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Speaker 1: I'm Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 2: I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat.

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Speaker 3: Hey, you're looking for two dumbasses who breathe through their mouths.

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Speaker 3: You've come to the right place. It's Morning Combat everyone.

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Speaker 3: How are you doing.

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Speaker 2: Hi?

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Speaker 3: I'm nearly one half of your hosting duo. I joined

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Speaker 3: you from the capital of Astatus Niedos right here in Washington, DC.

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Speaker 3: My name is Luke Thomas, as you can see on

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Speaker 3: the lower third there, joined by my friend who is

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Speaker 3: uh Well, ladies and gentlemen, I regret to inform you

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Speaker 3: he's dying. Listen for once. You're the sickly one. It's

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Speaker 3: Brian Campbell. Hi, sickly one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. You ever wake up with like a hangover when

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Speaker 2: and then it doesn't go away for a day and

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Speaker 2: a half and you're nauseous and you have a weird headache.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's life, right, you see.

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you I've sorted.

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Speaker 3: I started just putting my daughter to bed and then

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Speaker 2: Good like seven pm every night.

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Speaker 1: Asleep until like nine, nine thirty.

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Speaker 3: Or or or is that well you know mee, as

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Speaker 2: I read that's a standard off camera Luke Thomas question

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Speaker 2: right there. To be fair, I was just, you know,

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Speaker 3: Yes, no, I read. I'm reading Mike Prada's book called

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Speaker 3: spaced Out. It's pretty cool, actually soot. He's a he

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Speaker 1: So I just started it. But it's pretty great. It's

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Speaker 1: Are you do you?

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Speaker 3: Are you aware of what you have? What does BC

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Speaker 3: have in terms of your communicable disease besides chlmitia and goanrhea.

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Speaker 2: Just just nausea and an extreme headache, Luke. So it's nothing,

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Speaker 2: all right. It's the change in weather. I gotta, I gotta,

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Speaker 2: I did it very similar to my comedic attack opposite

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Speaker 3: Like any good partner. You live to break my heart

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Speaker 3: to eighty five Fight Week. We're on the Wednesday portion

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Speaker 3: ready for Frankly BC. Yeah, this is the best UFC

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Speaker 2: And I'm going to tell you exactly why I skimmed

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Speaker 2: What was my response though to the group, it was like, shut.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, to your credit, to your credit, you did well. Also, Luke,

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Speaker 2: Some championship boxing featherweight title and interim title at Steak

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Speaker 2: do that? Like it into your audio only people here,

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Speaker 2: whether it was consensual or not, to be fair.

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Speaker 2: What does this fight become afa'stication, Luke.

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Speaker 3: very basic question, who has faster feet Ceil Gone by

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Speaker 1: Right, So they use different styles. But who's quicker, right.

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Speaker 1: As long as he can.

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Speaker 1: Which fight?

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Speaker 2: Indell, it wasn't. It wasn't just the It wasn't the quickness. Look,

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Speaker 3: Fair enough. I think that's a decent choice. But I'm

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Speaker 3: and then it just continues to descend from there. You

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Speaker 3: could make a case, BC, and again this is all debatable,

436
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Speaker 3: but you could make a case that the Cormier, the

437
00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:04,040
Speaker 3: second Cormier fight is his peak and he's been declining

438
00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,879
Speaker 3: ever since then. And so then when you add in

439
00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,119
Speaker 3: the three extra years off and the weight change and

440
00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,639
Speaker 3: everything else, this idea that he's just gonna march in

441
00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:14,520
Speaker 3: there and be the guy who beat Cormier UFC two

442
00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,720
Speaker 3: fourteen just seems deeply, deeply naive to me.

443
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Speaker 1: I wonder what you make of that, BC.

444
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, you know you did have remember

445
00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:27,000
Speaker 2: when DC said that John somewhat flat performance against OSP.

446
00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,720
Speaker 2: Whether that was flat or just you know, got to

447
00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:31,639
Speaker 2: a point where he was so respectful of the power

448
00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,480
Speaker 2: that OSP had. Maybe it was just look, let me

449
00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,280
Speaker 2: just shut down that power and I'll win in any

450
00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,160
Speaker 2: way I have to. But you know, you had people

451
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Speaker 2: saying Daniel Cormier was leading the charge, saying because of

452
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Speaker 2: the USADA, you know arrival there was that the first

453
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Speaker 2: time we saw John not on the on the gas,

454
00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,080
Speaker 2: on the juice there, and he was just a little

455
00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,600
Speaker 2: bit whatever. I mean. That marries into the idea of

456
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Speaker 2: did the division catch up with him? The speed of

457
00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,840
Speaker 2: these elite you know, competitors, and and maybe you know,

458
00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,000
Speaker 2: years of lack of motivation when you're on top. But

459
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Speaker 2: yet you know he got ready. DC a second time,

460
00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,480
Speaker 2: got rid of Gustus said, okay, who's left. Maybe that

461
00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:07,879
Speaker 2: all conspired and led to too safe of a performance against

462
00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,520
Speaker 2: both Rayis and Santos. But look, to some level, yes,

463
00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,480
Speaker 2: he is physically declining, and it's just natural. That's why

464
00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,919
Speaker 2: the move to heavyweight always made the most sense. I

465
00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,800
Speaker 2: thought sooner, but now you know, it's probably the perfect

466
00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,359
Speaker 2: time in that regard because of that perceived fountain of

467
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Speaker 2: youth opportunity of him, because this is the largest gap

468
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Speaker 2: between weight classes, and you can make it look like

469
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Speaker 2: once he moves up there that he's quick again and

470
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Speaker 2: young just by the difference in size in the matchups there.

471
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Speaker 2: But it's interesting, Looke, because again, if it was against

472
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Speaker 2: the slugger right now, I would have a lot more

473
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Speaker 2: confidence of the questions facing John from the physical change

474
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Speaker 2: and the three year layoff. I would think that he

475
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Speaker 2: can get himself in the shape he needs and the

476
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,359
Speaker 2: cardio won't be a problem. But it's just a different

477
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,040
Speaker 2: matchup against a different type of fighter in Cyril Gone,

478
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Speaker 2: and I think the questions that he has to answer

479
00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,600
Speaker 2: now are completely different. I'm not afraid of this matchup

480
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 2: that John's gonna gas out or get stopped. I am

481
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 2: afraid for him with the three years off mixed with

482
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Speaker 2: the extra muscle, will do to his timing. And if

483
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,040
Speaker 2: he's in there with a guy that you don't necessarily

484
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,760
Speaker 2: want to play chess with in Cyril Gone, it's like,

485
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,639
Speaker 2: how much can he risk falling down on the scorecards

486
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 2: early if that's the way the fight goes. These are

487
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 2: the questions, because Luke the idea of him persevering through

488
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,440
Speaker 2: whatever challenges are in front of him. It's John Jones.

489
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:26,920
Speaker 2: He's gonna find a way to get to that other

490
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,600
Speaker 2: side and give you a great performance. I'm not afraid

491
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Speaker 2: he's gonna get stopped here. I am afraid that by

492
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Speaker 2: the time he figures Cyril gone out, it will be

493
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,200
Speaker 2: a little bit too late. And I think that's what

494
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,560
Speaker 2: makes this matchup different. And maybe you can marry that

495
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 2: with what you're saying that it has been a slow,

496
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 2: steady decline. Other factors are a part of it. But

497
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,639
Speaker 2: how much can John be teflon, both in terms of

498
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Speaker 2: the reputation and the fact that he's able to dodge

499
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 2: incidents that would derail many people's careers, either through the

500
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Speaker 2: penalty and punishment or just through the mental tax and

501
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 2: what it does, Luke, he's been tef on through it

502
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,680
Speaker 2: all to keep this basically perfect record. At some point

503
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 2: he's got to get the wrong end of it, or

504
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 2: get a bad cut earlier, or just have a fight

505
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,119
Speaker 2: where he comes in and we're asking too much of

506
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 2: him after three years and not too much again where

507
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 2: he's gonna get stopped. But what about we're asking a

508
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,120
Speaker 2: little too much where you only have twenty five minutes

509
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,399
Speaker 2: in there to figure this out. There's a lot that

510
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 2: John's got to be in this fight against Gone, Luke,

511
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 2: you gotta put respect on that side. That's that part

512
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 2: of the challenge here, because it's Cyril Gone and he's

513
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,400
Speaker 2: different than any other heavyweight that's out there.

514
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's certainly no doubt about that. And again, I

515
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,440
Speaker 3: just want to encourage folks, if you have the time,

516
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,920
Speaker 3: go back to the Cormier fight, the rematch, and then

517
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 3: watch the subsequent ones and you can see from in

518
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 3: my judgment you might disagree, you can see from performance

519
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:44,920
Speaker 3: to performance a slight decline over time in terms of readiness,

520
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 3: in terms of power, in terms of again, and that's

521
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 3: in the RAS fight. The fourth and fifth round when

522
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 3: he came all was pretty amazing. Also, folks, forget he

523
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 3: got rocked at the beginning of the fourth and then

524
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 3: still storm back and took it. In my judgment, so

525
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 3: like he's an all time gamer when it comes to

526
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Speaker 3: being a competitor.

527
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Speaker 1: Now, Cyril Gone.

528
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Speaker 3: Was asked about the wrestling of John Jones and how

529
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Speaker 3: he's gonna have an answer for it. We actually have

530
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 3: a clip. Let's hear it p see and then I

531
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Speaker 3: want to watch.

532
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 2: You set up who he's talking to. Look, can we

533
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,199
Speaker 2: give a little shine on check or now?

534
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 3: Yes, he's talking to our CBS Sports, his own Shaquille Marjory.

535
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 3: And of course he's asked like, what are you gonna

536
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 3: do about John Jones is wrestling in a sort of

537
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,400
Speaker 3: more general way. You actually gave an interesting answer. Let's

538
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 3: hear it and then react to it.

539
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 4: Why will John Jones fail wrestling Cyril? Where Francis and

540
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 4: gan Who found success?

541
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Speaker 5: Because this is the kind of the approach in the

542
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 5: fight and during Francis and Gano, I did really bad.

543
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 5: I was really not where. I was really not focus

544
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 5: on this and it took two opportunities. And every people

545
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 5: talk about the wrestling gain, but I say, when he

546
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 5: took the opportunities, he just uses sporer. But you don't

547
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 5: try to make me, you don't try to punch me,

548
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 5: you don't try.

549
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 1: To submit me.

550
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 5: Just just a bad power. So we spend a lot

551
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 5: of time on the grand game, and he wasn't the

552
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 5: top because of the power. It was but not easy.

553
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 5: He's a strong guy and he's a good westler. A

554
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 5: lot of people disrespect that the rest in game references.

555
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,880
Speaker 5: But you learn a lot at first reason my quach

556
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 5: or a few years with so many spurring. So anyway,

557
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 5: so tomorrow I'm gonna be really aware about the west

558
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 5: of jun John. So maybe at this point yet.

559
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Speaker 1: You see what do you think?

560
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 3: I mean, you know you can say what you say.

561
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 2: It's a little excusey right it is? I mean to me,

562
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 2: this is kind of in line with that quote we

563
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 2: talked about on the pregame preview or was it wherever

564
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 2: we said it where Francis I'm sorry, Cyril gave that

565
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 2: interview and he basically said, you know, I don't train

566
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 2: between fights, and blah blah blah, And we're starting to go, wait, like,

567
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 2: is there a commitment? Is yere? Is there a focus issue?

568
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 2: I think that incident, maybe even mixed with our intern

569
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 2: pretation of here is a little bit smoking mirrors. I mean,

570
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 2: do you believe that this guy's all in physically? Yes?

571
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,239
Speaker 2: Do you believe that this guy has the ability to

572
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 2: add in and fill in the missing holes in his game?

573
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 2: I do? And I think because of the nature of

574
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 2: the stylistic matchup of the Tayitu, I vasa fight for

575
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 2: him where it was just a striking match. We don't

576
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Speaker 2: actually know how much he has you know, grown in

577
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 2: the in the nearly two year and a half since

578
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Speaker 2: the Francis fight. I mean, how much could we expect

579
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 2: him That was what January of twenty two, so a

580
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 2: little bit over a year. How much can we expect

581
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 2: him to have to have grown? I mean, if you

582
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 2: watch closely the embedded in the in the uh, you

583
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: know countdown, there's not a ton of grappling and wrestling

584
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 2: footage in there. You know, him doing some standing grappling.

585
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,640
Speaker 2: They're not going to show you the deepest parts there.

586
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 2: John's going to be a better wrestler than Francis, yes,

587
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 2: but you know there's that great potential that it's going

588
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 2: to be Yes, there's great potential that a lot of

589
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 2: this fight will be John trying to take him down

590
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 2: and wear him out. But we have to expect him

591
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 2: to have grown evolved. He basically said in that interview

592
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 2: right there that the Francis lost was a wake up call.

593
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 2: It's like he didn't even know what he needed to

594
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: know until Francis was kind of taking him down with

595
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 2: these dude, I just think, like, is a young guy

596
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 2: in his prime who already has other worldly skills. He's

597
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot better in this fight than the

598
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 2: footage that we've seen. But what is that? But even

599
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 2: if he is Luke, what does that actually mean? Can

600
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 2: John get consistent top position and turned it into offense

601
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 2: in your eyes in this matchup consistently?

602
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 3: I am skeptical he can consistently get it? Which is

603
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 3: gonna say he can't? I mean, you know, again, we're

604
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 3: just dealing with so many unknowns here or just required

605
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 3: to make these guesses with information we just can't possibly have.

606
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 3: And I hope the audience, I know they feel the same.

607
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 3: We feel the same too, like it's just a lot

608
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 3: of real It's a fight prediction, fight prognostication, a lot

609
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 3: of it as you're.

610
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: Dealing with a series of assumptions that may or may

611
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: not be true.

612
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 3: That is especially true in this case. But b see,

613
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 3: I the thing I go back to with the with

614
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 3: the wrestling is, you know, how is John Jones going

615
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 3: to get it the doubles against the fence? He could,

616
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 3: but I feel like Cyril Gon's probably gonna have some

617
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 3: good answers for that. It's gonna be an open space.

618
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 3: I think Morphy catches it, initiates it. And that's the

619
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 3: other part too, Like he was Cyril Gon was body

620
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 3: kicking Francis to an extent in their fight, and and

621
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 3: God was getting caught with it like the Cyrio's catching

622
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 3: the kicks and then dumping him at times, or he

623
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,199
Speaker 3: was like overrunning position, or he was like trying to

624
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 3: really bomb on him with punches and Cyril paid for

625
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 3: it as a consequence. I think if he's a little

626
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 3: bit more stick and move on this one and follows

627
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 3: a little bit more of the Rayes game plan, that

628
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 3: is something that is quite doable, quite realistic to an extent. Obviously,

629
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 3: they're different fighters, different realities, but I just feel like

630
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 3: if you're making John turn all the time and making

631
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 3: a move and you're quicker, and you just watch how

632
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 3: Dominic Reyes did that. He was popping John in between

633
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 3: movements all the time, all the time, and God is

634
00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 3: much better at that than Reyes. That being said, John's

635
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 3: going to tailor his attacks accordingly, and I do think

636
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 3: if he gets him down, I think the scrambling ability

637
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 3: of God, like can God defend the takedown? I feel

638
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 3: like he probably can defend it, at least reasonably well,

639
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 3: can he get up off the bottom that I have

640
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,360
Speaker 3: my doubts about. I really struggle to see that as

641
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 3: a realistic thing. If John is actually able to flatly

642
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 3: put him to his rear end that I just don't

643
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 3: see him out scrambling.

644
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: John.

645
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's gonna be the key. The key is to

646
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 2: stop the takedown before it happens. It's this could be

647
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 2: an entirely different fight if that happens. But obviously that's

648
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 2: an if. What if that doesn't happen? Yeah, so interesting

649
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: on so many different levels here, Luke, I want to

650
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 2: ask you a couple of the more John Jones sort

651
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 2: of vanity questions. Again, from this John's been, you know,

652
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 2: largely off the radar for the most part, random tweets

653
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: here and there throughout these three years off, but we

654
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 2: don't get a lot of look at him. Now we

655
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 2: have these condensed looks. Some people are kind of clowning

656
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: him on the internet because he built together this gang

657
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: of UFC experienced three hundred pounds heavyweights to spar with,

658
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 2: from Maurice Green to You're going to Castro, Walt Harris

659
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 2: might forget anybody else in there, Luke, But then you

660
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 2: get a lot of people climbing the Maurice screen.

661
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: You're going to castro wal Harris.

662
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, these are the guys you're you're using to mimic

663
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: or prepare you for a heavyweight that there's no other heavyweight. Like,

664
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 2: how do you react to that part of it? Luke?

665
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm of two minds, BC. I'm on an

666
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 3: MMA mind and a boxing mind. On the one hand,

667
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 3: if I was picking sparring partners, I probably would not

668
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 3: have picked them.

669
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: Maybe some of them.

670
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 3: I think Wal Harris has had a pretty good career,

671
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 3: and if some of the guys have some of the

672
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 3: same leverages as gone there might be some advantages to that,

673
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 3: for like certain grappling positions, certainly, But you know you,

674
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 3: you know this are not if you were picking sparring

675
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 3: partners and you're trying to get ones that could really

676
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 3: get you ready for God, you would not pick these gentlemen,

677
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 3: whatever else you want to say about their careers. They're

678
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 3: just very different body types most likely certainly different movement

679
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 3: different They just can't mimic him realistically, I don't think.

680
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 3: On the other hand, BC, you and I know from boxing,

681
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 3: dude Canelo doesn't bring in world class you know, ranked

682
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 3: number five in his division for sparring partners, he brings

683
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 3: in guys well below his level because he's just trying

684
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 3: to fine tune certain things. So I understand that, like,

685
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 3: did they pick optimal sparing partners?

686
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: Clearly not? Clearly not.

687
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 3: But is that going to be the difference between winning

688
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 3: and losing for a fighter this experienced who already has

689
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 3: this many skills and just as about you know, it's

690
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 3: a big return, but it is about five tuning to

691
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 3: a degree? Do you think it's the boxing model makes

692
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 3: more sense we see or more the MMA model for

693
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 3: I mean.

694
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 2: It's part of what Canelo's doing a lot of other

695
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 2: fighters do it. They get very talented fighters from smaller

696
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: weight classes to try to deal let's say, specifically with

697
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 2: the speed and movement. I don't know, you know it

698
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 2: just from the surface, it looks like these are better

699
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 2: sparring apartments for again, different kinds of matchups, like a

700
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 2: stipe for example. But you know, it's all going to

701
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:52,959
Speaker 2: see in how it plays out. I just wondered if

702
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: there was anything too, you know, people trying to clown

703
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 2: these journeyman level heavyweights as like, oh that's your guy, Well,

704
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 2: those are your guys. Well, you know, I don't remember

705
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 2: brock Lesner having a ton of a ton of you know,

706
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 2: huge yeah he had.

707
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: He had Cole Conrad for a while though, right.

708
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 2: He hard those wrestlers. Yeah, yeah, he had some of

709
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 2: that going on. But so look, the other sort of

710
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 2: vain thing is what do we make of John's body here,

711
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 2: because it's going to be a big part of him

712
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 2: going from two oh five up to whatever he's going

713
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 2: to come in. He looks very heavy, but he didn't

714
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: look overly caught or let's be let's just let's just

715
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 2: say it. He didn't look like, oh shit, that guy

716
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 2: is on the good gear. He doesn't look like that

717
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: per se. How do you sort of look to the

718
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 2: future and try to say how functional is the bulk

719
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 2: that he's wearing right now? How does he look to you?

720
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 3: So that is just really the optimal question. It's just

721
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 3: I mean, I just don't want this is not a

722
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 3: bodybuilding contest, and so well, he doesn't look like super

723
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 3: you know, he doesn't look like alisair overin fighting Brock, right,

724
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 3: that's not what he looks like. So on the one hand,

725
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 3: I get some of the concern. On the other hand,

726
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 3: I mean here's where I'm just gonna have to make

727
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 3: an educated guess. Really, I'm just gonna have to make

728
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 3: an educated guess. He's never had five around cardio problems.

729
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 3: In fact, you know, you look the first Gustasen fight

730
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 3: or the or the Rays fight. We we're here to

731
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 3: his two best rounds in both those fights. It's rounds

732
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 3: four and five, you know, So like he's just a

733
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 3: gamer late and I wouldn't want to deny him that

734
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 3: in this prognostication. At the same and also this is

735
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 3: the part I want to be clear about as well.

736
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 3: The guy he did to help him bulk is Stan Efferting.

737
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 3: Stan Eferding is known as the Rhino. He's like this

738
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 3: huge he's on all the gear, but he's a super

739
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 3: science guy on top of it. And you know, when

740
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 3: Stan Efferding is guiding your weight gain along with all

741
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 3: of your other coaches, I feel like it's probably pretty functional.

742
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:32,239
Speaker 1: I feel like it is.

743
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 3: But at the same time, functional is not the same

744
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 3: as like advantage.

745
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: Functional is not the.

746
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 3: Same as like you're gonna be able to lord this

747
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 3: over a guy like.

748
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: Cyril.

749
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 3: And then, more to the point, even if I grant

750
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 3: that he is a competitor going to be really dialed

751
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 3: in for this particular contest. I really don't know how

752
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 3: that cardial is going to look in the fourth and

753
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 3: fifth round, especially if he's getting stabbed to the body

754
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 3: with anything, if he's getting hit, and then he has

755
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 3: to constantly turn and follow, Like I I don't know.

756
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 3: I think again, I think it will benefit him when

757
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 3: they lock up. When they lock up, that's when all

758
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 3: the great stuff's gonna happen. But at distance, I'm just

759
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 3: skeptical that's going to serve his interests. I think he

760
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 3: was expecting, you know, when he got to heavyweight. You know,

761
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 3: Steve is a bit of a mover and whatnot, but

762
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 3: can wrestle Francis. He I don't think he was gonna

763
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 3: want to strike with Francis. So he really wanted to

764
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,719
Speaker 3: be as heavy as he could still be athletic. But

765
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 3: certainly a premium on bulk, right, that's what he wanted.

766
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: Cyril.

767
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 3: We should note does not put a premium on bulk.

768
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 3: He doesn't need to.

769
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: He's natural. He's more of a tight end.

770
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 3: John's trying to turn into Arthur Jones, which is more

771
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 3: of aligneman, and there's that's gonna confer some benefits, but

772
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna have some short changing effects as well.

773
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair. I mean, there's just so many cool

774
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 2: unknowns to sort of look at regarding both of them.

775
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 2: In that regard Luke, sometimes you fight this close with

776
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 2: odds of this close. Man, you just got to sit

777
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 2: down and watch it. But you know, they make you,

778
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 2: They pay you a lot of money for picks. So

779
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 2: that's why you see.

780
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 3: Has he has he done any interviews with direct media

781
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 3: MMA media outlets this week?

782
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 2: I don't think so. John Joe Well, who was that

783
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 2: first podcast that he did about a week ago that

784
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 2: was getting a lot of head So one.

785
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 3: Of them was a French outlet, but it had like

786
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 3: one and a half million subs. I think it was

787
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 3: just a sports channel that he talked to in France.

788
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 3: So that's one thing that he did, the complex thing

789
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 3: which we're gonna talk about in just a second. And oh,

790
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 3: he did speak to Jimmy Smith of Unlocking the Cage

791
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 3: on Sirius XM, so he did speak to them, So

792
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 3: I guess that's an MMA direct outlet he spoke to.

793
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: But in general.

794
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 2: I wouldn't expect so he this isn't a full Rousey

795
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 2: against Amanda Newness type of shut off of the media,

796
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 2: But you had to expect it would be very controlled.

797
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 2: John's not going to be wanting to be with people

798
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 2: that are going to dig up all of his past again,

799
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 2: you know, the outside the cage missteps and side steps.

800
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 2: I mean, he needs to keep I mean, look, he's

801
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 2: somebody that that thrives better on keeping positivity. I mean, look,

802
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 2: when you're a star and at that level, we criticized

803
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 2: Ronda heavily. What does a starfighter oh the media ahead

804
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 2: of a fight?

805
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 3: They owe individual outlets nothing, right, so peace by piece

806
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 3: do they owe you?

807
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,919
Speaker 1: Do they owe you? Do they owe you? They don't

808
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:11,720
Speaker 1: owe you anything.

809
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 3: In fact, you know, I think even fight week they

810
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 3: don't have they should not be we don't should not

811
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 3: view it as they owe the media. Even in that circumstance. However,

812
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 3: I think that if they want to promote.

813
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: Their fight, they should talk to the media. Right, That's

814
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: a big one.

815
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 3: There might be contractual obligations that make them and they

816
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 3: don't have to talk to like you or me or

817
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 3: Ariel or Bread or whoever.

818
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: They want to talk to. They can talk to any

819
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: who when they want.

820
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 3: But I do feel like if they care at all

821
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 3: about money, and John has made issues about making enough

822
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 3: money and everything else, that there has to be some

823
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 3: level of media integration during fight week. But but I

824
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 3: really am hesitant to say they owe us.

825
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like the at the very least, you

826
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 2: owe the sort of whether they're right, whether they're so,

827
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 2: whether they're contractually obligated or not. I feel like you

828
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 2: owe the big media scrum on Wednesday, the press conference obviously, uh,

829
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 2: the interview with the key rights soldiers like you mentioned,

830
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 2: so that's ESPN and TSENT or you know whatever whatever

831
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 2: that you deem that. And then what I like is

832
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: that John did give what it seems to be really

833
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 2: good access to UFC cameras in the build, so we

834
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 2: are getting this this late sort of close up. I

835
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 2: don't think you're you're, you know, required anymore from that,

836
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 2: but what if we like, you know, there was rousing against.

837
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 3: Even even his even when he shot on me at

838
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 3: the two fourteen press or like he didn't. I mean,

839
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 3: it was shitty the way he handled it, and I

840
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 3: would have preferred it went a different way, But like, honestly,

841
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 3: does he owe me that?

842
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 2: No, he isn't technically anybody, but I don't know. I

843
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 2: guess I'm talking more in a romanticized nature, like as

844
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 2: a sportsman, what do you owe this opportunity? You know,

845
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,439
Speaker 2: it's like Ronda didn't do it, and we understood why

846
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 2: Brock did almost none at two hundred and again, you

847
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 2: understand that's Brock. You know, he doesn't like this. He

848
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: doesn't he doesn't want to be part of this. But

849
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 2: I always feel like, as long as you do those

850
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 2: core minimums, you've fulfilled your requirement.

851
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, and he's done some of the extra

852
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 3: ones too. Now, speaking of which, we see he did

853
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 3: go sneaker shopping with Complex. Now, BC, we're gonna just

854
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 3: a second here, we're gonna roll both the shoes he got.

855
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 3: He got three pairs of shoes, and what he paid

856
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 3: for them. I want you when they come up ready

857
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 3: on the screen. Here's here's the BC special. When they

858
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 3: come up on screen within one second of it being up,

859
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 3: give me a grade. Give me a grade and it

860
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 3: can be from one to five or ABC to.

861
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 2: The value of the price, or how cool the.

862
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 3: Sneaker is, how cool the sneaker is.

863
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 2: Okay, that's one out of five.

864
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: We should put a disclaimer to the audience.

865
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 3: We wouldn't know cool if it whipped its hog out

866
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 3: and slapped us in the face with it.

867
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: But but we're gonna try.

868
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 3: All right, all right, Mikey, here we go. You gotta

869
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 3: give me almost an instant grade on these.

870
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, all right, Here we go.

871
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 2: One out of five.

872
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: Okay, that's the uh.

873
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 2: Here we go, four out of five? You know what

874
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 2: I mean. I like colors, Luke. Okay, I like craziness

875
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: a little bit.

876
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,439
Speaker 1: You're an idiot, Okay, uh.

877
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: Five out of five, Luke, I'd wear that. Five, Yeah,

878
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 2: I would. I'd wear that right the hell now, Okay,

879
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 2: give me fifteen hun for it. No, I mean I'd

880
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 2: go on food truck diaries and get these as the

881
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: partying gift at the end, Luke. I wouldn't pay for these,

882
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 2: but I'd get them and I'd wear them. Okay, because

883
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 2: that looks pretty damn cool. Those last, the last one

884
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 2: at least. Okay, you know, I like I got an

885
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 2: orange car, Luke. I like weird things. Okay, you know.

886
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 3: That the answer for all three was zero. I don't

887
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 3: know if you know how, but that's the correct answer.

888
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 3: Those are zeros in all three. They are expensive shoes. Now,

889
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 3: I know what folks are gonna say. I know exactly

890
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 3: what folks are gonna say. They're like, Luke, you if

891
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 3: you were if those are zeros, you wear a negative

892
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 3: eight billion, which is true. I do, but I have

893
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 3: to cause my feet a fucked up. If they weren't,

894
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 3: I would wear I would wear Jordan's.

895
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: But I can't because there you go.

896
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 3: All right, you see, let's go to the co main event.

897
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 3: Here we move on topic number two. Valentina Chefschenko will

898
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 3: defend or try to defend anyway, her UFC flyweight title

899
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 3: against Alexa Grosso BC. Of everyone on the main card,

900
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 3: she's not the biggest favorite. She's the second biggest because

901
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 3: of course bon nickels on his car. We'll talk about

902
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 3: him in a minute. But the odds BC minus six

903
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 3: twenty five for Valentina shif Chenco a whopping plus four

904
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 3: fifty four Alexa Grasso BC Grosso.

905
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: Excuse me, excuse me? BC?

906
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 3: Why Grasso? Like when I where am I from? Fucking Minnesota?

907
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 3: All right, here we go. Why are the odds so

908
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 3: wide against Grosso given she's on the best run of

909
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 3: her career.

910
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's one all four fight since returning to this division.

911
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 2: But to answer your question, the reason why, even given

912
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 2: the recent narrative surrounding Valentina and whether or not the

913
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: rest of this division is catching up to her at

914
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 2: age thirty four, styles make fights stylistically the things that

915
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 2: Alexa Grosso does very well, and she is a very

916
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 2: tough fighter with a great more and in an outstanding

917
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 2: boxing game, you know, Valentina just does better or just

918
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 2: or can neutralize it better. I mean, is there a

919
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 2: better counter striker in terms of punching on the feet

920
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 2: and Valentina, you know, men or women, luke her ability

921
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 2: to turn the distance and the striking game into a

922
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 2: science and hit and not get hit has largely been

923
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: remarkable and has only been you know, doubled down upon

924
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: it at her natural weight here her real weight of

925
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 2: one twenty five. To the questions of whether age, the

926
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 2: rest of the division and all that is caught up,

927
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: you know, I think it has. I think it has

928
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 2: to a small degree. But this is the perfect matchup

929
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 2: for Valentina to remind us exactly how great she is.

930
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 2: I do not I'll put respect on Grosso's name. I

931
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 2: don't think she's in the category of the Jessica Eyes,

932
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 2: and even to another degree that the Trucanians and the

933
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 2: Lauren Murphy's, who you know, good enough to get to

934
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 2: this dance, not equipped to upset Valentina and not equiped

935
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: to upset the apple cart. There right in in Jennifer

936
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 2: Mayah and Tyler Santos, you had fighters with specific strengths

937
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 2: on the ground game, both big for the way class,

938
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 2: tough customers. Those expose some level of humanity to Chevchenko's game.

939
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 2: But no matter how you did have the Santos fight scored,

940
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 2: she still had big moments, still showed a you know,

941
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 2: the champion's heart that you need. Maybe I criticized to

942
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 2: a slight degree some of the urgency in certain situations,

943
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 2: it's clear, you know, clears, It's clear to me she

944
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 2: believes she was going to win that, and she did,

945
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 2: whether you look at that as lucky or not. But

946
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 2: this matchup just offers her too many ways to remind

947
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 2: us again why she's here. And look, I don't want

948
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 2: to ever let that go unsaid that you know, whether

949
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 2: Valentina extends this tremendous record setting title reign here at

950
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 2: one twenty five to an eighth title defense here she

951
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 2: already has the record for females and can move within

952
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 2: three with the victory of Demetrius Johnson, even at thirty four.

953
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 2: She said it to me in my interview with her,

954
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 2: which she can check out on YouTube or you can

955
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 2: watch any of the of her other ones. I mean, Luke,

956
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 2: she's just not done being a student of this game,

957
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 2: not done giving one hundred and twenty five percent in

958
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 2: every second of every day she lives the lifestyle, she

959
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 2: represents martial arts as to the fullest that she can.

960
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 2: I'm not saying she's perfect as a fighter or a human.

961
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 2: I don't actually know her that well, Luke, but I'll

962
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 2: say this as the idea of a champion not resting

963
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 2: on your laurels, always getting better or always trying to

964
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 2: improve yourself like intangibly, she's, you know, a twenty five

965
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 2: out of a ten. I think she's gonna come back

966
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 2: and remind us a lot. And that doesn't mean Grosso

967
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 2: won't be hard nosed and won't push it. But where

968
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:40,439
Speaker 2: are you going to imagine Grosso putting Valentina in tough

969
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 2: situations that she can't get out of. I think that's

970
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:43,439
Speaker 2: the real question right now.

971
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 1: Yeah.

972
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 3: I mean, here's one of the things about Valentina Chevchenko

973
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 3: at this weight class that you just it's true at

974
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 3: one thirty five to an extent as well. We've seen

975
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 3: it there all less so, but definitely true at one

976
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 3: twenty five. Dude, she's physical for the weight class. She's physical.

977
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 3: What do I mean by that? She is wrong?

978
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 1: Right?

979
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 3: If you lock up with her. You've seen all of

980
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 3: her body lock takedowns. She got to just get on Drodge.

981
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 3: Remember she got five in the first round, two in

982
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 3: the second, and she was able to just you know,

983
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 3: it's technique, yes, and it's timing yes, but it's a

984
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 3: lot of muscle and physicality too, and she's got that.

985
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 3: So there's that she's sturdy, she's hard to hurt, right,

986
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,439
Speaker 3: even if you land on her, she tends to roll

987
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 3: with it, and she just has a certain physical durability.

988
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 3: By someone who's been a Cormier one time made a

989
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 3: point to me, he's like one of the things that

990
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 3: holds back MMA fighters when they go up against, you know,

991
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 3: guys who are more credential. It's not just that this

992
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 3: guy's been you know, competing at a different sport and

993
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 3: that gives him a lot of composite knowledge to take

994
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 3: over to Mma. It's that some of these guys have

995
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 3: been lifelong athletes. You know, Ronda Roussi was a lifelong athlete. No,

996
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 3: she crumbled in the end, but you know she had

997
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 3: a great run by virtue of that. Daniel Cormier was

998
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 3: a lifelong athlete from the word go age three to four.

999
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 3: They've been out there exercising, competing, training and then getting

1000
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 3: better and better and better. Chef Chenko is that her

1001
00:43:55,719 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 3: life is indistinguishable from a life I should say, you couldn't.

1002
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 3: She wouldn't know her life if fitness, training, hard knows living,

1003
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 3: not drinking, eating right, all those things.

1004
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: Those are daily.

1005
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 3: Habits for her, aside from the level of skill she's

1006
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 3: accumulated over time. And so the big question you just

1007
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 3: have to ask yourself about Grosso is you know, is

1008
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 3: she talented? Yes, of course she is. Did she earn

1009
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 3: this opportunity, no doubt about it. This is a worthy

1010
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 3: fighter who is deserving of respect and this opportunity. But

1011
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 3: the only question that matters is what does she have

1012
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 3: that she can either from a skill standpoint or a

1013
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 3: physical standpoint. Lord Over Valentina Chevchenko and I just don't

1014
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 3: know what that would be BC.

1015
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: I just don't know.

1016
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's get some Valentina sound in here.

1017
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 2: I forgot that we had this, Luke. First, let's hear

1018
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 2: from Valentina asking the question I asked about her commitment

1019
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,439
Speaker 2: and how she stays motivated, because, to be fair, even

1020
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 2: a GSP and John Jones at the end of the ring,

1021
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 2: maybe it's not a lack of motivation, but sometimes a

1022
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 2: champion can get too safe trying to protect. That doesn't

1023
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 2: seem to be the case of Valentina, although maybe you

1024
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 2: can argue that in the Tayla fight. But let's hear

1025
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:09,720
Speaker 2: how Valentina talks about this evolution as a mixed martial artist. Now, Valentino,

1026
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 2: do you feel like you're still adding things to your game,

1027
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 2: like specifically, what what are you working on in Tokyo

1028
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 2: that you feel like you're continuing adding to your well

1029
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 2: rounded game.

1030
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 6: Always, always there is something that for example, even some

1031
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 6: things that I worked before but then kind of like

1032
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 6: it's saying stay away and now it's returning. So always

1033
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 6: it's something. And yeah, it's kind of like while you're

1034
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 6: in your progress moving forward, it's good because once you

1035
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 6: are stopped and no progress at all. Then I think

1036
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 6: it's kind of like time to die.

1037
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, look like lifelong, lifelong martial artists.

1038
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 2: But like, let's be clear about the lifestyle she actually lives.

1039
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 2: It's her, her sister Antonina, their coach Pop who's been

1040
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 2: there since the beginning, and they just like globe trot

1041
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 2: and travel the world. Remember the last fight, it was

1042
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: living in a boat, you know, in the Puget Sound

1043
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 2: outside of Seattle, going to different gyms. This time around,

1044
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 2: they brought their camp to Tokyo, and I think if

1045
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 2: you watch the countdown, you saw the detail what that

1046
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 2: meant to her, and so it's it is just constantly

1047
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 2: adding here and here. But I think your true question,

1048
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 2: yes before he threw to the clip, is what can

1049
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 2: Grosso do differently? What can she add to her boxing

1050
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 2: so that this isn't just again not trying to be rude,

1051
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 2: but another Jessica I another Laura Murphy Chucagian thrown to

1052
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 2: the lion with no chance. Let's hear from Valentina herself

1053
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,879
Speaker 2: on on what her opponent brings to the game here.

1054
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 2: Do you feel the challenge that she brings is unique

1055
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 2: to anyone you fought up to this point at this

1056
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 2: way class, I do.

1057
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 6: Feel it's unique because every single point in what I

1058
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 6: thought it was unique. And Alexa she has her style,

1059
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 6: fighting style, she has her strange and the key is

1060
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 6: to find the most important, to find the key to

1061
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 6: be in the fighter, right, Alexa, she's a complete fighter,

1062
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 6: MMA fighter definitely. Her background is more as striking, but

1063
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 6: on this level of competition, Uh, it's it's you just

1064
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 6: cannot be just striker or wrestler.

1065
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 7: It's like every since that's why.

1066
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's about complete game.

1067
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 7: It's all about the yeah like MMA.

1068
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 2: Sometimes. Look, we see Valentina almost pick out Tyrone. Will

1069
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 2: used to do this in this title ring, pick out

1070
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 2: the key skill of their opponent and then prove a

1071
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 2: point and beat them at that. Could you see Valentina

1072
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 2: being as aggressive as a boxer than we've seen her

1073
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 2: in a while on this matchup or Hey, if the

1074
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: wrestling works, go after it.

1075
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: That part I'm not so sure about.

1076
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 3: So on the feet, you know, Grasso will move a lot,

1077
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 3: and she fades a lot, and she'll box a lot.

1078
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 3: I just don't see Valentina biting on a lot of

1079
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 3: those fans, and I see her counter striking in between strikes.

1080
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 3: Her timing is impeccable, and her she's got I think

1081
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 3: a little bit more of a kicking game than Grosso does.

1082
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:11,919
Speaker 3: It's in terms of a dangerous one. This in terms

1083
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 3: of a dangerous one. I think that's true. But I

1084
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 3: can justice see easily see her taking her to the ground,

1085
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 3: controlling her, submitting her, like really mixing it up, taking

1086
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 3: it away from her. So I guess I guess she'll

1087
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,240
Speaker 3: have to see what kind of read she gets from Grosso.

1088
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 3: How much movement is she showing, how much is she

1089
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 3: able to land effectively over time? And if it's insufficient,

1090
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 3: I suspect you'll take it to the ground. But if

1091
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 3: it's just fine, I think she'll be happy to counterfeit

1092
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 3: the whole way through.

1093
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean, look, the odds are not giving

1094
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: Grosso much of a chance. So what do you do, Luke?

1095
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 2: What do you do? What are we asking of these contenders?

1096
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 2: I think she's better than the recent slight slate of opponents.

1097
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 2: You know, maybe even Tylostanto's included, who use some of

1098
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 2: her specific strengths to really challenge Valentina. But what do

1099
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,479
Speaker 2: you do if you're Grosso? When plan a doesn't work.

1100
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: I think you have to, man, I don't know. I

1101
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: don't know. See, here's the thing.

1102
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 3: If you're Aaron Blanchefield, it's different, right because now you're like, okay,

1103
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 3: go take her down and get her back. And now

1104
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 3: it's obviously easier said than done. But like, do you

1105
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 3: reasonably believe that Aaron could do that?

1106
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,439
Speaker 1: I do. I do believe she could do that enough

1107
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: to win.

1108
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 3: I don't know, but like that's a real game plan.

1109
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 3: Can you do that with Grosso? I'm I just I'm hesitant.

1110
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 3: I mean, dude, Fountain and ship Chenko's well rounded, sturdy defense.

1111
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 3: She doesn't get hit a lot. The time she's shown

1112
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 3: weaknesses have been largely on the ground in the Maya fight,

1113
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 3: Santo's fight, you know, stuff like that, and she still

1114
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 3: managed to persevere in the end. It's not like guys

1115
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 3: are or I should say, her opponents are getting the

1116
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 3: best of her on the feet very often or in

1117
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 3: sustained attacks, and that's Grosso's wheelhouse. No, you may like, well,

1118
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 3: what about her submitting Joe Anne Wood, But dude, that's

1119
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 3: I mean the level of physicality there, the difference, the balance,

1120
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 3: the timing that that's not a comparable opponent in.

1121
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 2: My no, it just isn't Luke. It just isn't. And and

1122
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 2: you know, if she gets this title defense, it would

1123
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 2: be eight, like I said, three away from the record

1124
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 2: if she ends up cleaning out these names in this

1125
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 2: division that are starting to make noise. And if you

1126
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 2: want her comments on Aaron Blanchfield, check out my interview.

1127
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 2: She was as dismissive as you could possibly be about

1128
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,439
Speaker 2: the young fighters. Uh, you know, mindset and belief said

1129
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 2: and all that coming into this. But uh, look, she

1130
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 2: has a chance here to you know, it's like, look,

1131
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 2: can she could she Let's say she just runs this

1132
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 2: course and then walks away, Like does she need to

1133
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 2: beat Amanda Newness to to to to have us to

1134
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 2: have a say here? And you know as the as

1135
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 2: the greatest female fighter in history. I mean, she's not

1136
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 2: there yet. I'll tell you that even though her resume,

1137
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 2: it may surprise you considering she's got you know, bandam

1138
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 2: weight wins over Juliana Peyinna Holly Holms, Sarah Kaufman to

1139
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 2: add into this run, She's had a f flyway.

1140
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 1: She's gonna be hard without that second belt.

1141
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 3: And I know what you can say obviously about the

1142
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 3: second belt of Amanda, but even Dennis a little something more.

1143
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean.

1144
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 2: She just got Cyborg to get this secon. I'm not

1145
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 2: taking that away from Amanda.

1146
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's such a big victory. You know,

1147
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 3: it's such a huge victory. So I don't know, but

1148
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 3: I'll say this, man, if you start beating the blanche

1149
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 3: Fields and then she beats the well, I guess, I

1150
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 3: guess Toution Swartz is gonna go to one fifteen, So

1151
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 3: that's kind of out.

1152
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 2: But beat Pharauh, beat Manan Pharaoh, beat Tyler Santos a

1153
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 2: second time, beat whoever comes out of that other group

1154
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 2: of younger fighters that's trying to make a move, you know,

1155
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 2: the King Casey O'Neills, that group of people, Macy Barber,

1156
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 2: if anyone gets hot. But if you get to that

1157
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 2: point where you beat DJ's record, man, and you haven't

1158
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 2: lost in this division's history, and you arguably beat Newness

1159
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 2: for the for the championship one division higher, and you've

1160
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 2: got some sick ass historically relevant wins, you know, and

1161
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 2: don't forget at at a Flyway. She you know, she

1162
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,919
Speaker 2: finished on Rodge with ease. She beat car Moush, who

1163
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 2: has a you know who certainly will go down as

1164
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 2: a good win on a resume. She's doing everything she

1165
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,879
Speaker 2: can to attack history. Luke okay and and I'll give

1166
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 2: her that credit, but didn't shock Mma catch up with

1167
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 2: her opponent here.

1168
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: He caught up with Lexa Grosso And we've talked about

1169
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 1: it before.

1170
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 3: It's a huge opportunity for Mexicano MM already they've taken

1171
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 3: advantage of it. You have two Mexican UFC champions for

1172
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,280
Speaker 3: the first time ever in Yahia Rodriguez who beat Josh Emmett,

1173
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 3: and of course in Brandon Marina who beat Devison. Figuredo

1174
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 3: Grosso is wanting to walk in their footsteps, and she

1175
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 3: talked about it with Shaquille Majory.

1176
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 4: Brandon was just as excited to see you and Yeah

1177
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 4: air fight, and Yay was just as excited to see

1178
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 4: Brandon and you win. How does it feel to have

1179
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 4: that support and sort of have their momentum guiding you

1180
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 4: into this fight?

1181
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 7: Well, it feels great to represent Mexico right now because

1182
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,720
Speaker 7: we're having a huge moment. We're also having the PI

1183
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 7: in Mexico City and I already I've been knowing them

1184
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 7: for so long, and it's great to see them achieving

1185
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 7: and having the belts right now. It's a big, big

1186
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 7: motivation for me, and I think Mexico is growing pretty good.

1187
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 7: We're always there, you know, to try to help each other.

1188
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 7: I've been knowing Brandon since he was like.

1189
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 8: A blue belt, I guess, so I've been able to

1190
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 8: watch them growing and them.

1191
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 7: To me too. So I don't know, it's just great

1192
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 7: that we're achieving great things. I think it's cool to

1193
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,479
Speaker 7: support others. I know how hard it.

1194
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 8: Is to have a training count, to do dieting, to

1195
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,399
Speaker 8: get in a cage, you know, I know how hard

1196
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 8: is that, and maybe all the fighters also know that too,

1197
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 8: And for Mexico especially, I know that it's super hard

1198
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,320
Speaker 8: to achieve a big league like the UFC or any

1199
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 8: other league internationals. So I think it's nice to support

1200
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 8: others that are climbing hard.

1201
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 1: Hey how about that English? That's pretty good?

1202
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 2: Huh yeah, yeah, yeah, not bad. She picked that up

1203
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 2: quick and turned that around and was doing you know,

1204
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 2: full interviews in English very early. But yeah, I mean,

1205
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 2: this is this is a there's a revolution in that country,

1206
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 2: and that Jim, you know, is a big part of

1207
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 2: it that her uncle is the head trainer, producing so

1208
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 2: many good fighters here. It's taking the you know that

1209
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:04,760
Speaker 2: we identify with the foundation there of the Mexican boxing style,

1210
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 2: and she's got you know, she's got some of the

1211
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 2: best hands Luke in the UFC. But you know, you're

1212
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 2: going to have to have that completely well rounded game

1213
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 2: or at least be so dominant in one discipline to

1214
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,240
Speaker 2: beat a champion like Chevchenko. And it takes nothing away

1215
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 2: from who Alexa Grosso is in the road she took

1216
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 2: to get here and finding her division that seems to

1217
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 2: be the right one for her physically, but she got

1218
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 2: an uphill battle and the odds represent that Luke will

1219
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 2: see what happens here. I'm just happy this division's fun.

1220
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,720
Speaker 2: I'm just happy that this fight could be something on Saturday,

1221
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,399
Speaker 2: could just be another Chefchenko clinic, but more contenders coming

1222
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:39,280
Speaker 2: around that corner.

1223
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 3: I'll say this too, lastly on the Mexican angle of it.

1224
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 3: If she were to beat Chefchenko, I mean, that's a

1225
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 3: monumental victory for itself. Oh yeah, but I mean to

1226
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 3: have three Mexican champions at the same time, and then

1227
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 3: for one of them to do it against this like Juggernaut,

1228
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,879
Speaker 3: this force in this division. I mean that would I mean,

1229
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 3: nothing would say Mexican May is here more than that.

1230
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 3: That would be ages because you know, because of all the.

1231
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: Three we have.

1232
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 3: Okay, so the three who were in title fights. Yeah,

1233
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 3: here Brandon and now Alexa. Who has the biggest uphill climb.

1234
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 3: It's Alexa by a million miles. Those guys are in

1235
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,280
Speaker 3: tough fights, but Jesus Christ, this one's a really tough one.

1236
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 3: She gets that done in the same year as other

1237
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 3: guys did, Man and they're off to the races for sure.

1238
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 2: Look, do you think quickly to close on Valentina? Do

1239
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 2: you think, because we just praised her as this, you know,

1240
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 2: all knowing champion who never stops working hard and lives

1241
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 2: the lifestyle, if she's introspective enough about how close the

1242
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 2: Tyler Santo's fight was, can she learn and grow and

1243
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 2: continue to round out her game to be as as

1244
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 2: elite as possible across the board? Alexa, no chef Chenko

1245
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 2: against Tyler because that you know. Look, we are coming

1246
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 2: into this with Yeah, she's a dominant champion, but some

1247
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 2: of the narratives do surround you know, So, I mean,

1248
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 2: what would you ask her to learn. Looking back on

1249
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 2: that Santo's fight.

1250
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 3: I would scrambling situation, getting a little bit a little

1251
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 3: more disciplined about position. Also, there are escapes to the

1252
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 3: body triangle.

1253
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: She should learn them.

1254
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 3: Her rear naked choke defense is actually pretty good from

1255
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 3: the back, but there's a lot more positional stuff she

1256
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 3: could do to both prevent getting there and then get

1257
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 3: out once you are, or at least make it unstable

1258
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 3: for the other person so that they have just a

1259
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 3: harder time stalling you out. Because it was like it

1260
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 3: wasn't like Valentine was getting beaten up from the back.

1261
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 3: She was just getting controlled. So how do you challenge

1262
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:29,399
Speaker 3: that control? I think that's a big one for her,

1263
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 3: Like when she's dictating the grappling terms, you know it's

1264
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 3: all downhill. When you can get someone who can get

1265
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 3: around that and then her back, you can see getting

1266
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 3: to the back and then escape from the back. That's

1267
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,919
Speaker 3: a bit of a weak point for her, but it's

1268
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 3: like grass the other person to take advantage of that.

1269
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 2: I don't know she's not, but great analysis there. Look,

1270
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 2: I appreciated that. And you know what, I would love Luke,

1271
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 2: because you know, Antonina the older sister just got her

1272
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 2: pilot's license. Imagine if you and I could take this

1273
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 2: show to levels that we literally never imagine, Like, imagine

1274
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 2: if this became a daily TV show and then we're like,

1275
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 2: you know what to go to these big events. I

1276
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 2: ain't flying coach, I didn't even flying business class anymore.

1277
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 2: I need the MK private jet and we'll paint our

1278
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 2: logo on the outside of it and it'll look like

1279
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 2: the Lex Express when Lex Luger took that bus across America, Luke,

1280
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 2: But then we hire Antonina as our as our as

1281
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 2: our pilot when the career ends, Luke into that.

1282
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing, Uh, why don't we do what

1283
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 3: Dan Snyder did, which is then you take the private

1284
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 3: jet and then you charge the team five million dollars

1285
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 3: for putting the logos on your private jet as an

1286
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 3: advertising feen Anybody like, well, we had to get the

1287
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 3: jet first, Yes we do. But if we do that,

1288
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 3: I think we can make five million dollars.

1289
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: What do you think we see?

1290
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 2: No, thank you, I was I was just trying to

1291
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 2: get my siblings more jobs, Luke. Okay, thank you very much.

1292
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 3: All right, let's move down the card if we can

1293
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 3: BC it's from one banger to the next. We moved

1294
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 3: to the welterweight division. Another substantial favorite, although slightly under

1295
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 3: what Valentina was. When Jeff Neil takes on my favorite

1296
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 3: Shafcut Rockmanov BC. Jeff Neil is a plus three eighty

1297
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 3: Shafcout Rockmanoff minus five hundred. The oddsmakers like his chances

1298
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 3: and so do I BC.

1299
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: What does victory hinge on in this contest?

1300
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 2: I think it hinges on looking at what is Jeff

1301
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 2: Neil's biggest danger that he brings to this game, Luke,

1302
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 2: When Jeff Neils dialed in and has momentum and right

1303
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 2: now he does again from some of the personal and

1304
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 2: fight related setbacks he's had. I mean, he can be that.

1305
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,439
Speaker 2: He could be a devastating striker. He can go deep

1306
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 2: into fights, get into to battle, keep that power and

1307
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 2: find ways to land it. But you're facing a surgeon,

1308
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 2: an absolute technician here in Shavcott Rockmanoff, who who has

1309
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 2: mastered the tiny elements of distance and movement and some

1310
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 2: of these things that you can take advantage of of

1311
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 2: other opponents. The opening won't be there, So I'm not

1312
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 2: only looking for Shafcut Rockmanov to neutralize the power threat

1313
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 2: from Jeff Neil. I'm at the same time, Luke, if

1314
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 2: he can finish him and if he can do something

1315
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 2: destructive here. This is his entry point into this top

1316
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 2: ten and into big fights that truly matter. And it's

1317
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 2: not just can he beat Jeff Neil. The odds tell

1318
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 2: you he probably should, but I'm really looking into can

1319
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 2: he further with the momentum and continue to you know,

1320
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 2: double down on what we think of him as he's rising.

1321
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 2: And to do that, yeah, you've got to pick apart

1322
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 2: what Jeff Neil does and and dilute his danger. But

1323
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 2: I want to see him fill those holes too, Luke,

1324
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 2: when he finds the opening and leave that mark. I'm

1325
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 2: asking a lot of them here. But every time I've

1326
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 2: seen him, he's impressed me even more. You know, I'm

1327
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 2: almost trying to like keep my distance because of your

1328
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 2: over exertion into the idea of his upper bound limits.

1329
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 2: And it's not that it's a you know, knock against

1330
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 2: your gauge, your judgment. You've been on fire. You once

1331
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 2: told me that Cyril Gone would wear a piece of

1332
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 2: the heavyweight title before I even consider that a possibility. Luke,

1333
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 2: all right, but I want to see it now, and

1334
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 2: I want to see it. I want to see it nasty.

1335
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 2: I want to see him break this guy down and

1336
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 2: then pull him away. Luke. That's that might take some time, though.

1337
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 2: There's a tough customer opposite him here.

1338
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jeff Neil, I watched the Luk fight again this morning.

1339
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 3: I mean that was incredible South Paul. He was lighting

1340
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 3: Luk up left and right, and the big deal there

1341
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 3: was you know, we see this for example, b C.

1342
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 3: What's a big consideration in the Ryan Garcia and Tank

1343
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 3: Davis fight, which I know is not till April, but

1344
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 3: one of the big things I'm looking reaches one.

1345
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 1: But I'm thinking of something, yes, of.

1346
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 3: Course reaches a big one, but something a little bit

1347
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 3: different for me, which is Garcia attacks in straight lines.

1348
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 3: That's a big problem that he has, and Tank can

1349
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 3: fight at angles. And if you watched the fight between

1350
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 3: Luka and Neil Neil, you hear said yelling right flank,

1351
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 3: I mean like a madman the whole time, because he

1352
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 3: wanted him to angle off, constantly setting up the left,

1353
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 3: using the right hook to get away, and for the

1354
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 3: most part the second round not was standing but for

1355
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 3: the most part he was able to do that. I

1356
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 3: thought he had a ten eight first round. It tells

1357
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 3: you he can fight at angles. That's not easy to.

1358
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: Do, folks.

1359
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 3: A lot of good accomplished fighters actually can't do that

1360
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 3: very well. And he struggled with it a little bit

1361
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 3: at times, but he did pull it off very successfully

1362
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 3: in the end. So I really like that from Jeff. Mean,

1363
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 3: I think he's mature. I think he understands what works

1364
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 3: for him. He's got a great coach and a great

1365
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 3: relationship to that coach. He listens to the coach. A

1366
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 3: lot of guys don't do that either. The problem, man,

1367
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 3: you're just going up against a guy who I mean,

1368
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 3: let's just answer the question very basically, who has more

1369
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 3: ways to win this fight? Dude, it's shot cut Rockmanov

1370
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 3: with a bullet. It's not even That's not even enough.

1371
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, that's not even enough for debate. Jeff probably

1372
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 3: hits harder. I believe that might have better boxing too,

1373
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 3: But if he does have better boxing, I don't think

1374
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 3: it's by a wide margin. And more to that point, dude,

1375
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 3: Rockmanov's distance management, his timing, his diagnostic ability is next level.

1376
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 3: His understanding and use of the clock. It's not an

1377
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 3: accident that he goes for submissions right at the end.

1378
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 3: His surprise with it, his well roundedness with it, his

1379
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 3: ground and pound, his takedowns, his trap setting. He's just

1380
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 3: in that sense we see he is far in advance

1381
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 3: of Jeff Neil. The issue is, for a guy who

1382
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 3: doesn't make a lot of mistakes, how many can you make?

1383
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 3: Because he will make some against a guy with that

1384
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 3: kind of power, That is the issue for me. I

1385
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 3: think there have been times where Rockmanov's gotten a little

1386
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 3: bit lucy goosey and then paid for it to a

1387
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 3: small degree, but he would pay for it big time

1388
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 3: against Jeff Neil.

1389
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: That power is no joke.

1390
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. The question for me is can Neil use that power,

1391
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 2: you know, not necessarily to win it, you know, you

1392
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 2: hope that's that'd be the hope, right, but enough to

1393
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 2: to slightly discipline what Rochmanoff can do. Because when rock

1394
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 2: monof fully feels like he's got the spider web, you

1395
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 2: know set up, Yeah, that's when he goes for the

1396
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 2: finish in man as he swift at it. But you've

1397
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,439
Speaker 2: got to be able to leave the opening of Neil

1398
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 2: to be able to win these rounds and come back

1399
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 2: like this. And look, if I look at Neil's true

1400
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 2: upper bottd limits and a potential comparison. I made the

1401
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 2: Johnny Hendrix comparison before in terms of the style and

1402
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 2: the game and the body style to a certain degree.

1403
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 2: Do you think there's any comparison on someone we've seen

1404
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 2: before to shaw Cut that makes sense.

1405
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 1: That Jeff has fought.

1406
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 2: No, if I'm saying what you know, given what I

1407
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 2: see and Jeff, I see a little bit of Johnny

1408
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 2: Hendrix in him if he continues to improve. Is there

1409
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 2: anyone in the past that you see that you can say, well,

1410
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 2: Shaffcott reminds me of them in this regard.

1411
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 1: I'd have to think about that one a little bit.

1412
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 2: If it's not as easy off the tongue, then maybe

1413
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 2: Luke he's a different kind of complete technical fighter who

1414
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 2: can be nasty when it's time to get there.

1415
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 3: I mean, he just has he's just so deceiving, right

1416
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 3: Like for example, he'll lock up with guys and then

1417
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 3: press them into the fence. And then you saw this

1418
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 3: against Magne, You saw this against Carlton Harris, saw this

1419
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 3: against who's the guy Michelle who he fought. Uh through

1420
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 3: the guy they called tank in Brazil but Razerish braziersh Uh,

1421
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 3: He'll let himself get turned and pressed into the fence,

1422
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 3: only to then sends you flying with an overhook and

1423
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 3: some kind of a throw, and his timing on it

1424
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 3: is beautiful. He has the ability to intercept guys with

1425
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 3: knees like he just understands his body type, he understands distance,

1426
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 3: he understands went to press, went to gas, went to break,

1427
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 3: went to just he just has a really clear purpose

1428
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 3: and intention with everything. And of course you know that's

1429
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 3: Jeff's getting through. Jeff's boxing is going to be a challenge,

1430
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 3: especially for a guy who kind.

1431
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 1: Of prefers to box himself more than kickbox.

1432
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 3: I would actually say, so there is a little bit

1433
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 3: of symmetry there, and I do think some trouble is there,

1434
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 3: but I just feel like rather than uh, falling into

1435
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 3: Jeff's traps, which Vicente Luke, I mean, go watch the fight,

1436
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 3: like the guy is a very good fighter, but his

1437
01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 3: head was right here on the center line everything angle time.

1438
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 3: He didn't move it at all or step back or

1439
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:08,479
Speaker 3: whatever role or even block half the time. And that's

1440
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 3: just not Rockmanov. Man, that's just not what he does.

1441
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 3: So it's gonna be incumbent upon Jeff to both. I

1442
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 3: think confuse Rockmanov and I think take the fight to

1443
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 3: him a little bit. A lot of guys Rockmanov is weird,

1444
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 3: right because he has He doesn't come out storming. He

1445
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 3: did a little bit against Alex Olivera, but against Neil Magni,

1446
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 3: for example, he came out real quiet, didn't even take center.

1447
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 3: Didn't even take center in fact, I took it for

1448
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 3: a second and then step right back out. Brings the

1449
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 3: fight down to a pace so he can make adjustments.

1450
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 3: I don't think Jeff, if he really wants to win

1451
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 3: and should accommodate that pace. If you accommodate Rockmanov's pace,

1452
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 3: that's when he does all of his best thinking because

1453
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 3: he can see all the traps being set in his mind.

1454
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 1: Do I want to send him here? Do I want

1455
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: to lock up this direction? Which risk?

1456
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:55,440
Speaker 3: Do I want to grab? What do I want to do?

1457
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 3: You just let him make all these choices with all

1458
01:05:58,040 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 3: this time.

1459
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 1: You shouldn't do that. You put a little bit of

1460
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 1: a pace on rock mon Off. I think easier said

1461
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 1: than done.

1462
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 3: But if you just acceed to are you, I should say,

1463
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 3: if you just succumb and give into the tempo he

1464
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 3: wants to set, you're just giving into the tempo that

1465
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 3: is just right for his decision making. You have to

1466
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 3: take that away again. What are the conditions any fighter

1467
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 3: needs to succeed. One of the things that Rockmanov likes

1468
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 3: to do is slow it down just a little bit.

1469
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 1: Do not give that to him. Keep the pace.

1470
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 2: High, yeah, yeah, utilize the of the three rounds here

1471
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 2: at this level, come out, you know, like, keep that

1472
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 2: pace high. Try to find you know, you've got to

1473
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 2: try to find something that might not expose him, but

1474
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 2: show It's like the Valentino conversation, show humanity at what

1475
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 2: what part of his game? You know what? What can

1476
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 2: what can Jeff Neil do at trying to control the

1477
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 2: tempo and the pace that can pull it back in

1478
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 2: his favor. These are the areas where he'll have to show,

1479
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 2: you know, next level maturity up to this point in IQ.

1480
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:58,439
Speaker 2: But tough fighter, Let's give him that chance. I mean, look,

1481
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 2: you know, comparing to down defenses, do we see this

1482
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 2: as a kickboxing match or can you really see? Uh,

1483
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 2: some of our expectations change if this goes to the ground.

1484
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 3: So the only fight where Rockmanov has not taken down

1485
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 3: his opponent was the Alex Olivera fight. And in the

1486
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 3: Alex which I think was his UFC debut maybe something

1487
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:24,479
Speaker 3: like that, not for Olivera, but for Rockmanov, and the

1488
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 3: the fight did end up on the ground at the

1489
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 3: end because he was able to jump guillotine on him

1490
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 3: and he's got let's let's we should say this. Rockmanov

1491
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 3: is very good once you're on the ground in taking

1492
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 3: a strong position, forcing you to roll to avoid it,

1493
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 3: and then locking up a dars choke. That's one of

1494
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 3: his common setups. The other one is he'll let you

1495
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 3: roll to base or press into him. Remember I told

1496
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 3: you will accept pressure, and then he locks up a

1497
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 3: head norm guillotine triangle. And his guillotine is excellent, excellent.

1498
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 3: He is so good at applying pressure and knows when

1499
01:07:59,080 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 3: to get the clamp.

1500
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 1: His clamp is quick.

1501
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 3: He doesn't have to like get it and then adjust it.

1502
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 3: It's on from the word go to me. I wonder

1503
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 3: to what extent that will play a role in all

1504
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 3: of this. I tend to think it probably will.

1505
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, looking forward to this one Luke, a lot of

1506
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:17,720
Speaker 2: big questions need answering. B.

1507
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 3: See if he gets so he has so if rock

1508
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:23,800
Speaker 3: Mondo has nothing but wins and nothing but finishes, would

1509
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:25,639
Speaker 3: you downgrade him if it went the distance?

1510
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,680
Speaker 2: It depends on the you know what that looked like

1511
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 2: in that regard. But no, like when you enter into

1512
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:34,719
Speaker 2: the top ten, you're supposed to find resistance. You're supposed

1513
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 2: I mean, you're supposed to find out what areas you

1514
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 2: actually do need to pick up on and round out.

1515
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 2: You know. But we just haven't seen him fight find

1516
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 2: that level of resistance yet. So if that resistance is

1517
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 2: still a solid and complete performance, that's the game, Luke,

1518
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 2: you know, that's the game at the elite level in

1519
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:51,880
Speaker 2: a three round fight.

1520
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 3: Fair enough, all right, B See we continue to march

1521
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:57,680
Speaker 3: down the card. This one, to me has got to

1522
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 3: be the most intriguing one for a lot of reasons.

1523
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 1: BC.

1524
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 3: Depending on where the odds finish, it could finish an

1525
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 3: even tighter contest from a betting perspective than the main event.

1526
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 3: How about Matayosh Gamrock on short note, is feeling them

1527
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:14,639
Speaker 3: for Dan Hooker against Jalen Turner BC. Your odds Gamrock

1528
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 3: minus one seventy Jalen Turner plus one forty five. Again,

1529
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 3: I go back to this one. Is this just as

1530
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 3: simple BC as striker versus in this case not less

1531
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 3: so grappler but let you know, wrestler type. Is that

1532
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 3: what it really comes down to here?

1533
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 2: Not necessarily because you know it showed in terms of

1534
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 2: their their their basic strengths and weaknesses. But let's not

1535
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 2: forget this two fight stretch for Gamrock very close went

1536
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 2: over Sarayukin that could have gone either way, and then

1537
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 2: fights b Neil Derushin in a huge opportunity to catapult

1538
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 2: to the top of this division and comes up empty,

1539
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 2: did not get embarrassed to not get dominated or handled,

1540
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:57,679
Speaker 2: but was missing that next level gear. The central tension

1541
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:00,599
Speaker 2: in this fight will be we need Mateyo scam Rack.

1542
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 2: As much as you can argue that sticking to the

1543
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 2: script of who he is might be the best scenario

1544
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 2: against somebody like Jalen Turner, also could go completely opposite

1545
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:12,839
Speaker 2: based on these still pictures of how dangerous a finisher

1546
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 2: he is. But Luke, we need mitea Scamrot to show

1547
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 2: us that he's ready to fix some of these mistakes

1548
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 2: and get to that elite level because the flashing of

1549
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:23,519
Speaker 2: brilliance is there. I mean, he is solid, he's a gamer,

1550
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 2: but I need to see a little bit more urgency.

1551
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 2: I need to see a little bit more danger in

1552
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 2: the striking game. You do that against Jalen Turner, you

1553
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 2: bring out the worst of him, Luke, So that central

1554
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:36,559
Speaker 2: tension is going to be very interesting to figure out here.

1555
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do think it's striker versus grappler, I really do.

1556
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 3: I don't think it's much more complicated than that, which well.

1557
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 2: It is foundationally, but dude, Gamrock's got to show us something. Man,

1558
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 2: He's got to take the fight urgently and take care

1559
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 2: of it here. I mean, to some.

1560
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:54,559
Speaker 3: Devison, I agree with that in the sense that you know,

1561
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 3: you go watch Jalen Turner's fights, Dude, it goes from

1562
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 3: bad to worse quickly. You just don't have a lot

1563
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:04,599
Speaker 3: of time unless you're dictating to him. You just don't

1564
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 3: have a lot of time to stand in front of

1565
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:09,040
Speaker 3: Jalen Turner. He makes reads so goddamn quickly. And one

1566
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 3: thing that they point out on the tape, or I

1567
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 3: actually say the tale of the tape, is that they

1568
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:15,599
Speaker 3: have him listed as a southpaw, which is true, except

1569
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:19,560
Speaker 3: he finished Brad Riddell in his last fight from orthodox.

1570
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 3: He can do it from both stances, and he does

1571
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 3: switch to a fairly regular degree. Also, he can hurt

1572
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 3: guys and then finished them off on the ground like

1573
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 3: he did with Bradridell or some other ones. But let's

1574
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 3: just go through his UFC opponents since twenty nineteen because

1575
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 3: he was sti trying to figure it out. He had

1576
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:35,559
Speaker 3: a welterweight fight against Luke a and like his UFC debut,

1577
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:38,719
Speaker 3: passed the Contender series, and you know he lost that one.

1578
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 3: But since losing to Matt Ravola in twenty nineteen, he

1579
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 3: by the way, a hard nosed wrestler type guy. He

1580
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 3: beat Joshuacoulibau, brock Weaver, Euroshmetish, Jamie Malarkey, and then Brad Riddell.

1581
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 3: Malarkey did get a takedown on him, although he got

1582
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 3: chewed up in that fight for most of the two

1583
01:11:57,200 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 3: rounds BC. But Gamrot is the best wrestler Jalen Turner

1584
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 3: has fought by a country mile. None of those guys

1585
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 3: are even they're good fighters there, none of them are

1586
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:13,599
Speaker 3: on gamrockz level, not even a little bit. Does that

1587
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 3: not give you pause about Turner's chances.

1588
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 2: Here, certainly, and I'm not saying that that's not the

1589
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 2: strongest part of gamrots game and shouldn't still be the

1590
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 2: part of h shouldn't still be matchup dependent here in

1591
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 2: terms of the breakdown of their styles and the best

1592
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 2: lead for him. But to me, this isn't just about

1593
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:34,640
Speaker 2: avenging that high level lost to benil dry Us. I

1594
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:36,920
Speaker 2: need him to exceed the performance and I need him

1595
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 2: to show that and that'll come with navigating some of

1596
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 2: these dangerous situations against Jalen Turner sometimes to set up

1597
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:45,080
Speaker 2: what he can potentially do in terms of slipping at

1598
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 2: a takedown and changing the momentum there. Either way, Luke,

1599
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 2: it's on the feet or the ground, Jalen Turner can

1600
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:52,800
Speaker 2: be dangerous. So I love this matchup. I think it's

1601
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:56,600
Speaker 2: the perfect one to introduce Turner the tarantula to the

1602
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 2: potential of entering this elite group at the top, Luke.

1603
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:01,679
Speaker 2: And we already know the stakes of what Gamrot needs

1604
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 2: to do. So you put them together in a three

1605
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:05,519
Speaker 2: round fight, we're gonna see. We could see a high pace,

1606
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 2: and we could see some urgency here, and yes, the

1607
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 2: foundational contrast and styles will probably be the ultimately play

1608
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:15,720
Speaker 2: out that way. But I'm gonna be looking narrowly here,

1609
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 2: Luke at Gamrot, accepting the danger and really working beyond

1610
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:23,599
Speaker 2: just being a you know, he's a technical boxer at times. Luke,

1611
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 2: you can put out a good job, but I need more.

1612
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 2: I need more.

1613
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 3: Uh Yeah, But darry Used got the best of them

1614
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 3: on the feet, and if darry Us is gonna get

1615
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:31,679
Speaker 3: the best one of the feed, Jalen Turner is gonna

1616
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:33,200
Speaker 3: get the best of him on the feed too. For

1617
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 3: Jalen Turner, man, this is really we're gonna see like again,

1618
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 3: length is like, isn't an advantage. It certainly can be

1619
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:43,560
Speaker 3: in a variety of different circumstances, right, Having length in

1620
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 3: a great job is phenomenal. And yeah, you saw it

1621
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 3: in the Malarkey fight Malarkey charge. He charges on Turner

1622
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 3: and Turner just drills him with a knee right up

1623
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:54,760
Speaker 3: the middle and it just stunned him. You know, he's

1624
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 3: got such good capability that we understands his body top

1625
01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 3: and I do think he makes for the most part,

1626
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:00,720
Speaker 3: pretty good use of it. But on the ground, I've

1627
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 3: said it before as a lanky guy myself, although certainly

1628
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:05,600
Speaker 3: not a one fifty five or but a lanky just

1629
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 3: the same. Once you get inside of their leverages, it's

1630
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,920
Speaker 3: very hard to get inside. It's much easier for a shorter,

1631
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:15,800
Speaker 3: a shorter limbed guy to do that. And Gamrot is

1632
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 3: gonna be all over him like White on rice if

1633
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:19,559
Speaker 3: he has any sense of things. The thing that I

1634
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 3: think changes the equation a little bit BC is not

1635
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 3: so much that Turner is gonna get back up. I

1636
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:28,799
Speaker 3: just don't believe that. But Gamrock doesn't have torrential ground

1637
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 3: and pound. That's one thing he might against Turner because

1638
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 3: Turner's not as good of a wrestler. But to this

1639
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 3: point we've not seen amazing ground and pound from Gamrack.

1640
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 3: That's one, and the other one was if he's not

1641
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 3: doing a lot of submissions and he's not doing a

1642
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:43,800
Speaker 3: lot of ground and pound, and it goes to the

1643
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 3: next round and you have to deal with another fight

1644
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 3: starting on the feet, or another round I should say

1645
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 3: starting on the feet with Daleen Turner, you're just courting

1646
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 3: disaster at that point, like you cannot give them an inch.

1647
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:56,640
Speaker 1: You don't be reckless with it.

1648
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 3: But when it's time to scientifically take him down, you

1649
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:01,720
Speaker 3: have to do it right away. The urgency has to

1650
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:03,920
Speaker 3: be there with Gamrock from the word go, and he

1651
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 3: can never let off otherwise, agreed, Hener is just too good.

1652
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 2: Also, three of five three of Turner's five wins here

1653
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:13,640
Speaker 2: on this run have been by submission. So there is

1654
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 2: a part of it, Luke, where it's not just we

1655
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 2: need Gamro to be more offensive and dominant opposition. But

1656
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:21,480
Speaker 2: if the threat of a submission from Taylor emerges, sometimes

1657
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 2: that can cancel it out. And then if that does, Luke,

1658
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 2: you'll see this fight on the feet more more often

1659
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:29,559
Speaker 2: than not. And that's again where Gamrock needs to continue

1660
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 2: to show us the evolution, the willingness to court more

1661
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 2: danger to have success. And this is the right this

1662
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 2: is the right matchup coming off an elite loss. Let's see,

1663
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,599
Speaker 2: if you know, because Luke, very little separates them at

1664
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 2: this level. You know that very little.

1665
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 3: We have some sound here I want to go to

1666
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 3: as well. I believe with Shaquille MAJORI spoke to both.

1667
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:49,280
Speaker 2: Busy dude checks a go get her. Luke, you got

1668
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 2: to give him that, right. I know you don't give

1669
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:51,759
Speaker 2: him much.

1670
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 3: No, no, I mean when he when he when he

1671
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:56,640
Speaker 3: texts me to retweet his stuff. That's when I say no,

1672
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. That's when I put the

1673
01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 3: kaibash down. I'm like, listen, I'll reach tweet what I

1674
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:02,879
Speaker 3: want to retweet, but I will give you not the raves.

1675
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 2: He dresses up like a cow to go to raves. Look,

1676
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 2: that's his personal business, you know what I mean. If

1677
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 2: he wants to get down like that.

1678
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean, you know everyone, so it was

1679
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 3: losers of Volveride.

1680
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I used to cover pro wrestling for a living.

1681
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 3: Look right, well, listen, the first time I was on

1682
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 3: Spike TV, I had to talk about a fighter doing

1683
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:22,559
Speaker 3: gay porn. So you know, we all have our our

1684
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:25,639
Speaker 3: our low points, we see, all right. Gam Rot talked

1685
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:28,800
Speaker 3: about the lessons he learned from the Darry Yush fight.

1686
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 1: Let's hear about that.

1687
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 4: What were the biggest lessons you learned coming out of

1688
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:33,280
Speaker 4: that fight with Baniel?

1689
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:36,800
Speaker 9: This was a really big lesson. I learned a lot

1690
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:40,559
Speaker 9: from a fighting with Darius. But that is just great,

1691
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 9: great person.

1692
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 2: You know.

1693
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 9: I give him a lot of respect and I wish

1694
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 9: all the best. I hope so in the future he

1695
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:50,799
Speaker 9: get the belt. But yeah, this was a big lesson

1696
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:55,519
Speaker 9: and big thing is like I'm mature as a fighter,

1697
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 9: you know.

1698
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 2: Now I am like different things.

1699
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:03,600
Speaker 9: My I'm better control my emotion, you know, because my

1700
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 9: last mind in was a big event, big paper paper view,

1701
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:13,479
Speaker 9: big press conference, and I think I have too much

1702
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:16,680
Speaker 9: emotion when during in my fight now will be a

1703
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 9: lot different. Like I say, I mature as a fighter, Michael,

1704
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:23,920
Speaker 9: my hat is called I know what I have to

1705
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,719
Speaker 9: do and I can do it this fight.

1706
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 1: Fair enough?

1707
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:30,840
Speaker 3: Now you see just one more piece of audio if

1708
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:33,839
Speaker 3: we can. Jalen Turner was asked about taking Amtage Gamrock

1709
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 3: on short notice and also, you know, to go from

1710
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 3: Dan Hooker as a sort of a striker lanky guy

1711
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 3: to a kind of like a he's not short but

1712
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 3: a little bit more stout, tank like body type and

1713
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 3: skill set of Gamera, that's a huge change. Here's what

1714
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:48,880
Speaker 3: Jiln Turner had to say about that.

1715
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 4: Is this, in all honesty, the wisest choice to me

1716
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:55,479
Speaker 4: to go from such a drastic change and opponents on

1717
01:17:55,520 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 4: three weeks notice? What's short of notice for him too?

1718
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:01,639
Speaker 1: To be fair?

1719
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 5: Right?

1720
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 10: So yeah, I mean honestly no, but I don't I

1721
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 10: don't look at it that way, you know what I mean,

1722
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 10: I'm chasing great now. So so I look at we're

1723
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 10: just gonna see, you know, like we're gonna see what

1724
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:16,040
Speaker 10: we learned from this or if I you know, get

1725
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 10: it all done, get it done. How I anticipate the

1726
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 10: fight to go and we just go from there. And

1727
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:23,479
Speaker 10: I just want to get you know, keep rising in

1728
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 10: the rankings anyway, So why not fight number seven instead

1729
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:29,839
Speaker 10: of sitting back and waiting for somebody lower ranked anyway?

1730
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 3: You know, the argument we see is if you're good enough,

1731
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 3: you should be able to beat any anyone. And I

1732
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 3: appreciate that as a championship mentality, but it could be

1733
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:40,679
Speaker 3: a case of jail. I mean, jailn Turner has got

1734
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 3: a super bright future, win or lose, right, I really

1735
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 3: believe that twenty this is yeah, twenty seven years old,

1736
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 3: Like he's got a bright future. He's gonna be great.

1737
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 3: I do wonder if this was biting off more than

1738
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 3: he could shoot at this stage. I guess we'll see.

1739
01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:57,559
Speaker 2: On sa Look, you have been outspoken against people who

1740
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:01,439
Speaker 2: he keep Trechulis his pets and snake rightfully, So okay, yeah,

1741
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 2: and it's not like I'm here's the story I'm not

1742
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 2: here to support his spider love, but it is his identity. Luke,

1743
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:08,600
Speaker 2: you can love who you want. But five in a

1744
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 2: row has made me a believer of his danger and

1745
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:13,840
Speaker 2: I miss up the I said that last fight in

1746
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:16,719
Speaker 2: the welterweight division with Chavcott, it gives him a chance

1747
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:18,760
Speaker 2: to really crack the top ten. He is not number

1748
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:21,519
Speaker 2: nine coming in against the number seven ranked opponent. In

1749
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 2: this fight with Turner, it's ten versus seven, but it's

1750
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 2: the same thing. You know, you got to win over

1751
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:28,599
Speaker 2: the number seven rank guy. You're proving now that you're

1752
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:30,640
Speaker 2: ready for that top tier, in the top five. And

1753
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 2: let's see.

1754
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 9: Man.

1755
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 2: Sometimes sometimes we're not sure where we you know, we

1756
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:37,720
Speaker 2: we can attach. Well. He's good, but he's not great yet.

1757
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:40,479
Speaker 2: It's going to take time. Sometimes that time is now, Luke,

1758
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 2: you get a win right now over Gamra. It's time

1759
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:45,720
Speaker 2: to readjust those lightweight rankings. Okay it is.

1760
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:47,519
Speaker 3: Let me say one thing because I like to talk

1761
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:49,200
Speaker 3: a little more x's and o's than sometimes we do.

1762
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:51,679
Speaker 3: I do want to make one point. I have noticed

1763
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 3: something about Turner. Sometimes guys try to take down Turner,

1764
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:57,799
Speaker 3: and it makes sense they want to go for leg attacks,

1765
01:19:57,800 --> 01:19:58,760
Speaker 3: and a lot of times they want to go for

1766
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 3: a leg attack that they catch a kid.

1767
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:01,599
Speaker 1: But either way they want to go for one.

1768
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:04,000
Speaker 3: Whatever leg he has forward, they want to grab it

1769
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:05,519
Speaker 3: and they want to pick it up and run him back.

1770
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 1: Boy, let me caution you.

1771
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:09,840
Speaker 3: Against that, or if you're gonna do it, you have

1772
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:11,720
Speaker 3: to off balance him immediately.

1773
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:14,799
Speaker 1: He is so good. Two things.

1774
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:18,040
Speaker 3: One guys will jump into range to hit him, and

1775
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:20,479
Speaker 3: then when they try to retract, he's His ability to

1776
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 3: hit them on the recoil is tremendous. He's so long

1777
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:26,559
Speaker 3: and his timing is so good. He gets them, maybe

1778
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 3: not so much on the way coming in, but he

1779
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 3: gets them on.

1780
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 1: The bounce back out. It's free offense. It's great.

1781
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:32,760
Speaker 3: The other one is when guys go to grab his

1782
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 3: leg and they don't get him down quickly or run

1783
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 3: him back or off balance him right away. He is

1784
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:42,640
Speaker 3: firing and landing all kinds of stuff from these circumstances.

1785
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:44,720
Speaker 3: He has a series of attacks that he builds into

1786
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:47,559
Speaker 3: him and you've seen it against opponents. In fact, the

1787
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:51,599
Speaker 3: takedown that Malarkey got on him, where was it body lock?

1788
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 3: It was a bodylock take down, the kind that Schevchenko

1789
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 3: got on Onrodge, which I don't think was accidental, partly

1790
01:20:57,400 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 3: the way Androdge throws these hooking punches, but the other

1791
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:03,160
Speaker 3: one was it enabled you. If you get a body

1792
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 3: locked to someone and he pulled him and attached them

1793
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 3: to you, they can't meaningfully hit you. But if I

1794
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 3: grab your leg you can. You can still do it.

1795
01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 3: It would be curious to see what takedown selection Gambrock

1796
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 3: has and how successful that is.

1797
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:20,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if if he's if he is successful, run

1798
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:24,240
Speaker 2: that pipe, bro right, I knew that was coming. It's,

1799
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:27,479
Speaker 2: you know, a pirate's life for me, Luke, right, you

1800
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 2: run that pipe. Let's go take down. Make it happen there,

1801
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 2: all right, Luke Quickly, chef cast pitched me on the

1802
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:36,680
Speaker 2: idea of a reality show involving him cooking for us.

1803
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:38,799
Speaker 2: But what if he was like the resident room service

1804
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:40,120
Speaker 2: diary cook Are you in on that or?

1805
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 1: Now?

1806
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:42,800
Speaker 3: When he says cooking for us, does he mean cooking you,

1807
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:44,800
Speaker 3: like killing you and then feeding you to me?

1808
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 2: You know, it's possible as possible. But really nice guy though,

1809
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:51,160
Speaker 2: except for that time he had those weird like pulsing, vibrating,

1810
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 2: blinking like body things. But uh, you know, he's a

1811
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 2: he's a sense I sense Luke in the capaera communities.

1812
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:04,280
Speaker 3: All right, that's cool, all right, Topic number five.

1813
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 2: Come on, put some respect on the chef's name, Luke. Okay,

1814
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 2: I'm not them, oh quickly, quickly, speaking of dis on

1815
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:14,600
Speaker 2: you who dis on Francis and Ghanu? How about the

1816
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 2: UFC Countdown show, Luke and which which they did put

1817
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:21,080
Speaker 2: my voice in there twice, thanks folks. But did you

1818
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:23,639
Speaker 2: see they did not mention Francis and Gon Who's name?

1819
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:27,200
Speaker 2: One time? In that show when they showed footage of

1820
01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:31,160
Speaker 2: Gon's loss to Nghano. They showed the arena, they showed

1821
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:33,639
Speaker 2: Gon in the cage, they showed his post fight interview,

1822
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:37,560
Speaker 2: never once mentioned who he fought, Like that's not surprising,

1823
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 2: but like, you can't just remove someone from history. Though

1824
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:44,639
Speaker 2: it's like I get ww does or can you well,

1825
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 2: WWE does that with Chris ben Watt to a certain degree.

1826
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 2: But it's justified, right, you get it, even though there

1827
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:52,320
Speaker 2: is a minority of people always being like, well, you

1828
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:55,160
Speaker 2: know he was a performer that that was successful. H

1829
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:57,320
Speaker 2: This ain't that situation, Luke, It really isn't.

1830
01:22:57,320 --> 01:23:00,240
Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, I mean, you know you're invoking Chris

1831
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 3: beIN Watt. It seems a little extreme, but I get

1832
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 3: your point. Yeah, I mean the uf this is this

1833
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:11,760
Speaker 3: is funny, right. The UFC's inability to meaningfully engage with

1834
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:15,000
Speaker 3: its history has been It's that's why it's history telling

1835
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:18,799
Speaker 3: has been bad at times, because they've got this impulse

1836
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:20,720
Speaker 3: where they're either with us or against us, and if

1837
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 3: you're not with us, we're just gonna write you out

1838
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:25,360
Speaker 3: of existence, and that has got them in trouble because

1839
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:29,240
Speaker 3: you can't tell your own stories without some of these guys.

1840
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 3: You can't tell the story of Bjpenn beating Matt Hughes

1841
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 3: and what that all means unless you tell the wider

1842
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:36,320
Speaker 3: story of course, how he left and why the title

1843
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:38,960
Speaker 3: was vacant and everything else, and then they are Frank Shamrock.

1844
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 3: I mean, how but Frank Shamrock has been you know again,

1845
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:42,479
Speaker 3: the UFC is getting better at this.

1846
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:43,519
Speaker 1: I want to be very fair to them.

1847
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:45,559
Speaker 3: They've gotten actually a lot better at this. But one

1848
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 3: of the things that held them back is their their censorship.

1849
01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 3: You know, it's so funny that this data goes out

1850
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:53,720
Speaker 3: there and says all these things like, you know, we're

1851
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:56,040
Speaker 3: pro freedom of speech, here blah blah blah, and then

1852
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:59,000
Speaker 3: what they turn out from a corporate culture standpoint is

1853
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 3: total North Korea stuff, where the guy who is the

1854
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:04,360
Speaker 3: best heavyweight on earth right now, even no matter who

1855
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 3: wins here, still Francis in my mind, they just write

1856
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:10,120
Speaker 3: him out of existence because they couldn't come to an

1857
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:12,719
Speaker 3: arrangement with him, even though it's not at all central

1858
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 3: to the storytelling.

1859
01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 2: Right And it's not that like I don't understand why

1860
01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 2: from a business sense, like I don't expect them to

1861
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 2: play it up, but to literally not show a picture

1862
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 2: of him, not at all.

1863
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, And they talk about God losing that fight at

1864
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 3: that event and never mention who he lost to by.

1865
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 2: Name or show footage of it. It's weird, no, they don't.

1866
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:37,760
Speaker 3: They showed footage of him in his corner during the fight.

1867
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:40,599
Speaker 2: They showed the postfight interview. But I mean they've done

1868
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:43,479
Speaker 2: that to Randy Catur as well, to a lesser degree.

1869
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 2: But still, you know, that's what happens, Luke. And one

1870
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:48,479
Speaker 2: day they'll do that to you, and you know, and

1871
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 2: you'll wear that like a like a scar on your face.

1872
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:54,240
Speaker 1: You see, they already don't put my tweets on the screen.

1873
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Well, if you don't make this,

1874
01:24:57,400 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 2: if you don't make the next media hit piece, Luke,

1875
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:02,720
Speaker 2: that'll show you what Dana really thinks of you. And

1876
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:05,760
Speaker 2: the answer would be not at all. Okay, yeah, at all.

1877
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:07,800
Speaker 3: No, that's the message he would want to send. But

1878
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:09,880
Speaker 3: of course it would actually mean the opposite, right, I mean,

1879
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:13,320
Speaker 3: if you're that thin skinned, then you know, if you're

1880
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:15,640
Speaker 3: if you have hundreds of millions of dollars in the

1881
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:18,599
Speaker 3: bank to the point where you have a monopolistic control

1882
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 3: of the industry. And what you're worried about is that

1883
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 3: your idea around power slap wasn't celebrated by the already

1884
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:27,640
Speaker 3: obsequious media. The level of thin skin you have to

1885
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 3: have is like world record setting in human history.

1886
01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:33,679
Speaker 2: Well, dude, it was two weeks after he was caught

1887
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:36,759
Speaker 2: on video in a domestic violet wise, yeah, his wife,

1888
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:40,040
Speaker 2: So that you can't act like that wasn't part of it.

1889
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:42,560
Speaker 2: So to then, you know, I mean, you got to

1890
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:44,599
Speaker 2: have a little bit of success first before you can

1891
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:47,439
Speaker 2: like talk the shit that you're coming after. All I'm

1892
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 2: saying is, look, the question I asked you immediately after

1893
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:52,280
Speaker 2: that was how long will Dana be on good behavior

1894
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:55,080
Speaker 2: before he attacks the media again, it seems like it's over.

1895
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:58,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess you know, we just couldn't.

1896
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:01,280
Speaker 3: We couldn't comprehend the brilliance of power Slab. But you

1897
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 3: know who did, rumble Rumble dot com.

1898
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 1: So there you go.

1899
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 3: All right, BC to open the main card, and this

1900
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 3: one's probably gonna be an execution.

1901
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 1: Let's just be honest about that. Could be wrong.

1902
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:14,800
Speaker 3: Fights are crazy, fights are crazy, but it's probably gonna

1903
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:18,759
Speaker 3: be an execution. When Bo Nickel takes on Jamie Pickett,

1904
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 3: b C ready for these odds, bow Nickel. You won't

1905
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 3: see this off credit to UFC. You will not see

1906
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:28,400
Speaker 3: this very often in their organization. Minus fourteen hundred to

1907
01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:30,760
Speaker 3: a Jamie Pickett plus eight hundred BC. The reason why

1908
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:32,800
Speaker 3: you don't see that is because they typically book very

1909
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:33,639
Speaker 3: competitive matchups.

1910
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 1: We've gone through the odds of the entire main card.

1911
01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 3: Hello, the main event is a plus or minus one

1912
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:40,200
Speaker 3: hundred right, very closely contested.

1913
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:42,599
Speaker 1: That's I will say. It's a very good thing about UFC.

1914
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:45,600
Speaker 3: But here's the problem. BC, what are you supposed to

1915
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:48,439
Speaker 3: do with Bo Nickel? Because this is the right opponent

1916
01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 3: for him or right level opponent anyway, given how still

1917
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:54,639
Speaker 3: relatively new he is as an MMA fighter, but he's

1918
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:57,880
Speaker 3: obviously got such potential it almost seems like a four

1919
01:26:58,000 --> 01:26:59,000
Speaker 3: gone conclusion.

1920
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 1: It's a rare moment for UFC.

1921
01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 2: And let's be honest here about the makeup of Bonnickel

1922
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 2: compared to other situations that feel like this, whether it's

1923
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:11,000
Speaker 2: signing a stage north cut so quickly and throwing him

1924
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 2: into live action on the USC level, or even you know,

1925
01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:17,439
Speaker 2: Raoul Rosas junior coming in as like legitimate, like literally

1926
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 2: a high school teenager. The difference is Boneckle is twenty seven,

1927
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:24,800
Speaker 2: and the difference is that the the exposure in the

1928
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 2: competitive the competition level that he's already had an amateur

1929
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:30,600
Speaker 2: wrestling at the you know, at the elite collegiate and

1930
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:32,640
Speaker 2: eventually you know, the Olympic Trials and all that, that

1931
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 2: the international level is just you know, unrivaled. And then

1932
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:37,960
Speaker 2: you mix that with the footage that we have of

1933
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 2: him through three fights, and you're you're just watching somebody

1934
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 2: who is so next level compared to somebody making their

1935
01:27:44,479 --> 01:27:48,160
Speaker 2: UFC debut, which he'll do here Saturday, that it's weird,

1936
01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:50,120
Speaker 2: Like you hate to say, it and you know, we

1937
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:52,240
Speaker 2: could eat our words if Jamie Pickett comes out and

1938
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:54,519
Speaker 2: you know, makes it a closer fight, er pulls them,

1939
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 2: you know, monumental upset. I mean Aaron piccol lost on

1940
01:27:57,400 --> 01:28:00,400
Speaker 2: his first day, albeit in a division above his head

1941
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:03,679
Speaker 2: and all that, but this is like not about Jamie

1942
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:06,000
Speaker 2: Pickett at all, and to the level Luke. I was

1943
01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:09,360
Speaker 2: actually surprised at the countdown cameras which went to bon

1944
01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 2: Nickel at the at the new gym there in State College,

1945
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:14,680
Speaker 2: and then bo went to Penn State wrestling practice and

1946
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:17,280
Speaker 2: they documented that they actually set a camera out to

1947
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 2: North Carolina with Jamie Pickett, and I was like, oh,

1948
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:22,080
Speaker 2: I didn't expect that, because that's what this is all about,

1949
01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:24,559
Speaker 2: because when do you get a guy like this who,

1950
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 2: like you get a hamsat chumaya of who walks in

1951
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:29,559
Speaker 2: during the pandemic and we just go, WHOA, where has

1952
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:32,120
Speaker 2: this guy been? How good could he be? And we

1953
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:34,920
Speaker 2: still don't know the answers to that. But bon Nichol's

1954
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:38,880
Speaker 2: different because he he came in not just seemingly a

1955
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:41,840
Speaker 2: finished product in the very small glimpse we have, but

1956
01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:44,840
Speaker 2: we know who he is. We know of his competitiveness,

1957
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:47,559
Speaker 2: we know of his backbone, We know a lot. We

1958
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:50,960
Speaker 2: don't know if that directly translates to the level of MMA.

1959
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:53,439
Speaker 2: But you know, I asked you this in the pregame

1960
01:28:53,479 --> 01:28:55,880
Speaker 2: preview of will they slow roll him if he comes

1961
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:58,240
Speaker 2: in here and wins? Or will it be like how

1962
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:01,360
Speaker 2: soon before the title shot? It's more likely going to

1963
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:04,840
Speaker 2: be the latter, Luke, because he's older, more physically and

1964
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:08,600
Speaker 2: mentally advanced, and he's jumping through the screen and the

1965
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 2: short burst we've had. If he does that to Jamie

1966
01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:15,640
Speaker 2: Pickett and just you know, fruitinginjes him, how can you

1967
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:18,960
Speaker 2: hold this guy back? You can't, You can't. He's ready, Luke,

1968
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:21,200
Speaker 2: He's ready for big things right now. You gotta win

1969
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:22,880
Speaker 2: this fight first. I'm not trying to put the car

1970
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:26,360
Speaker 2: before the horse, but make sure the tires on the

1971
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:29,400
Speaker 2: cart are you know, inflated, because this thing's going Luke

1972
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:30,800
Speaker 2: gets going BC.

1973
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:33,839
Speaker 1: What do you call a vegetarian with diarrhea?

1974
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:35,280
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1975
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:41,360
Speaker 1: Salad shooter? Remember the salad shooter?

1976
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:42,280
Speaker 6: I do?

1977
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:44,320
Speaker 2: I do? I probably bought one at the Big E

1978
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:49,639
Speaker 2: one time. Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, correct some records

1979
01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:49,960
Speaker 2: go ahead.

1980
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:51,679
Speaker 3: I want to correct the records so I had someone

1981
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:54,479
Speaker 3: reach out to me because I'm very familiar with his

1982
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:56,920
Speaker 3: folk style career, and I knew that he had tried

1983
01:29:57,479 --> 01:29:59,400
Speaker 3: to make the Olympic.

1984
01:29:58,960 --> 01:29:59,960
Speaker 1: Team or the national team.

1985
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:01,640
Speaker 3: To go to the Olympics, you have to qualify for

1986
01:30:01,680 --> 01:30:03,960
Speaker 3: the teams, and that he ultimately failed out. I did

1987
01:30:04,120 --> 01:30:06,720
Speaker 3: know that, but I honestly I hadn't done enough of

1988
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:09,040
Speaker 3: my homework, and someone wrote to me to correct the

1989
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 3: record on this.

1990
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:10,639
Speaker 1: Now obviously is true.

1991
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:14,680
Speaker 3: His freestyle career did not go or his freestyle attempt anyway.

1992
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:17,479
Speaker 2: Dude, he run in it to David Taylor, right, David.

1993
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 3: Tamla, who ended up being the gold medalist in the

1994
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:22,720
Speaker 3: Olympics and world champion. And by the way, again, I

1995
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:25,519
Speaker 3: saw their twenty eleven wrestling match between David Taylor and

1996
01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:28,599
Speaker 3: Kyle Day here in Washington c at American University was amazing.

1997
01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:31,000
Speaker 3: But someone wrote me and they're like, you got to

1998
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:33,599
Speaker 3: put some respect on bow Nichol's freestyle career. I would

1999
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:35,280
Speaker 3: like to read you what he wrote me. He says

2000
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:36,920
Speaker 3: he's a huge fan, he wasn't a hater at all,

2001
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:40,000
Speaker 3: and he says, well, he certainly lost to world gold

2002
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:42,519
Speaker 3: medalist and Olympic bronze medalist. Jaden Cox was an American

2003
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:44,719
Speaker 3: and one of the best freestyle wrestlers on the planet.

2004
01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:46,240
Speaker 1: When he went up and weighed.

2005
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:48,439
Speaker 3: Two hundred and three pounds, okay, fair enough, he was

2006
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:51,840
Speaker 3: elite in freestyle. Firstly, his biggest winning achievement and in

2007
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:54,439
Speaker 3: freestyle wrestling was winning the under twenty three World's gold

2008
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:56,559
Speaker 3: and if you look at who he beat and achieving that,

2009
01:30:56,720 --> 01:30:59,400
Speaker 3: it's not arguable. He beat Shamail Zubairov, who was an

2010
01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:03,200
Speaker 3: Azerbaijan national champion and under twenty three gold and bronze medalist,

2011
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:07,800
Speaker 3: and he beat Bartar Bet Batarbaiek Sakulov, who was an

2012
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:10,160
Speaker 3: under twenty three world silver medalist. He won the Ivan

2013
01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:13,200
Speaker 3: Jaragon Gold Medal, which is a major tournament in Russia.

2014
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:14,799
Speaker 1: A Russian national champion.

2015
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:16,400
Speaker 3: He beat them and would also going to become the

2016
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:20,000
Speaker 3: World Game's silver medalist. Furthermore, he was a US national

2017
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:22,479
Speaker 3: champion in freestyle and lost in the finals of the

2018
01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:25,960
Speaker 3: Olympic Trials. Excuse me to David Taylor, who went on

2019
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:28,120
Speaker 3: to become a gold medalist. He goes through some of

2020
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:30,639
Speaker 3: the other guys who he beat in his freestyle career.

2021
01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:33,320
Speaker 3: Basically it came down to he lost to David Taylor

2022
01:31:33,479 --> 01:31:35,840
Speaker 3: for that Olympic slot and just didn't want to wait

2023
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:38,160
Speaker 3: another four years to try to get in an Olympic slot.

2024
01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:39,680
Speaker 3: He said, fuck it, I'm just going to go over

2025
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:42,280
Speaker 3: to MMA at this time. So it looks like I've

2026
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:45,080
Speaker 3: been grossly underselling. And when I say it looks like

2027
01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:48,760
Speaker 3: I'm admitting I have been his freestyle accomplishments, he went

2028
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:51,640
Speaker 3: really far. It's just there's a couple of legends on

2029
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:53,720
Speaker 3: that team when he was going through, and it was

2030
01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:54,719
Speaker 3: hard to beat those guys.

2031
01:31:55,320 --> 01:31:58,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Daniel Cormier always running into Cale Sanderson and

2032
01:31:58,640 --> 01:31:59,240
Speaker 2: John Jones.

2033
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:03,040
Speaker 3: It happens, Luke, not exactly exactly, because uh, Cormier didn't

2034
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:04,639
Speaker 3: win a Division one national title.

2035
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:05,840
Speaker 1: Bon Nicol won three of them.

2036
01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:08,719
Speaker 2: Well, right, what I'm saying is sometimes there's just somebody

2037
01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:12,439
Speaker 2: who's like, like, you know, an all time great at

2038
01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:14,120
Speaker 2: the end of that video game, and there's only so

2039
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:17,240
Speaker 2: much you can do. But heading into this matchup against

2040
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:20,519
Speaker 2: Jamie Pickett, Luke, if there was an area that that

2041
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:23,640
Speaker 2: bon Nickel would disappoint to the level of you know,

2042
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:27,280
Speaker 2: either self destructing or let's just say winning in a

2043
01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:29,880
Speaker 2: way that shows Wow, he's not you know, let's let's

2044
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:33,120
Speaker 2: let's slow down a little bit. Where would be that category?

2045
01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:35,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I think you're gonna tell me striking, But dude,

2046
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:40,040
Speaker 2: what we've seen short bursts, it looks complete, man, I mean,

2047
01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:41,160
Speaker 2: it looks ready to go.

2048
01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:44,000
Speaker 3: The only issue that we have because we don't have

2049
01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:47,479
Speaker 3: a ton of information, right, just like the volume of

2050
01:32:47,479 --> 01:32:50,000
Speaker 3: what we know his game to look like, we actually

2051
01:32:50,040 --> 01:32:51,880
Speaker 3: have very little to go on to the four that

2052
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:54,840
Speaker 3: you raised because it's so quick. Right, So this is

2053
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:57,439
Speaker 3: my point. I don't think Pickett's going to be that guy.

2054
01:32:57,560 --> 01:33:00,320
Speaker 3: I'd be very surprised if Picket's that guy. But the

2055
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:02,320
Speaker 3: question you have to ask yourself, and I always say this, now,

2056
01:33:02,360 --> 01:33:05,120
Speaker 3: this is not some random guy coming off the regional scene.

2057
01:33:05,200 --> 01:33:06,920
Speaker 3: That's a common example I go to. I used to

2058
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:08,839
Speaker 3: see a lot of guys come off the regional scene

2059
01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:11,599
Speaker 3: and they would have ten wins, ten first round KOs,

2060
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:13,400
Speaker 3: and everyone would be like, this guy's amazing, and I'd

2061
01:33:13,439 --> 01:33:16,000
Speaker 3: be like, well, he's clearly good. But what that also

2062
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:18,760
Speaker 3: tells you he just hasn't fought anybody yet until you've

2063
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:21,840
Speaker 3: seen Bo Nickel hit the second round, third round. If

2064
01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:24,200
Speaker 3: that comes to it, fourth and fifth, until you've seen

2065
01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:26,960
Speaker 3: him hurt, until you've seen him against decorated striker, decorated,

2066
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:29,240
Speaker 3: another wrestler, some kind of guy who's got good attacks

2067
01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:31,240
Speaker 3: in the back, some kind of guard player, whatever, all

2068
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:33,679
Speaker 3: the different permutations that you have to go up against.

2069
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:36,679
Speaker 3: Until that's been audited, we simply don't know what to say.

2070
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:39,479
Speaker 3: But from what it looks like, it looks like he's

2071
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:42,080
Speaker 3: a natural for this. It looks like his ability to

2072
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:45,440
Speaker 3: translate his game from wrestling to MMA has been effortless,

2073
01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:48,080
Speaker 3: and his ability to play catch up with the other

2074
01:33:48,120 --> 01:33:53,240
Speaker 3: departments like striking and jiu jitsu has been shockingly seamless.

2075
01:33:53,479 --> 01:33:55,679
Speaker 1: As he ties, this is what.

2076
01:33:55,560 --> 01:33:59,800
Speaker 3: We've seen, his ability to combine things so quickly, so effortlessly,

2077
01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:02,920
Speaker 3: punch into tickdown into triangle like this.

2078
01:34:03,720 --> 01:34:06,760
Speaker 2: That's an understanding of the game. Yeah, it's a next

2079
01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:10,679
Speaker 2: level understanding mixed with somebody who's a physical freak, has

2080
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:14,759
Speaker 2: the experience mentally at the highest level of winning and losing.

2081
01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:17,680
Speaker 2: Like you know, I mean, they showed it unembedded, but

2082
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:20,960
Speaker 2: it's like you take into totality his actual achievements. First

2083
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:23,120
Speaker 2: of all, he wrestled under Keil Sanderson, which pretty badass.

2084
01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:26,519
Speaker 2: Forgot about that part. But he won three individual national

2085
01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:30,639
Speaker 2: championships and led Penn State to four national championships during

2086
01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:33,360
Speaker 2: his four years. They're like, damn, Luke, and you know

2087
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:36,920
Speaker 2: they talk about he's one main event wrestling matches in

2088
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:39,799
Speaker 2: front of crowds of fifteen twenty thousand people. He's ready,

2089
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:42,040
Speaker 2: He's ready for this level and the quick shout out

2090
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:45,759
Speaker 2: to my neighbor, Luke speaking of wrestling accomplishments, Jonah Weber

2091
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:48,400
Speaker 2: a state champion at one hundred and forty three pounds

2092
01:34:48,439 --> 01:34:51,000
Speaker 2: and led my kids high school to their state to

2093
01:34:51,080 --> 01:34:53,840
Speaker 2: the state title as well in wrestling. Shout out there, Yeah,

2094
01:34:53,880 --> 01:34:54,680
Speaker 2: all right, there you go.

2095
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:57,360
Speaker 3: All right, b see how many kids are going to

2096
01:34:57,400 --> 01:34:59,559
Speaker 3: be in your son's graduating class.

2097
01:35:01,479 --> 01:35:04,880
Speaker 2: I think it's around between one hundred and fifty and

2098
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:05,400
Speaker 2: two hundred.

2099
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:07,519
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a small high school.

2100
01:35:08,120 --> 01:35:10,080
Speaker 2: Well it's a mid sized high school here in Knneckut.

2101
01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:13,000
Speaker 2: My graduating class was like three fifty ish and that

2102
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:15,760
Speaker 2: was considered a large double l you know, double what

2103
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:16,639
Speaker 2: like large school?

2104
01:35:17,240 --> 01:35:17,479
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2105
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:19,280
Speaker 3: Mine was five mine was five hundred. I guess I

2106
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:20,360
Speaker 3: had a big one.

2107
01:35:20,680 --> 01:35:23,479
Speaker 2: All right, Well, George is heavily populated, Luke, in that

2108
01:35:23,560 --> 01:35:25,040
Speaker 2: area of suburban Atlanta.

2109
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:26,719
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, it certainly is. They put the stadium

2110
01:35:26,760 --> 01:35:27,479
Speaker 1: out there, all.

2111
01:35:27,439 --> 01:35:29,760
Speaker 3: Right, BC, let's quickly go through the rest of the

2112
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:31,160
Speaker 3: car that we won't have to spend a whole lot

2113
01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:32,320
Speaker 3: of time on them. But I just want to touch

2114
01:35:32,360 --> 01:35:35,040
Speaker 3: it for today's special it's such a special card. It's

2115
01:35:35,080 --> 01:35:38,040
Speaker 3: a special event, and let's get through it here very quickly.

2116
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:38,240
Speaker 1: BC.

2117
01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:41,719
Speaker 3: Cody Garbrandt is back against Trevin Jones. He's a minus

2118
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:45,040
Speaker 3: one sixty five favorite over Jones. Okay, it's a fight

2119
01:35:45,080 --> 01:35:47,519
Speaker 3: he can win. I acknowledge, especially because of his He's

2120
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:50,040
Speaker 3: actually got good defensive wrestling and he is a good athlete.

2121
01:35:50,760 --> 01:35:53,040
Speaker 3: But ah, this is a if Cody Carbrett can't beat

2122
01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:54,960
Speaker 3: a guy who's kind of like he's tailor made to beat,

2123
01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:57,120
Speaker 3: I don't know who he can beat, you know, right, And.

2124
01:35:57,479 --> 01:35:59,679
Speaker 2: Thirty two year old Trevan Jones is riding a three

2125
01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:02,400
Speaker 2: fight losing streaks, so you know, should he lose here,

2126
01:36:02,439 --> 01:36:04,920
Speaker 2: who knows if he's employed. But we're at that level.

2127
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:07,280
Speaker 2: It's the same narrative, only it's a little bit more

2128
01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:10,479
Speaker 2: not desperate, but little I don't know, like the you know,

2129
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:12,439
Speaker 2: it's it's now or never it really is. It used

2130
01:36:12,479 --> 01:36:15,040
Speaker 2: to be could Cody Brandt Garbrandt get back to the

2131
01:36:15,080 --> 01:36:17,680
Speaker 2: title level. Then it was you know, you know, it

2132
01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:18,920
Speaker 2: was a couple of things. There was a lot of

2133
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:20,400
Speaker 2: questions is he ever gonna be able to be in

2134
01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:23,040
Speaker 2: any fight with the chin? And there was the moving

2135
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:25,760
Speaker 2: down in wait experiment, which which you know, you understand it,

2136
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:28,800
Speaker 2: but it was it felt aggressive and somewhat desperate. Now

2137
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:31,400
Speaker 2: it's basically the last stop and and I don't know

2138
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:34,320
Speaker 2: for sure if there if it means there's no future

2139
01:36:34,360 --> 01:36:37,719
Speaker 2: for him if he loses here. But if he can't

2140
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:41,919
Speaker 2: come out Luke and change in his style or something,

2141
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:44,320
Speaker 2: there's something's got to change here, because if it's just

2142
01:36:44,640 --> 01:36:47,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna rely on my power and get into situations

2143
01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:48,880
Speaker 2: where I can be hit, and then when I'm hit,

2144
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:52,280
Speaker 2: it goes downhill fast because the punch resistance is just

2145
01:36:52,360 --> 01:36:55,120
Speaker 2: not there. And also it changes him, Luke getting hit

2146
01:36:55,240 --> 01:36:58,599
Speaker 2: turns him into a brawler. It's gotta be I mean, look,

2147
01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:02,040
Speaker 2: show the Flashes against Pedro Munoz, was that the guy

2148
01:37:02,120 --> 01:37:04,280
Speaker 2: knocked out Luca or no was Alsen sal That's who

2149
01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:07,080
Speaker 2: it was. Showed the Flashes against US sonsa with with

2150
01:37:07,080 --> 01:37:09,439
Speaker 2: with like, Okay, if he's gonna be a little bit

2151
01:37:09,479 --> 01:37:13,320
Speaker 2: more the powerful sniping counterpuncher here, this could be a

2152
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:16,479
Speaker 2: little bit different because the athleticism still seems to be there,

2153
01:37:16,479 --> 01:37:19,599
Speaker 2: some of the timing still seems to be there. Yeah,

2154
01:37:19,640 --> 01:37:21,679
Speaker 2: but dude his but if you get if you get

2155
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:24,000
Speaker 2: caught in, if you get caught against Trevin Jones and

2156
01:37:24,040 --> 01:37:26,439
Speaker 2: you get hurt, it's over, Luke, It's over.

2157
01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:27,120
Speaker 7: Yeah.

2158
01:37:27,200 --> 01:37:29,240
Speaker 3: He reminds me a lot of Dominic rays, Like you

2159
01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:32,040
Speaker 3: start getting your jawjack that way, you can't get it back.

2160
01:37:32,120 --> 01:37:34,160
Speaker 3: And it's not just that you can't deal with the

2161
01:37:34,160 --> 01:37:37,479
Speaker 3: punishment anymore. It changes your game because you're you're hesitant

2162
01:37:37,560 --> 01:37:39,479
Speaker 3: about it. It's just hard to come back from that.

2163
01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:42,839
Speaker 3: BC plus two hundred Derek Brunson taking on a minus

2164
01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:47,240
Speaker 3: two forty drickis duples. See dricis very physical, very active,

2165
01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:51,160
Speaker 3: bit spazy. Brunson has been much better of late in general,

2166
01:37:52,280 --> 01:37:54,599
Speaker 3: but he here is the underdog. I'm a little surprised

2167
01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:56,639
Speaker 3: that he's that heavy of one, To be honest with you.

2168
01:37:56,600 --> 01:37:58,800
Speaker 2: Well, I think he should be given on the trajectories

2169
01:37:58,840 --> 01:38:00,639
Speaker 2: of their career. It's not that Brunton still can't pull

2170
01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:04,200
Speaker 2: out a big VET veteran win here. It's just that

2171
01:38:04,280 --> 01:38:08,719
Speaker 2: we saw recently the oh crap, you know, Brunson looks

2172
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:11,360
Speaker 2: like Cisco now and blond Brunson is making a run.

2173
01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:13,280
Speaker 2: He made that run in the in the run seemed

2174
01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:16,400
Speaker 2: to hit a ceiling. So he can pull this off.

2175
01:38:16,479 --> 01:38:19,800
Speaker 2: And there's certainly potential for holes in Duplesses game that

2176
01:38:19,840 --> 01:38:22,160
Speaker 2: can be exposed. I mean he looke. Would you say

2177
01:38:22,160 --> 01:38:24,320
Speaker 2: he kind of fights like a meathead? Is that an insult? Oh?

2178
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:27,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, not at all. I mean he fights the century,

2179
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:27,479
Speaker 1: I'll give him.

2180
01:38:27,479 --> 01:38:29,040
Speaker 3: I mean, you don't want to demean it because he

2181
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:31,640
Speaker 3: does fight with legitimate intensity and that actually and he

2182
01:38:31,640 --> 01:38:32,000
Speaker 3: can get you.

2183
01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:34,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah right, and he can and he's willing to

2184
01:38:34,680 --> 01:38:37,600
Speaker 2: take punishment. But what you like about this matchup is

2185
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:41,040
Speaker 2: that Brunson certainly has his game. But dude, he could

2186
01:38:41,080 --> 01:38:42,760
Speaker 2: take this fight to the ground. And what's that going

2187
01:38:42,840 --> 01:38:44,680
Speaker 2: to look like? Luke? If that's a consistent theme here,

2188
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:45,360
Speaker 2: I want to find.

2189
01:38:45,240 --> 01:38:48,360
Speaker 3: Out uh at plus one ten Vivian and I want

2190
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:49,720
Speaker 3: to us pronounce the name because I know I've been

2191
01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:50,400
Speaker 3: doing it at.

2192
01:38:50,280 --> 01:38:51,559
Speaker 1: A Ujo taking.

2193
01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:57,000
Speaker 3: Can we just Sayujo final Sayujo your arial request. Taking

2194
01:38:57,040 --> 01:39:01,240
Speaker 3: on Amanda Hebas at minus one thirty pc. Rusho's tough

2195
01:39:01,240 --> 01:39:05,000
Speaker 3: customer and he boss. She's talented, but a little bit hittable.

2196
01:39:05,080 --> 01:39:09,479
Speaker 2: This is tough fight, probably, Yeah, with Amanda Hebas first

2197
01:39:09,479 --> 01:39:12,040
Speaker 2: of all nine years. I don't know, at twenty nine

2198
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:14,360
Speaker 2: years old. I'm not panicking here, even though she's lost

2199
01:39:14,439 --> 01:39:17,000
Speaker 2: two or three. But you know, each loss was against

2200
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:20,960
Speaker 2: an elite fighter in two separate divisions. Marina Rodriguez at strawweight,

2201
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:24,920
Speaker 2: which which ended that wind streak that Amanda came out

2202
01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:26,920
Speaker 2: with to start her UFC career at four in a row,

2203
01:39:27,240 --> 01:39:29,840
Speaker 2: and then after getting the decision went over Joan drey Rova,

2204
01:39:30,120 --> 01:39:32,400
Speaker 2: she goes to Flyway it takes like Kitle Chukegan in

2205
01:39:32,439 --> 01:39:36,280
Speaker 2: a very key positioning fight and loses that by split decision. Luke,

2206
01:39:36,320 --> 01:39:39,599
Speaker 2: these losses aren't disastrous, although you know, she was stopped

2207
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:42,439
Speaker 2: against Marina Rodriguez and that was shocking because that's not

2208
01:39:42,479 --> 01:39:47,240
Speaker 2: necessarily Hadriguez's game. But I haven't figured out yet through

2209
01:39:47,280 --> 01:39:50,360
Speaker 2: these sample sizes, what is the best division for her

2210
01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:54,320
Speaker 2: physically and whether there's there's certainly still time for a

2211
01:39:54,360 --> 01:39:57,519
Speaker 2: major turn, but the major turn does have to happen now, Luke.

2212
01:39:57,560 --> 01:40:00,840
Speaker 2: We've always liked her game, We've always loved her attitude.

2213
01:40:01,120 --> 01:40:03,679
Speaker 2: You know, she's a true fighter, but just a joy

2214
01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:06,000
Speaker 2: to behold in the sunshine she brings and she's a

2215
01:40:06,040 --> 01:40:10,240
Speaker 2: great interview all that. Nobody dislikes Amanda hebas. But this

2216
01:40:10,439 --> 01:40:13,240
Speaker 2: is the time, Luke, to make that move to round

2217
01:40:13,240 --> 01:40:15,880
Speaker 2: out the skills, to eliminate the mistakes, to figure out

2218
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:18,200
Speaker 2: what division works best. Do you feel like one twenty

2219
01:40:18,240 --> 01:40:20,840
Speaker 2: five is the best division for her? She's still a

2220
01:40:20,880 --> 01:40:23,080
Speaker 2: top ten fighter right now. This is a this is

2221
01:40:23,120 --> 01:40:26,160
Speaker 2: a fight that could elevate her. But I haven't been

2222
01:40:26,240 --> 01:40:29,479
Speaker 2: overly impressed the last couple fights that a future run

2223
01:40:29,479 --> 01:40:33,280
Speaker 2: as a title contender is actually there, like the flashes

2224
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:35,800
Speaker 2: were there early, but there's been some humbling. How do

2225
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:37,639
Speaker 2: you how do you change that? How do you flip

2226
01:40:37,680 --> 01:40:38,200
Speaker 2: that script?

2227
01:40:40,040 --> 01:40:42,960
Speaker 3: You have to get better, you have to be a

2228
01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:45,920
Speaker 3: better fighter than you were. I don't I also agree.

2229
01:40:45,960 --> 01:40:47,559
Speaker 3: I don't think what twenty five is a great place.

2230
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:50,400
Speaker 3: I think one fifteen is probably better. Way couldn't you know?

2231
01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:52,720
Speaker 3: She might have a different perspective on that, But I

2232
01:40:52,760 --> 01:40:55,320
Speaker 3: just think it's surprising what you see a lot of

2233
01:40:55,400 --> 01:40:58,639
Speaker 3: judo athletes, they're usually real physical in the clinch. They're

2234
01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:01,280
Speaker 3: usually real physical with tie up. Her hard nosed because

2235
01:41:01,320 --> 01:41:04,080
Speaker 3: that sport is fucking brutal at the highest level, and

2236
01:41:04,120 --> 01:41:07,360
Speaker 3: she actually achieved a respectable level in there. But when

2237
01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:09,040
Speaker 3: she locks up, I just don't see it that way.

2238
01:41:09,040 --> 01:41:11,479
Speaker 3: In MMA, it's kind of funny. So I just feel

2239
01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:13,960
Speaker 3: like she has to keep growing, just get better. We'll

2240
01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:15,880
Speaker 3: see if this is the one B see. The rest

2241
01:41:15,880 --> 01:41:17,320
Speaker 3: of the card is so so there's a couple of

2242
01:41:17,320 --> 01:41:19,880
Speaker 3: things that stand out after that. How about A plus

2243
01:41:19,880 --> 01:41:23,639
Speaker 3: one ninety Jessica Penney taken on Tabitha Ricci minus two thirty. Boy,

2244
01:41:23,680 --> 01:41:26,920
Speaker 3: Pennae has had a lot of ups and downs, but

2245
01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:29,720
Speaker 3: I think it's a good test for Ricci in the

2246
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 3: sense that I just don't know what Penny has over

2247
01:41:33,439 --> 01:41:37,360
Speaker 3: Ricci at this point. Better ground game maybe maybe something

2248
01:41:37,439 --> 01:41:39,360
Speaker 3: like that. But on the feet, I think she's gonna

2249
01:41:39,360 --> 01:41:39,960
Speaker 3: get tuned up.

2250
01:41:40,360 --> 01:41:43,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Penney's coming off a loss which snapped her win streak,

2251
01:41:43,200 --> 01:41:44,920
Speaker 2: but she's forty years old, and we know the time

2252
01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:46,559
Speaker 2: off she had with Usada and all that. I think

2253
01:41:46,600 --> 01:41:48,840
Speaker 2: it's just good that she's back and still a tough

2254
01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:50,920
Speaker 2: out but I feel like this is a This is

2255
01:41:50,920 --> 01:41:53,639
Speaker 2: to find out if Tabitha Ricci can make some moves here, Luke,

2256
01:41:53,680 --> 01:41:55,320
Speaker 2: And the only loss she's had in her career up

2257
01:41:55,360 --> 01:41:57,880
Speaker 2: to this point was a stoppage one again again's a

2258
01:41:57,880 --> 01:41:59,680
Speaker 2: good name too. Do you remember who who she fought there?

2259
01:41:59,720 --> 01:42:01,480
Speaker 1: And that's up Ti.

2260
01:42:01,760 --> 01:42:03,960
Speaker 3: I think it was either it was either Blanchefield or

2261
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:05,960
Speaker 3: Maverick or or it was Oh Farah.

2262
01:42:06,680 --> 01:42:09,280
Speaker 2: It was two fights. There was three fights ago against

2263
01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:11,479
Speaker 2: minol Pharoh and she's bounced back. I mean, look, I

2264
01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:13,559
Speaker 2: don't look at her as a finishing threat, something that

2265
01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:16,240
Speaker 2: could could slow her down at the highest levels. But

2266
01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:18,679
Speaker 2: she she has had a lot of fights fall apart

2267
01:42:18,720 --> 01:42:21,760
Speaker 2: as well. But this is a good close up opportunity

2268
01:42:21,800 --> 01:42:23,880
Speaker 2: for her against a veteran opponent that I feel like

2269
01:42:23,960 --> 01:42:25,760
Speaker 2: she should be. But you got to go out there

2270
01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:27,240
Speaker 2: and look impressive. If you just go out there and

2271
01:42:27,280 --> 01:42:30,120
Speaker 2: win a decision and it's close, we're gonna know you

2272
01:42:30,120 --> 01:42:32,320
Speaker 2: know what you're meant for in this division long term.

2273
01:42:32,360 --> 01:42:36,800
Speaker 2: But Luke in the preliminary and the featured early preliminary

2274
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:39,280
Speaker 2: about should we be talking more about Ian Gary here?

2275
01:42:40,280 --> 01:42:43,639
Speaker 1: Not really? Not yet? No, not yet. I like Ian Gary.

2276
01:42:43,680 --> 01:42:45,719
Speaker 3: I don't have anything bad to say about Ian Gary,

2277
01:42:45,800 --> 01:42:47,639
Speaker 3: but I do think he is still very much wet

2278
01:42:47,640 --> 01:42:50,960
Speaker 3: behind the ears, and I think there's a lot of people,

2279
01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:54,720
Speaker 3: because he is talented and he's irish, that there's a

2280
01:42:54,720 --> 01:42:57,240
Speaker 3: lot of people pushing him to the front before he's ready.

2281
01:42:57,880 --> 01:42:59,680
Speaker 3: I this is a good fight. He should win us

2282
01:42:59,680 --> 01:43:03,040
Speaker 3: against Song, but I really really really believe we should

2283
01:43:03,040 --> 01:43:05,280
Speaker 3: pump the brakes on him, give him time to develop.

2284
01:43:05,479 --> 01:43:07,720
Speaker 3: He's on his way, but people want him to be

2285
01:43:07,800 --> 01:43:09,040
Speaker 3: readier than he is.

2286
01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:12,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, ten and Oero won all three UFC fights, but

2287
01:43:12,720 --> 01:43:14,719
Speaker 2: was he twenty five? Still very young in rising?

2288
01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:16,439
Speaker 1: So young? Give him time, guys.

2289
01:43:16,760 --> 01:43:18,439
Speaker 3: The one that also stands out to me lastly on

2290
01:43:18,479 --> 01:43:20,920
Speaker 3: this one BBC Farid Basharat. This is the brother of

2291
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:24,760
Speaker 3: Javid Basharat taking onto mont Blackshear. Basharat is good as

2292
01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:28,439
Speaker 3: well as his brother minus five point fifty black shehear

2293
01:43:28,479 --> 01:43:30,160
Speaker 3: plus three forty Basharat should role here.

2294
01:43:30,160 --> 01:43:31,600
Speaker 1: He's extremely talented.

2295
01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:34,600
Speaker 2: All right. If I'm Amanda, heboss luke my motivation in

2296
01:43:34,640 --> 01:43:37,880
Speaker 2: this fight, though, Try to get the type of performance

2297
01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:42,200
Speaker 2: that'll get my dad to tattoo it on his other forearm.

2298
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:44,400
Speaker 1: Maybe get a good tattoo this time you.

2299
01:43:44,520 --> 01:43:46,519
Speaker 2: Now, Luke, would you what would you? What would you

2300
01:43:46,600 --> 01:43:50,320
Speaker 2: think of my morals and ethics? If I was like, hey, Luke,

2301
01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:52,559
Speaker 2: I finally got my first tattoo. And you know what,

2302
01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:55,680
Speaker 2: it's a cleaner version of what mister Hebos had, But

2303
01:43:55,720 --> 01:43:59,600
Speaker 2: it's still you know Amanda submitting spitfire, whitmyer. You know

2304
01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:02,559
Speaker 2: what if I stold the same you know, theme and design,

2305
01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:03,599
Speaker 2: would you think.

2306
01:44:03,640 --> 01:44:05,599
Speaker 3: As long as the tattoo was good, I wouldn't say anything.

2307
01:44:05,600 --> 01:44:06,799
Speaker 3: I'd be like, all right, it's good tattoo.

2308
01:44:07,400 --> 01:44:08,280
Speaker 1: It's your body.

2309
01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:10,680
Speaker 2: Take a picture. It lasts longer, right, put it on

2310
01:44:10,720 --> 01:44:11,320
Speaker 2: your skin, Luke?

2311
01:44:11,360 --> 01:44:13,840
Speaker 1: You know? There you go? Uh, that's it. That's the

2312
01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:18,040
Speaker 1: top six for us right here, oh ubc all right.

2313
01:44:18,040 --> 01:44:21,200
Speaker 2: We close Wednesday show each week by offering you a

2314
01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:25,360
Speaker 2: chance through our email address which is worn in combat

2315
01:44:25,400 --> 01:44:29,280
Speaker 2: at gmail dot com and our intrepid producer Mikey Mormol

2316
01:44:29,320 --> 01:44:32,160
Speaker 2: on the other end of that that dark hole to

2317
01:44:32,240 --> 01:44:36,280
Speaker 2: receive your shit. Right, and it's not the heat. Well,

2318
01:44:36,280 --> 01:44:38,479
Speaker 2: I haven't gotten to it yet, Luke. Okay, you trust

2319
01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:39,000
Speaker 2: speed me up?

2320
01:44:39,520 --> 01:44:40,080
Speaker 1: Yeah a little?

2321
01:44:40,479 --> 01:44:43,360
Speaker 2: All right, So we offer you the chance on Wednesdays

2322
01:44:43,400 --> 01:44:47,040
Speaker 2: to send in your fansubmissions, play the graphic. Thanks, you've

2323
01:44:47,080 --> 01:44:51,240
Speaker 2: got mail, feures.

2324
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Speaker 6: Yes.

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01:44:51,880 --> 01:44:56,000
Speaker 2: Scaffierre on that little sound drop there of the viewers.

2326
01:44:56,600 --> 01:44:59,000
Speaker 2: All right, Mikey says they're good. Luke that we challenged

2327
01:44:59,040 --> 01:45:01,120
Speaker 2: the crowd to step it up. He says, they're good.

2328
01:45:01,120 --> 01:45:03,599
Speaker 2: We're gonna find out right here right now. We lead

2329
01:45:03,640 --> 01:45:06,280
Speaker 2: off with Andy, who says, hey, Luke in BC. After

2330
01:45:06,400 --> 01:45:09,719
Speaker 2: showing out for m K at two eighty three in Rio,

2331
01:45:10,040 --> 01:45:12,439
Speaker 2: I decided to stay in South America to spread the

2332
01:45:12,479 --> 01:45:18,640
Speaker 2: good word. Here I am in Iguazu Falls, Argentina. The

2333
01:45:18,680 --> 01:45:24,040
Speaker 2: next pick is Punta del Este, Luke right there.

2334
01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:31,760
Speaker 3: I knew you were gonna do that, Luy, Luke.

2335
01:45:31,840 --> 01:45:34,559
Speaker 2: I'm I'll gringo it for you. It's Uruguay. Okay, looke,

2336
01:45:34,600 --> 01:45:39,120
Speaker 2: that's what it is, all right. And finally Jachina Pedu

2337
01:45:39,360 --> 01:45:42,040
Speaker 2: Luke right here there, and then with the spidifucker went

2338
01:45:42,120 --> 01:45:45,519
Speaker 2: to Peru. Now, yes he did, right now, he says.

2339
01:45:46,439 --> 01:45:49,559
Speaker 1: In deep ship. That's a that's a strange place to go.

2340
01:45:49,640 --> 01:45:51,880
Speaker 2: Visit right now, Well, Andy says, I may or may

2341
01:45:51,880 --> 01:45:54,439
Speaker 2: not have wiped out on a sandboard, but do not worry.

2342
01:45:54,439 --> 01:45:57,479
Speaker 2: The merch is still in pristine indition, which is a

2343
01:45:57,520 --> 01:45:59,920
Speaker 2: testament to the quality of the materials and reason enough

2344
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:02,960
Speaker 2: or anyone who has not bought to someone to already

2345
01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:06,320
Speaker 2: do so. More updates to come. Cheers from Andy Turner

2346
01:46:06,560 --> 01:46:10,439
Speaker 2: and PS. A merch plug that smooth is worth at

2347
01:46:10,560 --> 01:46:13,240
Speaker 2: least a ten percent commission off future sales.

2348
01:46:13,320 --> 01:46:16,719
Speaker 3: Right, I don't know, not when you've shaved your beard

2349
01:46:16,760 --> 01:46:18,800
Speaker 3: after smearing shit on Nancy Pelosi's desk.

2350
01:46:18,960 --> 01:46:20,360
Speaker 1: That guy is, that's why he's in Peru.

2351
01:46:21,200 --> 01:46:23,880
Speaker 2: And he says, PS number two, could you please give

2352
01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:26,280
Speaker 2: a shout out to my twin bro and fellow donk

2353
01:46:26,720 --> 01:46:31,439
Speaker 2: Chris Turner, whose presence you had the honor of being

2354
01:46:31,479 --> 01:46:35,840
Speaker 2: in at the London show last month. Yeah, alrighty, these

2355
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:37,000
Speaker 2: guys are world travelers.

2356
01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:38,679
Speaker 1: Which one was he? Did we meet him?

2357
01:46:39,280 --> 01:46:41,360
Speaker 2: He says, we did? You know? Maybe he was that

2358
01:46:41,439 --> 01:46:43,800
Speaker 2: really weird guy looked that we met. Maybe maybe, but

2359
01:46:43,840 --> 01:46:46,720
Speaker 2: it was nice. Nice to meet the family there, all right, Hey,

2360
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:48,679
Speaker 2: let's go to Sean Shawn from Dublin.

2361
01:46:48,720 --> 01:46:48,840
Speaker 5: Here.

2362
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:51,559
Speaker 2: He says, Hey, guys, I'm from Ireland. A bit late

2363
01:46:51,640 --> 01:46:54,599
Speaker 2: sending this in, but wanted to shout out my wife Jen. Hey,

2364
01:46:54,640 --> 01:46:56,680
Speaker 2: I'll shout her out too right. That's my you know,

2365
01:46:56,840 --> 01:47:00,120
Speaker 2: all right? Ben a fan since Luke's old live chat

2366
01:47:00,200 --> 01:47:02,479
Speaker 2: days where it looked like he was being held hostage

2367
01:47:02,520 --> 01:47:05,200
Speaker 2: for the recordings, and I never missed an episode. My

2368
01:47:05,240 --> 01:47:07,360
Speaker 2: wife is a casual MMA fan and is forced to

2369
01:47:07,400 --> 01:47:09,360
Speaker 2: listen to you guys three times a week when I

2370
01:47:09,400 --> 01:47:11,720
Speaker 2: have you on around the house. However, every week she

2371
01:47:11,800 --> 01:47:14,040
Speaker 2: does sit down and watch have you seen this shit?

2372
01:47:14,640 --> 01:47:17,400
Speaker 2: She thinks you lads are hilarious and was really impressed

2373
01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:20,320
Speaker 2: with your coverage of the Dana White domestic abuse story

2374
01:47:20,560 --> 01:47:23,160
Speaker 2: for Christmas just gone. She surprised me with my own

2375
01:47:23,200 --> 01:47:26,839
Speaker 2: pair of MK boxers. We are expecting our first child

2376
01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:30,840
Speaker 2: in June and Jen has been absolutely amazing. Thanks for

2377
01:47:30,920 --> 01:47:33,880
Speaker 2: all the effort you put in. Thanks Luke, ps for

2378
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:37,759
Speaker 2: always keeping Brian in check with his shockingly ignorant takes

2379
01:47:37,760 --> 01:47:41,439
Speaker 2: on the relationship between Ireland and the UK. All the

2380
01:47:41,439 --> 01:47:45,360
Speaker 2: best from Dublin. It's Sean Kelly, Luke. Wow. Congratulations to

2381
01:47:45,400 --> 01:47:46,200
Speaker 2: the Kellys.

2382
01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:48,280
Speaker 1: Right, Congratulations to the Kellyes, Yes.

2383
01:47:48,240 --> 01:47:50,759
Speaker 2: See this community we built, Luke. I mean little Anthony

2384
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:53,720
Speaker 2: and his beautiful wife are gonna probably name their first

2385
01:47:53,800 --> 01:47:56,280
Speaker 2: kid Morning Combat, probably Luke right or at least Pennington

2386
01:47:56,360 --> 01:47:58,280
Speaker 2: James one of the two. And look at Sean and

2387
01:47:58,360 --> 01:48:01,519
Speaker 2: Jen here. She puts up with us because she loves him, Luke.

2388
01:48:01,960 --> 01:48:04,439
Speaker 3: A lot of women in our orbit not because they

2389
01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:06,559
Speaker 3: like us, but because they like the men that like us,

2390
01:48:06,600 --> 01:48:09,200
Speaker 3: and therefore put up with us, much like my marriage.

2391
01:48:08,920 --> 01:48:09,559
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

2392
01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:12,960
Speaker 2: Indeed, indeed, hey, Luke, the next one is Gregory d.

2393
01:48:13,160 --> 01:48:15,000
Speaker 2: You know this guy, the truck driver with the beard,

2394
01:48:15,080 --> 01:48:17,840
Speaker 2: the powerlifter. He's a veteran. You knowil this guy, right,

2395
01:48:18,360 --> 01:48:20,400
Speaker 2: he says, Hey, Luke. In BC, I was stoked to

2396
01:48:20,400 --> 01:48:22,720
Speaker 2: see the new merch come out, so I grabbed a

2397
01:48:22,760 --> 01:48:24,400
Speaker 2: new shirt. I was out on the road when it

2398
01:48:24,439 --> 01:48:26,960
Speaker 2: came out. In fact, I drove more than twenty five

2399
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:31,160
Speaker 2: hundred miles to Connecticut to have some orange Chicken with BC. Now, look,

2400
01:48:31,200 --> 01:48:33,479
Speaker 2: I did not we didn't like meet up or anything

2401
01:48:33,479 --> 01:48:36,160
Speaker 2: that didn't happen, but I did. I was following his journey.

2402
01:48:36,640 --> 01:48:38,120
Speaker 2: I think he lives on the West coast, and he

2403
01:48:38,200 --> 01:48:40,640
Speaker 2: drove an eighteen wheeler all the way to through Connecticut

2404
01:48:40,680 --> 01:48:44,200
Speaker 2: and Maine. Not bad, right, but looks we need these.

2405
01:48:44,439 --> 01:48:46,720
Speaker 2: Let's let's keep the trucker safe out there on the road, Luke,

2406
01:48:46,720 --> 01:48:50,120
Speaker 2: the world. This country needs them, he says, BC quite

2407
01:48:50,200 --> 01:48:52,519
Speaker 2: literally fled the country, which I guess is a smart

2408
01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:54,559
Speaker 2: move in the end, as I'm still on the run

2409
01:48:54,600 --> 01:48:57,320
Speaker 2: from Jen six. When I finally made it home after

2410
01:48:57,360 --> 01:48:59,559
Speaker 2: three weeks on the road, I threw on the new

2411
01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:02,280
Speaker 2: shirt and headed to the gym for leg day, having

2412
01:49:02,360 --> 01:49:05,639
Speaker 2: missed my eleventh wedding anniversary. Yes, I know, very surprising

2413
01:49:05,640 --> 01:49:07,760
Speaker 2: for someone who looks as washed as I do. I

2414
01:49:07,800 --> 01:49:11,400
Speaker 2: took my beautiful wife out for a wonderful, kidless evening.

2415
01:49:11,640 --> 01:49:14,480
Speaker 2: I threw on the MK jacket she got me for Christmas.

2416
01:49:14,960 --> 01:49:17,280
Speaker 2: She wouldn't let me wear the BC Hawaiian shirt sadly,

2417
01:49:17,760 --> 01:49:20,439
Speaker 2: but I yes. I carry my pistol and extra mags

2418
01:49:20,439 --> 01:49:23,479
Speaker 2: in a fanny pack. Over the last couple of years,

2419
01:49:23,800 --> 01:49:26,920
Speaker 2: she's come to truly enjoy MK, although she does joke

2420
01:49:26,960 --> 01:49:30,120
Speaker 2: about BC's choice of car every chance she gets. Hey,

2421
01:49:30,160 --> 01:49:34,320
Speaker 2: it's a manly orange Greg's wife. Thanks for all the content.

2422
01:49:34,439 --> 01:49:36,600
Speaker 2: It truly makes the hours of trucking go buy so

2423
01:49:36,680 --> 01:49:38,679
Speaker 2: much quicker. Luke, let me say a few things here. Okay,

2424
01:49:39,680 --> 01:49:42,520
Speaker 2: I love this guy. I don't know him. My grandfather

2425
01:49:42,640 --> 01:49:45,720
Speaker 2: was a trucker he's out here delivering goods on the road. Looke.

2426
01:49:46,200 --> 01:49:49,439
Speaker 2: He listens to MK to survive. He's a veteran, he's

2427
01:49:49,479 --> 01:49:52,799
Speaker 2: got a gross beard like yours. I salute this, gentleman,

2428
01:49:52,880 --> 01:49:55,439
Speaker 2: But what do you think about the firearms and the

2429
01:49:55,439 --> 01:49:57,439
Speaker 2: fanny pack? I mean, in the trucking world, a lot

2430
01:49:57,439 --> 01:49:58,120
Speaker 2: of pirates out there.

2431
01:49:58,280 --> 01:50:01,160
Speaker 3: You gotta be careful, right, Most of the people I

2432
01:50:01,240 --> 01:50:04,240
Speaker 3: know who are not law enforcement who carry weapons. And

2433
01:50:04,280 --> 01:50:05,840
Speaker 3: I do know a fair number of them because it's

2434
01:50:05,880 --> 01:50:08,519
Speaker 3: all the Marines I used to serve with. Not one

2435
01:50:08,520 --> 01:50:09,680
Speaker 3: of them needs to carry it.

2436
01:50:10,200 --> 01:50:11,519
Speaker 1: Not one of them.

2437
01:50:11,520 --> 01:50:13,400
Speaker 3: It's like, well, are you getting attacked by ninjas at

2438
01:50:13,439 --> 01:50:16,519
Speaker 3: fucking DGI Fridays? Leave that ship in the gun, Say fella,

2439
01:50:16,840 --> 01:50:17,360
Speaker 3: you don't need this.

2440
01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:20,280
Speaker 2: Right all right? What do you think Luke about him

2441
01:50:20,320 --> 01:50:22,800
Speaker 2: wearing an M K jacket out on his eleventh wedding

2442
01:50:22,840 --> 01:50:24,880
Speaker 2: anniversary night that he that he missed.

2443
01:50:24,920 --> 01:50:27,040
Speaker 3: Look sharp, looks shark sharp right there?

2444
01:50:27,080 --> 01:50:28,559
Speaker 2: All right? Thank you, Greg, We're a big.

2445
01:50:28,439 --> 01:50:28,800
Speaker 1: Fan of you.

2446
01:50:28,840 --> 01:50:31,719
Speaker 2: Thank you. Let's go to k Hey. This is KA again.

2447
01:50:32,040 --> 01:50:35,559
Speaker 2: I took this while in Sydney during their during the summer.

2448
01:50:35,840 --> 01:50:38,519
Speaker 2: Originally planned to take one in front of the Opera House,

2449
01:50:38,520 --> 01:50:40,880
Speaker 2: but it was way too hot. Also, seems like we're

2450
01:50:40,880 --> 01:50:43,639
Speaker 2: going to have a live show in Sweden before US

2451
01:50:43,680 --> 01:50:47,439
Speaker 2: East Coast donks get one. It's K well, Kay looking

2452
01:50:47,520 --> 01:50:49,240
Speaker 2: good in that in that bomber jacket.

2453
01:50:49,240 --> 01:50:52,200
Speaker 3: By the way, bro, we have got to go to Australia.

2454
01:50:52,439 --> 01:50:54,360
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know what we're doing. We need

2455
01:50:54,400 --> 01:50:56,639
Speaker 3: we need like a month off. That way we can

2456
01:50:56,680 --> 01:50:59,680
Speaker 3: go and do MK shows from Australia. Yeah, and then

2457
01:50:59,720 --> 01:51:01,439
Speaker 3: we can I'm back because I can't do it for

2458
01:51:01,479 --> 01:51:02,519
Speaker 3: like four days and then come back.

2459
01:51:02,560 --> 01:51:03,519
Speaker 1: I can't be doing that ship.

2460
01:51:03,560 --> 01:51:05,599
Speaker 2: But we can go hang out with the submission radio guys.

2461
01:51:05,640 --> 01:51:08,559
Speaker 1: Luke right, Yeah, where do they live Melbourne?

2462
01:51:09,280 --> 01:51:12,320
Speaker 2: Probably worn. Yeah, we'll go see some bear men like

2463
01:51:12,400 --> 01:51:14,679
Speaker 2: Eugene Luke will go, you know, we'll live the life

2464
01:51:14,680 --> 01:51:17,599
Speaker 2: down there. He's yeah, yeah, it's all the same Luke.

2465
01:51:17,600 --> 01:51:19,000
Speaker 2: In the end, Oh, what do you think about k

2466
01:51:19,240 --> 01:51:22,320
Speaker 2: saying that? When is the MK live show? Which you

2467
01:51:22,360 --> 01:51:24,639
Speaker 2: know MK originates from the East Coast. That's where I've

2468
01:51:24,840 --> 01:51:27,240
Speaker 2: you know, that's the womb Luke that I've been you know,

2469
01:51:27,360 --> 01:51:29,720
Speaker 2: shot out from. Why don't we do one in the

2470
01:51:29,760 --> 01:51:32,080
Speaker 2: northeast of the United States? Isn't that the easiest way

2471
01:51:32,120 --> 01:51:32,759
Speaker 2: we could do one?

2472
01:51:36,479 --> 01:51:39,120
Speaker 1: I mean New York count should.

2473
01:51:38,880 --> 01:51:40,759
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that that's that's the northeast.

2474
01:51:40,840 --> 01:51:43,280
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah right, I mean I'm not I just want

2475
01:51:43,280 --> 01:51:43,639
Speaker 1: to be clear.

2476
01:51:43,680 --> 01:51:47,200
Speaker 3: I'm not going to uh, you know, I'm not going

2477
01:51:47,240 --> 01:51:51,840
Speaker 3: to t Neck, New Jersey or Hartford, Connecticut to do it.

2478
01:51:51,880 --> 01:51:54,280
Speaker 3: I'm not going to ramshackle shitholes. I'm going to go

2479
01:51:54,360 --> 01:51:56,760
Speaker 3: to nice places, you know what I'm saying.

2480
01:51:57,040 --> 01:51:58,920
Speaker 2: You're like, I don't go to shitholes except for New

2481
01:51:59,000 --> 01:52:01,240
Speaker 2: Jersey City. But you're like, Okay, we'll go to Manhattan,

2482
01:52:01,240 --> 01:52:02,080
Speaker 2: New Jersey City.

2483
01:52:02,240 --> 01:52:04,240
Speaker 3: I looked up some of the rent prices on some

2484
01:52:04,320 --> 01:52:05,080
Speaker 3: of the new stuff.

2485
01:52:05,439 --> 01:52:06,280
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous.

2486
01:52:06,520 --> 01:52:09,240
Speaker 3: It's like seven thousand a month for two bedrooms.

2487
01:52:09,560 --> 01:52:11,040
Speaker 1: Seven grand a month.

2488
01:52:11,479 --> 01:52:12,559
Speaker 3: Who the fuck can afford that?

2489
01:52:13,160 --> 01:52:13,920
Speaker 9: Yeah?

2490
01:52:14,720 --> 01:52:14,960
Speaker 2: Who?

2491
01:52:15,200 --> 01:52:17,200
Speaker 1: Bankers, Bankers on Wall Street.

2492
01:52:17,560 --> 01:52:20,400
Speaker 2: Gangsters Yeah yeah, yeah, they want that Manhattan view.

2493
01:52:20,479 --> 01:52:20,799
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2494
01:52:20,880 --> 01:52:23,559
Speaker 2: Hey, let's hear from Mike from Melbourne. Hey, MK, team,

2495
01:52:23,600 --> 01:52:26,040
Speaker 2: I just finished watching the London live show on YouTube

2496
01:52:26,120 --> 01:52:27,960
Speaker 2: and I just want to say how amazing and fun

2497
01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:30,519
Speaker 2: a viewing experience it was. Everyone involved should be proud.

2498
01:52:30,800 --> 01:52:33,559
Speaker 2: I hope the success leads to more live shows. Now.

2499
01:52:33,600 --> 01:52:35,479
Speaker 2: I hope the dunks at home don't mind me getting

2500
01:52:35,479 --> 01:52:38,000
Speaker 2: a little deep. Get your mind out of the gutter, BC,

2501
01:52:38,479 --> 01:52:40,400
Speaker 2: but I just wanted to thank Luke BC and the

2502
01:52:40,439 --> 01:52:43,360
Speaker 2: whole MK crew for the hours of content you provided

2503
01:52:43,400 --> 01:52:46,439
Speaker 2: over the years. Unfortunately, my dad passed away unexpectedly a

2504
01:52:46,439 --> 01:52:48,240
Speaker 2: few months ago and it has been one of the

2505
01:52:48,280 --> 01:52:51,880
Speaker 2: most difficult things I have experienced. However, knowing that I

2506
01:52:51,920 --> 01:52:55,760
Speaker 2: have three episodes of MK a week, filled with breakdowns,

2507
01:52:55,840 --> 01:52:59,320
Speaker 2: laughs and technical difficulties has helped me out. I think

2508
01:52:59,320 --> 01:53:00,920
Speaker 2: I speak for me any of the donks when I

2509
01:53:00,960 --> 01:53:03,960
Speaker 2: say that MK helps you get through these tough times.

2510
01:53:04,280 --> 01:53:06,840
Speaker 2: As a small sign of my appreciation, I've created some

2511
01:53:07,000 --> 01:53:09,879
Speaker 2: merch designs for you guys to use if you wish.

2512
01:53:10,080 --> 01:53:13,200
Speaker 2: I've noticed the BC's Dad Rock vibes have leaked into

2513
01:53:13,280 --> 01:53:16,519
Speaker 2: MK's merch designs a little too frequently, so I wanted

2514
01:53:16,560 --> 01:53:18,800
Speaker 2: to create some graphics for the hip hop heads out

2515
01:53:18,800 --> 01:53:22,120
Speaker 2: there also. I have attached the design file to this

2516
01:53:22,200 --> 01:53:25,040
Speaker 2: email email so RJ fumblefingers.

2517
01:53:24,439 --> 01:53:25,639
Speaker 3: Well, I love that logo.

2518
01:53:26,200 --> 01:53:29,519
Speaker 2: It doesn't sweat too much. Yeah, I just want to

2519
01:53:29,520 --> 01:53:31,519
Speaker 2: say thank you for the whole crew. It's Mike from Melbourne,

2520
01:53:31,680 --> 01:53:33,920
Speaker 2: First of all, Luke, that's brilliant art design right there.

2521
01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:34,479
Speaker 2: That's great.

2522
01:53:34,680 --> 01:53:36,720
Speaker 3: I will say, first of all, I love it. My

2523
01:53:36,840 --> 01:53:39,280
Speaker 3: only complaint is it looks like it's morning combat.

2524
01:53:40,280 --> 01:53:41,840
Speaker 1: Yes, and combat, but I.

2525
01:53:41,760 --> 01:53:43,840
Speaker 3: Mean that could be that could be touched up also.

2526
01:53:43,960 --> 01:53:46,080
Speaker 3: At first that my my initial impression was like, why

2527
01:53:46,080 --> 01:53:47,720
Speaker 3: did he put a yamaca on me? But it's not

2528
01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:50,679
Speaker 3: as just a beanie, so I was a little confused.

2529
01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:52,960
Speaker 3: Here's my favorite part about it, BC and I being

2530
01:53:52,960 --> 01:53:59,599
Speaker 3: one serious, You have fucking got to get a dookie

2531
01:53:59,680 --> 01:54:02,720
Speaker 3: gold rope chain with a hot dog on it and

2532
01:54:02,840 --> 01:54:04,320
Speaker 3: wear it around.

2533
01:54:04,200 --> 01:54:06,360
Speaker 2: Like a rubber like a dog, like a dog chew

2534
01:54:06,360 --> 01:54:09,000
Speaker 2: hot dog that you can like squeeze and make like that.

2535
01:54:09,200 --> 01:54:11,599
Speaker 3: I'd be open to a number of interpretations, but I

2536
01:54:11,760 --> 01:54:12,200
Speaker 3: love it.

2537
01:54:12,800 --> 01:54:15,639
Speaker 2: How about an actual hot dog? Yeah, that's great too.

2538
01:54:15,720 --> 01:54:18,599
Speaker 2: That's great too. Uh, Luke, I want to just mention

2539
01:54:18,720 --> 01:54:21,519
Speaker 2: quick on Mike's sentiment because I get these are the

2540
01:54:21,520 --> 01:54:24,360
Speaker 2: These are the messages. Whether it's a DM from Donk

2541
01:54:24,479 --> 01:54:27,160
Speaker 2: or you know whatever somebody DMS me in real life,

2542
01:54:28,120 --> 01:54:31,160
Speaker 2: it's never this always is the thing that touches. Because Luke,

2543
01:54:31,200 --> 01:54:34,920
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest, Okay, We're not doctors, school teachers,

2544
01:54:35,360 --> 01:54:37,800
Speaker 2: you know, preachers, Like whatever job you think of that

2545
01:54:37,960 --> 01:54:43,320
Speaker 2: is like giving that is essentially giving back, helping the

2546
01:54:43,360 --> 01:54:44,840
Speaker 2: world be a better place, you know what I mean,

2547
01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:47,000
Speaker 2: the important jobs, Luke. And sometimes I struggle with that,

2548
01:54:47,040 --> 01:54:48,600
Speaker 2: Like what the hell am I doing? Am I just

2549
01:54:48,640 --> 01:54:51,360
Speaker 2: cashing these checks by telling bad jokes and getting to

2550
01:54:51,360 --> 01:54:53,040
Speaker 2: sit front row at fights? You know what I mean? Like,

2551
01:54:53,040 --> 01:54:54,720
Speaker 2: what what the hell am I doing? Luke? Yeah, I

2552
01:54:54,720 --> 01:54:58,920
Speaker 2: guess I am. But stuff like this to make me

2553
01:54:59,040 --> 01:55:03,360
Speaker 2: make us feel like like what we do could matter

2554
01:55:03,440 --> 01:55:05,720
Speaker 2: to somebody, not directly, because what are we doing. We're

2555
01:55:05,720 --> 01:55:08,560
Speaker 2: breaking down you know, arm locks and who has the

2556
01:55:08,560 --> 01:55:12,160
Speaker 2: biggest bulge? And you know, but it allows you, it

2557
01:55:12,200 --> 01:55:13,800
Speaker 2: does allow you, and it could be this show, it

2558
01:55:13,800 --> 01:55:16,880
Speaker 2: could be whatever your your your your outlet is to

2559
01:55:16,960 --> 01:55:19,720
Speaker 2: press pause on the on the on the realities of

2560
01:55:19,760 --> 01:55:22,760
Speaker 2: real life. But it touches me, Luke, when somebody says,

2561
01:55:23,320 --> 01:55:25,280
Speaker 2: when times are tough, I just put on the headphones

2562
01:55:25,280 --> 01:55:28,320
Speaker 2: and listen to BCNLT. And for that regard, Luke, I

2563
01:55:29,040 --> 01:55:31,560
Speaker 2: can't stop. Won't stop. Okay, I'm gonna do the longest,

2564
01:55:31,560 --> 01:55:35,520
Speaker 2: best shows we possibly can all the time, because you know,

2565
01:55:35,600 --> 01:55:38,520
Speaker 2: what Greg is sitting out in an eighteen wheeler driving

2566
01:55:38,520 --> 01:55:40,960
Speaker 2: across the country, helping our goods in this country move.

2567
01:55:41,040 --> 01:55:44,240
Speaker 2: And you know this guy's mourning as father and somebody

2568
01:55:44,280 --> 01:55:47,160
Speaker 2: else is something else going on, you know, Luke, We're

2569
01:55:47,160 --> 01:55:48,880
Speaker 2: just regular dudes at the end of the day, well

2570
01:55:48,920 --> 01:55:51,600
Speaker 2: paid regular dudes. But you know I know that pain.

2571
01:55:52,120 --> 01:55:55,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, And he and I are in the h He

2572
01:55:55,520 --> 01:55:57,600
Speaker 3: and I are in the unfortunate fraternity of having to

2573
01:55:57,640 --> 01:55:58,320
Speaker 3: bury a parent.

2574
01:55:59,000 --> 01:56:01,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, not fun. Not fun.

2575
01:56:01,440 --> 01:56:03,160
Speaker 3: You haven't joined that one yet, BC. It's not a

2576
01:56:03,160 --> 01:56:04,800
Speaker 3: great club, but I'll look to join.

2577
01:56:05,680 --> 01:56:06,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not.

2578
01:56:06,800 --> 01:56:08,680
Speaker 3: We wish you, we could keep you out forever, but

2579
01:56:08,760 --> 01:56:11,760
Speaker 3: unfortunately that's not the way things go. So I know

2580
01:56:11,800 --> 01:56:14,840
Speaker 3: that he's probably having an insanely difficult time, and I

2581
01:56:14,960 --> 01:56:18,680
Speaker 3: understand that on some level. But you will be better.

2582
01:56:18,840 --> 01:56:21,160
Speaker 3: It will get better. Not not listening to this show,

2583
01:56:21,200 --> 01:56:22,120
Speaker 3: but in general.

2584
01:56:21,920 --> 01:56:24,880
Speaker 2: Now, maybe our offensive jokes help people more. And Luke,

2585
01:56:25,360 --> 01:56:28,720
Speaker 2: unless you're the Ledger family, and yes, you know, Wednesday between.

2586
01:56:29,320 --> 01:56:31,400
Speaker 3: Hate mail about your jokes and I'm like, what the

2587
01:56:31,440 --> 01:56:33,040
Speaker 3: fuck do you want me to do about that?

2588
01:56:33,640 --> 01:56:35,480
Speaker 2: I think they want you to to ditch me, Luke,

2589
01:56:35,520 --> 01:56:37,960
Speaker 2: which they probably believe you should have done from the beginning.

2590
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:40,080
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, I got a lot of those candidly,

2591
01:56:40,120 --> 01:56:42,160
Speaker 3: but I just ignore him because I know better BC.

2592
01:56:43,080 --> 01:56:46,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's hear from Hurricane oug. He says

2593
01:56:46,400 --> 01:56:50,320
Speaker 2: this gif or jiff was, depending on your belief system,

2594
01:56:50,680 --> 01:56:53,520
Speaker 2: was inspired by remark Luke made on his live chat

2595
01:56:53,560 --> 01:56:56,560
Speaker 2: regarding the most recent Super Bowl halftime show. I'll give

2596
01:56:56,600 --> 01:56:59,400
Speaker 2: him Luke a chance to explain his stance on the

2597
01:56:59,440 --> 01:57:02,120
Speaker 2: matter while the rest of y'all enjoy my half asked

2598
01:57:02,240 --> 01:57:03,560
Speaker 2: art Luke, what is he talking about?

2599
01:57:04,200 --> 01:57:07,360
Speaker 3: Okay, so people aren't gonna act like, well, see, this

2600
01:57:07,440 --> 01:57:09,800
Speaker 3: is not quite This is funny but not quite fair.

2601
01:57:09,880 --> 01:57:12,640
Speaker 3: I actually don't have anything bad to say about Rihanna's

2602
01:57:12,640 --> 01:57:14,760
Speaker 3: halftime thing like she's pregnant.

2603
01:57:15,200 --> 01:57:17,280
Speaker 1: She my daughter loves her.

2604
01:57:17,200 --> 01:57:20,680
Speaker 3: Songs, most of them anyway, Uh, and we enjoyed it.

2605
01:57:20,800 --> 01:57:22,600
Speaker 3: It's not what I'm saying, but I saw people being like,

2606
01:57:22,640 --> 01:57:25,320
Speaker 3: this was the greatest halftime show ever, and I'm like, y'all,

2607
01:57:25,640 --> 01:57:28,160
Speaker 3: Shakira and j Lo did one like a year or

2608
01:57:28,240 --> 01:57:31,080
Speaker 3: two ago, whatever it was. They're not even on the

2609
01:57:31,120 --> 01:57:34,919
Speaker 3: same universe of good. I don't know how a rational

2610
01:57:34,960 --> 01:57:37,600
Speaker 3: person could look at it's not even fair. How are

2611
01:57:37,640 --> 01:57:40,560
Speaker 3: you gonna expect a pregnant woman to dance the same

2612
01:57:41,240 --> 01:57:44,840
Speaker 3: as these two Entertainer's just it's not realistic. So I

2613
01:57:44,920 --> 01:57:47,800
Speaker 3: don't I'm not saying anything bad about Rihanna. Two thumbs

2614
01:57:47,880 --> 01:57:52,040
Speaker 3: up for Rihanna, but I'm sorry, it's you know, the

2615
01:57:52,160 --> 01:57:54,360
Speaker 3: real we're talking about. We're talking about the predator here

2616
01:57:54,400 --> 01:57:56,440
Speaker 3: in Shakira. Like it's over, bro, it's.

2617
01:57:56,320 --> 01:57:58,840
Speaker 2: Over the real one fear I've already done the math, Luke.

2618
01:57:59,240 --> 01:58:02,360
Speaker 2: One person is a BBL and one isn't. Okay, and

2619
01:58:02,400 --> 01:58:05,520
Speaker 2: that and that's that's the final sum of it. Okay.

2620
01:58:05,560 --> 01:58:06,360
Speaker 2: One is what I was saying.

2621
01:58:06,400 --> 01:58:09,160
Speaker 3: One is putting on a show with dance and song

2622
01:58:09,280 --> 01:58:09,960
Speaker 3: and one is not.

2623
01:58:10,800 --> 01:58:13,959
Speaker 1: Like they're not this, They're not equivalent. They're not equivalent.

2624
01:58:14,520 --> 01:58:15,680
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay if.

2625
01:58:15,600 --> 01:58:17,720
Speaker 3: You think, what if you think Rihanna just singing on

2626
01:58:17,760 --> 01:58:19,879
Speaker 3: these platforms and those are cool too, Like that was awesome.

2627
01:58:20,400 --> 01:58:25,160
Speaker 3: That's on par with Shakira dancing Champeta at the Super Bowl.

2628
01:58:25,200 --> 01:58:27,640
Speaker 3: Get the fuck out of here, bro, You're not even looking.

2629
01:58:27,480 --> 01:58:29,880
Speaker 1: At the same thing. No, like, no, this is obviously

2630
01:58:29,920 --> 01:58:30,480
Speaker 1: not true.

2631
01:58:31,720 --> 01:58:35,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually would hope for more wardrobe malfunctions at

2632
01:58:35,640 --> 01:58:37,240
Speaker 2: the super Bowl. But I don't think that's a trend

2633
01:58:37,320 --> 01:58:37,920
Speaker 2: that's going in there.

2634
01:58:38,040 --> 01:58:40,400
Speaker 1: He's like, you know what the super Bowl lacks. They're

2635
01:58:40,440 --> 01:58:41,920
Speaker 1: not enough tittygate.

2636
01:58:42,680 --> 01:58:45,400
Speaker 2: Because the venom bras. That's what the super Bowl lacks.

2637
01:58:45,400 --> 01:58:47,480
Speaker 2: All right, there you go. I'm kidding everyone. I'm kidding.

2638
01:58:47,480 --> 01:58:49,120
Speaker 2: By the way. Look, I mean just a bunch of

2639
01:58:49,120 --> 01:58:53,040
Speaker 2: distasteful comments under the the the very straight laced and

2640
01:58:53,120 --> 01:58:55,360
Speaker 2: professional valentine An interview that I did, and I just

2641
01:58:55,480 --> 01:58:57,240
Speaker 2: you know, to be to be fair, I don't appreciate

2642
01:58:57,280 --> 01:58:57,640
Speaker 2: that at all.

2643
01:58:57,680 --> 01:59:00,080
Speaker 1: Here's BC. What's all this?

2644
01:59:00,080 --> 01:59:02,280
Speaker 3: This is am I reaping what I've sewed.

2645
01:59:02,840 --> 01:59:06,840
Speaker 2: No, first of all as an honorary, you know, said

2646
01:59:07,000 --> 01:59:09,360
Speaker 2: chef Chenko sibling. We're talking about family here. I don't

2647
01:59:09,400 --> 01:59:11,320
Speaker 2: appreciate that. Hey, Mikey, what are we doing here?

2648
01:59:11,360 --> 01:59:11,600
Speaker 1: Next?

2649
01:59:11,600 --> 01:59:14,760
Speaker 2: This is Alan W. Mikey says Alan didn't leave a message,

2650
01:59:14,880 --> 01:59:17,840
Speaker 2: but his fan sub plays well into the final sub.

2651
01:59:17,960 --> 01:59:25,400
Speaker 2: So let's see Alan W's fan sub here. Oh dude, Friday, Friday,

2652
01:59:25,480 --> 01:59:27,360
Speaker 2: Luke Friday. All right, here's the deal. You know, I'm

2653
01:59:27,640 --> 01:59:29,640
Speaker 2: I'm on the journey right now, on the rocky journey. Luke,

2654
01:59:30,080 --> 01:59:32,440
Speaker 2: the Boys and I watched three and four over the

2655
01:59:32,520 --> 01:59:33,320
Speaker 2: last two days.

2656
01:59:33,560 --> 01:59:35,280
Speaker 1: Okay, so give me the update.

2657
01:59:35,680 --> 01:59:38,200
Speaker 3: They thought two was better than one, which was fucking weird,

2658
01:59:38,240 --> 01:59:40,760
Speaker 3: but I guess their teens, they don't know better. Where

2659
01:59:40,920 --> 01:59:43,760
Speaker 3: do three and four rank relative to the rest of

2660
01:59:43,800 --> 01:59:44,520
Speaker 3: the ones I've seen?

2661
01:59:44,720 --> 01:59:47,440
Speaker 2: So at the end of three, they enjoyed it. But

2662
01:59:47,480 --> 01:59:50,080
Speaker 2: I got up and exclaimed that, holy crap, guys, like

2663
01:59:50,400 --> 01:59:53,720
Speaker 2: three is the best Rocky movie, like by far, like

2664
01:59:53,720 --> 01:59:56,120
Speaker 2: with a bullet. They're like, no, no, it's no. But

2665
01:59:56,200 --> 01:59:58,120
Speaker 2: they thought three was the best at that point. But

2666
01:59:58,120 --> 02:00:00,440
Speaker 2: they were like they didn't feel what I felt. And look,

2667
02:00:00,520 --> 02:00:03,520
Speaker 2: maybe because three was the first one I watched on HBO,

2668
02:00:03,720 --> 02:00:05,400
Speaker 2: Like you know, they don't understand.

2669
02:00:05,520 --> 02:00:07,840
Speaker 3: They don't understand mister T. Mister T.

2670
02:00:09,840 --> 02:00:12,040
Speaker 2: And also Hulk Hogan's in it and don't forget that

2671
02:00:12,160 --> 02:00:15,160
Speaker 2: after Rocky three, Hogan and mister T did the rock

2672
02:00:15,200 --> 02:00:17,920
Speaker 2: and Wrestling Connection on MTV, which is actually how I

2673
02:00:17,960 --> 02:00:20,520
Speaker 2: became a wrestling fan at age five. So it's like

2674
02:00:20,760 --> 02:00:23,320
Speaker 2: for me Rocky but also Luke. The difference is like,

2675
02:00:23,760 --> 02:00:25,080
Speaker 2: do you know why two at the end of the day,

2676
02:00:25,080 --> 02:00:28,000
Speaker 2: why I didn't love it is because the story wasn't

2677
02:00:28,080 --> 02:00:30,800
Speaker 2: bad It's just I felt like the acting was forced.

2678
02:00:30,920 --> 02:00:33,280
Speaker 2: Nothing felt sincere and legit. It was kind of like

2679
02:00:33,720 --> 02:00:37,280
Speaker 2: Goofy in a bad way, yet presented as real. Three

2680
02:00:37,560 --> 02:00:40,240
Speaker 2: and then four as well, they got humor. There's like

2681
02:00:40,680 --> 02:00:44,520
Speaker 2: purposeful comedy put in and then it's quick moving. So

2682
02:00:44,560 --> 02:00:47,320
Speaker 2: we watched four like the other night, Luke, and it's

2683
02:00:47,360 --> 02:00:47,840
Speaker 2: their sable.

2684
02:00:47,880 --> 02:00:50,320
Speaker 1: Why is why is this guy blowing you in the picture?

2685
02:00:51,280 --> 02:00:53,520
Speaker 2: Oh? That's that's Duke the trainer. You know, he loves

2686
02:00:53,600 --> 02:00:55,720
Speaker 2: He's got a lot of respect for me, Luke. That's why. Okay,

2687
02:00:55,840 --> 02:00:58,000
Speaker 2: But now I'll tell you this, Luke. They watched four

2688
02:00:58,560 --> 02:01:00,600
Speaker 2: and they got caught up in the proper paganda as

2689
02:01:00,640 --> 02:01:02,000
Speaker 2: well at the end, even though they thought it was

2690
02:01:02,000 --> 02:01:03,960
Speaker 2: goofy and you know, they thought it was goofy that

2691
02:01:04,040 --> 02:01:06,200
Speaker 2: Rocky climbed the top of a thirteen thousand foot mountain

2692
02:01:06,200 --> 02:01:08,280
Speaker 2: and jeans, and I agree with them, But they thought

2693
02:01:08,320 --> 02:01:10,040
Speaker 2: four was the best. And I'm not here to argue

2694
02:01:10,040 --> 02:01:13,160
Speaker 2: with them because four is fricking amazing. But let's think

2695
02:01:13,200 --> 02:01:18,040
Speaker 2: of yeah, and don't forget that, you know, Sylvester stallone

2696
02:01:18,160 --> 02:01:22,880
Speaker 2: for two, three, and four. He starred, wrote and directed. Okay,

2697
02:01:23,040 --> 02:01:25,080
Speaker 2: and I think the key he figured out in three

2698
02:01:25,080 --> 02:01:27,920
Speaker 2: and then into four was not just make it faster

2699
02:01:28,040 --> 02:01:31,200
Speaker 2: paced and not a real movie. Make it a fun,

2700
02:01:31,280 --> 02:01:34,040
Speaker 2: over the top action movie. And nothing is more fun

2701
02:01:34,080 --> 02:01:37,120
Speaker 2: over the top eighties action than Rocky four. So, luke,

2702
02:01:37,160 --> 02:01:39,280
Speaker 2: if three and four are not your one and two,

2703
02:01:39,840 --> 02:01:43,480
Speaker 2: unless you're just leaning on the Oscar worthy parts of

2704
02:01:43,560 --> 02:01:46,720
Speaker 2: the first movie, then I don't think you understand this exercise.

2705
02:01:46,800 --> 02:01:50,760
Speaker 2: Three is the best, without question, unless you're just like,

2706
02:01:51,040 --> 02:01:53,200
Speaker 2: even though fourth is a worst movie, it was more

2707
02:01:53,200 --> 02:01:56,040
Speaker 2: fun to watch. That's the only way you can say it's.

2708
02:01:56,560 --> 02:01:58,920
Speaker 1: I do think three is better. So I agree with you.

2709
02:01:59,360 --> 02:02:00,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you made fun of me last week for

2710
02:02:00,880 --> 02:02:01,920
Speaker 2: saying three was the best.

2711
02:02:03,080 --> 02:02:06,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then I thought about it, well, one is

2712
02:02:06,120 --> 02:02:06,560
Speaker 3: the best.

2713
02:02:06,880 --> 02:02:09,600
Speaker 2: Sorry, One is the best, the best movie, yes, but

2714
02:02:09,640 --> 02:02:11,640
Speaker 2: it's it's not nearly as rewatchable.

2715
02:02:12,040 --> 02:02:13,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, of the sequels, I agree that.

2716
02:02:13,600 --> 02:02:16,040
Speaker 3: I kind of thought four, But I rewatched four recently

2717
02:02:16,040 --> 02:02:18,200
Speaker 3: as well, and it was good. I liked it, but

2718
02:02:18,280 --> 02:02:19,480
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say ththing bad about it. But I

2719
02:02:19,720 --> 02:02:21,200
Speaker 3: think I've come around to your position.

2720
02:02:22,400 --> 02:02:26,160
Speaker 2: You know, Four, I mean Force just like ridiculous, but

2721
02:02:26,240 --> 02:02:28,640
Speaker 2: it's meant to be ridiculous. So if you already come

2722
02:02:28,640 --> 02:02:30,840
Speaker 2: to terms with that. You know, four is like.

2723
02:02:30,760 --> 02:02:32,800
Speaker 3: A Michael Bay movie, like you kind of just got

2724
02:02:32,800 --> 02:02:33,840
Speaker 3: to know what you're gonna get into.

2725
02:02:33,880 --> 02:02:37,920
Speaker 2: But it's commando. It's commando with boxing gloves. Basically, all right,

2726
02:02:38,040 --> 02:02:40,120
Speaker 2: let's go to that. That was Alan w setting us

2727
02:02:40,200 --> 02:02:41,960
Speaker 2: up with the Creed poster or the Rocky four poster

2728
02:02:42,000 --> 02:02:44,440
Speaker 2: ahead of the Creed launch this Friday. But here's Jason.

2729
02:02:44,920 --> 02:02:47,000
Speaker 2: He's got eight photos for us. What up? B C

2730
02:02:47,120 --> 02:02:49,920
Speaker 2: N lt J from Boston here in honor of the

2731
02:02:49,960 --> 02:02:52,960
Speaker 2: release of Creed three and BC taking the Rocky Journey

2732
02:02:52,960 --> 02:02:55,520
Speaker 2: with his boys, this week's sub will take us on

2733
02:02:55,560 --> 02:02:58,880
Speaker 2: the MK Rocky Journey. Maybe we can bring back MK

2734
02:02:59,040 --> 02:03:02,400
Speaker 2: homework this week and all go see Creed three over

2735
02:03:02,440 --> 02:03:05,040
Speaker 2: the weekend and break it down on Monday. Luke first,

2736
02:03:05,080 --> 02:03:06,560
Speaker 2: answer that offer from Jason.

2737
02:03:06,720 --> 02:03:08,280
Speaker 1: I cannot do that. I don't have any time to

2738
02:03:08,320 --> 02:03:08,520
Speaker 1: do that.

2739
02:03:08,640 --> 02:03:11,280
Speaker 2: No, all right, he says. Photo one, we start with

2740
02:03:11,360 --> 02:03:13,920
Speaker 2: the original Rocky, the best in the series, with BC

2741
02:03:14,120 --> 02:03:17,080
Speaker 2: Balboa warming up on the frozen meat with Paulie.

2742
02:03:17,160 --> 02:03:20,560
Speaker 3: Your thoughts, Luke, Yeah, that's about how you look most days.

2743
02:03:20,640 --> 02:03:23,520
Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, that's fair, that's fair. Photo two we moved

2744
02:03:23,520 --> 02:03:25,920
Speaker 2: to Rocky two and BC wins the title. I want

2745
02:03:25,920 --> 02:03:28,760
Speaker 2: to thank you BC again for having a DM discussion

2746
02:03:28,840 --> 02:03:31,680
Speaker 2: with me regarding my thoughts on Rocky two's lack of

2747
02:03:31,720 --> 02:03:34,320
Speaker 2: respect and how it needs to be given its flowers.

2748
02:03:34,480 --> 02:03:34,640
Speaker 7: Luke.

2749
02:03:34,640 --> 02:03:36,280
Speaker 2: I don't think Jason was wrong, but he did come

2750
02:03:36,320 --> 02:03:39,240
Speaker 2: at me and tell me. Story wise, it is solid.

2751
02:03:39,240 --> 02:03:42,360
Speaker 2: It's a well even five. Luke. Five sucks, but the

2752
02:03:42,400 --> 02:03:46,040
Speaker 2: story's pretty good and it is quick. Suck suck. It

2753
02:03:46,080 --> 02:03:48,880
Speaker 2: does suck. But I like that picture, by the way,

2754
02:03:48,880 --> 02:03:51,400
Speaker 2: of me holding the ring championship right there. Yeah, look

2755
02:03:51,440 --> 02:03:54,840
Speaker 2: at you as the ref luke blood on my shirt. Yeah,

2756
02:03:54,840 --> 02:03:57,440
Speaker 2: that's great, all right. Next we have the classic Rocky

2757
02:03:57,480 --> 02:04:00,560
Speaker 2: three with LTS Thunderlips ready to talk us b c

2758
02:04:01,080 --> 02:04:01,480
Speaker 2: out the.

2759
02:04:01,440 --> 02:04:04,720
Speaker 1: Club every day every day, that's me.

2760
02:04:05,080 --> 02:04:08,200
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and another from Rocky three with the boys

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02:04:08,200 --> 02:04:12,960
Speaker 2: in the iconic beach training attire. Yep, Hey, did you

2762
02:04:13,000 --> 02:04:16,040
Speaker 2: ever see the shop in what's the other guy's name?

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02:04:16,480 --> 02:04:17,320
Speaker 1: Here?

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02:04:17,720 --> 02:04:19,720
Speaker 2: I'm not doing skits and bits? Did you ever see

2765
02:04:19,720 --> 02:04:22,560
Speaker 2: the skits the skitting bit that that the Fighter and

2766
02:04:22,600 --> 02:04:23,880
Speaker 2: the Kid did back in the day when they were

2767
02:04:23,880 --> 02:04:25,480
Speaker 2: on Fox. They did the video of them wearing the

2768
02:04:25,480 --> 02:04:27,680
Speaker 2: half shirts and they recreated this. You never saw that

2769
02:04:28,040 --> 02:04:31,600
Speaker 2: with Brian Callen. Oh, it's it's hilarious. Luke, you're always

2770
02:04:31,600 --> 02:04:34,880
Speaker 2: you always think I have bad faith, bad faith humor,

2771
02:04:35,320 --> 02:04:38,320
Speaker 2: bad faith, lifestyle, bad faith diet.

2772
02:04:40,040 --> 02:04:45,080
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, well when it comes to this topic, I'm justified.

2773
02:04:45,720 --> 02:04:46,640
Speaker 2: Okay, all right?

2774
02:04:47,080 --> 02:04:47,280
Speaker 6: Uh.

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02:04:47,400 --> 02:04:50,080
Speaker 2: Next we move on to the Juggernaut, Rocky four and

2776
02:04:50,120 --> 02:04:55,720
Speaker 2: the face off between two rival nations. Luke, you're Russian bastard.

2777
02:04:56,400 --> 02:05:01,680
Speaker 3: Yes, Rampage used call me zengif that was back when

2778
02:05:01,720 --> 02:05:02,480
Speaker 3: my hair was black.

2779
02:05:03,640 --> 02:05:05,760
Speaker 2: And again with Rocky four, we have BC draped in

2780
02:05:05,800 --> 02:05:09,400
Speaker 2: the stars and stripes after an amazing victory. What a

2781
02:05:09,400 --> 02:05:12,680
Speaker 2: picture right there. That is just tremendous, the American alpha

2782
02:05:12,760 --> 02:05:15,560
Speaker 2: in the flesh and Luke. Next to last, we have

2783
02:05:15,680 --> 02:05:18,920
Speaker 2: the we don't talk about the one we're ashamed of

2784
02:05:20,000 --> 02:05:23,360
Speaker 2: Rocky five. Damn, this movie is trash, but it's family,

2785
02:05:23,440 --> 02:05:25,560
Speaker 2: so we have to include it. Looke. I don't think

2786
02:05:25,600 --> 02:05:28,400
Speaker 2: a picture ever fit a poster better than me wearing

2787
02:05:28,440 --> 02:05:31,520
Speaker 2: the the one love hat that everybody hates on the

2788
02:05:31,640 --> 02:05:33,840
Speaker 2: Rocky five poster. That's pretty brilliant right there.

2789
02:05:34,160 --> 02:05:35,840
Speaker 1: That's a good one. I have to piss. Let's move

2790
02:05:35,880 --> 02:05:36,920
Speaker 1: this along, all.

2791
02:05:36,880 --> 02:05:39,400
Speaker 2: Right, there's one more last, but certainly not least. We

2792
02:05:39,440 --> 02:05:42,480
Speaker 2: have Rocky Balboa or should we call it Brian Campbell.

2793
02:05:42,520 --> 02:05:45,800
Speaker 2: The entry was very underrated and I actually enjoyed it

2794
02:05:45,840 --> 02:05:48,600
Speaker 2: a lot. Yo, donks, we did it. Thanks for all

2795
02:05:48,600 --> 02:05:52,440
Speaker 2: the great content. It's jay and enjoy Creed three. Yeah, Luke,

2796
02:05:52,520 --> 02:05:55,200
Speaker 2: Rocky Balboa was a triumphant comeback for the series. Don't

2797
02:05:55,200 --> 02:05:57,640
Speaker 2: forget that Rocky six. It was fantastic.

2798
02:05:57,920 --> 02:05:59,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've seen that one.

2799
02:05:59,560 --> 02:06:02,680
Speaker 2: It might be well, I don't think you could put it.

2800
02:06:02,720 --> 02:06:04,240
Speaker 1: Was that the one with Mason Dixon.

2801
02:06:04,960 --> 02:06:07,120
Speaker 2: Yes, that was where Rocky was old and on the restaurant.

2802
02:06:08,040 --> 02:06:11,600
Speaker 2: No it didn't. You're wrong. You're wrong about that. That one.

2803
02:06:12,000 --> 02:06:15,280
Speaker 2: That one is a modern fast food version of Rocky one.

2804
02:06:15,320 --> 02:06:18,520
Speaker 2: In my opinion, it's got that same like he's trying

2805
02:06:18,560 --> 02:06:20,440
Speaker 2: to figure out where he is in his life again.

2806
02:06:20,560 --> 02:06:22,760
Speaker 2: And no, that's good that his son plays him. Yeah,

2807
02:06:22,800 --> 02:06:25,240
Speaker 2: come on, that's good. All right. Anyway, that's all I

2808
02:06:25,280 --> 02:06:27,160
Speaker 2: got for you, Luke. I'll update you on the Rocky

2809
02:06:27,200 --> 02:06:29,480
Speaker 2: Creed journey. But I told the kids, we got told

2810
02:06:29,480 --> 02:06:31,520
Speaker 2: this weekend, we gotta we gotta get it done. It's time.

2811
02:06:31,640 --> 02:06:34,080
Speaker 3: Let's I mean Friday, I don't, I don't, I can't

2812
02:06:34,080 --> 02:06:36,080
Speaker 3: have time. Saturday we're together because we're going to do

2813
02:06:36,120 --> 02:06:38,640
Speaker 3: the prelimbs in Jersey City again. My wife loves that,

2814
02:06:38,840 --> 02:06:40,920
Speaker 3: leaving for the weekend again. She's very happy about that.

2815
02:06:41,360 --> 02:06:43,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure. But you know, look, it's you know too.

2816
02:06:43,760 --> 02:06:44,800
Speaker 2: You need shoes, right, you.

2817
02:06:45,560 --> 02:06:48,800
Speaker 1: Need Lisa needs Bryce's dental plan. Well, to be.

2818
02:06:48,760 --> 02:06:51,840
Speaker 2: Fair, it's what Rocky told Adrian and Rocky for like

2819
02:06:51,920 --> 02:06:54,040
Speaker 2: you knew who you married, I'm a fighter. You you

2820
02:06:54,080 --> 02:06:56,240
Speaker 2: knew what you were getting into. I'm a fighter.

2821
02:06:56,360 --> 02:06:59,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, and no, it's not so simple anymore. But

2822
02:06:59,400 --> 02:07:01,720
Speaker 3: uh okay, uh but we'll also do the post fight

2823
02:07:01,720 --> 02:07:03,880
Speaker 3: show on Saturday there as well, So then on Sunday

2824
02:07:03,880 --> 02:07:07,160
Speaker 3: I have to go back, and then I am gonna

2825
02:07:07,160 --> 02:07:09,800
Speaker 3: be too tired to go. And also who's gonna watch tunes?

2826
02:07:10,240 --> 02:07:13,800
Speaker 3: A Boila and Felipe are both in uh Columbia right.

2827
02:07:13,680 --> 02:07:16,600
Speaker 2: Now, So yeah, Pepe have to wash his hands at

2828
02:07:16,640 --> 02:07:18,200
Speaker 2: least firstly to be very fair.

2829
02:07:18,400 --> 02:07:20,480
Speaker 3: All right, all right, all right, I want to remind

2830
02:07:20,480 --> 02:07:22,240
Speaker 3: you Showtime dot Com is the label that pays you

2831
02:07:22,240 --> 02:07:24,080
Speaker 3: can get Showtime Championship boxing this weekend.

2832
02:07:24,320 --> 02:07:25,840
Speaker 1: You can you can watch that if you get.

2833
02:07:25,680 --> 02:07:29,720
Speaker 3: A show times undersell. We'll talk about it on Friday.

2834
02:07:29,720 --> 02:07:31,000
Speaker 3: We'll get you ready for it on Friday. It's a

2835
02:07:31,000 --> 02:07:34,400
Speaker 3: sick fight. So showtime dot com thirty day free trial

2836
02:07:34,640 --> 02:07:37,080
Speaker 3: email the show for fan subs for dead Wrongs. You

2837
02:07:37,120 --> 02:07:40,400
Speaker 3: can do that at Morning Combat at gmail dot com.

2838
02:07:40,680 --> 02:07:42,200
Speaker 3: That's the place to go. And of course you can

2839
02:07:42,200 --> 02:07:44,480
Speaker 3: reach us on social as well. We're all over the

2840
02:07:44,480 --> 02:07:47,000
Speaker 3: socials and you can see you right there. Very good,

2841
02:07:47,360 --> 02:07:49,880
Speaker 3: uh and uh b C. I think that's it for us.

2842
02:07:50,120 --> 02:07:52,600
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that's what I thought you were doing.

2843
02:07:52,640 --> 02:07:54,120
Speaker 1: Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait.

2844
02:07:54,040 --> 02:07:56,920
Speaker 2: Wait, I thought you were doing a skitting bit. I

2845
02:07:56,960 --> 02:07:58,520
Speaker 2: was like, do I jump in and help? I don't

2846
02:07:58,520 --> 02:07:59,480
Speaker 2: what do I do here? I don't know.

2847
02:08:00,320 --> 02:08:02,280
Speaker 3: I'm not doing skits and bits? Did you have one

2848
02:08:02,320 --> 02:08:04,080
Speaker 3: cooking in the crockpot there?

2849
02:08:04,160 --> 02:08:06,800
Speaker 2: Well? You you you damn near stepped into my bear trap.

2850
02:08:06,840 --> 02:08:08,080
Speaker 2: But I will yeah, all right, all.

2851
02:08:08,000 --> 02:08:10,760
Speaker 3: Right there, right, but we'll be back. Let's see on

2852
02:08:10,840 --> 02:08:13,600
Speaker 3: Friday we have all those interviews. So chef Chenko is

2853
02:08:13,720 --> 02:08:17,640
Speaker 3: up YouTube dot com slash Morning Combat. Let's see we

2854
02:08:17,720 --> 02:08:20,920
Speaker 3: have the MVP Room Service diaries that is up on

2855
02:08:20,960 --> 02:08:23,640
Speaker 3: YouTube dot com slash Morning Combat. Big thank you to

2856
02:08:23,680 --> 02:08:26,040
Speaker 3: Shaquille Majory. Please stop texting me to retweet you stuff,

2857
02:08:26,080 --> 02:08:28,120
Speaker 3: but in general, it's all very good and I'm very

2858
02:08:28,120 --> 02:08:28,520
Speaker 3: proud of you.

2859
02:08:28,760 --> 02:08:32,360
Speaker 2: Check MMA on YouTube for more of Shaquille Majority's great content,

2860
02:08:32,480 --> 02:08:35,640
Speaker 2: or obviously CBS Sports dot com, and also I will

2861
02:08:35,680 --> 02:08:38,640
Speaker 2: have an interview with Brandon Figueroa later today, Luke to

2862
02:08:38,680 --> 02:08:41,320
Speaker 2: set the stage for Saturdays fight. I'm sure only boxing

2863
02:08:41,360 --> 02:08:43,440
Speaker 2: fans will watch it, but guys, it's gonna be good again.

2864
02:08:43,520 --> 02:08:44,800
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a good one. It's gonna be a

2865
02:08:44,880 --> 02:08:45,600
Speaker 1: very good one. All right.

2866
02:08:45,640 --> 02:08:48,920
Speaker 3: That is it for us today. Uh So for CBS

2867
02:08:48,960 --> 02:08:52,640
Speaker 3: for showtime for Brian Campbell. I'm Luke Thomas. This has

2868
02:08:52,680 --> 02:08:55,600
Speaker 3: been Morning Combat. Until next time, all of your gains,

2869
02:08:55,920 --> 02:08:56,680
Speaker 3: be loyal.