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Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven

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Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Steelers Nation, and welcome to Black Friday. Here

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Speaker 2: on the Drive on the Steelers' audio network, West Shooler

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson with you for the next two hours. Here Matt,

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Speaker 2: on what is one of the weirdest days of the year.

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Speaker 3: I said, it's such a strange day. I'm gonna ask

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Speaker 3: you the same thing about it.

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Speaker 2: Like, I feel like we should be used to this

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Speaker 2: because Thanksgiving is always on a Thursday. It's not like

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Speaker 2: Christmas where it moves around. Oh, it can really change.

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Speaker 3: It's always on a Thursday.

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Speaker 2: It's on a Tuesday. Is much different than Christmas on

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Speaker 2: a Friday. Yeah, but yeah, Black Friday always feels weird

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Speaker 2: because like eighty percent of people are out shopping and

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Speaker 2: sleeping and you know, eating leftovers, and like twenty percent

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Speaker 2: of people are working and the people still get.

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Speaker 3: Up at like three in the morning and getting lined

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Speaker 3: for some people and stuff like that too.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's clear it's clearly not as big

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Speaker 2: of a deal as it used to be because so

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Speaker 2: many stuff is online. Yeah, yeah, but I think with

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Speaker 2: certain things like I feel like electronics is still a

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Speaker 2: big one. You know, you go to the store, you

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Speaker 2: get the really good deals on TVs and yeah yeah stuff.

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Speaker 3: You want to get your hands on and look at too.

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Speaker 3: Yeahs oppose online.

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Speaker 2: And I'm sure someone who does this regularly would tell us,

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Speaker 2: like the stores are cutting deals that you can't get

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Speaker 2: online because they still want people coming into the brick

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Speaker 2: and mortar storehouse and not just ordering everything. But it's

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Speaker 2: definitely much tamer than it.

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Speaker 3: Was along those lines like usually, but South Hields Village

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Speaker 3: is between my parents' house and my house, so we

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Speaker 3: pass it on the way home from Thanksgiving every Thursday,

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Speaker 3: every nice and last night it wasn't you know, like

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Speaker 3: just looking at like Target and stuff. Now, we left

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Speaker 3: my parents earlier than usual. It was only like eight

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Speaker 3: o'clock or nine o'clock, but we passed South was Village.

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Speaker 3: But sometimes we've left there at midnight and it's like

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Speaker 3: it's insane. You can't even get in the parking My

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Speaker 3: wife comments, she's like every time I go by here

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Speaker 3: every year, it's nuts and there's no one in like

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Speaker 3: the Target parking lot. But I mean we were a

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Speaker 3: little early, but still.

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Speaker 2: On Thursday Night became a thing for a while too.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that's what I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: they were waiting to get over o'clock. Yeah or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Maybe that's done.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I hope. So I'm not sure you.

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Speaker 3: Could pay me enough to go to do that.

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Speaker 2: You could not.

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Speaker 3: I did Black After the best deals ever.

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Speaker 2: I did Black Friday proper with my Like I had

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Speaker 2: a bunch I have a bunch of aunts and cousins

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Speaker 2: that it was like a tradition, Like they'd get up

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Speaker 2: at like you know, four am on Black Friday and

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Speaker 2: they'd all pile in the minivan and they'd be gone

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Speaker 2: for twelve out like they know Ross Park, Mall and Robinson.

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Speaker 3: And I mean, you know, a shop everything.

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's as much of that anymore. And

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Speaker 2: I did do that with that one time, and the

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Speaker 2: whole time I was like what am I doing? Got

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Speaker 2: a couple of DVDs for like three bucks? But that

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Speaker 2: other than that, I was cool. I was just standing

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Speaker 2: in line. It was my entire day, the entire day.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I hope, I hope everybody listen. If that

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Speaker 2: is your thing, I hope you got some good deals.

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Speaker 2: I hope you're enjoying it. My thing would be to

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Speaker 2: sit around and just watch football all day mat because

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Speaker 2: there's college games on all day. I obviously the Black

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Speaker 2: Friday Amazon game as well too, which uh man, I'll

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Speaker 2: tell you what, be rushing home because all my Philly

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Speaker 2: and laws are in town and.

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Speaker 3: They were we're recording this.

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Speaker 2: We're recording this a little earlier today for for full transparency,

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Speaker 2: because I think everybody stands that with the Philly and

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Speaker 2: Laws and my dad's from Chicago. So last last, you know,

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Speaker 2: yesterday at Thanksgiving dinner, he was kind of winding them

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Speaker 2: up a little bit, you know, about the Bears. So

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Speaker 2: I'm sure I'll be walking back into Civil War here.

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Speaker 3: I'm walking back.

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Speaker 2: Into into into a big Eagles and Bears pow wow

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Speaker 2: and some great college football games on now and and

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Speaker 2: all night. And so yeah, I hope you hope you

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Speaker 2: had a good Thanksgiving. Dude. It was a nice day yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was in a lot of those lines too,

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Speaker 3: like a lot of people asked me in the last

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Speaker 3: and umbles from last night, like you know, so you're

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Speaker 3: off tomorrow, off tomorrow, No chance, I have never not

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Speaker 3: had a Black Friday. It's the middle of the season.

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Speaker 3: What are you talking about. They've played three games yesterday,

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Speaker 3: the game going right now is Steelers playing two days.

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Speaker 3: There's a way I'm off tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: This is the first Black Friday I've worked in a

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Speaker 2: long time. I think probably since I was with the

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Speaker 2: hockey team out of out of college, because we'd always

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Speaker 2: have games on Black Friday, and oh okay, yeah big

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Speaker 2: you know, big games. Thanks today, Yeah yeah, yeah, but

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Speaker 2: motes and I never did a show on Black Friday. Really,

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Speaker 2: but I guess that's just what happens when you move

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Speaker 2: up into the into the big.

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Speaker 3: On video and we're not gonna do a Steeler preview.

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Speaker 2: Come on now, I am wearing my well, we could

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Speaker 2: have done one on Wednesday, but I digress. I'm wearing

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Speaker 2: my uh since then, my Thanksgiving best. It's true, we're

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Speaker 2: wearing my Thanksgiving best. I got my Dealers hoodie, I

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Speaker 2: got my under armor on. As we're as we're ready

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Speaker 2: to rock and roll here on a Black Friday and

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Speaker 2: of course set the stage for what is a massive

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Speaker 2: game Sunday four twenty five at Akresher Stadium. Matt Real,

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Speaker 2: simple question for you to get us started today. Who

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Speaker 2: needs this one more? The Buffalo Bills are the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean just watching those three games yesterday. What

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Speaker 3: a disaster the division and the entire conferences? Lord, I

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Speaker 3: mean a disaster, Lord, right.

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Speaker 2: Like if this was the if this was college football

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Speaker 2: and everybody did the SEC versus the Big ten thing

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Speaker 2: that people love to do in college football. My goodness,

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Speaker 2: the NFC is boat racing the afar destroying them.

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Speaker 3: So a couple notes. I mean, this isn't exactly what

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Speaker 3: you ask, but I mean, oh.

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Speaker 2: This is when the good stuff happens.

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Speaker 3: Though I brought it up kind of joking a week

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Speaker 3: or two ago, like out of the four elite quarterbacks,

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Speaker 3: two of whom faced each other yesterday, Mahomes and Steelers

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Speaker 3: will face Allen. We might get none. I mean I

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Speaker 3: kind of said it. Then I'm like, how many are

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Speaker 3: we gonna really get? And there's a chance you get

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Speaker 3: none too of most. I'd still be.

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Speaker 2: Shocked if the Bills didn't make the playoffs, me too,

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Speaker 2: But if they use even if the Steelers win, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'd still be shocked if they don't make the playoffs,

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Speaker 2: but if they lose the Steelers, it's a real possibility

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Speaker 2: they could miss and then winning the division if they

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Speaker 2: they fall to seven and five.

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Speaker 3: I'm on a group text with all my buddies and

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Speaker 3: someone puts out there, who's the best who's the best

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Speaker 3: team right now in the AFC? And there's no good answer,

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Speaker 3: not who's gonna win the most games or who's the

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Speaker 2: The Patriots or the Broncos obviously.

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Speaker 3: But like, yeah, but I don't trust Enver's offense.

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Speaker 2: On New England just kind of stumbled to a win

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Speaker 3: They lost two starting O linemen and they don't have replacements.

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati, Cincinnati, Cincinnata.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I actually threw out Houston, like who's

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Speaker 3: playing the best right now?

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Speaker 2: Ool?

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Speaker 3: I mean their defense is big time legit and Stroud's

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Speaker 3: coming back and the rest of sportscasses.

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Speaker 2: A great question. I don't know who the answered, Indy.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like, who's the best team this second in

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Speaker 3: the AFC?

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Speaker 2: Cool?

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Speaker 3: Not the Ravens, I mean the Miami Dolphins. They're playing

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Speaker 3: like they're playing as well as anyone. That's kind of

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Speaker 3: my Texans thought. And then a buddy mind's like, would

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Speaker 3: Dallas be the best team in the AFC.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, yes, I mean, they certainly would be the

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Speaker 2: hot in terms of this conversation, the best right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, like that's the state of the

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Speaker 3: conference right now. And the division is a disaster too.

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Speaker 2: It's not great. And hope thankfully nobody really cares about

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Speaker 2: that stuff in the NFL like they do in college football, because, yeah,

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Speaker 2: the NFC would certainly be having their way with the

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Speaker 2: AFC this year. We saw that in Dallas, matt Where, Man,

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Speaker 2: I I don't know what to think about the Chiefs,

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Speaker 2: like that's I think they played terrible, but it's right, right,

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Speaker 2: But your record is what it is at this point.

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Speaker 3: And they have no tie breakers in their face, they

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Speaker 3: have no time breakers. I won't win the I mean

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Speaker 3: that's a real long shot.

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Speaker 2: This point. They're what four games, three and a half

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Speaker 3: In the Denver to totally collapse.

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Speaker 2: They still have to play Houston. They still have to

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Speaker 2: play the Chargers and the Broncos.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I mean they want to play the Broncos and

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Speaker 3: Chargers so they can sure, Yeah, I mean at this point,

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Speaker 3: but losing yesterday is brutal on them.

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Speaker 2: It absolutely is. And every sem looking here, Yeah, every

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Speaker 2: single one of the Chiefs remaining games is an AFC game.

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Speaker 2: Houston Chargers. I guess that's good for Titans Broncos. It

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Speaker 2: is good for them, but it's also if you lose

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Speaker 2: one more, you're done.

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Speaker 3: That's a good point, right, Their backs against the wall.

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Speaker 3: To the point though, that they need.

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Speaker 2: Take seven with no tie breakers, you're in all likelihood

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Speaker 2: not going to the postseason.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, you'll miss out to.

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Speaker 2: Like a Pittsburgh or a Baltimore or a Buffalo.

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Speaker 3: Or maybe Houston or Jason the TI right, I mean

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Speaker 3: you start really looking at it, it's it's pretty crazy.

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Speaker 3: But a win for the Steelers. Say what you want

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Speaker 3: about how they they're playing, It doesn't matter, to be

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Speaker 3: honest with you, right, but they win this game, which

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to reveal my pick, but I'm really torn.

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Speaker 3: I mean, originally I'm like, Buffalo's gonna be the Steelers, Josh,

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Speaker 3: I mean like, but there's a lot of problems with

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Speaker 3: the Bills right now too.

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Speaker 2: There certainly is, and they've got a huge list of

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Speaker 2: injury updates. Both starting tackles Deon Dawkins and Spencer Brown

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Speaker 2: ruled out today by Sean McDermott.

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Speaker 3: That's unbelievably important.

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Speaker 2: It's I mean, hey, we just saw this with the

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Speaker 2: Chargers a couple of weeks ago, and the Steelers weren't

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Speaker 2: able to take advantage like we all thought they would

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Speaker 2: in fact, but this is massively important. Losing both of

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Speaker 2: your starting tackles. We're down Roger Jones and we know.

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Speaker 3: Four starting tackles are out in this game. Yes, I

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Speaker 3: mean that's crazy.

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Speaker 2: I think if we if the Steelers are also down

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Speaker 2: Troy Faltanu right now, the tune we would be singing row.

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Speaker 3: Bernard, backup tackles, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Toreu Bernard backup or sorry part of me, I'm just

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Speaker 3: For Flacco two weeks earlier, something like that, or.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely right, then I would be singing a different tune.

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Speaker 3: They probably need three more wins period.

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Speaker 3: They have seven wins right now.

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Speaker 3: I think Baltimore is going to turn it around, though, Buffalo,

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Speaker 3: Oh big time. And they still have their same problems

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Speaker 2: They they they haven would have said they have problems,

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Speaker 3: And I think he stole from Chuckinghole.

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Speaker 2: I think he did.

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Speaker 2: He did, right, I'm I'm I'm leaning more towards now.

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Speaker 2: Baltimore finishes with a losing record than they do. You know,

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Speaker 3: Ye I think, like I'm happy the Steelers are playing

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Speaker 2: You know, now you're you're absolutely right right, I think

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Speaker 2: the next one hundred Matt, I am aware. Okay. I

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Speaker 2: I say as well too, all right. Too often. I

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Speaker 3: I'm sure, yeah you do. We all do it. That's what.

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Speaker 2: Listen, we speak.

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Speaker 3: For four hours a day on the radio. You're gonna

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Speaker 2: But you're not all. You're gonna step in it sometimes

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Speaker 2: But like, not only the next sixty minutes master for

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, write your ticket. Then if you.

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Speaker 2: Lose to both, you're in big trouble. But I still

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're still swimming.

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Speaker 2: Your your wild card shot would be dead. You would

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Speaker 2: Since he could beat him again, Since he could beat

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Speaker 2: and Higgans should be there.

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Speaker 2: So I continue to think more and.

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Speaker 3: More Wigans should guard Higgins for his whole career.

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Speaker 2: Wigans and Higgins try saying that one ten times fast.

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Speaker 2: I continue to think more and more to get back

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Speaker 2: to where we started fifteen minutes ago. It's more important

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Speaker 2: that's gonna be it.

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Speaker 3: I tend to agree because again, I think Houston's playing better.

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Speaker 2: Matt Let's it's such a weird year in the AFC.

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Speaker 3: It is, and the Steelers as week to week as

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Speaker 2: They're not. I had had this conversation last night with

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Speaker 2: We all know the NFL is such a week to

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Speaker 3: When we have rob On, he brings up all the time,

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Speaker 3: He's like, this year's weirder than ever, so weird and

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Speaker 2: I've got some led Zeppelin good times, bad times, statistics

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Speaker 3: No, I've had my share him to bring you here.

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Speaker 2: On the other side, I want to listen, Matt, not

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Speaker 2: to toot your horn, okay, because you always do a

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Speaker 2: great job with it. But I thought this week's Matt's

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Speaker 2: Stats was exceptional.

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Speaker 3: Oh it was very good. I didn't get that feedback

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll figure all of that out.

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Speaker 3: Giving might have slowed that up a little bit.

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Speaker 2: The trip the fan, well done, Matt's Stats, Steelers bills,

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Speaker 2: return here in hour number one on Friday, having some fun.

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Speaker 2: Euler Williamson. It's the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio on

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Speaker 2: the Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 1: Your tunes about drive on your twenty four to seven,

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Speaker 2: All Right, Matt, so you know the opening question of

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Speaker 2: out for both of these teams is how well they've

438
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Speaker 2: responded to losses.

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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, and you're not teased about how you like

440
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Speaker 3: something in the status.

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Speaker 2: I like a lot in the staff packet. But here's

442
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Speaker 2: what I pulled to start because I think it's pertinent

443
00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:04,679
Speaker 2: both these teams coming off a loss.

444
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Speaker 3: I think this is kind of cool statement and.

445
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Speaker 2: Coming off a loss in a pretty big spot for

446
00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:13,200
Speaker 2: both of these teams exactly and really respond feeling pretty

447
00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,480
Speaker 2: not Kansas City Chiefs desperate, but pretty desperate times for

448
00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,800
Speaker 2: both of these teams. How do you respond in these situations?

449
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Speaker 2: Let's start with Buffalo Josh Allen coming off a loss,

450
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:28,400
Speaker 2: career winning percentage of point seventy four to three. That's

451
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Speaker 2: nearly seventy five percent. Yeah, that means about three out

452
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Speaker 2: of four times after a loss Josh Allen gets a w.

453
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Speaker 2: Only Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson have a win percentage

454
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Speaker 2: better than seventy percent following a loss.

455
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Speaker 3: That came straight from NFL. So I don't know if

456
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Speaker 3: he's one, two or three, but they're the three that

457
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Speaker 3: have seventy or better.

458
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Speaker 2: They didn't makes a lot of sense.

459
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Speaker 3: I mean, they're all great, great players.

460
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Speaker 2: Their teams have been very good the last you know,

461
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Speaker 2: handful of years.

462
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Speaker 3: Now, what's interesting to me about Allan because I know

463
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Speaker 3: where you get to a Steeler one here in two

464
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:05,879
Speaker 3: is he's playing, you know, like we're gonna get to

465
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:10,119
Speaker 3: Tomlin pull back the curtain. Yes, I bet coaches could

466
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Speaker 3: be like, oh, I lost Brady for six weeks in

467
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Speaker 3: a row, so my winning percentage off of loss great

468
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Speaker 3: point lost lost lost, you know, or TJ Watts out

469
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Speaker 3: and Cam Hayward's out.

470
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Speaker 2: I'm starting to as a quarterback here.

471
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Speaker 3: So a quarterback should have a better number than a coach,

472
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Speaker 3: because at least if you're an awesome quarterback and those

473
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Speaker 3: are your awesome quarterbacks, I go back out there the

474
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Speaker 3: next week and I'm the best guy on the field,

475
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Speaker 3: but still over fifty percent after a loss. Seems to

476
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Speaker 3: me like it'd be really really good because times are

477
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Speaker 3: probably tough. A lot of those you know, like my

478
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,120
Speaker 3: whole line hurt. I mean there's bad things that happen.

479
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Speaker 2: Great point, it'd be like if the Bills had the

480
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Speaker 2: Bills part of me, if they if the Bengals had

481
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Speaker 2: a really good record off of losses this year, it'd

482
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Speaker 2: be extra impressive because they've been doing it without Joe Burrow.

483
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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, right, right right.

484
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Speaker 2: You mentioned Mike tomlin career winning percentage of point six

485
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,359
Speaker 2: two six, so basically sixty three percent of the time

486
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 2: following a loss Mike Tomlin wins. That's the best in

487
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Speaker 2: the NFL amongst head coaches since he became one in

488
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Speaker 2: two thousand and seven.

489
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Speaker 3: Which pretty good stretch, pretty long. Sam Parson lost ample

490
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Speaker 3: size to say the least. Yes, I'm not sure if

491
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Speaker 3: that one's more impressive. I know it's not the winning

492
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 3: percentages and is good, But again, the fact that coaches

493
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Speaker 3: have to deal with stretches of you know, like the Niners,

494
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Speaker 3: everybody hurt. That's pretty tough to win sixty one percent

495
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Speaker 3: games when I am facing the hardest stretch of the

496
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Speaker 3: season or the hardest stretch of my coaching career, you know,

497
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Speaker 3: And I think everyone would recognize Tomlin is pretty darn

498
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Speaker 3: good of when tom doesn't let snowballs just roll down.

499
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Speaker 3: You know, I think this thing in the Bible.

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Speaker 2: I think even the biggest Mike Tomlin detractors, and you

501
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,679
Speaker 2: and I have had plenty of them in our Twitter

502
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,880
Speaker 2: mentions over the last few weeks, would tell what would

503
00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,440
Speaker 2: have to give it to him that he never lets

504
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 2: the season go to waste, he never loses the locker room.

505
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Speaker 3: I think he's got a great pulse a team.

506
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Speaker 2: I know plenty of people right now are listening to

507
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Speaker 2: us say that, and they're going, I don't give a

508
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 2: rip win some playoff games. I'm not Those things don't

509
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,639
Speaker 2: have to be mutually exclusive, like right, I'm just saying,

510
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 2: like he he deserves a lot of credit for that.

511
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Speaker 2: You and I have talked about this in the In

512
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 2: the crux of the the Eagles moved on from Andy Reid,

513
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 2: the Patriots moved on from Bill Belichick.

514
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

515
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 2: Andy Reid went four and twelve his last season in Philadelphia.

516
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Speaker 3: Yeah Belichick Belichick.

517
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Speaker 2: Belichick went three and thirteen his last season in New England.

518
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that you have to like worship the

519
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 2: guy and that means he can do no wrong and all.

520
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,719
Speaker 2: Like I'm not saying that this means that Mike Tomlin

521
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Speaker 2: is god right. I'm just telling you it's whatever you

522
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 2: think of the man. I think you have to be

523
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 2: impressed by the fact that twenty years in the National

524
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 2: Football League, he's like the only head coach that can

525
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 2: say that, right. Sean Payton can't say that. Andy Reid

526
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 2: can't say that. Bill Belichick can't say that.

527
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Speaker 3: And I know that that's not a.

528
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 2: Ring on your finger. That's not a Super Bowl trophy.

529
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 2: No one's hanging a banner because you never lost a team.

530
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 2: But that still doesn't mean it's not impressive. There's middle

531
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Speaker 2: ground here.

532
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 3: It's not so side tangent.

533
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Speaker 2: We're not saying that means Mike Tomlin should coach in

534
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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh forever. It's like the fact that he hasn't won

535
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Speaker 2: a playoff game in eight years as a fact.

536
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Speaker 3: So is that? So? I guess I'm getting a little

537
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Speaker 3: bit of a reputation on social media.

538
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Speaker 2: Man, You're I'm catching some strays because of you. I mean,

539
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 2: Matt Williamson's the biggest Mike Tomlin defender, and at Wesley

540
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 2: Yuler is going with him because You're gonna get some

541
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 2: mean tweets because.

542
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 3: Because I do this stat back when something really perks

543
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,199
Speaker 3: my interest. I just cut paste put it on Twitter.

544
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Speaker 2: These are numbers.

545
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 3: It's not I think this. I mean, they're just facts.

546
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Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin doesn't want a playoff game in eight years, right,

547
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Speaker 2: and that's not good enough. That's a fact.

548
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 3: That's a fact.

549
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin also has an insane record after the Steelers

550
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,959
Speaker 2: lose a game. Fact, that's a fact, right, right, right,

551
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 2: then these things can be true.

552
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Speaker 3: Many of my tweets are just that cutting and pasting

553
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 3: something that is a fact. Car or whatever, get off

554
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 3: my lawn. But and I don't even care, like you

555
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 3: can come at me. That doesn't bother at all. I mean,

556
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 3: I learned that at ESPN. You know, I call me.

557
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 3: I get called an idiot every day. That's fine. I

558
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 3: have no plble.

559
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 2: So he's just a Cleveland brown scout that tells you

560
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:23,479
Speaker 2: all you need to know.

561
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 3: But it's amazing.

562
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Speaker 2: My favorite, real quick is when people write in your

563
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Speaker 2: comments that you were part of a group that picked

564
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Speaker 2: Callan Winslow junior over Ben Roethlisberker.

565
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you weren't. I wasn't even hired after that.

566
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Speaker 3: My first day was the day after that. But that's fine, good,

567
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 3: close enough. But anyway. I mean, it's so crazy when

568
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Speaker 3: you just put a fact out there. I put that

569
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Speaker 3: fact and eighty five percent of the people from it.

570
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 3: Not even that. It's just will show me the playoff one?

571
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Speaker 3: When's the last playoff? Fine, I don't care about that stuff.

572
00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 3: Like it's still pertinent. I understand you're frustrated with playoff

573
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 3: losses and they don't win the super Bowl every year.

574
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Speaker 3: I get that, But it amazes me that.

575
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Speaker 2: If Aaron Rodgers goes out there on Sunday and throws

576
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 2: for seven hundred yards and seven touchdowns, I'm gonna come

577
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 2: back in here Monday and go, Yeah, but he hasn't

578
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 2: been to a super Bowl in fifteen years.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't really matter, right, Like, if you just put a

580
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 3: fact out there, and I understand more angry people will

581
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 3: actually type than happy people. No, you know, right, right, that's.

582
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 2: Like when you go to Google reviews or Yelp where

583
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 2: it right, take it with a grain of salt, because

584
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 2: happy people usually don't post about it online, right, they

585
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 2: just stay happy.

586
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 3: They stay happy type this thing. No, but like you

587
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 3: put that out of that too.

588
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 2: I'm sure, man, I'm guilty of that too.

589
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 3: But you put that stat about Tomlin out, and eighty

590
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Speaker 3: five percent of it was that would actually type something

591
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 3: back was negative, like I just can't imagine living like that.

592
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that this means that Mike Tomlin can

593
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Speaker 2: never be criticized and all right deserves a contract for life.

594
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Speaker 3: Or I'm even gonna pick him to beat the Bill.

595
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 3: I mean, let alone what happens the rest of the season.

596
00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 3: But it's nuts.

597
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 2: So a lot going for Josh Allen and the Bills

598
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 2: coming off a loss, a lot going for Mike tom

599
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 2: And and the Steelers coming off.

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Speaker 3: Those are impressive numbers. That's hard. Times are tough after

601
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 3: a loss in the NFL, absolutely right, right.

602
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 2: The Bills have lost four of their last seven, Pittsburgh

603
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 2: has lost four of their last six. Both teams are

604
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 2: coming off a loss.

605
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, all right.

606
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 2: Matt led Zeppelin your favorite band of all time?

607
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 3: Right? Yes, number one?

608
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,239
Speaker 2: My second favorite band of all time? Okay, Grateful Dead

609
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 2: number one?

610
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 3: One? Right?

611
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 2: Do you want the good times? Robert Plant? Do you

612
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 2: want the bad times? Jimmy Page?

613
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 3: Good first?

614
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 2: Good times first? Okay. The Bills averaging twenty three point

615
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 2: two points on the road this season, as opposed to

616
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 2: thirty two point five at home. Buffalo on average scores

617
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 2: about nine ten points less per game on the road

618
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 2: than they do at home.

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Speaker 3: And then we're deep enough in the season, there might

620
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Speaker 3: be something to it.

621
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Speaker 2: Yeah, one million percent.

622
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, And those things are always hard to decipher. So

623
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 3: those two years ago when the when the Browns defense

624
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 3: was unbelievable. Last year, it was okay. Two years ago,

625
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 3: their numbers home versus road defensively were ridiculous, Like it

626
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 3: was almost hard to score on them at home, and

627
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 3: they were just like slightly below average on the road.

628
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 2: We'll give you eleven points a game at home, right,

629
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 2: but twenty three on the road.

630
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 3: It was still twenty two on the road. They good players,

631
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Speaker 3: but I mean at home it was like they're unbelievable,

632
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 3: you know, and you get deep enough in the season,

633
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 3: you think that is probably a big enough sample size,

634
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 3: although statisticians will be like, that's not even close to

635
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 3: big enough statis size. You're talking about five games versus

636
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 3: six games. That's nothing, dude, So I don't know that stuff.

637
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 3: Despite citing stats, I am not some people like there

638
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 3: will be even people that are statisticians or analytics folks

639
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 3: that will type things to me and say that one

640
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 3: really doesn't mean anything like maybe whatever, but for whatever reason,

641
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 3: Buffalo is clearly worse on offense on the road.

642
00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 2: Yes, and the numbers back that up.

643
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it makes so of course. That's why I

644
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 3: do these numbers is I want to know why, and

645
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 3: I can't really come up with much. I mean, maybe

646
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 3: they played tougher defenses, they played Houston on the road.

647
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 3: I mean it could be that. It could be that simple.

648
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 3: I mean I didn't look at it enough, but it

649
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 3: makes me think too, like is it a communication thing?

650
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 3: You know, is the noise that they as good as

651
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 3: getting the plays in or communicating things to the receivers

652
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 3: or something that simple that they're you know.

653
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 2: It could be a combination of both.

654
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but that is that is a good time.

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Speaker 2: So that was the when I made the good times

656
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Speaker 2: and the bad times here. I was like, oh, that's

657
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Speaker 2: that's nice. That they're scoring about nine points less a

658
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 2: game on the road than they do at home. They've

659
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 2: been held under twenty points.

660
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 3: And Allen's numbers are much different home versus road. Different.

661
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 2: It takes Sacks. I loves it takes Sacks road.

662
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 3: Now again, Williams loves it takes loves now. Some of

663
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 3: it's coming off a game in Houston where you took eight,

664
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 3: Like if we cited this one week ago, it wouldn't

665
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 3: look wouldn't look as bad, right, But that's also the

666
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 3: most recent game that matters.

667
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,959
Speaker 2: And what if my dad's you're only as good as

668
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 2: your most recent performances.

669
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 3: And the other one. I mean that just a side note.

670
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 3: His numbers with and without kincaid are really start to

671
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 3: big time, Yeah.

672
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 2: Big time. Let's get into some more good signs for

673
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 2: the Steelers. The Bills have a turnover differential on the

674
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 2: year of minus two. That's so not like, so not

675
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: like that. Last year Buffalo and Pittsburgh were first and

676
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 2: third respectively in the league, and turnover differential Buffalo is.

677
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 3: A distant one. Just unbelievable.

678
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were unbelievable last year. Bills were negative three

679
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 2: in the turnover battle last week on the road in Houston.

680
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: Steelers turnover differential plus eight this year twenty takeaways, second

681
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 2: in the league behind only Chicago and also Matt The

682
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 2: Bills minus two sack differential on the year, where the

683
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 2: Steelers are plus thirteen. So we talk about.

684
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 3: So many more bad plays for Buffalo's offense than there

685
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 3: used to be.

686
00:30:54,840 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 2: We talk about the holy trinity of win indicators, turnover difrential,

687
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 2: sacked differential, explosive play differential. I'll get to explosive play

688
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 2: differential in the bad time.

689
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 3: You're horrendous.

690
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, but in the turnover differential and in the sack differential,

691
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 2: they are much better than Buffalo.

692
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 3: Much better, much better, much better. And they don't have

693
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 3: their two tackles this game.

694
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 2: They do not have two starting offensive tackles for this.

695
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 3: I can't harp on that enough. Right.

696
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 2: Against running plays out of twelve and thirteen personnel, Buffalo

697
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: allows a league high six point seven yards per carry.

698
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 3: Now they're bad against all Their run defense is flat

699
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 3: out bad. But we open the show with this, you know,

700
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 3: like they want to be light, Steelers want to be heavy.

701
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 3: Twelve and thirteen personnel is heavy. And that's not the

702
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 3: Darnel Washington over the top factor or the Calvinander or

703
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 3: the Spencer Anderson I did that too often factor too. Yeah.

704
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 2: Right, they're both offensive linemen. They both have the same

705
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 2: last name.

706
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 3: Steelers are going to bigger people. I was listening to

707
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 3: a podcasts this morning and said, Darnel Washington is bigger

708
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 3: than every Bills defender that will see the field in

709
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,959
Speaker 3: this game except for one. Wow.

710
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 2: Context there that really puts it into context.

711
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 3: He weighs more than anyone on everyone that they will

712
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 3: put on the field on defense except for one.

713
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 2: That's wild. I love that statu last one for the

714
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 2: good times here for the Steelers before we take a

715
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 2: break and maybe get into some of the concern Josh Allen.

716
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 2: You mentioned pressure, pressure rate, pressure to sack rate. Yeah, yeah,

717
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 2: Josh Allen last year led the league in pressure to

718
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: sack rate.

719
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 3: Didn't take sacks, meaning even when he.

720
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 2: Was pressured, he found a way to not take sacks.

721
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 3: Yep.

722
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 2: Getting back to your offseason thesis that we spent a

723
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,959
Speaker 2: ton of time on of sacks are as much a

724
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 2: quarterback stat as they are an offensive line stat, if

725
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 2: not more so. Last year Josh Allen was best in

726
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: the league at that This year down to twenty seventh. Yeah,

727
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: bottom of the barrel of the NFL.

728
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 3: And he deserves some of the blame. I mean, I

729
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 3: think they're allowed some of their scheme stuffs a little

730
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 3: goofy too. They're allowing a lot more unblocked pressures, which

731
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 3: are obviously harder to get out of the way of

732
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 3: because nobody even touched this dude, you know, Like, you know,

733
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 3: I mean even if I am Allan or Ben in

734
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 3: his prime, that's still tough. But I think he's also not.

735
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 3: And maybe I'll kick this coverage a little bit over

736
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 3: it last year, Like if we look back at Alan's

737
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 3: unbelievable Hall of Fame career, we might go twenty twenty

738
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 3: four was the best sack avoidance of his life, you know.

739
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 2: I mean he may have peaked, you know, and it

740
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: was an MVP season for a reason. Yeah, I mean,

741
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 2: you're the MVP.

742
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 3: You're the best player in the league, you know, So

743
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 3: maybe it's crazy to even put him to that standard.

744
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 3: But it's a problem for them. I mean, he's going down.

745
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 2: No doubt, and some of that's with his tackles. Some

746
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 2: of that Matt might be like, it kind of screams

747
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 2: to me, the the golfer who's in a bit of

748
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 2: a drought, so he starts gripping the club a little

749
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: too tight, yeah, and trying a little too much, getting

750
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 2: outside of his game.

751
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 3: I think the other part player that's on.

752
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna switch my stands up a little bit.

753
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 3: Sometimes hitters will be like, then that pitch looks like

754
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 3: a beach ball. Yeah, sometimes, you know.

755
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: Right, looks like a ping pong right.

756
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 3: Like a babie, you know, all right? But I also

757
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 3: think too, he's not as the timing with his receivers

758
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 3: are letting him down to like this guy's not coming

759
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 3: out of his break on time. I mean, Keon Coleman's

760
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 3: all over the place. Shakiir is the only guy I

761
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 3: can trust, but he's not an upper level player. Yeah,

762
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 3: we run the ball great, but who's my Stepan Diggs? Boy?

763
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 3: I miss you stuff on? You know that type of thing.

764
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 3: I think that's part of it too, Like come on,

765
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 3: where you're at, Sach? You know where are you at? Zach?

766
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 2: All right, So there's the good times.

767
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 3: Now, this game is so lopsided both ways, good bad, rare.

768
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 3: We could sing good times, bad times the whole day.

769
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 2: You know, I've had my share in the days of

770
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 2: my youth, I was taught what it means to be

771
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 2: a man. Let's take a break. We'll get into some

772
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: of the concerning underlying statistics and analytics as it relates

773
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: to Steller's bills. Sunday at Akroser stadium will do that

774
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 2: to close down the first hour of the program. When

775
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 2: we return. Wesh Matt Williamson, It's the Drive on Steelers

776
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 2: Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network.

777
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven

778
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

779
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 2: Now I've reached that age. I've tried to do all

780
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,720
Speaker 2: those things the best I can, good times, bad times.

781
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: Rolling through Matt's stats packet. Here we're having some fun

782
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 2: and today's one of those fly on the wall days.

783
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 2: And here all right, if we could.

784
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 3: Uh, there's nobody in this building.

785
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 2: First, there's nobody in this building. We're all I mean,

786
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 2: Matt is dressed much better than TV and I. TV

787
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 2: and I are in our.

788
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 3: Are in our blackform, Like I have to wear this.

789
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 3: I'm the powers of be pretty much told us again.

790
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 3: I also don't have any kind of like bummy official

791
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 3: Steeler sweatshirts.

792
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got this.

793
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 3: That that's bummy.

794
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 2: I got this cool, just a simple Steelers. So I

795
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 2: actually really like this, Like it's just a if you're

796
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 2: not watching on YouTube, it's just a black Steelers that

797
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 2: a little I have so.

798
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 3: Many golf shirts I need to request something like that,

799
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 3: and I have nothing that's like warm either.

800
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: When I was in Chicago last weekend, you know, I went,

801
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 2: we went to the Bulls game, and so they have

802
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 2: a massive team shop there at the United Center. Yeah yeah, yeah,

803
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 2: and I filled with not only bull stuff, but Blackhawks

804
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 2: stuff as well. And you know, my dad, my dad,

805
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 2: uh you know, once was you know, I was like,

806
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 2: I'm gonna look for something for the old man. Everything now, Matt,

807
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 2: it's like big logos and bulky and busy.

808
00:36:58,760 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

809
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 2: The fashion now amongst young people are busy. And I

810
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: don't like busy easy black little Steelers crest on it.

811
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 2: I don't like no busy out there, Matt.

812
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 3: Let's get into this bad times.

813
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 2: Let's get into the so the the last segment was

814
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 2: glass half full encouraging, and there's a lot there, absolutely,

815
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 2: but let's get into some some glass half empty, maybe

816
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 2: some more pessimistic if the Steelers come up empty on Sunday.

817
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 2: Reasons why the Steelers are one of four teams to

818
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 2: lead every game they've played in the NFL this season.

819
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 2: Only four teams can say that they've had a lead

820
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 2: in every game they've played. The other teams beside the

821
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 2: Steelers that can say that are twenty five and eight

822
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,479
Speaker 2: combined record. The Steelers are six and five.

823
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 3: That's the first I heard that. I pulled that out

824
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 3: of a different get.

825
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 2: Your thought behind that one, because on the surface, I

826
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 2: think it indicates that the Steelers haven't been as strong

827
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 2: at per detecting leads as maybe the other teams.

828
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 3: I think that's on Now, if you cut the sentence

829
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 3: off of you're only one of four teams, you're amongst

830
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 3: the best teams in the league. So I think we

831
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 3: can all recognize that the Steelers aren't one of the

832
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 3: best four teams in the league. So if I'm comparing

833
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 3: myself to them, yes, I fell short, you know, in

834
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 3: terms of finishing the deal. And I'm sure Philadelphia, if

835
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 3: they're one of them, is better at it, you know,

836
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 3: or whoever, maybe the Colts were one of them. I'm

837
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 3: just guessing who the teams are. I don't know the

838
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 3: other ones are.

839
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're in the Rams, if you're in company

840
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: with like the Rams, the Eagles, and the Colts, that's

841
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: a pretty good company to be.

842
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 3: And I bet their leads are greater. I mean, they're

843
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 3: probably winning by twelve, not three, you know. But the

844
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 3: fact that you've led every game is also pretty darn good.

845
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 3: And like Rob brings us up a lot, and his

846
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 3: memory is better than mine of how this game exactly?

847
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 3: Remember that third eight against Green Bay. I'm like, no,

848
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 3: I don't.

849
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 2: Kinger is like Sean mcvayl hoo DEENI with that stuff.

850
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 3: With that stuff, right, I remember they were fourteen.

851
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: In the third quarter against Jacksonville.

852
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 3: Actually that's been.

853
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 2: Nine years eleven years ago.

854
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 3: Brother, I don't remember this year. Yeah, but he'll be

855
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 3: like they were leading this week two, right, right, right.

856
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 3: I'm always looking like a head. I know it's coming.

857
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 2: The amount of times I've had to this year say

858
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 2: to myself, wait, who do the Steelers beat on the

859
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: road week one? Again? Was it the the Jets?

860
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 3: That's right, it feels like one hundred years ago.

861
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 2: I do that once a week.

862
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

863
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm the same way, but I look forward more

864
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 3: than you know. Yes, you know, like I'm gonna start

865
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 3: Ravens Matt's stats tonight, you know, like that kind of stuff.

866
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 2: My grandpa would always say, your your windshield is much

867
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 2: bigger than your rear view mirror for a reason.

868
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's me. But and I have my memory

869
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 3: just falls apart. The rob will often cite that, you

870
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 3: know that, even all the their losses, he'll show you

871
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 3: where almost to the play, how deep in the game

872
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 3: they were very, very in it, or had a lead.

873
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 3: He is really good, really good at that.

874
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 2: IM like, wow, but like you remember when you started

875
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter against the Packers, you still had a lead. Yeah,

876
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,919
Speaker 2: now they scored on the first play the first fourth

877
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 2: quarter to take the lead. But you're right.

878
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, yeah, I forget exact that one in

879
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 3: complete pass doesn't get dropped. Then they have the lead

880
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 3: for another five minutes and you know how the game go. Yeah,

881
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 3: that's great what you're looking at it. I just don't

882
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 3: see it that way. So I think there is something

883
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 3: to be said to that, because their losses aren't against

884
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 3: bad teams, and even the Bengals losses looking better and better.

885
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 3: They're playing better, their defense has actually gotten a little better,

886
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 3: their run games gotten a lot better.

887
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 2: Weird things happen on the road on Thursdays. Saw that

888
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,439
Speaker 2: yesterday in the NFL.

889
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 3: Yes, and especially in Division especial.

890
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 2: I say that in two of the three teams that

891
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 2: won were the road teams.

892
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 3: But that's true. So I don't know how to make that.

893
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 3: I mean, like, I threw that one out on Twitter too,

894
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 3: and some people wrote back that were not all of

895
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 3: them were terribly mean people either. They were just like,

896
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 3: I wonder if age has something to do with it,

897
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 3: you know, defensive age in particular, like there could be

898
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 3: something to that. I'll buy that. Yeah, I'm in on

899
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 3: that absolutely. Yeah, yeah, and I need to double check it.

900
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 3: But I think the Steelers third quarter point differentials pretty bad,

901
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 3: which is weird because last year was total obvious that's.

902
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 2: In the league. Yeah, it was if you were listing

903
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 2: the terrible in the first quarter, if you were doing

904
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 2: the uh you know, like putting together the Steelers DVD

905
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 2: or the Steelers magazine, the year in review like teams

906
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 2: used to do all the time before everything was on YouTube,

907
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 2: and yeah, you could go rewatch everything at the drop

908
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 2: of a hat.

909
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 3: Halftime adjustments would be a big thing. Right, here's a

910
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 3: results of their halftime adjustment. They're really good.

911
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 2: That was one of the stories of the things they

912
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 2: did well last year, and that would be in the

913
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 2: top five. They had the best third point differential in

914
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 2: the entire league. They were really good out of the half.

915
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 3: They were always losing like crazy after the first quarter,

916
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 3: the worst number thirty two.

917
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,439
Speaker 2: It's been kind of the opposite out of this year

918
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 2: where it felt. It's felt like they've been in a lead,

919
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 2: still a decent amount, but they haven't been able to

920
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 2: hang on to it, and they've ended up saying they were.

921
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 3: Really new coaches. But they do have a new quarterback,

922
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 3: they have new players. Maybe teams have figured something out.

923
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 3: I'm sure that happens all the time. I don't have

924
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 3: a great answer for that, but I'm not even sure

925
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 3: that belongs in the bad stats. You're a good time

926
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 3: bad times, you know, like, yeah, the three best teams

927
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,720
Speaker 3: in the league that have had leads have really good records.

928
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 3: You're not one of the three best teams in the league,

929
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 3: but in this category, you're with them. And that you

930
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 3: never play, you never get beat bad.

931
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 2: You're not going out there and you're not getting decisively

932
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 2: defeated for sixty minutes.

933
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, I'll never forget Dale and I break them

934
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 3: down now. I do remember this game, rememberhen they opened

935
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 3: with the Niners two years ago?

936
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 2: Here do I ever?

937
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 3: I mean, that was a very memorable game.

938
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,479
Speaker 2: Well previously thirty five seven Diners and.

939
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 3: Party's coming off injury. I'm like, this is exactly when

940
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 3: you get the Niners. You know, we got more and

941
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 3: more optimistic as we came home. Yeah, there's been any

942
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 3: games like that like this. It was over First War,

943
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 3: forget about it.

944
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 2: You know there were a lot of a lot of

945
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 2: Niners fans at Agrocer Stadium that day too.

946
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

947
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Eddie de Bartelow and company were busting

948
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: them in from Young, Yeah, from Young's time. Let's get

949
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 2: into some individuals here. Matt Jalen Warren has played just

950
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 2: ten total third down snaps over the last four games,

951
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 2: forty for Kenneth Gainwell.

952
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 3: Is it the Chargers game where he played zero zero

953
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 3: on third downs? So really bothered me.

954
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 2: I'm not really good at math, but for the Steelers

955
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 2: last I can even I can do this one. For

956
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 2: the Steelers last fifty third downs, Jalen Warren's been on

957
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 2: the bench for eighty percent of them. Yeah, I can

958
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 2: do the math on that one. That ain't great.

959
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 3: That ain't great.

960
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 2: And you and I I'm saying this, I know you

961
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 2: echo this. We are fans of Kenneth Gainwell. We've been

962
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 2: very importing. See by what he's done this year, in

963
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 2: particularly the last.

964
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 3: Couple of weeks, and he's earned a role.

965
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 2: He's earned a role. I won million percent. But I

966
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 2: don't want Jalen Warren on the bench eighty percent of

967
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 2: the time on third downs.

968
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 3: So I do the pregame show. I did a pre

969
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 3: pregame show, and then I do the pregame show. Just

970
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:57,919
Speaker 3: a hit from the phones. And it was before last game,

971
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 3: I guess it was. And pursued is asking me about

972
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 3: third down in the back situation.

973
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 2: And the Steelers third down conversion percentage has been alright,

974
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:06,280
Speaker 2: to be fair.

975
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 3: But going into that game it was horrendal.

976
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: They were.

977
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, they were like fifteen percent. But there were

978
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 3: three games in a row where combined they were fifteen

979
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 3: percent on third downs. Bad. And I basically said, well,

980
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 3: taking your best player off the field in that situation,

981
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 3: which is a crucial situation, can't possibly be. You can't

982
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 3: convince me that was the right move. Time sat right, right, right,

983
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 3: I mean, And so I think there's a couple sides

984
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 3: of this. First off, Warren, to me in a vacuum,

985
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 3: as he proved in the nausea years, is an exceptional

986
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 3: third down back. I mean, He's one of the best receiving, running,

987
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 3: protecting backs in the league and especially third down duties.

988
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 3: Great in protection, phenomenal after the catch, all those things.

989
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 3: So I think they would love to use him as

990
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 3: a third down back more, you know, And we've seen

991
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 3: that for most of his career, and I think the

992
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 3: Caleb Johnson effect of not being trustworthy yet has still

993
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 3: has a very much a ripple effect through the entire backfield.

994
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 3: Usage A big back would put these guys in their

995
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 3: place better. And Gamewell's great on third down. He's a

996
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 3: great receiving back too. I mean, there's some numbers in

997
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 3: there that are really really favorable for Gainwell and Warren

998
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 3: as receivers. But my problem is third downs aren't know

999
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 3: created equal. I mean, third and two isn't third and twelve?

1000
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,439
Speaker 3: And I do think they're gonna They're slightly gotten away

1001
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 3: from this where I almost don't care what down it is.

1002
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 3: I almost care more about the situation. And Gamewell's proven

1003
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 3: the vikings this past couple of weeks. He's fine on

1004
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 3: first and ten, you know what I mean, Like I

1005
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 3: would rather Warren this is your series, Gainwell, this is

1006
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 3: your series, and Warren gets sixty five percent of the

1007
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 3: usage Gainwell gets thirty five.

1008
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,240
Speaker 2: Not yep, it's third down, you're coming out of the game,

1009
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 2: especially when it's third and two. I want Jalen Warren

1010
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 2: in there.

1011
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, eight zero.

1012
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 2: If it's third and eight, I've got no problem with Gainwell.

1013
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 3: He's great out of the backfield exactly. And I think

1014
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 3: that they and myself too looked at Gainwell like he

1015
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 3: can only do sure third and long stuff, But he's

1016
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 3: proving to be able to do.

1017
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,479
Speaker 2: More in a way, his perception has changed.

1018
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 3: Ye right, right, right, So maybe it's more of a

1019
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 3: equal usage, non as dependent going forward, because this was

1020
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 3: a little better this past week. But the day that

1021
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 3: Warren had zero third down snaps when they were really

1022
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 3: really struggling on third down made me want to pull

1023
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 3: my hair out. Yeah, I agree.

1024
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 2: More on Warren, more on DK metcalf, more on explosive

1025
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 2: play differential that I said we would get to when

1026
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 2: we were talking about turnovers and sacks. We'll do that

1027
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 2: to start our number two halfway home here on the drive.

1028
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: E'ler Williamson on your twenty four to seven home with

1029
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,400
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1030
00:46:58,440 --> 00:46:59,160
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