WEBVTT - The Tudor Dixon Podcast: Making Elections Fair Again 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:02.960 Hey, this is Buck Sexton and you're listening to the 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:06.160 Tutor Dixon Podcast, part of the Clay Travers and Buck 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:11.680 Sexton podcast Network. Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I'm 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:14.480 Tutor Dixon and it is great to have you tuning 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:18.400 into the podcast. My guest today recently wrote a piece 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:21.680 in The Federalists that caught my attention. Caught my attention 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:25.760 obviously because of my recent election, but he wrote about 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:30.520 the nonpartisan dark money groups Democrats are using to overtake 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:34.880 Michigan elections. Now, I've been trying to tell people all 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:38.239 about this, but conservatives don't seem to be hearing it, 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:41.159 and they don't seem to be getting that elections have changed. 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:44.080 We need to change with them if we're going to win. 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:46.680 I'm going to say that again, we have to change 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:49.279 what we're doing in elections if we're going to win, 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:52.880 because Democrats have changed what they're doing. And so that's 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:55.760 why I'm really excited to talk to my guest today. 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:58.800 The same old groups that you support right now in 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:02.280 the conservative movement, they're just not cutting it. They're not 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:05.640 cutting edge. We're going to learn about that in this podcast. 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:07.720 We're going to learn about what the Democrats are doing, 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:10.160 and hopefully that means we're going to learn about what 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:13.280 we need to be doing. So I would ask you, 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:16.440 if you are donating to groups that say they are 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:20.640 going to win elections, have them specifically tell you what 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:23.840 is your plan to win that election. What will you 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:27.000 do on the ground, what will you do to reach people? 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:30.360 You need to fully understand what they're going to do, 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:33.600 and I want you to fully understand what the other 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:36.200 side is doing. And that's why I'm joined today by 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:40.080 Sam Lair. He is a PhD student at Hillsdale College 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:43.240 right here in the beautiful state of Michigan. He's studying 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:47.520 political theory and statesmanship of the American Founding. Really, Sam, 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:49.760 I'm so excited to have you here today. I'm so 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:52.960 excited to talk about this because I'm serious. It's been 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:56.000 something that I've been trying to tell people we need 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:59.240 to change the way we're doing elections. But you have 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:02.120 the deep dive in to what Democrats are doing, specifically 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:04.040 in Michigan, So I want to get right into that. 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:05.040 Thanks for joining me. 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:07.160 So pleasure to be here. I'm excited to talk about it. 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:10.760 So first off, I want to talk about this group 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:14.839 voters not politicians, which I think we have to give 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:18.120 credit where credit is due. I mean, that sounds really 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:22.000 very focused on voters. This sounds very nonpartisan. It is 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:24.920 just something that's going to come out and help people 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:28.000 to figure out what they need to do. But they've 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:30.240 actually become quite a large group, haven't they. 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:32.160 Oh yeah. I mean, like you said, one of the 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:35.280 great things that the left is good at is marketing. 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:38.120 You know, you hear something like voters not politicians, and 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:41.360 you're like, oh, yeah, I prefer a voter over that 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:45.560 corrupt politician in Lansing or DC. But really they're they're 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:49.040 not representing the interests that they say they are. You know, 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:54.320 Voters not Politicians started after the twenty sixteen election, supposedly 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:59.519 by this young recycling activist named Katie Fahey spellcheck on 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:03.839 that name pronunciation, but you know, she supposedly sent out 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:07.400 a Facebook post talking about how she wants to tackle 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:10.359 jerrymandering in the state of Michigan. You know, she was 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:14.480 distressed by the election results and supposedly went viral, and 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:18.440 from there her star grew and other people lanched on 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:21.040 to her, and they built this massive from the ground 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:24.800 swell up of grassroots, you know, participation of the electorate, 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:28.600 and they overturned the conservative tyranny that exists in Lansing. 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:32.400 But if you dig a lot closer into what's going 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:36.480 on there, some of the things are a little bit sketchier. Obviously. 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:39.880 You know, they come off as nonpartisan, that's the thing 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.720 they like to claim. But if you look at who 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:46.080 their board is, you know, they're mostly Democrats. If you 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:48.560 look at what their platform is, they only support a 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:52.200 democratic platform. There's only one party in this country that 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:56.280 wants direct democracy, whatever that means. If you look at 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:59.440 their finances, that's what's really disturbing. You know, you mentioned 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:03.000 the dark mund groups, you know, and you know, the 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:05.120 first eye popping thing that came out to me about 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:07.480 them is they we've received two hundred and fifty thousand 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:12.040 dollars from Eric Holder's National Democratic Tradition Group. You know, 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:14.360 that's kind of a strange thing to accept from a 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:18.240 non partisan organization. But even more disturbing me the fact 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:22.640 that they've they're really funded and you know, propped up 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:27.760 by these massive whales of dark money organizations like uh, 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:31.760 these organizations tied with a group called REBELA Advisors. The 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:35.960 rebelon network. It's what it's called. They have various networks 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:38.279 and corporations that are tied to them. 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:41.359 So that is something that I want to dig in. 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:44.120 I've I've it's been called Arabella to me. I don't 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:46.440 know if that's the right pronunciation or not, but the 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:50.080 Arabella network. So this is really this is a whole 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:52.520 new way of doing elections. But this is this is 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:55.360 what the Democrats have been focused on for years and 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:58.120 we haven't really realized it. And I think the testing 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:01.200 ground for this was really Colorado. And so they looked 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:04.000 at Colorado and they said, this is a red state 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:07.440 that we believe has has holes that we can pull 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:10.479 punch into and then expand and take it to a 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:13.800 blue state. And we need a donor network. So, if 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:16.919 I'm right, Arabella is their donor network is filled with 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:21.080 donors organizations. They kind of pool that money and decide 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:23.360 where they're going to go to have the biggest impact. 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:25.000 Is that how you interpret that? 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:28.440 Yeah, there's a few of these, you know organizations. Action 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:31.760 Now Institute's another one that's ran by a you know, 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:34.799 a big liberal donor couple in Texas. But a regular 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:38.120 advisor seems to be that's a corporation, that's an actual 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:41.560 company that exists in d C. And so it's how 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:44.840 their structure work is so nebulous and strange. It's amazing 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:46.279 to me that it's legal, and they probably have a 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:48.680 good jillion lawyers, you know, to make sure that it is. 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:52.600 But so they have this for profit company owned by 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:56.800 this guy named Eric Kessler, former Clinton administration official and 0:05:56.839 --> 0:06:00.120 former field director for the Legal Conservation Voters. That one 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:03.839 advises other major liberal donors and how to spend their money. 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:08.000 At the same time, this corporation for profit corporation runs 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:13.279 this conglomerate of nonprofit five to' one c fours that 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:17.200 do all this lobbying an advocacy, like like I was saying, 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:19.479 you know, sixteen thirty funds one of the big ones, 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.880 but they've started to receive heat, so they've created a 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:25.799 new one called North Fund, so that one's become popular 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:27.760 as well, that they've been funding a lot of money into. 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:29.960 And I think they have three or four other ones, 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:32.200 and it's estimated, you know, it's hard to tell with 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.919 current finance laws, but it's estimated that they have a 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:38.000 war chest of about one point six billion, and really 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:41.800 any it's a good chance that anytime you see a 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:45.040 left wing bout initiative showing up in your state, whether 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:48.400 it be Michigan or Colorado or Montana, this money is 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:50.320 going to be behind it in some way, shape or form. 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:52.320 So what people need to know is that a ballot 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:55.440 initiative is very expensive and you can end up spending 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:58.159 millions of dollars on a ballot initiative by people. The 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:00.479 Democrats do it because it's effective. If you look at 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:03.760 the state of Michigan, marijuana was a ballot initiative that 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:06.800 brought out a lot of voters, but that also provides 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:11.080 a starting point to go out and bring in grassroots 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:14.480 to bring in people. And then you had in twenty 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:18.840 twenty two the abortion amendment, and so that was also 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:22.240 incredibly powerful and bringing out people and voters. And they're 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:24.640 picking these on purpose, so they're willing to spend the 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:27.360 money to get the ballid initiative out there to make 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:29.440 sure that they can do the campaign around that. And 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:32.600 so I think what people need to understand if you 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:35.320 are trying to figure out what Dems are doing in 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:38.520 elections and why we are losing. When we talk about 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:41.640 a C four organization This is a not for profit 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:46.200 organization that is supposed to be essentially educating you on issues, 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:50.880 but this can educate you on issues against someone or 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:53.200 for someone. So they can be going out and putting 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:56.320 out mailings that say so and so is going to 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:59.680 protect your guns, or so and so is going to 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:02.120 take your guns away, or so and so is going 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:05.400 to put guns in your school. The all of these 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:09.800 messages can be done through these organizations. And we're talking 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:13.880 about one point six billion dollars. I think in the 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:17.160 twenty twenty two or in the twenty twenty election, the 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:21.960 total spend across the political world was sixteen billion, So 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:25.800 we're talking about one point six in just this one 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:29.120 organization that can go out and turn votes. I mean, 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:33.760 they're really These operations can go anywhere from just getting 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:36.760 the message out, which could be text messaging, which could 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:39.040 be ads, it could be TV ads, it could be 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:41.840 YouTube ads, it could be ads on your websites, It 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:45.520 can be mailings, but it can also be chasing ballants. 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:46.080 Is that right? 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:48.640 Yeah. I Mean one of the other major things is 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:52.679 where this is tied into is they do a lot 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:55.880 of voter registration drives early on in a campaign cycle. 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:58.440 I first discovered this and I worked for the Trump 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:01.080 campaign in Nevada in twenty six sixteen and then for 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:03.560 Senator Dean Heller in twenty eighteen. I was always running 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:05.920 into this group called Next Gen America like who are 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:07.880 these guys? I'm like this like and then I found 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:12.360 out it was the brainchild of this liberal billionaire Tom 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:15.400 Steyer and his kind of baby that he created. And 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:18.960 you know, it's another one of those nonpartisan organizations. And 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:22.360 there I was always competing with them for voter registrations. 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:24.840 And this is something that voters, not politicians, and all 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:28.199 these groups do as well. So when they have a 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:31.600 bout initiative or a campaign or an electoral cycle that 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:35.200 they're trying to deal with, they'll spend the first part 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:38.040 of all of this just going out and registering voters 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:41.840 in mass you know, in Michigan. You know, this is 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:45.839 how effective this is is you know is questionable because 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:49.800 of the automatic voter registration, right, but somewhere like Nevada 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:53.080 where you don't have automatic voter registration, motor voter, you know, 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:54.760 that could really swing an election. 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:57.120 That is what I want to ask you about, because 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:02.160 in Michigan that's not effective because essentially everybody is automatically 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:04.679 registered to vote in this and I think it's easier now. 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:06.160 And that's one of the things that you mentioned in 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:08.400 your article is that the goal is to make it 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:11.360 so that it is as easy for the Democrats to 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:13.920 play this game as possible, and then you never get 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:17.880 another Republican in and they ultimately have the system to win. 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:20.640 We are so far behind in the system that we 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:24.920 essentially can't catch them in time if we don't really 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:27.120 start working on this. But I hear people all the 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:29.839 time that are like, you know, look at this group. 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:33.000 They're out registering voters. And that's the answer. That is 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:36.200 just a tiny, tiny part of what we have to do, 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:39.480 because the registering voters is simply the beginning, is it not. 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:42.600 It's the beginning, because you know, you register the voters 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:45.880 and then you have this base, you have this volunteer base. 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:48.760 Then on top of that, you know, they have access 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:52.520 to the absentee voter list role that every other campaign has, 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:55.880 you know, so coincidentally, when all of the apps to 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.520 the voter lists gets sent out, they have the ability 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:02.160 because of their master volunteer, to go out and you know, 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:05.000 be there and ensure that people turn in their absentee 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:07.760 ballots and they know they can inform them about the 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:10.600 issues at that very moment, which is an interesting loophole. 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:13.720 You know, in every state, you're not allowed to electioneer, 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:16.600 you know, at a certain distance from the polling you know, right, 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:19.400 you have to be thirty feet or you know, fifty 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:22.559 yards or whatever it is. But that's not a protection 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:24.640 that we extend to absentee ballots. 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:28.199 So, you know, whether it's interesting, very interesting. 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:31.680 So whether it be a Democratic candidate you know, campaign, 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:33.960 or whether it be voters not politicians, you know, they 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:37.199 can find they find out who has these absentee ballots. 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:39.720 They can go to their door, and they can do 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:42.600 their civic duty to make sure that they're properly informed, 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:44.760 you know, and they they can't fill legally, you know, 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:47.240 they can't tell them who to fill out, you know, 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:50.840 but if coincidentally they're there and they vote for that 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.679 ballot initiative, or they vote for those candidates, or they 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:58.280 receive a convincing piece of literature that helps sway their vote, 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:00.840 then you know, they're just performing their duty. And these 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:04.000 are the sort of things that we're encouraging now, especially 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:06.839 after twenty twenty. You know, we view these non parts 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:10.600 and organizations as these enlightened you know, people that just 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:13.280 care about our sacred democracy. I want to make sure 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:16.480 every vote gets counted, but they never talk about which 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:19.240 of those votes are and that they're only ever from 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:19.880 one side. 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.720 Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:29.320 a Tutor Dixon podcast. So this is how you see 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:33.240 something like a Pennsylvania happen, which I think people were 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:36.760 shocked that John Fetterman won. They're like, this is not possible. 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:40.880 This man is not even capable of putting a sentence together. 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:43.680 How could he possibly win? This is what I hear 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:47.320 over and over again, even when I'm listening to the news, 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:52.400 the right of center news or even mainstream media. They're 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:56.239 they're like, why do we not see democrats out there campaigning? 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:59.240 You don't need to campaign as a democrat if you 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:02.160 have these or organizations on the ground going door to door. 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:04.800 But also, I mean they're not just going door to door. 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:08.319 They use technology for this. They're getting them through text messages, 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:11.200 they're getting them with little videos. Little videos are showing 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:13.679 up on their phone. They have mailings going to their house. 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:18.320 This message is reinforced constantly with these people. So the 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:21.400 Democrats have figured out that it takes about nine times 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:24.080 nine voter context is the average, to get somebody to 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:27.199 agree with your issue, and then you have to get 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:30.520 their ballot in. So in the state of Pennsylvania you 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:32.040 have a lot of time to get a ballot. In 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:35.240 now Michigan you can actually vote early, and you also 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:38.559 have the absentee ballots. So how do we combat this 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:41.920 if they have these organizations? I mean, we're talking about 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:45.480 let me just put this into perspective, because when you 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:49.320 talk about the voters, not politicians, this is a group 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:53.840 that had in twenty the twenty eighteen election cycle, sixteen 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:57.360 million dollars and in our entire campaign, I think we 0:13:57.400 --> 0:14:00.520 got to maybe a little over twenty. This is a 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:02.880 group that can just do what they want in the 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:06.240 entire state. We are looking at Michigan and I think 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:09.400 about over ninety million dollars came in for Democrats in 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:14.440 twenty two and less than thirty for Republicans. How how 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:17.000 do you fight this when you have organizations that are 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:19.880 so wealthy and this is not even we haven't even 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:22.400 gotten to the organization up in Traverse City yet, because 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:25.120 I know we we sent that to you and talked 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:28.840 to you about the undocumented organizers up in Traverse City 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:30.520 that they had nine million dollars. 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:32.960 Yeah, it's a I mean, it's one of those things 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:35.920 that it's gotten so large that it's hard to even 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:38.560 you know, know when to begin to how to address it. 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:41.680 You know, part of it has to do with, you know, 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:45.520 the outcomes of Citizens United. You know, Conservatives been a 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:47.640 really long time thinking that we're always going to be, 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:50.200 you know, the party of big business and big money, 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:52.720 and now we're not in a lot of ways, you know, 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:56.160 with with woke capital becoming a thing. We have to 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:59.640 deal with the bed we made. And but you know, 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:04.520 beyond you know, the fascinating topic of a voter finance 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:08.560 or electoral finance law, I think there's a really big 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:10.640 issue in regards to how these people market, which we 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:13.240 talked about earlier. You know, part of the reason why 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:16.280 they have this bona fide that's able to be you know, 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:20.240 persuasive to voters is because they get to market themselves 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:23.440 as nonpartisan. We're not with the Democratic Party, we're not 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:27.000 with the Republican Party. We're only here to support democracy, 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:29.880 and we're only here to help this one issue, you know, 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:34.160 And I think if you force transparency and you forced 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:37.600 these people, you know, to really show their cards, and 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:40.280 you can't hide around this you know, facade of you know, 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:42.000 if this was a corporation, if this was a for 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:46.200 private corporation, this is Coca Cola doing this saying that, oh, 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:48.560 we don't have sugar in our Coca Cola, but clearly 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:51.000 they have sugar in the Coca Cola. You know, they 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:53.920 would get hit with, you know, a false advertising lawsuit. 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:56.280 So are you saying that you think that c fours 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:59.080 should have to be should have to disclose where they're 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:00.560 getting their their money from. 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:03.160 I think so. I mean, I think they're already governed 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:05.440 in a lot of ways in the same way that 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:08.600 normal corporations are, I mean a corporations. A corporation, whether 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:10.400 it's a five H one, C three or four, or 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:12.440 whether it's a for pfit corporation, you have to go 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:14.920 through more or less the same process and in a 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:17.760 lot of ways you're governed by the same laws. So 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:21.440 we have to find a way to uniformly enforce laws 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:25.560 to ensure that these loopholes for these social welfare organizations. 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:30.040 That's their technical termament for the irs, where they're not 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:33.520 able to leverage that and abuse the system and really 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:40.600 subvert our constitutional process and really disrupt and forced reforms 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:42.720 that wouldn't be possible in any other way. 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:45.200 But we know that that's not going to happen before 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:48.640 twenty four. This is going to be a huge problem 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:53.560 in twenty four And I do not hear Republicans saying 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:56.320 they're going to do this. I keep hearing people say 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:58.800 we're going to do the same thing. We'll put money 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:02.720 into the same organizationations that have not been winning elections 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:05.600 for the past four years. And I do think that 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:09.000 we got distracted after twenty twenty. I think twenty sixteen 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:12.600 was shocking to the Democrats because Donald Trump truly did 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:15.560 bring out people that had never voted before. There was 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:19.280 an anomaly there that is not going to happen again. 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:21.919 They've figured it out. After that. They doubled down on 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:24.080 this in twenty eighteen, said it's never going to happen 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:28.440 to us again. We were sitting back thinking everybody loves us, 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:32.399 and then twenty twenty happened, and twenty twenty eighteen happened. 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:35.240 People said, oh, it's a mid term. This always happens, 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:38.520 it goes to the other side. Twenty twenty happened. There 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:41.800 was all the rumbles. Oh you know that it wasn't fair, 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:46.600 this was stolen. We got distracted away from actually seeing 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:50.800 what was happening in twenty two. We weren't prepared because 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:54.560 we were distracted by the rumblings of something that was 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:57.680 not the real cause of why we lost twenty twenty. 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:02.240 So how do you get Republicans and Republican donors to 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:06.520 engage in the idea of doing an enlisting people in 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:09.560 the ground game. They used to make fun of Obama 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:12.760 for being a grassroots organizer. Turns out that was the key. 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:15.000 This isn't the best thing to say for as soon 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:16.639 to be person on the job market. You know, but 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:21.480 conservatives have to realize that Conservative inc. They're old men 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:23.840 and young men's game. You know, they're not they're not hitpon. 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:25.840 You know, all of the new things that are going on. 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:29.480 Uh and and actually, you know, let me qualify. You know, 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:32.479 five to one c fours are not new. You know, 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:35.959 legal conservation voters and legal women voters and you know, 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:38.240 all these organizations have existed for a long time. 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:40.879 It's what they're doing yeah, but they. 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:43.960 Know, you know, they know how to organize. I mean, 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:46.560 the Left, at the end of the day, since nineteen 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:49.679 hundred has been a party of activism. They were the 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:52.600 Party of Unions. Then they were the Party of civil rights. 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:56.520 Now they're the party of you know, LGBT rights and 0:18:56.560 --> 0:18:58.800 so on and so forth. You know, So they have 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:01.520 grassroots or organization in their blood. 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:04.560 But now they have technology behind that. And that's what 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:07.080 I think people are missing, and that's what I want 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:09.920 to dig down a little deeper into this. Because these 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:14.200 groups they have apps that will tell them Okay, these 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:16.480 are all the people that will be getting their absentee 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:20.040 ballot today. And then they send out people that are 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:23.679 very well organized to these people's homes and they say 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:27.080 you can turn your ballot in today right around this corner. 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:29.399 And the person says, I'll have it in on Thursday. 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:32.240 Their app on Friday morning tells them to go to 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:34.640 that person's house, check to seat. They keep going back 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:39.360 until they get that ballot. They also continue to use 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:42.680 AI to drill down and micro target these people. Okay, 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:45.399 they're going to accept this message, and that's going to 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:48.560 get them to get their ballot back. They are really 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:53.359 into the business of elections. We are still running elections 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:55.720 like this is a popularity contest and you're going to 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:57.359 come to our rally and then go vote. 0:19:57.400 --> 0:19:59.800 That's one hundred percent right, you know, I having worked 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:01.840 for the r and C, you know, to the rnc's credit, 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:03.800 you know, they have their data, and they have you know, 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:06.040 the technology, and they you know, they're trying to create 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:09.240 these grassroots stuff, but we haven't been able to replicate it. 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:11.600 You know that this is the hard point hard part. 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:13.880 Like I said, the left and the Democrats have been 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:15.959 the party of grass roots organization for you know, one 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:18.240 hundred and twenty years, so they have a leg up, 0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:20.600 and so we can't just look out their homework and 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:22.440 copy it word for word, right, because we don't have 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:24.680 the same voter base. We don't have unions, we don't 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:27.000 have the a fl CIO and all that kind of stuff. 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:30.119 So you have to find a way to mobilize the 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:32.800 voter base in a conservative way. And I think Trump, 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:34.679 to his credit, found a way to do that, you know, 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:38.720 and a lot of candidates have, you know, and finding 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:43.359 that mix in between borrowing the tools of our opponents 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:46.040 while at the same time retooling it to a way 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:49.479 that's effective for conservatives is really the question that is 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:52.200 moving forward. But we also need to keep in mind 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:54.600 that we have to find a way to cut the 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:58.040 knees out of these organizations that are forcing us to lose. Now, 0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:01.840 so you you know, conservatives think it's usually one or like, oh, 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:05.760