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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 2: We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and

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Speaker 2: what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling. Railvalry.

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Speaker 1: No, no, sibling. You don't do that with your mouth, revelry.

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Speaker 3: That's good.

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Speaker 2: I'm back back again, you know, I you know, turn

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Speaker 2: on zoom. No, we do it over zoom. And my

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Speaker 2: my next guest is in the waiting room right now.

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Speaker 2: And I use the word guest lightly because he's kind

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Speaker 2: of one of my best friends. Well, I'll get to

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Speaker 2: that in a minute, but yeah, I'm pushing. I'm thinking about,

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Speaker 2: you know, a little like botox, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: Like it's not a bad thing, and it's like who cares? Right,

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Speaker 2: who cares anymore? Maybe you get like a little regular

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Speaker 2: like botox situation, or like a little filler here and there.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I still want to look like myself, but

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Speaker 2: at the same time, sometimes it's just shocking, you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean, the wrinkles and the sunken eyes and

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Speaker 2: the crow's feet. Now I kind of did just wake up,

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Speaker 2: but I've done lasers on my face. I did this

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Speaker 2: thing called the Morpheus and it was kind of awesome.

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Speaker 2: And uh, my friend doctor Jason Diamond, the King, who

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Speaker 2: I've been friends with for a while, He's like, just

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Speaker 2: come in the office, let me let me laser your

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Speaker 2: face off. And I did it and it was kind

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Speaker 2: of great. And then he did this thing called the PRP,

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Speaker 2: which is like a vampire facial, which was nutty. They

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Speaker 2: drew blood from my arm, spun it till it was

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Speaker 2: just the plasma, and then like squirted it all over

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Speaker 2: my face and then used this sort of medieval looking

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Speaker 2: tool to like rake my face. It hurt, but whatever

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Speaker 2: it did, it kind of worked, you know. And then

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Speaker 2: he pulls out a needle and you know, shoots me

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Speaker 2: up with some shit. Yeah. I think it was pretty

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Speaker 2: I think it was like botox. I think I did botox,

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Speaker 2: you know. And I was like, all right, you know,

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Speaker 2: I still look I still look like myself. It's just

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Speaker 2: a little fresher thinking about thinking about hitting I think

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Speaker 2: about hitting it again, because why not, you know what,

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Speaker 2: I mean, who cares? Who cares? I mean, even if

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Speaker 2: even if the headline is Oliver Hudson does botox, like

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Speaker 2: you know, what, give a shit? Or is it even matter.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm rambling anyway. My guest is in

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Speaker 2: the waiting room. He's he's texting me as we speak.

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Speaker 2: I'm in, I'm in waiting, I'm on. He is a

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Speaker 2: very impatient man. He is one of the great announcers

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Speaker 2: of all time. He is my best friend. He is

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Speaker 2: my ex podcast partner from a show called Daddy Issues.

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Speaker 2: He is now my producing partner in an animated show

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Speaker 2: that we're doing called Daddy Issues, and he is the

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Speaker 2: recipient of eight plus hair transplant operations. Let's bring on

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Speaker 2: the one the only mister Joe Buck, open that door.

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Speaker 2: Bring the man in.

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Speaker 3: Wait to be late, shocking to a twelve o four.

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Speaker 3: I'm sitting here twelve oh one. Where's Oliver? Oh he's

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Speaker 3: not here. It's his podcast.

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Speaker 2: I just texted you. I do an intro and then

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Speaker 2: I come on. I literally want to hear the intro.

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Speaker 2: I don't trust you to do an intro when I

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Speaker 2: don't hear it. You're not pervy. Look, this isn't our

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Speaker 2: show anymore. Okay, Daddy Issues is over. Now you're on

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Speaker 2: my show, so you're not allowed to hear all of

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Speaker 2: the behind the scenes stuff. That's how I don't like that.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to hang up.

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Speaker 2: Do you miss us?

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Speaker 3: No? It just this just reminded me that I did

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Speaker 3: not miss this at all.

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Speaker 2: You fucking miss us, dude.

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Speaker 3: I do not miss you. I mean, I'm sorry, I

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Speaker 3: don't miss us.

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Speaker 2: Yes you do. We had a show called Daddy Issues.

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Speaker 2: That is it is still in demand. People still come

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Speaker 2: up and ask me, where's Daddy Issues? How come that's

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Speaker 2: not on? But Joe is just too busy at ESPN.

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Speaker 3: No, I just got tired of your video and audio

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Speaker 3: freezing because you have like your kids holding up tinfoil

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Speaker 3: so that you can connect with me.

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Speaker 2: I have been doing these solo for a while now

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Speaker 2: and I've had no issues. You know, maybe it's your energy.

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Speaker 2: Could be it could be your energy.

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Speaker 3: No, I miss you. I miss Kate. I missed the

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Speaker 3: whole Hudson thing. Uh. Yeah, we had fun. We had

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Speaker 3: a good podcast. You're right. I still get people talking

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Speaker 3: to me about it, which surprises me. You know, when

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Speaker 3: you think about the effort that you and I actually

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Speaker 3: put into it each week. It was minimal and we

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Speaker 3: just get on and talk like we were on the phone,

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Speaker 3: and talk about our wives and talk about our kids

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Speaker 3: and complain and make each other laugh and then we

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Speaker 3: hang up. And it was really no different than just

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Speaker 3: interacting as two friends. And yeah, I think it's it

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Speaker 3: was kind of therapeutic for me getting to do that

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Speaker 3: with you.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's let's uh, let's just do that. Let me

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Speaker 2: do it. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do a

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Speaker 2: like a sort of mid episode new intro. Hey, what's

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Speaker 2: up everybody? Joe Buck and Oliver Hudson back with daddy issues.

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Speaker 3: Nay, you have a dad. I had a dad. I've

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Speaker 3: got issues. You've got issues. I've got kids. They have dads.

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Speaker 3: You have kids, they have dads. Everybody's got daddy issues.

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Speaker 3: And away we go.

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Speaker 2: So what are some of your issues? What are some

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Speaker 2: of your situations that you've had with your children? By

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Speaker 2: the way, how are the boys?

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Speaker 3: The boys are good. Yeah, I mean I can't act

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Speaker 3: like anybody knows who the hell I am. So I

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Speaker 3: have kids, I've got kids. I mean, this is an

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Speaker 3: entirely different audience. We've already lost viewers listeners to this

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Speaker 3: since I chimed in. But yeah, I've got daughters who

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Speaker 3: are twenty seven and twenty four. The older one is

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Speaker 3: well now She's twenty eight when this airs, and she's

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Speaker 3: gonna get married in January. The twenty four year old

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Speaker 3: has worked the last two years for Ben Stiller on

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Speaker 3: a show called Severance. It's a second season. And then

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Speaker 3: I've got twin six year old boys with my wife Michelle,

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Speaker 3: who Michelle is dear friends with Oliver and his wonderful

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Speaker 3: wife Aaron, and our boys Blake and Wyatt. Are people

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Speaker 3: keep saying it's going to keep me young, and I'm

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Speaker 3: certain it's gonna kill me one day at a time,

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Speaker 3: just slowly drain the life out of me. Is my

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Speaker 3: fifty five year old body breaks down and my patience

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Speaker 3: grinds to an absolute stop.

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Speaker 2: This sounds awesome, buddy. It's a good advertisement for children

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Speaker 2: and just life in general.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's a good you know what, it's a

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Speaker 3: good advertisement for vasectomies. That's what it's a good advertisement for.

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Speaker 2: Do you meditate? No? Have you ever thought about it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I had a friend of mine, Tail Burkhart, great guy,

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Speaker 3: his stepdad Michael Gross from Family Ties, Fun fact for you.

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Speaker 3: He taught me transcendental meditation and gave me my little

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Speaker 3: go to words. It's supposed to calm me.

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Speaker 2: Down and yeah, you get that mantra, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, mantra. I could not turn off the inner voice

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Speaker 3: in my head. I was like, what am I doing

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Speaker 3: sitting here? I'd rather be sleeping, but I'm sitting here

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Speaker 3: doing this, and I'm thinking of the one hundred things

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Speaker 3: I have to do while I meditate.

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Speaker 2: It's a practice, right, So that's part of the meditation

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Speaker 2: is you go through that and if you do it enough,

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Speaker 2: then your mind starts to clear. But you never gave

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Speaker 2: it enough of a chance, probably, right.

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Speaker 3: That's fair. I did not. I did that. I mean,

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Speaker 3: the ritualistic part of it did. Like we had cut

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Speaker 3: up fruit and he there's like a robe involved, and

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Speaker 3: I don't really yeah, and I've known him forever, but

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Speaker 3: it became very transurable.

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Speaker 2: Sure, you know this guy and he's like and then

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Speaker 2: he gave me a pill and I woke up and

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Speaker 2: I was bleeding at it my butt. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: mean fruit and a robe.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, there was fruit. There was like

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Speaker 3: a pair. I don't think I've ever had a pair

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Speaker 3: ancient Greece and was where there's a robe and I

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Speaker 3: remember my word, which I'm not supposed to share with anybody.

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Speaker 3: He also went through this process with my wife. Of course,

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Speaker 3: she told me her word immediately. I'm like, you're not

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Speaker 3: be just for you. And yeah, she gave it up.

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Speaker 3: I did not. I still have mine. I can remember it.

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Speaker 3: It's not word, but it's supposed to get me into.

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Speaker 2: But it doesn't. None of this even matters anymore because

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Speaker 2: you don't even you know right, you don't use it,

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Speaker 2: you don't practice, you don't meditate. Do you do anything

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Speaker 2: spiritual for yourself in any way whatsoever spiritual?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean no, I'm not going to tell you

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Speaker 3: I'm stupid that But I will go to church every

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Speaker 3: I think is a eyes man. And now I don't

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Speaker 3: even see Oliver on this. So the fact that we

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Speaker 3: started talking about spirituality completely knocked him off the Internet.

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Speaker 3: So that's good.

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Speaker 2: Computer diet, computer died.

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Speaker 3: You didn't really cut out, You just went and redid

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Speaker 3: your hair.

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Speaker 2: I mean no, but I did shop my salad.

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Speaker 3: If you notice I did, I do as I'm giving

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Speaker 3: you shit about not being on time and blah blah

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Speaker 2: But the funny thing is is, again, this has not happened.

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Speaker 2: I think it's something between you and I.

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Speaker 3: You know, so you asked me do I do anything spiritual?

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Speaker 3: Let me let me guide you back to your own podcast.

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Speaker 3: You asked me if I do anything spiritual? And the

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Speaker 3: answer is I will go to church every once in

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Speaker 3: a while, even though I know you'll give me shit

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Speaker 3: about that.

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Speaker 2: You believe in God?

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Speaker 3: I do believe in God? Yeah, I do.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you believe in God? In what sense is there

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Speaker 3: I don't think it has to be like literal like

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Speaker 3: there's no I choose to not think of it being

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Speaker 2: So' well then, Joe Buck, what does God? What does

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Speaker 2: that mean to you? I mean, do you believe that

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Speaker 2: someone is judging you.

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Speaker 3: Always on earth as it is in heaven? Does this

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Speaker 3: day our daily judgment? Who judges show anyway you fucking

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Speaker 3: want on earth in heaven. I'm doing my best. I'm

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Speaker 3: a good person. I treat people well. I overtip. I

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Speaker 3: feel like people are excited to see me. I'm a

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Speaker 3: I'm a conscientious, hard working, truthful, good person. If that

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Speaker 3: gets me into heaven, great. If I die and I

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Speaker 3: no nothing after after die, I mean, it's called hedging

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Speaker 3: your bets. I feel like I might as well cover

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Speaker 3: all bases.

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Speaker 2: Got it, You're hedging, so it's a just in case

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Speaker 2: type of a belief.

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Speaker 3: No. I mean, I pray. I pray every day for

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Speaker 2: But it's just a skybarn't No. Those were the pearly

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Speaker 3: They were the pearly gates. I tend to either I

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Speaker 2: How great was that movie?

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Speaker 3: Oh God? Still here? Oh God? Oh God?

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Speaker 3: Sometimes I say keep them. I mean, I'll give you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to hear it.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, I'll just do it for Please, I'll just

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Speaker 3: do it for Natalie. Please protect Natalie, keeper safe, healthy, happy, learning, loving,

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Speaker 2: Not at all, Not at all. I hey, for Natalie's sake.

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Speaker 2: I think it's just something to make you feel comfortable.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well I like feel feeling comfortable. It's like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's you. That's that's your comfort. You prayed it

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Speaker 2: You, it's a bad thing. So your oldest daughter, Natalie

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Speaker 3: I don't know. But if I make it thirty years,

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Speaker 3: they're in their mid thirties, and you know that that

435
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 3: should be good enough. But I think about it, aging

436
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 3: and getting older and falling apart every day.

437
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Speaker 2: What's the fear, though, you know, is the fear of

438
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Speaker 2: death for you and aging about not being there for

439
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 2: the boys, or is it just more of I still

440
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 2: want to be on this earth.

441
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Speaker 3: I think it's more. I still want to be on

442
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 3: this earth. And I'm fortunate that I've got a great wife,

443
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 3: I've got the aforementioned obviously perfect kids, I've got a

444
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 3: great job. I've got great friends. Like you, I don't.

445
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 3: I'm very blessed, and I work at it and I

446
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 3: try to do the right thing all the time. But yeah,

447
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 3: I like my life, and you know, I think that's

448
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 3: more of it. I think they will be more than prepared.

449
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 3: And if it happens today and I'm not around, I

450
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 3: think they'll be still well covered and surrounded and be

451
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 3: raised the right way, but I think it's more about

452
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 3: me just not wanting to leave my life.

453
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Speaker 2: It's so true, But that's the real truth is if

454
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 2: you can get rid of that fear death meaning okay

455
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 2: it's going to happen, it truly allows you to sort

456
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 2: of live much easier and better.

457
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 3: I read The Daily Stoic, which I would love to

458
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 3: have the patients to get through the books that are

459
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 3: attached to that, whether it's meditations or by Marcus Aurelius,

460
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 3: or it's the books that the author of the Daily

461
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 3: Stoic has written. He's gotten another one coming out. I'd

462
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 3: love to have the patience for that and be able

463
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 3: to study that stuff and actually prove myself. But I

464
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 3: just I don't have it at this point. I feel

465
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 3: like I'm just keeping my head above water with the boys,

466
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 3: and by the time they're shut down for the night,

467
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 3: I'm pretty well shut down for the night. So we're

468
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 3: going day to day and I've got work stuff I've

469
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 3: got to read. But I you're right, it's coming for everybody,

470
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 3: and that's the whole thing. With their little coin they

471
00:26:55,680 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 3: have or something with the skull on it gonna die,

472
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 3: it's a reminder and it's you know, so while you're here,

473
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,719
Speaker 3: make the most of it, be a good person and

474
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 3: make you know, make the world a better place the small,

475
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 3: small way you can, and that's all you can do.

476
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 2: And so you love what you do. Obviously Hall of

477
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 2: Famer as far as broadcasting goes. But is this something

478
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 2: I mean, how much longer are you going to do this?

479
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 2: You know? I mean meaning meaning the back nine of

480
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 2: your life, which I think you have like six holes left.

481
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna go a full nine. I think you've

482
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Speaker 2: like maybe six holes, maybe one par five and a

483
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 2: couple of hard par threes, you know.

484
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll take can you can you throw another part

485
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 3: five in there, just so I have.

486
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 2: A little Okay, fine, you've got two par fives. You're

487
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 2: gonna start on the eleventh. It was certainly on the

488
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: twelfth hole par five and eighteen will be a part

489
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 2: five as well.

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Speaker 3: Okay. I like ending on par five because I think

491
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 3: a lot of movement happens on a leader board that way.

492
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Speaker 3: So maybe on that final par five I'll reach in

493
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 3: two and I'll leave the world in even better place. Yeah,

494
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 3: with a smile on my face.

495
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 2: Well, yes, So my question is, is you know, you

496
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 2: see broadcasters obviously go into their seventies and sometimes eighties, right,

497
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 2: So are you planning on doing that or are do

498
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 2: you have a point where you're like, I'm done. I'm

499
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 2: gonna be a dad, I'm gonna be a husband, I'm

500
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna have fun, not that you're not having fun,

501
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna retire.

502
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I watched my dad do that. My dad,

503
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 3: you know, died in two thousand and two and was

504
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 3: working in two thousand and one. I mean, he was

505
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 3: so funny. He had so many things going wrong. I

506
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 3: mean he had Parkinson's and he had a pacemaker, and

507
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 3: he had Type two diabetes, and he had all this

508
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 3: other stuff. And they dedicated a statue to him outside

509
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 3: Bush Stadium when it was his last year, I believe,

510
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 3: either his last or second to last year, not only

511
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 3: in the booth but on the earth, and he was

512
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 3: dealing with all these health ailments, and his speech was, well,

513
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 3: I'm very flattered that the Cardinals did this for me.

514
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 3: You know, I've given the Cardinals the best years of

515
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 3: my life and now I'm giving them the worst. And

516
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 3: that was just his sense of humor, like I'm barely

517
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 3: hanging on here, and so you're right. I mean, it

518
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 3: seems to be the one that and like aging guitarists

519
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 3: that don't ever die, that seem to still be able

520
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 3: to play despite a lifelong series of decisions that I

521
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 3: probably wouldn't make for my own personal health. But there

522
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 3: they are on tour yet again, playing the same solos

523
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 3: and doing the same songs. Yeah, I don't see that.

524
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 3: I think because I started so young. I was doing

525
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 3: the Cardinals when I was twenty one. I'd done two

526
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,479
Speaker 3: years of minor league baseball prior to that. I was

527
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 3: at Fox when I got hired at twenty four, was

528
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 3: for twenty eight years. I think my end then becomes

529
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 3: a little closer to a normal age than some people

530
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 3: who didn't get these opportunities until they were thirty, thirty five,

531
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 3: forty sometimes. I was already doing the World Series at

532
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 3: twenty seven, so I think my clock got sped up

533
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 3: a little bit. So I do not see me. I

534
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 3: don't see me doing this the rest of my life.

535
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 3: I don't. Maybe I will, probably It's probably dumb to

536
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 3: make declarative statements like that. Yeah, But as I sit

537
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 3: here now, I don't see that happening.

538
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 2: So let me ask you this question, okay, because I

539
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 2: know you obviously extremely well what you p zent on

540
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 2: television and in your interviews. Is this the real Joe Buck?

541
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: Meaning if you didn't have to answer to anybody and

542
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 2: you could be one hundred percent yourself, does the public

543
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 2: perceive you as the true you? Or are we going

544
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 2: to get a really nice taste of who Joe Buck

545
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 2: really is once once you hang the mic up? Yeah?

546
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 3: I think first of all, I think for whatever reason,

547
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 3: you don't seem to have to answer to anyone so

548
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 3: that we see the true Oliver Hudson uh on Instagram.

549
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,959
Speaker 3: Sometimes we probably shouldn't see the true Oliver Hudson on Instagram.

550
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 3: I think, you know, making making some of these videos

551
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 3: might might you might have somebody there talking out of

552
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 3: them sometimes, but God love you for just going with it.

553
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 3: Whether it was the million million follower dance or whatever

554
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 3: it is. I don't know, I don't I don't know

555
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 3: what it is. Uh So, I feel like you are

556
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 3: very You are exactly who you are. You present yourself

557
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,719
Speaker 3: exactly as who you are. Sometimes it gets you in trouble,

558
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 3: like comments you make to get picked up and I've

559
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 3: had it happen to me a thousand times where you

560
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 3: make a comment, you're being funny, you're being flippant, you're whatever,

561
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, that represents everything you are,

562
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 3: and it's like, oh my god, that's not the intent

563
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 3: of that at all. Somehow intent doesn't factor into the conversation.

564
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think I've become more and more open

565
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 3: and like who I am on the air, but certainly

566
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:47,959
Speaker 3: not wheels off just being myself. I don't care for

567
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 3: some reason. Barkley and God love him. We had him

568
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 3: on our podcast. He's been consistently a great guy to

569
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 3: both you and me. I think he is very, very

570
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 3: close to exactly who he is on the air. I

571
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 3: don't think he really cares if fans don't like him

572
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 3: in a certain city. I don't think he cares if

573
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 3: the executives. I mean, he's talked about it now it

574
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 3: being a TNT and going through NBA negotiations. I applaud

575
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 3: him for not caring and just being honest with who

576
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 3: he is, but there are very few So when I

577
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 3: hang it up, am I just going to start like

578
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 3: streaking through the quad? No? But I do think that

579
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 3: it will free me up to be a little bit

580
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 3: more like I am.

581
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: And do you wish that you could have more of

582
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: a barclay esque sort of sort of outlook or you know,

583
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 2: I mean, or you just you're happy with with what

584
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 2: you do and how you do it. Do you feel restricted?

585
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 3: I think you have to be if you want to

586
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 3: do that stuff. You have to be okay with seeing

587
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 3: the you know what do they call him, like aggregators

588
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 3: just shooting out click stuff with some crazy headline of

589
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 3: something you said, and you have to be okay with that,

590
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 3: And you have to not care that the New York

591
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 3: Post Joe Buck says super Bowl will be a mess. No,

592
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 3: that's not really what I said. My point was, And

593
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 3: I was on regular radio when I said that, I

594
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 3: wanted to say shit show and and ship shows are good.

595
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 3: I mean, like it's it's Vegas. I mean, that's why

596
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 3: it's there. It's it's gonna be wild and and you know,

597
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 3: I'm I'm getting less and less into kind of the wild,

598
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 3: big crowd thing the older I get, but that but

599
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 3: it was taken as like as like criticism or something

600
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 3: or negative, and it was the it was kind of

601
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 3: the opposite of that, like Hey, it's going to be crazy,

602
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 3: but that you have to be willing then, I mean

603
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 3: that ruined I was, I was headed to Mexico when

604
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 3: all that stuff got aggregated and pumped out of ruined

605
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 3: the entire week for me. So I'm I'm not good

606
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 3: with that. I think it stems back, right.

607
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 2: That's that's on you, though, because you just took it

608
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 2: so hard when you really could have just sort of brushed.

609
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 2: There's no doubt you're right now.

610
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I yes, so I wish that I could

611
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 3: not take that stuff so hard. I think it comes

612
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 3: from I mean, I go to therapy like you go

613
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 3: to therapy, And I think it comes from being a

614
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 3: fat kid on the playground, being made fun of, having to,

615
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 3: you know, try to make people, being being you know,

616
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 3: my books called Lucky Bastard, which is available nowhere, so

617
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 3: it's not a plug for it, but being you know,

618
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 3: kind of the surprise kid for my mom and dad

619
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 3: at a time when my dad had other kids and

620
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 3: another family going on, which is what my book is

621
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 3: kind of about in the beginning or in the early part,

622
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 3: and wanting to make these other kids, these other kids

623
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 3: like me, and they had every reason to kind of

624
00:35:54,800 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 3: resent my existence. I've always been a pleaser and always

625
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,959
Speaker 3: wanted everybody to walk away from me going, oh my god,

626
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 3: what a great guy. I feel like, you know, but

627
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 3: when you do a game to thirty million or in

628
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 3: the case of a super Bowl one hundred million people,

629
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 3: that's not going to happen. They don't have a personal

630
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 3: experience with you, and they their team probably just lost

631
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 3: and you're the one yelling about it. So and you know,

632
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 3: being excited for the other team. So you can't please everybody.

633
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 3: I wish I could, and I try hard to not

634
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 3: let that affect me, But yeah, I do believe that

635
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 3: I should be more like that, but I can't.

636
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 2: Were you vindictive, meaning like all the people who made

637
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 2: fun of you fatty Joey or whatever it was when

638
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 2: you became who he became. Is there a party that's like,

639
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 2: fuck you look at me now?

640
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 3: Zero? Really, I mean less than zero?

641
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 2: Wow, you didn't have that like, oh, y'all made fun

642
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: of me, y'all bullied me or whatever, Now look at me.

643
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 3: No, No, that's you know me well enough, And no

644
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 3: that's not how I think. I never and that's not

645
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 3: me being humble. I swear to God on my children

646
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 3: that I obviously pray for that. I've never had that

647
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 3: thought like, oh look at me. I think part of

648
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 3: that too, comes from being my dad's son and having

649
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 3: all these incredible legs up and opportunities at young at

650
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 3: a young age, because you know, he was he came

651
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 3: from zero. I mean, he had no money. They came

652
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 3: from dirt poor, went through the Depression, only went to

653
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 3: college because he was in World War Two and was

654
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 3: on the GI bill and made himself. And then here

655
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 3: I come along, his son, like getting all of these

656
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 3: opportunities and and and having a masterclass class every night

657
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 3: of my summer. Yeah, I just there's like guilt involved.

658
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 3: So I've never been like, ah, look at me. I'm

659
00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 3: just not that way, I know.

660
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 2: But you still have to be good at what you do.

661
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 2: You know, the foot can go in the door, but

662
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: if you sucked, you wouldn't be where you're at.

663
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the early part of it too, especially

664
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 3: if I had stunk when I was twenty one or

665
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 3: twenty two doing the Cardinals, I would have been probably

666
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 3: flushed out quicker too. I don't if it's like, oh

667
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 3: my god, Bucks kid stinks, I think, you know, the

668
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 3: spotlight's pretty bright. And then Fox gave me all these

669
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 3: great opportunities and I didn't screw it up. And that's

670
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 3: you know, I proved that I could do it despite

671
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 3: the you know, Twitter, oh good thing, you had a

672
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 3: famous dad and all that other stuff. Yeah, I agree

673
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,760
Speaker 3: with you. You have to still be able to do it, obviously,

674
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 3: but it does not lead me into the winter circle

675
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 3: in my mind, like I've done it and you guys

676
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 3: can all kiss my ass. That's just not the way

677
00:38:58,800 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 3: I think.

678
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 2: Oh, I have a little bit of that, you know.

679
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 2: Even though I did get my foot in the door

680
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 2: as well, no doubt about it. But I had I

681
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 2: had an acting teacher in Boulder, Colorado, and granted I

682
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 2: deserved the D minus. I deserved it because I would

683
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: just fuck around in there and I didn't even want

684
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 2: to be an actor at the time. It wasn't a

685
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 2: goal of mine. I thought it was going to be

686
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 2: an easy class and I had a great time in it,

687
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 2: but got a D. He gave me a D minus.

688
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 2: I got my first television show twenty four. I was

689
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 2: the lead of it, and I was in People magazine.

690
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 2: I had you know, magazine articles or whatever you do.

691
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 2: The press, and I clipped them all out and I

692
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 2: sent them to this guy, to the teacher in Boulder

693
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 2: with a note that said, thanks for the D minus.

694
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 3: That's great. And by and by the way, I'm available

695
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 3: to guest speak in your class anytime, so I can

696
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 3: actually tell the class that despite whatever bad grade you

697
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 3: may get, you might still have a career despite what

698
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:11,280
Speaker 3: this guy or lady said. You know, I got an award.

699
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 3: And I only say this part because it's relevant to

700
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 3: the story, but from my high school a distinguished Alumni

701
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 3: award a couple of months ago, and I showed up

702
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 3: there and the campus is still in the same spot.

703
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 3: The chapel where the thing where the ceremony was held

704
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 3: is a different chapel, but in the same spot. And

705
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 3: I walked in there as the distinguished alumni with somebody

706
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 3: from the fifties, somebody from the sixties, somebody from the seventies.

707
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 3: I was from the eighties. Sterling K. Brown went to

708
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 3: my high school. He got it a couple of years ago.

709
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 3: Vincent Price. We had three sitting senators at one point,

710
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 3: and so it's got a great history. And I went

711
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 3: in there like thinking, oh my god, this is going

712
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 3: to be this is going to be that moment you

713
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 3: just talked about, like the kid that was made fun

714
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 3: of one hundred yards from here is now getting the

715
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 3: Distinguished Alumni ward. And I walked in there and I

716
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 3: felt exactly the same way I felt when I was

717
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 3: a pict on kid. I was like, I did not

718
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 3: get any sense of look at me now or satisfaction

719
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 3: from that. I was just like, here, I I'm back,

720
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 3: and I feel the same way I did when I

721
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 3: was thirteen and or seventeen. It's nice deep.

722
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 2: That's deep. That shit is deep will stick with you forever.

723
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 2: I don't think any amount of therapy can actually heal that.

724
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 3: For it, No, I need to hang with Aaron Rodgers

725
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 3: in the offseason and see if we can expunge some

726
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:46,720
Speaker 3: of the stuff.

727
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 2: You can do some ayahuasca and in ketamine and I

728
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 2: think you'll be all right.

729
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, that should just do the trick, you know me,

730
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 3: nobody's better just kind of giving up the reins and

731
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 3: being wild than me. I mean, I'm do you want

732
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 3: to be out of control? Come see me?

733
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 2: Oh my god Jesus Christ. Yeah. So obviously you're one

734
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 2: of my best friends and I love you, But I

735
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 2: have a question why do you think you're such an asshole?

736
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 3: Because I'm hanging around people like you.

737
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: No, it's a joke, but for real, Like, you can

738
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: be a dick, there's no doubt about it.

739
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 3: But I have no patience.

740
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you can be a total asshole, Like, why

741
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 2: do you think that? If you're going to attribute that?

742
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 3: So now I have to accept your supposition that I'm

743
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 3: an asshole?

744
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: And do you accept that you can be a real asshole?

745
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 3: Okay, that I can be?

746
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 2: Oh, you are not totally. No, of course I'm going

747
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 2: to be a great friend with you being an asshole.

748
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 2: I'm saying you can be a real dick.

749
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 3: So can you not?

750
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 2: Really?

751
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 3: Yeah?

752
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 2: You can not really? Joe, Yeah, you can't tell me?

753
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 2: Why why do you feel like hand less? She's upstairs?

754
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 2: I mean I have been a horrible human being. There's

755
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 2: no doubt about that.

756
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 3: Right But okay, all right, Well now we're splitting hairs

757
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 3: on the on the on the negative side, what.

758
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 2: Would Michelle say If I was to ask Michelle and say, well,

759
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 2: why why do you think Joe can be an asshole?

760
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: What would her answer be?

761
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 3: Well, first you would have to ask, do you think

762
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 3: Joe can be an asshole. The answer would be yes.

763
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, okay, So what do you attribute it to.

764
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 3: There's a subtle difference by the way of is an

765
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 3: asshole or can be an asshole?

766
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 2: One hundred percent?

767
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 3: Okay?

768
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 2: So why can you be an asshole? What happens to

769
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 2: your body physically where you just that's it and boom

770
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 2: you're like, Joe, chill out, don't be such a dick.

771
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I don't know. I think there's got

772
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 3: to be Like I was on antidepressants. I got off

773
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 3: antidepressants when you and I were in Cabo this last time.

774
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 3: I was not on him, and I have since gotten

775
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 3: back on them. It's something to delay the reaction time

776
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 3: between an event happening and something happening. Whatever it is,

777
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 3: Blake punched me in the nuts, the car's late, the

778
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 3: I don't even know what, a million different things.

779
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 2: It wasn't Blake or Wyatt who bit the head of

780
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 2: your wiener.

781
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 3: Blake, he was scared. He buried his head in my

782
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 3: There's nothing I did. He was hiding from.

783
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 2: We told the story on our podcast before, but like.

784
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 3: He was hiding from his uncle who was at his

785
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 3: birthday party dressed as Batman. It was a good costume.

786
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 3: Looked like Batman came around the corner, scared the shit

787
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 3: out of him, and he came running to me, buried

788
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,479
Speaker 3: his head and was like, oh, buried his head because

789
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 3: he was that tall Barry's head right in my crotch.

790
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 3: I was standing up holding a cup of coffee, by

791
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 3: the way, and the next thing and I'm like, he

792
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 3: he could not have bit me more well on me anyway, okay,

793
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 3: drew blood by the way. Yeah, And then I basically

794
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 3: just like reaction, shushed him and down he went. And

795
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 3: then Michelle's like, what did you do? I'm like, I, I,

796
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 3: this is the most primal reaction I've ever had in

797
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 3: my life. I there was the most out of nowhere. Whatever,

798
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 3: we'll move on. I think I'm hopeful that being back

799
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 3: on the antidepressants will delay and allow me to go

800
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 3: do I really want to get crazy mad about, you know,

801
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 3: Blake hitting me in the back of the poor Blake

802
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 3: Wyatt hitting me in the back of the head with

803
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 3: the baseball, which has happened, or.

804
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 2: It's just also just frustration, Like I understand that, and

805
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 2: I feel that sometimes.

806
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 3: But I go from your right, I go from zero

807
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 3: to sixty right right in a blink, and I don't

808
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 3: know how to calm that down. And the older I

809
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 3: get zero to sixty goes from you know, let's say

810
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,439
Speaker 3: one full second to zero point nine to point eight,

811
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 3: two point seven to point six to where I'm by

812
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 3: the time I'm sixty five, I'm going to be anticipating

813
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 3: it and I'll be ahead of it, and then I

814
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 3: will be an asshole because I'll be just constantly.

815
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 2: What like, like, nothing happened, dad, I know, but it will.

816
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 3: It will. It's like Minority Report where I you're about

817
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 3: to do something, You're about to commit a crime, and

818
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 3: the cop just told me that I need to be

819
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 3: mad in about four seconds.

820
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 2: Oh totally. I feel that though. I feel that age

821
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 2: does that age wears on the nerves and it's just

822
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 2: less and less and less patience.

823
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 3: And it happens. And the worst thing is it happens

824
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 3: at night. By the end of the of the day,

825
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 3: it's like, oh my god, it's eight Okay, these kids

826
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 3: should be in bed. Now it's eight thirty. Now they're

827
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 3: like stalling. Now they're you know, doing bullshit. Now we're

828
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 3: and I'm like, come on, guys, guys, and what drives

829
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 3: me crazy. Now, maybe I'm misremembering how I was when

830
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 3: I was a kid, but I feel like when my

831
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 3: dad spoke, it was like God talking to Moses, like I,

832
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 3: you know, like get pick up your pick up your

833
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 3: goddamn toy or whatever it was. I was like ing,

834
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 3: I was gone, like picking them up. These kids, you

835
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 3: say something and then don't even flinch. It's like they

836
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 3: don't they don't move. There's not even a batting of

837
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 3: the eye forget get up and do it. It's like

838
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 3: you didn't even say it.

839
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 2: So true.

840
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 3: But by the end of like the third time, I'm done,

841
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 3: I'm like, and Michelle will be like, don't yell at

842
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 3: the boys. I'm like, that's not yelling. Me going blake, yeah, Wyatt,

843
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 3: let's get to bed. Like I guess that's yelling. It's

844
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 3: louder than my talking voice.

845
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, no, I'm with you. I'm with you.

846
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I think we all parent, you know, using

847
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 2: the tactics of fear and bribery, and we've you know,

848
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 2: it's like the pamphlet for parenting that I want to

849
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 2: write because I don't know if I can do a

850
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 2: whole book on it. But basically, forget about doctor Spock

851
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 2: or whatever these fucking parenting books are. At the end

852
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 2: of the day, you just revert back to fear and bribery.

853
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 2: If you don't do this, this is gonna happen to you,

854
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 2: or I'll give you this if you do this. I mean,

855
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 2: that's it, all right, We're gonna get out of here.

856
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 2: But I love you, Joe. One more quick question. Have

857
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: you ever had Have you ever had true sort of

858
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 2: issues or fights with like a Troy Aikman or any

859
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 2: of your counterparts where it's not just a little squabble,

860
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,919
Speaker 2: but something that like really went down. It was bad

861
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 2: that we had to do a game where it was

862
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,280
Speaker 2: just like, I'm not feeling you right now.

863
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great question. I don't think anybody's ever

864
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 3: actually asked me that in that way, and I can

865
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 3: honestly say, no. It's funny you asked me this year

866
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 3: because we've done the podcast and there was something that

867
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 3: had happened between trying me that was very It was

868
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 3: a total misunderstanding that he thought I was thinking one thing,

869
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 3: I thought he was thinking another, and he thought that

870
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 3: it affected our relationship at the end of last year.

871
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 3: And I say that because I brought this topic up

872
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 3: with him, and I thought it was like a nothing thing,

873
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 3: and he's like, yeah, you know, I misunderstood. I said, no,

874
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 3: I misunderstood you. I didn't know where you were coming from.

875
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 3: And he said, yeah, I really felt like that affected

876
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 3: us at the end of last year. And I was like, man,

877
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 3: I didn't even sense that, but I'm thankful that and

878
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 3: I try I work at this. I had Tim McCarver

879
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 3: for eighteen years and we were in very at least

880
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 3: in my business, very tense situations and high stress. And

881
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 3: he was much older than me, but I always and

882
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 3: he and my dad worked together at one point, and

883
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 3: they did not get along for those two years that

884
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 3: they worked together, and obviously I was team Dad, so

885
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 3: I had some animosity built up before they put Tim

886
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 3: and me together in nineteen ninety six and we did

887
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 3: all these games, and I was a young guy, was

888
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 3: whatever twenty six at the time, and I had to

889
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 3: talk to him and say at the seminar the first

890
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 3: time we all met, I was like, look, I know

891
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 3: it didn't go well with my dad. I know some

892
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 3: of the stuff that was said, but and you know

893
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 3: how close I am with my dad, But you and

894
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 3: I are going to be judging how you and I do,

895
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 3: and we've got to be partners, and we've got to

896
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 3: sing out of the same hymnal and we got a

897
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 3: blah blah blah. And I think he appreciated it. It

898
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 3: took the pressure out, by the way.

899
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 2: Sorry sorry to interrupt, but that's a really ballsy, confident

900
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 2: thing to do, young man. Going up to McCarver and

901
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 2: expressing yourself that way, I mean, has to be appreciated.

902
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 2: But that's a really mature thing.

903
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 3: It was the elephant in the room in my mind

904
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 3: that could not be avoided. And maybe it was as

905
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 3: much for me. I think, you know what, I think

906
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 3: I did it because I wanted to take the pressure

907
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:46,240
Speaker 3: off him, which makes me sound like I'm being the martyr,

908
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 3: but I'm not. I'm just saying I think he felt

909
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 3: because they had tension that if if you know, now

910
00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 3: he's working with this guy's kid, that some I just

911
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 3: something needed to be said and I and so, but

912
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 3: that's the only time. And then this last offseason with Troy,

913
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 3: I mean, he's one of my best friends. Tim McCarver

914
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 3: was older than me, but I used to joke on

915
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 3: air that he was like a best friend or a

916
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 3: weird uncle or a whatever. But and John Smoltz the

917
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 3: same way. The most the easiest going human being ever

918
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 3: is John Smoltz and Harold Reynolds and Tom Berducci, all

919
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 3: good people that all worked hard. And I think if

920
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,720
Speaker 3: somebody sees your partner in that case that you're working hard,

921
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 3: you just you've got each other's backs. I've never had

922
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 3: any issue like that, Thank god it because I know

923
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 3: it does happen, and I can hear it sometimes on

924
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 3: TV with other people, and I've just never been there.

925
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 2: Is it ever when you go off aired a commercial,

926
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,439
Speaker 2: someone had ever said to you, hey, like you gotta

927
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 2: let me finish before you jump in, or you know,

928
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 2: you just you got to, or have you ever said

929
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 2: you got a chill for a second. None of that,

930
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 2: It's just the flow happens.

931
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 3: Well, I've worked with two guys that at the time

932
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 3: wanted that they wanted coaching. A guy named Tim Green

933
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 3: who's amazing and dealing with als and it's been interviewed

934
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,760
Speaker 3: twice and they've done pieces on him in sixty minutes.

935
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 3: He's wonderful. He's got a podcast he does with his

936
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 3: son Troy he's great, but he was right off the

937
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 3: field and it never broadcast anything, so I was I

938
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 3: was new to football, not new to broadcasting, and I

939
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 3: would basically give him feedback every commercial break like this

940
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 3: was good, this was too much, but he wanted that.

941
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 3: And I was getting a lot of that stuff from

942
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 3: my dad at the time. And then another guy named

943
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 3: Brian Baldinger, who does a million things and does it

944
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 3: does them very well on NFL network. He and I

945
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 3: did games, and he was just so hyper that that

946
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 3: he was like almost ready to jump out of the

947
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 3: booth and it won and he would he would cut

948
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 3: me off and whatever, which is no big deal. But

949
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 3: I said, just physically take a step back, like physically

950
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 3: moved back from the front of the booth because you're

951
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 3: just so on your toes and ready to go one

952
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 3: hundred miles an hour. Just chill, like relax and you're

953
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 3: still going to be have enough energy to get through it.

954
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 3: So that's it. I mean. Otherwise, No, I've never never

955
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 3: had anything where it's been like, hey, I'm right, let

956
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 3: me finish my call before you do your thing. Yeah,

957
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 3: I've never had that.

958
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 2: Do you see there's a there's a button like a

959
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 2: cough button. So if you have to cough, you can

960
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 2: push the button that mutes you. Right, you have that.

961
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we have a cough button, and we have

962
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,720
Speaker 3: another button that talks down to the production truck.

963
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 2: Okay, So have you or one of your counterparts ever

964
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 2: had to fart and push the cough button and farted?

965
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 2: Tell me the truth. I swear to god, no one's

966
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,399
Speaker 2: ever smoltzer and it has ever been.

967
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:01,439
Speaker 3: Like oh like because somebody really have to like make

968
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 3: noise and make it.

969
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, just in case.

970
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 3: Well, I think you'd probably wait for the commercial. Take

971
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,879
Speaker 3: your headset off. I mean, it's not just the two.

972
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 3: You're not the only two people up there. I know,

973
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 3: there's there's like fifteen people up there.

974
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 2: So you've never farted on air, I don't.

975
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 3: I mean no, I don't think so, like an audible

976
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 3: like an audible thing.

977
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 2: Yeah no, so you've let them out like slowly where

978
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 2: it's like god, I gotta I gotta far too much

979
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 2: chili before the game was like thirty and two, you know,

980
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,720
Speaker 2: I like, holy shit, Look, yeah.

981
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 3: No, I can't wait for this to get aggregated.

982
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too, it's gonna be all right. Well, I

983
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 2: love you buddy, thank you for doing this and humoring me.

984
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 2: I miss being I miss doing this with you. We

985
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 2: should do like a Union tour with Daddy issues.

986
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 3: We should we should get uh, we should just be

987
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 3: like the openers for Bateman Bateman thing. We can like

988
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 3: warm up the crowd. Yeah, talk by Daddy issues. Get

989
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 3: everybody just in a freendy Oh yeah, you go, Hey,

990
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 3: here's will Aarnett and La La.

991
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then everyone will leave because they wish that

992
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:22,280
Speaker 2: we were up there instead.

993
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say it, but you can.

994
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,919
Speaker 2: Okay. One more question. Do you wish you made more

995
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 2: money as much money as Tom Brady now that he's announcing.

996
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 2: Do you feel like you deserve to be paid or

997
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 2: you don't.

998
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 3: No, I haven't won any Super Bowls? No, right, okay,

999
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 3: it's only one guy that's won seven and it's exactly

1000
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 3: seven more than I have, So good for him. Have

1001
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,439
Speaker 3: you talked to him at all about it about the money? No?

1002
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no no, not the money. You are

1003
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 2: you're the you know, look again, Hall of fame. You're

1004
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 2: one of the kings of the industry. Has he come

1005
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 2: to you at all and said, like, not advice, but

1006
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 2: picking your brain.

1007
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 3: He's talked to Troy h he's talked to others. He

1008
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 3: has not talked to me. I think, you know, just

1009
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 3: because I'm I'm the play by play guy Higheron, I'm

1010
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:16,959
Speaker 3: the play by play guy, and he's got a great

1011
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 3: one to work with. So I but I did. At

1012
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 3: the end of the year two years ago, we were

1013
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 3: getting ready for his playoff game, which turned out to

1014
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 3: be his last game, and he said, I said, hey, Tom,

1015
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 3: you know, because he'd already signed his deal with Fox, like, hey, Tom,

1016
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 3: you're gonna be doing these on the other side here.

1017
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 3: Soon you're gonna be talking to the quarterback of the Browns,

1018
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 3: or you're gonna be talking to whatever. Said, aren't you excited?

1019
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 3: He goes, Oh my god, Yeah, I'm gonna have to

1020
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 3: talk to you guys about what the heck I'm supposed

1021
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 3: to do when that time comes. So I think it's

1022
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 3: been on his mind. I think he's one of those

1023
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 3: guys that pours everything he has and everything he does.

1024
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 3: So I'm sure he has exhausted a network of people

1025
00:57:56,440 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 3: that have been color analysts, but he's no, he's not

1026
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 3: talked to me.

1027
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I still think you wish you were

1028
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 2: getting paid as much as he was.

1029
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, who wouldn't not me.

1030
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 2: I'm happy with making no money right now and talking

1031
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 2: to you all right, all right, I love you so much, buddy,

1032
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,439
Speaker 2: Thank you for doing this, and of course we'll chat

1033
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 2: very very shortly.

1034
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 3: All right. Bye.

1035
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 2: You would think that interviewing like one of your best

1036
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 2: friends would be easier, but it's more difficult, you know,

1037
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 2: because you sort of are trying to take on this

1038
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 2: role as an interviewer but also friends. And you know,

1039
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 2: it took a minute to sort of get the engine started,

1040
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 2: you know. I'm sure there'll be some headlines coming out

1041
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 2: as I don't know, but anyway, Joe, I love you,

1042
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 2: Thank you for coming on. Buddy. That man is assault

1043
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 2: of the earth. He's the most generous person that I know. Yeah,

1044
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 2: he can be an asshole. We can all be assholes,

1045
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 2: but that man has has my vote across the board

1046
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 2: for everything. All right, Revelers, if that's what we call you, guys,

1047
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 2: I love you. I'm in love with all of you. Peace.