WEBVTT - Senator’s Son Says The Drinking Made Him “Hate Jews and Gays”

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, folks. It is Thursday, May fourteenth, and a

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<v Speaker 1>prominent US senator's son says he is seeking help, seeking

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<v Speaker 1>treatment for his drinking problem, and that problem causes him

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<v Speaker 1>to say things like he hates Jews, in which they

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<v Speaker 1>all would die. And with that, welcome to this episode

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<v Speaker 1>of Amy and TJ Robes. What in the world is

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<v Speaker 1>going on? It's always something At this time it's Rand

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<v Speaker 1>Paul's son and a bizarre incident and a DC bar.

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<v Speaker 2>It is bizarre and concerning, and once again, when someone

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<v Speaker 2>behaves badly, they seek treatment.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's uh.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it's a step in the right direction.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, this is pretty quick.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, pretty quick. William Paul, son of Senator Ran Paul.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever heard of him before?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? I hadn't until I did a Google search and

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<v Speaker 2>then saw that he's had some other issues with drinking

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<v Speaker 2>related incidents in the past, stemming from his college days

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<v Speaker 2>on up. But this is especially egregious and atrocious. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>they always say, is it drunk? Talk? Is sober thoughts?

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<v Speaker 1>So they say no, you say all the time. You

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<v Speaker 1>say that to people all the time. Listen to folks

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<v Speaker 1>when they are abriated.

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<v Speaker 2>I think if most people actually do a deep check

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<v Speaker 2>and say, when you get a little loose in the

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<v Speaker 2>lips and you say maybe things you wouldn't have said

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<v Speaker 2>had you been sober, if you really think about it,

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<v Speaker 2>they'd come from a deep place of truth from within you.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know. This is deeply concerning when you

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<v Speaker 2>hear I don't know. I think I saw he was

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<v Speaker 2>in college in like twenty thirteen, So I'm guessing he

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<v Speaker 2>is old enough to know better. I would get like

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<v Speaker 2>late twenties, early thirties.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought he was much younger.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, let me, let me look and see. But he

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<v Speaker 2>was in college in twenty thirteen. Let me look and see.

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<v Speaker 1>That was quite a while ago. This guy's thirty something.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna get his exact age.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my good. Yes, William Paul is the name, And

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<v Speaker 1>of course most people at this point a very familiar

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<v Speaker 1>with Senator Rand Paul, the Republican from Kentucky, very prominent,

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<v Speaker 1>very outspoken member of Congress. Now, the incident we're describing

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<v Speaker 1>is one that I don't know if we'd heard of

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<v Speaker 1>at this US congressman decided to tell about it, and

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<v Speaker 1>was the age?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you find thirty three?

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<v Speaker 1>That's thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's reading thirty three years old old, significantly

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<v Speaker 2>old enough to know better.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so this comes to some representative, Mike Lawler. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a Democrat from New York. He said this happened Robes

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<v Speaker 1>on Tuesday night. He just happened to be out eating

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<v Speaker 1>with friends, hanging out mining his own business at this bar,

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<v Speaker 1>and William Paul approaches.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he says that he was verbally accosted by William Paul.

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<v Speaker 2>He in fact, he was eating with friends and one

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<v Speaker 2>of them was a journalist who actually wrote this down

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<v Speaker 2>and said I was an eyewitness to every single thing

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<v Speaker 2>that was said. So this isn't just coming from Congressman Lawler.

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<v Speaker 2>This is also coming from a journalist to witness the

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<v Speaker 2>entire thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to deny you got that many witnesses.

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<v Speaker 2>That's probably why we saw a very quick apology from

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<v Speaker 2>William Paul on X explaining why perhaps he behaved the

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<v Speaker 2>way he did. So there was no denial that is

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<v Speaker 2>of noe. But here is how the incident was described

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<v Speaker 2>to reporters by Congressman Lawler, who he literally was holding

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<v Speaker 2>court on the steps of Capitol Hill with about ten

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<v Speaker 2>mics in his face. As he was relaying what happened,

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<v Speaker 2>but he said that William Paul basically just came up

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<v Speaker 2>to him and said, if Thomas Massey loses, it's because

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<v Speaker 2>of your people. And when he says Thomas Massey, he's

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<v Speaker 2>referring to a Kentucky Republican who's up for a primary election.

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<v Speaker 2>Quickly correc it's a matter of weeks. So he said,

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<v Speaker 2>if Massey loses, it's because of your people. And he said,

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<v Speaker 2>who are my people? And he reportedly said Jews. And

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<v Speaker 2>that is when Congressman Lawler said, explained to him, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so I am. He said he was Irish, Catholic, not Jewish,

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<v Speaker 2>and he said that's when oddly, William Paul quickly said, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry to accuse you of that. Wow, he apologized

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<v Speaker 2>for accusing him of being Jewish. My bad. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 2>you think if it ended there that still would have

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<v Speaker 2>been bad, But no, it went on from there, he

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<v Speaker 2>then said, and witnesses corroborated that William Paul went on

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<v Speaker 2>a ten minute rant about Israel about Jewish people, accusing

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<v Speaker 2>Jews of being responsible for pretty much everything that goes

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<v Speaker 2>wrong in the world, and then added that he hates

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<v Speaker 2>the Gaze too, and wants Jews and Gaze to all die.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's seeking help with the drinking problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, I mean that is one step, but maybe

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<v Speaker 2>he also just might need to ask himself why he

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<v Speaker 2>holds such hatred.

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<v Speaker 1>In his sat is just for that to come out

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<v Speaker 1>of somebody's mouth. It does not even the association necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>with Rand Paul, which certainly elevates this, and I am

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<v Speaker 1>curious where does that come from?

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<v Speaker 2>It? Look, I don't know. I don't know where that

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<v Speaker 2>comes from. And you can't hold a thirty three year

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<v Speaker 2>old man, I guess I would say you can't hold

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<v Speaker 2>his father necessarily responsible for what comes out of a

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<v Speaker 2>thirty three year old man's mouth, who is a fully

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<v Speaker 2>formed human. Who. Look, we all have plenty of people.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, your children might not think the same way

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<v Speaker 2>you do. They might not have the same political ideology

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<v Speaker 2>as you do. So I want to make sure we

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<v Speaker 2>separate that. But unfortunately for Senator Paul, he's had to

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<v Speaker 2>do a lot of explaining when it comes to some

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<v Speaker 2>of the things his son has done and said, and

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<v Speaker 2>that is part of being a parent, I get. But

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<v Speaker 2>this has risen to a significant level, and we haven't

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<v Speaker 2>heard anything from Senator Paul's office as of yet.

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<v Speaker 1>No, they asked him about it in the hallway to say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I got nothing on you. I got nothing for you

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<v Speaker 1>on that, and kept it pushing. But this is Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it's embarrassing tough publicly, but that's no parent is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be proud of that and their kid having that moment.

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<v Speaker 1>We've all say, we've all, but you of a certain age,

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<v Speaker 1>we've all had a bad moment somewhere at a bar,

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<v Speaker 1>did something, said something stupid, made a fool out of yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing like that for the overwhelming majority of us. Have

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<v Speaker 1>we ever had to come back the next day and

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<v Speaker 1>apologize for saying I hate this entire group of people

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't, So I don't know where that comes from.

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<v Speaker 2>And he wasn't even in the conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>He just decided to interject because he thought he saw

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<v Speaker 1>a Jewish congressman.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Lawler was sitting there having his own conversation with

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<v Speaker 2>his own group, and he decided he introduced himself first

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<v Speaker 2>and said here's who I am, and then started weighing

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<v Speaker 2>in on all of this horrific anti Semitic, homophobic, just

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<v Speaker 2>this long, ten minute rant where they were just sitting

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<v Speaker 2>there with their jaws dropped. They called it disgusting behavior.

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<v Speaker 2>It was one of those moments where as you hear

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<v Speaker 2>Lawler describe it, it's almost as if he couldn't believe

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<v Speaker 2>what he was hearing. And then he said, to top

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<v Speaker 2>it all off, when when Paul got up to leave,

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<v Speaker 2>he flipped him off with the bird apparently, and then

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<v Speaker 2>tripped over his barstool on the way out, which you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if only there was video, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, I'll just add, and you know what there might

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<v Speaker 1>be in this ball. You know they're going back looking

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<v Speaker 1>for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Now if there was a ten minute rant, don't you

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<v Speaker 2>think someone these days, you'd feel like, at least especially

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<v Speaker 2>the reporter, I would have thought they would have taken

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<v Speaker 2>out their cell phone and started recording, because if that

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<v Speaker 2>were the case, this would be on a whole other

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<v Speaker 2>level of this story. It would you know. It just

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<v Speaker 2>goes to show if you've got it's one thing, you've

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<v Speaker 2>got two accounts, and they seem very legit because they are,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in Unison they are saying the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But my god, if there was video of this, I

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<v Speaker 2>can't even imagine the uproar it will cause, but certainly

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<v Speaker 2>validating for all the folks out there who say, Look,

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<v Speaker 2>this sentiment is real, it's damaging, and people feel that

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<v Speaker 2>confident to speak like that. Look, we did a story

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<v Speaker 2>earlier this episode, earlier today about this disgusting human being

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<v Speaker 2>in the state of Texas who feels perfectly okay, sorry

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<v Speaker 2>what oh Tennessee, sorry the other t state in the

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<v Speaker 2>state of Tennessee to feel like it's his constitutional right

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<v Speaker 2>to drop the N word wherever he goes to instigate violence.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just there's this sense of entitlement or the sense

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<v Speaker 2>of ownership. I get to say whatever hateful things I

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<v Speaker 2>want because I'm an American, and it's it's a it's

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<v Speaker 2>a disgusting, hateful sense of entitlement that seems to be

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<v Speaker 2>fairly pervasive. It maybe was before behind closed doors or

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<v Speaker 2>whispered Now you've got people shouting it from the rooftops.

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<v Speaker 1>Which do you prefer. Do you prefer they keep it

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<v Speaker 1>to themselves in the shadows and you're not knowing they're

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<v Speaker 1>walking among us, or for them to just raise their hands.

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<v Speaker 2>On one hand, it's it's good to know who you're

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<v Speaker 2>who you're dealing with. But on the other hand, It

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<v Speaker 2>says a lot that those individuals feel safe and entitled

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<v Speaker 2>and protected to say these types of vile things.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, we have to say, I hate they feel the

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<v Speaker 1>things in the first place. Who even want this stuff?

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<v Speaker 1>We'll stay with us. We did hear. We'll let you

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<v Speaker 1>hear his words, William Paul's words, what he says happened,

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<v Speaker 1>and what he says he's going to do next, and

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<v Speaker 1>also a tweet from the congressman as well that's worth hearing.

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<v Speaker 2>Stare Welcome back, everyone to this episode of Amy and TJ,

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<v Speaker 2>where we are talking about the son of Senator Rand

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<v Speaker 2>Paul going off on a Republican congressman who is hanging

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<v Speaker 2>at a DC bar with pals, actually a fellow journalist,

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<v Speaker 2>when he says William Paul just decided to go on

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<v Speaker 2>a rant about Jews about gays, just displaying disgusting rhetoric

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<v Speaker 2>surrounding those two groups. And and we're hearing now from

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<v Speaker 2>William Paul himself, who took to X and we should

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<v Speaker 2>point out this is the perfect time to just ohe

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<v Speaker 2>the irony to discuss what William Paul's X handle happens

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<v Speaker 2>to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, before we give it, you told me what was

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<v Speaker 1>his other I had another drinking issue.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, so he had a duy when he was

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<v Speaker 2>in college and then when he was nineteen. I believe

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<v Speaker 2>that's so he was college aged as well. And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what charges ended up sticking, but he got

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<v Speaker 2>drunk on a plane and was charged with assaulting a

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<v Speaker 2>flight attendant. Yes, this is a at the time, a

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<v Speaker 2>young man who seemed to have some violent troubles with drinking.

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<v Speaker 2>And fast forward now to thirty three year old adult

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<v Speaker 2>William Paul. And it doesn't seem like he's learned his

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<v Speaker 2>lesson when it comes to alcohol.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, and this is why. And so those cases you

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<v Speaker 1>just mentioned are document it. Oh yeah, document absolutely, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So I wanted to get that out before then we

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<v Speaker 1>looked to see his statement he put on X and

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<v Speaker 1>to find him on X, you have to find is

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<v Speaker 1>X or Twitter handle?

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<v Speaker 2>Right, yes, and you pointed out, you said, wow, just

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<v Speaker 2>let me know when you see his Twitter handle. William

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<v Speaker 2>Paul's X handle is Tasty Brew seventeen seventy six.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't make it up. That's when I decided.

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<v Speaker 2>We have to do the story and America.

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<v Speaker 1>Tasty Brew seventeen seventy six is his handle, So you

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<v Speaker 1>have to go to the Tasty Brew seventeen seventy six

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<v Speaker 1>handle to hear his message about his drinking problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Some stories just write themselves. They do that.

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<v Speaker 1>When I saw his handle, that's when I said to you, Hey, babe,

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<v Speaker 1>got a steak.

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<v Speaker 2>You gotta do the story. So here's what William Paul

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<v Speaker 2>aka Tasty Bruce seventeen seventy six had to say. Last night,

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<v Speaker 2>I had too much to drink and said some things

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<v Speaker 2>that don't represent who I really am. I'm sorry, and

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<v Speaker 2>today I am seeking help for my drinking problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Drinking problems are legit. They are serious. This guy's I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know him at all, but even just hearing some

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<v Speaker 1>history of his documented history of incidents, alcohol was involved

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<v Speaker 1>in those incidents, correct, right, So hear he's getting help.

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<v Speaker 1>We're drinking problem. I think that's good. That's healthy, that's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>If he's admitting to a mistake, that's okay as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, does drinking make you a racist?

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<v Speaker 2>And that is the question, babe, does I would argue no.

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<v Speaker 1>Does drinking make you a homophobic?

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<v Speaker 2>I would argue no, It just makes you feel emboldened

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to say what you really think out loud.

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<v Speaker 2>Now he claims that what he said doesn't represent who

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<v Speaker 2>he is. Okay, but he wasn't asked about something. There

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't a conversation that suddenly got him fired up where

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<v Speaker 2>he said something he shouldn't have. He chose to interject

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<v Speaker 2>into someone else's conversation about a primary election and blame

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish people if that man loses. So that I don't know, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a tough thing for me to marry that. He

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<v Speaker 2>says it doesn't represent who he is, and then if

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<v Speaker 2>you look at how the events unfolded, sober or drunk,

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<v Speaker 2>it's hard to explain that away.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I don't want to dismiss what he's saying.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I don't know how to reconcile those two things. Robes,

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<v Speaker 1>There's just it doesn't matter. There's some things that just

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<v Speaker 1>will never come out of your mouth. I hate a

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<v Speaker 1>whole group and I wish they'd all die.

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<v Speaker 2>Woo huh.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey man, I was just drunk last night.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it was just silly me getting drunk again.

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<v Speaker 1>Ha ha ha ha. I mean it's just tough to reconcile.

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<v Speaker 1>And so yes, it helped with drinking, help with hate.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I hope he gets the help he needs because

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<v Speaker 2>and look, and I do think shining a spotlight on

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<v Speaker 2>these types of situations is important for people to recognize

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<v Speaker 2>just how painful and damaging this type of rhetoric truly,

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<v Speaker 2>truly is. And so we had represent of Lawlor go

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<v Speaker 2>on X and make his official statement about what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, we are seeing an alarming rise in anti

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<v Speaker 2>Semitism across the country, and the incident that occurred on

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<v Speaker 2>Tuesday night is a stark reminder of that. For an

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<v Speaker 2>individual to belligerently confront me because they believed I was

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish is shocking and unacceptable. Worse than that, however, was

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<v Speaker 2>the anti Semitic diatribe that followed, blaming Jews for a

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<v Speaker 2>myriad of issues in New York seventeen. That's the district

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<v Speaker 2>he represents. I'm proud to represent one of the largest

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish populations in the United States, and I will always

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<v Speaker 2>stand up for them and for all of my constituents.

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<v Speaker 1>It's some I don't know how we where do we

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<v Speaker 1>get out of this? What comes out of this? So

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if their consequences for this young man

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<v Speaker 1>because of this, So huh, just another ugly incident to

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<v Speaker 1>highlight again. This is our feed is full of racism today.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's tough this Yeah, for whatever reason today,

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<v Speaker 2>we've just got these types of stories making headline. And

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<v Speaker 2>the hope is that maybe people read them, they absorb them,

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe adjust some of what they think about how

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<v Speaker 2>we talk to each other. I mean, I always feel

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<v Speaker 2>like there can be lessons in all of this crap,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm hoping there can be one that comes out

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<v Speaker 2>of this.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, folks, we always appreciate you spending some time

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<v Speaker 1>with us on behalf of my dear Hamy Robot. I'm TJ. Holmes.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk to