Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Thursday, May fourteenth, and a
Speaker 1: prominent US senator's son says he is seeking help, seeking
Speaker 1: treatment for his drinking problem, and that problem causes him
Speaker 1: to say things like he hates Jews, in which they
Speaker 1: all would die. And with that, welcome to this episode
Speaker 1: of Amy and TJ Robes. What in the world is
Speaker 1: going on? It's always something At this time it's Rand
Speaker 1: Paul's son and a bizarre incident and a DC bar.
Speaker 2: It is bizarre and concerning, and once again, when someone
Speaker 2: behaves badly, they seek treatment.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's uh.
Speaker 2: I guess it's a step in the right direction.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is pretty quick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty quick. William Paul, son of Senator Ran Paul.
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of him before?
Speaker 2: Well? I hadn't until I did a Google search and
Speaker 2: then saw that he's had some other issues with drinking
Speaker 2: related incidents in the past, stemming from his college days
Speaker 2: on up. But this is especially egregious and atrocious. You know,
Speaker 2: they always say, is it drunk? Talk? Is sober thoughts?
Speaker 1: So they say no, you say all the time. You
Speaker 1: say that to people all the time. Listen to folks
Speaker 1: when they are abriated.
Speaker 2: I think if most people actually do a deep check
Speaker 2: and say, when you get a little loose in the
Speaker 2: lips and you say maybe things you wouldn't have said
Speaker 2: had you been sober, if you really think about it,
Speaker 2: they'd come from a deep place of truth from within you.
Speaker 2: So I don't know. This is deeply concerning when you
Speaker 2: hear I don't know. I think I saw he was
Speaker 2: in college in like twenty thirteen, So I'm guessing he
Speaker 2: is old enough to know better. I would get like
Speaker 2: late twenties, early thirties.
Speaker 1: I thought he was much younger.
Speaker 2: Oh, let me, let me look and see. But he
Speaker 2: was in college in twenty thirteen. Let me look and see.
Speaker 1: That was quite a while ago. This guy's thirty something.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get his exact age.
Speaker 1: Oh my good. Yes, William Paul is the name, And
Speaker 1: of course most people at this point a very familiar
Speaker 1: with Senator Rand Paul, the Republican from Kentucky, very prominent,
Speaker 1: very outspoken member of Congress. Now, the incident we're describing
Speaker 1: is one that I don't know if we'd heard of
Speaker 1: at this US congressman decided to tell about it, and
Speaker 1: was the age?
Speaker 2: Did you find thirty three?
Speaker 1: That's thing.
Speaker 2: I think he's reading thirty three years old old, significantly
Speaker 2: old enough to know better.
Speaker 1: Okay, so this comes to some representative, Mike Lawler. It's
Speaker 1: a Democrat from New York. He said this happened Robes
Speaker 1: on Tuesday night. He just happened to be out eating
Speaker 1: with friends, hanging out mining his own business at this bar,
Speaker 1: and William Paul approaches.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he says that he was verbally accosted by William Paul.
Speaker 2: He in fact, he was eating with friends and one
Speaker 2: of them was a journalist who actually wrote this down
Speaker 2: and said I was an eyewitness to every single thing
Speaker 2: that was said. So this isn't just coming from Congressman Lawler.
Speaker 2: This is also coming from a journalist to witness the
Speaker 2: entire thing.
Speaker 1: It's hard to deny you got that many witnesses.
Speaker 2: That's probably why we saw a very quick apology from
Speaker 2: William Paul on X explaining why perhaps he behaved the
Speaker 2: way he did. So there was no denial that is
Speaker 2: of noe. But here is how the incident was described
Speaker 2: to reporters by Congressman Lawler, who he literally was holding
Speaker 2: court on the steps of Capitol Hill with about ten
Speaker 2: mics in his face. As he was relaying what happened,
Speaker 2: but he said that William Paul basically just came up
Speaker 2: to him and said, if Thomas Massey loses, it's because
Speaker 2: of your people. And when he says Thomas Massey, he's
Speaker 2: referring to a Kentucky Republican who's up for a primary election.
Speaker 2: Quickly correc it's a matter of weeks. So he said,
Speaker 2: if Massey loses, it's because of your people. And he said,
Speaker 2: who are my people? And he reportedly said Jews. And
Speaker 2: that is when Congressman Lawler said, explained to him, yeah,
Speaker 2: so I am. He said he was Irish, Catholic, not Jewish,
Speaker 2: and he said that's when oddly, William Paul quickly said, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to accuse you of that. Wow, he apologized
Speaker 2: for accusing him of being Jewish. My bad. Okay, So
Speaker 2: you think if it ended there that still would have
Speaker 2: been bad, But no, it went on from there, he
Speaker 2: then said, and witnesses corroborated that William Paul went on
Speaker 2: a ten minute rant about Israel about Jewish people, accusing
Speaker 2: Jews of being responsible for pretty much everything that goes
Speaker 2: wrong in the world, and then added that he hates
Speaker 2: the Gaze too, and wants Jews and Gaze to all die.
Speaker 1: So he's seeking help with the drinking problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I mean that is one step, but maybe
Speaker 2: he also just might need to ask himself why he
Speaker 2: holds such hatred.
Speaker 1: In his sat is just for that to come out
Speaker 1: of somebody's mouth. It does not even the association necessarily
Speaker 1: with Rand Paul, which certainly elevates this, and I am
Speaker 1: curious where does that come from?
Speaker 2: It? Look, I don't know. I don't know where that
Speaker 2: comes from. And you can't hold a thirty three year
Speaker 2: old man, I guess I would say you can't hold
Speaker 2: his father necessarily responsible for what comes out of a
Speaker 2: thirty three year old man's mouth, who is a fully
Speaker 2: formed human. Who. Look, we all have plenty of people.
Speaker 2: You know, your children might not think the same way
Speaker 2: you do. They might not have the same political ideology
Speaker 2: as you do. So I want to make sure we
Speaker 2: separate that. But unfortunately for Senator Paul, he's had to
Speaker 2: do a lot of explaining when it comes to some
Speaker 2: of the things his son has done and said, and
Speaker 2: that is part of being a parent, I get. But
Speaker 2: this has risen to a significant level, and we haven't
Speaker 2: heard anything from Senator Paul's office as of yet.
Speaker 1: No, they asked him about it in the hallway to say, hey,
Speaker 1: I got nothing on you. I got nothing for you
Speaker 1: on that, and kept it pushing. But this is Yes,
Speaker 1: it's embarrassing tough publicly, but that's no parent is going
Speaker 1: to be proud of that and their kid having that moment.
Speaker 1: We've all say, we've all, but you of a certain age,
Speaker 1: we've all had a bad moment somewhere at a bar,
Speaker 1: did something, said something stupid, made a fool out of yourself.
Speaker 1: Nothing like that for the overwhelming majority of us. Have
Speaker 1: we ever had to come back the next day and
Speaker 1: apologize for saying I hate this entire group of people
Speaker 1: that doesn't, So I don't know where that comes from.
Speaker 2: And he wasn't even in the conversation.
Speaker 1: He just decided to interject because he thought he saw
Speaker 1: a Jewish congressman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Lawler was sitting there having his own conversation with
Speaker 2: his own group, and he decided he introduced himself first
Speaker 2: and said here's who I am, and then started weighing
Speaker 2: in on all of this horrific anti Semitic, homophobic, just
Speaker 2: this long, ten minute rant where they were just sitting
Speaker 2: there with their jaws dropped. They called it disgusting behavior.
Speaker 2: It was one of those moments where as you hear
Speaker 2: Lawler describe it, it's almost as if he couldn't believe
Speaker 2: what he was hearing. And then he said, to top
Speaker 2: it all off, when when Paul got up to leave,
Speaker 2: he flipped him off with the bird apparently, and then
Speaker 2: tripped over his barstool on the way out, which you know,
Speaker 2: if only there was video, you.
Speaker 1: Know, I'll just add, and you know what there might
Speaker 1: be in this ball. You know they're going back looking
Speaker 1: for it.
Speaker 2: Now if there was a ten minute rant, don't you
Speaker 2: think someone these days, you'd feel like, at least especially
Speaker 2: the reporter, I would have thought they would have taken
Speaker 2: out their cell phone and started recording, because if that
Speaker 2: were the case, this would be on a whole other
Speaker 2: level of this story. It would you know. It just
Speaker 2: goes to show if you've got it's one thing, you've
Speaker 2: got two accounts, and they seem very legit because they are,
Speaker 2: you know, in Unison they are saying the same thing.
Speaker 2: But my god, if there was video of this, I
Speaker 2: can't even imagine the uproar it will cause, but certainly
Speaker 2: validating for all the folks out there who say, Look,
Speaker 2: this sentiment is real, it's damaging, and people feel that
Speaker 2: confident to speak like that. Look, we did a story
Speaker 2: earlier this episode, earlier today about this disgusting human being
Speaker 2: in the state of Texas who feels perfectly okay, sorry
Speaker 2: what oh Tennessee, sorry the other t state in the
Speaker 2: state of Tennessee to feel like it's his constitutional right
Speaker 2: to drop the N word wherever he goes to instigate violence.
Speaker 2: It's just there's this sense of entitlement or the sense
Speaker 2: of ownership. I get to say whatever hateful things I
Speaker 2: want because I'm an American, and it's it's a it's
Speaker 2: a disgusting, hateful sense of entitlement that seems to be
Speaker 2: fairly pervasive. It maybe was before behind closed doors or
Speaker 2: whispered Now you've got people shouting it from the rooftops.
Speaker 1: Which do you prefer. Do you prefer they keep it
Speaker 1: to themselves in the shadows and you're not knowing they're
Speaker 1: walking among us, or for them to just raise their hands.
Speaker 2: On one hand, it's it's good to know who you're
Speaker 2: who you're dealing with. But on the other hand, It
Speaker 2: says a lot that those individuals feel safe and entitled
Speaker 2: and protected to say these types of vile things.
Speaker 1: Hey, we have to say, I hate they feel the
Speaker 1: things in the first place. Who even want this stuff?
Speaker 1: We'll stay with us. We did hear. We'll let you
Speaker 1: hear his words, William Paul's words, what he says happened,
Speaker 1: and what he says he's going to do next, and
Speaker 1: also a tweet from the congressman as well that's worth hearing.
Speaker 2: Stare Welcome back, everyone to this episode of Amy and TJ,
Speaker 2: where we are talking about the son of Senator Rand
Speaker 2: Paul going off on a Republican congressman who is hanging
Speaker 2: at a DC bar with pals, actually a fellow journalist,
Speaker 2: when he says William Paul just decided to go on
Speaker 2: a rant about Jews about gays, just displaying disgusting rhetoric
Speaker 2: surrounding those two groups. And and we're hearing now from
Speaker 2: William Paul himself, who took to X and we should
Speaker 2: point out this is the perfect time to just ohe
Speaker 2: the irony to discuss what William Paul's X handle happens
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 1: Well, before we give it, you told me what was
Speaker 1: his other I had another drinking issue.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, so he had a duy when he was
Speaker 2: in college and then when he was nineteen. I believe
Speaker 2: that's so he was college aged as well. And I
Speaker 2: don't know what charges ended up sticking, but he got
Speaker 2: drunk on a plane and was charged with assaulting a
Speaker 2: flight attendant. Yes, this is a at the time, a
Speaker 2: young man who seemed to have some violent troubles with drinking.
Speaker 2: And fast forward now to thirty three year old adult
Speaker 2: William Paul. And it doesn't seem like he's learned his
Speaker 2: lesson when it comes to alcohol.
Speaker 1: Okay, and this is why. And so those cases you
Speaker 1: just mentioned are document it. Oh yeah, document absolutely, okay.
Speaker 1: So I wanted to get that out before then we
Speaker 1: looked to see his statement he put on X and
Speaker 1: to find him on X, you have to find is
Speaker 1: X or Twitter handle?
Speaker 2: Right, yes, and you pointed out, you said, wow, just
Speaker 2: let me know when you see his Twitter handle. William
Speaker 2: Paul's X handle is Tasty Brew seventeen seventy six.
Speaker 1: Can't make it up. That's when I decided.
Speaker 2: We have to do the story and America.
Speaker 1: Tasty Brew seventeen seventy six is his handle, So you
Speaker 1: have to go to the Tasty Brew seventeen seventy six
Speaker 1: handle to hear his message about his drinking problem.
Speaker 2: Some stories just write themselves. They do that.
Speaker 1: When I saw his handle, that's when I said to you, Hey, babe,
Speaker 1: got a steak.
Speaker 2: You gotta do the story. So here's what William Paul
Speaker 2: aka Tasty Bruce seventeen seventy six had to say. Last night,
Speaker 2: I had too much to drink and said some things
Speaker 2: that don't represent who I really am. I'm sorry, and
Speaker 2: today I am seeking help for my drinking problem.
Speaker 1: Drinking problems are legit. They are serious. This guy's I
Speaker 1: don't know him at all, but even just hearing some
Speaker 1: history of his documented history of incidents, alcohol was involved
Speaker 1: in those incidents, correct, right, So hear he's getting help.
Speaker 1: We're drinking problem. I think that's good. That's healthy, that's fine.
Speaker 1: If he's admitting to a mistake, that's okay as well.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, does drinking make you a racist?
Speaker 2: And that is the question, babe, does I would argue no.
Speaker 1: Does drinking make you a homophobic?
Speaker 2: I would argue no, It just makes you feel emboldened
Speaker 2: to be able to say what you really think out loud.
Speaker 2: Now he claims that what he said doesn't represent who
Speaker 2: he is. Okay, but he wasn't asked about something. There
Speaker 2: wasn't a conversation that suddenly got him fired up where
Speaker 2: he said something he shouldn't have. He chose to interject
Speaker 2: into someone else's conversation about a primary election and blame
Speaker 2: Jewish people if that man loses. So that I don't know, Oh,
Speaker 2: that's a tough thing for me to marry that. He
Speaker 2: says it doesn't represent who he is, and then if
Speaker 2: you look at how the events unfolded, sober or drunk,
Speaker 2: it's hard to explain that away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't want to dismiss what he's saying.
Speaker 1: I just I don't know how to reconcile those two things. Robes,
Speaker 1: There's just it doesn't matter. There's some things that just
Speaker 1: will never come out of your mouth. I hate a
Speaker 1: whole group and I wish they'd all die.
Speaker 2: Woo huh.
Speaker 1: Hey man, I was just drunk last night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was just silly me getting drunk again.
Speaker 1: Ha ha ha ha. I mean it's just tough to reconcile.
Speaker 1: And so yes, it helped with drinking, help with hate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope he gets the help he needs because
Speaker 2: and look, and I do think shining a spotlight on
Speaker 2: these types of situations is important for people to recognize
Speaker 2: just how painful and damaging this type of rhetoric truly,
Speaker 2: truly is. And so we had represent of Lawlor go
Speaker 2: on X and make his official statement about what happened.
Speaker 2: He said, we are seeing an alarming rise in anti
Speaker 2: Semitism across the country, and the incident that occurred on
Speaker 2: Tuesday night is a stark reminder of that. For an
Speaker 2: individual to belligerently confront me because they believed I was
Speaker 2: Jewish is shocking and unacceptable. Worse than that, however, was
Speaker 2: the anti Semitic diatribe that followed, blaming Jews for a
Speaker 2: myriad of issues in New York seventeen. That's the district
Speaker 2: he represents. I'm proud to represent one of the largest
Speaker 2: Jewish populations in the United States, and I will always
Speaker 2: stand up for them and for all of my constituents.
Speaker 1: It's some I don't know how we where do we
Speaker 1: get out of this? What comes out of this? So
Speaker 1: I don't know if their consequences for this young man
Speaker 1: because of this, So huh, just another ugly incident to
Speaker 1: highlight again. This is our feed is full of racism today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's tough this Yeah, for whatever reason today,
Speaker 2: we've just got these types of stories making headline. And
Speaker 2: the hope is that maybe people read them, they absorb them,
Speaker 2: and maybe adjust some of what they think about how
Speaker 2: we talk to each other. I mean, I always feel
Speaker 2: like there can be lessons in all of this crap,
Speaker 2: and I'm hoping there can be one that comes out
Speaker 2: of this.
Speaker 1: All right, folks, we always appreciate you spending some time
Speaker 1: with us on behalf of my dear Hamy Robot. I'm TJ. Holmes.
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