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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the show, fellow Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so

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Speaker 1: much for tuning in. Let's hear a big shout out

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Speaker 1: for our super producer, the madness over Ennsmith, Max Williams. Yes, Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's the classic Williams enthusiasm. Folks, they call me Ben

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Speaker 1: Bollen in this part of the world. My podcast partner

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Speaker 1: in crime, Noel Brown is on is on Revengers, He's

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Speaker 1: on Adventures. But we'll be returning soon. In the meantime,

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Speaker 1: this is part two of a fascinating exploration we're having

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Speaker 1: with a special guest. We asked ourselves a while back,

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Speaker 1: why is HP Lovecraft so very weird? And we thought

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Speaker 1: there could be none better to explore this with us

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Speaker 1: than the man, the myth, the legend, a good friend

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Speaker 1: of our show, a brother in arms on a personal level.

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Speaker 1: Fellow Ridiculous Historians, Let's welcome him back with a big

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Speaker 1: round of applause or whatever sound effect Max chooses. It's

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland, a.

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Speaker 2: Man called Jonathan, man called Jonathan All what may sound strange,

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Speaker 2: do you? Everybody tells him what to do?

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Speaker 3: Hey, if I'm going to give myself a Lovecraftian nickname.

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Speaker 3: I think that's gonna be the Sandwich horror instead of

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Speaker 3: this horror. Yeah. Yeah, I've been watching a lot of

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Speaker 3: role for Sandwich. Have you ever watched that series? Wait yet,

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Speaker 3: it's been on for a while, right, Oh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: My brother and me worked up a table of wild

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Speaker 1: AMC. They have a cookbook there too, And I love

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Speaker 1: that you're doing nicknames, Max. I hope you like yours.

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Speaker 1: And of course my true name is unpronounceable in the

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Speaker 1: human tongue. If you haven't checked out episode one, please

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Speaker 1: please please do give it a listen. Otherwise, without further ado,

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Speaker 1: we welcome you to the Darkness. He also is president

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Speaker 1: briefly of another organization that is the PEPSI to Opah's coke,

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Speaker 1: the National Amateur Press Organization or NAPA. So it's Uppah

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Speaker 1: and NAPA and he just wants to hang out with

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Speaker 1: both of them. This is what gets him back into

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Speaker 3: Why you done. Which horror that kind of thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: And I get the sense that that the characterization of CJ,

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Speaker 3: HP Lovecraft. This this desire for being included in an

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Speaker 3: I don't know that HP was thriving on it in

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and not in a creepy, grooming way, even

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which he also encouraged. And I think that was

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: He wanted other people to pick up the toys that

432
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: he had built and play with them and maybe, you know,

433
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,959
Speaker 1: make some toys of their own, and there's something human

434
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: and astonishing about that. We also know we're going to

435
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: set them up before we have to do the drop here.

436
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: We also know that he was not one hundred percent

437
00:28:55,000 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: immovable in some of his ideas and prejudices. Depression occurred

438
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: during his lifetime. He witnessed this, and it led him

439
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: to support Roosevelt, which might be surprised based on some

440
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: of the stuff we already know about his background and

441
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: his racist perspective. But he became a socialist towards the.

442
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 3: End well, and like the Great Depression affected him as

443
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 3: well as you know, affecting working people all over the place.

444
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 3: In that publications like like Weird Tales began to scale

445
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 3: back like they were still printing. Because as we are

446
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 3: all familiar at this point, I think some of us

447
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 3: are now becoming directly familiar that times of recession or depression,

448
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 3: entertainment often is one of the few industries that continues

449
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 3: to do well as people seek escape from the stresses

450
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 3: of life. Well, same was true back then during the

451
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 3: Great Depression, which, by the way, not that great. If

452
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 3: you ask me, it's a terrible name. It was a

453
00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 3: pretty awful depression. But yeah, we're even with that. They

454
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 3: had to scale back. They just couldn't afford to continue

455
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 3: publication on the same schedule that they had been doing,

456
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 3: which in turn had a cascading effect on all the

457
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 3: different authors who are contributing to those publications, and so

458
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 3: Lovecraft himself was feeling the effects of the depression, just

459
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 3: like other people were, and perhaps the hardships of his

460
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 3: life once his grandfather had passed and his legacy was

461
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 3: mishandled so dramatically, gave him a little bit of reflection

462
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 3: into how life isn't all tea time and Gothic tales

463
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 3: by the fire.

464
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: And we've spoken at length about the intensely problematic views

465
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: regarding Lovecraft there have been. Of course, there are still

466
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: continual additions to the existing mythos, even here in twenty

467
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: twenty five, and there are authors like Matt Ruff, the

468
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: creator of Lovecraft Country, who kind of navigate these issues

469
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: by centering people of color in their lovecrafty and explorations.

470
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: And we know, look Lovecraft, we still know how he

471
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: would have reacted if he saw the effect that he

472
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: has had upon fiction and speculative fiction. Weird horror today

473
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: because the last two or three years of his life

474
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: were also filled with more heartbreak. His aunt, Miss Clark, died,

475
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: he moved in with his other aunt, Miss Gamwell, to

476
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: another basically an apartment, and his later stories were more

477
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: and more difficult to sell. They were kind of struggling

478
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: under the weight of the world building he had created.

479
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 3: Against something that Marvel fans can kind of identify with

480
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 3: that the lung you the longer you go with this

481
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 3: interconnected mythos, the more is required of the consumer of

482
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 3: that art to have at least some familiarity with the

483
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 3: stuff that came before, or else they're completely lost.

484
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, shout out to everybody who just saw uh,

485
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: you know, iron Man.

486
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 3: Three, right right, but yeah, to your to your point,

487
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 3: like we're getting toward the end of his life here,

488
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 3: and we'll just I can't think we can skip ahead

489
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 3: to say that he had cancer and by the time

490
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 3: the cancer was discovered, it had progressed to a point

491
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 3: where the writing was already on the wall, and so

492
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 3: he too began to fall apart, and eventually he passed

493
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 3: away due to the cancer he had. And so, uh,

494
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 3: you know, there are there's definitely tragedy in his life.

495
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 3: I don't want to just paint Lovecraft as this xenophobic,

496
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 3: you know, racist blowhard who you know who expouse espoused

497
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 3: views that were absolutely terrible. But we also can't completely

498
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 3: divorce ourselves of that because he actually that informed his writing.

499
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's clear in some of his stories.

500
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,959
Speaker 3: You can't I don't think death of the author is

501
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 3: something we can easily apply here because those views inform

502
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 3: much of his work.

503
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: Agreed one hundred percent, and I think we could add

504
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: a little bit of arm armchair psychology here with the following.

505
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: Tell me when you guys think about this. I have,

506
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: after doing a bunch of reading for this stuff and

507
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: over the years as a fan of love crafting and work,

508
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: I have come to the light conclusion that one of

509
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: his mental issues may have been something we would right

510
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: kignies as obsessive compulsive disorder or OCD, in that his

511
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: racism is that aphobia is. It's one of his many

512
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: weird hang ups, probably the most dangerous. But he had

513
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: a lot of very strident opinions for and against things,

514
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: and he did obsess over them to what would be

515
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: considered an abnormal degree. Give you one of the fun ones,

516
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 1: and this made me think of you, Jonathan. He hated seafood.

517
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: He hated seafood. Now, not all of our listeners may

518
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: know this, you and I have talked about over the

519
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: years under many adventures, but he is he actively hates it.

520
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if you actively hate it, but you

521
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: definitely can't eat it.

522
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I can't eat it because I have a

523
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 3: severe shellfish allergy, one that will send me to the

524
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 3: emergency room if I have any shelfish or at least

525
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 3: lobster and shrimp are the known shellfish that I am

526
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 3: allergic to. I have eliminated all shellfish, including stuff outside

527
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 3: of things like lobsters and shrimp and stuff from my

528
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 3: diet because after having that experience a couple of times,

529
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 3: I don't want to ever have it again. Plus it

530
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 3: was pretty scary the last time. And also it means

531
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 3: that I have to be careful around seafood in general

532
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 3: because of cross contamination. So I don't hate seafood. I

533
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 3: do avoid seafood unless I am extremely certain that the

534
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 3: seafood restaurant or whatever is very good about avoiding cross contamination.

535
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 3: So I would not go so far as to cast

536
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 3: fish as the bad guys in my stories.

537
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: But maybe there's an untrusty there's an untrustworthy mollusk from Brooklyn.

538
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 3: Yes, maybe, yeah, I could have like a I don't know,

539
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 3: a ship d crab. Maybe that's how they walk man. Yeah, yeah,

540
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 3: they're always they're always edging away from you, you know.

541
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 3: But yeah, Lovecraft like famously despised seafood to the point

542
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 3: where where he made a big deal of it. And

543
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 3: and also, at least according to what we came across, uh,

544
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 3: appeared to never really evolve his his dietary. UH preferences

545
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,439
Speaker 3: beyond a small child and like to eat like lots

546
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 3: of sweet stuff and not not so much anything of

547
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 3: real nutritional value. He'd mess with a sandwich, Yeah, he

548
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 3: would mess with a sandwich, probably a PB and J

549
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 3: if I had to guess, but yeah, crust. Yeah, but

550
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 3: he's cut on the diagonal. But he uh he he

551
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 3: definitely despised seafood, which, if you're growing up in Rhode Island,

552
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 3: that's rough, y'all.

553
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: That's a that's right, Yeah, that's such a waste. And

554
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: Max will throw it to you in in the second

555
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: four of the update on the condition if you're comfortable.

556
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: But for now, what you need to know is we

557
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: discovered one of the few times that Lovecraft is on

558
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 1: record swearing. He did not swear casually, you know, nor conversationally.

559
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: But the story goes and got this thanks to our

560
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: friends a mental floss that he hated seafood so much,

561
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: so cartoonishly that one time a friend of his was

562
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: trying to you know, get him outside, get him out

563
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: of his creepy little room, and they said, hey, come

564
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: with me. Let's you know, we'll go after dinner. And

565
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: when Lovecraft found out that the dinner was steamed clams,

566
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: Lovecraft said, quote, while you are eating that god stuff,

567
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: I'll go across the street for a sandwich. Please excuse me.

568
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 3: I do love that he was reluctant to swear in public,

569
00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 3: but he had no problem throwing racial slur around.

570
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, that's a weird demarcation of decorum. All right,

571
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: so let's before we wrap up next. I saw you

572
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: pop on what's going on? My friend? Oh?

573
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 5: I just wanted to commiserate with Jonathan that because of

574
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 5: the condition, I cannot eat any shellfish as well. So

575
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 5: you and I can sit around eating like plain chicken

576
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 5: together and being and talk about how much we like

577
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 5: it despite.

578
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 3: Not Was there a time when you could eat shellfish?

579
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: Yes?

580
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 3: Okay?

581
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 4: Is there years ago?

582
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 3: Any particular shellfish that you really miss?

583
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 5: Muscles are probably my favorite shellfish. I personally, I have

584
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 5: a very much a love hate relationship with shrimp. I

585
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 5: just I just know too much about them at the

586
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 5: gnography class in yeah school.

587
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 4: And I they're just like really gross to me.

588
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, crab, lobster, all that stuff.

589
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 4: Just seems so annoying to eat. I mean, oysters are good,

590
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 4: but also oysters are just like.

591
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: They're the boog of the sea.

592
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like, what, there's not really anything in this well.

593
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 3: Also, also opening up an oyster is taking your life

594
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 3: in your own hands. Tried to use a knife to

595
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 3: pry one of those shells open without like shoving it

596
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 3: through your.

597
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 5: Hand, Johnny, I remember ten years of food and beverage experience.

598
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 5: I mean I was mostly front of house, but I'm

599
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:20,720
Speaker 5: pretty good with knives in the kitchen.

600
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, see me. No, I'm being a left hander and

601
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff. Yeah lefties though, I'm just

602
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 3: saying like a lot of tools were made for right handers,

603
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 3: and it does get annoying when you're getting to that.

604
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 5: That's why wors pure is because we have grown up

605
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 5: with the spiral and the spiral notebook digging into our hands.

606
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 5: You know, the desks in public school, they're always on

607
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 5: the right side, at the left side. Actually, when I

608
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 5: went with Georgia State and where I got my degree from,

609
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 5: they had left handed ones, but it was always like

610
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 5: I would always sit in the right hand one and

611
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 5: right would sit in left hand ones. We all complain

612
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 5: about stupid desk is.

613
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 3: Because yeah, yeah, well, well for me, it's shrimp. Poe

614
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 3: Boys like I too, share a deep understanding of shrimp

615
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 3: and the issues, and.

616
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: I'm just a little I like the little line of poop.

617
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 3: Yeah do you. Yeah, it's always it's great picking picking

618
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 3: up a shrimp in a restaurant and seeing that there

619
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 3: and thinking, oh, you didn't even take the basic step

620
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 3: of deveining the shrimp. But no, Yeah, I miss Poe

621
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 3: boys a lot. Uh, but I've gotten to the point

622
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 3: where I've eliminated pretty especially any place that does fried seafood.

623
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 3: Obviously you've got to be careful about the oil. So, uh,

624
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 3: the thing I really miss is kalamari. I miss kalamari

625
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 3: a lot.

626
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 1: Well, you know, hey, if it makes you guys feel better,

627
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: there's a big problem with counterfeit klamari. So a lot

628
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: of your friends you're bragging about eating it may not

629
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 1: maybe eating pig intestine.

630
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 3: Uh, yeah, I've I've often heard that, but I've also

631
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 3: heard it debunked. But you know, there, I'm not sure

632
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,720
Speaker 3: because there is that one Lovecraft story where the monsters

633
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 3: are pig intestines, so.

634
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, they're also oh we should mention this too.

635
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: Also not every he has at least a few stories

636
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: where the human esque or human descended villains are not

637
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: just the quote unquote foreigners that he would describe. There's

638
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: one in particular, I'm trying to remember it. That's about

639
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: a southern family of white folks who used to be

640
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: well thought of, but then they became inbred and they

641
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 1: committed mis engenation and turned into like mole people. Yeah,

642
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: do you remember that one?

643
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 3: I don't remember that one. For the sake of transparency,

644
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 3: it has been a long time since I've read Lovecraft's works.

645
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 3: I did read. I think I pretty much read every

646
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 3: single published work he had, besides you know, the compilations

647
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Speaker 3: of letters. But I've read like pretty much all of

648
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 3: his short stories and everything. But it's been years, and

649
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 3: with so much other media, either directly or indirectly inspired

650
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 3: by Lovecraft, it's easy for me to conflate things. So

651
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 3: I don't want to. I don't want to say something

652
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 3: and then just be totally wrong, simply because you know,

653
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Speaker 3: my brain's got scrambled. Back in twenty twenty four, pretty

654
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 3: darn good. And it turns out anything before twenty twenty four,

655
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 3: I can never be entirely sure if I'm remembering it

656
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Speaker 3: or if I'm inventing it.

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Speaker 1: It is the Lurking Fear by HP Lovecraft. I think

658
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Speaker 1: I'll have to reread it. I believe that's the uh,

659
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Speaker 1: that's the story. So everybody could get a little bit

660
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: of xenophobia from Lovecraft. I think that's the one where

661
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: he also talks trash about Dutch people or something.

662
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean again, you know you walk around in

663
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 3: wooden shoes long enough, you're gonna bound to tick somebody off.

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Speaker 3: I knew that from my clogging days.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that is true. We've got we've got to include

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Speaker 1: that in the thank you credits. Big thanks to our

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Speaker 1: super producer, mister Max Williams. I've been a research associate

668
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: for a lot of this. We hope you enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: Big thanks as well to Alex Williams who composed this

670
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Speaker 1: slap and bop A J. Bahamas Jacobs also known as

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Speaker 1: the Puzzler, and of course Jonathan Strickland. Thanks to you,

672
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: this is this was really awesome. Man. I loved learning

673
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: more with you and I appreciate you not being the

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Speaker 1: quister today.

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00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, it's that's why you should Sorry, no, yeah,

676
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 3: it's really fun. Oh excuse me, sorry, I don't know what.

677
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Speaker 1: Time you were so close? I trust you.

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Speaker 2: God.

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Speaker 1: All right, get weird with it, all right, Max, I'm

680
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Speaker 1: going to need you to help me out on this.

681
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: I imagine our friend's alter ego is here to play

682
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: a game.

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Speaker 3: Yes, welcome to the Quiztor segment, the most cringe worthy

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Speaker 3: segment and all love podcasting. Where I the quiz to

685
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 3: quiz beloved hosts. Where's Noel? Noel should be here.

686
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 4: We're a little better off with Noah here.

687
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 5: But I mean I agree to change because I had

688
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 5: to put on my quizler shirt.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, I just want to tell you sucking

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00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 3: up does work, so excellent job there, Max.

691
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Speaker 1: Ye that really is, folks, that really is. He really

692
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Speaker 1: is wearing it.

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Speaker 3: We're all on video and he just proved it.

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Speaker 5: Well, Ben, Ben and Noill get the credit. They just like,

695
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 5: you know, Ben reached out of me. He's like, what's

696
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 5: your dress? And what's that shirt? Actually I think you

697
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 5: have I think you have my dress, Bend, but like,

698
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 5: what's that shirt you wear?

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Speaker 2: Max?

700
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 5: Last time that to you.

701
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Speaker 4: And also and I just had ridiculous history shirts.

702
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Speaker 3: I do have to admit that I'm wearing a shirt

703
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Speaker 3: with a black cat on it, but it is not

704
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Speaker 3: Lovecraft's cat. I want to make that very clear.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah, that's good myth busting now, quister arch

707
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: nemesis of Low these several years. That sounded less dramatic

708
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: when I had to be accurate. But of Low these

709
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: several years with our good friend and partner in crime,

710
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Speaker 1: Noel on Adventure, it falls to young Max Williams and

711
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 1: I to play your insidious game.

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00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 3: Yes, and this game is where I present to you

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Speaker 3: three scenarios. Two of them are real and one I

714
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Speaker 3: made upsis And so tis down to the to determine

715
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Speaker 3: which of these is the one that I made up.

716
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Speaker 3: And I will present to you the three scenarios, and

717
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Speaker 3: upon the presentation, you will have three minutes to confer

718
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Speaker 3: between the two of you to determine which of the

719
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Speaker 3: three are fake. I want to say this one is

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Speaker 3: I think pretty. This one's not hard, but it was

721
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Speaker 3: fun to write.

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Speaker 1: Don't set us up like that, man. We'll try to

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Speaker 1: make it look really.

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Speaker 4: Bad when we flail and do awful of this one.

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Speaker 1: I'm in your head, dude, I know how you work.

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00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 3: I have faith in you. But as always, if you

727
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 3: wish to ask a question for clarification's sake, and if

728
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Speaker 3: I happen to know the answer, you can do so,

729
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 3: but you have to preface it with a phrase of

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Speaker 3: my own choosing. For this particular quiz, that phrase shall be,

731
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 3: of course, it must be yah yah cutoul photogon right, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 3: popping photogon photogon. Yet pronunciation is very clear, I mean,

733
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Speaker 3: despite the fact that Lovecraft wrote it in such a

734
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Speaker 3: way that you're not supposed to be able to say

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Speaker 3: it with the human tongue. I am being very persnickety. No, uh,

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Speaker 3: here are your three scenarios. I shall start with scenario

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Speaker 3: number one. One of Lovecraft's predecessors, mister Edgar Allan Poe,

738
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Speaker 3: receives credit for helping establish the genre of mystery fiction. However,

739
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Speaker 3: did you know that Poe's own journey included debunking the

740
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Speaker 3: famous mechanical turk The York was an invention of Wolfgang

741
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 3: von Kemplin from nearly a century before, and appeared to

742
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Speaker 3: be a humanoid automaton capable of playing expert levels of chess.

743
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Speaker 3: By the time Poe investigated it, Kimpland was long dead,

744
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Speaker 3: and a man named Johann Meltzel, who took this Turk

745
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 3: from Europe to America, was doing exhibitions across the eastern

746
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 3: coast of the United States. Poe argued that because the

747
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 3: Turk occasionally lost in chess games, it must therefore be

748
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Speaker 3: controlled by a person either inside the device or from

749
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Speaker 3: some remote location, because machines would win every single time. Now,

750
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 3: as we all know from chat GPT, that's not necessarily

751
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Speaker 3: a guarantee. But our Poe boy was at least right,

752
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 3: but for the wrong reason. Scenario number two. Lovecraft contemporary

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Speaker 3: and correspondent Robert E. Howard is probably best known for

754
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 3: the creation of the beefcake Barbarian conan. Howard became part

755
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Speaker 3: of the Lovecraft Circle. These are the authors who collaborated

756
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Speaker 3: with one another, sharing stories and concepts in an effort

757
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 3: to weave together a rich tapestry of mythology. Two Gun Bob,

758
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 3: as he was known within the circle, made a major

759
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Speaker 3: contribution to the Lovecraftian mythology the Necronomicon. While Lovecraft had

760
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Speaker 3: invented the name Abdullah has read many years before the

761
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Speaker 3: two corresponded.

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Speaker 1: It was Robert E.

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Speaker 3: Howard who first incorporated what later storytellers would call the

764
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Speaker 3: Book of the Dead into a sword and sorcery tale

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Speaker 3: titled The Tomb of the Witch. The necronomicon is only

766
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 3: mentioned in the story and holds no significance for the plot,

767
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Speaker 3: but Lovecraft liked the sound of the title, and, with

768
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Speaker 3: Robert E. Howard's permission, used it in his own works.

769
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Speaker 3: You can really argue the necronomicon didn't really hit the

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Speaker 3: big time until far after Lovecraft's death, and that's why

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Speaker 3: I say groovy scenario number three. Before becoming a famous

772
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Speaker 3: crime novelist, Robert Albert Bloch was a young member of

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Speaker 3: the Lovecraft Circle, contributing to publications like Weird Tales and

774
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Speaker 3: such and participating in the group Mythology created by Lovecraft,

775
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 3: Roberty Howard, August Durleis, Jay Vernon, Shay Clark, Ashton Smith,

776
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Speaker 3: and many many others. Bloch's first published piece in Weird

777
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 3: Tales wasn't a short story, but rather a critique of

778
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Speaker 3: Conan's stories, showing that not all authors within the Lovecraft

779
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 3: circle fell over themselves to praise one another's work. Block

780
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Speaker 3: himself served as an inspiration for a character named Robert

781
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Speaker 3: Blake and Lovecraft's The Haunter of the Dark. Lovecraft killed

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Speaker 3: off Blake in that story as a playful response to

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Speaker 3: Block having previously invented a character based on Lovecraft, only

784
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Speaker 3: to have him killed off in a tale titled The

785
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 3: Shambler from the Stars. Oh and Lovecraft also doxed Block

786
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 3: by including his real life address in the story. Block

787
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 3: eventually shifted away from weird fiction and became better known

788
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Speaker 3: for the crime stories he wrote, including the novel Psycho.

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Speaker 1: Begin Okay, okay, So I am going to run over

790
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Speaker 1: to this grandfather clock that we paid way too much

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00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: money for again. Uh, and then we're going to start

792
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Speaker 1: the timer. And then we're going to start the timer

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Speaker 1: right now, all right.

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Speaker 5: I don't even remember what we're supposed to be doing.

795
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Speaker 5: Is we're find one that's fake or one that's real.

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Speaker 1: The one that's fake to a real one is made up.

797
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Speaker 1: We have a ticking clock of two minutes fifty seconds,

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Speaker 1: and we can ask this is our time for you

799
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Speaker 1: and I to work together to determine what we think

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Speaker 1: is most likely. We can also ask the quister a

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00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: question as long as we begin it like this, I

802
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Speaker 1: Cthulhu Fagan.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, you're just you're just needling me on purpose.

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00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 3: Go ahead, mister mister bowl.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, that I did mispronounce it, so quister. Uh,

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Speaker 1: just for a quick recap, the idea is that Edgar

807
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: Allan Poe mythbusted the mechanical Turk. Scenario one, HP Lovecraft

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00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: got the idea and the name of the Necronomicon not

809
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,479
Speaker 1: from his own head but from another author. Scenario two

810
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Speaker 1: and scenario three, that members of the mythos weren't above

811
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Speaker 1: dunking on each other's works or even playfully, uh, setting

812
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: up fictional characters based on.

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00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 3: Each other, right, and and then killing them off playfully,

814
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 3: and then.

815
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Speaker 1: Killing them off with whatever passes for playfulness that in

816
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Speaker 1: that circle. Okay, I'm going to say it this way, Max,

817
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: I think it's number two.

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00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 4: You think it's number two. I was between one or two?

819
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 5: Hold on second maybe, uh yeah, yeah, to fill a

820
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Speaker 5: fulopen Ah, yes, Max, I mean this is.

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Speaker 4: Just pretty stiple question.

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Speaker 5: John, there, are you well aware that this seconment is

823
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 5: one hundred percent a very transparent ripoff of where Wait,

824
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 5: don't tell me he's bluffed the listener. Uh where where

825
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 5: where people tell a story?

826
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Speaker 2: And three?

827
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Speaker 1: There's three?

828
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 4: There's three stories and only one of them is real?

829
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 3: Sorry, I don't, I don't. I'm not familiar with this.

830
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Speaker 3: Is this a new a new program? Perhaps?

831
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 2: Uh?

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00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 3: Well, what what? Where could I hear such an idea?

833
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 3: I have no idea what you're talking about. I mean

834
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 3: to think I like to think of it as podcasters

835
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 3: are just part of a large collaborative effort, and no

836
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 3: one's ideas are all their own.

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Speaker 5: I mean it's we've been having a running series on

838
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 5: intellectual property, So I don't know. I think it's something

839
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 5: we all share in the world of art. Ben, this

840
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 5: is one hundred percent out of my spectrum. So I

841
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 5: was thinking one or two, and you if you think

842
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:47,720
Speaker 5: it's two, I say.

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00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: Two, let's lock it in, Okay, three? Two? One boom,

844
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Speaker 1: locked in? All right, Christ, we're going with number two

845
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: as the fake story.

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Speaker 3: Well, gentlemen, you're right. I told you this was going

847
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,720
Speaker 3: to be a relatively easy one. Yes, no, so, in fact,

848
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Speaker 3: Robert Block, not Robert Block. I'm sorry, Robert E. Howard.

849
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Speaker 3: There are so many Roberts.

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Speaker 1: Robert E.

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Speaker 3: Howard did contribute some titles of books that would find

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00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 3: their ways into Lovecraft's work, but Necronomicon was in fact

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00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 3: something Lovecraft himself came up with independently. It does find

854
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 3: itself in it mentioned in other author's works, often as

855
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 3: just one of those books that litters an arcane occultist's

856
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 3: bookshelf sort of thing. But yes, number two is a fiction.

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00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 3: There was no story called the Tomb of the Witch.

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00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,760
Speaker 3: I completely invented that. That no such stories. It's similar

859
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 3: to titles that Robert E. Robert E. Howard did, right,

860
00:53:54,480 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 3: but not that one. That's a fabrication. So congratulations, We

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Speaker 3: all follow up.

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Speaker 4: Was Robert E. Robert E. Howard or whatever was he

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Speaker 4: named after? Robert E.

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Speaker 2: Lee?

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Speaker 3: I do not believe.

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Speaker 1: So.

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Speaker 3: He had a rather unfortunate and tragic story of his own.

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Speaker 3: His his his life was was cut short. Yeah. I

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Speaker 3: think he was only something like thirty six when he

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Speaker 3: shuffled off the mortal coil by his own hand, if

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Speaker 3: I were calling correctly.

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Speaker 1: Even even younger I think he was.

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Speaker 3: I have only been thirty. He was only thirty, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he was quite young.

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Speaker 1: Well, with this, we gratefully accept the laurels of victory,

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Speaker 1: knowing that there will be yet another conflict on the

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Speaker 1: horizon and are continuing cosmic horror of a trick quiz

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Speaker 1: show that happens at the end of every not every episode,

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Speaker 1: but just enough for us to not be able to

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Speaker 1: predict it. With that quister aka Johnson Strickland. We can't

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Speaker 1: thank you enough for for hanging out with us on

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Speaker 1: the show Man and I hope you had a good time.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we can do some more of these in the future.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a pleasure dropping the quister for this

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Speaker 3: because tired. No, it was great because, as you know,

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Speaker 3: I hung up the podcasting headphones not that long ago,

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Speaker 3: and so occasionally I do miss it and it's fun

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Speaker 3: to get on the microphone and wrap about stuff with

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Speaker 3: y'all and to explore these topics and to really kind of,

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Speaker 3: you know, have fun indulgent curiosity.

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Speaker 1: Just so you know, we we cut the part where

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Speaker 1: you were wrapping because it was bad, not because it

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Speaker 1: was bad. You had a tight sixteen I expect it.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, because it starts with a hip hop hippie

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Speaker 3: to the hippi, I don't stop rocking. All right, that's

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Speaker 3: our show.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio,

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Speaker 1: visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen

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Speaker 1: to your favorite shows.