1 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Savor Prediction. I Heart Radio. I'm 2 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: Annie Reese and I'm Lauren vogel Bom, and today we're 3 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: talking about the Moscow Mule. Yes, as always with these 4 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: Cocktail Hour episodes, drink responsibly, Yes, of course, and and 5 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: even outside of these episodes responsibly. I'm glad you're always 6 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: here to keep me honestly anytime. And it's been a 7 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: it's been a minute since we've done a cocktail Hour episode. 8 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: I think it has been Um. I was was inspired 9 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 1: to do this one because, um, I I went out 10 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: and had drinks with friends on a patio, what I know, 11 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: and it was so lovely, and one of them ordered 12 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: a Moscow mule, and I was like, it has been 13 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: a long time since we've done a cocktail Hour. Did 14 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: it come in the mug? It did not come in 15 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: the mug. Came in a regular old glass. Toss hands 16 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: up in the air. It's interesting because you suggested this 17 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: one after this lovely experience on a patio, and I 18 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: had just received a bunch of like old advertisements as 19 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: sometimes happens with our child. Oh right, right, yeah, yeah, 20 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: about moscow mules, like from the sixties. Oh yeah, But 21 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: By the way, if y'all hear any any purring or 22 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: jingle jangling in the background, Um, that is our third 23 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: co host for the day, Miss Trudy Peru. She is 24 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: a cat. She is orange cat. Um in the household 25 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: of my two cats, Gray cat and orange cat. And uh, 26 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: and she's she's just chilling and you know, I don't 27 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: feel like stopping her. So that's just what's happening today. 28 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: That's what's happening today. See. I don't know why, but 29 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: I keep thinking of the trouble with Trudy. I feel 30 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: like I don't know why the Star Trek thing is 31 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: in my head because I made another Star Trek reference 32 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: right before this. But that's all, it's all happening in 33 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: my brain. No, no, no, no, that that's I mean. 34 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: And Trudy is frequently a troublemaker, so I think this 35 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: is appropriate. I saw I got a good glimpse of 36 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: half of her face in front of the computer camera earlier, 37 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: and then I heard her laying on top of the recorder. Yeah, waite, 38 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: Lawrence pleased to go away? Where with more expletives involved, 39 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: they're they're usually more expletives involved when it comes to 40 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: these cats. Um, who I love dearly. Um, but Moscow mules. Yes, 41 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: but Moscow mules. I went through a really brief but 42 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: intense Moscow mule phase. I can't honestly say why. I 43 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: think I had one really good one at restaurant and 44 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: this was a thing and I haven't been drinking it. 45 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: And then after that they were all kind of I 46 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: mean not sub far maybe, but so far compared to 47 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: that one. Yeah. Um, so it was like a bright 48 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: star that burned out very quickly. Yeah, they can, they 49 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: can be a little bit cloying, um, if they're if 50 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: they're made with a with a less biting ginger beer. 51 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: But but we're getting a little bit ahead of ourselves. Um. 52 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: There are a bunch of related episodes though, um, and 53 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be talking about them, uh pretty much incessantly 54 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: throughout the course of this of this episode, but um, 55 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: but yeah, you can see our lime episode from April 56 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: of our Ginger episode from November. Furthermore are Collins episode 57 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: from April and a hard look at soft drinks from 58 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: November of I had to think about how far away 59 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: that was when we were just a tiny little podcasting babies. 60 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: Oh so far we've come, and yet the puns are 61 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: still there. Nope, nope, not tired ourselves out yet, not yet, 62 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: an I doubt ever. All right, let's get to our question. Yes, 63 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: the Moscow Mule. What is it? Well, the Moscow Mule 64 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: is a straightforward cocktail made of vodka, ginger beer, and 65 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: lime juice, served on ice and typically with a lime 66 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: garnish in a copper mug. Uh. Okay, so let's let's 67 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: let's break that down a little bit. Yeah. Um, so, 68 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: vodka is a clear, mostly neutral tasting liquor with a 69 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: watery consistency. Um, it's got to burn on the palette 70 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 1: due to the alcohol content and maybe a little bit 71 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: of sweetness. Um, maybe some tiny bits of flavor in there, 72 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: but it's it's pretty nondescript overall. Um. And I looked 73 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: this up while while reading for this episode. M Alcohol 74 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: burns because it apparently lowers like the trigger point of 75 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: heat receptors in your mouth from somewhere around a hundred 76 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: and seven fahrenheit that's forty two celsius all the way 77 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: down to like ninety three fahrenheit or thirty four celsius, which, 78 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: if you're keeping track, is below your body temperature. So 79 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 1: for a few seconds while the alcohol is messing with 80 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: those heat receptors, your mouth is reporting that it's actually 81 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: on fire. Oh interesting, yeah, right, heck, it's the same 82 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 1: heat receptors that we talk about when we talk about capsasin. 83 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 1: So and meanwhile, uh, it feels warm alcohol in your 84 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: throat and stomach because it's dilating the blood vessels there. 85 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: Ah see, I'm glad you put this in here because 86 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: I didn't know that first of all. But secondly, way 87 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: back when we first started and Lauren you, I think 88 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: he probably lucked out that I never bought this cocktail 89 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: to D and D, but I had a flaming cocktail. 90 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: Oh and I had to learn like different points, different 91 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: alcohols that you could use to make this flaming cocktail safely. 92 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: And I just got kind of curious about it. Went 93 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: on a very many rabbit hole and then I was like, oh, 94 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: maybe one day we'll do an episode of this. Oh yeah, no, 95 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: definitely flaming flaming cocktails would be an interesting one. Um. Also, yes, 96 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: I I just any any you're very dear to me 97 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: and I the amount of accident prone that you are 98 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 1: makes me feel like probably flaming cocktails is not a 99 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: category that you should really pursue often or deeply. I 100 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 1: don't know what you mean. No, I think I had 101 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: a brief period. It worked out well for a minute, 102 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: and then I learned that even glasses that say they 103 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: are heat resistance and won't explode very well might goodness? Okay, well, 104 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: uh with my point. Thus, if not proven, at least 105 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: proven adjacent um, let's continue with our outline. UH. Ginger 106 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: beer is is a generally non alcoholic carbonated beverage made 107 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: with water, ginger root, and a sweetener of some kind. 108 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: It was traditionally brewed using friendly yeasts to create the carbonation, 109 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: but these days may be manufactured. UM ginger has has 110 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: that pungent, spicy sweet smell and taste. It also feels 111 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: warm on the palate um and it tastes kind of yeah, 112 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,679 Speaker 1: citrusy and like peppery, maybe a little bit resinous or piney. 113 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: And carbonation in a beverage also brings in a type 114 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: of artificial heat. Carbon dioxide bubbles trigger um specialized nerve 115 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: cells in the nasal cavity, which are the same ones 116 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: that register the burn of like horse, radish and mustard. 117 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: It also tastes uh carbonated beverages taste a little bit 118 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: acidic or sour to us. Um. Lime is of course 119 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: a tart and slightly sweet and slightly bitter citrus fruit. Um. 120 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: The acid really pops on your tongue. So if you 121 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: mix vodka and ginger beer and lime together in a 122 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: copper mug or a plain old glass and then add 123 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: some cube and or a crushed ice, the result is 124 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: this cooling and warming, refreshing fizzy drink that really just 125 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: kicks your palate with heat and tartness um tempered by 126 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: sweetness and a hint of bitter. It's a really fun, 127 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: really simple drink and can be just like dangerously quaffable. Yeah, 128 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: I hadn't really thought about that. How much of those 129 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: kind of heat elements are in that one? Yeah, really 130 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 1: exciting for your your tongue in your mouth is yeah. Uh. 131 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: Subrecipes do add some simple syrup which is just fifty 132 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: fifty sugar and water melted together into a syrup. But 133 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: you know, your mileage may vary. And this isn't a 134 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: category of cocktails that was traditionally called a buck, which 135 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,599 Speaker 1: is just the term for for any cocktail made primarily 136 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: of ginger ale or ginger beer mixed with a liquor 137 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: and a citrus juice. However, the popularity of the Moscow 138 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: mule in particular has made the term mule more common 139 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: these days than buck, and you can find all kinds 140 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: of variants on the mule called different cute things, like, um, 141 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: the Bohemian mule, which swaps out vodka for absinthe, or 142 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: the Gingin mule, which is ginger engin. Yeah, ginger, so cute. Um. 143 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: But what about the copper mug? What about it? Okay, 144 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: to be honest, I think the primary reason that this 145 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: cocktail is served in these shiny, burnished copper mugs is 146 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: that it's good marketing and they're pretty, you know, like 147 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: if you're in a bar and a server carries one by, 148 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: it's attention catching and like you want one, Like, what's 149 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: that cute thing? I want that cute thing? Bring me 150 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: one of those. Um. That being said, copper is is 151 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: neat in that it's a lot more heat conducive um 152 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: or conductive rather than than than glass. So it feels 153 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: really cold to the touch, Like when you touch it 154 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: pulls some of the heat from your fingertips um in 155 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: a way that glass does not. There is a lot 156 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 1: of marketing info out there about copper like enhancing flavors 157 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: or enhancing carbonation or reflecting light and thus staying cooler longer. 158 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: But I couldn't really find any solid science to back 159 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: all of that up, right, Yeah, I've definitely heard those 160 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: things before the light get in and therefore, yeah, I 161 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,599 Speaker 1: think that in in for for like all practical results 162 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: at normal temperature, under normal drinking conditions, it's not making 163 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: that drastic of a difference. But but I don't know. 164 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: I'm not chemist or a physicist. I'm certainly not both. Well, 165 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: we'll never We'll never get to the bottom of this 166 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: copper mug mug al mule conundrum. Not at this rate. Well, 167 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: what about the nutrition. Drink responsibly, It depends. It depends 168 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 1: on the type of ginger beer or ginger ale or 169 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: if you add simple syrup like it can be relatively 170 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: light um in in in calories. But yeah, just just 171 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: about yourself. Drink drink of water to always hydrate, always hydrate. 172 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: We do have some numbers for you, we do. The 173 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: Moscow Mule has had its ups and downs, but it 174 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: is currently one of the most well known cocktails in 175 00:11:55,840 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 1: the world. From Mini placement of the Mosque a Mule 176 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: in the US rose about the drink made up seven 177 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: of all bar orders. Obviously that's not It would be 178 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: hard to get a read on all bars and all orders. 179 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 1: But this is what these surveys said. Yeah, yes, I 180 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:24,119 Speaker 1: will say that. The New Orleans Festival and Trade Conference 181 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: Tales of the Cocktail named the Year of the Mule, 182 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: Year of the Mule. Yeah, I read Summer seen was 183 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,719 Speaker 1: a really big year for it too. It was one 184 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: of the cocktails people were getting. Apparently, in a recent 185 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: episode of the Hulu show The Great, which is about 186 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 1: Katherine the Great of Russia, her lover Leo created the 187 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: drink in this show, and as Catherine was trying it, 188 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 1: she realized she was late to the cool meeting, so 189 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: she hopped on a mule to get there quickly. And 190 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: that's short of the name comes from fun. But yeah, 191 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: I'm not sure at all. Yeah, Well, it's not a 192 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 1: it's not a historically accurate show. That's not that's not 193 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: what they're going. It's a comedy. Yeah, yes, absolutely. A 194 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: lawyer apparently ordered Moscow mule at during lunch in the 195 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: TV show Better Call Song Cool Cool. Well, I haven't 196 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: seen that episode, but I feel like that that's trying 197 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: to communicate a lot but future a different type of 198 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:37,079 Speaker 1: research later dates. UM, we do have some history for you. 199 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: We do, but first we've got a quick break for 200 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: a word from our sponsor and we're back. Thank you sponsor, Yes, 201 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: thank you. Uh So the way that all of these 202 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: ingredients for the Moscow Mule got to Los Angeles, which 203 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: is probably where the Moscow Mule was basically invented. Um. 204 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 1: All of these can be and in some cases already 205 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: are different episodes. Um. Uh. For example, as we discussed 206 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: in our coluns and gin and Tonic episodes, and probably 207 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: other cocktail hours that I'm forgetting about. UM. Lime was 208 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: a common ingredient in early cocktails, basically thanks to scurvy 209 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: because during the air of colonization, sailors and other folks 210 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: warded off scurvy with citrus and it got mixed into 211 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: these curative drinks, along with liquors and other medicinal stuff like, 212 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: for example, quinine and ginger, which can be and has 213 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: certainly been used as a digestive aid. Ginger beer developed 214 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: in European cultures around the seventeen hundreds with the British 215 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: control of Caribbean, where a lot of ginger was grown. 216 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: Carbonated beverages were also generally thought to be healthful. Soda 217 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: fountains originally developed in the eighteen hundreds alongside pharmacies as 218 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: a method of dispensing medications and UH. This eventually by 219 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: the end of the eighteen hundreds led to the creation 220 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: of all kinds of cocktails, both alcoholic and non um 221 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: from soda jerks and bar tenders and other interested parties, 222 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: like the Collins, which is a sparkling lemonade spiked with liquor, 223 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: or the Horse's Neck, which was originally just a non 224 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: alcoholic ginger beer or ginger ale and a long strip 225 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: of lemon peel um. Today it does contain liquor as well. 226 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: If you ordered a Horse's Neck expecting a non alcoholic drink, 227 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: that's probably not what you would receive. Um, But from 228 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: that horse's neck variations arose, like the Scotch Lassie, which 229 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: is made from whiskey, lime juice and ginger beer. Yes, 230 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: which right is basically a Moscow mule minus the vodka. 231 00:15:54,080 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: Uh vodka different episode definitely um oh my heck yeah no. 232 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: Originated somewhere in Eastern Europe and says or thereabouts made 233 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: its way to the United States via France after World 234 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: War Two. Um oh an ice ice another episode tie in? Yeah, 235 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: because by the middle of the twentieth century, UM, the 236 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: technology necessary to freeze water cheaply and easily had become 237 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: pretty widely available in the United States. Um. You can 238 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: see our ice episode for lots more on that. But 239 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: so we have all these ingredients and historical predecessors. But 240 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: how did the Moscow Mule itself come together? There's a 241 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: kick in the aspun here that I'm sure has been made. 242 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: Always always got to have those pun wheels turning. Oh oh, 243 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: I would expect nothing less. Yes, um, so, yes, this 244 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: is another cocktail our, another episode full of computing origin 245 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: story for a drink that's probably been around basically for 246 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: longer than any of these claims. Yeah, yes, but okay, 247 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: claim one. The Moscow Mule was invented in or at 248 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: least by ninety one by John G. Martin of J. F. 249 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: HU Blind and Brothers, which was a company that imported 250 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: food and spirits and reportedly made a one pop star 251 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: in the United States along with John Jack Morrigan. No, 252 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: not that one. UM owner of the l a British 253 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: pub Cock and Bull. Towards the end of the nineteen 254 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: thirties that Morrigan purchased the rights to Smirnov of vodka 255 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: for who Blind Um it had been on the verge 256 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: of bankruptcy. Smirnov had after the Russian Revolution and moving 257 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: to America. Um and and so it was moved to 258 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: America and Hu Blind purchased it for fourteen thousand dollars. However, 259 00:17:54,960 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: he had a problem. Americans are pretty wary of drinking vodka. Um, 260 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,719 Speaker 1: it wasn't really something people drank in the US at 261 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: the time. Simultaneously, he had ordered way too much of 262 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: ginger beer and he was looking to use it up. 263 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: Or possibly this was Morgan's own brand of ginger beer. 264 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: There's a lot of confusion even within each confusing Yes, yes, 265 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: sound was like, wait a minute to try to follow 266 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: up all these loose ends and never was elucidated to me. Yeah, 267 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: the stories are slippery, They are quite slippery. And further, allegedly, 268 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 1: Morgan's then girlfriend, Astoline Schmidt owned a company that made 269 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 1: copper mugs, which is where the copper mugs came in. 270 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: Or maybe not um or maybe it wasn't his girlfriend, 271 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: even if that is true at all. All right, so 272 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: this seems so largely come from the Moscow Copper website, 273 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: which is a business. So grain of Salt, But the 274 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: story goes Lustie. A woman named Sophie bear Zinski traveled 275 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: to the US with two thousand copper mugs. Her father 276 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 1: owned the Moscow Copper Company, and she had created the 277 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: design for this mug that we all associate with the 278 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 1: Moscow Mule. Again according to the company website, However, they 279 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: were having trouble selling these mugs and Russia. Sophie made 280 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: the journey to the US with the mugs in an 281 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: attempt to sell them. In the site's version of the story, 282 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 1: Sophie's husband threatened to throw them out if she didn't 283 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: get them out of the house, like they were just 284 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: cluttering up the house, these two thousand mugs. And he 285 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: was like, I don't care what you do, just just 286 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: get him out exactly. And she didn't want to see 287 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: her products at a way, so she went from door 288 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: to door in Hollywood trying to find a buyer for them. 289 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: Eventually she ended up at the Cock and Bull Bar 290 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 1: on Sunset Boulevard. In this version of the tale, Martin 291 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: was still struggling to sell Smyrnoff. Morgan was still struggling 292 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: to sell his ginger beer. Sophie was struggling to sell 293 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: her bugs. And the story gets even murkier here. It 294 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: sort of hops to them all working together to craft 295 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: a drink that would solve all their problems. It sort 296 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: of felt like she stumbled in and the two dudes 297 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,479 Speaker 1: had been like commiserating over a drink perhaps of what 298 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: can we do to solve our problems? And then I 299 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: don't know, that was just a vibe by guy. So 300 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 1: they ideated and experimented, eventually arriving at the Moscow Mule, 301 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: a mixture of Spear and Off vodka Morgan's ginger beer 302 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: contained in Sophie's copper mugs with a squeeze of lemon 303 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:39,199 Speaker 1: and ice. The name came soon after, either because of 304 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: Sophie or because the vodka was from Russia, while the 305 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: ginger beer gave it a kick like a mule. Again, 306 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 1: this is all this kind of pearsay, yeah, yeah, exactly. 307 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 1: Morgan allegedly called the whole process, however, happened as quote 308 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: shoving toward inventive genius alternate version. The cup was a 309 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: marketing attempt by Martin to show off the smearing off. 310 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: He would take them to bars to try to sell 311 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: the vodka and take two pictures of bartenders holding both items, 312 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: leaving one of the pictures with them to display. And 313 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: this marketing poy, if it's true, seems to have worked 314 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: also cementing the copper mug as the popper cup for 315 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: the drink. The Cock and Bull served beer and copper 316 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 1: mugs as well. So makes sense, okay, yeah? And uh 317 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: and this this was all when polaroid cameras, which was 318 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: the type of camera that he was supposedly using. Um, 319 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: we're pretty new. I think that they were forty seven 320 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: or forty nine thereabouts. Um, and so so it was 321 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: like the whole the whole process was flashy and I 322 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: didn't intend either of those puns. But here we are, Um, 323 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: I'm happy to be here, herryh yeah yeah yeah. So 324 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 1: he would he would take two snaps. He would he 325 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: would leave one polaroid with the bar that that he 326 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: took him at for display, and then take the other 327 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: one to another bar somewhere else and be like isn't 328 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: this heck and great? Don't you want to be like this? 329 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: Bartender and they would be like oh yeah, um so 330 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: so yeah, okay, so that is that is the first story. Yes, 331 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: let us move on to claim too. It was not 332 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: invented by Jack Morgan, but instead of bartender at Cock 333 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: and Bowl named West Price. Also in Price's words, quote, 334 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: I just wanted to clean out the basement, he later claimed, 335 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: quote it caught on like wildfire. After he served it 336 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: to actor Broderick Crawford. He resigned from the bar in 337 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: N three, saying he was never appreciated or compensated for 338 00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: his invention. Yes, that brings us to claim three. Yes, 339 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 1: a article in the New York Harold Tribune positive that 340 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: this drink was invented in Manhattan by the president of 341 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,959 Speaker 1: Hoo Blinds Vodka division and president of the Pierre Smirnov Company, 342 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: Rudolph Kunitt. In this version, Kune, Morgan and Martin basically 343 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 1: did the same thing where they got tipsy um, tried 344 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: to solve each other's problems, and eventually arrived at the 345 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: Moscow mule. Here's a quote from that article. Martin and 346 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: Kunet had their minds on their vodka and wondered what 347 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: would happen if a two ounce shot joined with Morgan's 348 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 1: ginger beer and the squeeze of a line ice was ordered, 349 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,479 Speaker 1: lives procured, mugs ushered in, and the concoction put together. 350 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: Cups were raised. The men counted five and down. With 351 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: the first taste, it was good. It lifted the spirit 352 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: to adventure. Four or five later the mixture was christened 353 00:23:53,280 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: to the Moscow Mule. And for a number of obvious reasons. Okay, okay, 354 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: so you know, hard to say which is true, but 355 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: there are some common dreads there. Yeah. The first own 356 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,439 Speaker 1: recorded mentioned of the Moscow Mule appeared into in a 357 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: syndicated newspaper called Inside Hollywood. Quote, there is a new 358 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: drink that is a craze in the movie Colony. Now 359 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 1: it is called Moscow Mule recipe equal parts vodka, lime 360 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 1: juice and ginger beer with an exclamation point. So they 361 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: were excited about it. The records indicate it was being 362 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: served in the classic mug By at least nine. In 363 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: ninety eight, copper mugs were specifically mentioned, and Yeah, Woody 364 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,199 Speaker 1: Allen featured in several ads from Moscow Mules or Smearnoff 365 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: mules as they were often called in the beginning in 366 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties, among other people that I think they 367 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: I hesitate to say celebrity because I didn't recognize them, 368 00:24:58,320 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: but I think you know, people knew who they were 369 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,719 Speaker 1: at the time. Yes, I forgive you. I would forgive 370 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 1: any of us if we are not super up to 371 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 1: date on our nineteen sixties celebrities. Um. Also, I do 372 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,360 Speaker 1: want to put in here I didn't I didn't give 373 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: like an exact recipe back at the top. But I 374 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: do not think that you should use equal parts vodka, 375 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 1: lime juice, and ginger beer in this drink. That sounds 376 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 1: like quite a bit of lime juice. It does maybe 377 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: like like two parts of vodka to three parts ginger beer, 378 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:35,199 Speaker 1: and like a solid half to one part lime juice 379 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: is what you're probably going for, less less than one 380 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 1: I'm I'm guessing anyway. Who I just thinking about that 381 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: is that is like a that sounds like a smoothie 382 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 1: that I do not want. It would be very tangy, 383 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: that would be it would it would give you a 384 00:25:53,720 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 1: pucker um. But probably bartenders knew what was up and 385 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: we're using better proportions because the popularity of the Moscow 386 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 1: Mule was such that it like really bumped vodka sales 387 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: in the United States and probably is what primed the 388 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 1: market for the vodka martini craze that really took off 389 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:19,679 Speaker 1: in the nineteen seventies. Oh um, and yeah, the Moscow 390 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: Mule may have been partially inspired by a similar drink 391 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: called the Mamie Taylor, named after the renowned opera singer. 392 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 1: It was popular during nineteen forty and was essentially the same, 393 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: only the liquor involved with Scotch instead of vodka. For 394 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: a time it was about as well known as the singer. 395 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: And then it just really from what I was reading, 396 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 1: people like, no one makes the same more. Yeah, I 397 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: think the I think the popularity of the Moscow Mule 398 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 1: really tanked it. Um. But but yeah, so so the 399 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: Mamie Taylor, which by the way, is spelled differently than 400 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 1: the Broadway singer spelled her name. But they didn't have 401 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 1: Google back then, I guess, so so anyway, Um, yes, yes, 402 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: the Maimie Taylor was originally called the Scotch Lassie as 403 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 1: discussed above, and originated in the South back in the 404 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds. So there you go, there you go, there 405 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: you go. Um. During the height of McCarthy is um 406 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: and the cold War. There was a conspiracy theory that 407 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: Smirnov was involved in some anti American movement and some 408 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: bars boycotted Smearnoff and therefore the Moscow and spearnof mule 409 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: because of it. Mhm mm hmm. In two who blinds 410 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: sold itself and Smearnoff to the R. J. Reynolds Tobacco 411 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: Company for one point for billion dollars, which is a 412 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 1: lot bigger amount than the fourteen thousand. Yes, there are 413 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: a number of zeros that are different between those two numbers. 414 00:27:54,240 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: The popularity of mules around or so um was such 415 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: that the Iowa Alcoholic Beverages Division of their of their 416 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: Health Department released this this notice that pure copper mugs 417 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,679 Speaker 1: should not be used to serve acidic drinks, as copper 418 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: could leach into the drink and lead to copper poisoning. 419 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 1: But chemists came out with relieving notices that to to 420 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: leach like a dangerous amount of copper into a drink, 421 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: pure lime juice would have to be sitting in a 422 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: pure copper mug for a matter of hours. So so 423 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: you're probably fine. You're probably fine with your cocktail um. 424 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: Other sources, many of whom sell copper products simultaneously came 425 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: up with articles about how copper infusions are good for you. Um, 426 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: these are also basically false. Using using copper mugs probably 427 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: has neither any harm nor any benefit. What an emotional 428 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: roller coaster to us. Lord, Sorry, it's the but that's 429 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: that's how I felt going through the reading. I was like, oh, oh, okay, 430 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: nothing to panic about. Yeah, it's fine. It's like a 431 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:16,719 Speaker 1: flat roller coaster. Yeah, yeah, dad, They're always whatever drives 432 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: clicks man, And anyway, anyway, a lot of copper mugs 433 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: are lined with different less leachy metals anyway, so it's 434 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: it's you're gonna be okay. Mm hmm, mhmm. That does 435 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: sound like a Speaking of sixties movies, that sounds kind 436 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: of to me like a a war film where the 437 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: murder it turns out like he left lime Judice and 438 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: La copper mug fifteen days. It's a big choice at 439 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: the end. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess yeah, just I mean, 440 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: don't don't do that. Just don't don't do that. Probably, 441 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: no good, no good. It is pretty impressive that the 442 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: they had to release a public health statement about it 443 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: because this drink was so popular. Wow, they were like, 444 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: we see what you're doing and it's bad. A lot 445 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: of ups and downs in this one twist and turns. 446 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: This this has been a true roller coaster of an episode. 447 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: It really has. But Alas, it's time to get off 448 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: of this roller coaster for now, for now. But we 449 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: do have some listener mail for you. We do, but 450 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: first we have one more quick break for word from 451 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you sponsored, Yes, thank you, 452 00:30:50,600 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: And we're back with roller coaster. Yeah, obviously I think 453 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: we were on two different roller coasters. But I but 454 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: I think we were like waving at each other. From him, 455 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: that's like you're an old dueling dragons. Yeah, that's what 456 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: we were doing. Jeremiah wrote, I continue to really enjoy 457 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: listening to your show. I just had a couple of 458 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: thoughts about some recent episodes. First, Old Bay, it is 459 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: a next level popcorn seasoning. Oh yes, bones are damn delight. Third, 460 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: Laurence sexation over stupid marketing terms like bone broth or 461 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: something I resonate with deeply. I see. Last. My son 462 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: asked me the other day why there aren't more high 463 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: cus about donuts. My response was to start writing them. 464 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: M bring me my coffee. How about a donut too 465 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: while you were at it? Breakfast Deity one is never adequate. 466 00:31:54,600 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: I'll have three donuts, beautiful Brava. Yes, yes, snaps. Also yes, 467 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: your son is right. Why aren't there more? I'm glad 468 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: you are the hero we need right now? Yes, always 469 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: don't haiku uh uh, Jared wrote, I spent almost my 470 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: entire life up to age within the collective borders of 471 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: Idaho and Utah, considering the predominant religious culture in those 472 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: two states forbids alcohol consumption and looks side eyed at 473 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: caffeated beverages. Root Beer is a very popular choice of 474 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: pop outside of this region. Up until relatively recently, it 475 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: was a regular occurrence to go to a fast food 476 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: place and ask if they have root beer to hear 477 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: the most frustrating sentence a root beer connoisseur can hear, 478 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: we have Dr Pepper or something along those lines. Dr 479 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: Pepper is not root beer, It's carbonated prune juice. According 480 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: to my dad. Also, we learned how to brew root 481 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: beer much in the same way one might brew son t. 482 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: We used hires root beer concentrate a glass cider jug, 483 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: technically anything with a squirre on lid that wouldn't split 484 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: from the pressure works water and sugar. We mixed it 485 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: all up and set the jug outside to set in 486 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: the sun for a few hours. It was well known 487 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: in our extended family on my dad's side that his 488 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: mother made her root beer quite a bit stronger than 489 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: anyone else in the family. Once an older brother made 490 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: jokes along the lines of one was enough. Then you'd 491 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: run around for a bit, then get kind of sleepy. 492 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: You'd take a nap and wake up with a little headache, 493 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: But one more glass of Grandma's root beer, you'd feel 494 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: a little better. Having been given a beginner's home root 495 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: beer brewing kit, I was motivated to give it a 496 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: try someday. I fantasized about being able to develop my 497 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: own unique formula. Also, until you pointed it out in 498 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: the episode, I had never noticed the mint flavor in 499 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: root beer, But as soon as he said it, I 500 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: recalled my sense memory of all the root beer I've 501 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: drunk over the years and was able to retroactively notice 502 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: and appreciate the mintiness. I love this. I love hearing 503 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 1: from people making their own root beer. Yes, oh yes, oh, 504 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 1: and you know me too about the mint thing. Like 505 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 1: I had never really put it together. But then as 506 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 1: soon as I read it, I was like, oh, yeah, 507 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 1: that's absolutely a note in there. Weird, weird. I don't know, 508 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,240 Speaker 1: like I guess, I guess it. It It all just blended 509 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: together in my head. It was just like roots, it's 510 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 1: made of roof stuff. It's not a route. Yes. I 511 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 1: also made this unfortunate mistake that you pointed out where 512 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: I asked Lauren if Dr Pepper was root beer. So 513 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: I've come a long way. I've come a long way. 514 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: You have, you have, We're gonna and we're gonna get 515 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: you some. We're gonna get you some soon. Yes, Yes, 516 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: in the meantime, Thanks to both of those listeners for 517 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,879 Speaker 1: writing in. 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