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Speaker 1: Hey, Welcome to Weird House Cinema. Rewind. This is Rob Lamb,

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Speaker 1: and let's see today we have an older episode of

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Speaker 1: the show that we've never rerun, so we are unearthing it.

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Speaker 1: It is the nineteen ninety one Japanese sci fi monster

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Speaker 1: films zay Ram. I may or may not be pronouncing

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Speaker 1: the alien's name correctly here. I don't recall the sights

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Speaker 1: and sounds except for the pronunciation of this alien's name.

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Speaker 1: I certainly remember mostly the sights. This one has an

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Speaker 1: amazing futuristic bounty hunter character and some various other effects

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Speaker 1: that are just tons of fun. Maybe we'll get around

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Speaker 1: to watching the sequel at some point. This one originally

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Speaker 1: published four four, twenty twenty two. Let's enter the picture.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema. My name is Rob Lamb.

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Speaker 3: And my name is Joe McCormick. And today's movie is

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Speaker 3: a nineteen ninety one Japanese film called zay Ram, or

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Speaker 3: maybe better to say Zerum, because the zay Ram really

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Speaker 3: sounds like the Tennessee take on the name of the

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Speaker 3: alien in this film. Yeah, but hey, what do you know?

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Speaker 3: This is our very first space bounty Hunter movie, And

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Speaker 3: I think I'll have to be honest and say that

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Speaker 3: Zayram is not the most scintillating movie I have ever seen,

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Speaker 3: but it has a really great central monsters, has a

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Speaker 3: fun bounty Hunter, and it is light years beyond the

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Speaker 3: quality of the other main Space bounty Hunter title in

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Speaker 3: my mental database, which is also from nineteen ninety one

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Speaker 3: and is called a Braxis Guardian of the Universe, Rob

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Speaker 3: Have you seen this one with Jesse the Body Ventura.

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Speaker 1: I have. I believe I watched the riff Tracks version

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Speaker 1: definitely remember the two principal cast members.

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Speaker 3: Braxis goes way back like when I very first started

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Speaker 3: getting into B movies in like high school, you know,

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Speaker 3: My friends and I were going to the to like

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Speaker 3: the used book and DVD store and digging through their

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Speaker 3: like trash pile to see what we could find. This

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Speaker 3: is one of the ones we dug up. So it's

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Speaker 3: got Jesse the Body Ventura as the Space bounty Hunter,

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Speaker 3: and it's got spin Ole Thorson, who you might know

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Speaker 3: from Oh I don't know. He was in Conan I think,

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Speaker 3: and they're running around some Yeah. Yeah, they're running around

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Speaker 3: some town in Ontario, and Spin is the is the fugitive,

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Speaker 3: and I recall he keeps grabbing people and asking them

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Speaker 3: if they know how to compute the anti life equation.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, Spin shows up in a number of different

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Speaker 1: Arnold movies. He was kind of like part of the ensemble,

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Speaker 3: Do you think they originally wanted Arnold for a Braxis

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Speaker 3: but he, I don't know, went on the Determinator or

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine Arnold was ever in talks for a Braxis.

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Speaker 1: I think I think this project was a different orbit entirely.

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Speaker 3: But hey, a space bounty hunter can be a lot

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Speaker 3: of fun because, okay, you know, you have like two

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Speaker 3: parties arrived from other worlds. Now they're here on Earth,

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Speaker 3: and there's already a chase going on, so like, you know,

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Speaker 3: it's not like you have to get to that part

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Speaker 3: once they're here. One is already in pursuit of the other,

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Speaker 3: and that's a good setup.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, In general, the bounty hunter scenario makes for

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Speaker 1: good fiction. Especially when you know, because you can do

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Speaker 1: other mysterious individual. Well, you're gonna have to explain it

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Speaker 1: to the bystanders and they become part of the whole plot.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, throw in space and aliens and you've got

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Speaker 1: yourself a winning formula. And I think that's one of

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Speaker 1: the things that I like about Zeram is that it's

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Speaker 3: There's extremely little plot in this movie. Yeah, But what

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Speaker 3: it lacks in story complexity, I would say it's somewhat

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Speaker 3: haberdashed bipedal starbeast who has so many now I reveal

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Speaker 1: That's right, my son walked in and watched part of

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Speaker 1: this with me, because this is ultimately a pretty pretty

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah they have. Luckily it finally sticks. But I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you something else. It sticks. Yeah, this monster's design

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Speaker 1: It suggests elements of Samurai and onny mushrooms and stingrays.

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Speaker 1: And maybe it's because I've been watching the Boba Fett

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Speaker 3: And I would argue, maybe you still don't know who

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Speaker 1: No, we don't know really where he's from or what

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Speaker 3: I'm going to buck expectations and argue that when it

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Speaker 3: really comes down to it, Much like the original Alien,

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Speaker 3: zay Ram is a movie about work in the workplace,

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Speaker 3: you know, because it's about a it's not really about

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Speaker 3: each other at cross purposes. It's like, you know when

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Speaker 3: and they start arguing. Except add in space tentacles.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think you're essentially right here. I

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Speaker 1: wonder what we're to make of the fact that Xeram

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe there's nothing to be made of that,

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Speaker 3: Oh no, I can see it if he's a bioweapon.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like much like you know when I watch Alien.

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Speaker 3: But one of the ones I think people don't think

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Speaker 3: Whyland Utahani Corporation had better workplace protections, Like if they

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Speaker 3: lot of this could have been of did, but probably

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Speaker 3: all of it. But no, I mean, it's just like

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Speaker 3: it's a movie about work problems and this is kind

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, it seems like there should be more of

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Speaker 1: All right, So the elevator pitch for Zayram. I feel

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Speaker 1: like we've basically done it already. It's alien Bounty Hunter,

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Speaker 1: Like this universe, I'm just I'm expanding on the zay

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Speaker 3: All right? Okay, so who made zay Ram? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Oh no, we have some trailer first.

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Speaker 3: Oh oh sorry, okay, let's hear some trailer.

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Speaker 4: The people of Earth are about to be visited by

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Speaker 4: some guests. While they're here, try and make them the

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Not a great trailer, but that's the English language shower.

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Speaker 1: The voiceover is a bit a bit much, but we

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Speaker 1: wanted to have something for you that wasn't just explosion sounds.

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Speaker 3: I mean a big part of this movie is explosion sounds. Yes, okay,

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Speaker 3: so who made this thing?

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Speaker 1: All right? So the director, one of the writers, and

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Speaker 1: the character designer is Kita Amimia. Emma has an illustration background,

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Speaker 1: born nineteen fifty nine. And I think the illustration background

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: The character design elements are very strong in.

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Speaker 3: This I agree so much so that there are even

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Speaker 3: Like there is an opening scene. Actually, it might be

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Speaker 3: All right, but we would not have a Space bounty

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Speaker 1: It is Yuko Moriyama, playing Area of the bounty Hunter.

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Speaker 1: She was born in nineteen sixty eight, Japanese actor. This

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Speaker 3: For some reason. I usually just like to see that,

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Speaker 1: is there like some sort of a hybrid I mean,

433
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: or at least a symbiotic relationship going on here? Or

434
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 1: is that the face of the thing is you know,

435
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: it's wearing clothes. So does it his it cultured?

436
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 3: Is it?

437
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,640
Speaker 1: Or is it just a brute beast? There's so many

438
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 1: questions that rise to the surface.

439
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the space Marines unload their pulse rifles on

440
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 3: the monster, but to no avail. The Sombrero creature slaughters

441
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,479
Speaker 3: them all and escapes whatever wherever it is this opening

442
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 3: takes place. I imagine it's supposed to be some kind

443
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 3: of exo prison, and we see in the very opening

444
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 3: scene that it has a kind of xenomorph like stabbing,

445
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 3: a jaw to face attack that I think is done

446
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 3: by that little tiny face on its hat.

447
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 1: But a lot of this action is taking place in

448
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 1: it like kind of extreme close up. This is a

449
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: film that likes close ups at times that feel like

450
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: a little bit too much, Like I felt like you

451
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: could you could pan out on that row of weapons,

452
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 1: and I would I would maybe get more out of

453
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 1: the scene, but fair enough.

454
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 3: Okay. But next thing, after the intro, we go to

455
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,880
Speaker 3: meet our main characters, who are all going about their

456
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 3: business somewhere in modern day Japan. So we meet our

457
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 3: bounty hunter. This is Eriea, and she is very on target.

458
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 3: She's very on task. She will stop at nothing to

459
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 3: capture or kill the hat beast. And I couldn't remember

460
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,919
Speaker 3: if they explained this anywhere in the movie, but she

461
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 3: looks human, but I think she's supposed to be from

462
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 3: another planet, right, She's not like a human who secretly

463
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 3: went to space and became a bounty hunter, because this

464
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 3: is not understood as far as I can tell, to

465
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 3: take place in the future or anything when humans have

466
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 3: gone into space and some of them might be space bounty.

467
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Speaker 1: Hunters, right, she is, I guess what we might loosely

468
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 1: think of as a space human, which to a certain

469
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: extent is kind of the legacy of budget constraints on

470
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: sci fi from various cultures and film cultures in various decades,

471
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 1: where yeah, you just can't have a crazy looking alien

472
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 1: for everybody. Some of them got to be human, And

473
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe it's something that's fleshed out more

474
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,360
Speaker 1: in the sequel or the TV series, But she is.

475
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 1: We're never given any glimpse that, like, oh, she may

476
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 1: look human, but her blood is blue or purple. No,

477
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 1: she just seems to be a human who happens to

478
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 1: have this job. And maybe I don't know, it's one

479
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: of these things we're not supposed to think about too much.

480
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 3: I guess right, it's Planned nine from outer space. The

481
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 3: aliens just look human, except they're wearing a shiny shirt. Yeah. Well,

482
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 3: but the other possibility of considering again, I don't think

483
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 3: they ever said this, but I was like, well, I

484
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 3: wonder if she's like doing I don't know, assuming the

485
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 3: appearance of the dominant life form on this planet.

486
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I wasn't that one of the elements and

487
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 1: critters where we had We had alien bounty hunters in that,

488
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: but they ended up looking like people, but they weren't people.

489
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 3: That could be. Yeah, my critters knowledge is abysmally low.

490
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 3: So as we've threatened a few times, we may have

491
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 3: to break the critters seal on the show.

492
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Speaker 1: It's just hard to choose. I don't know, we've talked

493
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: about it. I think off Mike before. But each Critters

494
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: movie offers its own alluring choices. I mean, do you

495
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: go with Critters one? I think, is that the one

496
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 1: or maybe it's the sequel that Leonardo DiCaprio is in it,

497
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: But then that third one? Is that the third one? Okay? Well,

498
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 1: I don't know, two or three perhaps, But then you

499
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 1: have a pretty good cast in the first one, and

500
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,239
Speaker 1: then by part four you have Brad Doriff showing up,

501
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 1: so I don't know, there's so many directions to go.

502
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 1: And then of course they're row poly alien create creatures

503
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: in all four of them, some wonderful Gromlin action.

504
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, so you got Aria, she's the main hero.

505
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 3: She's she's the bounty hunter. But then you've got Erie's

506
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 3: got of a sidekick, right, sort of the nerd who

507
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 3: does her computing for her. And in the case of

508
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 3: this movie, you know they're not going to just go

509
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 3: another humanoid who acts kind of nerdy and does computing.

510
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 3: They actually have a talking computer. It's just an AI

511
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 3: sidekick who constantly explains to the viewer what is.

512
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: Happening, Yeah, Bob the AI, Which I think one of

513
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: the reasons I like this is this, this this alone.

514
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: And I'm not comparing this movie to Ian m Banks

515
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: culture series, but in those, in those novels, you'll frequently

516
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: have an individual who's often a member of the culture

517
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: and they have they have an AI that they're they're

518
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: talking to all the time, and they're having little conversations

519
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: and disagreements and so forth. So this felt, you know,

520
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: not to say that this was even you know, remotely

521
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: inspired by it's a pretty you know, i think common

522
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: idea regarding science fiction, but it made me think of

523
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: that a little bit.

524
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 3: Bob's got a little bit of personality. Bob is not

525
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 3: just a you know, purely giving the answers to you know,

526
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 3: He's not like a Google search result, like He's got

527
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 3: some some thoughts of his own.

528
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, again, he's he's very into making sure that

529
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: they get to keep their license, that that any weaponry

530
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: or tactics that they employ, that these are they have

531
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: the correct certifications, that they're they're not going to get

532
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: in trouble. So he's you know, he's very much a

533
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: very lawful mindset, and Aria has more of a chaotic mindset.

534
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 3: I'd say that's right, Yes, So Bob is sort of lawful,

535
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 3: neutral and area's kind of chaotic good yeah, okay. But

536
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 3: then the other two main characters are our power company guys,

537
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 3: and we mentioned them already, but you have Tepe, who

538
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,719
Speaker 3: is he's handsome, sweet, shy. Earnest don't have a lot

539
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 3: of notes on Tepe. He's just like, oh, he's a

540
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 3: nice guy.

541
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

542
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 3: But then the other one you've got is Camilla, who

543
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 3: seems a little bit older and he is our fidgety clown,

544
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 3: but he ends up really coming through in a pinch

545
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 3: at the end of the movie. And early on, Camia

546
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 3: has a near meat cute with Eria the bounty hunter,

547
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 3: because she seems to be buying hundreds of apples and

548
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 3: she drops one in the street and then Cama picks

549
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 3: it up out of the gutter and tries to run

550
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 3: after her. But I don't think they ever come face

551
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 3: to face.

552
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: Not at that point, but of course later on they

553
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: meet and he's like, oh, it's the woman from the street.

554
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: Though I don't know what.

555
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 3: The purpose of that is, like that opening sequence, because

556
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, yeah, I saw you before. Anyway, So

557
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 3: this movie, especially early on, is very heavy on technobabble.

558
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 3: There is a long scene with Eria and Bob just

559
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 3: discussing regulations on the technology they use. Like, the main

560
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 3: thing I think you need to understand is the concept

561
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 3: of a zone. And so there's a long scene where

562
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 3: Erie and Bob are talking about the idea of a zone.

563
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 3: Here's my best interpretation of how it works. So Eria

564
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 3: and Bob know that the monster Zeiram is headed toward Earth,

565
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 3: and they know that it will crash land at roughly

566
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 3: a given place at a given time, and they get

567
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 3: there before it. So in order to capture Zayram with

568
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 3: as little risk as possible, Eria and Bob make an

569
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 3: alternate dimension copy of the city district where Zayram is

570
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 3: going to land, and then somehow get him to land

571
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 3: there instead of in the regular dimensional place. And this

572
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 3: alternate dimension city district is known as a zone. It's

573
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Speaker 3: like surrounded by invisible walls and it's just like a

574
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 3: regular city, except it has no people in it except

575
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 3: whoever teleports into that using area's transporter. And apparently you

576
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 3: collect a reduced bounty if you quote use a zone,

577
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 3: but you gotta do what you gotta do.

578
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: Ultimately, I liked this aspect of the movie, like it

579
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: adds an extra little wrinkle to it. And I'm not

580
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: sure how much of it is them wanting to do

581
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: something cool with kind of like, oh, they're not battling

582
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: the alien just on the streets. They're battling it in

583
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: this strange shadow zone, or if it's kind of like, well,

584
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: if they're battling in the zone, we don't have to

585
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: have any extras or worry about why the police aren't

586
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: showing up.

587
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 3: Right, So most of this movie just takes place in

588
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 3: the zone. So, like you say, there's no need for extrasm.

589
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 3: There was one scene where they cut back to the

590
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 3: regular world and they show like the people that the

591
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 3: Electricians were supposed to be partying with later that night,

592
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 3: hanging out and like they're not there, but they're like, oh,

593
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 3: I don't miss them. I don't care that they're not here.

594
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was strange. Oh, but by the way, I

595
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: should ask at this point, did you watch we both

596
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: use the same Blu ray copy on this. Did you

597
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: do dubbed or subtitled subtitles? You did subtitles, Okay, yeah,

598
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: because so I did the thing where I wasn't sure

599
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: because sometimes there is a drastic difference. It's between subtitles

600
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: and and and the dub on films like this. So

601
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: I did the thing at first where I had both

602
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: going on, and I was, you know, you kind of

603
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: like trying to split my head by following both and

604
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: seeing like which one was the way to go. And

605
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: I quickly decided, Okay, that doesn't seem to be a

606
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: tremendous difference. Maybe the subtitles are a little tighter, but

607
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm missing out on a lot of

608
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: plot if I just go ahead and and and employ

609
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: the dub instead.

610
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 3: I mean, it always varies by case, but I think

611
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 3: in general dubs are a great option for like silly movies,

612
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 3: B movies and stuff like that. I think, you know,

613
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 3: I gravitate more towards subtitles if it's like the they're

614
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 3: real strong, dramatic performances by the original actors, and you

615
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 3: kind of want to hear their original tone and things,

616
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 3: even if you don't understand the language.

617
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 4: Uh.

618
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 3: And and just rely on the subtitles for the for

619
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 3: the semantic uh. But yeah, I mean in a monster movie,

620
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 3: I think dubs are great.

621
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: Okay, well we'll come back to this because they'll be

622
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: two points where I want to know if you have

623
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: a different understanding of what was occurring based on the

624
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: subtitles versus my understanding via the dubs.

625
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 3: Oh oh, but we didn't finish talking about the zones

626
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 3: because the other the okay, right, So the one last

627
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 3: thing with the zone is like, you can't just walk

628
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 3: into or out of a zone like a zone. Again,

629
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 3: it's an alternate dimension. It's surrounded by invisible walls, and

630
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 3: you have to have some kind of teleporter device that

631
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 3: Aria has set up in her command center in an

632
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 3: empty warehouse in order to teleport in and teleport out.

633
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 3: And multiple times in the movie, these teleporting devices get

634
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 3: broken and that prevents somebody from going one way or

635
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 3: the other. But okay, Eria and Bob are discussing zones,

636
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 3: discussing bounties, discussing regulations and technology. Meanwhile, Tepe and Camia

637
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 3: are our power company guys are trying to finish all

638
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 3: the jobs they've got left on their list for the

639
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 3: day because at least one of them has a date

640
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 3: that they need to get to. I don't remember. I

641
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 3: think it's Cameo, or maybe both of them do anyway.

642
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: But I think Tepe has an actual date date and

643
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: Kemia is just like hanging out at the box.

644
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, Kemia needs to go hang out with people who

645
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 3: don't actually like him. So one job that they have

646
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 3: to deal with before they can finish up for the

647
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 3: day is that somebody is stealing electricity, so they are

648
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 3: called to the location where this is allegedly happening. They

649
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 3: arrive at a warehouse where somebody is rigged up a

650
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 3: bootleg power line coming off of the pole, and instead

651
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 3: of just cutting the line, they have to go into

652
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 3: the warehouse to investigate, and lo and behold, it's the

653
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 3: command center. It's full of weird, blinking, beeping gizmos.

654
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: Time to start touching stuff right, Also, just put our

655
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: hands all over this long story short, the two electricians

656
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 1: accidentally get teleported into the.

657
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 3: Zone along with eria Xeram arrives, and this leads into

658
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 3: the rest of the movie, which is just one long

659
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 3: chain of fi chases, monster attacks, and monster transformations.

660
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, all in kind of dreary look mostly dreary looking

661
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: industrial locations that you know, fit the zone and fit

662
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: this style of movie. Though there is also a wonderful

663
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: looking I think it's a playground, like a really modern yeah,

664
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: like early nineties Japanese playground. I didn't look this up,

665
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: just try and figure out where this was. But it

666
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: looks really cool. I look at this and I'm like, yeah,

667
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: I want to head.

668
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 3: I want to play on that. And so from here

669
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 3: on out, I think, because it's just sort of fights

670
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 3: and chases and transformations, uh, maybe we can just focus

671
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 3: on highlights.

672
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 2: Uh.

673
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 3: The first big fight between Xerram and Erea is great.

674
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 3: It involves energy weapons, ballistic weapons, strange traps, like area

675
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 3: has all these different kinds of traps, Like one shoots

676
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 3: out all these tethers that wrap up the monster. One

677
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 3: is like, it shoots up these spikes that surround the monster,

678
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 3: and yes, they're like metal spikes, and I think it

679
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 3: has to like bend them down. But then the it

680
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 3: also has hand to hand fighting. Eria has the full

681
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 3: gamut of bounty hunter skills, so it seems like she

682
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 3: is a trapper first and foremost, and she likes using

683
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 3: this device that encases someone within, like a giant crystal,

684
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 3: but then when a fight breaks out, she throws down.

685
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. She does have a wonderful array of sort of

686
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: Mandalorian esque or predator esque weaponry, you know, all the

687
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: various bells and whistles.

688
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 3: But of course Zaiam has his own tricks, and one

689
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 3: of them, one of the weirdest ones I thought, was

690
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 3: that he throws out these bioprisms that like hatch open

691
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 3: and then release these creatures, these weird google eyed critters

692
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 3: that look like a cross between Final Stage bundlefly Et

693
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 3: and the baby from the nineties puppet sitcom Dinosaurs.

694
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

695
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's one he patches multiple of these things. Again,

696
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: it's like it's like a little sea organic seed pod

697
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: looking thing, and when it breaks open, it kind of

698
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: like like whatever's inside rapidly grows and mutates into this

699
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: kind of squat gobblinoid creature that it runs around and

700
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: squeeze and stuff. There's one that pops up later on

701
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: that has three faces and not just one, and the

702
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 1: faces kind of remind one of the baby masks from Brazil.

703
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 3: And they make it kind of noise too, don't they.

704
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: Like these are squee noise.

705
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, these are not they're not doing you know,

706
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 3: heavy heavy booted martial arts like zay ram Is. They're

707
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 3: just sort of going like and like running at the

708
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 3: at the heroes.

709
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like he's he's weaponizing some other technology,

710
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: like like these things are mostly just distractions. They're not

711
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: They're not going to really make a huge tactical difference.

712
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: He's not hatching like elite hunter killers. These are not

713
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: his hunting dogs. These are just like blithering clone goblins

714
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: that you know are just there to cause a distraction.

715
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 3: Agreed, Yes, but I love Yeah, I like them too,

716
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 3: And there's a number of them throughout the movie. There

717
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 3: was one part, though, I thought it was funny, where

718
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 3: the Electricians are figuring out what's going on, and I

719
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 3: think Eria says to them, at least this was how

720
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 3: it was in the subtitles. She goes, don't you get

721
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 3: it now, we're in an alternate dimension, and then one

722
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 3: of the Electricians goes, you're right.

723
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: Now. One of my favorite sequences in this occurs, I

724
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: want to say, you know, more or less halfway through

725
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: the film. You know, we've already had the initial battle

726
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: with zay Ram. Then we get this scene where where's

727
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: you know, zay Ram has a run in with our

728
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: two humanoid characters, and I think at this point it's

729
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: been established that the humans are on their own in

730
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: the zone and Eria has been like ejected from the

731
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 1: zone and can't get back in due to like gadget reasons.

732
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, the transporter breaks or something.

733
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is where it gets fun because we

734
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: know she can hold her own against z a Ram and

735
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: effectively captures a Ram, but then she gets booted. Our

736
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: two human characters mess things up, accidentally freeze a Ram,

737
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: and zay Ram has to figure out what he's going

738
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: to do. And so we have zay Ram still in

739
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: this this form of this whol king bio weapon, you know,

740
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 1: clothed in this shroud and having this large hat like head.

741
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: We already know that he can rapidly grow grotesque goblinoids

742
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: to do his bitting, and in a previous scene he

743
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: used that the mouth or the face on the on

744
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: the hat, it kind of came out like a tentacle

745
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: and it bit one of the human's arms. Cameo yeah, yeah,

746
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: like tore off a bit of skin. So ah, it

747
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,919
Speaker 1: has a tissue sample. So we go to this scene

748
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: where it's just za Ram alone in this open industrial

749
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: space and he removes the cloth from his mouth region

750
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: and he spits up one of these He kind of

751
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: like you know, flexes his muscles strains, spits up one

752
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: of these seed pods. But instead of throwing it and

753
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: letting it hatch. He crushes it in his big muscular

754
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: hand and some sort of clone slime drips out of it,

755
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: pulls up on the ground, begins to bubble and rapidly

756
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: grows into a kind of half formed clone of Cameo,

757
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: or at least the head, one arm, and part of

758
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: the torso just laying there in a pile. And it's

759
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: really grotesque and wonderful. It mostly just spits up clone goop.

760
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: He but then Xerium seems to sort of wordlessly question

761
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: this thing, and then the goblin clone responds with kind

762
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: of alien gibbering and also a little more or oozing

763
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: of clone goo from the mouth, and then satisfide with

764
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: all this, Zirium then crushes the goblin clone underfoot. I

765
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: absolutely love just the alien weirdness of this whole scene.

766
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: One of these scenes where there are no humans at all.

767
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: It's just monsters doing monster things and having some sort

768
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: of conversation that we can scarcely understand.

769
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 3: Now, this is one of the one scenes I would

770
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 3: say if somebody was thinking about showing this movie to

771
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 3: a very little kid, I don't know. This one's pretty grotesque. Yeah,

772
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 3: and It's kind of pathetic the way the creature is

773
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 3: like no, and zay Ram's just like done with you

774
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 3: and then squashes him.

775
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: Now did this have subtitles in your version?

776
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 3: No? It didn't.

777
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: Okay, excellent, that's good. I would be disappointed, first of all,

778
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: if I missed out on this, the details of this conversation.

779
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: But I ultimately like not knowing, Like as a human viewer,

780
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: we're just completely cut out on the details here, Like

781
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: what is he just saying? Hey, where did that guy go?

782
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, he's over there. I was like,

783
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 1: all right, good squash. But maybe he's getting more information

784
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: about the planet. I'm not sure. It's just it's a

785
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: lovely scene. This, I believe, is the scene that I

786
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: saw on television, and it just stuck with me because

787
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: it was just so strange.

788
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a great one. They pushed the weirdness

789
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 3: past eleven. It's off the charts here. Another thing that

790
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 3: stuck with me was I think, I wonder if you

791
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 3: agree there's a part in this movie that I think

792
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 3: is a direct homage to Aliens, because there is a

793
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 3: scene where they're fighting with Zairam and then suddenly it

794
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 3: pans over to reveal somebody coming in to say that

795
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 3: I think Tepe is being threatened. But then it pans

796
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 3: over and here's Camea driving an excavator. He's working with

797
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 3: heavy machinery with and I think it's like framed in

798
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 3: stage with the same kind of lighting and stuff as

799
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 3: when Ripley comes out in the power loader fight at

800
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 3: the end of Aliens. Would you agree?

801
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely, And it seems like that's where they're gonna go, Oh,

802
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna have kind of a rip off

803
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: of that scene where it's gonna be bulldozer versus zarium,

804
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: but then it ultimately ends up being for comedic payoff,

805
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 1: right because doesn't Zeriam just sort of like swat the

806
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: bulldozer and turns it out there? Yeah? Yeah, and uh

807
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 1: and then and then Camea just runs for it. So

808
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: I like that ultimately a successful scene if they'd gone

809
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: if they'd actually had it be kind of this fight,

810
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 1: which I think they've done. Didn't they do that in Carnosaur.

811
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: Doesn't a bulldozer fight a dinosaur in Carnoisaur?

812
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, somebody gets into like a bobcat or some

813
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 3: one of those smaller one of those little I don't

814
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 3: know what you call those smaller bulldozer, a little min dozer.

815
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: Nobody wants to see that. I mean, Ripley did it

816
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: best using a space bulldozer suit. I don't want to

817
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: see just a normal bulldozer fight a dinosaur. Now I

818
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: have another question for you, Joe, regarding dubs and subtitles. Uh. Okay,

819
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: So a large part of this film is that the

820
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: humans are trapped in the zone with zay Ram, and

821
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: then an area is stuck on the outside. Okay, but

822
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: then the humans get in trouble with zay Ram and

823
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 1: then Eria jumps in and saves them, saves the day. Yeah,

824
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 1: and I don't if it was established how she was

825
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: able to do that. I missed it.

826
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know. I mean, yeah, there's a lot

827
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 3: of stuff like that. I don't I know what you're

828
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 3: talking about. And I don't remember. I think they must

829
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 3: have fixed it somehow. And then they just like don't

830
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 3: show her teleporting or something. It's like, oh, here she is,

831
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 3: you know, Bob got Bob got it all put together.

832
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 1: Okay, but she's ultimately not that important.

833
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 3: But no, no, no, But yeah, there's some gaps like

834
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 3: that and a lot of the a lot of what

835
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 3: Aria and Bob are doing later on is they're like

836
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 3: trying to put together like the super cannon or something,

837
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 3: or trying to get permission to use it or something.

838
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is some question from Bob, especially if they

839
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: have authorization to use the super weapon and then they

840
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: have to get it there, and then once it's there

841
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: it has to be a symbol. Then clearly our electricians

842
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: are not quite up up to the task, so Eria

843
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: has has to slap it together, and it's a pretty

844
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: cool weapon when she fires it off.

845
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 3: Though I like some of the more low tech fighting

846
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 3: you see that you see the electricians doing because and

847
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 3: I think we're going to talk about the monster transforming

848
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 3: into different stages in a minute, but one of stages

849
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 3: it's attacking the two electricians and they just start piling

850
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 3: furniture on top of it, which I thought was very funny.

851
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, there's another scene where I want to say

852
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: that the monster is either thrown into or throws somebody

853
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: else into one of you know your you're just go

854
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: to set pieces in a film like this, A wall

855
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: of cardboard.

856
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 3: Boxes, yes, clearly empty.

857
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: All right, So yeah, one of the this is a

858
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: film about the monsters, about the monster itself here, and

859
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: one of the great things about it is that it

860
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: goes through multiple stages again, like you said, this is

861
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: a film where Behold my true form happens again and again.

862
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

863
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: So we have stage one Zerium, which we've largely described clothed,

864
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: hulking humanoid warrior. And in my opinion, this is zay

865
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: Ram at his best and realizing here I may be

866
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: saying Zerium at times it's okay, who knows, but I

867
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: think I think zay Ram the Tennessee and version is correct. Anyway,

868
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: this this primary look, primary za Ram, tremendous clothing, accessory options,

869
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: numerous bioweapons, really comes off well. But then eventually Zayram

870
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: gets blasted and we get stage two zay Ram, which

871
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: is a skeletal, multi limbed walker. And this one's a

872
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: lot of fun because it's a stop motion effect, which

873
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: obviously has limitations in a film like this. It even

874
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: has limitations when it's done especially well, like in a

875
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: Ray Harry Howsen or like RoboCop two, but it, you know,

876
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: generally examples of really well done integration of live action

877
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 1: and stop motion. But still the monster looks great in

878
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 1: this Yeah.

879
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 3: Yeah it does. It's it's sort of a mix of

880
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 3: an insect and like a mammal skeleton.

881
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 1: You know, multi limbs lashing around. Pretty fun. But eventually

882
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: that gets blasted too, and we're off to stage three

883
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: zay Ram, which it had been established earlier that only

884
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: the head is important.

885
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 3: I think they literally say hat, just.

886
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: The hat, okay, so I just about so that at

887
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: this point za Ram is reduced to just that hat,

888
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: shroom cap, stingray thingy, and it flies around, floats around,

889
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: you know, kind of looking like a rubber bat on

890
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: a string. It reminds me a lot of a lot

891
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: of various flying Kaiju monsters. Yes, so maybe less compelling,

892
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: but very much expected.

893
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 3: I feel like maybe a Kaiju movie that we watched

894
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 3: for this show had a monster that could transform into

895
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 3: something that looked like this flying mushroom cap or stingray thing.

896
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 1: Was it the Godzilla movie?

897
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 4: Was it?

898
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 3: Did the pollution monster have a flying stingray form?

899
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 1: Hmm?

900
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 3: You might remember.

901
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: Anyway, they eventually capture the stingray hat thing. They get

902
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: it sealed up in its crystal, but of course it

903
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: gets out of that as well again, and then we

904
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: get one last pretty great transformation where the hat is

905
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: like upside down and a whole bunch of like mutation

906
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: stuff starts boiling out of it, a very John Carpenter's

907
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:14,439
Speaker 1: The Thing esque transformation, and then it transforms into this

908
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: the Thing esque abomination, which this was I guess, the

909
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: logical place to go. Like at this point, Zayram is

910
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: backed in a corner. It's just going to mutate a

911
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 1: bunch and just lash at you with a bunch of

912
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: tentacles and teeth and mouths and so forth. I feel

913
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: like this incarnation of zay Ram was maybe a bit ambitious,

914
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,280
Speaker 1: and the full monster comes off a little stiff here,

915
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,439
Speaker 1: but it's still it's still pretty cool.

916
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,280
Speaker 3: Well it has at this point though, it is also

917
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 3: because it has incorporated some human DNA from cameo. I

918
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 3: think it has like little human body parts coming out

919
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 3: of it. Yeah, it's like nipples and stuff.

920
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's it looks like there might be a boob

921
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 1: on it. Yeah, but not in a way that like

922
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: is distressing. I guess just kind of like, oh, I

923
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: guess it's supposed to be a human breast. Oh yeah, okay,

924
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: now that would have been an interesting way to go

925
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: if it had taken Cameo's form, that's the final form.

926
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: I don't know.

927
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, Like if it had gone full, like

928
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 3: they just made a clone of him, but a defective one.

929
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: Oh you know, it would have been another great ending.

930
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: They should have done this. I know we squashed the

931
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:24,399
Speaker 1: camea half clone earlier, but wouldn't it have been great

932
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: for like a post credit sequence where it's Cameo's friends

933
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: at the bar but the clone has shown up to

934
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: hang out with them, and it's like being outed the

935
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,280
Speaker 1: bar and has a drink, but it's still like spitting

936
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: up clone goo.

937
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 3: So they're in the middle of talking about how they

938
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 3: don't miss Cameo and they don't mind that he couldn't

939
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,439
Speaker 3: make it. But then he does show up and he's

940
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 3: just bleeding goo everywhere, and they're like, oh, hey, we

941
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 3: were just talking about you.

942
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Titter is in an alien voice and they just

943
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: don't notice.

944
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 3: A couple more things that I thought were interesting about

945
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 3: the ending. One is that in the end, Camea has

946
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 3: to come through and save the day by using electrician knowledge. Yes,

947
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 3: he has to repair the wiring I think multiple times

948
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 3: in order to I don't know power up the device

949
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 3: they're using to defeat the monster in the end.

950
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is really great and it made me wonder,

951
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: not enough to actually watch it. But in the Super

952
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: Mario Brothers movie, did the Super Mario Brothers end up

953
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,240
Speaker 1: using their plumbing skills to save the day against Dennis Hawker?

954
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 3: That would be a good twist.

955
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's seen it and I don't remember.

956
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 3: That movie is weird. That's a contender for the show.

957
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: That is a strange film. I cannot imagine that the

958
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:38,240
Speaker 1: Chris Pratt Mario Brothers remake is going to really equal

959
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: or you know, excel in creating the same kind of

960
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: weird cinematic experience.

961
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 3: Waites Chris Pratt playing Mario super Mario.

962
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 1: That is what Seth I believe, was telling us for

963
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: Other Day.

964
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 3: Okay, so they went from Bob Hoskins to Chris Pratt.

965
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's a it's a different, different take on

966
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: the on the source material.

967
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:06,479
Speaker 3: Okay. Oh oh, No, one last thing, final comment about

968
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 3: the movie. I like how it ends with a graduation photo.

969
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: Yes, why, I don't know.

970
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 3: All the humanoids So after the monster has defeated Iria

971
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 3: Cameo Tepe, They're like, hey, let's all pose for a

972
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 3: photo and Bob just like they stand together and pose

973
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 3: and Bob takes their picture and then it's like best friends,

974
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 3: friends forever.

975
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: It's so wholesome. I love it. Yeah. So yeah, this

976
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: is not a film that is going to really hit

977
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: you with a lot of mysteries and intrigue and double

978
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:39,240
Speaker 1: crosses and so forth. The plot's pretty simple. The payoffs

979
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 1: are pretty much everything you'd expect, but wonderful, weird monster.

980
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: And I think this is one of those films kind

981
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: of like Pumpkinhead to a certain extent, is you see

982
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: action figures and costumes and fan art depicting the monster

983
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: like the monster has really sort of is really kind

984
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: of more popular than the film itself. It seems to

985
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 1: be the case.

986
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:02,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would make sense.

987
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,879
Speaker 1: Now a credit? Where credits do here? When I first

988
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: started poking around for places to watch this film, I

989
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: could not find Zayram anywhere. I think Zayram two was

990
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: available as a streaming option or at least a digital

991
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: purchase option, and the anime spinoff TV series was also

992
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: available that way, but it looked like I was going

993
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: to have to obtain a physical copy for sure, So

994
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: I inquired with the good people at Atlanta's own Videodrome

995
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: video rental store about it, and they said, sorry, we

996
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: don't have a copy. But then they wrote me back

997
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: and said, actually, we just ordered a copy of it.

998
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: We've ordered the thirtieth anniversary Blu Ray and so that

999
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: came in and that's how we got to watch it.

1000
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: I think, a solid Blu Ray release from Media Blasters.

1001
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: It includes a couple of trailers and also a making

1002
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: of feature that I believe popped up on a previous

1003
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: laser disc edition.

1004
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 3: Ooh oh man, can you imagine the experience of watching

1005
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 3: this on laser disc?

1006
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: Yeah? I watched part of the making of video, but

1007
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty bad. Like they were talking to the

1008
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: director and the star and the directors like, I wanted

1009
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: to make a film that was fun, So making a

1010
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 1: fun film was my primary my primary goal here. Okay,

1011
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: so this is, you know, that sort of thing. I

1012
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,280
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe there's some more depth, in depth stuff

1013
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 1: about the effects later on, but anyway, if you live

1014
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, you can certainly go to Videodrome and rent

1015
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: the same Blu ray disc that we watched it on.

1016
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: You can also check out Video Drome at videodromeatl dot com.

1017
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: And if you want to get some of their merch,

1018
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: and they have a lot of cool merch, you can

1019
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: go to videodrome dot tv. So thanks again to the

1020
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: guys at video Drone for hooking us up with our

1021
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: z A ram. All right, if you want to check

1022
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1025
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1027
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1028
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