1 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 1: All right, Bob, thank you so much for being here 2 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: and spending this moment on that moment with me. So 3 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: I want to I want to hop right into it. Barb. 4 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: You know at an age it's been published already. You 5 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,319 Speaker 1: know your boyfriend or whatever left you secretary. You've bought 6 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: a thousand dollars and you turned it into it. And 7 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: that's what I always say, you turned it into a 8 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: really big exit. 9 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 2: Well, it was twenty three when I started the Corcoran Group, 10 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 2: or the corkorand Simone company was my first business, and 11 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 2: I was twenty nine when you married my secretary. By 12 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 2: the way, Damon, John, it's a pleasure to be here. 13 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 2: You're my favorite shark. I think you're so handsome and 14 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 2: brilliant and I was really excited to talk with you today. 15 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 2: You didn't give me a chance to say thank you 16 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: for letting me come. 17 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: That is impressive because I know that I am your 18 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: paper strick. I do know that, but all the rest 19 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: of that you have very a great way of people 20 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: either making people either feel like shit or feeling special. 21 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 3: So yes, it's so true. 22 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 2: But you're always in the good category. 23 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: Nine, Barb. What you're at the point of twenty nine 24 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: years old, where I would think, like most self the 25 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: women that I met there, saying I have to really 26 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: start considering what I'm gonna do over the next five years, 27 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: because I want to probably be most likely be a 28 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: mother man that I have he left me. What was 29 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: going on in your mind that made you feel like 30 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: you can do this? You can start your own business 31 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: against those type of odds. I know you came from 32 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: a family of two thousand kids. 33 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 2: Are you exaggerated? My dear ten kids seems like nothing 34 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 2: by comparison. 35 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: Listen, people don't know. Barbara did not grow up with 36 00:01:58,760 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: a lot. You just grew up with a lot of 37 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: that's all. She had a lot of. And that's not 38 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: easy at that time. Even till today, women still get 39 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: the short end of the stick. But at that time, 40 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: you really got the short end of the stick, being 41 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: one of ten being left and more and more importantly, 42 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 1: being insulted by being left by for somebody else that 43 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: worked for you. What was going through your mind at 44 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: that moment? Why would you decide to no, you know what, 45 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to go out and conquer the world. Why 46 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: and we'll go on through your mind? 47 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 2: Do you make me sound a lot better and stronger 48 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 2: than I actually was, And thank you for having that confidence. 49 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 2: But I did not own that confidence myself at the time. 50 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,399 Speaker 2: All I had in my mind was is she prettier 51 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 2: than me? 52 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 3: And she was. 53 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,119 Speaker 2: She was five years younger than me. He was ten 54 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 2: years older than me, so he was fifteen years her senior, 55 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 2: ten years my senior. And she was a lot prettier 56 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 2: than me and more charming. And that's the part that 57 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 2: bugged me. I wasn't thinking about business, I wasn't thinking 58 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 2: about children. I was just thinking, why would you pick 59 00:02:58,880 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 2: her over me? 60 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 3: And I was heartbroken and it blew my confidence. 61 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 2: I really didn't have confidence for about a year until 62 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 2: I just got mad enough. And it happened one day 63 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: when I went in the office. I saw them holding 64 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 2: hands in my old office, and she took my desk 65 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 2: his idea, and they're giggling and looking at each other 66 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 2: lovingly and hugging each other. 67 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: When I hear he left you for your secretary, it's 68 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: not just like he left and ran off. He kicked 69 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: you out or you left. 70 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,679 Speaker 2: No, he left me as my boyfriend, h but not 71 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 2: as my partner. And he wouldn't let me fire the 72 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 2: secretary because he said he was the majority owner, which 73 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 2: he was. He on fifty one percent and he was 74 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 2: in charge. And so I lived with the two of 75 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 2: them for a year, watching the happiness. When I couldn't 76 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 2: find a man to marry fast enough. 77 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: Why did you stay? Was it because you didn't have 78 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: any other options to leave? You weren't confident enough? Like 79 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: I think that if you listen to that story, knowing 80 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: the Barbara Corker now who's super successful, you would say, 81 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: a man right there in front of you, who's your boyfriend, 82 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: marries your secretary. You guys are still partners, and you 83 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: didn't spit in his face or leave. What's wrong with you? 84 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 2: There's a lot wrong with me. And the main thing 85 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: was remember he had found me at a diner. He 86 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 2: told me I could make something of myself, which I 87 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,359 Speaker 2: didn't know. He loaned me the thousand dollars to start 88 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 2: the business. He believed in me. He took me out 89 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 2: of my hometown of Edgewater into the big city. He 90 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 2: made me a success or. As I saw it, he 91 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 2: made me the success I was already very young, and 92 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 2: I thought I would be nothing without him. So it's 93 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 2: easy to say, kick up your heels and get the 94 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 2: hell out of there. But it's something else to gather 95 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 2: your skirts about you and get your confidence under you 96 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 2: and walk out the door. I did not have that confidence, 97 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 2: and I'm ashamed it took me a whole year. But 98 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 2: at least I got to the point one year later 99 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 2: of walking in one day and saying, we're ending this 100 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 2: business today. At least I got to the point where 101 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 2: I walked in one day and took control of the circumstance. 102 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 2: Maybe a little late, maybe a year after a lot 103 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 2: of broken hearts and tears, but at least I got there. 104 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 2: And once I did, I worked like lightning speed to 105 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: get rid of him, the company, chop up the company, 106 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 2: get rid of the girlfriend, and start all over again. 107 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 2: Maybe I just need a little runway space. 108 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if 109 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: it took too long, you said, because the question of 110 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 1: that moment is did he see more in you in 111 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 1: the beginning when you were that waitress and he knew that, 112 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: whether he had his skill or not, he knew that 113 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: you were kind of look right, and you were it 114 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: was inevitable that you were going to be successful if 115 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 1: somebody gave you a little bit more direction. But maybe 116 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: he just gave you direction and sped up that success 117 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: in one year or five years instead of ten. But 118 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: a lot of people are in relationships, business relationships and 119 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: personal relationships where they feel dependent on somebody else because 120 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: that person happened to be the first or your mother, 121 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: I'm sure and your family always have been supported, but 122 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: that person was the extern and personal person. Oh, I 123 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: believe in you, but you already great. 124 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 2: You say that you didn't know me then. I wasn't 125 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 2: so great. I was a poor student in school, much 126 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 2: like you. 127 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 3: Damon. 128 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 2: I had never had a success ever in my life, 129 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 2: and suddenly this great, cool guy ten years my senior 130 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 2: shows me the way in life. 131 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: I mean, he saw something in you, he saw the 132 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: He saw something in you to not only see There 133 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: is the thing about a person coming into your life 134 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: saying I like you be my girlfriend. There's a difference 135 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: of I like you be my girlfriend and let's start 136 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: a business together, because that's how much I believe you. 137 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: That's night and day. Because if you would already believe 138 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: that he was such a great person, then you would 139 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: have been with him any way. You just would have 140 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: been maybe working another restaurant, but in a bigger city. 141 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 2: Consider this possibility. Let's say he looked at me as 142 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 2: that cute little waitress with the pigtails, the bows on 143 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 2: my thing, beautiful white version behind the counter, and said 144 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 2: to himself, I bet she's great in bed, and maybe 145 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 2: I was. And then eventually he said, you know what, 146 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 2: if I want to keep this check, I better. 147 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 3: Give her some money and start a business. 148 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: Maybe because I know that you weren't great in bed, 149 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: he talked, sod. 150 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 3: You remember that night? Thank god? I thought you. 151 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: Forgot about it. So I'll see you in court, mister. 152 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: But what do you think it was? I'm gonna get 153 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: this interview. I promised we're gonna get through this interview. 154 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 3: Without a lawsuit. 155 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: I doubt it, Okay, what was what? What was it 156 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: then that he saw on you? As you reflect on that, 157 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: and let me ask. 158 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 2: Something your interview, I'm the wrong person you ought to 159 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 2: have Ramon Simone on your show. 160 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: Do you remember in part what he with you? What 161 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: was the song at that moment that you healed yourself 162 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: listen to a thousand times? 163 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 2: Do you remember I don't remember hearing a song. I 164 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 2: just remember working endless hours to hide myself in my work, 165 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 2: so I wouldn't have to feel the pain. 166 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 3: That's all. I recall. I had my own song. 167 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 2: You could do it, Barbie Dolling, you could do it, 168 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: You could do. 169 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 3: I don't remember the song. I don't even think I 170 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 3: had the radio one. For God's sake. All right, you 171 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 3: could take subjects. 172 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 2: But let me just take a guess at what was 173 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 2: in his head when he suggested I have a thousand 174 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 2: dollars to start my business or our business. I just 175 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 2: remember him saying, you have a fabulous personality, you'd be 176 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 2: great in real estate sales. Why don't you start a business. 177 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 2: It was as quick, an instant and impressionable as that, 178 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 2: And I said, sure, why not? I try to anything else. 179 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 2: I've had twenty two other jobs. I'll give that a shot. 180 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 2: What the heck? I was more surprised than he was 181 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 2: when I found out I was good at it. And 182 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 2: it wasn't as though I was good at real estate. 183 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 2: I'm still not even good at it. I don't really 184 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 2: I'm not that interested in real estate and really never 185 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 2: have been. But what I'm really interested is people. And 186 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 2: from the get go I was so good with the 187 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 2: few people we hired and I think that's what got 188 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 2: the whole shooting match going rolling in the right direction. 189 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: Was that something? Were you in the twenty two jobs? 190 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: Were you good as a waitress? Were you good as 191 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 1: various that they did? You make more money, you have 192 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 1: more return customers, better tips, and various things as. 193 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 2: I always made money as a waitress. I always made 194 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 2: money in any kind of sales front forward, dealing with 195 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 2: people position because I really love people, even the bad 196 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 2: moons I love and I get a kick out of them. 197 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 3: And so when you naturally like people, you tend to 198 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 3: do well with them. 199 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: You and I were both dyslexic. I think that a 200 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 1: lot of people don't realize. I think it was eight 201 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: of the twelve shots of the lex say view myself, 202 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: keln O'larry, Richard Branson, I think Rohan and various others, 203 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: but this you have this ability to cut straight through 204 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: to the core of something and either extract some value 205 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: from somebody like the money doing the photo shoot I've 206 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: seen a million times, and you just say some crazy 207 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 1: stuff to bring some joy out of them and make 208 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 1: them the most pleasing thing. And where does this kind 209 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: of tunnel vision on what to extract where does this 210 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: come from? Because I always tell people I'm on trick pony. 211 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: I get something and I licensed it. I put it 212 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: on the star, I said. Barbara is the most brilliant 213 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: marketing person I've ever met in my life because she 214 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: can come out with she could think of she could 215 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: think of things out of the air, like hey, EO, 216 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: or whatever's coming to town, I'm going to take them 217 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: through the sewers of New York City. 218 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 4: I'm gonna or Hey, you know you're smart, you know 219 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 4: you're here, I can do something to make you smart, 220 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 4: get that best shot out of you, or even when 221 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 4: people think it's an insult and it's not, it's that 222 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 4: what guys, I love the way that look. 223 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:04,959 Speaker 1: I know, you saw a barbecue stuff. Would you look 224 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: like a pig? And the guy looked like a pig? 225 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 3: That was pretty obvious. He looked like a pig, but 226 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 3: a cute one. 227 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: But do you realize that gift of yours or it 228 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: just is so natural but you seem to home in 229 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: on it. Do you realize that's a gift or not? 230 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 2: It's my secret sauce. I stole it from my mother. 231 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 2: What my mother could do better than anyone I have 232 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 2: ever met. My life is size people up, and that 233 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 2: sized people. I'll be careful of this guy, don't trust him. 234 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 2: She had that too, But she could look somebody talk 235 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 2: two minutes and say, it's too bad they never went 236 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 2: into the field of such and such. They'd be great 237 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 2: at it, like how do you know you've never been 238 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 2: in business. But she knew it's too bad. That little 239 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 2: boy is so sad. If only the mother had gotten 240 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 2: him in the playground, he would be great at sports 241 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 2: and find his confidence. Eddie, her husband, Eddie, take him 242 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 2: to the playground, Take that kid with you. She was 243 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 2: always great at putting her finger on what the gift 244 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 2: of everybody that he was and blowing it up. Now, 245 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 2: about making people to your reference a moment ago, about 246 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 2: making people comfortable and bringing out the best in people. 247 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 2: I can also intuitively feel people's insecurity always right away, 248 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 2: So on a photo shoot or something, I know how 249 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 2: to get around people to make them relax because I 250 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 2: know what they're worried about, and I know how to 251 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 2: shore them up and get them relaxed right away, And 252 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 2: then the whole thing works for everybody. 253 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 3: It's such so much more fun all the way around. 254 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: Right it is until, as you have said yourself, it 255 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: is until you stick your foot in your mouth. Because 256 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:39,319 Speaker 1: been very loose and very fun with people, and sometimes 257 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: even though you make a mistake at the moment and 258 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: you even make it as fun, let's all enjoy it. 259 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: And hey, I'm the one that put in my mouth? 260 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: How do you do that too? Because we're in a 261 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: world where everybody gets offended so easily, and you tend 262 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: to not care because you know you're coming at it 263 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: from a good place, and you say things all this 264 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: and that you go, oh, my silly self whatever, like 265 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: how do people even how do you do that? Was 266 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: that something you had to learn and that was national 267 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: as well? 268 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 2: No, that's just an attempt to have fun. However, I 269 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:14,959 Speaker 2: have a cautionary bone in me. 270 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 3: In social media. You cannot do that. You cannot be 271 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 3: yourself in social media. 272 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 2: I edit myself before I open my mouth on social 273 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 2: media post anything, because I realized the danger of that loose, 274 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 2: lucidness that I have wouldn't be well received by maybe 275 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 2: a minority of the people who are watching or listening. 276 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:36,959 Speaker 2: But nonetheless, you get buried with that stuff. So I'm 277 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 2: very careful on social media, but on a one on 278 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 2: one relationship in a crowd out of work, kidding around. 279 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 2: You get a chance to go around once, you might 280 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 2: as well have the most fun going around, don't you think. 281 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 2: And you're a good sport and most people are good sports. 282 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 2: They love to play. We're all children at heart, and 283 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 2: we're dying to have a good laugh, don't you think. 284 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 1: I think so that's why we enjoy you tell this 285 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 1: so much. So now all of a sudden, your career 286 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: are going and you're a career woman, and I know this. 287 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: I want you to share the story of when you 288 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: had your first child you scheduled to have You just 289 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: went in and you made it almost like a meeting 290 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: right to have your first child. Can you tell me 291 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: the story of that. 292 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 2: I was married to my first husband and I talked 293 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 2: into taking me down the aisle trying to beat my 294 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 2: boyfriend and his girlfriend down the aisle. He won by 295 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 2: two months. So I dragged this poor innocent guy from 296 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 2: California down the aisle, married the guy, and then within 297 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 2: a year I realized it was a big mistake. It 298 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 2: was a consummate marry on the rebound fastest story. But anyway, 299 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 2: he wanted to have children in the meanest way, and 300 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 2: I never got pregnant. For seven years, I never got pregnant. 301 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 2: Thing to dodge that bullet. But when I married my 302 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 2: husband Bill, I was a dog in heat and I 303 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 2: wanted to have children right away and I couldn't have them. 304 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 2: And I forgot to tell you one little anecdote that 305 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 2: you might find amusing with my first husband. My first 306 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 2: husband was from California. Everything about him was like an 307 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 2: old man. He smoked a pipe, he moved slow, he 308 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 2: talked slow, he thought slow. He was smart and anyway, 309 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 2: I was convinced when we didn't have children after a 310 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 2: few years, I said, the problem with you is your 311 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 2: sperm and slow. I think you had to go to 312 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 2: a doctor and check out your sperm. I think they're 313 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 2: not good swimmers. And he came back for the doctor. 314 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 3: And said, uh ah. The doctor said, I'm fine. It 315 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 3: must be you and will and behold it was me. 316 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 2: I subsequently left him, thinking I had dodge a bullet 317 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 2: not having children, because that marries you to someone for life. 318 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 2: I feel in a weird way. And when I married 319 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 2: my husband, Bill, who I married thirty five years ago, 320 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 2: I was dying to have kids and Bill had already 321 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 2: had kids, but he wanted to have kids with me. 322 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 2: So I started seven years of in vitro to have children. 323 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 2: Thank god, it finally worked. It finally worked, and I 324 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 2: gave birth to my son Tom. But by then I 325 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 2: was forty six, a little too late to have ten kids, 326 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 2: I think. But then ten years later I adopted, of course, Katie, 327 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 2: when I was fifty six, So I wound up with 328 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 2: two children. I wish I had eight or ten or twelve, 329 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 2: but at least I have two, and I'm thankful for that. 330 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: Now, Now, do you think that it was? It was it? 331 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: I guess it was because you really didn't love the 332 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: guy as much. You didn't want children from him. But 333 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: what was your career, because at that time the Corkman 334 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: group you were probably it was all the size of 335 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: the business at that time when you were forty years 336 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: How many employees did you have one? Indeed, do I probably. 337 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 2: Had maybe two hundred and fifty three hundred employees when 338 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 2: I married my first husband, and then when I married 339 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 2: my second husband, I probably had five six hundred employees. 340 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 3: And so for all the working parts I was working for. 341 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: Your listening to you right now, were you with the 342 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: wrong person for the wrong reasons, or was it because 343 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: you just felt you were growing your business at two 344 00:16:58,160 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: hundred you didn't get to five one. You didn't know 345 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: you let me get to five hundred, but you were 346 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 1: just so consumed with business. What was the reason why 347 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,479 Speaker 1: you didn't want to have children then? And then all 348 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: of a sudden would bill you want to have children? 349 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 3: You know what? 350 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 2: It was false confidence. My mother had ten kids. My 351 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 2: sisters had three, four or five kids each. They had 352 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 2: kids like rabbits when they want to have children, they 353 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 2: popped a few out. 354 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 3: I figured, being the daughter of. 355 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 2: My mother and father, I would be able to have 356 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 2: as many kids as I want, as late as I want. 357 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 2: I had full security, all right. But it wasn't until 358 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 2: I got near forty three, forty four, forty five that 359 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 2: I started thinking maybe I would never have children. That's 360 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 2: why it seemed like a miracle when I did. But 361 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 2: I'm not sure I really answered your question on that one. 362 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 3: Did I marry the wrong guy? Yes? 363 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 2: I did the first time, but he served a purpose. 364 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 2: He brought me over troubled waters when that was a 365 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 2: song out then that I remember bridge over troubled Waters, 366 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 2: and I would always think he took me away from 367 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 2: the boyfriend that left me, and he comforted me. He 368 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 2: was so kind hearted and took care of me and 369 00:17:59,359 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 2: mended me. 370 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 3: Really lovely man. 371 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 2: Except it wasn't the kind of thing that could be 372 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 2: a life partner. Wasn't for me until I met Bill, 373 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 2: and I was crazy enough to sign up for that guy. 374 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I should have gone to a psychiatrist 375 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 2: and had my head examined. 376 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 3: It was a. 377 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 2: Challenge of a lifetime compared to my first husband. But 378 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 2: I guess I like challenges. But I guess I like 379 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 2: challenges because I liked Billing an awful lot. 380 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: I think Bridgel the Trouble Water is a perfect song 381 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: because when I was first coming up and food was starting, 382 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: and as Cuban would saying, girls to say is fool 383 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 1: or me? I was like, I forgot what was your name? Again? 384 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: But I met the spicy woman who was just really great. 385 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: And I was at the time of my life when 386 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: I was risking everything. I was already what I felt 387 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: very similar to you. I was twenty six, twenty seven 388 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: years old. I was proud to say that I wasn't 389 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: one of the young men who had babies under age. 390 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: I was being very careful with what I was doing. 391 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: I had everything at risk, and the last thing I 392 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: needed to do was get married and or have children. 393 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: When I have a thing called food within me. Actually, 394 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: after eight years of putting everything in, I may see 395 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: some light and then all of a sudden, I have 396 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: to have this woman. I have to have children with her. 397 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: I mean that healthy, not healthy. It's a little bit 398 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: of a balance on what life, on what God puts 399 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: in your way. Or that's why I'm going to say it. 400 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: But so now all of a sudden, it's interesting. You 401 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: probably have told the story of giving percentage away to 402 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: a great worker of yours who helped scale the business. 403 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: You scale the business when you sold the company the business? 404 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: Were you excited about selling it? What was your reasoning? 405 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: Did you get the number you wanted? You got a 406 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: number that surpassed it? What you have drive afterwards? I'm 407 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: just curious because they say that about one third of 408 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: people die five years after retiring or sell their business. 409 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 3: Mode, Oh, sell them the business after you're retiring. It's 410 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 3: a different ages. 411 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 1: We're selling their business. Now. The stat could be skewed 412 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: because they could have been sick and that's why they 413 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: sold but they could. They've also said that there was 414 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: no drive and you start drinking, or you don't have purpose. 415 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: How did you feel after selling the business and what 416 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: was it? What did you feel like that moment when 417 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 1: you either got that check or got that wire? How 418 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: did you feel that moment? Were you scared? Were you're happy? 419 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: Were you confused? 420 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 2: It was chopped? The decision to sell my business was 421 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 2: so simple. It was like adding one in one equals 422 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 2: to I was adding up the numbers one night, studying 423 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 2: my market share as against my competition. I've been creeping 424 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 2: up the ranks. 425 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: I was the. 426 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 2: Lowest on the total pole, and then I was number seven. 427 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 2: Then I was number six, and number three, the number two, 428 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 2: and I was breathing right down the biggest competitor's neck, 429 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 2: which was Douglas Sell thement at the time. 430 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. 431 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,479 Speaker 2: And then one night I did the numbers with my partner, Esther, 432 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 2: who was my ten percent partner. We added them up 433 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 2: and clear as a bell, we were number one, and 434 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 2: I said, let's sell this joint. 435 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 3: Oh he was like what, and I said, yeah, I 436 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 3: reached my goal and the number one broke in New York. 437 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 3: What am I going to work for let's sell this joint. 438 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 3: She goes, how are you going to do that? I said, 439 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 3: we'll figure it out. We both went home that night. 440 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 2: The next morning made a few phone calls, and within 441 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 2: about three months this shop was sold. It was quick, fast, 442 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 2: and furious about the purchase price, which was I think 443 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 2: the more interesting. 444 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 3: Part of the story. 445 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 2: When I got my first offer from the loan buyer, 446 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 2: they offered me twenty two million dollars, and I was 447 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 2: on a chair going up to a ski run with 448 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 2: my brother. 449 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 3: My younger brother said. 450 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 2: I just got a twenty two million dollar He said, 451 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 2: what did you tell them? He said, twenty Do you 452 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 2: know what. 453 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 3: Twenty two million dollars is war? Could you imagine twenty 454 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 3: two million dollars? Twenty two million dollars? 455 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 2: We were the richest people in that chair lift in 456 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 2: the world, even though we didn't have our money on 457 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 2: the twenty two and I said, yeah. I told them 458 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 2: I'll take sixty six. He said why sixty six? I said, 459 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 2: it's my lucky number. And Sunday they eventually paid sixty six. 460 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 2: A month later, they kept upping it. I kept firm 461 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 2: until they hit sixty six. I said, I'll take it, 462 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 2: but I had a little a good luck and bad 463 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 2: luck rolled into one. So far it was all great. 464 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 2: And then I sold the contract Friday night before nine 465 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 2: to eleven. I remember my new CEO where I had 466 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 2: put in place, called me and said it's eleven thirty. 467 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 2: All the attorneys and accounts have to go home, will 468 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,959 Speaker 2: resume on Monday. And I am the nicest, easiest going boss, 469 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 2: and I said to her, nobody's going home to that 470 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 2: deal is done. 471 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 3: She was in. 472 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 2: Westchester County and she said, no, well, just we'll we 473 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 2: all clear our calendars first thing Monday morning. I said, no, 474 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 2: sign it tonight. Nobody goes home till its signed. And 475 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 2: they worked till one in the morning, got it signed, 476 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 2: and on Monday, nine to eleven happened. 477 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: Wow, boy was that. 478 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 2: Lucky that I got that. But unfortunately that first week 479 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 2: no one would return my phone call. The acquired disappeared 480 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 2: off the face of the earth, such silence, and I 481 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 2: realized the deal was never going to close. It was 482 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 2: just never going to happen. And I went and visited 483 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 2: him and closed the deal. I want to tell you 484 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 2: the details on that, but I closed the deal, and 485 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 2: thank god I got the sixty six million dollars about 486 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 2: two weeks after nine to eleven. But you asked me 487 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 2: another I think I dropped pc a question. 488 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: What was something that's amazing? And now all of a 489 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: sudden because I think one of the top questions that 490 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: I'm asked, and I'm sure you are the same thing. 491 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: Two or three ways work like balance. But then people 492 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: like when do I take in an investor? And how 493 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 1: do I know when it's time to sell? And that's 494 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: all very personal matter to people, each individual. It sounded 495 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: like you're you had two personal things. You had number one. 496 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: We're number one, so I'm done, let's get it over 497 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: with because you wanted to prove something to somebody, whether 498 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: it's yourself or the world. 499 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 3: I reached my goal. What was that going to work on? 500 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: I don't know, because other people say, now that I've 501 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: reached this level of success and I'm so happy and 502 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: I'm pulling money. I mean, you may have been pulling 503 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: money out of business. They go, what am I going 504 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:07,880 Speaker 1: to do after? Because this is all I know how 505 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: to do. But then you also had another number too. 506 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: You had number one and you had sixty six, and 507 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: that they both met. It sounds like you exited what 508 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: happens next that you have this money, because you're a 509 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: very active person, were you able to shift this into 510 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: the things you love buying privately? I'm sure you had 511 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 1: to non non compete or did you sit around and go, 512 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: what the hell am I going to do? Now? I'm 513 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: trying to understand what did that? After you got that check? 514 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: How did you feel for the next six months. 515 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 2: I'll tell you how it felt immediately, and then how 516 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,959 Speaker 2: it felt one week later. How it felt immediately was 517 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,919 Speaker 2: like the Catholic miracle. My mother always told us we 518 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 2: would get if we were really good kids, like it 519 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 2: finally happened. Catholic miracle happened. And the morning after actually 520 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 2: not Saturday morning, Monday morning, with nine to eleven, I 521 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 2: went to the City Bank, which was still open, and 522 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 2: I got a check, not a check. I got my 523 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 2: little cash card for two hundred dollars. I always got 524 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 2: two hundred dollars every Monday. And when I went to 525 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 2: chit and gave me my receipt, it said I had 526 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 2: sixty six million dollars in my. 527 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 3: Account, my chicking account. 528 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 2: I was like, ah, it was such a thrill. And 529 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 2: every time I go to the City bank, machine still 530 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 2: the same one. I would never change machines. Now I 531 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 2: get that same not the same thrill, but I live 532 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 2: it like groundhog Day again, you know the here Okay, 533 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 2: So that was ecstatically unbelievable to me. However, then by 534 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 2: the middle of the week, I knew exactly. 535 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 3: What I wanted to do. 536 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 2: I wanted to do all the things I never had 537 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 2: time to do. And I signed up for an Italian 538 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 2: cooking guess and I took my first class and realized 539 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:48,479 Speaker 2: that wasn't going to do it. 540 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 3: I better find something else to do. 541 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: Oh what to say? You can cook? Because you know 542 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be a house to dinner. 543 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 2: You keep that story to yourself for a change, please, 544 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 2: okay tell it. 545 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: No, I won't tell it. I won't tell it. 546 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 3: I made up for it. 547 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 2: I've made some good meals for you, damon, John. And 548 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 2: you know, ever since that bad. 549 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: One, it's not that you made a bad meal. You 550 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: didn't make anything. You didn't make ship. You was nothing there, Barbara, Barbara, 551 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: a little pack where you got a little bit of this, 552 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: a little bit of protein, and whatever it was. I 553 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,400 Speaker 1: had to go down. My wife and I are stomachs 554 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: of growling. Your dogs growling and me, I think, because 555 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: you thought the dog was in the room, We're going 556 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: down and says we had to eat street meat and 557 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,360 Speaker 1: then come back upstairs. 558 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 3: I knew you were gonna tell it. I knew you 559 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 3: couldn't resist. God, I remember. 560 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: That obviously you take cooking. What else did you do 561 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: after that? 562 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 2: I got depressed. I honestly got depressed for the first 563 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 2: time in my life. I never felt like a depressed 564 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,400 Speaker 2: person or that type. But I don't know who I was. 565 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 2: I didn't know where I was going. I it's terribly 566 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 2: my team of brokers at the corporate Group. I had 567 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 2: hired every one of those thousand brokers when I sold 568 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 2: the business. I knew them, I knew their family. I 569 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 2: love them, even on a bad day, I love them. 570 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, I had nobody. I had 571 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 2: made my kitchen, and my husband and my dog. Yeah, 572 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 2: and you know what, I couldn't find the challenge, the excitement, 573 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 2: the curiosity, the creativity, all the things that are involved 574 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 2: in building a business for all of us. I couldn't 575 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,479 Speaker 2: find any of that in my kitchen. 576 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 3: Wasn't there. 577 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: I just said, five hundred people, let's say each one 578 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 1: is making a deal a week. You got, you got wires, 579 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: you got, you gotta travel. You you're fighting other competitors. 580 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: That's super fat. That's my point, right, it's super fast faced. 581 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: Now all of a sudden, Okay, the money's great, right, 582 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 1: one hundred percent. If you're smart, you're not blowing at all. 583 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: So then now a sudden, it just goes from one 584 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: hundred miles an hour to five. 585 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 3: Zero zero miles an hour. 586 00:27:59,600 --> 00:27:59,959 Speaker 1: What do you do? 587 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 3: I got depressed. I didn't know what to do. 588 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: How long did that take? Bar? 589 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 2: You know what I did? Though I have I'm a 590 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 2: great logical thinker. A couple of weeks later, I sat 591 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 2: down with my big yellowpad, put the line down the middle, 592 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 2: and I put down on the left side everything I 593 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 2: loved to do and work, and on the right side 594 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 2: everything I hated to do and work what I never 595 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 2: liked doing. And I looked at the column and kept 596 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 2: staring at the column I loved to do. And I 597 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 2: asked myself what occupations could I do that would use 598 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 2: up those gifts that I had? 599 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 3: And I came up with two things. 600 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 2: Start a public relations company because I was so good 601 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 2: at it, or start a marketing company because I was 602 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 2: so good at it. But then I realized both of 603 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 2: those businesses wouldn't give me the attention that I was 604 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 2: accustomed to. And the third thing on the list was 605 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 2: going to the TV business, and that's why I decided 606 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,959 Speaker 2: to let that one win, and I started going to 607 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 2: the studios and trying to get a job as a 608 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 2: real estate expert because I was, and the Today Show 609 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 2: hired me for one day a week, and that was 610 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 2: the beginning of my new career. I made it sound emzy. 611 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 2: That effort took probably five hundred rejections. My Rolodex was 612 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 2: useless to me and one yes, thank god, one yes finally, Yeah. 613 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: I don't think people take what you just said as 614 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: serious as it's just I want. I remember when I 615 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 1: was first working with the Kardashians and I was at 616 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: dinner with Kim and I said, what do you want 617 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,719 Speaker 1: to do? She said, I want to be famous, just 618 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: like that. Wow, she said, I want to be famous, 619 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: and we were told me, I think she's at Reggie 620 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: by far. Yeah, and she said something like any aspect 621 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: of my life I'm going to show a social media 622 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 1: just coming out, and she was like, like me and Reggie. 623 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: We kissed publicly we do. I'm a very private person 624 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: when it comes to those matters. And she said I 625 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: want to be famous, and I think that was she 626 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,239 Speaker 1: was focused enough on what she really wanted. A lot 627 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: of people want fame and or it's easy to say 628 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: I want to be successful because they can go, hey, 629 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: I want to be successful. I want to take care 630 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: of my family. Everybody can relate to that for some 631 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: way to say, like you just said, it wasn't giving 632 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: me the attention that I wanted or needed. Very there's 633 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: not a lot of people you may say I want 634 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: to be a singer because. 635 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 3: I want to make everybody happiest. 636 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: Saying for a few people like maybe Kim or like 637 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: you would say I want attention. Now, that's extremely powerful 638 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: and that's knowing your why. And I was able to 639 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: get you to take all the other things out of 640 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: the way. Uh, PR this and that, I don't even 641 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 1: know PR. I want to be the one that they're 642 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: talking about. 643 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 3: I want to be the star. 644 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: Was that because you was that? Because you came up 645 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: with a family of ten where you needed the attention. 646 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: You very clear and it's easy to say, listen, out 647 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 1: of ten kids, the one who makes the funniest jokes 648 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: or the one who does stand on their head gets attend. 649 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: What what during that moment when you drew that pad? 650 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: What during that moment made you really you were blatantly 651 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: honest with yourself. What made you go there and be 652 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: able to even say it to people? 653 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 3: I don't know about saying it to people, but I 654 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 3: was in touch with. 655 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 2: My feelings when I was working my after school jobs. 656 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 2: Since I was very young, I always knew how to grandstand. 657 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 2: I always knew how to get attention whatever I went, 658 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 2: because I really needed it. When I was at the 659 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 2: Corcoran group, most people would say having an empire and 660 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 2: having so many people working for you and having a 661 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 2: brand that's well known was great. That wasn't what I 662 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 2: found great. What I found great was the reporters calling 663 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 2: me every day and asking my opinion. 664 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 3: That was attention. I loved it. 665 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 2: When I saw my name in print quoted, that was attention. 666 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 2: And I'm sure, and stem back to my mother and 667 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 2: father having those two they had to share their attention 668 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 2: with ten kids. I'm sure I had a deficit. If 669 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 2: I had seen a shrink, I probably wouldn't have been 670 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 2: successful because I probably would have gotten known my need 671 00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:00,479 Speaker 2: for attention, but I didn't, and therefore I kept on 672 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 2: that path. How do I get more attention? How do 673 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 2: I grandstand? How do I get all eyes on me? 674 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 3: I need to have them on me. It's really a. 675 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 2: Sick o situation, isn't it, And not the healthiest stance 676 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 2: for anybody. But nonetheless, that's who I was, and that's 677 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 2: the race I ran and won. 678 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: What do you think they'll barber about that? When you 679 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: see other people as you and your mother had a 680 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: great gift, do you think that not being honest with 681 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: ourselves is probably one of the biggest traps that we 682 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: have that we end up not living a proofful life 683 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: because you're very honest with yourself. Do you see that 684 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: in other people? They're just not honest with themselves. 685 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 4: No. 686 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 2: You know what I think is a much more damaging 687 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 2: thing that happens with a lot of people, happened with me. 688 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 2: I was an exem from it is you can't shake 689 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 2: the old tape setter in your head. Whatever you used 690 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 2: to be as a kid, whatever your insecurities are, whatever 691 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 2: stops you, whatever you second guess, it's so ingrained because 692 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 2: it came up. It's your child to a friend that 693 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 2: came up the ranks with you, and to change that 694 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 2: tape is very difficult. I know, and you would know 695 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 2: as well as I know. 696 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 3: How hard is. 697 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 2: It to shake a tape in your head that you're 698 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 2: a dumb kid? Okay when you're in school, defined as 699 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 2: a dumb kid you can't read or write laughing at you. 700 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 2: You don't shake that so easily. We turn it into 701 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 2: our advantage because we're proving the world. 702 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 3: I know it's a YouTube. 703 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 2: Damon as well as as me, proven the world you're 704 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 2: not stupid, you're successful, you could do what you want 705 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 2: to do. I'm still proving it. But I think shaking 706 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 2: out that tape, getting rid of it, and trying to 707 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 2: bust through it and just be a new you and 708 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 2: ignore that old, dirty tape. I think it's the biggest 709 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 2: challenge for most of us. It has been for me. 710 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 2: It still creeps in my insecure moments. Not that I'm 711 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 2: afraid of being poor or going backwards in that way, 712 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 2: because I could always get a job as a waitress. 713 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 2: I'm a great waitress, but just the idea that believing 714 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 2: in the way you used to define yourself, you've got 715 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 2: to get rid of that shit if you're going to 716 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 2: move forward, and I've been successful in doing that, and 717 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 2: I think it's very hard. 718 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 3: For people to get rid of it. It takes a 719 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 3: lot of practice. 720 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 2: You won't believe the tape in my head that kicks 721 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,720 Speaker 2: in now and I'm insecure. Used to be, Oh Barbia, 722 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 2: shouldn't be. You shouldn't have really tried it so important. 723 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 2: That guy's not worth your time. Don't ask for anything 724 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 2: you'll find back at the office. 725 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 3: You could do this. 726 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 2: I used to like back off and things. I wanted 727 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 2: to be a killer on and ride the horse and 728 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 2: slay the dragon out, back off, back off. 729 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: No. 730 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 3: Then I have a great tape. 731 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,280 Speaker 2: It says you are hot shit, you are good looking, 732 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 2: you are brilliant, you are wonderful, you. 733 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 3: Are the cats me out. I just loaded up with 734 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 3: all this shit, so there's no room for the old tape. 735 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 2: But I think it takes a lot of practice at 736 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,840 Speaker 2: that to really make it your own. I really do, 737 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 2: And I think it holds a lot of people back. 738 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:44,879 Speaker 2: A lot of people back, a lot of people back, 739 00:34:45,239 --> 00:35:03,760 Speaker 2: people want to be back. There's a lot of practice 740 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 2: at that to really make it your own. I really do, 741 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 2: and I think it holds a lot of people back. 742 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 2: I know the people I've been acquainted with is as friends. 743 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 3: Definitely. 744 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 1: I love the way to say that when people want 745 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,839 Speaker 1: to know their why, instead of going back there wanting 746 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: to go back to who that kid was and say, 747 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: like you said, is a kid who came along with 748 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 1: the journey with you. You never get fully rid of that person, 749 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: or maybe you extract some of the values. Now let's 750 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: go to something. I think there was a very special 751 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: moment that a lot of people don't realize. Things come 752 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: down to a moment. I always say, you're an amazing skier. 753 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 1: I've been told I know that I'll dust you on 754 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: a snowboard, but it's fine. But I'm told that people 755 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 1: practice for four years ago to the Olympics, and they 756 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: will practice over the best people in the world, and 757 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: they will win over milliseconds for four years of practice. Amazing. 758 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,720 Speaker 1: It's the same as it's the same as an opening 759 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 1: of a letter. I realized the other day that I said, 760 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 1: some of my negotiations have gone on for months, when 761 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 1: all I needed to do instead of telling the lawyer 762 00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: of this, and he tells that lawyer that, and she 763 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: tells that lawyer that all I need to write is 764 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: the opening sentence was, here's what I'm trying to accomplish, 765 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: and to accomplished, I make sure that I say I 766 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 1: know you're great, I know you have this, I know 767 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 1: you're trying to complish this. Hey, I'm trying to do 768 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,959 Speaker 1: this with you. You got turned down for to come out 769 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 1: to film Shark Tank, and you wrote a great letter 770 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: and it opened up to Mark Burnette with hey, Mark, 771 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: I heard you took another girl to the dance. 772 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:24,720 Speaker 3: That great line. 773 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: That is an opening and the story. I don't want 774 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 1: to butcher, but basically you you got turned down or 775 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 1: you said that you were you wanted to go out 776 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 1: there to film, and you heard that you were in 777 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,319 Speaker 1: the runnings and you said, yeah, you know, they went. 778 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 2: I signed a contract, they offered me the job. I 779 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 2: signed a contract and federalshing it. 780 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,320 Speaker 1: Tell it really quick. The story. I know this story 781 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 1: was to get into it about that. 782 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 2: They had come back and told me after I signed 783 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,439 Speaker 2: the contract, they had changed your mind. They hired another 784 00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 2: woman from my job, so that could be you. I 785 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 2: signed the contract and they reminded me they didn't countersign 786 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 2: the contract. 787 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's true. 788 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:11,400 Speaker 2: That's true, they called me and consider me a fallback 789 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 2: sometime in the future. That's the kiss of death. That's 790 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 2: like being the ugly sister at a problem right. Who 791 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:16,360 Speaker 2: wants that spot? 792 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: Right? 793 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 2: And then I sat down and wrote your email that 794 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,760 Speaker 2: you just referenced, and that was the first line. I understand, Mark, 795 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,880 Speaker 2: you asked another girl to dance instead of me. I 796 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 2: appreciate being considered a fallback, but I'm much more accustomed 797 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 2: to coming in first. And let me tell you why. 798 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,360 Speaker 2: And I said, all the best things that happened to 799 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,280 Speaker 2: me in my life happened on the heels of rejection. 800 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 2: And I cited Sister Stella Marie telling me I'd be 801 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 2: stupid because I couldn't read right to the Donald himself, 802 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,319 Speaker 2: who wouldn't pay me a penny of the four million 803 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 2: dollars till I beat him in federal court, till all 804 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 2: the old boys networks saying I would never compete with them, 805 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 2: un till he became the number one rival. 806 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,279 Speaker 3: I just cited my mom my five high points. I 807 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 3: guess you'd call it. 808 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 2: And I told him I'd consider coming out, or I'd 809 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 2: like him to consider taking me out to compete for 810 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 2: the seat. I'd be on the plane on Tuesday night, 811 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 2: and that's when you met me. The next day, he 812 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:09,240 Speaker 2: invited me out, and I competed for that seat, and 813 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:10,720 Speaker 2: the rest of it is history. 814 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 1: As they he took the number one seat, and we're 815 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 1: all better for it. How did you have the emotional 816 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,839 Speaker 1: intelligence to write that letter? Without that letter, somebody else 817 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,719 Speaker 1: would have said that email would have went off as 818 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,400 Speaker 1: Barbara is desperate, and look at the great Barbara Corkor 819 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 1: and look at the shit she sent me. 820 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 2: I didn't give a shit what they thought. Honestly, I've 821 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 2: never I gave up on worrying about that back when 822 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,240 Speaker 2: I was in school. Really, you know what, I felt 823 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,879 Speaker 2: like it was written from an attitude of strength, which 824 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 2: it was like, I cannot believe you actually passed me by. 825 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,080 Speaker 2: I was insulted and I was angry, and that's what 826 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 2: got me to write it. And you know what, I 827 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 2: really felt that they were missing the best thing that 828 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 2: could have ever happened. It was sincere and powerful. And 829 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 2: he heard the tone because he said to Charman, if 830 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,840 Speaker 2: you remember Charmon, she was the recruiter of the town. 831 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 2: I don't know if she approached you first. She was 832 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 2: the one who approached me. She called me back and 833 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,279 Speaker 2: she said, I took your email into Mark. I made 834 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 2: a promise to take it in and he said, she's 835 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 2: a real shark. What a better compliment than that, she's 836 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:11,720 Speaker 2: a real shark? 837 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 3: Inviter out? Oh, and of course I got invited out. 838 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 3: Do you know what? 839 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 2: Everything I have a visualized came true? And I had 840 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 2: a picture of me as a shark, and the idea 841 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 2: that it wasn't going to come true didn't make any 842 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,360 Speaker 2: sense to me. It didn't follow the script of my life. 843 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 2: And that's why I stood up to be counted and objected, 844 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,840 Speaker 2: and I did it as a lady, but with a 845 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 2: lot of power as well. I think it was well written. 846 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,080 Speaker 2: I want you to know not to tell Mark Burnett. 847 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 2: I shot it off so fast. I probably rewrote it 848 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:39,399 Speaker 2: seven or eight times to. 849 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 3: Make sure every word counted. 850 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 2: But it looked like it was off the cuff. I 851 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 2: just wrote it off the cup. But it turned the key, 852 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,120 Speaker 2: and that's all that's important. It gave me the opportunity 853 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 2: to meet all these great entrepreneurs, great ones and not 854 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 2: just great ones over all the years. Yeah, and it 855 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 2: created a whole new life of me, a whole new 856 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 2: team of people to surround myself with my own joy 857 00:39:58,160 --> 00:39:59,239 Speaker 2: back r. 858 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 1: But you would think they would with a person that 859 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,360 Speaker 1: has so much success and admiration that you wouldn't have 860 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,880 Speaker 1: to keep fighting like that, even though it's just a 861 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,560 Speaker 1: small fight or a big fight, you wouldn't have to 862 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,319 Speaker 1: prove yourself. And a lot of people think that for 863 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,480 Speaker 1: some reason, they just stop fighting after a while. They 864 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,280 Speaker 1: think they're going to get to a point of Barbara 865 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 1: Corporate and they're gonna have to stop fighting because everybody's 866 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 1: gonna kneel at their feet. What would you say to 867 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:26,000 Speaker 1: people like that, you fight harder today to prove yourself 868 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:30,000 Speaker 1: because people want to bet against you because you are successful. 869 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,319 Speaker 1: Do people just think it comes easy to you or 870 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:37,719 Speaker 1: do people think you just don't need it is? What 871 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,319 Speaker 1: would you say to people who you have to now 872 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:41,799 Speaker 1: say you're always going to fight? 873 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 3: You know what I look at more than winning the fight. 874 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:50,279 Speaker 2: I'm very focused on creating a habit of fighting and 875 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,520 Speaker 2: standing up for myself. I think when you create a 876 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 2: habit of fighting and standing up for yourself, and sometimes 877 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,359 Speaker 2: it's not a fight, things happen if you just push 878 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 2: a little. But I always push partially because I'm insecurit. 879 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 2: I need to have the success and always pushing, I 880 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:07,960 Speaker 2: think more than anything, so that I have the self 881 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,040 Speaker 2: confidence to know that I will always push put me 882 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 2: in any adverse situation, and I will tell you one thing, 883 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,239 Speaker 2: without even knowing what I'm going in to confront, that 884 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,399 Speaker 2: I will push harder than anybody in there because I've 885 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,799 Speaker 2: made a habit of it, and so that gives me 886 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,600 Speaker 2: a great leg up on confidence knowing that I have 887 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 2: the makings of an individual that knows how to push. 888 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 2: So it's half need, half habit, but I think making 889 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,279 Speaker 2: a habit of that is instrumental in success. And if 890 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,800 Speaker 2: I didn't push next week or next month, I'd probably 891 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,239 Speaker 2: get away with it. Give me eight months, I'd still 892 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,879 Speaker 2: get away with it. But by the twelfth month, I've 893 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,920 Speaker 2: wonder if I lost my mojo. I wonder about myself, 894 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,520 Speaker 2: and that's the first loss of confidence. You have to 895 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,240 Speaker 2: push for your confidence, That's. 896 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,600 Speaker 1: What I think. And I blear so much about you 897 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 1: that I didn't know. I've known you now fifteen years, 898 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,800 Speaker 1: maybe even sixteen years, and so many of these little 899 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,719 Speaker 1: antidotes and things that have happened I haven't realized or 900 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,080 Speaker 1: I didn't know when. I'm really happy that we got 901 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:05,759 Speaker 1: to know each other, and you spent this moment with 902 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,680 Speaker 1: me to share that moment with everybody else, and I 903 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,320 Speaker 1: appreciate you, Damon. 904 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:10,799 Speaker 2: I just want to say to you, if you would 905 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,719 Speaker 2: stop complaining about that goddamn meal I made you that 906 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 2: sure changed you. 907 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 3: You could hear a few more of my things that 908 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 3: I say. Okay, no, but it's that honor to be 909 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 3: with you. 910 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,200 Speaker 2: The friendships out of Shark Tank is the best part 911 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,279 Speaker 2: about Shark Tank. I'm sure you would agree, right, We're 912 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:26,360 Speaker 2: like in the pit together. 913 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,120 Speaker 1: It is. It is a moment in history. But getting 914 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,920 Speaker 1: to know great people, even Kevin, has been amazing. 915 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,879 Speaker 2: Oh Kevin's a hoot. I love that Kevin. I love 916 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,200 Speaker 2: hate him like a bad brother, good brother kind of thing. 917 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:38,400 Speaker 3: But I always love you. 918 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 1: I love you too, bro. 919 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,320 Speaker 3: All Right, thanks for the opportunity, Damon. 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