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Speaker 4: We short one today, Barry Church, Big Church, Hey man

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Speaker 2: That's that's that old school remedy, Ginger Ale.

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Speaker 4: And then my mom will make Dr Pepper. She warmed

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Speaker 4: it up really yeah another right there? Yeah, man, I

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Speaker 4: ain't heard about put the limit in that Dr Pepper. Yes, sir, Yes, sir,

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Speaker 4: so yes, this time of the year, man, you need remedies.

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Speaker 2: I take care of things. That sounds like some hot

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Speaker 2: dr pepper.

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Speaker 5: Through what is man? Make make it do do what

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Speaker 5: to do?

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Speaker 2: Do do do what it do.

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Speaker 5: So congratulations Trey.

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Speaker 4: You were the only one who picked the charges last night,

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Speaker 4: end up winning, And all I could just say to

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Speaker 4: myself is few the cowboys. How are you not just

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Speaker 4: continuing to kick yourself about these opportunities. Philadelphia is letting

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Speaker 4: you back in and you're not doing your to take it.

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Speaker 6: That's a double when you sit there and look at

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Speaker 6: what's going on.

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Speaker 7: You sit there and say, man, you you you talk

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Speaker 7: about those games, but those the things that you would

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Speaker 7: think make you think about this right now. It's also

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Speaker 7: the same thing that kind of makes you complacent, like

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Speaker 7: to say, oh, we're still in this, we still got

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Speaker 7: a shot. Like it's not putting like that pressure on

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Speaker 7: you to actually say, hey, man, let's go ahead and

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Speaker 7: take over with this, like you're still giving them that

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Speaker 7: help you.

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Speaker 4: But they said that last week before Detroit, and it

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Speaker 4: was like, Okay, we gotta we know, we got to

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Speaker 4: do we gotta.

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Speaker 5: Locked in ya gotta.

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Speaker 6: It didn't happen even out this week.

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Speaker 8: Well, I mean, you know, and and unfortunately, you know,

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Speaker 8: we already know the Cowboys can put up points for

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Speaker 8: pretty much everybody, you know, and and and the sad

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Speaker 8: part about it is they can't stop what's going on

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Speaker 8: on the other side of the bar.

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Speaker 2: So we can't stop people.

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Speaker 8: They can't stop people from putting points on them and

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Speaker 8: watching and seeing what's going on with Philly right now,

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Speaker 8: just like you said, leaving that door open, I mean,

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Speaker 8: and it ain't wide open, but it's cracked, you know

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Speaker 8: what I mean. And So with this being said, with

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Speaker 8: the Cowboys having what we got four games left this

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Speaker 8: games all right, Hey, I know that the Chargers was

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Speaker 8: looked at as possibly being one of those games that

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Speaker 8: them looking like they did last night, this, this the

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Speaker 8: Vikings game, and this Charger game, hey, they might not

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Speaker 6: What'd you think I was, BC was here to combat

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Speaker 9: I mean, you know, he got the hope, he got

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Speaker 9: the hope, But like I don't because I've just seen

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Speaker 9: it too many times, man, I've just seen it too

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Speaker 9: many times that they're gonna find this team just finds

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Speaker 9: a way to let you down.

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Speaker 6: They just do.

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Speaker 4: Man, they find a way to let you down. I

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Speaker 4: mean the Lions game. Man, I was all in on it.

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Speaker 4: What I say, thirty to twenty one, BC had Cowboys

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Speaker 4: twenty eight, twenty four a D you had the Cowboys

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Speaker 4: thirty twenty three. Of the four of us, you trade,

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Speaker 4: you went with de Truit. We're like here, we're buying it. Okay, No,

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Speaker 4: what do we get? Not only do you lose? They

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Speaker 4: score forty four points. We thought the defense was turned around.

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Speaker 4: You've got Jake Ferguson turning the football over, got Davon

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Speaker 6: You know, oh my man on means.

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Speaker 4: You know, you've got George Pickens not playing his best

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Speaker 5: Whole big circus right there.

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Speaker 4: Cedee Lamb, who was having a great game, gets a concussion.

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Speaker 4: He's knocked out of the game. Your tackles are once

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Speaker 4: again making you say, oh my gosh, you'll kill Dak

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Speaker 4: Prescott for the season. So all of these things are

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Speaker 4: right here, and just like, man, why do I do

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Speaker 5: Why why if you're killing it?

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Speaker 8: Was different this year because now I have been a

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Speaker 8: part of it too as well, because living in Dallas,

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Speaker 8: growing up a Cowboy fan, and it's one of those

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Speaker 8: type of things like we all know, like that's that's

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Speaker 8: that's a hard love affair to shake.

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Speaker 2: For some reason.

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Speaker 8: I can't say what it is about the Cowboys, but

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Speaker 8: long term fan, and you know, it's it's it's they

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Speaker 8: had momentum this year. It wasn't just hopium that she

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Speaker 8: was on this year. They actually had some momentum. You know,

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Speaker 8: the defense was looking good, the George Pickens was doing

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Speaker 2: It wasn't just the normal like, oh it's just hype train. No,

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Speaker 5: But but I come back.

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Speaker 4: Into this, you know, I said before you you know,

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Speaker 4: when churches like they going t win ten game, I said,

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Speaker 4: they were not winning ten games.

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Speaker 5: I didn't have this as a playoff team. But then

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Speaker 5: here I go, wait, but you wouldn't but you wouldn't

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Speaker 5: know the.

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Speaker 8: Hood, Hey was it not winning ten games with Micah

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Speaker 8: or after the Micah thing.

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Speaker 4: With Micah, still didn't have a winning ten games, didn't

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Speaker 4: have to make the playoffs because when I looked at Micah,

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Speaker 4: my thing was, he's not enough.

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Speaker 5: He's you won some games from last year, so he's

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Speaker 5: not enough.

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Speaker 4: Because the back end was an issue, right, I had

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Speaker 4: question marks about the linebacker. I just didn't know it

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Speaker 4: seven seven win team. I didn't have them and not

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Speaker 4: knowing what Brian Schottenheimer was going to bring as a

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Speaker 4: as a defensive coordinator, I mean offensive coordinator, and knowing

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Speaker 4: who wants to have a dominant three technique and you

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Speaker 4: this doesn't compute. And I thought Washington was going to

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Speaker 4: come back and have a better, you know, a better year.

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Speaker 5: I thought philed LP.

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Speaker 6: I just didn't.

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Speaker 4: I didn't think they were going to be up to

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Speaker 7: So but even with them not being up to snuff,

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Speaker 7: they what's the old saying, the same thing. They can

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Speaker 7: make you laugh, make you cry when you think about it.

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Speaker 7: The stuff that they've been doing is the same stuff

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Speaker 7: that they gave you hope, the wild plays like, let's

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Speaker 7: be real, George Picken did what he's been doing all year,

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Speaker 7: like he's been catching like that, he's been running with

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Speaker 7: the ball like that, he's been making the those excited plays.

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Speaker 7: And now that you get exposed, like you know how

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Speaker 7: it is ad what did they say, Oh, this is

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Speaker 7: good until it's not good?

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Speaker 6: And that's what's that's and that's what's been happening right now.

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Speaker 7: George is all he's been having those type of ball

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Speaker 7: what it has been, It's been spotty at best. DAK

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Speaker 7: has been up and down, and so those same things

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Speaker 7: I was.

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Speaker 6: I was a week off.

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Speaker 7: When I made that, uh that prediction a couple of

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Speaker 7: weeks ago. I said, man, watch, I said, you know

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Speaker 7: what Dallas always do. They do real good and watch

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Speaker 7: they gonna go out here and beat the Eagles. They

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Speaker 7: might even manage to beat KC. I thought they were

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Speaker 7: is the time and time again.

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Speaker 4: So where I got fooled One more time is here's Detroit,

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Speaker 4: winning team having its own issues, but still a winning team,

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Speaker 4: the Cowboys. The Cowboys on the road against winning teams,

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Speaker 4: the records bad. It's like three for twelve, and it's

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Speaker 4: it's been a it's been a case where they don't

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Speaker 4: they just don't get it done.

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Speaker 5: And within this.

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Speaker 4: Game at Ford Field in Detroit, they were their own

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Speaker 4: and you did your part to obliterate your chances. And

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Speaker 4: then watching Philly last night do their part to just

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Speaker 4: where I kind of kicked myself, like why why do

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Speaker 7: But that's where you say this the difference between good

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Speaker 7: teams and teams that are okay like you.

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Speaker 5: When we win ten games?

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Speaker 2: This is it.

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Speaker 6: This is exactly what they are who you thought they were.

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Speaker 7: You should have stayed with your first mindset and it's like,

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Speaker 7: what have they done to prove to you at this point?

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Speaker 7: And don't get me wrong, the pieces were there, the

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Speaker 7: little things were there.

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Speaker 4: But but what you see within the three games, you

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Speaker 4: saw them go to Vegas after you know, the first

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Speaker 4: game since Marshawn Neland's passing, play together.

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Speaker 5: Get it done.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Vegas is bad, one of the worst thing, but

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Speaker 4: On the road. You go and you take care of Philadelphia, Cay,

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Speaker 4: you take care of your jamp down, you know, down

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Speaker 4: double digits, come back, win the game. Then four days

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Speaker 4: later you're ready for Kansas City. You get it done

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Speaker 4: there with the opportunity.

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Speaker 5: I'm in the.

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Speaker 4: Locker room, I'm talking to guys. Okay, they get it

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Speaker 4: and they see it.

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Speaker 8: So this is and then you know, just like you know,

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Speaker 8: you get a chance to marinate some meat, right and

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Speaker 8: it sits for a few days, and and and then

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Speaker 8: once once you're ready to cook it that that that

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Speaker 8: taste has changed. It's it's like a different thing than

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Speaker 8: you bought.

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Speaker 4: All right, Turky Bryan Baby, ready to go.

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Speaker 2: The cowboys. The cowboys they ain't marinating. They haven't marinated yet.

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Speaker 8: The culture hasn't changed yet, you know, the momentum change.

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Speaker 8: And so like I said, like we got caught up

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Speaker 8: So tell me where the culture change culture, because they're

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Speaker 7: They won those two games.

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Speaker 7: We can see that they already broke ground on it.

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Speaker 4: This has happened under several co coach is now where

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Speaker 5: I said for the years, not a playoff team.

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Speaker 4: Then all of a sudden they win three games, and

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah. And then I go see the Detroit game

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Speaker 4: what do we do? Cavante turping out here once again

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Speaker 6: You hurt look hurt me.

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Speaker 4: You playing twelve yards off the coverage and it's got

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Speaker 4: I mean, there was just so many things.

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Speaker 5: You're just like, my god, what I saw? What's changed?

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Speaker 5: We keep seeing this out?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So so they broke ground.

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Speaker 8: The times people break ground and then don't nothing happened

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Speaker 7: Would I wouldn't necessarily say it's a hiccup because it's

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Speaker 2: I didn't give them ten wins this season.

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Speaker 7: I didn't give them ten wins either, but you also

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Speaker 4: Here's what hasn't changed. There's still a team that can't

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Speaker 6: They started off hot at the beginning right now, Okay,

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Speaker 7: They are now at that time when they beat Washington,

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Speaker 4: They wasn't like but you beat a team that's got

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Speaker 5: You beat Philly, one team would have winning record.

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Speaker 4: One team you beat Kansas City can't see them and

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Speaker 7: Yes, So what I was saying with the whole culture

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Speaker 7: They've been into these games. These games that they have lost,

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Speaker 4: ain't lost ten of eleven games right now, but they

443
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,800
Speaker 4: got you. What's changed because this is what they were

444
00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,160
Speaker 4: doing before and then the week before the Broncos tore

445
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Speaker 4: you up.

446
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Speaker 7: And then what and then what happened? They got got

447
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Speaker 7: on the by you gotta when I say it changed.

448
00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,280
Speaker 7: You brought in a new head coach, that you see

449
00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,240
Speaker 7: the energy when people were like, oh, I'm starting to

450
00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,160
Speaker 7: see it. You even said it, I'm starting to think

451
00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,800
Speaker 7: this might be a Cowboys that's changed.

452
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:01,560
Speaker 6: It wasn't.

453
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,240
Speaker 7: You didn't just all of a sudden say hey, I

454
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 7: got on the Hope Eum train. It took three four

455
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 7: weeks for you to finally say, hey, Barry three, I

456
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:09,120
Speaker 7: might be over here.

457
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:09,680
Speaker 6: Three wins.

458
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Speaker 7: And that was just because and that was just because

459
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,919
Speaker 7: of Shoddy and what he did. Come in here and

460
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,040
Speaker 7: the pieces with George Pickings. Now, once you get now,

461
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 7: once you make the trade and you get Quentin Williams

462
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 7: in here, Clinty Kenny Clark in here, that's when the

463
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:24,879
Speaker 7: defense was like, oh snap, we're starting to see this.

464
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,439
Speaker 7: They're beating the former super Bowl champion two teams to

465
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Speaker 7: where you see that going there, and that's going up.

466
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Speaker 6: It's not gonna just turn overnight to say.

467
00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 7: Hey, we instantly, because Jerry has said it, we're not

468
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 7: one player away, We're not this away, but we are

469
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Speaker 7: multiple pieces away.

470
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Speaker 6: They haven't gradually got better, so they beat the.

471
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Speaker 8: Former Super Bowl teams that aren't the same teams at all.

472
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Speaker 8: All right, Kansas City is on the outside looking at

473
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,479
Speaker 8: Philly is self destructing from the inside, all right. So

474
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Speaker 8: those teams that the Cowboys be, if they were the

475
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Speaker 8: same teams they played from last year, dealt wouldn't have

476
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Speaker 8: been W's.

477
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Speaker 2: They wouldn't have been And.

478
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Speaker 8: So what we saw with Shoddy was we saw an

479
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 8: offense that was able to put up numbers that it

480
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 8: wasn't putting up before. But on the defensive side of

481
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,400
Speaker 8: the ball, we didn't see. We didn't see a lot

482
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Speaker 8: of change besides up front, five man front Quinn Williams,

483
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 8: Kenny Clark getting here. But the secondary we're still in shambles,

484
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Speaker 8: and it's still is showing that it's in shambles.

485
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Speaker 2: So based off of that, like, nah, bro, that's building.

486
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Speaker 7: And that's building. It's not who won. Let's call a

487
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 7: spade a spade. The secondary is in shambles because they

488
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 7: have no leader back there. The dbs that they have got,

489
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Speaker 7: You got guys out there that's complaining getting concussions at home.

490
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 7: You got God saying hey, we don't believe in the

491
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,919
Speaker 7: scheme instead of just playing football. But that same scheme

492
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Speaker 7: when Quentin Williams and Clinting Clark coming here and they say, hey,

493
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Speaker 7: we're just gonna play ball. We seen them go make

494
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Speaker 7: those players and cat.

495
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Speaker 2: Proving my point.

496
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Speaker 8: I'm up with the whole thing with the culture you

497
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Speaker 8: keep you every time you say it.

498
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Speaker 2: First you said it's changing. Then you said, well, it

499
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Speaker 2: ain't changing.

500
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Speaker 7: No, I didn't say. I said it's building there, I

501
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Speaker 7: said it's breaking ground. I said it's changing. It's not

502
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 7: changing like you think it is, but it's changing.

503
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Speaker 8: In order for them to get those ws and win

504
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Speaker 8: those games that they need to win. It doesn't need

505
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,199
Speaker 8: to just be a break ground situation. It needs to

506
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,919
Speaker 8: be a change situation. And so what we thought was

507
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 8: we actually thought I'm gonna go back to it again

508
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 8: with the moment, and we thought that it was actually.

509
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Speaker 2: The wheels were rolling all right.

510
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Speaker 8: And what we got was we got like some some

511
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Speaker 8: some good games and they beat some teams. But it's

512
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 8: not a true culture shift yet.

513
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Speaker 4: So you you lose the Arizona in an embarrassing fashion

514
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 4: home twenty seven to seventeen. You got the bye wee

515
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 4: can fortunately Marsha Neigland passed away. You win three straight

516
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 4: this Detroit game. I'm in the locker room and guys

517
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 4: like da, this is a playoff game because.

518
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Speaker 5: You got two teams right here. Here are the Lions

519
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 5: seven and five and here you are six, five and one.

520
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 4: You you both know you need it because the way

521
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 4: these tie breakers are going, and the Cowboys had already

522
00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,080
Speaker 4: lost NFC games that they like to the Panthers in

523
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 4: Chicago that you were gonna you're gonna need to win

524
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 4: this tie breaker right here, they got handled man forty

525
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 4: four points of.

526
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,199
Speaker 5: Troy score seventeen points in the fourth quarter on you.

527
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 4: So when I tell you and I'm like, man, this

528
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 4: is the same stuffing because this is what they've been

529
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 4: doing on now the shot and higher you've been doing

530
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 4: it under McCarthy.

531
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Speaker 5: When you need it to happen, it's all up against

532
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Speaker 5: the line.

533
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Speaker 4: People sitting around here talking to me by basket, we're

534
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 4: gonna do dot da. It was like when they had

535
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 4: to go face to forty nine ers and Tank Long

536
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 4: a couple of years ago. Hey man, we gonna get

537
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 4: our get back well and want to get back. They

538
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 4: got back and beat you down one more time. It

539
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 4: ain't changing, bro, It's the same thing, That's all I'm saying.

540
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Speaker 7: And I'm still gonna fight back on that because with

541
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Speaker 7: Detroit when they got Dan Campbell in there, people was like,

542
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 7: oh snap, it's a different it's a different style coach

543
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 7: that came in there to what they typically had in

544
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Speaker 7: the past. That first year he got there, it was like, Eh,

545
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 7: well they're still Detroit. You you got a little hopium

546
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 7: over there. But then all of a sudden, that next

547
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 7: year they had the building blocks to where they just

548
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 7: took off. Right now, you have the building blocks for you.

549
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 5: To compare the Lions first year under Dan Campbell when

550
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 5: they did not have talent and Brad Holmes went out

551
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 5: and started to acquire the talent.

552
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 6: They had some talent there.

553
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 5: This was is not.

554
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 4: Where this Cowboys team is. In my opinion, in terms

555
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 4: of talent, I think those are two different situations. I

556
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 4: think they Detroit was this was, Hey, we're clearing this

557
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 4: deck here, We're trying to make it work. The Cowboys

558
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 4: already have building blocks of Jerry like, this ain't no

559
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 4: rebuilding year. We're trying to build on what we got.

560
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 4: I think it's two totally different situations you're trying to

561
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 4: compare in the first year, in my opinion, between what

562
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 4: the head coaches were working.

563
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 7: With exactly one. Detroit had building blocks. But even if

564
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 7: with them to have less and for you to have more.

565
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 7: They didn't have, so who was there on that roster?

566
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Speaker 6: Let me let me look that up.

567
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 7: But the whole point of the argument to just stay

568
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Speaker 7: on topic regardless even if they didn't have the roster

569
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 7: that they have. If the Cowboys have more of a

570
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 7: better roster right now, Shoddy is coming in and doing

571
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,719
Speaker 7: the things that you are saying. You don't think they

572
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 7: can make a significant jump based off of the pieces

573
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Speaker 7: that they have if they keep their key free agency.

574
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Speaker 4: Shure, if we sit up here, watch them win three

575
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 4: straight and here it is what they've termed a playoff game,

576
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 4: and they go and give up forty four points on

577
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Speaker 4: a Thursday night, and you picked against the Cowboys the

578
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 4: only one to do it, and you are correct.

579
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Speaker 5: And if I sit up here in doorset and I'm like, dude, it's.

580
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 4: The same old thing. Ain't nothing really changed this. This

581
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 4: is what you have been as an organization now for

582
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 4: a number of years and a number of coaches. When

583
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 4: it comes down to getting it done, it gets a

584
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 4: good team on the road. You let down, you still

585
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 4: can't get it done. Forty four points.

586
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 7: And you still have the building blocks there. You have

587
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 7: a good offensive coach that has Dak Rowland, you bring

588
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 7: back George Picking. You got all three dtacles all you have.

589
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 8: To do, so you're on next season. And so we

590
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 8: talked about this that I'm not saying. I said it

591
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 8: as a groundbreaking. Now you're talking about the window for

592
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 8: this season. We're talking about the actuality, the faction not performing.

593
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 5: That's what now, y'all.

594
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 7: Y'all moved the conversation. I sat there and said the

595
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 7: whole point you said you're talking about now, and I said, hey,

596
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 7: I'm just gonna say that you can't be so harsh

597
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 7: on them and say that they don't they don't have

598
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 7: a building block or a foundation for next year. I

599
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 7: didn't say nothing about this year. We all know this.

600
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 7: That's why I made the ten best season. But as

601
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 7: far as next year, with the roster that they have,

602
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 7: they bring George Picking back, I would be one of

603
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 7: those guys that would say tweet at the beginning of

604
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Speaker 7: the season.

605
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 4: So we're he and I are lost because we lost

606
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 4: because we thought you were talking about right this season.

607
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 5: Right now you said shoddy Shoty's got this thing.

608
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 7: I was talking about next year because I've already told y'all.

609
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,959
Speaker 7: I don't think they're gonna win out like the glass

610
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 7: that came off.

611
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 4: So I'm just letting you know, he and I right

612
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 4: now confused because I'm talking about right now.

613
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, they still that's where you they still they still

614
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 7: they still got a foundation right now. They just don't

615
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 7: have a foundation to go to the playoffs. They have

616
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 7: a foundation. They have the guys here. If they go

617
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 7: out there and if the Cowboys play to the best

618
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 7: their abilities.

619
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,479
Speaker 6: They easily can win out. Easily can win out.

620
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 7: They showed the offense paralys they've sown the defensive capabilities.

621
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 4: We need you to come back into twenty twenty five

622
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 4: right now with us. That's what we cut a twenty

623
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 4: five six, okay, because and I'm here.

624
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 8: It's about what's happening as far as the Hopium, all right.

625
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 8: And when we talk about the Hopium, it's the hopium

626
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 8: that Jerry Jones still has. Like about, oh the Eagles lost,

627
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 8: they giving us a chance.

628
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 5: To show that.

629
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 4: We talked about the Billy last day though, you know, right,

630
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 4: that's what that's.

631
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Speaker 5: We in twenty twenty.

632
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 7: Five, and that's and all that is still doable. It's

633
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 7: not it ain't just out there, But it's my fault.

634
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 5: I didn't set it up properly.

635
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 7: Maybe maybe maybe because like I said, I'm still going

636
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 7: to say they have a foundation because with those four games,

637
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 7: who do they.

638
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 6: Have on the on there right now?

639
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 5: You got Minnesota this week that.

640
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 7: You that you that you bashed JJ McCarthy before. Let's

641
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 7: the school last week. That's right, everybody, Look you see

642
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 7: how hard the ad laugh like that?

643
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 2: Like okay, because you was on so tough.

644
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 6: You got the you got to fight, you.

645
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 4: You got riding, you got, you got him snug like

646
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 4: a magnomo. So you got that, you got, they got

647
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 4: the charges. They go to Washington on Christmas Day this

648
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 4: week season against So all.

649
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 5: Right, we're gonna take a break.

650
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 4: We're gonna try and get Trey in the twenty That's

651
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 4: what door set in I so we can make sure

652
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 4: you look, you know, we're not in the twenty six yet.

653
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 4: We got time. We got time to get a twenty s.

654
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 4: So we're gonna stay right here in twenty five, right,

655
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 4: go do that next. Jerry Jones had thoughts on George

656
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 4: Pickens on this radio show. Let's dive into what the

657
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 4: owner had to say.

658
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: Right back, I missed it.

659
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Speaker 13: Life is a workout, and Smoothie King is here to

660
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 13: help you power through, whether you're maxing out overhead presses,

661
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Speaker 5: Okay, you said name it. We were talking about culture shifts.

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Speaker 4: Okay, culture ships trace trace culture shift definition is a

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Speaker 4: little bit different than than where door set.

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Speaker 5: And I think I mentioned New England during the break.

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Speaker 4: Okay, here they are New England first place team right now,

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Speaker 4: eleven and two under Mike Rabel.

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Speaker 5: You said name someone else.

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Speaker 4: Okay, how about the Chicago Bears nine and four they

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Speaker 4: run off Matt Eberflus. Here they are nine and fourteen

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Speaker 4: beat the Cowboys oblivious up there this year.

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Speaker 5: That's your second one. How about that?

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Speaker 7: So with the cow with the Bears, they didn't start

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Speaker 7: building their culture the year before, even though Ebra Flues

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Speaker 7: was there. They didn't start getting those key components or

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Speaker 7: pieces there.

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Speaker 4: Bro Let me tell you what they did, Like you

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Speaker 4: did you forget that Thanksgiving Day game when I.

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Speaker 6: Don't forget that, But I mean.

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Speaker 5: If we were terrible, they were remember to Washington. Game

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Speaker 5: got to do running around, letting the stands.

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Speaker 6: They got the personnel level.

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Speaker 5: It's an old shift.

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Speaker 7: But no, that's that's building. That's proving my point of

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Speaker 7: starting the foundation of a culture.

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Speaker 6: Change.

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Speaker 7: That culture started to shift when you brought the personnel

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Speaker 7: in there. And what was the last thing that made

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Speaker 7: it go over the edge? Ahead, coach, right now you

729
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 7: started the shift. You had your head coach coming in

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Speaker 7: here bringing the energy. Now you're starting to get him

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Speaker 7: the players. Hey, the stuff is building.

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Speaker 5: But they had Kayler Williams last year.

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Speaker 8: I don't I don't know Chicago's conference that well, and

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Speaker 8: I don't think that they had an opportunity to have

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Speaker 8: a window open like the Cowboys still do in their

736
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Speaker 8: conference last year. And I don't think that they had

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Speaker 8: a chance to actually take take it into their own hands.

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Speaker 8: I believe that their record was did they win four

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Speaker 8: games last year?

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Speaker 5: Of that it was bad year.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So we're.

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Speaker 8: Talking about a team that has an opportunity to take

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Speaker 8: it by the horns themselves and create their own destiny

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Speaker 8: if they played properly in the games that they have

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Speaker 8: a chance to.

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Speaker 2: Chicago didn't have this chance last year. There wasn't a.

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Speaker 8: Specale of hope for them to get into the playoffs

748
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Speaker 8: after they're six and six or whatever.

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Speaker 2: The Cowboys they fired.

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Speaker 5: The coach.

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Speaker 4: In November, they fired him, They took it out the building,

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Speaker 4: they decided, man, we're pulling the plug on this thing.

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Speaker 5: He's got to go.

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Speaker 4: And they bring in Ben Johnson from Detroit and it's

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Speaker 4: a whole different outfit. Man, the defense of all these

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Speaker 4: Bear fans were complaining about, they're playing at a whole

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Speaker 4: different level. Caleb Williams, who was struggling, is out here

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Speaker 4: having a very good season. So there was a shift,

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Speaker 4: and it was clear that it happened the same thing

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Speaker 4: of New England struggling under Mayo. Man, they get Rabel

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Speaker 4: out here, they're challenging for the number one seed.

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Speaker 6: Situation.

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Speaker 4: Seeing that shift happened with Brian Schottenheimer the Cowboys. Are

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Speaker 4: you telling me that, because that, to me, that's the

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Speaker 4: culture shift. That's a coach in my mind, you're telling

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Speaker 4: me we're seeing that from the shoting in the Cowboys runner.

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Speaker 7: When I said one, I didn't say the culture has

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Speaker 7: shifted completely. I said the foundation is there. You cannot

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Speaker 7: say that this is nothing there there's no foundation. If

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Speaker 7: there's no foundation, that means you have no roster. That

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Speaker 7: means you have no player. That means that you have

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Speaker 7: a bad environment and just a bad team overall.

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Speaker 6: You have a Cleveland Brown situation. Going on.

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Speaker 5: You do not have it found.

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Speaker 6: You do a foundation.

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Speaker 7: You have a quarterback one that can anything's possible with

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Speaker 7: Dak Another foundation, you have a good head coach, Shotty

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Speaker 7: who's proven that Hey running the offensive scheme. You have

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Speaker 7: the number one offense for a long period of time.

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Speaker 7: That's a foundation piece. Guess what you got three three

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Speaker 7: techniques in there right now that you have locked up

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Speaker 7: as far as Osa Clinny Clark and Quinn Williams. That

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Speaker 7: a franchise player. That is foundation. You have your defensive

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Speaker 7: coordinator that is here that has proven to you that

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Speaker 7: when he has gotten certain pieces there, he can run

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Speaker 7: things schematically that he wants. He doesn't have the corners

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Speaker 7: that he want here, he doesn't have the players all

788
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Speaker 7: that bought here that is there, but he does have

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Speaker 7: certain pieces that can build there.

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Speaker 4: In some of these pieces who were here one twelve

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Speaker 4: games years you know, two years ago into Mike McCarthy,

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Speaker 4: they're a playoff.

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Speaker 7: Team, different different different shot here with that and Shoy

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Speaker 7: didn't shot. He wasn't at the helms of that shot.

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Speaker 7: He wouldn't was shoddy. Did he have as much power

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Speaker 7: as far as the play calling abilities and doing all

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Speaker 7: that stuff he did taking the person.

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Speaker 4: But you can't sit around here say the offense was

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Speaker 4: bad under Mike McCarthy. I mean, Dak Prescott finished second

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Speaker 4: the MVP just a couple years ago. So we're seeing

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Speaker 4: that they've had talent and they've had good years Offensively,

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Speaker 4: his Brian Shott and Hard made it a better offensive

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Speaker 4: scheme by running the ball.

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Speaker 7: I would agree with him there, and that's building. But

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Speaker 7: that's building, That's all I said. I didn't say everything

806
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Speaker 7: was changing, because when that culture shift changed, you are right,

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Speaker 7: like you said off air, that's when you go to

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Speaker 7: the championships.

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Speaker 6: That's when you.

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Speaker 7: Actually start seeing you in the playoffs and you could say, hey,

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Speaker 7: the culture has shifted, but there is something that you

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Speaker 7: know being on that sideline, when you sit there and say, hey,

813
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Speaker 7: we're not the same.

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Speaker 6: The culture shifted.

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Speaker 7: When Dak Prescott had in the press conference, he said, hey, man,

816
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Speaker 7: we haven't been getting what we've been getting. When I

817
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Speaker 7: looked over there and seen Quentin Williams telling them we

818
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Speaker 7: can go win this game and we can fight, that

819
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Speaker 7: sparked a fire and me. That made me go talk

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Speaker 7: to the office and we had a come back. That

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Speaker 7: is somebody initiating the culture shift, so it's starting to change.

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Speaker 6: Your foundation.

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Speaker 8: Has always been the guy to say the right thing.

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Speaker 8: Give him that you know, the wrong.

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Speaker 7: It's not that he said the wrong things, but Dak

826
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Speaker 7: has been a guy that will let you know, like, hey,

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Speaker 7: I'm gonna say the right things, but then he'll be

828
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Speaker 7: like that, ain't it? Or eventually we got to start

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Speaker 7: calling the spade a spade?

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Speaker 6: Is he not?

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Speaker 5: I just want to know when I said something that

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Speaker 5: was wrong.

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Speaker 6: I'm saying not say something.

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Speaker 5: I don't have any issues with Dak Prescott's leadership.

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Speaker 7: I don't have any issues with his leadership. But I

836
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Speaker 7: think he's done a good job of calling players out

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Speaker 7: or saying certain things that you can't have or not

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Speaker 7: going to tolerate.

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Speaker 4: I think Dak has gone the Troygman route of making

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Speaker 4: sure he doesn't put anyone on blast and he's not

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Speaker 4: giving anyone bulletin board material and even in the face

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Speaker 4: of like the defense playing not playing up to par him,

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Speaker 4: come out and say I believe in these guys and

844
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Speaker 4: I gotta do more. I mean, I think to me,

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Speaker 4: Dak is on a whole different level of not even

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Speaker 4: having this guy does it all right.

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Speaker 7: And that's and that's all I'm saying. When you say foundation, foundation.

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Speaker 4: When you said that, you just said not. I'm just

849
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Speaker 4: trying to tell you what did he said it wasn't right.

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Speaker 7: So I said that the wasn't that. He said that

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Speaker 7: there's no foundation and it's not here. He said, there's nothing.

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Speaker 7: He said, these are the same cowboys. But I brought

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Speaker 7: up Dak and I told him and I said that,

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Speaker 7: did you not say you said the whole the whole point.

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Speaker 7: I said that they have a foundation to combat what

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Speaker 7: you say. You said, the culture has not shifted here.

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Speaker 7: I have not seen no change, have you not?

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Speaker 4: But I'm staying on Dak Prescott, where you made a

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Speaker 4: comment that made it sound as though Dak Prescott at

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Speaker 4: times or at one point in time was not on

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Speaker 4: board and did or said something that wasn't wasn't in

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Speaker 4: the leadership capacity.

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Speaker 6: I didn't say that. No, you're moving the needle.

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Speaker 5: Now, Okay, then what did you say about that?

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Speaker 7: The initial It doesn't even matter what I said about that,

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Speaker 7: because you're picking out little bitty stuff but the whole thing. Okay,

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Speaker 7: you're right, So let's let's let's let's crat that because

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Speaker 7: I'm gonna keep talking to you about what we were

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Speaker 7: talking about the statement and not being a troll. You

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Speaker 7: said that there was no culture here, like the culture

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Speaker 7: is not. They haven't that's why they can't win these games.

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Speaker 7: And I said, I beg to differ. I see the

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Speaker 7: culture starting to shift. And you said shift. What do

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Speaker 7: you mean by shift? I said, they have a foundation

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Speaker 7: and you said what foundation do they have? I said,

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Speaker 7: they've shown you things that are different, as far as

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Speaker 7: the coach, as far as the quarterback and the players

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Speaker 7: that they brought in. I don't think they're gonna win

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Speaker 7: this year. Next year, I think they actually do have

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Speaker 7: a possibility, just like he said in the group text,

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Speaker 7: Oh they gonna be something next year once they get

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Speaker 7: some dbs. It's a foundation here.

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, you know what, man, we just go end

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Speaker 4: it on the foundation again. Twenty twenty six, many sid

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Speaker 4: what's the super Bowl at.

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Speaker 5: Next is La? Not this year's San fran next year

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty se.

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Speaker 6: Y'all know they're not going this year.

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Speaker 5: I know, I know.

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Speaker 4: So so all right, man, we got Trey on here,

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Speaker 4: young Tray Moore. Appreciate you. Anthony Yorke said, thank you.

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