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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast works out with Dan Campbell.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Ands and I am joined by

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Speaker 1: room teaming with heroes Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, Andrew Ceciliano

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Speaker 1: and Greg Rosthal. What's up boys? Hey Dan? Good morning?

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Speaker 1: Good morning? You work out with Dan Campbell? Right? And

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Speaker 1: Dan Campbell? Uh? I've never worked out with Dan Campbell. No,

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Speaker 1: we have talked about on this podcast. And thank you

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Speaker 1: for joining us again. Andrew. I'm happy to be here.

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Speaker 1: I think Dan Campbell uses the word broke too much.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I could work out. That's why

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Speaker 1: I didn't keep the job. Siciliano is a sneaky hot pot.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about sneaky hot pot and people can see

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Speaker 1: it because because a couple of things. Uh. This is

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Speaker 1: uh our show, The Around the NFL Podcast, presented by

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Speaker 1: and sponsored by Scott Trade. What a guy, Scot Trade.

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Speaker 1: It's on video if you're listening to the podcast, so

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Speaker 1: you could see what I'm saying is you could see

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Speaker 1: Andrews sneaky hot bod although it's hidden, obscured a bit

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Speaker 1: under a puffy jacket. Um, and it's the monkey that

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Speaker 1: rides the dog. By the way, this is the official

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Speaker 1: Is that like your Kirk Cousin's marketing opportunity. No, no,

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Speaker 1: they're not kidding. I mean, they're not paying me for this,

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Speaker 1: but this was my gift from the crew at the

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Speaker 1: end of the year Direct TV for the Red Zone

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Speaker 1: channel because they know that I cackle obsessively, like I

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Speaker 1: can't even stop when the monkeys on the screen right

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Speaker 1: ryd the dog right and um, they actually contacted them,

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Speaker 1: got me the stuffed animal monkey, a glossy eight by

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Speaker 1: ten headshot, and the T shirt. Hot take here the

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Speaker 1: monkeys a little overrated? That dog? Hot take that dog? Well.

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Speaker 1: I had a I had a theory that I I

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Speaker 1: broached on an end around calm like last month. What

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Speaker 1: about the idea, because everyone loves the monkey riding on

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Speaker 1: the dog and they throw it out at halftime a

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Speaker 1: couple of times a year and we all laugh at it.

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Speaker 1: What if you took the best dog, the best monkey,

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Speaker 1: and the best monkey riding on dog trainer, gave them

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Speaker 1: a full year to train, and then put them on

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Speaker 1: halftime Super Bowl fifty one. I don't think they need

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Speaker 1: the full year. Have haven't you seen what they do,

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Speaker 1: they're good. I would actually watch the Super Bowl halftime,

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Speaker 1: add a little production value, have them going through fire

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Speaker 1: rings or something like that. I'm just saying along with

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Speaker 1: cold Play. Well, no, we'll have cold Play this year.

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Speaker 1: They can do their thing, give us a full three

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Speaker 1: sixty five to prep and then bang you tear the

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Speaker 1: house down with the monkeys riding on the dogs. So

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Speaker 1: we had a ram right yesterday here at NFL Network

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Speaker 1: wearing a Chris Long jersey, right right, And I got

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Speaker 1: a text from somebody saying, but do you have a

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Speaker 1: monkey riding the ram around the building. That would be great,

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Speaker 1: That would get a get, that would get NFL Network

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Speaker 1: on dead You want monkey for fifty one? Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: with you, monkey, And that's that's uh. Of Old Mars

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Speaker 1: was good. The game was bad, but Brutal Mars was good.

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Speaker 1: Just rather see a monkey writing dog. Okay, well that's different,

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Speaker 1: could have lived without. Yeah. Well let's speak for all

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Speaker 1: thank you Scott trade uh for everything you do, and

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Speaker 1: that the business that you operate in successful and in

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Speaker 1: this show, as you mentioned on video. So now our

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Speaker 1: Now YouTube, it's all happening, and uh, today's show will

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Speaker 1: be And I said it on Tuesday. Love Divisional round

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Speaker 1: weekend of football. So we're gonna dig into the four

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Speaker 1: games and we're digging in. You guys, you along with Colleen.

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Speaker 1: Last week you dug in on that wild card and

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Speaker 1: But we're diggingated in deeper in divisional weekend. Okay, Andrew

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Speaker 1: you guys made TV magic. Thank you Andrew, and thank

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Speaker 1: She is Sydney Carlson, lassie, what's up going great? We

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Speaker 1: into the stage where yeah, he's just sitting in the background.

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Speaker 1: Observing that's how high up he is in his position

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Speaker 1: at this point. But we all agreed that the pea code,

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Speaker 1: It's yes, all right, let's do some news California right

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Speaker 1: he lost that was that's that's the one I Dean

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Speaker 1: Lewis with his nineteenth teams if you want to, if

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Speaker 1: we want to dig into that. He also lost the

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Speaker 1: one after he left Mark Sanders in the preseason game

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Speaker 1: and they started talking sideways, and I was like, what,

431
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Speaker 1: he's never I'll say it backwards, I'll say it side

432
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Speaker 1: but good. At the press conference, see, I thought I'm

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Speaker 1: with you, Mark. I thought you um said all the

434
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Speaker 1: right things and struck all the right tones and and

435
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Speaker 1: that's all you want. I mean, you're selling something to

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Speaker 1: a fan base. He said all the right things. He

437
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Speaker 1: has energy, he has all the things that you knew

438
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Speaker 1: he had, and he proved that he was still that

439
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Speaker 1: guy when he got to the podium. The idea of

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Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson and I will breach NFL network protocol and

441
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Speaker 1: mentioned Underclassman, the idea of Hugh Jackson and Jared Goff

442
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Speaker 1: bad boy at two. That's exciting. Yeah, that that to

443
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Speaker 1: me is exciting. Now, does that mean they're going back

444
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Speaker 1: to the playoffs next year? No baby steps, little signs

445
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Speaker 1: of progress. Uh. Sure. It remains to be seen, however,

446
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Speaker 1: if they can get a personnel guy in there, because

447
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Speaker 1: of what we've discussed earlier, the fact that Sashi Brown

448
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Speaker 1: was given personnel control an hour after Week seventeen's game ended,

449
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Speaker 1: and that you know Ian Rappaport saying that they've already

450
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Speaker 1: had interviewer per perspective interviews blocked because their lateral moves.

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Speaker 1: That that I do have a problem with that power structure.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sit here and say Sashi Brown can't

453
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Speaker 1: pig players. That's not my job to pile off. I'm

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Speaker 1: saying thank you for that that the structure there is

455
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Speaker 1: is curious. Now it didn't affect their coaching search. We

456
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Speaker 1: don't think you could have been nineteenth choice. I don't know,

457
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Speaker 1: but this looks it from the outside now it's one step. Yeah.

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00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 1: I mean he it goes to show again the in

459
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Speaker 1: terms of what's the most attractive job, people take whatever

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Speaker 1: job is available. I mean, that's what Michael Silver said

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Speaker 1: about Hugh Jackson as Dan fixes my Now, I appreciate

462
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Speaker 1: the internet. You know, Hugh Jackson didn't want to risk,

463
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Speaker 1: you know, going for let's say the Giants job and

464
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Speaker 1: and losing out. It would kill him because he's been

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Speaker 1: in the NFL long enough to know you might not

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Speaker 1: have another job come around. It just might never happen.

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Speaker 1: You might. It's a fickle thing. Who's the hot coordinator

468
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Speaker 1: at the moment. Different guys are hot about depending on

469
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Speaker 1: depending on the year. My favorite aspect of all of

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Speaker 1: this is Mark's back in Let's He was never out,

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Speaker 1: but I think every time I think I'm out, they

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Speaker 1: pulled me back here that in fact, uh, this is

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Speaker 1: this is Mark Hope is back Mark. That's the important

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Speaker 1: thing here. And we you know, I was writing the

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Speaker 1: post on the press conference for Hugh Jackson, and part

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Speaker 1: of it is, you know, you're recording it and you're transcribing,

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Speaker 1: and I'm I'm typing up things and tweeting it out

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Speaker 1: from the around the NFL handle. And then in my

479
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Speaker 1: tweet dech feed, here's the old sizzler for well, first,

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Speaker 1: let's start with this. Let's start with this, Sydney. Let's

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Speaker 1: let's check out some of Mark's tweets. Alright, first we

482
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Speaker 1: have this alright, nice, okay, Silver reports it strong, higher

483
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Speaker 1: by the browns. Mark's warm and up, warm and up.

484
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Speaker 1: Then the press conference begins, and this is when I'm shocked.

485
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Speaker 1: I'm in the middle of writing posts and Mark's live

486
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Speaker 1: tweeting the press conference from home on his day off,

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Speaker 1: and I said, oh my god, Mark's in. Is he

488
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: going to go next level? I'm waiting for it. Were

489
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Speaker 1: you wearing at Dennis north Cut, Jersey while doing this?

490
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Speaker 1: I actually own a Dennis north Cut Jersey. These are

491
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Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson quotes in real time from Mark. And then finally,

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Speaker 1: well the quotes say, I have a hundred and forty

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Speaker 1: two texts on my own. I mean, he's just getting

494
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Speaker 1: a word for word. And then finally I knew it

495
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Speaker 1: was coming Mark Sessler. For the first time in many,

496
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Speaker 1: many years, Browns fans can feel good and proud about

497
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 1: is what is happening to this franchise Settlers. I might

498
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: have gotten a little overboard there, but I say something.

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Speaker 1: The reaction to that was telling, because if maybe people

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Speaker 1: in our office started to think a little bit differently

501
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Speaker 1: about a team that we've called a comprehensive train wreck

502
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,199
Speaker 1: for years. I still think the fans are not A

503
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: lot of the fan base is not sold at all.

504
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Speaker 1: I got shredded by people for tweeting that. Well, you

505
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: also used to Twitter. They pulled me back in. You

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Speaker 1: also know Twitter is a vast wasteland of negative. Yes,

507
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Speaker 1: I do I need to start doing what West doesn't

508
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: get that black button, but Block of Ball, the cynic

509
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: in me does. Remember you telling me just two weeks

510
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Speaker 1: ago after they made their coaching move, what's going on

511
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Speaker 1: with the Browns. I've been hearing you know, behind this,

512
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 1: it's worse than everyone possible. Well, I did hear that

513
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Speaker 1: this set no the setup, and it doesn't matter what's

514
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Speaker 1: going on. This is gonna take years, the thing, and

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00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna believe it. And you also say this

516
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 1: is the first I believed in them for many, many years,

517
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Speaker 1: that there's so much to feel good about. You literally

518
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Speaker 1: wrote a huge piece called Believe Land right before this. Alright, well,

519
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: but but Greg, you actually described perfectly. And I won't

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Speaker 1: speak for Andrew, but my life cycle is a Browns

521
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: fan is basically the hope only comes in the off season,

522
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Speaker 1: and you ride this thing up and you start to

523
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Speaker 1: think about the potential and oh, maybe their third string

524
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: guard is really a starter and he's hidden behind these

525
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: other guys. Then the games start and it's all over,

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Speaker 1: and you start thinking around week ten, as you're starting

527
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Speaker 1: to gear up for a Patriots playoff run, I'm in

528
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: doomsday scenario. Until the off season starts, they fire someone,

529
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Speaker 1: you get your hope back up again. Two things to

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00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: you a year ago there seven and four. All right,

531
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Speaker 1: let's not forget that. There's seven and four. They beat

532
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Speaker 1: the first place Bengals on T and F Brian horrors

533
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: running up the tunnel and humping his fist and Dante

534
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 1: Whitner's hugging people in the first row in Cincinnati their

535
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Speaker 1: seven and four exactly twenty four months ago. I believe

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Speaker 1: this week I walked into the NFL network, I walked

537
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: past Mark Sessler's desk, and he says to me, wouldn't

538
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: Gust Malzen and Johnny Manzel be awesome? It would make

539
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Speaker 1: them relevant? That's all I want, Just be relevant Manzel

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Speaker 1: and gust Malson. And my brother says to me last night,

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Speaker 1: I remember you said Manzel and Michael relevant, I said,

542
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 1: and and he did. He did. They just didn't win.

543
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: Not relevant in the good way. Next uh and speaking Manziel,

544
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: we gotta move on. But Hugh Jackson rap Sheet reported, Uh,

545
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson insisted to Jimmy Haslum that they move on

546
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Speaker 1: from Johnny Manziel Uh and I guess HASM was initially reluctant,

547
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: but Hugh Uh convinced them essentially. So look for the

548
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: Johnny Manziel era end in Cleveland. Will get into that

549
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: as a becomes more apparent. But let's move on to

550
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,719
Speaker 1: the other big higher um. This one is this one

551
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: official yet in New York, but it is very close

552
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: to official. Ben McAdoo, the offensive coordinator of the Giants

553
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: the past two seasons. UH rap Sheet reports there in negotiations,

554
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: final negotiatings to make him uh their new head coach,

555
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: replacing Tom Coughlin, who of course was there for the

556
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: last twelve seasons. But it's coming off four straight years

557
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Speaker 1: without the playoffs, so they're keeping some continuity, especially on

558
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: the offset off offensive side of the ball. Eli Manning

559
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: had gone to the Giants brass and vouched from McAdoo. UH.

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Speaker 1: The other surprising news to come out of this was

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Speaker 1: that rap Sheet also reported that Steve Spagnolo, who UH

562
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Speaker 1: you know, helmed one of the worst defenses in the league.

563
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: Whether that was his fault or more personnel um issue

564
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: is up for debate, and that's fair. But Spags will

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00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: be back too, so they keep the o c. Most

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Speaker 1: likely they're gonna promote him and make him head coach.

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Speaker 1: Spags still in the building. Tom Coughlin, out your thoughts, Greg,

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Speaker 1: What is going on here? Was this really the plan?

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Speaker 1: Tom Coflin's the entire problem with the Giants that everything

570
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Speaker 1: else is good. We gotta get rid of Coughlin and

571
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Speaker 1: then we're fine. McAdoo is such a hot coach that

572
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: we gotta promote him. We gotta keep the guy that

573
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Speaker 1: just gave up the most passing yards in NFL history,

574
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: right again, people, that most passing yards in NFL history.

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Speaker 1: We hammered the Saints all year. The Giants were worse

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Speaker 1: a few years ago. He also helmed the team that

577
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Speaker 1: gave up the most points in NFL history. That was

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Speaker 1: That was with the Saint and so, and you're keeping

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Speaker 1: the guy who has stocked this defense in Spagnola's defense

580
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Speaker 1: with absolutely lousy players at half the starting positions. That's

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Speaker 1: Jerry Reese. So it was just a strange move that

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Speaker 1: everything's going to be the same, except gotta get rid

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Speaker 1: of that problem Coflin. And it will really be amazing

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Speaker 1: if Cofflin goes to Philadelphia. Can we all root for that? Please? Yes?

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Speaker 1: And this is not an anti Giants rank here now.

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00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: I don't want Tom Coughlin to be in Philadelphia because

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Speaker 1: I want to rub it in the Giants faces they

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00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: they screwed over Tom Coughlin. No, I just think that

589
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: would be delicious. It would and you know, it almost

590
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: feels like and this is the Giants have earned the

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00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt. They've been so good. Uh really

592
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: since the parcels are in terms of, you know, keeping

593
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: things and handling things the right way. But this does

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00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: kind of feel like it was a change for the

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00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: sake of change, just because he had been around so long.

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Speaker 1: And uh, if you are watching on YouTube, they just showed,

597
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: uh the Odell Beckham head hunting incident against Carolina. I

598
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: wonder if that was the final straw and the ownership

599
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: just decided, you know what, this team needs a fresh start.

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Speaker 1: I'm sick of watching this kind of stuff. But Coughlin, yeah,

601
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: he's gonna get another job, it looks like. And the

602
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: Giants are just settling for the promotion from within. What.

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Speaker 1: I just wonder if this was their plan all along,

604
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: and if so, why interview five other kind of doubt it.

605
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: But maybe they just weren't. They weren't overwhelmed by any

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Speaker 1: of the other interviews. We'll see, I mean the little

607
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: I've heard McAdoo. I mean, the New York media, who

608
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: loves Tom Coffin will just be ready to pounds on it.

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00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: But they they also like McAdoo. I see here's I

610
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: don't mind Ben McAdoo as as a head coach that

611
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: that sounds like a really tepid endorsement. But I've heard

612
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: enough good things about Ben mcadow because he's bringing in

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00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: Joe Philbin and the Electricity as well. But the the

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Speaker 1: to your point, Greg, My very first reaction last night

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Speaker 1: was wait a minute. So Tom Coughin evidently was the

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Speaker 1: only issue. Now, I'm with you on the players, right,

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Speaker 1: and Jerry Reese, you the part of the press conference

618
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: that people aren't focusing on last week or two weeks ago. Well, people,

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Speaker 1: he didn't shake John Mera's hand. Alright, move on the

620
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: end of the presser when Jerry Reee got exceedingly defensive,

621
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Speaker 1: because you know, people are asked point blank and John

622
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: Marrow's as point blank are Kim Jones asked John Merri

623
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: point blank? Why is Jerry Reese here and Tom Coughlin out?

624
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that he needs to be fired,

625
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: but the only change Tom Coughlin. To me, it just

626
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: doesn't feel right. It's very weird. I mean, I'll remember

627
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: Coughlin saying that we've been seven and nine, I would

628
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: have fought tooth and nail to keep this job, which

629
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: was a weird statement. But It's like, did they not

630
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: know that he was going to turn around right away

631
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Speaker 1: and look for another job? I mean, this sets the

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Speaker 1: situation they did. I bet you I I I bet

633
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Speaker 1: you they didn't. I mean they've known him for twelve years.

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00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,959
Speaker 1: They know exactly who he is. They know that he

635
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: is going to coach until one day someone tells him

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Speaker 1: you can't coach anymore. So I bet you they have now.

637
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Speaker 1: Whether or not he was going to get another job,

638
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: I think that might be the better question, because maybe

639
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: they thought, well, sure he wants to do something. But

640
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: I don't think they ever could have envisioned that. You know,

641
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: the guy down the turnpike is now going to be

642
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: Tom Coughlin. That would be juicy theater and I'm looking

643
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: forward to it. It's going to happen, I think, so

644
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: maybe bad time people hear this. Um alright, that's what's

645
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: happening in the news. Andrew Siciliano is the host of

646
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: this you know the Big Leagues, I mean, this is

647
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 1: NFL guys are talking about. Uh. He is the host

648
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: of the Around the NFL television show. It is two

649
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: hours throughout this week. It's five to seven east of

650
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: the time, all through the playoffs. It is two hours,

651
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: it is seven. What is today? Today's Thursday called Jackson

652
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: will join the program today tomorrow. I have zero idea

653
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: um and we're here all next week, although then I'm

654
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: actually heading down to East Weston Senior Bowl. So around

655
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: the NFL, I'm just saying around the NFL will continue

656
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:44,919
Speaker 1: up until the Monday after conference championship games, and it's done.

657
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: Then it's done, and then we all ship off to

658
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: San Francisco. You've done it again, Andrew. Thank you for

659
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: stopping by. Andrew, come back soon, gentlemen. I'm sorry for

660
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: taking all of Westling's time. I've got this court issue anyway,

661
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: so it doesn't it's about me. West is having some

662
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: issues at the court attached to our headsets, and uh,

663
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: he's in a sarily moved I'm a Mike Hog and

664
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: I take all Western Times Crystal Force. Well, thank you, Andrew,

665
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: and I think that having you on news is great

666
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: because you are so plugged in and you were wonderful

667
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 1: in the rams. You're you're a gentleman and a scholar,

668
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: and hey, the first step for me take it off

669
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: the air, guys, I admit I have a problem and

670
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: Siciliano alright, so the news is done, and now we

671
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: move on to division weekend, and we'll start out in

672
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Speaker 1: New England because I know this is a game that

673
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: we need. We need to talk about the Patriots because

674
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: they have the Kansas City Chiefs coming into their building,

675
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: a Chiefs team that has won eleven straight, uh, including

676
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: a thirty to nothing shutout win at Houston last week. UH, embarrassing.

677
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien, who you know, connect the dots, Bill Belichick's boy,

678
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: they know how to beat a Patriots like team that

679
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: last year when they destroyed the Patriots, right exactly. So

680
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: then so then you have stuff going on in New

681
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: England this week and uh today Thursday, Rob Gronkowski sat

682
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 1: out in other practice with some type of knee issue.

683
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: You got Bill Belichick with a black eye. You got

684
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones wandering in a confused state over to the

685
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: police station, UH, with some on some type of substance.

686
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to say it's you know,

687
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: throne of sleeves slash agony right now is in full

688
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: effect as this game heads towards us. But actually I

689
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: am saying that I believe the Patriots. I picked the

690
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: cheese in this game. Will get into our picks later.

691
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: But guess what, I think A lot of stuff is

692
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: working against your Pats. Here your thoughts. Well, it's been

693
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: a terrible week for the Patriots, there's no doubt about that.

694
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,439
Speaker 1: But the Patriots have thrived very often when things are

695
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 1: cooking behind the scenes against him. I don't know if

696
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: you remember this, um, but there was this whole scinal

697
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: about the deflated balls last year. Let happened right That

698
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: happened right before the playoffs, and they ended up winning

699
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. So I don't think anything that Tom

700
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: Brady wrote a book, by the way, called If I

701
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: Did It? Uh, So I don't think any through a

702
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: slightly deflated football. I don't think that anything that's happened

703
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: off the field this week matters. I like that belichicks

704
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 1: in fight in shape right now. He's angry, he's taken.

705
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: He's taken on the press by saying, what do you

706
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: want me to do? Photocopy or playbook and send it

707
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 1: to Kansas City after after getting a lot of questions

708
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 1: about Chandler Jones and a lot of different questions. Looks

709
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: like he lost the fight. Wow, he's angry. Everyone's a

710
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: little prickly. The only thing that matters in all this

711
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: are the injuries. Gronkowski not being a is a massive problem.

712
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: We don't know if Chandler Jones and Sebastard Volmer are

713
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: going to play. We do expect Julian Edelman Dante height

714
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: Tower are going to be back. This team needs to

715
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: be healthy to have a chance on offense. They have

716
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: been a lousy offense for the last six weeks of

717
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 1: the seas in and some of the problems that they

718
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: have I don't think are magically gonna be solved just

719
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: because Julian Edelman's out there. The interior of their offensive

720
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: line is basically what it is. It's not about the injuries.

721
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: It's about that they're not that great, and that their

722
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: rookies and that they're gonna have to go against Don

723
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: Terry Poe, Alan Bailey, Jay Howard who are playing excellent

724
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 1: for Kansas City, and I think it's gonna be tough

725
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: to score on this Kansas City team. They're not the

726
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: only team with injuries, though that's fair. The Chiefs best

727
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: wide receiver and best running back have not practiced this week.

728
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: Spencer Ware also battling an ankle injury. Nile Davis closed

729
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: out last week's game, not Spencer Ware, so this is

730
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: a major concern as well as he's been running well.

731
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Speaker 1: One thing I noticed watching the coaches tape of the

732
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: Chiefs Texans was no one really noticed Tom Bali is

733
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: far from a hundred percent. He barely played last week

734
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: justin Houston, did not have a great game rushing the

735
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: past there, did not make any sort of headway against

736
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: a backup left tackle for the Texans. And deef Ward

737
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,919
Speaker 1: is not ac he's playing all the snaps, but he's

738
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: been on the injury report. So what makes the chief

739
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: special is their entire defensive line. And the guys in

740
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: the middle right now are great. Don Terry po is

741
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: on fire right now. Did not start off the season well,

742
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: but he's on fire. But the guys on the outside,

743
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: where Vollmer for instance is, and and where the Patriots

744
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: have struggled to protect Tom Brady too, they are not. Yeah.

745
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: I mean, Brady's been sacked the third most of any

746
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: season his his career. And you talk all year about, oh,

747
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: the Patriots have the most lone combinations and they found

748
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: a way to get But I do think that that

749
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: they are much more vulnerable than a Patriots playoff team

750
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: we've seen in recent past, and the Chiefs. The question

751
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 1: for me, if Macklin is out and if the running

752
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: backs aren't a hundred percent, is if the Patriots get

753
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: out to a quick start. I I don't think that

754
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: this Chief's team is built to really come from behind necessarily.

755
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: They want to get ahead and manage the game and

756
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: use their defense to kind of squeeze the life out

757
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: of teams like they did last week. That was an

758
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: absolute Andy Reid fever dream what we saw against the Texans.

759
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: Nothing could have been put on paper any better than that.

760
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: But I don't know if you do that against the Patriots.

761
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: But what are you point to in New England says

762
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: they're gonna get that. That's what I mean. I mean,

763
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: I think everything is Listen, the Patriots. They prove people

764
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: wrong every January. But the way this is setting up,

765
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: it just it feels like the Chiefs are in a

766
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: great spot that the the Pats. And especially if this

767
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: if Gronk is actually hurt and he's limited or god forbid,

768
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: throwing him sleeves doesn't play the Patriots. They're done. They're

769
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 1: not gonna They're not gonna score enough points if Gronk

770
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: isn't on the field making plays. He's that important to

771
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: this offense. And I just think that in a low

772
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: scoring game, you know, a type game. I like the

773
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 1: Chiefs who are finding a way to win every week

774
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 1: for almost three months. They're a tough opponent. But he said,

775
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: what do we have to point to the last fifteen years,

776
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 1: the greatest quarterback of all time, one of the greatest

777
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: coaches of all time, A team that maybe it's I

778
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: don't know if you can make this a factor, but

779
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: a team that knows ultimately those December games aren't as

780
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: meaningful as the January games and has a history of

781
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: playing better in January. So that's as a Patriots fan

782
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,479
Speaker 1: when I'm pointing to. In addition to I feel good

783
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: about this defense, certainly against Kansas City. This is the

784
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: team I was hoping to play, either Kansas City or Houston,

785
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: because this Kansas City Chiefs offense is not playing that

786
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: well lately. It's fine, I mean, it's into solid offense

787
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: that can run the ball well, but Alex Smith is

788
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: making too many mistakes four interceptions over the last three

789
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 1: weeks that we're not anyone else's fault. But Alex Smith,

790
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,919
Speaker 1: and they're only throwing the ball twenty five times a game.

791
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: He cannot make those sort of mistakes against New England.

792
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: And this is the best Patriots defense I've seen in

793
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: eleven years. And they're mostly healthy. We're not We're not

794
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,720
Speaker 1: totally sure about Chandler Jones. But they got a pass rush,

795
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: they got a nice secondary, They can mix up a

796
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 1: lot of things, uh with their linebackers, and and I

797
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: like their chances of holding the Chiefs down to ten

798
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: thirteen points sometime. I mean, you seem supremely confident to me.

799
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: I mean, if they ever dropped this would this be

800
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: where were this ranks the most disappointing playoff loss for

801
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 1: this Belichick Brady Combo, Because this is a team you think,

802
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: you know how made maybe midway through the season that

803
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 1: the New England would finish the year falling to Kansas

804
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,919
Speaker 1: City and the playoffs, that would be highly disappointing. Yeah,

805
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: losing a game to the Chiefs and Alex Smith at

806
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: home in the playoffs would be hugely disappointing. I mean,

807
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: it's buffered by the fact that they won the Super

808
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:22,919
Speaker 1: Bowl last year. That kind of gives you a little

809
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 1: bit of a you know, a little bit of at

810
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: a little bit of a feeling like, well, you know,

811
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: they got it last year. This year wasn't meant to be.

812
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 1: But to lose to the Chiefs would be disappointed, although

813
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be as disappointing as losing to the Broncos

814
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: or Louising in the Super Bowl. That's the highest level

815
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: of pain. Who's the player, Yeah, who's the player on

816
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 1: the Chiefs West who could make a difference and uh

817
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: swing this game potentially that people aren't talking about. Well,

818
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: I think Travis Kelsey. We we haven't mentioned his name,

819
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: but if Gronk isn't, you're gonna see the closest replica

820
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: to Gronk on the other side of the field. I mean,

821
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,959
Speaker 1: he was dynamite against the Texans and he's I think

822
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: just as good as Gronk after the catch, I'd like

823
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: to bringing dynamite back. How about Marcus Peters, Yeah, I

824
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: think he's an interesting guy to watch, especially if he's

825
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: against Edelman, who plays on the outside a lot more

826
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 1: than people seem to realize, and so that's where Peters

827
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: is gonna be. Peters gives up a lot of big

828
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: plays and makes a lot of big play, so he's

829
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: someone that's always in the middle of the action, whether

830
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: it's good or bad. He played off on DeAndre Hopkins

831
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: last week. If he plays off Edelman, the Patriots are

832
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: gonna feast. There's something special going on in Kansas City, though.

833
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: That is when I'm leaning on. Ultimately, this is all

834
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: I have left. You guys know that. I mean, after

835
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: what happened with the Jets. You know, the Patriots winning

836
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: another Super Bowl would be too much for me to bear.

837
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: So I think this is a point the Pats get

838
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: by this game. They play really well, they got the

839
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: momentum again and you can see them rolling uh into

840
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: San Francisco. This is the chance, I think for them

841
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 1: to go down and I will rely on the almost

842
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: out out of these now, West, I know you'll be excited.

843
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 1: The two thousand team season Divisional Research notes the Blues.

844
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: The Chiefs have won eleven straight games. We know that

845
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 1: their longest winning streak and team history. Over that eleven

846
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: game span, the Chiefs are averaging twenty eight points a game.

847
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: They're allowing less than twelve points a game. So not

848
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: only are they scoring points, this is working on both sides.

849
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: This is a special run this team is on. So

850
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: what's up tomato cans? M hmm, that's I don't understand

851
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 1: how you can say that. In the NFL, a team

852
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: going on eleven game winning streak is ever gonna be

853
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 1: considering a tomato cans. It's exam Yeah, they've extremely impressive

854
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: to win eleven games straight, but they're they haven't beaten

855
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: the Patriots during net span. Well, let's now go around

856
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 1: the room. Then let's see if anyone agrees with me. Uh.

857
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: We'll start with Mark, give us your pick in this

858
00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: game and the score. I cannot. I've done this before.

859
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: I picked the Patriots to not make the playoffs before

860
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: the season, and I'm paying sandwiches because of it. I

861
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: still don't know why you did that. I don't know

862
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: why I did it, So I'm not gonna do it again.

863
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: They're gonna win this game. It's not going to be

864
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: we talked about. Can they drop a forty burger? No,

865
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: they can't. They're gonna win this game one, and I

866
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 1: think the Chiefs are gonna make this a very interesting contest.

867
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: I have a lot of respect for Kansas City Patriots. Confidently,

868
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: and with Gusto Julian Edelman is a difference maker. Rob

869
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: Gronkowski rap sheet tells us it seems like they're it's

870
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 1: a bit of a precaution with the practice stuff. His

871
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: understanding is Gronk will be fine for this weekend. Danny Amondola,

872
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: Tom Brady is gonna be taking these quick steps, these

873
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: quick drops, throwing real quick passes to Edelman, Amandolan, Gronk.

874
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: I feel like they're gonna be fine. Score Patriots thirty one, Chiefs.

875
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: All right. I believe the Chiefs will knock off the Patriots,

876
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: uh twenty the fourteen their defense gets a stop in

877
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: the final possession. I think the chief safeties maybe show

878
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 1: up as a bit of a problem. Abdullah and Taiwan

879
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 1: Branch on the field for a ton of snaps last week.

880
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: Patriots defense plays great twenty three. I think I think

881
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: the defense is a little underrated right now. All right,

882
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: there you go. Let's move on now to the second

883
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: game on Saturday. This is an eight fifteen pm kickoff

884
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 1: Eastern Time with Alan Chris the Green Bay Packers heading

885
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: to Arizona to face the Cardinals. And we know what happened.

886
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 1: It was I believe less than a month ago that

887
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 1: the uh Packers are absolutely embarrassed by the Cardinals. Uh

888
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: in a blowout loss that really had people wondering if

889
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: the Packers were completely done. But then we see what happens.

890
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,919
Speaker 1: You can't figure out football, like John Sterling said, Uh,

891
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: you can't figure it out because all of a sudden,

892
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers and the Packers offense looked like Aaron Rodgers

893
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: and the Packers offense against the Redskins went off. Uh.

894
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: So they look great last week. So now you you

895
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: ask yourself, Greg Rosenthal, will that Green Bay Packers offense

896
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: show up against the Cardinals or will be a lot

897
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: like what happened last time where the Cardinals are much

898
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: better team than they'll play like it in their building.

899
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: I don't think you can expect that sort of dominance

900
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: from the Cardinals, but I do think the problems that

901
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: the Packers have showed for three months will eventually show

902
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: up in this game. No team blitz is more than

903
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 1: the Cardinals. No team has really struggled with the blitz

904
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: uh more than this Packers team in terms of comparing

905
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 1: it to other Packers teams. And I think ultimately the

906
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,959
Speaker 1: defense is coming after and wave after wave. They'll force

907
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: a couple of turnovers and the Cardinals will be fine.

908
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: It will look like that game from a few weeks ago. Yeah,

909
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,479
Speaker 1: both coaches are downplaying what happened in the previous game.

910
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: That was such a comprehensive beat down that in the

911
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: first half of that game, the Packers punter had a

912
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: seven yard run That was their longest run in the

913
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: first half they had. It was the worst, the worst

914
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 1: loss of Aaron Rond's career in the Packers era, and

915
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: Bruce arians has downplayed it as a couple of fumbles

916
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 1: bounced our way. But that was a comprehensive beat down.

917
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: And and I wrote this preview for our site, And

918
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: in the three years I've been writing previews, this was

919
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: the one where I couldn't. I mean, I tried to

920
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: make a case for the Packers to win and I

921
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: just can't do it. I'm with you, I mean, you

922
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: think that the story of this year's Cardinals is gonna

923
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: be Week seventeen, we get waxed by Seattle and then

924
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna go drop our home playoff game to this

925
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers team. That's not how the team of

926
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 1: a TLS gonna go. Absolutely not how they right and

927
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: that is that Sattle game was a little strange, but

928
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: it's the only time tale no very concerning. It's the

929
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: only time all year, though, that they did not really

930
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: look prepared and seemed completely outclassed. They're not going to

931
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: do that this week. I look at the Packers offense

932
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,439
Speaker 1: and Calais Campbell had the game of the season against them,

933
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 1: two and a half sacks, three or four plays behind

934
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. In addition to that, drew two

935
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: holding penalties. They're gonna shut down the running game. I

936
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: feel confident about that. And then you've got Patrick Peterson

937
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: eliminating James Jones because physically, James Jones is not in

938
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: the same neighborhood as Patrick Peterson. Dante Adams isn't even playing.

939
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: Probably so Randall Cobb, who hasn't hit a hundred yard

940
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: game in fifteen weeks, is going to be the wild

941
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,280
Speaker 1: card there. I don't I don't know if amberd Harris,

942
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: I think Scott you know, I think Rogers has said

943
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: he wanted him on the field more even before the

944
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: Adams injury. He's gonna be on the me and are

945
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: making the leave candidates next exactly. I think if you

946
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: were gonna make a case for the Packers it is

947
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: the running game, because everyone's saying Aaron Rodgers looked like

948
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers last week. Aaron Modgers made one nice throw

949
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: improvised to James Jones that really kick started their first

950
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: touchdown drive. He was very solid and efficient the rest

951
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: of the game. He was smart, but it was the

952
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: running game that took over. And when the Packers have

953
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: been good over the last second half of the season,

954
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: it's when they can get these these chiefs like twelve

955
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: thirteen play drives, keep Carson Palmer off the field. Maybe

956
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: you can run against this Cardinals front, which is good,

957
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: but I don't think it's the most dominant part of

958
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: their team. Kind of slow the game down and just

959
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: hope for a relatively low scoring game. But this, this

960
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: thirty eight eight score, it's hard to move past that.

961
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: Because I went and looked at my little Quarterback Index ratings,

962
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: I had that as the fourth I had that as

963
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: the fourth worst Carson Palmer game of the year. Now,

964
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,240
Speaker 1: he did nothing wrong in that game, but basically Carson Palmer,

965
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: who has been one of, if not the best quarterbacks

966
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,760
Speaker 1: in the league, didn't have to do much of anything

967
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: for his team to beat the Packers by thirty. And

968
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: I think that home field advantage is a real thing.

969
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the toughest places the players.

970
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: One thing about Bruce arians you can look at when

971
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: he was with the Steelers. You can look at the

972
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: one playoff game when he was the coordinator with the Browns,

973
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: and he's gonna happen this weekend too. He is. He

974
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 1: turns up the aggressive factor in the playoffs. He's gonna

975
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: throw the ball a ton And I guarantee the Packers

976
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:58,919
Speaker 1: past defense, what is its sixth best in the league.

977
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: It's not a does Asta on any level. But there

978
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: are too many healthy, good players on Arizona's offense to

979
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: prevent big players from happening in Green Bay's not gonna

980
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 1: catch up if they get behind in this This offense

981
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,399
Speaker 1: is a juggernai. I mean not enough people are talking

982
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: about that going into the playoffs. That since week thirteaen

983
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 1: when David Johnson took over for Chris Johnson, he leads

984
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: the NFL and yards for scrimmage. You've got three wide

985
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: receivers perfectly capable of putting a two yard game on you.

986
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: And Michael Floyd John Brown and Larry Fitzgerald. They've got

987
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 1: so many weapons, and Carson Palmer passed the ball better

988
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: than any quarterback in the NFL this season. This this

989
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: offense hascre thirty or forty points. And that's ultimately why

990
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: it's very hard to pick the Packers because they're gonna

991
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: have to win a shootout on the road against the Cardinals.

992
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: And I mean a lot of obviously lot has been

993
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: made about Jordy Nelson and how his loss was the

994
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: catalyst for everything that went wrong with Green Bay's offense,

995
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: which before Nelson got hurt, I remember on this very

996
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: podcast we were talking about maybe that offense could challenge

997
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: what Denver did a couple of years ago. But it's

998
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: been more than Jordy Nells and and I think the

999
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 1: only way they can hang in a shootout is if

1000
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: some weird things happen. They're gonna need Eddie Lacy to

1001
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 1: look like the Eddie Lacy of the second half of

1002
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: last season. They're gonna need Eddie Lacy to have a

1003
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty totally yards some scrimmage. They're gonna need

1004
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: to get in the end zone. They're gonna need Randall

1005
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 1: cob to somehow get separation. Uh, you're gonna need James

1006
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: Jones to make a play against Patrick Peterson. These are

1007
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: not easy things to do, but all this stuff has

1008
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 1: to click and then Aaron Rodgers has to drop a bomb.

1009
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, who we've talked about being the ultimate quarterback

1010
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: and at the height of his powers, he has missed

1011
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: too many throws this season. He needs to absolutely be

1012
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: perfect and that's the only way they can steal this game.

1013
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: They need a special teams touchdown or a defensive touchdown,

1014
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: some sort of turnout early, get a little bit of

1015
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: a lead, and then if you want to make the

1016
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: case for the Packers, you know that Cardinals do not

1017
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: have not have a lot of experience winning playoff games.

1018
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: They haven't done it under Bruce Arians because they they've

1019
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: only had that one chance with with Ryan Linley. Carson

1020
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: Palmer's thirty six years old. We give Andy Dalton, you know,

1021
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: for never winning a playoff game. Carson Bomber has never

1022
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: won a playoff game, Am I right? I mean, well,

1023
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: my point, it's my point is this is an organization

1024
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,399
Speaker 1: that hasn't had experience, and if experience matters whatsoever, you're

1025
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: facing the most experienced team in the NFC, the most

1026
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: experienced quarterback. I think that's where it matters more that

1027
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: you could expect. Maybe you could get a great Aaron

1028
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,879
Speaker 1: Rodgers performance to make it tough on them, and if

1029
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: you just get a couple of breaks and and luck

1030
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 1: does matter in the playoffs sometime. Can the Packers get

1031
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: a lead start really feeling good about themselves after what

1032
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: happened last week? Their defense has played pretty well lately.

1033
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: I mean, they've got players on defense. It is not

1034
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: an easy matchup for the Cardinals offense. I obviously give

1035
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: them the edge, but I think the Packers are a

1036
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 1: legit top ten defense right now. Pepper is playing well,

1037
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 1: Neil's playing well, Daniels playing well. Overall, it's a pretty

1038
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,280
Speaker 1: solid defense. And you just hope you maybe get lucky

1039
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: with a tip pass. You get a little lead, and

1040
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: you got a chance. Here's the case. It's not a

1041
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: very strong one at all. Well you tried, Greg, I

1042
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: choke a good job. Yeah, I tried, but I can't

1043
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: do it. Let's go around the hornet. That was the

1044
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: strongest Kashinsky's case and making a murder. Oh well, well played.

1045
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: Spoilers three. I actually decided to give up on it

1046
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 1: last night. It was a tough decision. I gave up

1047
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,240
Speaker 1: on nine three and a half episodes. Why am I?

1048
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna put my through this anymore? Interesting decision?

1049
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: Greg always counterculture. Let's make our picks now, starting with

1050
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: Quiet Storm. I mean you mentioned that Bengals game. Well

1051
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: it's counter Wait, it's counterculture because you are a guy

1052
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: that you like to like, Oh, everyone's into this, Well

1053
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: I'm into that. So you know, the everyone is like, oh,

1054
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,399
Speaker 1: making the murder so good on Netflix, Let's let's let's

1055
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: binge watch it. You're like, yeah, I'd rather check out.

1056
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 1: You know, the Pixies live in Buddha. I gave it

1057
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: a three and a half hours of my life. That's

1058
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: like longer than any movie ever made, just about you

1059
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying that counterculture. I don't think that

1060
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: makes sense a miscontext. You're a hipster counter dressed like

1061
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 1: a hipster today. You you you know you're kind of a hipster.

1062
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: That's nothing to do with making it murder, all right? Yeah,

1063
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,879
Speaker 1: I mean you mentioned that Bengals game where Palmer went down.

1064
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: Unless something like that happens, I don't see this offense

1065
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: being slowed down. Nice argument, Greg, you did you did,

1066
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 1: You did a fair job there, But it's just that

1067
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: this is what the Cardinal has been priming for all season.

1068
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: Next week we can talk maybe things change there in Carolina,

1069
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: but it ain't happening this time. They're gonna win thirty

1070
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: eight to fourteen. Whoa whoa blowout, Chris Wesley. I think

1071
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: any of our listeners who have been with us for

1072
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: a couple of years have probably deduced that we respect

1073
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: the Packers. This is one of the teams where we

1074
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: liked their quarterback, we liked their coach, we like the organization.

1075
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: We tend to give them the benefit of the doubt.

1076
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 1: But Packers, it's not your year. Sorry, it's just not

1077
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 1: your year. You are a flawed team and you have

1078
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: been for three months. You're broken beyond repair at this point.

1079
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: I believe just because you beat a bad Redskins team,

1080
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: where a mediocre Redskins team jumping off that Redskins bad mediocre?

1081
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: I know, I said they were a good team. We

1082
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 1: have a do we have a sound of the Cousins

1083
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 1: bandwagon crashing as people scream in the midst of fire.

1084
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: It's over, Cousins. You had play the play the tape

1085
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 1: back from every debate we had about the Redskins, and

1086
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: all I ever said was they were as good as

1087
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: any NFC East. We're just playing with you, wes Ling.

1088
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: Cardinals win thirty seven. Um. I will give the Packers

1089
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: credit for not completely flaming out and losing in wild

1090
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: card weekend. I think a lot of people saw that

1091
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: as a possibility. Uh, So I give him credit for that.

1092
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: And so the season isn't by Packers terms and embarrassment

1093
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 1: if they get beat here unless they get blown out.

1094
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: I don't think they'll get blown out, though I think

1095
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 1: they will. Um. They will score some points here, uh

1096
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: to make it look respectable, but ultimately, uh, this is

1097
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: the team of around the NFL after all. So hell,

1098
00:56:56,040 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 1: I am picking against them Cardinals thirty Yeah, yeah, news flash,

1099
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: I'm not picking against the Cardinals the rest of the year,

1100
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: doesn't matter who they're playing, the Cardinals. I do think

1101
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: that the Packers I have a feeling they'll somehow make

1102
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: it interesting for a half, but then the Cardinals pull

1103
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: away thirty one seventeen. Yeah. I'm kind of in the

1104
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: same boat as you. I could even see the Green

1105
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: Bay scoring early and there's some uneasiness in the crowd,

1106
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: but then just the you know, how good the Cardinals are,

1107
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: they take control. We'll see how plays out. That's that's

1108
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: the fun part, guys, And we get to watch it

1109
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: well the humans that are interested and are privileged enough

1110
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: to either be at the game, have a television, or

1111
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: be at a bar. That's fair. When I say all humans,

1112
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: I have not covered my basis because plenty will not be.

1113
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: I don't even know this scheme is happening on any level,

1114
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: especially babies. Babies don't care. Babies could care less. Let's

1115
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: move on to Sunday. Uh. The Seattle Seahawks, they have

1116
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: won the NFC back to back seasons. They have not

1117
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: lost the playoff game in the NFC since the well season.

1118
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: But now they head to Carolina to face Charlotte to

1119
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: be you know, accurate, to face the Panthers, a team

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00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: that went fifteen and won this season. They won the

1121
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: they they nailed the the top seed. They they went eight.

1122
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: No in their building, they're blowing out teams, but uh,

1123
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: every week at their building by the end of the season,

1124
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: not playing great teams, but they're playing with a high

1125
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: level of confidence. And you assume that you'll see that

1126
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: come through here. But these are Chris Wesling. The Seattle

1127
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: Seahawks a team that we cannot overlook. They snuck by

1128
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: the Vikings with the help of the football gods last weekend,

1129
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: but zero degree temperatures, blah blah blah. Now they get

1130
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: a team in the Panthers that will give them everything

1131
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: they can handle. Your thoughts about this game? I love.

1132
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: This game is the hardest game to pick. It's two

1133
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: teams I really respect and like watching two well rounded teams,

1134
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 1: two teams with really hot quarterbacks learning to play from

1135
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: the pocket and already were massive threat outside of the pocket. Uh.

1136
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: I give the Seahawks a little bit of an edge

1137
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: because I defy you to look at the Panther schedule

1138
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 1: and tell me, outside of the Seahawks, what's the good

1139
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: defense to Cam Newton beat. Their schedule reads like a

1140
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: list of the worst past defenses in the NFL. But

1141
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: that's not their faulted Yeah again in Seattle in Week six,

1142
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: when the Seahawks weren't the same team that they are now,

1143
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: that's fair, but really the only difference on defense was

1144
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner missed that game, which was actually a big face.

1145
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: They weren't playing the same cam Chancer wasn't playing nearly

1146
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: as well then, and I don't think Earl Thomas and

1147
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: Richard Sherman were playing as well at that point in

1148
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 1: the season. That's fine, I agree, I don't think Carolina

1149
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 1: was playing as well either. They closed the season offensively

1150
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 1: better than ever. This could be a Super Bowl or

1151
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: it should be the Super I mean a lot of

1152
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: years the Super Bowl matchup is not nearly as good

1153
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: as this. I think these are two of the three

1154
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 1: best teams in the league. This is certainly the game

1155
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: of the weekend. It's one of the best divisional round

1156
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 1: matchups you can You can imagine this is the early

1157
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: game on Sunday. All four of us are are in.

1158
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: I wanna you know, we gotta be We should be

1159
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 1: excited to be watching this. I am our our focus.

1160
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a treat for us now. Talking

1161
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 1: about chatting with the photo department during this game was

1162
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: gonna come up from last week when I was trying

1163
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 1: to be, you know, a man of the people, in

1164
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 1: a nice person and chatting with someone in photo during

1165
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: a absolutely boring playoff game that was out of whack

1166
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 1: at that point and Greg the Redskins Packers game late

1167
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: in it. It got this obviously got on Greg's radar,

1168
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 1: and I didn't hear about it till now on a

1169
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: videotaped segment for NFL later. Second, So you thought that

1170
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 1: Mark was being a little chatterbox, and I'm joking, Mark,

1171
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: I'm joking, Mark's the one that brought it up. Uh

1172
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: that that very night, I think you're talking about it. Uh,

1173
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: you know that you had a delightful chat with one

1174
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 1: of our photo editors, and it's now become a thing. No,

1175
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: my point is this, how much how much better could

1176
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 1: a game get than two teams that are mirror images

1177
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: two of the best defense in the league. The Wilson

1178
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: and Cam Newton to end the season the last seven

1179
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: weeks combined for forty nine touchdowns and two interceptions. So

1180
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 1: they are about as hot going into the playoffs as

1181
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 1: any two quarterbacks have ever been in NFL history. And

1182
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: they're going up against each other and they both have

1183
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: really tough matchups against defenses that are talented at all

1184
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 1: three levels. I mean, keik Lee and Davis playing well,

1185
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's just as good as a game

1186
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 1: that doesn't get you excited. You're beyond Yeah. I wish

1187
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 1: this was the Saturday night game because I just think

1188
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 1: that that I actually have that game off, and I

1189
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: wanted to be as exciting as last Saturday Night Bengals

1190
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 1: Steelers and that game, that Arizona game is gonna be

1191
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 1: a big old wipe out, gonna be over by the

1192
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: third quarter. This one, and we say this, it seems

1193
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: like every year about the Seahawks under Pete Carroll. They

1194
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: aren't the team they were back a month or two

1195
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: in the season, and no team does a better job

1196
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 1: outside of New England finding itself by playoff time, getting

1197
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 1: itself together there This thing, I don't want to say.

1198
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: It reminds me of two years ago when the Panthers

1199
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: had an excellent season, won the division, went into the

1200
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: Divisional round at home as the favorite, and they got

1201
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: pounded by the Niners, a more physical team. It's not

1202
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 1: that situation, but this is a better team. But they

1203
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 1: I feel like, you go fifteen and one and you

1204
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 1: drew this as your game. This is dangerous and I

1205
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 1: don't see Carolina as a favorite on any level. This

1206
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 1: is a you can pick them here. They're more talented

1207
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 1: on defense, the Seahawks are. I really believe that this

1208
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 1: is the best defense of our lifetime that that I've

1209
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 1: seen in terms of consisting statistically, it is over over

1210
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 1: a four year period, three or four year period. Bruce

1211
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 1: Irvin is playing really well. Michael Bennett was unblockable last week.

1212
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 1: Cliff Avril av hit a monster season. The Cliff Averell.

1213
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: The Cliff Avril game against the Panthers the first time around,

1214
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 1: that is almost right there with Klais Campbell against the Packers.

1215
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 1: Cliff Avriel ruined that game for three quarters and and

1216
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:00,919
Speaker 1: still the Seahawks, it's it's tough. It's a really tough

1217
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 1: matchup for them because the Panther's offense is so hard

1218
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: to prepare for. They they have so many different little

1219
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 1: setups where you got Stewart and Tilber and then you

1220
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: got Stewart in one of the tight ends, and you

1221
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 1: have the different formations and it all looks the same,

1222
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: and then you have Cam Newton in the middle of that.

1223
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 1: And they take advantage of Michael Bennett and Cliff Avriel's aggressiveness.

1224
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 1: They can, you know, do the sweep with Brown or

1225
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 1: anything they want to do. They're they're so good Mike

1226
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 1: Seula that it is it's so hard to prepare for that.

1227
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 1: You have to give them credit. I think their offense

1228
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 1: has been the best in the league. Well yeah, and

1229
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 1: they have been. Uh they are first in offense and

1230
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 1: scoring thirty almost thirty one points a game in fact.

1231
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: And and you guys are giving the Seahawks a lot

1232
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 1: of credit. And it's good that you are, and I

1233
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: am too. I mean, they're a great team, they're they're

1234
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 1: a champion in this conference. But I just think that

1235
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 1: we need to give the Panthers the benefit of the

1236
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 1: doubt in this game. I think this is a special

1237
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 1: season in Charlotte and I would be shocked if they

1238
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 1: in their building in their first playoff game and this

1239
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: special MVP season for Cam Newton that we don't get

1240
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 1: not a good game from Cam Newton, a great game,

1241
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 1: And I think that's the difference. I think Newton is

1242
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 1: hit that level as a pro right now where he

1243
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: is just in a lock, locked in mode, and even

1244
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 1: though Seattle has historically great defense, I think he's still

1245
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 1: gonna make plays both of his legs and through the air.

1246
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 1: And that's why I think the Carolina Panthers will move on.

1247
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 1: I look at it the exact opposite way. We need

1248
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 1: to give the Seahawks to benefit of the doubt. You

1249
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 1: don't underestimate the heart of a champion, back to back

1250
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: NFC champions. I have so much respect for the mental

1251
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 1: toughness of Richard Sherman, Earl Thomas, cam Chance, the way

1252
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 1: they played last week, Sherman and Thomas making huge, big

1253
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 1: physical hits on big plays. I mean, those guys refused

1254
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 1: to lose. And Russell Wilson is the same way. The

1255
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 1: mental toughness of the Seattle Seahawks has my respect totally.

1256
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 1: That game last week wouldn't have even come down to

1257
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 1: that final Blair Walsh field goal. Had Seattle not early

1258
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 1: on their punter the gaff where he ran for it

1259
01:04:57,880 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 1: and then Minnesota put up an easy field goal, they

1260
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 1: Seattle would have just won the game flat out. And

1261
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 1: now was well, I wouldn't. I'm not gonna say that

1262
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 1: the King this is this. That was a crazy game,

1263
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 1: but yeah, there's no reason the Viking shouldn't be playing

1264
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 1: and playing in this should be The Seattle Seahawks are

1265
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 1: incredibly fortunate that they're even involved in this right And

1266
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 1: it also was a game that, like you said, you

1267
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 1: can't even look at anything that happened. And I called

1268
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 1: about talked about Tyler Lockett last week is someone that

1269
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 1: can make a difference, and he didn't because it was

1270
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 1: freaking colder than anything on the planet. But I think

1271
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 1: this week, how will lock it again? It's a big game.

1272
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 1: It was colder in other parts of the planet, though

1273
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 1: I keep making incorrect statements about the globe. You know

1274
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 1: what I like, though, is that this game when they

1275
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 1: played the first time around, was chippy, and you you

1276
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 1: said you wish it was on Saturday night. I think

1277
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 1: we're I don't think we're gonna have anything crazy like

1278
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 1: that with coaches on the field. But these are two

1279
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 1: hard nosed teams that have a history against each other.

1280
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 1: This is gonna be the sixth time they've played in

1281
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 1: four years. It's gonna be the fourth time they've played

1282
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 1: in the last two years. Every single one of those

1283
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 1: games has come down to the last possession except for one. Usually,

1284
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 1: the Seahawks are the are the team that makes the

1285
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 1: play at the end of the game. This year it

1286
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 1: was the Panthers who went right up and down the

1287
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 1: field twice in the fourth quarter. I just think the

1288
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 1: styles of their both teams sets it up that I'd

1289
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 1: be shocked if we're not there with three or four

1290
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 1: minutes left in the game and it's totally up in

1291
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 1: the air and we're watching one of these teams trying

1292
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 1: to make a drive on another great defense. It's the

1293
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 1: two teams that run the read option the most in

1294
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 1: the entire league. I mean, it's just everything about it's

1295
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 1: cool and I'd be stunned if we didn't get a

1296
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: good didn't The Seahawks talk about the Panthers as a

1297
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 1: somewhat of a mirror type team to themselves, And since

1298
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 1: Rivera got to Carolina, these two teams have played a

1299
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: series of really tight defensive battles that come down to

1300
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: the last score. Have we even talked about Marshawn Lynch,

1301
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 1: by the way, we'll see if he was supposed to

1302
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 1: play last week, he pulled himself out, said he wasn't

1303
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 1: ready after the abdominal surgery. It's practicing again. We might

1304
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 1: see Lynch. That is a wild card in this game too.

1305
01:06:58,520 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: We don't know how much he could be a d

1306
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 1: coined this game. For all we know? Is he even

1307
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 1: better than Kristen Michael right now, who's been running really well. Well,

1308
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 1: they have both. That's the great thing. I mean, you've

1309
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 1: got it. I think you would see if Lynch played,

1310
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 1: you'd see a lot of both of them. All right,

1311
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:14,439
Speaker 1: let's pick the game. We'll start with Mark. I think

1312
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 1: this is going to be absolutely enjoyable to watch, and

1313
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 1: I would love for them to put the picks up

1314
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 1: so I remember who I picked. But I'm going to

1315
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 1: go with here they are listen, I don't care what

1316
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:28,919
Speaker 1: I put on the screen. I am gonna go with

1317
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks. Alright, No, you know what I'm gonna

1318
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 1: switch that. I'm gonna switch that because Seattle is gonna perfect.

1319
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 1: Seattle is gonna win this game. If you're watching on

1320
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 1: the if you're listening on the podcast. The second Mark

1321
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 1: said that Sydney flashed up the opposite pick on the

1322
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 1: board that was fitting for Mark picks. Sydney knows where

1323
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 1: I was when I sent all this information and yesterday

1324
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 1: and like children's playground in the middle of them all.

1325
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's I think my mind doesn't work

1326
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 1: in that situation. But I put the anthers on screen here.

1327
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna switch that, and I think that Seattle

1328
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 1: is gonna win in a game to remember for all time.

1329
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: I I know it sounds like I don't respect the

1330
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 1: Panthers enough. I do. I love watching them play. It's

1331
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 1: one of my favorite teams in the past three years.

1332
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:18,440
Speaker 1: But I think the difference in this game is twofold.

1333
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 1: Seattle's advantage in the secondary is decisive in my opinion,

1334
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 1: and I think they that's Panthers just haven't been tested.

1335
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:29,639
Speaker 1: I really don't believe they have. They're missing to their

1336
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 1: cornerbacks now and the second half of the season. They

1337
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 1: haven't played a single good team. And the Seahawks have

1338
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 1: beaten the Cardinals. They've played the Cardinals twice, they played

1339
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 1: the Vikings twice, they played the Steelers. They're playing playoff

1340
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:44,799
Speaker 1: teams and they're doing pretty well. So I'm picking the Seahawks.

1341
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 1: Score m M. The Seattle Seahawks will take a lead

1342
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:53,639
Speaker 1: into the fourth quarter, and Cam Newton will save the day.

1343
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:58,639
Speaker 1: Be a Heros. Yeah. I don't have any strong feeling

1344
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 1: other than this is going to be a great game.

1345
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 1: I am gonna stick with the home team and the Panthers. Uh.

1346
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 1: This is kind of that game where you have to

1347
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 1: get over the hump by being beating the team that's

1348
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 1: been there for a while. I think the Panthers are

1349
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 1: ready to make that step. Nothing would surprise me, but

1350
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 1: I'll go Panthers Saucy, which takes us gentlemen to the

1351
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:21,720
Speaker 1: final game of wild Card weekend. Uh. You know, this

1352
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 1: is the game that a lot of people are trying

1353
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 1: to figure out what's going on with this game because

1354
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 1: you've got Ben Roethlisberger has as he's the first to

1355
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 1: tell you as torn ligaments in his throwing shoulder. He

1356
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 1: has a dislocated shoulder. The whole thing is all jacked up. Um,

1357
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 1: he's gonna try to play in this game. It remains

1358
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 1: to be seen if he will play. Uh. And on

1359
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 1: the other side that the number one seed Denver Broncos

1360
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 1: led by of course Peyton Manning. And we talked about

1361
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 1: it on Tuesday, how this in a year where there's been,

1362
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 1: you know, too many injuries and some negative stories and

1363
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 1: just it hasn't been the greatest uh NFL season. Having

1364
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning and Old right now adds a lot of

1365
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 1: steaks and drama. So we're gonna see what we get

1366
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 1: from Peyton Manning in a huge game. Uh. Peyton Manning

1367
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 1: is no stranger to failure in the divisional round of

1368
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Uh. So we'll see if he can overcome

1369
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 1: some demons. We'll see if he can still throw the ball.

1370
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 1: Another fascinating matchup, UH made almost impossible to pick. So

1371
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 1: we don't know what's going on with Roethlisberger. Mark Sesler, Well,

1372
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 1: I want to know. I mean, what we also don't

1373
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 1: know is how healthy William Tonio brownby will he even play? Uh,

1374
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 1: You've got your situation in the backfield as well with

1375
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 1: D'Angelo Williams. You start stripping away these major parts from

1376
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh's offense, then big Ben alone can't save the day.

1377
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 1: If if these guys are on the field when this

1378
01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 1: happens on Sunday, then I'm gonna go Pittsburgh. And I

1379
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 1: really just for me, it boils down to the fact

1380
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:50,679
Speaker 1: that I have seen Ben Roethlisberger do this too many

1381
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,639
Speaker 1: times in the regular season in the playoffs, I don't

1382
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 1: care where the game is taking place. For me, big

1383
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 1: Ben is just that kind of guy that him alone

1384
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 1: would have you picking over the whole Peyton Manning thing.

1385
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 1: It is a nice narrative, but I am not convinced

1386
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna get Peyton Manning of two seasons ago, which

1387
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 1: is what we need. I mean, he's sixty nine yards

1388
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 1: passing on six drives, so you're counting on that running

1389
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 1: game being what it was when he came in off

1390
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:18,840
Speaker 1: the off the off the bench, and I don't I

1391
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 1: don't really see that happening necessarily. So I'm gonna go

1392
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:24,639
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh in this one. In an interesting game. So hard

1393
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 1: to analyze this game because you could have Landry Jones

1394
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 1: handing off to Jordan Todman and throwing passes to Darius Heyward.

1395
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 1: Bit yeah, we don't know. We it would be studying.

1396
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 1: If Ben Roethlisbigger is not playing in this game. I

1397
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 1: think we all expect, well, he could play, but he

1398
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 1: might not be able to throw. So if he can't

1399
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 1: throw downfield, which by the way, is his bread and butter,

1400
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 1: he's the bomber and he's got all those skill players

1401
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:49,599
Speaker 1: to make plays downfield. This is gonna be a totally

1402
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 1: different offense and West. You told me last week you

1403
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:55,679
Speaker 1: weren't concerned at all about the Steelers offense going into

1404
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 1: the playoffs because they weren't quite the same in the

1405
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks. But they weren't the same last week.

1406
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 1: They didn't score in their first five drives. They scored

1407
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 1: one touchdown with Ben Roethlisberger in the game in about

1408
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 1: in ten drives. I think through three quarters. Uh, their

1409
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 1: first field goal was only off a turnover, and and

1410
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:15,599
Speaker 1: they were shut down even when they did move the ball,

1411
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:19,599
Speaker 1: they scored fifteen points and three quarters. Yeah, it wasn't

1412
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 1: It wasn't a great defense they played, Yeah, but it

1413
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 1: was the defense that set them up with all those

1414
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 1: drives over and had another great defense this week. Yeah,

1415
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 1: And if they played a good defense, they're gonna play

1416
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 1: another one. What they had a very conservative game plan

1417
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 1: last week, and you would think maybe they're gonna do

1418
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 1: it again. They ran the ball a lot, and I

1419
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:37,680
Speaker 1: don't think Toussant and Todd and were a problem at all.

1420
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:39,600
Speaker 1: They look know, they look pretty good. They ran the

1421
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 1: ball fairly well, and they weren't throwing the ball down

1422
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 1: the field even before the injury. So the Steelers offense

1423
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:47,640
Speaker 1: hasn't been quite as explosive, and now you have to

1424
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:50,559
Speaker 1: play what I think we've all believed throughout the season

1425
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 1: has been the best defense in the league. It's true,

1426
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 1: that's true, but the Broncos have to play against the

1427
01:12:56,920 --> 01:13:00,679
Speaker 1: really improved defense. Steelers defense looks pretty good last for years,

1428
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 1: and you are very high on the way Ryan She's

1429
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 1: ear is playing lawns Tim and just playing really well.

1430
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 1: Their secondary's playing better, but she's ear looks like a

1431
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:11,839
Speaker 1: difference maker. He does. Hayward's playing well. The first matchup

1432
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:14,600
Speaker 1: that they had, Hayward really had a monster game. I

1433
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,520
Speaker 1: know that the score ended up getting very high. Ostwiler

1434
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:20,599
Speaker 1: was the quarterback, so it's very different. They scored three

1435
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:22,679
Speaker 1: or four straight possessions in the first half and then

1436
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 1: and then they were shut down. But I agree. I

1437
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 1: think the Steelers have enough talent on defense to have

1438
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 1: one or two great games here and win the game

1439
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 1: for them, and that this game is another low scoring

1440
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 1: an FC game. Both of these games could be in

1441
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:38,679
Speaker 1: the teens. What if um Peyton Manning throws a pick

1442
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 1: six and it's late in the second quarter, the Pittsburgh's

1443
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:45,720
Speaker 1: up ten nothing, Peyton Manning get benched here. Oh, I

1444
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:48,759
Speaker 1: thought you're gonna say, does Joey Porter Crab walk intact

1445
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:51,719
Speaker 1: into William Gay's arm? If that's his move, he should

1446
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 1: we put a strait jacket. I think there is an

1447
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 1: absolutely a possibility of that because Kubiak, if anything, to

1448
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 1: his credit, has never married self to one of these quarterbacks.

1449
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 1: And if it's coming down to the point where you're

1450
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 1: halfway through this game, Manning does not look right and

1451
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 1: he's doing the turnover thing like he did so often

1452
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 1: when he was on the field earlier in the year. Yeah,

1453
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 1: why not? It's you can almost picture it, uh, And

1454
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 1: you know, it makes you think of the um famous

1455
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 1: shot of Joe Namath on the bench for the l

1456
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 1: A Rams at the end of his career, some type

1457
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 1: of sad Peyton Manning shot bench in the third and

1458
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 1: it's seventeen to six late in the fourth quarter, and

1459
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 1: Manning's just sulky on the bench, and that's it. You

1460
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 1: can totally see that, you know. I choose to to

1461
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 1: kind of look at to me, what would be a fun,

1462
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:38,599
Speaker 1: exciting way to look at it, that maybe he makes

1463
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 1: some plays in this game and they find a way

1464
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 1: to make it happen. I I wouldn't be shocked. I

1465
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 1: almost feel like there is a chance that he does

1466
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:47,800
Speaker 1: have one more game in him where he does some

1467
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 1: things and it gets the Pittsburgh Steelers team that has

1468
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 1: some issues right now that they can move on, but

1469
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 1: I don't feel strong about it. This game is this

1470
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 1: one's the hardest for me. This is the hardest one

1471
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 1: to pick. And if if Ben row Flisberger's in uniform,

1472
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 1: I don't care what kind of condition his arms arms,

1473
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna have more confidence in him than I agree.

1474
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Speaker 1: But it's a different offense without Antonio Brown. I mean,

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01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 1: this is one of the best receivers of the last

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01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:16,559
Speaker 1: ten years. Antonio Brown at the peak of his powers.

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01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:19,600
Speaker 1: Pretty much. The main reason why they beat the Broncos

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01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:24,759
Speaker 1: was because Antonio Brown destroyed Chris Harris over and over again,

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01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 1: and Chris Harris kept getting so frustrated after each one

1480
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 1: of those places because he was in good coverage. It's

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01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:33,719
Speaker 1: it took two guys that are at the absolute best

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01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 1: at what they do, Ben Roethlisberger and Antonio Brown just

1483
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,400
Speaker 1: being perfect to beat someone like Chris Harris. So are

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01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 1: you gonna get that type of performance out of Roethlisberger

1485
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 1: and Brown? It would be surprising. And that's the kind

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01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:48,160
Speaker 1: of performance I think it's gonna take for the to

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01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:50,639
Speaker 1: beat this Broncos defense. All right, let's make some picks,

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01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 1: starting with Sissler I think this is going to be

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01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:57,120
Speaker 1: very low scoring, and if you like defensive games and

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01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 1: and sort of odd games and thing, this would be

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01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 1: an odd one, and I go the Steelers eighteen fifteen West.

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01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:07,639
Speaker 1: I think I went Broncos, but I'm gonna change my

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01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 1: mind and go Stealers because I think Gary Kubiak is

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01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 1: not going pistol is from what I've been reading, They're

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01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 1: gonna put Peyton Manning under center the way brock Osweiler

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01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 1: was and run their ground attack. I think that makes

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01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning a sitting duck back there. Our producers hating

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01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 1: us that we're changed, literally changing. I'm gonna kind saw

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01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 1: them about it before. I love the Broncos defense in

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01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 1: this matchup, but I just don't trust Peyton Manning. I'm sorry,

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01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 1: I don't trust him. I'm gonna go fifteen twelve. Look

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01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:45,719
Speaker 1: at this exciting football, you know. I'm gonna say Peyton

1503
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,080
Speaker 1: Manning throws two touchdown fasts. I think he probably gets

1504
01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 1: knocked out next week and he doesn't play well. I

1505
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 1: think that's sad. Peyton Manning bench shot is coming, but

1506
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:55,160
Speaker 1: I think this is not it. I think he's gonna

1507
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 1: have some moments. I think They're gonna run the ball well,

1508
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 1: and I think the Steelers really will be limited because

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01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 1: of Ben Roethlisberger's shoulder injury. I am going Denver moves on.

1510
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 1: I don't feel good about this at all, but I'll

1511
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:14,560
Speaker 1: admit my bias. Just like Dan roots against the Patriots

1512
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 1: for wish fulfillment reasons, I'm rooting for the Steelers for

1513
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 1: wish fulfillment reasons. I want a home game in the

1514
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 1: a f C Championship. That's fair. Go Pittsburgh, You'll win, alright,

1515
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 1: I wanted to happen. So there's our preview of the

1516
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:32,920
Speaker 1: four divisional round games. We got some breaking news to

1517
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:39,640
Speaker 1: talk about now. Oh yeah, it's some serious stuff. The

1518
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:42,719
Speaker 1: San Francisco forty Niners have their new coach and oh

1519
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:47,640
Speaker 1: my god, it's Chip Kelly. Yeah. Literally, we're breaking the

1520
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 1: news the Sessler as it happens. This happened while we

1521
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:54,679
Speaker 1: were recording just a few minutes ago. Fired. Of course,

1522
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:57,800
Speaker 1: at the end of his third season with the Philadelphia Eagles,

1523
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:01,679
Speaker 1: h has been hired by the Pty Niners. Of course,

1524
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:05,040
Speaker 1: Kelly had too ten and six seasons and his initial

1525
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 1: seasons with Philly was given personnel control and it all

1526
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 1: went to Hell and obviously he rubbed a lot of

1527
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:12,679
Speaker 1: people the wrong way. He got run out of town

1528
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:16,599
Speaker 1: in Philly. But GM Trent Balki, who was in charge

1529
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 1: of this search, decided that Chip Um has what it

1530
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:22,919
Speaker 1: takes to be the coach of the Niners. After they

1531
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 1: you know, they made Jim tompswil the Patsy last season.

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01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:29,600
Speaker 1: Now they're saying, Chip, we believe in you. Uh, you

1533
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:32,679
Speaker 1: might be a weirdo and eccentric weirdo. We're not gonna

1534
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 1: give you power of the roster, but if you can

1535
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:38,799
Speaker 1: coach it up and make some have some innovation on offense,

1536
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 1: who knows, maybe fix Colin Kaepernick. We're gonna give you

1537
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:47,679
Speaker 1: a shot. Chip Kelly, coach of the Forts to Kelly

1538
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:51,680
Speaker 1: and Stun. Kelly and Colin Kaepernick are together, just not

1539
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 1: where everyone expected. I mean, people thought maybe that's the

1540
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 1: combination that would be in Philadelphia next year, and you do.

1541
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 1: That's my immediate thought is you do think Colin Kaepernick

1542
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:05,479
Speaker 1: has a much much better chance to be on this

1543
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:07,760
Speaker 1: team today than he did yesterday. They also have a

1544
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 1: very high draft pick and they're in a perfect position

1545
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:13,599
Speaker 1: to pick a quarterback if Kelly falls in love with

1546
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:16,440
Speaker 1: one of these other guys. Now, I like this situation

1547
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 1: because I do think there Chip Kelly is remains a

1548
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:23,880
Speaker 1: fascinating figure, and he's getting a second chance and a

1549
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 1: chance to revise maybe some of the ways that he

1550
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:29,080
Speaker 1: did things, and really probably a lot of the ways

1551
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 1: he did things interpersonally with people. And you've got Trent

1552
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:36,040
Speaker 1: Trent Balki, a strong general manager, and you don't have

1553
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:39,599
Speaker 1: personnel decision for Chip. I like that. Now, Kelly, this

1554
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 1: thing could be very quick if he's not shown that

1555
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 1: he can be a different guy than he wasn't Philly.

1556
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 1: Those players did not want to play for him at

1557
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:49,080
Speaker 1: the end of his run there, and especially the defensive

1558
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:50,920
Speaker 1: players did not buy into the fact that they're on

1559
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 1: the field more than any other defense in the league.

1560
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:55,599
Speaker 1: We're just assuming that Chip Kelly would pick Con Kaepernick

1561
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 1: over Blaine Gabbert. No, I'm not. I I'm saying it's

1562
01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:00,599
Speaker 1: a much better chance that he's on the team now.

1563
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:04,320
Speaker 1: And in the word out of San Francisco this offseason,

1564
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 1: they've at least tried to put it out there that

1565
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 1: Kaepernick's more likely to be on the team than people think. Now,

1566
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:11,679
Speaker 1: maybe I thought they were maybe just trying to raise

1567
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:13,760
Speaker 1: his trade value. We'll have to see. This is a

1568
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:16,000
Speaker 1: big story through through the draft. It's going to be

1569
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:18,679
Speaker 1: Let me just make a few points about this quarterback decision.

1570
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 1: When I was doing the Next Gen Stat's notebook throughout

1571
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 1: the season, one of the surprising aspects was that Blaine

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01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:26,519
Speaker 1: Gabber is one of the fastest quarterbacks in the league,

1573
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:30,519
Speaker 1: and faster than Colin Kaepernick. That's pretty important. Also runs

1574
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:33,599
Speaker 1: the bootleg almost to perfection. That's what you want. Now.

1575
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly's is in bootleg, but there's a lot of

1576
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:38,400
Speaker 1: movement there. And I think if you've got Colin Kaepernick

1577
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:40,640
Speaker 1: and a Chip Kelly offense, what we saw in Philadelphia,

1578
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 1: those quarterbacks have to be accurate in the intermediate in

1579
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:47,679
Speaker 1: short throws. That's not Colin Kaepernick's game. I think Kelly

1580
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:51,759
Speaker 1: has a chance to be a really good higher and

1581
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 1: I think I think he has a chance to be

1582
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 1: a good coach that adds a lot of value as

1583
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 1: an offensive coach and hopefully figures out that everything else.

1584
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 1: But I think this situation is so tough that a

1585
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:06,120
Speaker 1: good coach could absolutely fail quickly, even if they are

1586
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:08,559
Speaker 1: a good coach, just because the roster is not great.

1587
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:10,720
Speaker 1: We were saying, it's a tough job. I don't think

1588
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 1: the patience is gonna be there, and you gotta play

1589
01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:14,800
Speaker 1: the Cardinals and Seahawks for to division. I think there's

1590
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:16,799
Speaker 1: a reason, by the way, Greg, you put the Niners

1591
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:20,400
Speaker 1: is the least desirable coaching job. And now you're taking

1592
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:25,879
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly, who has zero interpersonal skills from what we understand,

1593
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:28,760
Speaker 1: and putting him into a situation where he's with a

1594
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 1: front office and ownership that is getting killed for its

1595
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 1: inability to communicate and running Jim Harbaugh out of town.

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01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 1: I think there is potential here for this to be

1597
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:42,640
Speaker 1: a massive entertaining disaster as well. Do not rule that

1598
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:44,880
Speaker 1: out as a possibility. It could also go well, like

1599
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 1: you were saying, Mark, like, maybe he learns a little bit,

1600
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 1: and I think I think the Niners learned from it.

1601
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 1: There's you're not gonna be in charge of personnel, and

1602
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:54,840
Speaker 1: maybe that makes Chip Kelly a more successful head coach.

1603
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 1: But his issues in communicating with players, I don't think

1604
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:01,120
Speaker 1: that's something he might be able to you know, solved.

1605
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 1: And I think this could go uh sideways real quick. Ye,

1606
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 1: it certainly could, And for all the reasons that you

1607
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 1: pointed out. Organizationally, this is a team, this is a

1608
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:12,760
Speaker 1: team that said we can't handle the corks of Jim Harbaugh, right,

1609
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:14,639
Speaker 1: we need to move on. So now you've gotten someone

1610
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:16,840
Speaker 1: else who certainly as an ego and certainly is a

1611
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 1: visionary in his own But that said, I don't then well,

1612
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:23,080
Speaker 1: I don't think the quarterbacks Cecily on the roster you have.

1613
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:25,000
Speaker 1: You have a chance to rebuild through the draft to

1614
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:27,720
Speaker 1: some degree. They have to show some patience with this

1615
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:31,080
Speaker 1: guy or they were completely lost at sea. You have

1616
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:33,680
Speaker 1: to show patients with Kelly. You can't expect him in

1617
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:36,320
Speaker 1: two years turn this thing. We were for the story,

1618
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 1: and it's a great story. We actually learned during during

1619
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 1: this show too. As the show went along. Coughlin, Tom Coughlin,

1620
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:44,960
Speaker 1: who we talked about earlier, has pulled out of the

1621
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:47,719
Speaker 1: Eagles job. So we're not going to get that great story,

1622
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:50,360
Speaker 1: but we are getting Kelly in San Francisco. It's gonna

1623
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 1: be a lot of fun. I'm happy that Chip Kelly's

1624
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 1: in the mix because it is kind of interesting when

1625
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:57,200
Speaker 1: he when he's around one way or the other. We'll

1626
01:22:57,439 --> 01:23:00,639
Speaker 1: dig into more of this next week. Is things start

1627
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:03,880
Speaker 1: to shake out, but Chip Kelly locked in with the Niners.

1628
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:06,800
Speaker 1: How many open jobs are left dwindling now? I think

1629
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:11,799
Speaker 1: there's four still, I'm not gonna acknowledge that the tytoons exist.

1630
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 1: I'm with you, buddy, I'm with you. Yeah, there's reports

1631
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:17,960
Speaker 1: out there. They are very serious about Mike Malarkey. Come on,

1632
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 1: come on, guys. Well, unless goes for Josh McDaniels, he's

1633
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:24,720
Speaker 1: got some patriots. You're serious about Mike Malarkey, We're not

1634
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:27,839
Speaker 1: serious about you. All right. Well, thank you to UH

1635
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:31,280
Speaker 1: Andrew Siciliano for stopping by hosts of Around the NFL

1636
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:35,160
Speaker 1: on NFL Network, which you could check throughout the next

1637
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:37,280
Speaker 1: UH the end of this weekend through the next two

1638
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:40,280
Speaker 1: hour shows five to seven Eastern. We will be back

1639
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:44,599
Speaker 1: on Sunday, of course with our big divisional round wrap

1640
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:48,280
Speaker 1: up show, the flagship show of the Around the NFL podcast,

1641
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:51,559
Speaker 1: our recaps, so make sure you tune in for that.

1642
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:53,880
Speaker 1: And thank you, of course to our good friends Scott

1643
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:59,599
Speaker 1: Trade for sponsoring the podcast. You will not be forgotten ever.

1644
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 1: You are loyal to the cause and we will be

1645
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:05,640
Speaker 1: loyal to you Scott. Thanks Scott, We love you all

1646
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:09,640
Speaker 1: right until Sunday. This is Dan Hanson signing off for

1647
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:14,719
Speaker 1: a quiet storm, the mailman, the boss, la side, behind

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01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:17,639
Speaker 1: the glass. Maybe TV's back there in his trench, go too,

1649
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 1: Oh my God, tell Surday