1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: Okay, let's let's set the scene here. Uh, let's say 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: that an alien, uh like we're all hanging out. Uh 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: and and and honest goodness, extraterrestrial crashes our our barbecue 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: right or luau or whatever we're doing, as long as 5 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: it's outdoors and socially distant. Yeah, yeah, and it's outdoors 6 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: socially distance, and uh, the alien tries to communicate with us. 7 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: How would you try to communicate with an alien? Mm 8 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: hmm yeah, how would you? Music? I don't math, I 9 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: don't know what do they do in that Arrival movie? 10 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,919 Speaker 1: It was some combination of those things. Yeah. Rival has 11 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 1: got some really interesting stuff, attempting to speak in tones 12 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,279 Speaker 1: and in ways that those creatures would speak. I mean, 13 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: spoiler alert, but you know, I like, I like your thinking. 14 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: Then it's more close Encounters of the third kind kind 15 00:00:55,520 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: of thing. I wonder what happens if an extraterrestrial species 16 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: is attempting to reach us from their planet? Like, what happens? Then? 17 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: Who gets that message? And could it be kept a secret? Yeah? 18 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 1: And how how how would we even understand what they're communicating? 19 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: These are questions that we do not solve in today's 20 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: classic episode from UFOs, two, ghosts, and government cover ups. 21 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: History is writtled with unexplained events. You can turn back 22 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: now or learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello, everyone, 23 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show, The Big Show. My name 24 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: is Matt and I'm then And that's our super producer 25 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: Noel behind the behind the boards are the keys. Yeah, 26 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: we're just gonna point to him. He's right over there. 27 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: So if you have a very specific form of probably 28 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: non existence synesthesia, you can feel our fingers moving and 29 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: it probably you know, feels the way lavender smells or something. 30 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, it feels feels very very nice, 31 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: I'm assuming. So it's interesting that our segue or are 32 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: our banter at the top of this episode concerns sensation, right, 33 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: because that is one of the abiding universal characteristics of life. 34 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: It's the ability to sense something right from your outside 35 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: environment and then in some way to respond to it. 36 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: But when we when we think about what life actually is. 37 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,679 Speaker 1: Oh and spoiler alert, I forgot Matt. What's the name 38 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: of this this episode? This search for extra terrestrial life? 39 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: So life not on planet Earth? Yes? And also, uh, 40 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: you know, bonus points to us as a species if 41 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 1: we find someone intelligent until they wipe us out. So 42 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: anyway we're talking about we're talking about this search for 43 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: life somewhere out there in the darkness of space. And 44 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: one thing that we have to do before we even 45 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: address the idea of looking for life is define it, right, 46 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: what what exactly is this whole life stick? Well? Life, 47 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: life is the it's the thing or the condition that 48 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: separates uh, you know, plants from inorganic material and animals 49 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: from inorganic material. So kind of like what you said, Ben, 50 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: the the ability to sense the outside world to take 51 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: in stimuli, so that it also includes the the ability 52 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: to grow, the capacity for growth and reproduction. You have 53 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: to be able to make copies of yourself. Um. You 54 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: have to have some kind of functional activity um, either 55 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: whether that's movement or I don't know, it's really slow 56 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: rate of growth. Yes. And there's also one other thing, 57 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: the continual change until death. Although that's not necessarily true 58 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: because we've seen some of the animals we've talked about 59 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: and some of the immortality stuff. Oh yeah, like Nutricula utopsis. 60 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: The isn't that the jellyfish that as and then turns 61 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: into a child. So essentially just going through entropy. Yeah, okay, 62 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: I see, I thought. I like the way you say 63 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: that last part better going through entropy. And we know 64 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: they're different types of life. Um, well, there are different 65 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: types of hypothetical life. So we are carbon based life forms. 66 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: You listening to this right now, The overwhelming probability that 67 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: you are also a carbon based life form and less 68 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: extraterrestrials or artificially intelligent programs have reached a level of 69 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: which we were unaware or unless we're all just holograms 70 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: inside some huge matrix, right yeah, and inside the dream 71 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 1: of some gigantic turtle and in that sense, the carbon 72 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: and it's just bits of data, yeah, just firing sign 73 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: ups synapse rather, so we know that there are theoretical 74 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: forms of biology that could exist, other life forms. It's 75 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: possible that carbon might not be the only creature in 76 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: the game. Silicon based life forms ammonia, methane, hydrogen, fluoride, 77 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: and and so on. Right, And this concept of non 78 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: carbon life does a very important thing theoretically. It opens 79 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: the door, widens the spectrum for zenobiologists and sci fi 80 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: fans and so on to look at a wider range 81 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 1: of possible homes for alien life. Right exactly. Um, so 82 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: now you can look at you can look at a 83 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: planet that isn't that There isn't a lot of water 84 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: on the planet, there isn't a lot of carbon. But 85 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: there might be a bunch of silica, a bunch of ammonia. 86 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: There you go, And there might be bad methane lake 87 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: smith methane pools all over the planet. Hey, let's go 88 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: check those out. Yeah, And I think that's I think 89 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: that's a fascinating thing. I want to go back to 90 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: types of life towards the end of this for something 91 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: that's complete speculation. But one thing that we learned our 92 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: continual search for extra terrestrial life is that we still 93 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 1: have a lot to learn about terrestrial life. There's still 94 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: a lot we don't know, Like, for instance, what is 95 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: the most common life form? Well, can I guess? Yeah, 96 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: I guess yeah. I would guess some type of bacteria bacterium. Yeah, 97 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 1: I would have two and uh the It's it's interesting 98 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 1: because there's a great article I think it was in 99 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: Smithsonian that tells us that a Okay, here we go. 100 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: It's my first mispronunciation of the episode, uh plaga bactor ubique, 101 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: which sounds sort of like some Eastern European shoe store. Um. 102 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: This single celled organism is usually cited as the most 103 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: common organism in the world. It's it's the Statistically, if 104 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: you were rolling the dice to become an organism, the 105 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: odds are that you would become this one. That's crazy 106 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: to think about. Yeah, but um, that might not be 107 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: the case, because it turns out there's something that eats 108 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: P unique okay, that is also widespread just all over 109 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:30,559 Speaker 1: the place, numerous. It's a virus. Oh wow. Okay, So 110 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: here's the thing. This, this virus P unique has four 111 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: different viruses that parasitize it or you know, prey on it. 112 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: And one of those, which has the incredibly um unmemorable 113 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: name of HTV c O one O p is the 114 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: most common of those viruses. And so if we consider 115 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: a virus to be a living thing, then turns out 116 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: that our boy HTV is uh the world's most common 117 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: life form. But therein lies the debate, Right, the virus alive? 118 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: Is it? It doesn't meet all of the different criteria, 119 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: well it it definitely meets the reproduction Um, it has 120 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: functional activity. I would I would argue, well, I don't, 121 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: I don't again, I don't know how that is necessarily defined, 122 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: but yeah, functional activities a little bit, I don't know, 123 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: a little a little bit softball, right, what about capacity 124 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: for growth? Mm hmmm, Well it can change, it can 125 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: because reproduction and growth very if we differentiate those, we'll 126 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: have to talk to someone ben well. Because the thing 127 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 1: is that a virus for people who don't think of 128 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: virus counts as life. A virus has to use the 129 00:08:55,360 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: metabolic process of its host in order to grow and produce. 130 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: There you go. Okay, so it's you know, a virus 131 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: is inherently a parasite. Um. So this means that they 132 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: they may not actually be life, or they're somewhere between life, 133 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: you know, um their third category. Right. Yeah, and there's 134 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: some weird maybe there's some weird spectrum of life to 135 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: not mine. But okay, so we know that our world 136 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: is teeming with life. Yes, it's everywhere. Ants. I was 137 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: going to just start naming off animals for it. Yeah, 138 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: but there's just a ton of it, a ton of 139 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: it everywhere, doing everywhere on planes. But we're doing a 140 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: great job of kind of getting rid of it. Fitting 141 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: the herd of life, right, humans are right, Yeah, we're 142 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: we're getting rid of a lot of the eye or 143 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: order animals. For sure, there are more tigers in captivity 144 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: I think in Texas than there are on the wild 145 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: or in the United States. It's um which may be 146 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: a podcast for different day. But if if there are 147 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: so many different types of life that we know of, 148 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 1: and the most common life is still debatedbly life on 149 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: on our planet, then um, the question is why haven't 150 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: we found anything else? Well, it's a very simple answer. 151 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: The universe is huge. Yeah, well it's true. Yeah, I mean, 152 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 1: come on, the universe is all. If we're going to 153 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: talk about definitions, the universe is every single uh, just 154 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: all of the matter, all of the energy, all of it. Yeah, 155 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: that exists. That is the universe. That's a lot of stuff. 156 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: And you know, if you think about just the pale 157 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: blue dot that image, or you know some of the 158 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: things that Carl Sagan talked about, just how insignificant our 159 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: tiny little planet is and even how them all our 160 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 1: sun is in comparison to other stars. You just realize 161 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: that we have this massive amount of life just on 162 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: this tiny little speck of dust. You just know that 163 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: there there has to be something else out there. Somewhere, 164 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: you know, I think of it sometimes. Where have you 165 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: ever seen an animal in a weird place? Like you're 166 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: in a grocery store and you see a bird and 167 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: you think, how that bird get here? I've seen a 168 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: little blue tailed lizard at a gym one time. I 169 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: was just going, what what are you doing in here? Yeah? 170 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: Just get to work out or something. I'm trying to 171 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: take them outside or somewhere where they belong. I wonder 172 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: they comparison to pale blue dot makes me think of that. 173 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: But if if we were to talk numbers about the 174 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: size of the known universe, it's so big that we 175 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: do not have the technology to figure out how big 176 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: it is. Right, So we can read it to a 177 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: certain extent. But that's just as far as our technology 178 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: has gotten us yet. Right. Yeah, we can see, um, 179 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 1: the part that we can detect extends in all directions 180 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: for about ten billion light years. Based on these observations, 181 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: experts believe the universes between ten and maybe twenty billion 182 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: years old. Uh. And the Earth is relatively relatively a 183 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: rookie in the game, being only four and a half 184 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: billion years old. Yeah, and life didn't originate on Earth 185 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: for a long time after it was created, right, Yeah, 186 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: we're still figuring that part out too. Uh. So we've 187 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: got these people called cosmologists study cosmology the study of 188 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: the just the whole universe, which sounds like a pretty 189 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: ambitious degree, right and uh. According to some of these folks, uh, 190 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: the universe has no limits in space or time. Um. 191 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: Galaxy seemed to be traveling away from Earth and each 192 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: other at ever increasing speeds, providing the basis for the 193 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: concept that the entire universe, as well as the part 194 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: we know about, it's just expanding, just going bigger out yep. Uh. 195 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: And you know that's that's really cool. It's a little 196 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: bit of a lonely place to think about, right. But 197 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: by the way, if you want to know more about 198 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: this this kind of stuff, cosmology, I highly recommend you 199 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: check out Cosmos if you're not already watching it on 200 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 1: National Geographic and Fox. It's fantastic, you know what. I'm 201 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: glad you mentioned Cosmos. Neil deGrasse Tyson had another show 202 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: before that that was also good. Nova And you and 203 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: I are also pretty big fans of various science shows. 204 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: And these science shows, inevitably, if they touch on space, 205 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: they have to tackle some of the big questions, which 206 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: are first, there's, um, there's this huge paradox, right, life 207 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 1: on Earth is everywhere, some forms of life that maybe 208 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: don't even seem like good ideas are still around. And 209 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: then we have the universe, the biggest empty room in reality. 210 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: Now of course it's not empty, right, just mostly we 211 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: know there has to be something. So it appears that 212 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: the problem with finding alien life, which we've talked about 213 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: in this podcast before, is that the gap in space 214 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: isn't even as worrisome as the gap in time, right, absolutely, 215 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: and as we know, they are interconnected. Uh so, so 216 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: people people have kind of pondered some of these things, 217 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: even before they really understood what the universe was, what 218 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: it was made of, what the galaxies were, you know, 219 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: even what rotated, what orbited around what people have been 220 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: looking up and thinking, oh, man, what the heck is 221 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: going on up there? And you know, we come up 222 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: with stories about the heavens and and beings that live 223 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: up in those stars. Um, and so, so there's been 224 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: this constant search, at least internally for what the heck 225 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: is going on up there. And in nineteen fifty nine, 226 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: this thing called SETI came around the which is the 227 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: search for extraterrestrial intelligence and uh. And in that year 228 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: ninety nine, Cornell physicist Giuseppe uh Coconi, I don't think uh, 229 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: and UH Philip Morrison, they published this article in Nature, 230 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: which is isn't that a journal? And they pointed out 231 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: that that the potential for using microwave radio, Uh, they 232 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: could use that to communicate or at least send signals 233 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: outward and then also possibly received signals that were coming 234 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: in towards Earth. Right. And this was a this was 235 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: a very interesting finding. Um, before we go a little 236 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: bit for the let me go ahead and establish some 237 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: of the other things here. There's the thing called the 238 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: firm paradox. We need to know about if life exists, 239 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: why haven't we found it? We not? You and I 240 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: talked about that with the time and space. And then, um, 241 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: there's something else will explore called the Drake equation. And 242 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: let's introduce that guy. Now. H turns out in the 243 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: sixties he is a young radio astronomer, which was a 244 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: thing even back then. He had come to the same 245 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: idea about microwave radio, and he conducted the first microwave 246 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: radio search for signals from other solar systems in nine 247 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: in spring, I believe. So here's what he did. For 248 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: two months. He aimed a UH antenna and West Virginia 249 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: in the direction of two nearby stars that he thought 250 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: were kind of like our son. He tuned his receiver 251 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: to what he called the magic frequency, which we talked 252 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: about in our video series, right, Matt, uh So, what 253 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: what's the magic frequency? Well, it is the twenty one 254 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: centimeter line or the one thousand, four hundred and twenty 255 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: mega hurts. That's that's what you're that's the signal. Yeah, 256 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 1: that's the frequency of the signal. It's a neutral hydrogen. 257 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: And this turns out to be a spot on the 258 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: radio dial that Cosni or Coconian. Morrison also believed had significance. 259 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 1: UM Drake's two months searching the skies for life UM 260 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 1: did garner a response and got some interest, but not 261 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 1: not from the intelligent life who's looking for instead of aliens, 262 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 1: it was terrestrial. It came from the Soviets, and then 263 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: in the nineties sixties the Soviet Union pretty much held 264 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 1: sway over the SETI project, and uh it frequently just 265 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: it would adopt all these bold strategies and rather than 266 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: searching like nearby stars. The Soviets they just basically set 267 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: up these almost omnidirectional and in a and they would 268 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,719 Speaker 1: observe just these wide swaths of the sky and they 269 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:07,719 Speaker 1: would just kind of count on the existence of at 270 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: least a few advanced civilizations somewhere out there in this 271 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 1: you know, the scope that they're looking through. Um, and 272 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: they would they just assumed that one or more of 273 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: them would be radiating some kind of transmission power from 274 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 1: their planet or from whatever it is that they inhabit. Yeah, 275 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: and and you know, probably be communists to write if 276 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: we're making assumptions. Uh, yeah, they would, like I've minded. Yeah, 277 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: it's sort of like the the Soviet search for Shambala 278 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: when they when they said, well, clearly this mystery religion 279 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: and city is real, they're gonna be cons Uh. So, 280 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: what I hope is coming out here and in this 281 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 1: part of the show is that set itself. While there 282 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: is a SETI Institute, while there are SETI projects, there's 283 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: UM it's much less centralized than you might think. CT 284 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 1: is just an acronym in pursuit, right, that search for 285 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:10,959 Speaker 1: extraterrestrial intelligence. So, uh, different groups, some of which may 286 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: be familiar, some which may be unfamiliar have messed with it. 287 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: And uh, there's a wide swath to usual word of 288 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 1: opinions about this. So NASA even got involved, right, So 289 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: kind of the beginning of the nineties seventies, Uh, the 290 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: AIMS Research Center that's in Mountain View, California, by the way, 291 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: They began to kind of consider the technology required for 292 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: a true search that would be effective enough, you know, 293 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: to to prove this stuff. So a team of outside 294 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: experts under the direction of the sky Bernard Oliver from 295 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 1: a Hewlett Packer, right, that's correct. He he made this 296 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: study for NASA which was known as Project Cyclops. You've 297 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: probably heard of that before if you're a fan of 298 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: this show. Um, and the Cyclops report. It basically gave 299 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: an analysis of CETI sign and send kind of the 300 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: tech issues that they were dealing with at the time. 301 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: It's really the foundation on which pretty much all of 302 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 1: the subsequent work from CT is based upon. Yeah, and 303 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: it was some pretty good news too, because during this time, 304 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: more and more people began to believe, Hey, this we 305 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: might have the science or something to it to actually 306 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: get cooking with gas here or excuse me, microwave radio 307 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: and uh, so the Aims Research Center had some SETI programs. Uh, 308 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: and so did JPL in Pasadena, and they started working 309 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 1: together to do targeted searches, which is opposite of what 310 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: the USSR was doing. Um. But eventually Congress terminated the funding. 311 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: And so we're wasted money. We're throwing real dollars at 312 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 1: imaginary beings. Essentially we can't find them. So people began 313 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: getting disappointed in set but D continues today and uh 314 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: we'll tell you how the search for intelligent life is going, 315 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: along with allegations of cover ups. After a word from 316 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: our sponsor, Hello, friend, are you feeling cooped up? Well? Yeah, yeah, 317 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: of course. Do you work too much? Sure it doesn't everybody. 318 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 1: So what if I gave you the opportunity to take 319 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: a vacation, a long, relaxing vacation. Oh yeah, I guess. 320 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: But who can afford a vacation nowadays? I can only 321 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: go to those boring places, like, you know, a day 322 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 1: trip an hour away, or just kind of sit in 323 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: my bathroom and put a different picture on the wall 324 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 1: and pretend I'm somewhere else. We know how you feel, friends, 325 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: That's why we're offering you this rare opportunity to travel 326 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 1: to space, to space? Where'd you go? Come back? Sorry? 327 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: I dropped my pen So friend, with space Skation one, 328 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: we can send you as far out into space as 329 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: you'd like. Whoa, you can even bring your dog? Oh? What? Yes? 330 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: Do you hear that? Boy? We love space? 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Yeah? 339 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: And you're sure this has nothing to do with my 340 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: history of political activism. Actually, if you have a history 341 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: of any kind of political activism, your first space Station 342 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: one space station is on the house. What sign me up? 343 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: Did you hear that? Boy? We're going to space? Sir? 344 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: Did you want to go? Oh? Yeah, no, yeah, totally 345 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: set me up. Okay, I was just excited. No, it's fine, 346 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,360 Speaker 1: you know, I just wanted to make sure because we've 347 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: got all the paperwork and space Station one is in 348 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 1: no way responsible for cost occurred on the Earth wild wire. 349 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: In space, we bear no responsibility for depressurization, bone loss, 350 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: muscle mass loss, space fatness, sym papsip's tuberculosis, space captain fever, 351 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: exeno biology, haster, not attacks, astronaut on astronat violence, media showers, 352 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: media collisions, space hide to jam, gravity lund boredom or 353 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: on week by green to the terms of Stacation one's 354 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: permanent one way trip vacation into deep space. You voluntarily 355 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: and topcouquibly relinquish your bits to an interrestrial property, children, inventions, patents, 356 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: or legal personally. Space Station one is brought to you 357 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: by Illumination Global Unlimited. Okay, and we're back now. Uh 358 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 1: just we go back in here, uh to to set 359 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: up a quick laundry list. Mat I always thinking we 360 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: could each lead off some projects of set Oh great, 361 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: there are a ton of these. I'm gonna start with 362 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: Project OZMA. Oh that's the very first one, right, yep, 363 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: it's the first SETI search. It was conducted by astronomer 364 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: Frank Drake that we talked about, and that was in 365 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty. Uh. Then there's the Ohio State Big Ear 366 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: SETI project launched in seventy three, and that is the 367 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: one that we mentioned in the video. That's where we 368 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: got the Wow signal, which which is either a natural 369 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 1: phenomenon that we have never heard of before or since 370 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 1: and still can't explain, or somehow is a signal from 371 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: intelligent life. Either way, it's fascinating what happened to the 372 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: Big Ear Oh it was shut down in for a 373 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: golf course. For a golf course of course. Okay, so 374 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: then you know, you've got Project Serendip that you may 375 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: have heard of as well. That was launched by the 376 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 1: univer City of California at Berkeley, and that was in 377 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine. Yeah. NASA also had the hr m 378 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 1: S High Resolution micro Waves Survey in nineteen eighty two 379 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: and discontinued to ninety three when Congress cut the funding. 380 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: Now you've got Project Meta that This one's really cool. 381 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 1: This was the Mega Channel Extra Terrestrial Array and it 382 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 1: was launched at Harvard University in nineteen eighty five, and um, 383 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: it was meant to search eight point four million point 384 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: five HURTS channels and the really low frequency yeah yeah. 385 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: And then there's the Columbus Optical Setti COSETTI. Uh, that's 386 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: an earlier one and it's nineteen nineties and it is 387 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: searching for laser signals. Then you've got Project Beta, another 388 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: familiar one, possibly the billion channel Extra Terrestrial Array Array 389 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: that was also launched at Harvard University in nineteen ninety 390 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: five and again searching billions of channels. And then there's 391 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: Project Phoenix, which SETI Institute launched to continue the work 392 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: of NASA Project Argus, which launched in nineties six. And 393 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: this was CETI leagues all sky survey projects. They're looking everywhere. 394 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: That's sort of like shaking the entire haystack and hoping 395 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: to prick yourself on a needle. Well, maybe that's unfair. Maybe. 396 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 1: Then there's the Southern serendip And then there's the one 397 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: of the most exciting ones for anybody who feels like 398 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: personally lending a hand to the search for intelligent life 399 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: set at Home. Uh. Now this is this is the 400 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: It came out in nineteen I think I think that's 401 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: around the time that I signed up for it um 402 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: and it was essentially literally a a program that ran 403 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: kind of behind the scenes on your computer and it 404 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: just crunched data. Basically, it was analyzing data. Did you 405 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: ever do that? Yeah? I did it for a short time. 406 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: I even did it here at how stuff works on 407 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,880 Speaker 1: my computer When I would home. I remember that overnight 408 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: it would be running steady at home. So maybe this 409 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 1: could be your way or our way to pitch in 410 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: and find intelligent life. But now, Noel, please, could I 411 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: get some conspiracy music? Perfect? Thank you. The reason we're 412 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: asking for this music, of course, is because now it's 413 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:28,199 Speaker 1: time to talk about whether there could be a cover up. 414 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: Because Matt, you re memor when we did our video, 415 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,479 Speaker 1: a lot of you guys were commenting on YouTube about 416 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 1: how set has a secrecy clause it does publicly disclose things, right. 417 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: Can you tell me a little bit about that, man, So, yeah, 418 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: you gotta think about Let's just think about the pursuit 419 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: of science. Science. When you're conducting a study, um, you know, 420 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 1: and then you have some findings that you really want 421 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: someone to know about, or you want the world to 422 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: know about for you know, fame for Richin and the 423 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 1: advancement of science you. You generally make your your work known, 424 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: you release it, you get it, you send it to 425 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: journals to get it pure reviewed and um. But and 426 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: that's that's on a general wide level. But at the 427 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: at the localized level in the study that's occurring, the 428 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 1: one study that a group of scientists is doing somewhere, 429 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 1: that's usually kept pretty private because you don't want other 430 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 1: scientists to know exactly what it is that you're looking at, 431 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: because again you're searching for I use the phrase fame 432 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: and fortune, but I don't want to get scooped exactly. 433 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: So that's just between scientists, right, trying to keep things secretive. 434 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: But there's another group that's even more tenuous, has a 435 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: more tenuous relationship with us, with the individual scientists. I 436 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 1: think we're talking about, well, yeah, the journalist, right, the media. Yeah, 437 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: that that does make sense because if you read news, 438 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: whether on the Internet, whether through a newspaper, or you know, 439 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: on your local television, you realize over time that the 440 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: media and journalists have a tendency to grab something, sensationalize it, 441 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: and run with it. So if somebody publishes a study 442 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: that says we found a certain type of amino acid, 443 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: when combined in this certain situation, will do you know 444 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: action X. Then people come out, people may welcome out 445 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: with amino acid has intelligence solving puzzles, you know. And 446 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: that's why the the press releases are so important for 447 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: the places like NASA on CDC things like that, or 448 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: if you actually have a you know, every once in 449 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: a while you'll hear that NASA is gonna make an 450 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: announcement or the CDC will make an announcement and they 451 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: have a very public hey, and there's usually a PR 452 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: person there trying to give out the message. Now that 453 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: works both ways in my mind. Ben, So it's not 454 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: only is it trying to make clear what the information is, 455 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: but it's also trying to manage it. It's managing it exactly. 456 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: It's spinning it. Yeah, I I see that's the thing, 457 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: because you and I talked about this too, like we 458 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: know that. You know, this guy wrote a book called 459 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: The Eerie Silence? Are We Alone in the Universe? Professor 460 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: Paul Davies. He was the chair of the SETI Post 461 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: Detection Science and Technology Task Group for a while, and 462 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: he said that the group themselves grappled with the need 463 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: for public disclosure, but they ultimately decided to keep the 464 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: to keep it behind closed doors kind of decisions because 465 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: they were worried that if information leaked out prematurely, they 466 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: might be in, for lack of a better phrase, a 467 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: boy who cried wolf situation. Um. Well, you know, when 468 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: the while signal came out, there was a huge media 469 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: just outpouring of whoa inspect like speculation just saying what 470 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: the heck was this thing? Is it aliens? Oh my god? 471 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: We know now we now know that we're not alone 472 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: in the universe because of the Wild signal, right yeah, 473 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: and uh, which may be true, but it's not but 474 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: it but you know, it's not a proven thing, right right? Yeah? 475 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: We um. We look at that a little bit in 476 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,719 Speaker 1: our video series. Again, if you haven't checked it out, 477 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: do check it out, because we learned some really cool 478 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: stuff in there. Especially there's that one quote that Jerry 479 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: Emmons says where he at the very beginning of the video. Yeah, yeah, um, 480 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: I don't want to ruin it for you, but check 481 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: it out, check it out. Uh. So we also, I 482 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: figured it was best for us to go straight to 483 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: the source when we're talking about some of the conspiratorial stuff, 484 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: whether there has been evidence that has been suppressed. So 485 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: from CTS, UH frequently asked questions. They tackle a lot 486 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: of this stuff. One question is has set Uh found 487 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 1: life evidence of life on other planets? The answer is no. 488 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: Scientists have found no clear indications of life past or 489 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: present beyond the Earth. There have been tantalizing suggestions that 490 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: the Viking mission might have detected evidence of microbile microbial 491 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: life on Mars, that there are falsil fossil microbes and 492 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: some Mars rocks, but they haven't been verified yet. Now, 493 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: if you believe that there is an extraterrestrial contact with 494 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: Earth already, then of course it's it's easy to see 495 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: how set He could seem like smoke and mirrors, you 496 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: know what I mean. But I I have to say 497 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of difficult to believe that if there 498 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: were extraterrestrials on the planet's it's difficult to believe how 499 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: that could remain a secret. Um agreed. Unless Now we're 500 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: one of my favorite parts of the episode to Matt, 501 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: which is where I kind of I ask you you 502 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: asked me about this sort of stuff. I want to 503 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: go ahead and jump into this right away. We talked 504 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: earlier about the origin of life on Earth, right, still 505 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: kind of wishy washy. We're still not sure exactly how 506 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: it happened. But there's that great theory with that horrible name, 507 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: which you've already mentioned on our podcast. Yeah, which would 508 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: mean that if if it were true, it would mean 509 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: that we were the alien life form, right that life, Yeah, 510 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: life was the alien life form. That to go with 511 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: our virus analogy that if you picture Earth as just 512 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: a single selled organism, right with everything that a virus 513 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: needs to survive, then somehow on a meteor, uh, we 514 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: washed out into Earth and then just started replicating and 515 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: now we're we're teeming over you know, infesting the host organics. 516 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: That's intense man. For me, that's a that's a hugely 517 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: compared telling argument for how life came about. I know, 518 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: it's it's a little tough because you have to assume 519 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,320 Speaker 1: that life existed somewhere else in order for it to 520 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 1: get here. It's kind of kicking the can down the road, 521 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: isn't it. Yeah, exactly just exactly, so it's not it's 522 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 1: not exactly answering our our stuff, but um, it all 523 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 1: goes back to the idea of life as we know 524 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: it based on DNA, based on RNA. UM, what else 525 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: could be out there? Could there be some other thing 526 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: that doesn't use any of that, you know, Um, well 527 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 1: it's it's a possibility. And that's the great thing about study. 528 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: We've we've allowed ourselves to think differently through this search. 529 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 1: And I think, Man, Ben, I gotta tell you, I 530 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 1: think we're gonna find some really soon with with the 531 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:55,399 Speaker 1: new telescopes. With I think we're gonna at least find 532 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 1: the trace of life. It's gonna be microbial. It's gonna 533 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,319 Speaker 1: be tiny, uh, microorganisms, but it's going to be there. 534 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: There's another fascinating the idea that I heard, a conspiratorial idea, 535 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:14,280 Speaker 1: which was that uh, for ideological or religious reasons, people 536 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: in government and in the executive levels of different scientific 537 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: institutes were cooperating to destroy evidence of alien life, you know, 538 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 1: microbial stuff, so that it wouldn't shake the foundations of 539 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: world religions. You know. I heard it sometimes for Christianity, Um, 540 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: primarily for Christianity. Was very interesting theory. I didn't find 541 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 1: too much to back it up. One thing that I 542 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:52,800 Speaker 1: read specifically was citing the the methodology of testing soil 543 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,879 Speaker 1: for life or testing uh dirt on Mars or the Moon. Um, 544 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 1: there's a there's a method that the rovers used to 545 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: heat up the We talked about this, right, I think yeah. 546 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:12,280 Speaker 1: They they heat up the sample and incinerate it essentially 547 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,839 Speaker 1: and then analyze the gases. So if there was something 548 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: in there, they would it would show up in the 549 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: different gases, right if it was carbon based. But if 550 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: it's not carbon based, and there are a couple of 551 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: a couple of different different ideas with that, that was 552 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,840 Speaker 1: an interesting theory to me, and I would I would 553 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 1: love to learn if there were you know, is is 554 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 1: it possible that's some sort of alien craft or alien 555 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: culture interacted with Earth at some point in history. It's possible. 556 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: It's difficult to see how it could be plausible given 557 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 1: the time and distance involved without going into some sort 558 00:36:55,320 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 1: of um extra dimensional idea. Right, Um, I want to 559 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,320 Speaker 1: believe that stuff. You know that everybody listening knows. I 560 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 1: want to believe absolutely. Fox Molder over here, I hope 561 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: you do too. That's the I think that's important. It's 562 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 1: the it's the inspiration and the imagination that us going absolutely. 563 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,399 Speaker 1: First off, if we didn't want to figure out what's 564 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 1: going on. If we didn't want to believe things and uh, 565 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 1: there would have been no progress as a species, why 566 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 1: would you even look into it? And also, clearly, the 567 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:38,839 Speaker 1: the most implausible thing at all in this entire conversation, 568 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 1: the most unreasonable impossible thing is that there would not 569 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 1: be other intelligent life somewhere in the universe, given that 570 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 1: there is an infinite size. That's the most ridiculous thing. 571 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,880 Speaker 1: That is literally the most ridiculous thing to think. Thank you, 572 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 1: Dr Drake. Yeah, yeah, thank you for the Drake equation. God, 573 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 1: it's time for us to go. We didn't even get 574 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 1: to the shadow biosphere, which I think we should talk 575 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 1: about in the future. We will, we have to, but 576 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 1: before we get out of here really quickly, I just 577 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 1: want to read this piece of listener mail. This comes 578 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: from Charles B. He says, Hello, I saw the video 579 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 1: about aliens in dulcea New Mexico. Sorry about that. My fault. Guys, 580 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: blame it on me. It was my fault, he says. 581 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 1: I'm from New Mexico and I'm a lifelong resident. Ever 582 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 1: since I was in grade school, Dulce has always been 583 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 1: associated with aliens like Roswell. New Mexico is, and he 584 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 1: says growing up and now in adulthood, the people in 585 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,719 Speaker 1: New Mexico, they have an inside joke for Dulce, and 586 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,880 Speaker 1: that is Dulce is where the government kept all their aliens. 587 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 1: All towns in northern New Mexico, even Dulce, are are 588 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,840 Speaker 1: very rural and the mass majority of these towns have 589 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 1: only one high school. That kind of gives you an 590 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 1: idea of how small they might be. I He also 591 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 1: says that many people in northern in the northern part 592 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 1: of New Mexico still speaks Spanish and are very close 593 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 1: to one another. People in their families don't stay very 594 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 1: far away from their homes and communities in northern New Mexico. 595 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 1: Um in a town like Dulce, it's very common to 596 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,720 Speaker 1: find two or three generations of intermediate and extended families 597 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: living together and in small communities. So odds are finding 598 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,279 Speaker 1: people that may have personal insight on this alien matter 599 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,839 Speaker 1: might not be too difficult. In the video, you spoke 600 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,920 Speaker 1: about the alleged security guard Thomas Costello and how there 601 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 1: might be confusion about the spelling of his name, either 602 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,400 Speaker 1: c O S or c A S. And what Charles 603 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 1: here suggests is that it may actually be Castillo, I 604 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 1: guess Spanish version of it, and he also says later 605 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 1: on that it might not be Thomas. It might be Thomas. However, 606 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 1: I kind of looked into it and found out that 607 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:03,240 Speaker 1: it is actually uh, the alleged person is Thomas Edwin 608 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:07,839 Speaker 1: cost Costello. Okay, UM, so I just wanted to let 609 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 1: you know, by the way, thank you Charles for writing again, 610 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,480 Speaker 1: let us know. It's interesting insight. Um. But we did 611 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,759 Speaker 1: a little more digging and we found out that it 612 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:22,280 Speaker 1: is Thomas Edwin Costello, and we are going to keep digging. 613 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,840 Speaker 1: We hope that you enjoyed this episode, and we'd like 614 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 1: to hear what we should cover in upcoming episodes. There 615 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 1: are a couple of ways to find us. We're all 616 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: over the internet. Uh, check out Matt and I on Twitter. 617 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 1: See us on Facebook, where we post a lot of 618 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 1: stuff that we never get to do shows on Right. 619 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,480 Speaker 1: I was really excited about that blood thing. I don't know. 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