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Speaker 2: Touchdown Kyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces. Oh

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Speaker 2: that was nasty right there, right slam the ground by

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Speaker 2: fooda baker like a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield.

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Speaker 2: I ain't scared of nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 2: Some old saying that if you're talking about the weather,

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Speaker 2: you have nothing to talk about. A contrary. Come on,

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Speaker 2: that's not true. As I read you the weather forecast

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Speaker 2: for today, you're ready is National Weather Service Hot and

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Speaker 2: humid again today, with heat innesses around or just above

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Speaker 2: one hundred degrees. Isolated to scattered thunderstorms expected this afternoon

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Speaker 2: and a few severe storms are possible damaging wind guss

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Speaker 2: and that's the weather forecast for Indianapolis, so one hundred

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Speaker 2: one hundred with storms and humidity.

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Speaker 3: So just maybe night practices will be better.

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Speaker 2: Be thankful you're missing it, and it'll be gone by

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Speaker 2: this weekend, and then by the time you arrive next

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Speaker 4: Well again, don't forget night practices when you're in the

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Speaker 2: So it just reminds me, you'll you need to bring

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Speaker 2: your bucket hat. Danny reminds me of Minnesota last year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I got a lot of flack when I would

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Speaker 5: Was it a Viking's bucket hat? Oh No, that was

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Speaker 2: That was wolf that was It wasn't just a bucket hat.

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Speaker 2: It was a fifty five dollars bucket hat that he

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Speaker 4: No, because as soon as the equipment got I saw

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Speaker 3: That was a hot joint practice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, yeah, yes, it was a ninety nine degrees,

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Speaker 2: temperature swing, you know, for everything that Arizona is. So

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Speaker 2: there you go, final week at Cardinals camp and then

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Speaker 2: they're going to head out to Indianapolis, and I guess

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Speaker 2: we're to the point where we need some takeaways. What

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Speaker 2: has stood out? What is the headline? If you're putting

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Speaker 2: a couple of headlines on asycardinals dot com, you're telling

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Speaker 2: Darren to take the day off, Danny, what would be

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Speaker 2: your headline? Right?

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Speaker 3: It would never be so bold to tell Darren to

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Speaker 3: and stronger. That chemistry has really taken off all that

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Speaker 3: The running backs room is also intriguing. I just think

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Speaker 5: For me, it's a couple of things. Wilson absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I started this camp saying what can wide receiver

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Speaker 2: So it's top five and rushing and there were certain

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Speaker 2: If Darius Robinson was a stock I would bye bye

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Speaker 3: I don't sensitive subject right now. I mean you followed

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Speaker 2: By low. When there's blood in the streets, you gotta

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Speaker 2: just the buzz. There's a few truths in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: One is players, no players, And when other guys bring

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Speaker 3: He's got a nice combination of the size with the

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Speaker 3: and he's won some impressive, what Darren was saying, some

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Speaker 3: can see the veterans LJ. Collier and Blon Nichols hyping

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Speaker 3: Robinson has looked every bit of what you would expect

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Speaker 3: be a starter early on? I'm not sure. I do

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Speaker 3: I don't necessarily and given the rotation this defense uses,

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Speaker 3: I don't even know that being a starter on the

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Speaker 3: earned it, but that doesn't concern me if Robinson isn't

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Speaker 3: a starter weeks one through four is my point. And

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Speaker 3: when you're talking about players that are calling out other

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Speaker 3: all training camp. I actually talked with linebacker Kaiser White

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Speaker 3: and I was asking Kayzer getting this first look at

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Speaker 3: mentioned Greg Dortch by name. That was the one player

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what the whole Darius Robinson and Kyle

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Speaker 2: Vanenbosch was the first one to point it out in

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Speaker 2: And then in the locker room, I was trying to

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Speaker 2: out there, Darnell Dockett interesting, really interesting. And so to

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Speaker 2: your point, Danny, which where is this tracking? Let me

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Speaker 2: tell you. If Darius Robinson keeps escalating his game like

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Speaker 2: that continues through the rest August, I think he is

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Speaker 2: a few issues with the depth chart as currently constructed.

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Speaker 2: We'll mention this to the coaches, yet, can we protest

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Speaker 2: the depth chart? I'm gonna do that a little bit later.

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Speaker 2: Am I allowed to disagree with the construction that.

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Speaker 5: Disagree?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I don't have disagree. I think I'm a little

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Speaker 4: See I looked at it, and the first thing I

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Speaker 4: thought of was like, I wasn't surprised at anything. I mean,

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Speaker 4: is there anything in there that surprised you that we

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Speaker 3: Was surprised to see Roy Lopez as when you're starting

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Speaker 4: But he's been running with the first team since OTAs

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Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like it's been a good rotation.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I feel like when they're in the base defense,

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm just.

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Speaker 2: Saying most of my quibbles, and I'll say it quibbles

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Speaker 2: would be is bringing down the whole coaching staff back

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Speaker 2: end of the chart. And by the way, there's a

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Speaker 2: big disclaimer at the top of the depth chart. I'm

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Speaker 2: quoting now as prepared by the team media relations department.

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Speaker 2: So this is this Is this a byproduct of the

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Speaker 4: Let me ask a question that we don't need to answer.

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Speaker 4: Do you think that this anybody on this staff would

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Speaker 4: put out anything football related without it being approved by

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Speaker 2: I don't. It's an honest question. I don't know, and

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Speaker 2: I'm giving you an honest question back. Okay, So, like,

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Speaker 2: for example, I'll just go Xavier Weaver fourth team, behind

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Speaker 2: Andre Bacelli, behind Tejeon Palmer. Uh No, that's an absolute No,

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Speaker 2: at this point, I put him neck and neck with

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Speaker 2: Zach Pascal on the second team Michael.

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Speaker 5: Carter because you want your pick to hit Michael Carter.

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Speaker 2: Fifth running back Michael Carter behind DJ Dallas in the

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Speaker 2: running back rotation. I thought that was a let's let's.

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Speaker 5: Stop right there.

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Speaker 4: Okay, if we've determined I don't say we determined it,

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Speaker 4: but if we have seen that Amrio de Mercado has

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Speaker 4: seems like he's gonna be on this team, right yep,

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Speaker 4: So your fourth running back has to be special teams excellence.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, I put A mari ahead of

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Speaker 2: Trey Benson, but Trey Benson is second team running back

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Speaker 5: Doesn't surprise me.

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Speaker 4: But anyways, do we really think Michael Carter is gonna

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Speaker 4: be better on special teams than DJ Dallas?

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Speaker 2: Is that a running back depth chart or is that

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Speaker 2: the special team's depth chart.

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Speaker 4: It's a when you build a fifty three man roster

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Speaker 4: that has to be taken into consideration. No, they're not

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Speaker 4: gonna have five running backs, do you think.

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Speaker 2: Well when you have? But you have special teams also

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Speaker 2: listed in the depth chart. So there's where DJ Dallas

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Speaker 2: to me his first team and where he he should

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Speaker 2: be behind a Michael Carter in the running back room.

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Speaker 2: That's the way I view at depth chart.

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Speaker 2: By the way, speaking with Mari Demurcatto in the whole

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Speaker 2: We talked to Amma Kramer about this and he told

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Speaker 5: I'm not talking anymore. Sorry.

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Speaker 2: How is Big Mo? Third Team? I mean? Is that

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Speaker 2: It's the it's the seniors.

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Speaker 5: There's only so many big mo's you can have.

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Speaker 4: sure we'll talk about that in a minute, but uh,

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Speaker 2: Just more reason to calm Big Mo.

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Speaker 4: Marquise Haynes Senior, one time fourth round pick of the Panthers,

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Speaker 5: Games of two years before.

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Speaker 4: He has fourteen career sacks, and I've been told he's

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Speaker 4: Again, he's not a guy who's going to come in

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Speaker 3: No, I wasn't. I think if that was what the

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Speaker 4: If they I have no doubt that if they somehow

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Speaker 5: And and that's what.

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Speaker 2: Still gives you the option the end of camp. Not

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Speaker 3: I'm just wasn't it Chase Young? Who? On that one

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Speaker 2: not unlike when the Cardinals traded for Chandler Jones.

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Speaker 5: I don't I see what you're saying. Again.

436
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Speaker 4: The sweat thing makes me hesitate because I do not

437
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:46,280
Speaker 4: see Monte Austin Ford trading for a guy who is

438
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Speaker 4: then going to be looking for a giant contract extension.

439
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Speaker 5: I just don't see it.

440
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Speaker 2: Here. Here's the rub though, When you do a rebuilding,

441
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 2: you start winning, how are you going to get that

442
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 2: guy all of a sudden you're picking in the middle

443
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Speaker 2: of the first round. You're right, how are you getting

444
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Speaker 2: that franchise?

445
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Speaker 3: And I could see the Cardinals having a set edge

446
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,200
Speaker 3: guy and then using rotation more so on It's maybe

447
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 3: still rotating him out, maybe not every snap, but I

448
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,199
Speaker 3: could see if they get to the point and that

449
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 3: really is the difference maker of adjusting the type of

450
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Speaker 3: rotation that they're currently using.

451
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Speaker 4: But to me, you have to be absolutely sure that

452
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 4: that's the guy, because I I mean, again, if you're winning,

453
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,880
Speaker 4: it's a little bit different of a thing. But let's

454
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Speaker 4: also remember that as of right now, I don't even

455
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Speaker 4: know if they have seven draft picks right now. Next year,

456
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 4: do they, I fit, Maybe they do, but it's just seven,

457
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Speaker 4: like there's no extra picks now. And for somebody who

458
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Speaker 4: likes to work in the draft, I just wonder.

459
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Speaker 5: About you know.

460
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 4: Again, you could be right and if they're six and three,

461
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 4: that could change the equation, but it's not happening right now,

462
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Speaker 4: and I.

463
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Speaker 2: Think they want to find out what is zaving Collins

464
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:05,120
Speaker 2: guard deck Xavier Thomas, but it's still an unknown. Mac

465
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 2: Wilson Senior three straight games in December last year for

466
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Speaker 2: New England. In limited snaps, he had a sack in

467
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 2: each game. So, okay, what does that mean? Could you

468
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 2: get this rotation going? And we'll see. But to your point, Danny,

469
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 2: I mean I was watching the Philadelphia game last year

470
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Speaker 2: and be Jojill already chase down an Eagles running back

471
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Speaker 2: from behind. I mean the athleticism and then the ability

472
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Speaker 2: to put on the extra weight in the offseason and

473
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Speaker 2: really deliver on what the coaches had challenged him with

474
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Speaker 2: to be more stout setting the edge, you know, being

475
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Speaker 2: more forceful and defending the run. He was checking every

476
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Speaker 2: single box. So that's a tough deal, there's no doubt

477
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Speaker 2: about it. Knockunwood. You hope that's the one and only

478
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 2: significant injury of training camp as you get going. But

479
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Speaker 2: after that, you know what, I think the defensive line

480
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 2: has been fortified enough that it will allow some of

481
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Speaker 2: those guys to get free off the edge. You know,

482
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,239
Speaker 2: there'll be enough, there'll be enough to be reckoned with

483
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Speaker 2: in the interior d line by an offensive line that

484
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Speaker 2: maybe some of those guys off the edge, you're gonna

485
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Speaker 2: have a lot more success getting to the quarterback.

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Speaker 5: I could see that.

487
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Speaker 4: I mean, I will say, I mean we mentioned Robinson earlier,

488
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Speaker 4: a lot about Robinson earlier, but I mean, this defensive

489
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 4: line does look much improved.

490
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Speaker 5: It needed to be. The bar probably wasn't super high, but.

491
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Speaker 2: I'd say LJ. Coller I put a LJ. Kyler right

492
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Speaker 2: behind Darius Robinson in terms who has looked impressive at

493
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Speaker 2: least in one on one drills. When you go full speed,

494
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 2: full pads, full contact against the offensive line. Oh Jkler,

495
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Speaker 2: it's been a headache.

496
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Speaker 3: It feels deja vous to a certain sense seeing Collier

497
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Speaker 3: get his hand up and batting down some passes, because

498
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Speaker 3: that's something that stood out last training camp, and then

499
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Speaker 3: Collier got hurt Week one with a biceps injury that

500
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Speaker 3: took him out for the season. But seeing him in

501
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Speaker 3: training camp and how much he's able to get up

502
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Speaker 3: when when the pass is thrown and try and block

503
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 3: that pass as a nice reminder of oh yeah, I

504
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 3: remember seeing in like this last year too from him.

505
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Speaker 4: By the way, I need to ask a quick question.

506
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Speaker 4: I was noticing the Lions and the Giants. There's a

507
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 4: bunch of uh joint practices going on right now. Lions

508
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 4: and Giants had about seventeen fights on their first day.

509
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Speaker 2: Oh what miss it?

510
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Speaker 5: And uh?

511
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Speaker 4: One of them apparently started because Brian Dable, the Giants coach,

512
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 4: got angry at a Lion's defensive lineman for knocking thatting

513
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Speaker 4: down a pass.

514
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Speaker 5: The line of scrimmage.

515
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Speaker 4: I'm like, now, I don't know what the context was,

516
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Speaker 4: and maybe in eleven on eleven you let them do it,

517
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Speaker 4: but it's a different, different drill.

518
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Speaker 5: I don't know, But all I know is like, isn't

519
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Speaker 5: that what.

520
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Speaker 4: You're supposed to be doing, Like, why would you get

521
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Speaker 4: mad at that tell your quarterback not to throw it

522
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Speaker 4: into his hands.

523
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Speaker 3: I have been thinking, I know, we'll talk about that

524
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Speaker 3: next week before India, I'm sure. But Michael Pittman with

525
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Speaker 3: the Colts has gotten into a few fights with his

526
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Speaker 3: own teammates, and that's on that then. Yeah, but like

527
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Speaker 3: I think the first one, well.

528
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Speaker 4: Hernandez versus Michael Pittman, can they be on the field together?

529
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Speaker 2: Oh?

530
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Speaker 5: Probably not?

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Speaker 2: So Wow, Okay, I I need to brush up my

532
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Speaker 2: training camp fights videos. I didn't notice any of these.

533
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Speaker 4: Well, this is the problem with being eternally online and

534
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 4: being on Twitter all the time is I'm watching all

535
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 4: these and there's like it's New York, so like there's

536
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 4: a thousand media members there and every single one they're

537
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 4: they're videotaping apparently every single second, so there's always some

538
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 4: kind of and they did. There was like four fights

539
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 4: in the first day well, and one of them was

540
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Speaker 4: like it got pretty serious, like there were there were

541
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Speaker 4: guys throwing punches and having to be pulled out.

542
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Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, well, good thing is Jonathangann and Shane

543
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Speaker 2: Stikeen are tight so you figure, okay, they're not. You know,

544
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Speaker 2: I don't imagine one is gonna be you on and

545
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Speaker 2: another guy's player Allah, Brian Dable, Right, I think they're

546
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Speaker 2: gonna be on the same page, which is half the

547
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 2: battle going into a lot of those. I also think

548
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers is one of the reasons he skipped mandatory

549
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 2: mini camp for the Jets is because the Jets have

550
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Speaker 2: three straight weeks of joint practices. They have three different

551
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Speaker 2: joint joint practice opponents.

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Speaker 5: I think they're doing it with every single one o

553
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Speaker 5: the preseason opponents.

554
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Speaker 2: So wow, yeah, it's it's a throwback camp.

555
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Speaker 3: Yes, just relaxing.

556
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, he was so all right, what about the

557
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 2: whole backup quarterback spot? You know, as I sort of that's.

558
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Speaker 5: The depth chart one that I was like, that's the

559
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Speaker 5: one that caught my eye. You didn't even mention.

560
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Speaker 3: Ahead of Clayton Toon.

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Speaker 2: That's why I was going to bring it up on

562
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Speaker 2: its own, because you know, I got to figure out

563
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Speaker 2: in Adroit way to create controversy here you have there's

564
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 2: no quarterback controversy. Can we have a controversy over QB two?

565
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Speaker 2: Is what is Detroit? Adroit? Oh so big al Michael's

566
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: word and okay, that's that's just your gateway to make

567
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 2: any insult.

568
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 4: Nobody was saying anything about any Phone Adroit right now.

569
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Speaker 2: Clayton Tune ahead of Desmond Ridder, true or false?

570
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Speaker 5: True?

571
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 4: I think so, yes, true. It sure seems that way

572
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 4: when we're watching practice.

573
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Speaker 2: Yes, it does. So we'll see, especially against Vanilla defenses

574
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Speaker 2: in the preseason, we'll see how it goes.

575
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Speaker 4: And I was going to say, for the first time

576
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 4: in a long time, this team will has three quarterbacks

577
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 4: on the roster. I am finding it hard to believe

578
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 4: if Kyler Murray plays at all in the preseason, it

579
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 4: would seemed to me very little. So there are going

580
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 4: to be a lot of snaps for two other quarterbacks,

581
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 4: so they're each going to have their chance to show

582
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 4: against other players what it's about. But you know, I

583
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 4: it sure seems like Tunes ahead of them in terms

584
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 4: of who he's playing with. And in my opinion, Tune

585
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 4: has been a little bit better too.

586
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Speaker 2: So it's like Antonio Pierce told the media in Vegas

587
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 2: with the Raiders, you know, I don't want need any

588
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 2: noise about who's starting these games. Both quarterbacks, as they

589
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 2: do have a full blown quarterback controversy with the Raiders

590
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 2: right now, both quarterbacks will get enough reps. Yeah, that's

591
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 2: gonna be quite the doesn't matter who's starting. We'll just

592
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,239
Speaker 2: see how they perform. And so to your point, your

593
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 2: absolutely run's got an RV though, Paul. That's right. So

594
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: by the way, Richard signs from Channel twelve or Channel ten,

595
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 2: you gotta be better with the whole, the whole, the

596
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 2: whole RV thing. Richard. Come on now, you're not getting

597
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 2: that RB parking durat for the media.

598
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Speaker 5: Wait, what are we doing here?

599
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 2: Anyway? That's just an aside right there. You guys can

600
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 2: figure out Richard about that. So all right, in terms

601
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 2: of other camp storylines that you have your eyes on

602
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 2: going into the Saints game, what else where are the

603
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 2: other position battles corner Max Melton against Darling Thomas. I

604
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 2: know what the depth chart says, but that's still wide open.

605
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 4: That's to be determined, right Although Max Meltin didn't practice

606
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 4: at the Red and White, we'll see how long he

607
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 4: might be sidelined again this time of year, we don't

608
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 4: unless you see what happens or or it's really bad,

609
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 4: which is what happened to bj l Jalari. You don't

610
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 4: get any kind of you don't know other than the

611
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 4: coach acknowledging that he's got something. You don't know what

612
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Speaker 4: it is. So we have no idea what Max Meltain's

613
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 4: issue is. But he didn't practice the other day.

614
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 5: We'll see.

615
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 4: You know, they did just sign this hood cornerback, and

616
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Speaker 4: I'm assuming with Melton being banged up and Kee Truck

617
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 4: Clark being banged up, that that's probably a body move,

618
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 4: especially with a game coming up, because you probably don't

619
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Speaker 4: want to play your starters much at all. If so,

620
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Speaker 4: But I agree with you. I think I think Max

621
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Speaker 4: Meltins had a pretty decent camp too. I agree, But

622
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 4: Starling Thomas isn't going away if people are waiting for

623
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 4: that to just disappear, or how could this undrafted guy

624
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 4: be battling a second round pick.

625
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's such a quiet young man, but he was

626
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 2: all in in the off season. Starling means starling Thomas.

627
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Speaker 2: Max Multon's the opposite.

628
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I was gonna say Max.

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Speaker 2: Melon unbelievable interview on The Big Red Rage. I mean

630
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Speaker 2: the whole Like he has a frenetic playing style. He

631
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 2: just has a frenetic personality. He is just on point,

632
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 2: really engaging, really compelling, interesting, great to talk to. Starling

633
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Speaker 2: Thomas just very quiet, very business like. But he was

634
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 2: smart enough to attach himself to Buddha Baker the moment

635
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 2: he showed up, and that included the off season. Buddha

636
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Speaker 2: included him and a lot of his personal workouts and

637
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Speaker 2: they did a lot of stuff together and from what

638
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 2: I've seen, it's paid off. Well.

639
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 4: You talk about Zach Gershman did a great story for

640
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 4: us about Starling on Ezycardinals dot com, and you talk

641
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 4: about overcoming stuff. He suffered an ACL tear in college,

642
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 4: he found out his mother passed away literally coming off

643
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 4: the field after a game. I mean he was undrafted.

644
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 4: I mean he's been through some things and sometimes that

645
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 4: that puts a guy. You don't want to go through them,

646
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 4: but if you again get through them, it puts you

647
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 4: in a pretty good place.

648
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's enough guys in this roster at big O.

649
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 2: Jilari is looking to lean on someone who's been there

650
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 2: and done that, come back from a torn ACL. There're

651
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 2: obviously enough guys on this roster. And if not there,

652
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: how about the Olympics. How about the Brazilian gymnast who

653
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 2: his who won gold overcame three torn acls and she's

654
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 2: up there, standing above sim Owan Biles beat her out.

655
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: I mean that's right, A lot of respect for that.

656
00:31:54,520 --> 00:32:00,719
Speaker 2: That's sort of tenacity. Yeah. So anyway, quarterback two cornerback

657
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 2: to left guard, go Evan Brown. He entered camp clubhouse

658
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,479
Speaker 2: leader left guard. Is he gained ground or lost ground

659
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 2: in the left guard.

660
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 3: Battle game ground? I don't. I don't think.

661
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 2: There's a nobody challenging.

662
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 3: Him in terms of being the starter.

663
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 5: No, not Mohayes.

664
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 3: I's anything gonna be John gains.

665
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 5: Ball, Isaiah Adams, Isaiah Adams, I.

666
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 4: Think Evan Brown's your left guard when yelled a for

667
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 4: a hole comes back from his injury, which I'm assuming

668
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 4: is a knee or a leg or whatever we saw

669
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 4: him get rolled up on. But I think Evan Brown's

670
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 4: shown something. I think you're pretty settled on that off

671
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 4: starting offensive line, assuming everybody's healthy.

672
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 5: It seems like.

673
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 2: Backup tackle. I throw that out there. Jonah Williams. I

674
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 2: think he's been pacing himself in camp. He's a super veteran.

675
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 2: But you look at Calvin Beacham and a surprise contender

676
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 2: at tackle from what I understand is Elijah Wilkinson, he's

677
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 2: looked good. Was I talked to him. He was a

678
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: tackle early in his career. He's been with several teams.

679
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 2: A team a few years ago, I forget which one

680
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 2: was moved him to guard, so he said he kind

681
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 2: of got branded as a guard, but he was always

682
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 2: a tackle before then. And he said he feels very

683
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 2: comfortable at tackle. And I've had a few football personnel

684
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 2: guys tell me in the sideline they think he's a

685
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 2: better tackle than a guard, and he's performed well at

686
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 2: right tackle.

687
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 3: Wilkinson has gotten a lot of snaps, lost a couple

688
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 3: of practices as your right tackle, which also kind of

689
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 3: surprised me, just because last year we mostly saw him

690
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 3: working as a guard, and I thought that he's looked

691
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 3: pretty good at that spot. So that's interesting. Of you're

692
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 3: going to keep Isaiah Adams as as your draft pick,

693
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 3: I would imagine as even if it's practical, well, I

694
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 3: guess maybe not practice squad. You're gonna find a way

695
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 3: to keep him Isaiah Adams.

696
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 4: Yes, he's gonna be on the roster because you're not

697
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 4: He's not clearing waivers, so.

698
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 3: You're going to keep Isaiah Adams. It is an interesting

699
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 3: competition though, of Calvin Beacham or is Elijah Wilkinson now

700
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 3: in that discussion, Well, because for.

701
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 4: The same reason, you're not gonna try and put Isaiah

702
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 4: Adams on the practice squad. I think you have the

703
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 4: same problem with Christian Jones. If you want Christian Jones,

704
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 4: you can't release someone try and get him to the

705
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 4: practice squad because I think somebody out there will take

706
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 4: a chance on a physically talented tackle. And I'm not

707
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 4: saying he hasn't played well enough to be on the roster,

708
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 4: but we start talking about all these guys, they've only

709
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 4: got so many spots for offensive linemen.

710
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,919
Speaker 2: So, but Isaiah Adams and Christian Jones at this point

711
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 2: in the development really probably do belong on practice squad

712
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 2: at least that's my take. However, you're not gonna be

713
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 2: able to get away with that correct, So they're gonna

714
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 2: end up earning a spot on the fifty ten.

715
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 3: Does Wilkinson have experience on both sides because Beacham does.

716
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's enough.

717
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 2: And Kelvin Beacham is the ultimate been there, done that,

718
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 2: I've got this. Yeah, it doesn't matter where you put

719
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 2: them on the line. He's done it at some point,

720
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 2: done it at a high level, done it as a starter,

721
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 2: and nothing fazes Kelvin Beachum. There isn't a single situation

722
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 2: this regular season you could put him in an emergency

723
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 2: capacity where he's not gonna have complete confidence that he'll excel.

724
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,240
Speaker 2: So there's just and then the leadership aspect of Kelvin

725
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 2: Beachum future governor and or.

726
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 3: Cn CEO whatever he wants to do, and.

727
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 2: The price is right. I mean, he's on this team.

728
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 2: I'm just curious, you know, Elijah Wilkinson making it interesting

729
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 2: on the depth chart.

730
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 4: I don't disagree with you, but again, that's what they

731
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 4: were hoping for. When when coaches drop into that cliche

732
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 4: that we want this to be about competition everything, that's

733
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 4: what you want. You want a guy coming I don't

734
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 4: want to say out of nowhere, Elijah Wilkinson started a

735
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 4: bunch of games last year at guard. But you want

736
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 4: a guy who nobody's expecting to be in the mix

737
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 4: to play well enough to be in the mix, and

738
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 4: then all of a sudden it raises everybody's game.

739
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 2: Otherwise, backup safety, how do you handicap beyond Buddha Baker

740
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: and Jalen Thompson.

741
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 5: Well, you're cutting Rabbit apparently, so.

742
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 2: Well, there's there's the list of guys who have shown

743
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 2: up so far in camp and those who need to

744
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 2: show more. And I would say Rabbit is on that

745
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: ladder list.

746
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 4: That's just I'm not going to disagree, but I think

747
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 4: he brings enough to special teams that I don't. And again,

748
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,439
Speaker 4: he's a fourth round pick, and I know, yeah, once

749
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 4: we get here, draft picks don't matter, et cetera, et cetera.

750
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 4: And would I be completely surprised if a draft pick

751
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 4: or two got cut out of a twelve man class.

752
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 5: Maybe not.

753
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 4: But I just I feel like he's a guy that

754
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 4: they're going to want to keep around.

755
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 2: For example, fifth receiver Teyjeon Palmer, Xavier Weaver, Andre Bitchelly.

756
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting Chris Moore, Chris Moore, Well, yeah,

757
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 2: definitely Chris Moore. Special teams, Yeah, is it going to

758
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: be five receivers or is what are the odds they

759
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: keep six?

760
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 5: I don't think they keep six. I don't think they

761
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 5: can't keep six.

762
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 3: I think you make the same argument of the depth

763
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 3: chart with DJ Dallas of Xavior Weaver, who's getting a

764
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 3: lot of looks on special teams as a returner.

765
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 4: This is what we're talking about, Paul. When we're talking

766
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 4: about you have to take into account the entire roster.

767
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 2: What we really need is Jeff Rodgers for this, because

768
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 2: Jeff Rodgers has so much influence over the final five

769
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 2: spots on the fifty three. The special teams coordinator has

770
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 2: huge say with MANI and JG as to what he

771
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 2: wants from player forty eight through fifty three. Who those

772
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 2: guys like a Joey Blunt. Joey Blunt is really good

773
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: on special teams.

774
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 3: In yeah, special teams, Yes, I love them.

775
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 4: Now again, some of these guys you're gonna be able

776
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 4: to get onto the practice squad and you can elevate

777
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 4: them on a game day. And you know, Bobby Price

778
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 4: was on the practice.

779
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 5: Squad last year for a while.

780
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 4: I try to remember if Blunt was, but I think

781
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 4: Blunt was on the regular team. But you know that

782
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 4: that's the thing. Some of these guys you can do

783
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 4: that with.

784
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 3: And Paul, you looked at with the special teams competition

785
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 3: at long snapper, I did well. We love special teams competition.

786
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: Well, I'll take any competition. I mean, I'll take anything

787
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 2: we can stir up and uh, you know, focus on

788
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 2: especially get us through the second half of the preseason games. Absolutely,

789
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 2: so we'll see I mean, uh, are we thinking that's

790
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 2: a legit competition the long snapper? Yes? I mean are

791
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 2: they given Joe Shimko you know, a look a cup

792
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: of coffee and then you know he's on a sixteen

793
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 2: man practice squad. Just the whole risk reward factor of

794
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 2: changing a proven, reliable long snapper. Nothing can screw up

795
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 2: your season quicker than long snapping gone awrye.

796
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 5: I I don't. I don't disagree with that, And.

797
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 2: You're not saving a whole bunch of money going from

798
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 2: the veteran long snapper to a rookie.

799
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 4: I think I think the I think the issue would

800
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 4: be less about money and more about finding somebody who

801
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 4: can take you long term, because I don't I mean,

802
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 4: Aaron Brewer is going to continue to want it. East

803
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 4: told me he wants to continue to do this as

804
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 4: long as he can. But you know, at some point

805
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 4: you're not gonna be able to keep doing that. And

806
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 4: if you can find a guy, I mean, it's not

807
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 4: like Joe Shimko is just a I mean, he was

808
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 4: the best long snapper in college football last year my understanding,

809
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 4: and he confirmed it. I don't think he's ever had

810
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 4: a he didn't have a bad snap in college ever.

811
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not saying you're gonna get a replacement,

812
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 4: and I think you're right. There is that risk. But

813
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 4: at some point all the long somebody comes in as

814
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 4: a long snapper.

815
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 2: It's true. Still love the Aaron Brewers story how we

816
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: ended up in the NFL. Jeff Rodgers noticed him when

817
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 2: he was the Denver special teams coach, noticed him at

818
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,399
Speaker 2: San Diego State, gave him an invite. Aaron Brewer said

819
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 2: he was floored. He didn't think he had any NFL

820
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 2: future whatsoever, he said. He said. His response, and this

821
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 2: is so classic, Aaron Brewer, the most chill dude you've

822
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 2: ever met in your life. He said, well, if nothing else,

823
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 2: maybe I'll get to meet Peyton Manning. So he went

824
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 2: to Broncos camp and the rest is History's been in

825
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 2: the league more than ten years.

826
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 4: About that and again, how did that all come about

827
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 4: the Broncos. Well, in that case, the Broncos lost their

828
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,439
Speaker 4: long snapper because the Patriots gave him a bunch of money.

829
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 4: But at some point money can be a factor. Yeah,

830
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 4: you're right, it's not a huge difference, but it's not nothing.

831
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you get down to those final spots. So

832
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 2: all right, here we go down the stretch. We come.

833
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 2: Cardinals Camp twenty twenty four.

834
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 4: Hey, Paul, oh boy, I don't we You didn't you

835
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 4: didn't talk about how what you felt about Pitbull Stadium.

836
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 2: I saw that. You know who started that, Snoop Dogg.

837
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 2: Because right, there's the Snoop Dogg Bawl in Tucson. Now, right,

838
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 2: isn't the ball game in Tucson named after Snoop Dogg?

839
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,280
Speaker 4: Well, the bowl game is named after Snoop Dogg. Pitbull

840
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 4: actually bought the naming rights to Florida International University Stadium

841
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 4: for the next five years.

842
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 3: Oh cool to be to see a pit Bull concert

843
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 3: at pit Bull Stadium.

844
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 2: I mean, pit Bull had one up Snoop Dogg. Right,

845
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 2: and Snoop Dogg's getting all the multi platform coverage with

846
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 2: the Olympics, So you know, pit Bull, this is what happens.

847
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 4: Mister Worldwide is upset because Snoop Dogg is now mister

848
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,280
Speaker 4: Rowan for the Olympics, and so that's right.

849
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 2: So hey, you know what, what's the old term in

850
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 2: the corporate and just in sales period. So in this case,

851
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 2: corporate sponsorships follow the money. Snoop Dogg's got plenty of money,

852
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 2: Pitt Bull's got plenty of money. Sell them the naming rights.

853
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 2: There you go, that's what you do.

854
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 5: And they're selling pit Bulls vodka at the games.

855
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 2: Well, okay there in the.

856
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 5: Stadium where you go?

857
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 3: What does not have his hand in?

858
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm not a big pit Bull fan.

859
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 4: I just saw the story and I've thought.

860
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 2: It was so you know, you've made it when you

861
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 2: have your own line of hard liquor, right, whether you

862
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 2: know pit Bull, Connor McGregor Brian Cranston, that's quite breaking.

863
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 2: Gamita celebrities, right, just entertainers who now have their own

864
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 2: brand of you know, Kevin Costner or no, do you

865
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 2: put all his money into the new movie that Tanked

866
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 2: or whatever?

867
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 5: Ryan Reynolds has the gym?

868
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so there you go. All right? Uh you

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Speaker 2: you hear the you can the field coming in right

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Speaker 2: as proof that we're here at Cardinals camp.

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Speaker 5: For the last time.

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Speaker 4: Yes we will, We'll do we'll have a a pre Indie.

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Speaker 5: We'll have two podcasts next week.

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Speaker 2: Is by the way, the Indiana State Fair, in case

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Speaker 2: you're making.

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Speaker 3: Uh making plans, has intrigued me so far.

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Speaker 2: New food options I'll leave you this include the following

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Speaker 2: a cotton candy margarita, where there's actual cotton candy in

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Speaker 2: the margarita.

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Speaker 3: You don't like the margarita or the con candy con candy,

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Speaker 3: it'd be way too sweet for me.

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Speaker 2: Okay, here's one Danny, peanut butter and jelly chicken wings,

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Speaker 2: chicken wings.

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Speaker 5: Peanut butter jelly on a hamburger. But I'm not going

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Speaker 5: to do it with chicken.

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Speaker 2: Glazed with peeb and jay and cooked chicken wings. And

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Speaker 2: then for dessert, the new innovation is a blueberry cheesecake

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Speaker 2: stuffed elephant ear.

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Speaker 4: Huh. Isn't that like it's like a.

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Speaker 2: Big good of some sort. Is that like a doughnut?

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Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, it's like a like a flat bread,

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Speaker 4: not flat bread, but it's like flat and usually has like.

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Speaker 5: Sugar and cinnamon on it.

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Speaker 3: The State Fair is going on while we are in Indianapolis?

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Speaker 5: Is it compared to where we are?

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Speaker 3: I'm definitely gonna look as soon as I take this

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Speaker 3: headset off.

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Speaker 2: You know what all these options are missing, though, is

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Speaker 2: the deep fried component. If it's a state fair, isn't

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Speaker 2: it supposed to be deep fried?

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Speaker 5: I thought you were going to say deep fried blueberry cheesecake.

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Speaker 2: Well, because like I'm seeing here, I'm looking at my

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Speaker 2: notes from last year. Do you know what the big

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Speaker 2: item was last year at the Minnesota State Fair? Deep

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Speaker 2: fried bacon wrapped mini donuts with peanut butter and raspberry sauce.

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Speaker 5: That sounds actually excellent.

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Speaker 3: That is a lot of words than one food item, Like.

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Speaker 2: A lot of coalleries, think about deep fried bacon wrap

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Speaker 2: mini donut with peanut butter and raspberry sauce.

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Speaker 4: For somebody who pays attention so closely what he eats,

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Speaker 4: that's got to just drive Paul crazy.

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Speaker 2: Eat that's a mind blow, and that'll do it for

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