1 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: It's that time time, time. 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 2: Time, luck and load. So Michael Arry Show is on 3 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 2: the air. 4 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: We will talk to the ATF Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearm 5 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: is in about five minutes. But first a quick note. 6 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: We spoke to Tony Busby during the first break in 7 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: our interview and here's what he said. Tony Busby is 8 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: our guest. 9 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 2: Tony. 10 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: When when you we're talking about the Sean, Puffy Combs, 11 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: p Diddy, whatever name you, Shawn John, whatever name you want. 12 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 2: To use for him. 13 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: When you when you begin a case like this, there 14 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: are a lot of allegations, what is the logistical approach? 15 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: Because it strikes me that at some point you got 16 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: to start to get your arms around the case. I 17 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: know that when someone defends a case like this, they'll 18 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: claim that as you ask for more information, it's a 19 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: phishing expedition. But a lot of information you need is 20 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: in the possession of the defendant, and you have the 21 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: allegation of you know, maybe your client. Now you've got 22 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: you said one hundred and one clients. You start to 23 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: see certain things that become patterns. What are the what 24 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: is the strategy to put together a case like this? 25 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: At this point, well. 26 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 3: I have the benefit, of course, of the FBI's work. 27 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 3: They've been investigating Seawancombs for over two years, and so 28 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 3: a lot of the evidence is in the possession of 29 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 3: the federal government right now. Specifically, what I'm really interested 30 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 3: in is the type of drugs that they seized, and 31 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 3: also eventually the statements that they're going to take. And 32 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 3: I expect that there will be cooperating witnesses, hopefully bodyguards 33 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 3: and the people that surrounded Sean Combs, because it was 34 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 3: always surrounded by bodyguards, and in fact, there's a lot 35 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 3: of allegations that his bodyguards participated in some of this conduct. 36 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 3: So they're facing criminal prosecution themselves, so I expect, you know, 37 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 3: they're obviously not the target. My hope is and my 38 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 3: expectation is that at some point they will begin to roll, 39 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 3: so I have that benefit for me. The hardest thing is, 40 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 3: you know, we've had twenty five hundred potential contact whether 41 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,839 Speaker 3: it be via the Internet or phone, of people who 42 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 3: have come forward to say, you know, I was a 43 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 3: victim or I have information. The administrative work there is 44 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 3: almost overwhelming, and we have sixty sixty or more people 45 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 3: vetting these people, collecting information, collecting pictures, collecting texts, that 46 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,679 Speaker 3: sort of thing. That's the real challenge, and to make 47 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 3: sure that those people that we feel like they've been 48 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 3: vetted because you know, you know how this works. I mean, 49 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 3: I don't go into this, you know, like a you know, 50 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 3: I'm not naive. I know that there's people out there 51 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 3: that are looking for a payday and are hoping, well, 52 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 3: I'll just say that this happened to me, or I 53 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 3: was at a party, so I'm going to say this 54 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 3: happened to me. So we're trying to make sure that 55 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 3: on the one hand, we don't want to be cross 56 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 3: examining people to the extent that they feel like they're 57 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 3: not believed or they're not being treated with respect, because 58 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 3: you know, it takes a lot of courage for somebody 59 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 3: to step forward and to say this happened to me, 60 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 3: and you know, in the state of our society, I mean, 61 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 3: it would be the same for me, especially for a 62 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 3: male to step forward and say this happened to me 63 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 3: as a male, but as a female too. It's just 64 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 3: hard because because you know that they're going to be 65 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 3: roundly attacked. You know that Shawn Combs is going to 66 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 3: have a very high powered legal team and they're going 67 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 3: to their entire lives are going to be you know, investigated. 68 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 3: So this is tough to step forward. So I don't 69 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 3: want to be part of that and traumatize them myself 70 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 3: because because I'm trying to make sure that I properly 71 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 3: these cases. On the other hand, I don't want to 72 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 3: be representing someone who's a fraud or somebody who's just 73 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 3: trying to get on what they think is going to 74 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 3: be a gravy train, because you know, one bad apple 75 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 3: spoil the whole barrel as far as I'm concerned. So 76 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 3: that's a real challenge, especially when you're dealing with cases 77 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 3: and incidents that happened, you know, five years ago, ten 78 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 3: years ago, in some cases, fifteen years ago. The good 79 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 3: news about about the timeframe is that, you know, several 80 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 3: states recognize that it's very difficult for somebody to step 81 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 3: forward and say, hey, this happened to me, and here's 82 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 3: how it happened, and you know, I want to seek justice. 83 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 3: The State of New York. I'm not suggesting that the 84 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 3: State of New York is an example for everything in 85 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 3: our country, but one of the things they've done well 86 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 3: is they have a statute limitations in a recovery statue 87 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 3: that allows, I think until March of twenty twenty five, 88 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 3: anything that ever happened as far back, you know, thirty 89 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 3: years ago, it's still within the statute limitations. You know, 90 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 3: the state of Texas as an example, you know, if 91 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 3: something happened more than five years ago, you know, too bad, 92 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 3: You're too late. So you know, every state has a 93 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 3: different limitations period as to when you can bring a claim, 94 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 3: and sour of course, we have to be up to 95 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 3: speed on that. We have to be up to speed 96 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 3: on what kind of claims can be brought in the 97 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 3: specific time frames, and then you know, just the nuts 98 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 3: and bolts of gathering the information and vetting the client. 99 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 3: This is a real challenging situation when you're talking about 100 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 3: people from you know, thirty different states with incidents that 101 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 3: happened as far back as nineteen ninety one that happened 102 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,679 Speaker 3: in primarily in California, New York, in Florida, but also 103 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 3: in you know, ten or twelve different other states. So 104 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 3: it's a lot of administrative work and you want to 105 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 3: make sure you get it right, especially when you're when 106 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 3: it's a case like this against a very powerful person 107 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 3: as you suggest, who's who has a lot of friends 108 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 3: and a lot of places, and also you know people 109 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 3: that you know, there's a reason they call people fans 110 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 3: because they're fanatic, and you know they can be very mean, 111 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 3: ugly and also in some cases violent. 112 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: So that ended abruptly because we were coming back from 113 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: break anyway, It's it's interesting stuff. There's a podcast that 114 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 1: used to listen to and Crime Town, and the the 115 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: theme music they used was from a guy went by 116 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: the name of paper Boy or paper man or papering 117 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: paper Boy, something like that, and the song was about 118 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: your your crimes will come back to get you, that 119 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: there is a sense of justice, that there is a 120 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: sense of karma, there is a sense that that there 121 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: that you're wrongdoing will catch up to you at some point. Yeah, 122 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:16,239 Speaker 1: it really is the case that there are powerful people 123 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: who and we can get into the deep psychological study 124 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: of why they do this, but there are very powerful 125 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: people who transcend professional success and wealth beyond measure, and 126 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: they look around for things to satisfy themselves because human 127 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: beings have this right. You might be seeking to buy 128 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: a new truck, they're seeking to have a younger and 129 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: younger sexual conquest and they've already gone down to nine 130 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: years old, and you think, my goodness, how depraved does 131 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: the mine have to be? That is one element of this, 132 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: and that is a task task, How can this happen? 133 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: There was another element to this, which is how many 134 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: people come out and say and do things against the 135 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: interest of our country, against the interest of our people, 136 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: because they're being blackmailed by folks who use things like 137 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: sex for power. Jeffrey Epstein filmed everything for a reason. 138 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: He didn't he couldn't possibly have the time to go 139 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: back and watch it. He wanted to compromise people, or 140 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: others wanted to use him to compromise people. Very disturbing, 141 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 1: very very disturbing. Firearms stolen from vehicles is a big 142 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: way that bad guys get guns and commit crimes without 143 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: ever having to buy one. And we'll talk to ATF 144 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: about that coming up, Michael. 145 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 4: Very because you're a public Paul Revere kind of ringing 146 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 4: the warning zone. 147 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: Pete Rose has passed a switch hitter, major League Baseball's 148 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 1: all time leader in hits with forty two hundred and 149 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: fifty six games played at thirty five hundred and sixty 150 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: two at bats at over fourteen thousand singles, thirty two 151 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: hundred three World Series Championships, three batting titles, one MVP Award, 152 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: two Gold Glove Awards, Rookie of the Year awards, seventeen 153 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: All Star appearances in an unequaled and never will be 154 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: five different positions first base, second base, third base, right field, 155 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: and left field. Two gold gloves when he was an 156 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 1: outfielder in sixty nine and seventy. Pete Rose has passed, 157 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: and here to talk about Pete Rose and his legacy 158 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: is ATF agent Michael Woodell. 159 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 5: Welcome, sir, Michael, How are you, sirfing? 160 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: I'm good. How do we put Pete Rose's career into perspective? 161 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 5: Well, I would like to say, you know, he had 162 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 5: some major accomplishments, Yes, that were at some point you 163 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 5: know they were, you know, overturned due to gambling habits. 164 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: You're pretty good on your feet. I gotta admit, for 165 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: a government guy, I didn't expect you to handle that 166 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: as well. Well done. What do you do with yall? 167 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 5: So currently I'm the special agent charge for the Houston 168 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 5: Field Division, So really it's just a lot of paperwork 169 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 5: at this point. And I get to talk to a 170 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 5: radio show host. 171 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: What percentage of our audience would you guess hates you 172 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: solely because you're at the ATF. 173 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 5: I would say about ninety seven percent. 174 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: I thought you were going to shoot low. You must 175 00:10:55,440 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: read the Oh, I like, thank you despite what you 176 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: do Withdell? 177 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 4: Uh? 178 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: Where were you before you were at the Houston office? 179 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 5: So prior to Houston, I was in Neil Salvador. I 180 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 5: lived in El Salvador for about three years and I 181 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 5: covered our Central and South America Regional office. 182 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 1: I like to think that somebody in DC said what 183 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: are we going to do with Withdell? And they said, well, 184 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: send him to Houston. He's got the right accent. 185 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 5: Well, I'm a Texan, so they were very kind to me. 186 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, where are you from? 187 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 5: Originally I'm from Odessa, but I kind of I call 188 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 5: San Antonio area more home. OK, so maybe at some 189 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 5: point you'll wind up back that way. 190 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: Well, San Antonia has changed a lot, it's uh and 191 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: not all for the good. San anton was a town 192 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: to me, and I say that in a good way. 193 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 1: But the problem with that is so many other people 194 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: figured it out and it just doesn't have the infrastructure 195 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: I think to hold it not it's not Austin in 196 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: the sense that it's overwhelmed yet. But I'll tell you what, 197 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: every time I go, I think to myself, I just 198 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: want send a tone for me to visit. I don't 199 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: want all these other people to be here. 200 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 5: You're right, the infrastructure projects they have there, it's a 201 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 5: race to keep up with the population. 202 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 1: Do you not worry about going on my kind of 203 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: talk show and just getting beat up? 204 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,599 Speaker 5: I get beat up every day, So this is a 205 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 5: this is a good venue. 206 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: Who is your favorite g man of any sort in 207 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 1: the movies other than Elliot Ness and Raylan Gibbings and Justified? 208 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 5: Well, I would say, does Jason Bourne count? 209 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: I haven't seen those Born movies. But that's Matt Damon, right, 210 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: I get Ramon romonand though was he a government man? Okay, 211 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: all right, okay, fair enough. Is there ever an ATF 212 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: agent in a movie or television series that you kind 213 00:12:57,880 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: of looked up to or liked and thought, well, that's 214 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: what I want people to think of me as well? 215 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 5: I can't say that we're always painted in the positive light, 216 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 5: So for movie references, no, certain. 217 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: Do you ever go on raids? 218 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 5: I used to, uh, now that I've gotten older and slower. 219 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,319 Speaker 5: I now, you know, typically I'm behind a desk or 220 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 5: in meetings. 221 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 1: What was the most surprising, uh, firearm you ever discovered 222 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: on a raid? 223 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 5: You know, typically it was a firearm associated with something else. 224 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 3: Uh. 225 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 5: You know, I've seen all types of farms. I would 226 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 5: say oftentimes it might have been, you know, firearms that 227 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 5: were hitting baby's rooms, you know, under you know, babi's mattresses. 228 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 5: And so maybe it wasn't the type of farm necessarily, 229 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 5: because I've seen them all. Uh, but it's just, you know, 230 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 5: oftentimes maybe where those firms were kept. 231 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 2: That's good answer. 232 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: So your folks are talking about which is the reason 233 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: I wanted to is it with you? In addition to 234 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: Pete Rose in your career in Central America about securing 235 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: your weapon in your car, which I actually are truck, 236 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: which I actually think is a very good thing because 237 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: that is one of the most common ways that bad 238 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: guys end up with guns that they used to commit 239 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: crimes because they don't buy them themselves. What did you 240 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: want to say about that? 241 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 3: Michael? 242 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 5: First off, thank you again and I appreciate your audience 243 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 5: allowed me or giving me this opportunity for your allowance. 244 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 5: But I'd like to just kind of discuss the numbers, 245 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 5: and I would argue that these numbers are probably very 246 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 5: much underreported. And looking at the numbers for one year 247 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 5: here for the Houston area, there were about sixty four 248 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 5: hundred firearms that were reported stolen to law enforcement. And 249 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 5: that's a troubling number. It's a troubling trend. And these 250 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 5: are fires. I would say this is probably the biggest 251 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 5: source of farms that go to our criminal elements. That 252 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 5: micro community is dangerous. You know. I'll give you an example. 253 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 5: You know, just this last year in San Antonio, there 254 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 5: were two police officers and under to suspect you know, 255 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 5: on a vehicle stop. They engaged into a shootout with him. 256 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 5: He shot two police officers before I think he was 257 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 5: ultimately killed. You know, in his vehicle, he had two 258 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 5: firearms that we later you know, through the investigation, showed 259 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 5: that they were unsecured in a vehicle that he had 260 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 5: utilized for that crime spree. You know, that coming back 261 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 5: to the same owner. And so look, Texas is a 262 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 5: gun state. It's a gun culture, and so not you know, 263 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 5: looking to you know, message like hey, don't carry firearms. 264 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 5: We're just asking people to be cognizant of how they 265 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 5: store those firearms. You know, when they go to an event, 266 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 5: you know, there's criminal elements, there's criminal groups that are 267 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 5: targeting them, you know, making them victims where you know, 268 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 5: I'll give you an example. You know, you might go 269 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 5: to the NRG Stadium. You get there and of course 270 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 5: you can't carry that firearm in, and so what's typically 271 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 5: happening is someone may take that gun off, put it 272 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 5: underneath the seat of their truck and then go into 273 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 5: that Well, now we have that crime element that knows that, 274 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 5: and so they know that they have a limited opportunity 275 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 5: or limited timeframe. So when they go through that parking lot, 276 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 5: you know, they may see a vehicle, it's a truck, 277 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 5: it may have an AR sticker on the back, or 278 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 5: a block sticker or you know right to carry, which 279 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 5: is great, but it's an advertisement for that criminal element 280 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 5: that hey, there may be a possibility that there is 281 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 5: a fire inside that vehicle, and so they're taking advantage 282 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 5: of that opportunity and that's what's fueling you know, some 283 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 5: of our you know, I would say a large majority 284 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 5: of our criminals having access to those firems. It creates 285 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 5: that black market. 286 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: That is so true. I think I need a show 287 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: sponsor that's a gun vault, and gun Vault is actually 288 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: one of the brands. If you you're probably talking to 289 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: the to the gun Vault people, could you let them 290 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: know that I need a show sponsor in that categy. 291 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: I actually do believe that this is important and something 292 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: that we should focus on because a high percentage of 293 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: folks listening in our show and should be carrying at 294 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: all times and certainly in their vehicle. But securing that 295 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: weapon if it's not on your person, because for whatever 296 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: reason you separate from it, that is critically important. We 297 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 1: do not want those guns falling into the hands of 298 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 1: bad guys. 299 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 5: And thank you, Michael. And that's exactly our message. We're 300 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 5: not saying don't carry, We're just saying, you know, to 301 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 5: think ahead, plan ahead. You know, I know that a 302 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 5: cable lock or a gun vault may not be the 303 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 5: absolute answer. You know. Can they be defeated, yes, But 304 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 5: we're just asking for ways to harden your vehicle, you know, 305 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 5: for safe storage. The other message that we would like 306 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 5: to ask is that people to have their gun information 307 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 5: recorded somewhere. A lot of times people make reports to 308 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 5: report their firearms stolen. But they don't. They don't have access. 309 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 5: They don't recall the serial number of that firearm. It 310 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 5: was never recorded, and so that that firearm can never 311 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 5: be entered into any kind of stolen gun database. 312 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: All very good advice are single handedly improving the image 313 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: of the ATF. Michael Wodell, thank you, sir. I appreciate 314 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: you than I'm gonna get a bagage I'm gonna get 315 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get him. You're not going anywhere even if 316 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: Trump does. You're not. Ramone didn't believe I could have 317 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 1: the ATF on our show and pull it off without 318 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 1: coming off as a sellout. But I did it the 319 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: way the conditions of my parole. I actually kind of 320 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: like the guy. I mean, if you're gonna have an 321 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: ATF agent, I mean to read our emails. That's sort 322 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 1: of a bitch. Get him off there. If you're gonna 323 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: have an ag let's start with you have an ATF. Right, 324 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 1: If you're gonna have an ATF agent, he's tricking you, Michael. 325 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: He'll take your guns as quick as the next guy. Probably. 326 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: I wasn't born yesterday. Probably, But let's start here. Of 327 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: the heels he's your favorite, heel right, of your bad guys, 328 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: of your villain, of your story. We're pretty good guy. 329 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: He loves the show, is what he said. Poor guy, 330 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: Can you imagine, can you imagine knowing man? They'd say, 331 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: never meet your hero. I'm not saying to the guy's hero. 332 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: But you know you're coming on and you're liable to 333 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 1: get beat up. You know that, right. It's just I 334 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: thought he did very well. He handled the Pete Rose 335 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: pretty well. I thought that was good. So every morning 336 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: before nine o'clock I have asked David Maulsby at the 337 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: at Camp Hope to send me an update on somebody 338 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 1: within the last day that has donated, contributed, volunteered, whatever 339 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 1: that may be. So occasionally I can bring that to y'all. 340 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 1: And he said, well, this morning I'm driving to the 341 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: Woodlands to meet with Waste Connections. They made their first 342 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:16,479 Speaker 1: donation back in Austin in Austin, back in August, and 343 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: today I'm picking up a check for forty thousand dollars. 344 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: Waste Connections garbage pickup, home and business waste management services 345 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: and dumpster rentals. Garbage pickup for home, business, waste dumpster 346 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: rental well that's forty thousand dollars. That's real money. Roll 347 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: off dumpster rental, commercial trash compactors. We have a roll 348 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: off rental company in Baton Rouge called a one roll 349 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 1: Off and they absolutely kill it with our listeners. It's 350 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: a first roll off dumpster rental sponsor we've ever had 351 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: for the show, and I think they made more money 352 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 1: the first month they were a sponsor of our show. 353 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: I think they made enough money that first month to 354 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: pay for a year on the show and they've been 355 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: on with us for several years now. Sometimes you know, 356 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 1: our listeners need certain things. Obviously, the old model for 357 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 1: radio was car dealers, furniture stores, electric well not so 358 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: much furniture stores, mac chains that car dealers and electronics stores. 359 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: They're At one point there were a lot of little 360 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: best buys and car dealers. That was the big one. 361 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 1: And our model was, no, we don't want you to advertise. 362 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: I still have to teach people this. It's amazing. People 363 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: come in and they want to they want to do 364 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: what they've always done. They in fact, I turned people 365 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: down to be a show sponsor who think of us 366 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 1: as advertising and what they think is we're going to 367 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: throw some money at you, and you're going to say 368 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,199 Speaker 1: what we tell you to say, and then we're going 369 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: to make a bunch of money. It doesn't work. It 370 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: doesn't work like that. I'm not going to do it 371 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 1: to start with, and b our listeners won't respond to that. 372 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 1: We have created a family, a community. We help each 373 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 1: other out as much as we can. We help our 374 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 1: veterans who are beating PTSD. We help people that are 375 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: trying to find a job. We help businesses, whether they 376 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: are a show sponsor or not, where we can to 377 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: grow their business. We help parents that are fighting their 378 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: school district. Those sorts of things are very important to us, 379 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: and show sponsors have to go into it with the 380 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: mindset that you are contributing to a cause because you 381 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: believe in what we do. And hopefully our listeners when 382 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: they need your good or service, will use you, and 383 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: hopefully you will give them a great response and then 384 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: they will tell me about that. Lewis Floory is the 385 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: best of anybody we have. Lewis Floory is the best 386 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: at doing this. When he goes out, I don't think 387 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: he owns a computer, but he goes out with a 388 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: with business cards and he has a clipboard, and it's 389 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: at the end, just like when Max's people go and 390 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: deliver a product, you know, furniture, they have a sheet 391 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: that they have to get you to sign. And I 392 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: think Mac wrote this thing up in nineteen eighty one 393 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 1: and they mimeographed it. It's on that kind of purplishink 394 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,239 Speaker 1: kind of deal, and it's it's smudged because it's been 395 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: so many years and you have to read it and 396 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 1: sign it. It says, are you absolutely completely happy? Is 397 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: there anything else we can do for you? Remove your furniture, 398 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 1: clean this, wipe this, do this, do this. We'll even 399 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,479 Speaker 1: mow your lng. And I asked Mac one time, has 400 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: anybody ever taken you up on that? Several several people 401 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: just to see if they would do it, and then 402 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: they end up, you know, throwing a delivery guyn extra 403 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: fifty bucks or whatever because they just wanted to see 404 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,479 Speaker 1: if they were serious about it. But Lewis Flory what 405 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: he does is at the end he says, now, have 406 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 1: I made you completely even if he's just come out 407 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: to bid the job, have I made you completely happy? 408 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: And I show up on time? 409 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 2: Do I do what? 410 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: Yestely, I'll tell you what I'm blown away. I see 411 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: why Michael brags. 412 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 3: Ony. 413 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: He pulls a card out and he hands it to 414 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: him and he says, would you mind taking a moment 415 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,239 Speaker 1: to send him an email and tell him that? And 416 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: so he makes it very easy for people to give 417 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: me feedback that they had a good experience. You know, 418 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: when you take a little time to do that, it's 419 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: amazing what a difference it makes. Matt Bryce Russell, Lebara, 420 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: Samuel Sauti at Big City Wings, Connie Stagner at a 421 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: Corey Diamonds. There's so many of these folks that listen 422 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: to the show, listen to the needs that you have, 423 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: step in and take care of it. That often will 424 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: say send them to us. We'll take care of that. 425 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: I'll drive over and do that, I'll do whatever, and 426 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: it works. Yeah, I'm bragging on us, But the US 427 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: is you and what we have created because of you 428 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: over all these years, and I think it's pretty special. 429 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 1: There's nothing else like it in radio. They tell me, 430 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: you know, the national guys tell me, there's nothing else 431 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 1: in radio like what we do. It's not just Houston 432 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: any longer, but we make a big, a big community, 433 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: a big geographic space feel like a small town. And 434 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 1: only if you've grown up in a small town do 435 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: you know what that's like. Only when you lose a 436 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: loved one and your church family comes in around you. 437 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,199 Speaker 1: Only when you lose a loved one who's a veteran 438 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: all his you know, veteran buddies come around. Only if 439 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: you lose a loved one and there's still a kid. Oh, 440 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 1: I saw this happen, and all the families of the 441 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: school come around. Only if you've experienced that, can you 442 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: understand why that's. 443 00:25:48,160 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 2: Very I just say, door woke, the left woke, the 444 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 2: moon was playing the airfl I mean very well. Tim 445 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 2: Wallas plays a skin. 446 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 6: One gonna take a fair train. 447 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 2: Down at the stair. 448 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 6: I don't care barely good. I'm gonna have a mountain, 449 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 6: the half mountains. 450 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 3: The jump off. 451 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 6: Nobody's gonna know. Can't you see wall? Can't you see 452 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 6: what that barmld she been doing me? Can't you see. 453 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 1: Can't you see. 454 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 6: What that Bama he's been doing me? I'm gonna find me. 455 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 1: The hole in the wall. I'm gonna crawl inside and down. 456 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: I hope that he did a scandal doesn't turn out 457 00:27:54,080 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: as it's alleged to involve Obama, that would be unfortunate 458 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: to besmirch his wonderful reputation. The longshoreman strike, shutting down 459 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,360 Speaker 1: ports from Maine to Texas, including the Port of Houston, 460 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 1: could cost the US economy three point eight billion dollars 461 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: per day or more. The union demands higher wages and 462 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 1: a ban on automated cranes, gates, and trucks. Let's go 463 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: over the logic here. We don't want y'all bringing in here. 464 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: We don't want y'all bringing automation in here to move 465 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: these containers around because we want to work. We want 466 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: to do the work, not those automated cranes. We want 467 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: to do that work. Let us do it, not the automation. 468 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: And if you don't let us do it, then we're 469 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: not gonna work. Wait what Yeah, yeah, you want to 470 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: bring in automation to move the containers because you don't 471 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: want to have to deal with strikes. So we're gonna 472 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: go on strike. Wait what Yeah, We're gonna make everybody 473 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: love us by refusing to work, and then the supply 474 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: chain will collapse and people won't be able to get 475 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: their stuff, and they'll love us. And and we want 476 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: a seventy percent raise. I sir, I don't think that's 477 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:08,479 Speaker 1: gonna work quite how you think it is. He in 478 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: an interview, was quoted as saying that he would crush 479 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: the company, the country, the country will collapse, and he 480 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: will cause that to happen. The head of the union 481 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: said that, and to some extent he's right. To some 482 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: extent he's right, And I'm not certain that this isn't 483 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: the time to confront this head on Automation is coming. 484 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: You know, the buggy whip makers Union didn't want automobiles 485 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,959 Speaker 1: and their argument you can go back and read. There 486 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: was much ink spilled over the. 487 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 2: Fact that. 488 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: Many people were involved in the economy, equestrian economy, the 489 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: horse economy, and that if you automated transportation with the 490 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: internal combustion engine, then all those people would lose their jobs. 491 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: People who bred horses, rode horses, broke horses, fed horses, 492 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: veterinarians for horses. Same argument. The whaling Institute or the 493 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: whaling industry, which was powerful in its day, spilled a 494 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: lot of ink and spent a lot of money arguing 495 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: that electricity was the work of the devil. Automation is 496 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: here to stay, and if you want exhibit a on 497 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: why that is the threat of a strike, the threat 498 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: of a strike, the fact that you say, unless you 499 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: arbitrarily pay us a lot more money, we go on strike. 500 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan's one of Ronald Reagan's most defining moments was 501 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: the air traffic controller strike of I think eighty two, 502 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: might have been eighty one. The air traffic controllers went 503 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: on strike, and it threatened to shut the country down. 504 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: Little things that we take for granted because they go 505 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: on regularly, like people being able to get on and 506 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: off their planes. When that can't happen, It's amazing how 507 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: many things fall apart. But that is one percent as 508 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: damaging to our economy and our daily comforts, our way 509 00:32:54,800 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: of life as the ports. Most people don't and why 510 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 1: would you think very often about how many of your 511 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: daily goods come through the port, and not only the 512 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: daily consumables at the consumer level retail products. Those of 513 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: you who tried to build a house after COVID, remember 514 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: how that went. Where the door that you had planned 515 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: to install you couldn't get in. They couldn't install the door, 516 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: so you couldn't move into the house. They couldn't install 517 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: any of the doors because the doors were tied up 518 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,959 Speaker 1: from where they were coming from. Remember that you couldn't 519 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: get the locks because the components for the locks weren't here. 520 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: How many people couldn't conduct their business because they couldn't 521 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: get the supplies they use to repair, build, manufacture, replace products. Yeah, 522 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: go ahead and have the strike. Let's do this, Let's 523 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: do this. Let's cost the country four and a half 524 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: billion dollars. They're saying three point eight four and a 525 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: half bion dollars a day. Let's do it. Let's let 526 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: it run for a while, because when that's over. When 527 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: when that is over, the union will be busted. The 528 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: public will have turned against them. Those members of the 529 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: union will go and find other jobs where they're not 530 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 1: put through this hell. How many people I've heard from 531 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 1: from longshoremen that are telling me they don't want to 532 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: go on strike because they're not it's going to it's 533 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:33,359 Speaker 1: gonna crush them.