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Speaker 2: This is our life, this is our passion. That's the

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat. I know it's not the first

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Speaker 1: Welcome everyone, it is time for Morning Combat, and I

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Speaker 1: am only one half of your hosting duo. My name

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Speaker 1: is Luke Thomas. I join you from the capital of

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Speaker 1: the status WU Needles right here in Washington, DC, joined

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Speaker 1: That or I'm turning pale and dying, which is also possible.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Luke, I'm ready. I'm ready, as you said,

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Speaker 2: said fight Seiason begins. Now, Luke, the rastlin. They had

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Speaker 2: their time over this weekend sort of the basketballers the

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Speaker 2: for just a kick started loaded spring fight season. April

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Speaker 2: is off. The charts for boxing. Of course, we got

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Speaker 2: UFC two seventy three this Saturday. Will be a big

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Speaker 2: part of our show today, Luke, I am, I'm ready. Look,

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Speaker 2: this is why you lift them weights in the offseason.

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Speaker 2: Bill Parcells once said, Luke, okay for this for this

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Speaker 1: They will get the very least of him. Of course,

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Speaker 1: as you mentioned, though, UFC two to seventy three is Saturday,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna start digging into the main event. We'll start

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Speaker 1: One of Aldo's less impressive performances. I remember when that

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Speaker 2: All right, that's fair. Well, look, he had some moments.

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Speaker 2: But Luke, at the end of the day, storyline wise,

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Speaker 1: I think so. I think that Korean Zombie is not

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Speaker 1: talking about storylines, like what else is on the line here?

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Speaker 1: The belt is the most significant thing. But I'm going

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Speaker 1: to add one more. I think that if Volkanovsky wins,

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Speaker 1: and listen very carefully to the words I'm saying, I

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Speaker 1: think of Volkanovsky wins, and let's say, you know, very

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Speaker 1: clear whatever that means, like there's no doubt that he

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Speaker 1: was the better guy. Fans will need to at least

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Speaker 1: start wrapping their head around the idea that Volkanovsky, with

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Speaker 1: that win over Korean Zombie, puts himself as pretty close

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Speaker 1: to Max's equal in terms of featherweight champions. And I

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Speaker 1: want to tell you why. If you look at the

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Speaker 1: list of featherweight champions, Aldo is still your most successful

439
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Speaker 1: featherweight champion. Seven title defenses, and he held the belt

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Speaker 1: for nineteen hundred days across two different basically two different organizations.

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Speaker 1: But more than that, right, because these seven defenses are

442
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Speaker 1: only inside the UFC, it actually goes back further than that. Now.

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Speaker 1: Max Holloway beat him twice and then had three title defenses,

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Speaker 1: so one of them was Aldo, two was Ortega, three

445
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Speaker 1: was Frankie Edgar. He held the belt for a total

446
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Speaker 1: of nine hundred and twenty five days. As it stands,

447
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Speaker 1: Volkanovski is at eight hundred and thirty eight, so less

448
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Speaker 1: than one hundred away, and this will be his third

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Speaker 1: title defense, which means their numbers are almost on par

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Speaker 1: with each other. Now, I grant there is a big

451
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Speaker 1: difference between them, and this is to me the biggest difference.

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Speaker 1: When Max took the title from Aldo, he had to

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Speaker 1: do it twice, and he did it back to back,

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Speaker 1: and he stopped Aldo with strikes inside the third round

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Speaker 1: both times. By contrast, Volkanovsky had two very close fights

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Speaker 1: against Hollowy, and for that reason I can understand why

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Speaker 1: fans will still say Max would be a little bit

458
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Speaker 1: more ranked higher than him in terms of greatest featherweights

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Speaker 1: of all time. But I would caution you, though, if

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Speaker 1: he gets this one, he's almost certainly going to beat

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Speaker 1: the nine hundred and twenty five day part, which is

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Speaker 1: not the biggest one. But he will then be facing

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Speaker 1: a fourth title defense, which Max does not have, and

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Speaker 1: BC it could just end up being that that fourth

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Speaker 1: title defense if he gets it happens against Max himself. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say is maybe the Korean zombie

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Speaker 1: fight doesn't actually allow Volkanovsky to lap Max, but it

468
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Speaker 1: puts him so close that he begins territory where if

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Speaker 1: he's successful in the subsequent fight, there can no longer

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Speaker 1: be debate about who's the second best featherweight of all time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I love the potential storyline there, you know, just like, Look,

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Speaker 2: I've been on that fence. I've been on that side

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Speaker 2: of the fence. Excuse me of saying, even though Holloway

474
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Speaker 2: lost twice, even though you can keep asking the question

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Speaker 2: of God, how many more times Volkanovsky have to beat

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Speaker 2: Holloway until the UFC stops asking him to. I think

477
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Speaker 2: it's a necessary fight for many reasons because of how

478
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Speaker 2: close those first two were, But I just don't think

479
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Speaker 2: Volkanovsky is quite there yet. And I think a lot

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Speaker 2: of that, Luke comes down to two reasons. One, Holloway

481
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Speaker 2: had to take a longer route than you should have

482
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Speaker 2: to finally secure that first title shot. He had to

483
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Speaker 2: just win and keep winning and extend that win streak

484
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Speaker 2: to what what was it at its peak, Luke, I mean,

485
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Speaker 2: it was ridiculous how old he had to go. He

486
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Speaker 2: became a standard bearer. I know Tony Ferguson had a

487
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Speaker 2: similar run of late of You're just like, how many

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Speaker 2: more does he have to win? But Luke, when I

489
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Speaker 2: look at that three pack of fights in a row,

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Speaker 2: he faces a former champion in Pettis for the interim

491
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Speaker 2: title and kind of violently stops him, I mean, just

492
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Speaker 2: beat the bags off him. But Luke, the two knockouts

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Speaker 2: of Jose Aldo, you know, still prime, all though still

494
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Speaker 2: top of the featherweight mountain, recovered from the one punch

495
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Speaker 2: lost to Conor McGregor, it's still that guy. He not

496
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Speaker 2: only beat him twice, Luke Aldough came in both of

497
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Speaker 2: those knights basically saying with his body, with his you know,

498
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Speaker 2: with his body language. You're gonna have to stop me.

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Speaker 2: To stop me from coming forward, You're gonna have you know,

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Speaker 2: you have to kill me, and Max did that twice

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Speaker 2: in a row. Luke, that tends to be the tiebreaker

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Speaker 2: when we compare great fighters and what they've accomplished. Yes,

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Speaker 2: you can go, well, technically it's this many title defenses,

504
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 2: But isn't it. If there needs to be a tiebreaker,

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Speaker 2: it's not only facing better competition, but having finished them,

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Speaker 2: having left no doubt. The fact that we still have

507
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Speaker 2: doubt about that second Max fight is the only reason

508
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Speaker 2: why we're banging the drum so hard for a third one.

509
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 2: You can say that's unfair because not every fighter is

510
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Speaker 2: going to be a knockout fighter, but Max is not

511
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Speaker 2: a knockout fighter in theory. He's not a one punch guy.

512
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Speaker 2: He's a volume where you down guy, and he beat

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Speaker 2: the shit out of a still kind of hat at

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Speaker 2: Anthony Pettis and Prime josialdo well.

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Speaker 1: Thet the Pettis part, I mean he was wrecked trying

516
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Speaker 1: to get down to that weight, But I okay, to

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Speaker 1: answer your question, he was a thirteen fight win streak

518
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Speaker 1: that he went on, which is better than Volks. Volks

519
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: win streak in the UFC is at ten. However, that's

520
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Speaker 1: all ten of his UFC fight, So for folks who

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Speaker 1: may not remember, he is undefeated in the UFC, only

522
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Speaker 1: has one loss gitting back to twenty thirteen in Australian

523
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Speaker 1: FC five. That's it.

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Speaker 2: Look, both great fighters. That's why we want to see

525
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 2: it again, That's why we need it. It's unfortunate, it's weird.

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Speaker 2: This is a great card on Saturday. It feels like

527
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Speaker 2: a main event that it's like we don't need. Is

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Speaker 2: there anything else you think Volkanowski can gain? And I

529
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Speaker 2: say this, look, we're splitting hairs, are being hypercritical, but

530
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Speaker 2: that's what you do when someone's at this point. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm already seen people on Twitter going those will win,

532
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Speaker 2: make them the greatest featherweight of all time. I mean like, look,

533
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Speaker 2: this is kind of where we're at right now. So

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Speaker 2: if we are splitting those hairs, Luke, Historically am I

535
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,719
Speaker 2: on the side of underrating or overrated Alexander Volcanoski. Underrating

536
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Speaker 2: I've consistently underrated him and he's come over the top

537
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Speaker 2: and won me over. He won me over against Brian

538
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Speaker 2: Ortega in a way that. I don't want to say

539
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 2: I didn't think he had it in him, but it

540
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,199
Speaker 2: was so dramatic that you're like, oh shit. You know,

541
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Speaker 2: even if you're trying to be a critical hater of Oolkonowski,

542
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Speaker 2: what the frick else are you going to say for

543
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,199
Speaker 2: that performance? For him going to that deep in the

544
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Speaker 2: water and getting out of two chokes, including that first one,

545
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 2: and just putting it on him, that did a lot

546
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Speaker 2: luke for his long term critical respect, even you know

547
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Speaker 2: from like the blood and guts of Machismo fans, is

548
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Speaker 2: there anything actually to gain here more than just securing

549
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Speaker 2: the third Holloway fight and keeping it going.

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Speaker 1: So this is why this conversation is instructive, because remember

551
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Speaker 1: Max had that long win streak. Then he not only

552
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Speaker 1: beat the greatest featherweight of all time, he did it

553
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Speaker 1: twice and both times via stoppage. It was a true,

554
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. Here's the crown coronation moment. Even

555
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Speaker 1: if you thought at UFC two twelve when he went

556
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Speaker 1: out the first time Aldo had it off night, he

557
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Speaker 1: had another chance to do it again and again Max

558
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Speaker 1: finished him off inside the third round. So it was

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Speaker 1: this real Max had this momentum from this incredibly long

560
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Speaker 1: win streak, and then he beats the greatest featherweight of

561
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Speaker 1: all time in dramatic fashion back to back. Volkanovsky does

562
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,479
Speaker 1: not have that, no doubt about it. And it's not

563
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Speaker 1: just the nature of the fact that he had these

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Speaker 1: two very close fights with Max versus the fact that

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Speaker 1: Max had these very two very dominant finishes versus Jose.

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Speaker 1: He had that other momentum he was riding. Alexander Volkanowsky

567
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Speaker 1: has snuck up on fans, right. He kind of came

568
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Speaker 1: a little bit out of nowhere, beat Mendez, beat Aldo.

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Speaker 1: A lot of folks don't even remember the Aldo fight,

570
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Speaker 1: but it's one of the most brilliant performances you'll see

571
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Speaker 1: from an elite featherweight at any point in UFC history.

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Speaker 1: And then he goes and does what he does. He

573
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Speaker 1: kind of just came around without that momentum, without that

574
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Speaker 1: fan favoritism, so he has to go and earn it.

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Speaker 1: You're asking what else is on there? Not only does

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Speaker 1: I think this get him very close to maybe not

577
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: quite at Max's level, but very very close to it.

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Speaker 1: Not only does it do that, but if he can

579
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Speaker 1: get a dominant win over a very celebrated figure. I

580
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: think that that might hurt some people's feelings. But if

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Speaker 1: he does it showcasing his skill, like there's a gap

582
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 1: between you and me, Like when someone crosses someone over

583
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: on the basketball court, breaks the ankles, they go slide

584
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: and then you drain the three. Yeah, that might go

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00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: a long way towards building some of that momentum after

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Speaker 1: the fact that Max had built for himself riding into

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Speaker 1: the title fight.

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00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 2: That's fair, that's fair.

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00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 1: Look, can we quickly so you should transition to point

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00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: number two?

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Speaker 2: Well, I know it was a topic of conversation with

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Speaker 2: you in Volkanovsky, and it was a very good interview

593
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 2: about how underrated and thorough and just dominant that although

594
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Speaker 2: Winn was in hindsight here and this is only a

595
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: critique at all, though not Volkanovsky, because Volkanowski disarmed him

596
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 2: to a level that I think Josie Aldo tell me

597
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 2: if I'm way off, who was in his last fight

598
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 2: of the deal at that point, I think he was

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00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 2: just sort of like, Eah, no, Moss, fuck it, I'm

600
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 2: gonna go the distance here. I'm not getting knocked out

601
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Speaker 2: by this guy. I can't figure him out, and I

602
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 2: don't know if there's enough motivation for me in this

603
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 2: moment to risk it all to try to figure it out,

604
00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 2: meaning luke that same spirit although having the two Holloway fights,

605
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 2: which you know they were title fights rightfully, so he

606
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 2: didn't necessarily have that day. This is not a referendum

607
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 2: on does Jose Aldo have that warrior spirit in him?

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Speaker 2: I mean, look what he's done since then. He's gone

609
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 2: all in cut away class and is still you know,

610
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 2: an elite guy more or less writing name more than elite.

611
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Speaker 2: But you get my point. Did he say no Moss

612
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: in that fight against Wolkonowski.

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Speaker 1: I would just say this. I tend to think sometimes

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Speaker 1: conversations around fights revolve, or I should say, move in

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00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: this direction where we're like, what about their motivation? What

616
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: about this, that and the other? And I don't want

617
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Speaker 1: to say that they're not important. In fact, sometimes they

618
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: can be the very most important thing. So I don't

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Speaker 1: want to diminish it. But at the same time, I

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Speaker 1: tend to feel like a lot of those conversations happen

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Speaker 1: because they're not We're not really having them around what

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Speaker 1: actually happened in the fight. We're not really addressing what

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Speaker 1: the skill gap is I'm just gonna like reveal the

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00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: truth here. Alexander Volkanowski when he fought Josie Aldo was

625
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: just better, like by a mile.

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Speaker 3: Like.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not gonna say Aldo getting his ass

628
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: kick because that's not true. But in terms of the

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Speaker 1: gap that Volkanowski was able to put on him with

630
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: movement and then able to strike and get out of

631
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: the way, Aldo was simply outmatched. And I think folks

632
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: need to really like noodle what that means when you

633
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: can do that to a guy like Jose Aldo. It's

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00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: not just at Aldo way, what did he give his

635
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: was at his level best effort? I don't know, wasn't

636
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: his level best effort against TKZ Still got to win there,

637
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: but we really need to, like, if you've not gone

638
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: back and watched it, you need to Volkanovski was just better. Sorry,

639
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: the Max fights I realized were a little bit closer,

640
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Speaker 1: this one was not not at all. And so yes,

641
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: could there have been motivation issues, So I certainly cannot

642
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: in any way diminish that. Could there have been anything else?

643
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: I don't know about sickness, foot injury, who the hell knows,

644
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: but just watching the tape, dude, Volkanowski beat him fair

645
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: and square, like it's not it's not difficult to score

646
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: that fight at all. And when you're that good. I

647
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: think that out of him, Luke.

648
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: I think he beat the fighting spirit out of him

649
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 2: in that fight. I think it was a wake up

650
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 2: now to to to how great that fighter is.

651
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: But you're saying everything other than what the main story is.

652
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: Volkanovsky was better, period, that's the story there. You don't

653
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: believe that.

654
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 2: I think he forced the great fighter to weigh the

655
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 2: risks who was in the last fight of his deal

656
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: and go, I fuck it, I'm not I'm not gonna

657
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 2: get knocked out by this guy.

658
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: Volkanovsky was just better. He was just better.

659
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 2: I really, you're disagreeing with the spirit of my question

660
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: to make that happen, to make a great fighter be

661
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 2: like yeah, fuck it, Like remember Riggindaw versus Lomachenko.

662
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: That was so obvious that he was just like fuck this.

663
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,239
Speaker 2: You know, I'm just trying to tell you that I

664
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 2: saw something and I'm letting you know. But let's give

665
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 2: Volkanov credit. He's the one that made that happen.

666
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, fair enough, All right, let's go to point

667
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: number two. Here be see we stayed with Volkanovsky, but

668
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: the conversation shifts a little bit. This is one you're

669
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: better at having than I am, so of course I

670
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: will start with you as well. Point number two. If

671
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: Volkanovsky wins in the main event of UFC two seventy three,

672
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: and again let's say whatever that means, he's right, full winner,

673
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: whatever that means, would he then be a threat to

674
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: Kamara Usbin's top ranking at the pound for pound list.

675
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: I don't think so, but I think he is getting closer,

676
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 2: and I think we have to have this discussion right

677
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 2: now about not dissimilar to the discussion we had and

678
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 2: trying to compare Volkanovsky in Holloway's featherweight title reigns. I mean, look,

679
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 2: do you think it's fair that finishing can sometimes become

680
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 2: the ultimate decider? Because Volkanovsky and Kamarrow have had similar

681
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 2: runs in the fact that they came onto the scene

682
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: in the UFC, had to put together, you know, a

683
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 2: bunch of wins under the radar and then made that

684
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 2: slow but steady move to becoming champion and never been

685
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 2: beaten in this organization. And now you know they're in

686
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 2: the winner circle here of the top three pound for pound,

687
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 2: but there are levels within levels. Usman's evolution to becoming

688
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 2: a finishing fighter under Trevor Whitman has been the difference

689
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 2: where I think, you know, has a coincided with John

690
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: Jones taking a long time off and under the rules

691
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 2: of how we do pound for pound, John Jones should

692
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 2: be off the list because of the long layoff. Yes,

693
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 2: but Kamorrow has I think you know, the timing again

694
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 2: with a bee walking away perfectly put a gap between

695
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 2: him at number one, And however you have them in

696
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 2: the next few spots out of Sonia in Volkanovsky, Luke

697
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: ken Volkanovsky close that gap in your eyes without doing

698
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 2: the exact same thing. Because if you are going to

699
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 2: hyper critique Volkanovsky at all, you'll go to the lack

700
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 2: of finishes. But it's not by lack of trying, and

701
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: it's not by lack of firepower. So does he have

702
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 2: to kickstart this conversation with a finish of Korean Zombie?

703
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 2: And is that the fair you know, tiebreaker in these

704
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 2: discussions you're trying to compare greatness.

705
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: I would say I agree, he doesn't pass. He's currently

706
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: sitting at three, right, So one would be tomorrow two

707
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: would be out of Sonia that. Again, we don't vote

708
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: on these, These are just what the rankings are, but

709
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: I tend to think it's pretty accurate. And then Volkanowski

710
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: is sitting at three. Does beating Korean Zombie, which would

711
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: give him his third I believe his third title defense?

712
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: Does that put him in the same Let me pull

713
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: this up here just to quickly, does that put him

714
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: in the same place as a guy like Adasignya who's

715
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: already got like what four or five title defenses something

716
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: like that. Now, granted we're not just merely counting that,

717
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: but I'm just pointing out this the level of seniority

718
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: at the top of the game, plus Adasigna is full

719
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: on undefeated in MMA. I don't think that there's enough

720
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: here for me to say that it would leap frog

721
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: him nor even get close to Kamor, who I think

722
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: has even more time in a long champion and even

723
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: more title defenses. I think he's got one more than Adasignya.

724
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: So no, structurally there's not enough there. But again, getting

725
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: back to the first point, BC, even if he can't

726
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: really jiggle that part loose, although maybe some voters will

727
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: put him number two. I think that is it may

728
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: be potentially on the table. I think this could go

729
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: a long way towards solidifying what I think there's still

730
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: a little bit of reluctance to admit. I think people

731
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: think he can, like, you know, he can out clever people,

732
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: but he's not really a better fighter. Or maybe he

733
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: was against Ortega, but that there's there's this pervasive sense

734
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: that something is missing with him, that they haven't quite

735
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: connected to him yet. This might be one of those performances.

736
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: Even if it can't really substantially move him around the

737
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: pomp pound list, given who is ahead of him, it

738
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: certainly solidifies him among the pantheon of the not the

739
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: all time Rushmore, but the current Rushmore that he is deserving.

740
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: You have to pick the top four fighters in the

741
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: sport one, two, three, four. He's already there, I recognize,

742
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: but I think there's a little bit of reluctance that

743
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: he's there. This would I think, affirm him there with

744
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 1: much more fan and community enthusiasm about his place, about

745
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: his future, and about what he brings to the game.

746
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 2: Could he pass out of Sonya with a stoppage win

747
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 2: here as the firm number two.

748
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: He could because of what lot Asignia coming off of

749
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: the was att a Signi's last fight. I can't even

750
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: remember anymore Colby. For Kamaru, it was the Whittaker Fire,

751
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: which was a really close one, you know, but that

752
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 1: was his fourth title defense. It's a little bit different,

753
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: but I recognize what you're saying that there are certainly

754
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: a capacity there. BC. Can I throw to the audio

755
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: here that I have from my interview with A. Volkanovski

756
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: because this is sort of the one thing I want

757
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: folks to understand. I did an interview with him. Was

758
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: supposed to be BBC's but let me have it, so

759
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: thank you, BC. I appreciate that.

760
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 2: We all know the size of your ckb Luke, so

761
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,439
Speaker 2: you're just helping a friend out right.

762
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. But the point I want to make

763
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: here is I really want people to begin to, at

764
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: least if you haven't already entertained, the idea that Volkanovsky

765
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: does something that is pretty novel among even elite fighters,

766
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 1: which is that he forces you to make decisions a

767
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,280
Speaker 1: bunch of them, but then he changes all the patterns

768
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,439
Speaker 1: behind them, so you can never really get a firm read.

769
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: You can't tell if he's coming or going high or low,

770
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: left or right, there's what this angle, that angle He's

771
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: constantly switching, and it just creates this processing overload that

772
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: they can't manage. He calls it scrambling their brains. I

773
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: don't know of a lot. All fighters use trickery. Right,

774
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna faint and then go high. That's all of it.

775
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 1: But he puts all of that together in these large

776
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: chains that make breaking it very difficult. Here's he and

777
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: I are talking about it.

778
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 3: And again, I know you guys, I like to dive

779
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 3: deep in it. But someone like Aldo was a good,

780
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 3: good example, and I think he will appreciate this. Where

781
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 3: he's so well trained, where every movement, you know, he's

782
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 3: always in the perfect position. You know, like you know,

783
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 3: you you move an inch to the left, he's going

784
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 3: to have to he has to adjust and be that perfect.

785
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 3: You move an inch back, he's an inch forward. You know,

786
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 3: he's always there. He's always where he's most where you know,

787
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 3: the range is comfortable at the base. You know, he's grounded,

788
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 3: he's powerful, he's balanced, he's always there. So it's very

789
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 3: hard to get him out of position, you know what

790
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 3: I mean, Because he's always adjusting. But there was something

791
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 3: that we used against him, knowing that if I go somewhere,

792
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 3: he has to adjust and he's not even going to

793
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 3: mean it, He's just going to do it as a

794
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 3: you know, that's just going to be a part of

795
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 3: a that's just how his system works, you know what

796
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 3: I mean. I moved to the left, he has to adjust.

797
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 3: So as he's moving to the left, I'm getting him

798
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 3: as he's as he's going getting to that spot and

799
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 3: things like that, you know what I mean. So that

800
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 3: was a good example of you know, calculated movements, you

801
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 3: know what I mean. So I'm doing these movements to

802
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 3: keep them busy, not giving them time to you know,

803
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 3: give him time. This is for for our the specifically,

804
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 3: because again you stand in front of him and let

805
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 3: him work. He's obviously a CounterPunch was the perfect position.

806
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 3: But I just wanted to always get him out of position,

807
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 3: which was hard. But that's why you have.

808
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: To keep him moving and then go I.

809
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 3: Think you use this term of in between steps, so.

810
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, are your term? Yeah, so like you know, just

811
00:37:58,360 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 2: things like that.

812
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 3: So it was a that was a good example of.

813
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: Using Okay, that's it, that's it. Yeah, you get the

814
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: idea there he's.

815
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 2: Playing key moment where he was like, he was like

816
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 2: letting you know, I'm as big a fan of ult

817
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 2: as you are of me.

818
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was nice. It's always nice when you get

819
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: that kind of validation, but which I appreciate, but.

820
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 2: Multiple from Yana one day, just so you know, I

821
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 2: hope that for you, BC.

822
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: But the what I'm trying to make here is I

823
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: hope folks understand he's playing on a level that a

824
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: lot of other elite fighters aren't playing on. I think

825
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: he needs to the spirit of this question, BC, and

826
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: I think you would agree with this, he needs a

827
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: little bigger body of work at the championship level to

828
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 1: really rival the ones and the twos, the couple guys

829
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: ahead of him. But what he's doing is the ingredients

830
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,760
Speaker 1: that's going to put him there if he can keep.

831
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: Going, no no doubt about it. And and you know

832
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 2: I brought it up the the heart and the will

833
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: that he showed in those those those trepid situations against

834
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 2: or take it to say, there's really nothing left to criticize. Look,

835
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: there's really nothing left to criticize. There's only to appreciate.

836
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 2: And obviously you've been a day one guy in picking

837
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: up you know how much he's playing chess against guys

838
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 2: playing checkers, And a lot of it is the momentum

839
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,720
Speaker 2: coming out of City Kickboxing Gym and the cerebral way

840
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 2: that those fighters are are, you know, mixing mixing together

841
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 2: the physical with the mental and such new smart ways.

842
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 2: But Luke, when you watch the Countdown show and I

843
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 2: know this isn't a new development, but is he no

844
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 2: longer with the gym, or is he had a satellite

845
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 2: Jim with one of the coaches. What is his current

846
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 2: coaching situation.

847
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: He's still with his old coach. He never left him.

848
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: His name is Joe Lopez, but he has added on

849
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: a CKB element to it. On top. I think Bradridell

850
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: has done a lot of work with with not just him,

851
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: but there's a bunch of guys that have done some

852
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: good work with him. So it's he's not in one

853
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:57,959
Speaker 1: or the other, it's both. And so I think camp

854
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: to camp, depending on the opponent or the availability or whatever,

855
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: they kind of mix it. That's that's my best understanding.

856
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 2: Does Eugene work his corner ever anymore?

857
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: We're gonna find out. I think he did for the

858
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,720
Speaker 1: last one. So we're gonna see, We're gonna see.

859
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 2: Either way. Either way, you're you're seeing a next level

860
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 2: fighter that that's proving the haters wrong in every category?

861
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 2: Are we seeing though the beginning of a new trend?

862
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 1: Luke?

863
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 2: I know we've had these discussions before about sort of

864
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 2: what's coming out of this gym? But is this specific

865
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 2: fighter who's different than anisania in, different than Hooker and

866
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 2: and you know, magic Mike or whatever the hell that

867
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 2: guy's name is.

868
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: What's the guy's name, Carlos Herb or no, the.

869
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 2: Other guy, the other guy that got blood diamond. There

870
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 2: we go, Mike, Matthetha, Yeah, there we go. Is this

871
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 2: a new I don't know, new version? I mean, is

872
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 2: he his? Is is he one of one? Is this

873
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 2: a a sort of new proto type of a fighter

874
00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 2: that you could see more fighters trying to?

875
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: Yes? I mean I was asking him about his style

876
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 1: and like what like when you think about why it works?

877
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: Why does it work? And so one answer is obviously

878
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: you're just forcing all these computations on you that you

879
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 1: can't make because he's changing the answer every time. That's

880
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: one of it. But then you ask yourself Okay, Well,

881
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: what's the hardest part about pulling that off? Partly, remember

882
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: that style is good for landing and getting out, it's

883
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: not if you have a very high level opponent in

884
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: front of you. It's not good for like scoring big

885
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: damage and getting out. It's mostly a lot of like

886
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 1: you know, leg kicks, jabs and that kind of a thing,

887
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: which in the end matters, but it can be hard

888
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 1: to like get that off. But so I think Cardio

889
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: is a big part of it. The other part is

890
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: and this is maybe the ck B part. Again, I

891
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: don't really know. I'd have to talk to the coaches

892
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: more in detail. Like we talked about, you see him

893
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: talking about the movement there. We got into this conversation

894
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: where he's like, I see so many fighters who are

895
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: out of range and they do all this movement and

896
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean anything. You're not you're not, You're it's

897
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: just wasted motion. Wasted cardio. They have you have to

898
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: be a very good salesman of a fake for your

899
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: real thing to work. And so part of it is, yes,

900
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,919
Speaker 1: good Cardio, part of his understanding fight mechanics and everything else.

901
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: I think the other part of it is you really

902
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: have to have you have, Like, fainting is a skill,

903
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: not just you do a lot of it. You have

904
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: to be a good salesman of it. It has to

905
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: be convincing for it to be effective. And so I

906
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: would say that's a pretty big part. And I I don't,

907
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to always just associate CKB

908
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: with fainting, but I do wonder to what extent motion

909
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: fainting has been a combined gay plan from his old

910
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: coach Joe Lopez with perhaps some of the newer influences

911
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: around him.

912
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it does show you how great Max

913
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 2: Holloway had to be to make that second fight so close,

914
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 2: because at this point you're gonna have to out chest

915
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: the chess master to beat him, and you know, the

916
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 2: threat of a submission an iron chin and will like

917
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 2: Ortega had is not going to be enough. And you know,

918
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 2: some of these other guys who think they're completely well

919
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: rounded tacticians, if you're not on his level, it's not

920
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 2: going to be enough. So normally you'd say, okay, So

921
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 2: maybe Korean Zombie is a good opponent for him, because

922
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 2: here's a guy who can just flip the chess table

923
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 2: on board upside down, and go Domino, motherfucker. But he's

924
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 2: also not really that fighter anymore, and trying to do

925
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 2: that to someone like Volkanowski you play into the trap

926
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 2: of his web. Outside of what Max did in that

927
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 2: second fight, which I thought was just enough, because let's

928
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 2: not forget Volkanovski made the adjustments and came back and

929
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 2: rallied and sort of controlled the championship rounds of that

930
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 2: fight that if you scored it to Max, he kind

931
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 2: of had a score it for him. Up front, we

932
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: haven't seen an opening yet on how to be a

933
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 2: blueprint yet on how to beat Max and Luke. To

934
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 2: be fair, I mean not Max Alex, and to be fair,

935
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: there are very few people in the world who seem

936
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: to have the skill set and mindset together to do

937
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: that short of catching him with the big strike that

938
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 2: we haven't seen coming yet.

939
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to point number three. Here be

940
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: seeing I'll pitch it right back to you. We stay

941
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 1: on Volkanovsky. Oh, this is the last of our questions.

942
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: So it's a very simple one. If Volkanovski wins, that

943
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: presents a whole series of opportunities for us and significant results.

944
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 1: If Korean Zombie wins it's a whole different scenario, although

945
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: again there could be a rematch. But my question to

946
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: you is as follows, B see what's better for the

947
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: division for uh not Max I'm sorry, Alex to win,

948
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: or for Korean Zombie to win.

949
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 2: Uh. I don't think there's an actual right answer there,

950
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 2: but if I may, and I know you hate when

951
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: I do this, bring up pro wrestling booking when talking

952
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 2: about how a UFC match make But to act but

953
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 2: to act like, look, did you just have a seizure?

954
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 2: Are you okay?

955
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 4: Oh?

956
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, sorry, Look, but Luke to act like you

957
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,919
Speaker 2: know the UFC and Dana White doesn't use this type

958
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 2: of spirit in their matchmaking would be it would be

959
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 2: you know, would be missing the point here they do.

960
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,760
Speaker 2: So what's the most exciting way for this to happen?

961
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 2: TKZ to pitch your monster upset here Max Holloway to

962
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 2: swoop in next and potentially win the title from him,

963
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 2: and then you do the Max versus Volkanovski trilogy with

964
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 2: Max coming in as the champion. Suddenly the dichotomy is

965
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 2: split upside down and puts even more worth on that

966
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 2: trilogy fight. That's the best storybook way to book big

967
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 2: fights and get us to there, but the odds don't

968
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,919
Speaker 2: tell you that's most likely. And should Volkanovsky just win, Luke,

969
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 2: we're going into that trilogy regardless against Max, and it

970
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 2: will be a big deal. It will be you know,

971
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 2: for rightful control of this era in this weight class

972
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 2: and you know, potentially making their claim to be the

973
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: best ever at this weight division. So either way, Luke,

974
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 2: I think we're getting there. We're gonna end up with

975
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 2: Max versus Volkanovsky for the belt a third time, so

976
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 2: you know there's no one else coming on that's gonna

977
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 2: crash this party to make that any different.

978
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I guess we'll see what happens with

979
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: Zabit and everything else. The thing I would argue is

980
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 1: I actually think it's better if Volkanovsky wins, clearly clearly.

981
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: I mean, if hees the Korean Zombie would probably in

982
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: his team. They would tell you the opposite. They would

983
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: tell you it's much better if he wins fresh matchups,

984
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And again it wouldn't hardly be some

985
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 1: crime if he's the winter than he's the rightful winner.

986
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:05,240
Speaker 1: That's all you can do in MMA. But it would

987
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: be weird, and I think unfortunate if there is a

988
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,479
Speaker 1: sense of a lack of resolution or even after ten

989
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: rounds between Max and Alex, that that's not resolved the

990
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: third time. But to the point B see whether it

991
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: happens for a title or not, actually think it's more

992
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: important that it happens on the title grounds, because either

993
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: Max reclaims or I should say, affirms his spot as

994
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: the number two guy, or and I don't if wise

995
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 1: he number two. He beat Aldo twice, right, but Aldo's

996
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: larger successful body of work is better at featherweight. That's

997
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: the whole point. Anyway, neither here nor there. If Max

998
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: loses to Alex a third time, then you have this

999
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: not only this sort of reality that you had three

1000
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: chances and you couldn't do it, But more to the point,

1001
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: it would be that fourth title defense that I refer

1002
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: to earlier, and it would be against the guy not

1003
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: only will or put you above, but it would be

1004
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: the fourth would happen on the back of the guy

1005
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: that's kind of whole you from that position, it would

1006
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,720
Speaker 1: at least allow him. So either way, BC, the reason

1007
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: why you want that for a title is that is

1008
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: the clarifying answer to who is ranked behind Aldo all

1009
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: time at one forty five. You know you're still asking

1010
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 1: a question of who's number two, But I still think

1011
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: that that's a valuable question, and having it happen on

1012
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: the title grounds, to me is more historically significant.

1013
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 2: Right, But both scenarios I laid out for you are

1014
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 2: on the title ground. So I think if you're gonna

1015
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: argue what would make their third fight the biggest possible stage,

1016
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 2: I think you go the pro wrestling route and go

1017
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 2: what if the zombie did upset him? Then what if

1018
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 2: Max took the title from him and then Max is

1019
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 2: the champion going into the third Volkanovsky fight. I think

1020
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 2: that's the only way you make this even bigger if

1021
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 2: you had that control.

1022
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: You don't.

1023
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 2: It's not likely either way. Look, if Volkanovsky wins a

1024
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 2: third time against one of the all time great fighters

1025
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 2: in Max Holloway, that's the best possible way. He can

1026
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 2: shut down all of these arguments, all of these conversations

1027
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 2: and start knocking on that door of the upper room

1028
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 2: the goat right and find out if there's a chair

1029
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 2: at the table for him. So it's gonna be fun.

1030
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 2: This division is still very filled, very exciting, hopes to

1031
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 2: be comes back to mix it up. But either way,

1032
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 2: this this should be interesting theater, even though it's not

1033
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 2: what we chose for Saturday Night.

1034
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the last thing I'd say on this too

1035
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: is well, something of a slightly different point, I guess.

1036
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: I guess the only thing for me that I think

1037
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 1: about with this contest is if Korean Zombie wins.

1038
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 3: What do you?

1039
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: What do you do? Okay, BC, let's say last thing

1040
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 1: on this. Let's say Korean Zombie wins, and he wins

1041
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: in a way that is decidedly like it was one sided, right, like,

1042
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,479
Speaker 1: oh Jesus Christ, do they do an immediate rematch again?

1043
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 2: Like?

1044
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: Does Volkanovsky get back to that place or does the

1045
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 1: fact that the two fights with Max Holloway cost him

1046
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: so now he has to get back in line to

1047
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: go get where he wants to go?

1048
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 2: All right, Let's do it the Matt sarahway, because that's

1049
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 2: kind of what this upset would be right now, given

1050
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 2: the run Volkanovsky's on, he Matt sarah'sim meaning we know

1051
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 2: Matt Sarah had that in him, but it was very unlikely,

1052
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 2: And so I think you go right to Max. He

1053
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 2: is the he's the name of this division, the face

1054
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: of it, and Luke again, that's where you're you're juice,

1055
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 2: just juicing up the storyline. You go right to Max

1056
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 2: with the title shot. He's ready, he's healthy, let's do it.

1057
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 2: He was already in line for Volkanowski. But you know,

1058
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 2: can you lose either way? No, but you're not. There's

1059
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 2: no chance they're going to the rematch of TKZ and Volkanowski. No,

1060
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 2: they're calling the star who's in the bullpen? Wait in

1061
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 2: Max Hollaway. You better believe that.

1062
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to point number four. We moved

1063
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 1: to boxing and again for folks being like, what about

1064
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: Krobert Burns and Hamzad, what about Al Jil and Peter Jon. Yes,

1065
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: we're going to get to all that in deep detail

1066
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: throughout the course of the week. However, we start now

1067
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: for point number four with Triple G, who is back

1068
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: in action BC. He's now forty. I believe he has

1069
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: not fought in something like this is his longest layoff,

1070
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: maybe of his career, but certainly a long layoff either way.

1071
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: He takes on Riyoto Murrada. This will be on Saturday

1072
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: on his own. I think the is like one in

1073
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: the morning, though, because of course it's going to be

1074
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: on native time in Japan. We see a couple different

1075
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: questions to get to with this one. Let's start here,

1076
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: how likely is a Marata upset over Triple G? Stylistically,

1077
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: he seems like the kind of guy who's gonna give

1078
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: Triple G his best chance to win. He's kind of

1079
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: a blood and guts fighter himself. Decent puncher, maybe not

1080
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: on the level of Triple G. Triple G, though older,

1081
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: didn't have his last two showings against Dervi Yanchenko and

1082
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: Smrzet or whatever the guy's name was, not the best

1083
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: showings in the world. Is Marada really a dog here

1084
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: that you can imagine getting his hand raised.

1085
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 2: So on paper? No, but the fact that this fight

1086
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 2: has been somewhat unnecessarily delayed by both injury the pandemic,

1087
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 2: most of the pandemic, but the fact that we're pushing

1088
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 2: this off so far, and the fact that Triple G

1089
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 2: has fought now just once in like thirty six months,

1090
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 2: will be forty the day before this fight happens on Saturday.

1091
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 2: And look, I think this fight the main card airs

1092
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 2: around five or five thirty am Saturday morning, Eastern time.

1093
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: So this is like breakfast.

1094
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 2: With Wilma in here in Japan. But here's the deal.

1095
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 2: You kind of touched on it. Where Triple G has

1096
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 2: gone since the conclusion of the two fight series with

1097
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 2: Canelo Alvarez just what three and a half years ago.

1098
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 2: It wasn't the ending or the twilight we would have

1099
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 2: thought for him. He fights Sergei Darren Minchenko in a

1100
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 2: Fight of the Year contender, and Madison Square Garden, an

1101
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 2: all alt right brawl in which Triple G gets a

1102
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 2: somewhat disputed decision in which, look, he didn't look like

1103
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 2: the freshest version of himself. Then he takes a long

1104
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 2: time off. Then he fights Zerah Metta and you know,

1105
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 2: he mops him up, knocks him down all of the ring.

1106
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 2: But between those two fights and the Steve Rolls fight

1107
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 2: in between, which was just a soft touch to come

1108
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 2: back for Triple G, it seems decided that he's slowed

1109
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 2: down now for him to keep up that kind of

1110
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 2: offensive threat that he does. It's taxing, it's power punching,

1111
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 2: but it's reliant on the speed up and get in

1112
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 2: those combinations. He doesn't seem to be exactly the same

1113
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 2: fighter anymore. If you look at his quotes leading up

1114
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 2: to this fight, Triple G saying, look, I've never been

1115
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 2: forty before. I don't know what it's going to feel

1116
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 2: like in that ring. Could me keep fighting on at

1117
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 2: this level at forty end up being my downfall? It

1118
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 2: could be. I mean, he was very honest with himself

1119
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 2: in that regard. I think if you look at Riota

1120
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 2: Morada and ask yourself, okay, what is his threat? What

1121
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 2: can they actually do? Well, he's not so fast Luke,

1122
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 2: so he's not a pure boxer. He's not a one

1123
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 2: punch knockout threat, so he's not known as that. But

1124
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 2: he's an aggressive boxer who gets inside on you and

1125
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 2: to his credit, goes after it. And if you look

1126
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 2: at the two men to have beaten Marada, they've both

1127
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,919
Speaker 2: come in the last four years, and he avenged both

1128
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 2: losses in the next fight to regain either the WBA

1129
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 2: interim title or the full WBA title that eventually got.

1130
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 2: And the most impressive was the two fight series with

1131
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 2: Rob Brant, in which he was upset the first time

1132
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 2: by decision, but came back in absolutely left no doubt

1133
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,399
Speaker 2: in the second round and stopped him with big punches Luke.

1134
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 2: He fights in his straight line. There's not a lot

1135
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,760
Speaker 2: of thrills to it. But Marada looks to get inside,

1136
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 2: find the opening, and he is an accurate counterpuncher, and

1137
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 2: when the opening's there, he goes after it. So if

1138
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 2: Triple G is only seventy five percent of the great

1139
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 2: Triple G, we knew Marada's got a chin and he's

1140
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 2: got a backbone. This could not only be a brawl,

1141
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 2: but the fact that we're doing it, you know, in

1142
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 2: the circumstances we are, with so much time spread out

1143
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 2: in our emotions sort of going, yeah, I don't really

1144
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 2: care about this fight. Well, we haven't seen him in

1145
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 2: a while. And oh, by the way, the prize of

1146
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 2: a third fight with Kannel Alvas this fall seemingly on

1147
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 2: the line here as Triple G looks to unify middleway titles,

1148
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 2: and then if he fought Canelo a third time, he'd

1149
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 2: have to go up to sixty eight. There is trap fight,

1150
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 2: fun fight potential in this matchup. You wouldn't really love

1151
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 2: Marauda's chances because I don't think he has the firepower

1152
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 2: to stop Triple G. But Triple G has been visually

1153
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 2: declining with age at a pace, Luke, that I think

1154
00:53:55,680 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 2: is faster than we anticipated, and you can't discount he

1155
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 2: did to go through two wars with Canelo, especially in

1156
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 2: that second one he went to war with derevin Chenko.

1157
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 2: One of these days he's gonna show up Old, Luke.

1158
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 2: I think you have to hope it's not this time.

1159
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 2: If you like the spectacle and big event of him

1160
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 2: getting that third chance. I don't love that third fight,

1161
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 2: but especially for those who watched the first two and

1162
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 2: feel like Gloffkin got a raw deal going twenty four

1163
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 2: rounds and not having one of those scored for him

1164
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 2: on any of the judges' scorecards. Yeah, I think you'd

1165
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 2: like to see him not show up Old on come

1166
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 2: Saturday in Japan, Luke. But we are asking a lot

1167
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 2: of him here, you know, with the long time off,

1168
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 2: with the location, there is that sort of hint of

1169
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 2: if you can't finish this guy, he's gonna keep coming.

1170
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: Is there the one shot in the Death Star that

1171
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,800
Speaker 2: can be the implosion of Triple G. We've never seen

1172
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 2: him succumb to blows. We see him take big shots. Look,

1173
00:54:56,080 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 2: he's taking monster shots from Danny Jacobs. Even Curtis Stevens

1174
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,919
Speaker 2: that blowout when I mean he's he's taken the best

1175
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 2: shots his opponents have had, shook his head, shook it off,

1176
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,240
Speaker 2: and came forward like a cyborg. One of these days

1177
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 2: that's gonna go, and it's gonna go fast. I don't

1178
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 2: think the money's not at happening Saturday morning. But can

1179
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 2: you create a scenario in which there's a lot of

1180
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 2: trap elements here? I think you very much can.

1181
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: Yeah. So for folks who are wondering what the appropriate

1182
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: time is to begin, I'm actually seeing conflicting reports. I'll

1183
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: just say this. According to de Zone's own website, the

1184
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 1: time for the eastern part of the United States will

1185
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,280
Speaker 1: be a five to ten am start to the card,

1186
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: with the main event ring walks happening at roughly they

1187
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 1: say eight ten in the morning Eastern time on Saturday,

1188
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: so that'd be one ten pm Greenwich Meridian time.

1189
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 2: Shout out to all those Greenwitch fans we had got

1190
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 2: out there, Luke anyone in the middle of the Bearing

1191
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 2: Sea on the international timeline, Okay, adjust your schedules, thank you.

1192
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: Yes. Also, the point I want to make here is

1193
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,959
Speaker 1: this is my read on this bout. There's just there's

1194
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: no okay, to your point about a Triple G's chin,

1195
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: He's fought almost four hundred rounds and never tasted the

1196
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: canvas that includes both amateur and pro. I mean just

1197
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: the big Chatzi.

1198
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 2: Took four hundred four he has what what do you have?

1199
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 1: Yes? What am I saying? Yes? Not rounds? Four hundred fights? Yeah,

1200
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 1: almost almost, I think as like three ninety three to

1201
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: or something like that. Almost four hundred fights not rounds,

1202
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: but pardon me. Where he has fought between amateur and

1203
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: pro and never been knocked down, something truly incredible. However,

1204
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: my best read on this BC's you kind of already

1205
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: stated this, but this is what I'll say from from

1206
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: someone from my perspective. He doesn't have as much experience

1207
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: with Marada, although Triple JIB been watching for some time, namely,

1208
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: the idea that this is winnable for Marada, who's thirty

1209
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: six himself, not exactly a spring chicken, is banking on

1210
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 1: the idea that Triple G is inexorably in some form

1211
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: of decline, and that that vulnerability makes it more competitive

1212
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: than the Triple G we have previously known, who is

1213
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:58,760
Speaker 1: more or less capable of weathering anything. Marada would otherwise

1214
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: be able to throw. Is that a fair assessment?

1215
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it absolutely is a fair assessment. It's it. But

1216
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 2: I don't know there's another element in there, Luke. You

1217
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,240
Speaker 2: know Triple G cut part, cut ways with Abel Sanchez,

1218
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 2: who was the trainer of record throughout his entire you

1219
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 2: know run that began with you know, coming to America

1220
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 2: on twenty twelve on HBO and suddenly becoming this overnight

1221
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 2: knockout sensation. This you know, Mike Tyson from Eastern Europe

1222
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 2: in a way where he smiled, you know, he smiles

1223
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 2: outside the ring and destroys people with one shot inside

1224
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 2: of it. Let's give him credit, Luke. He had a

1225
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 2: Nike Air Jordan sponsorship, you know, he had, He had

1226
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 2: all these. He became a very big deal, had a

1227
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 2: little bit of bad look at the top, was avoided

1228
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 2: for a long time, had the bad scorecards against Canelo. Well,

1229
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 2: he cut ties with Abel Sanchez in pretty disruptive fashion

1230
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 2: over not wanting to pay the same percentage to his trainer.

1231
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 2: Once Triple G started making that big time money, that

1232
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 2: dizone money. And let's remember, if you don't when Desionne

1233
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 2: launched and they threw the vault at Canelo. They threw

1234
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:00,439
Speaker 2: one hundred million dollar deal also at Triple G, under

1235
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 2: the guise of we're gonna build our streaming brand off

1236
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 2: of getting At that moment, you know, what you could

1237
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 2: have argued was boxing's most coveted pay per view fight

1238
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 2: a third fight between these two. Only a lot's changed

1239
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 2: since then. They never got in the ring to each

1240
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 2: other against each other because of all the difficulties in

1241
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 2: the Golden Boy versus Canelo deal that they had, with

1242
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 2: all the headaches that we know up to that point,

1243
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 2: he brought on Jonathan Banks Luke as a new trainer,

1244
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 2: you know, the trainer who was with Vladimir Klitschko after

1245
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 2: Emmanuel Stewart died. And I didn't like what I saw.

1246
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 2: I didn't, you know, even though he mopped up some

1247
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 2: Zurmetta in that in that Stay Busy, I think Jonathan

1248
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 2: Banks is trying too hard to make him a calculated

1249
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 2: boxer who works off the jab. And here's the deal,

1250
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 2: when what made Triple G amazing in his prime was

1251
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 2: the fact that he was a destroyer who had such

1252
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 2: a strong amateur backdown background that to get inside he's

1253
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 2: using such incredible technique and his punches are always, you know,

1254
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 2: so hard on balance at the right point, never puts

1255
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 2: himself in the wrong position, never over it, extending technically,

1256
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 2: he's a master, yet he puts the pressure on you.

1257
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 2: He cuts off the ring and has destructive power that

1258
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 2: he just takes you out. When he finally met people

1259
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 2: who couldn't take who could take the power to some degree,

1260
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 2: when Danny Jacobs got up off the canvas and went

1261
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 2: the distance with him in Madison Square, Garden looked that

1262
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 2: end of day what twenty three fight Ko streak like

1263
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 2: something ridiculous. Then he goes to you know, killer fights

1264
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 2: with Canelo. I think somewhere along the way he's tried

1265
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 2: to evolve into too much of a boxer, and when

1266
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 2: your skills deteriorate, I don't think that's the best game

1267
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 2: plan for him. I'm not saying you got to kick

1268
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 2: Jonathan Bicks to the curb and bring back Abel Sanchez.

1269
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 2: I'm saying you got to bring back the spirit of

1270
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 2: who you were against Abel Sanchez. And you may have

1271
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 2: to come to terms with this fact. I'm older, I'm slower,

1272
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 2: but the power is the last thing to go. I

1273
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 2: need to get inside of my opponents. I need to

1274
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 2: make them taste my power right away, and I need

1275
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 2: to not f around that Marauda shows up with a

1276
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 2: big chin, big b and somehow goes the distance at

1277
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 2: home against me and has a chance to upset me

1278
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 2: on the scorecards. I got to go in there and

1279
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 2: be that triple G from twenty thirteen twenty fourteen and

1280
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 2: just get this motherfucker out of there so I can

1281
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 2: set up that big bank against Canelo, and whether he's

1282
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 2: too old luke to actually cash that in and get

1283
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 2: the biggest victory of his career or not. The only

1284
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 2: way I think he's gonna get there is by being

1285
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 2: the old triple G. Enough of this boxing shit, enough

1286
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 2: of this you know, too technical or too slow. You

1287
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 2: are too slow these days for that super elite level.

1288
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 2: Go out there and remind us against Marada exactly who

1289
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 2: you are.

1290
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 1: All right? But then that leads to the natural question

1291
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 1: we see that on everyone's mind here. If Marada wins,

1292
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 1: however unlikely that may be, does that fully destroy the

1293
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 1: possibility of a Canelo triple G. Now, Canelo has to

1294
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: do his work against Bivol, So let's assume for a

1295
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: second he beats Bivoll, which is no walk in the park.

1296
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: And by the way, man, not even you know, BiVO

1297
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: might just win that outright, But let's say for a

1298
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: second Canelo wins and Marada wins. What's next for Triple G?

1299
01:00:59,480 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 5: Then?

1300
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 2: Look, if he gets beaten, clearly it's a big nail

1301
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 2: on the coffin that you know, not that you need

1302
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 2: to retire tomorrow, but look, you're done on the elite level.

1303
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 2: Riota Morada at his best is not on Triple G's level.

1304
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 2: It's not happening. So you know, he would have to

1305
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 2: Is there any scenario on which a Canelo fights still happened, Well,

1306
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 2: maybe if Triple G got robbed on the cards, and

1307
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 2: maybe if they ran it back right away, and then

1308
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 2: maybe you still put this fight together at this fall.

1309
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 2: But no, Luke, for the most part, it's survived. To

1310
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 2: advance here, he's gonna have to win this, and I think,

1311
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 2: look to make that third Canelo fight big and get

1312
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 2: people like me stop talking about the fact that he's

1313
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 2: going to be forty and that he doesn't look like

1314
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 2: the same you know, Ganadi, Ganayevitch Glovkin that I once

1315
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 2: fell in love with. I think he's got to go

1316
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 2: in there, Like I said, earlier and knock this guy out.

1317
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was. I don't have anything to add to

1318
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: the question other than what you had said, which was

1319
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 1: I think not only does Triple G lose the Canelo trilogy.

1320
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I just can't imagine Canelo wanting wanting to

1321
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: fight him hardly at all, especially if he gets dusted

1322
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 1: by Marauda, which again I don't think is likely, but

1323
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: it could happen certainly.

1324
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 2: It's all if it gets dusted by Maurado, the fights off,

1325
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 2: Canelo barely wants this no chance, right, Canelo barely wants this. Here.

1326
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 2: Here's why I'm gonna give Knelo some credit. He has

1327
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 2: always said, what else do I have to prove against

1328
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 2: this guy? Like, like, okay, if you didn't believe he

1329
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 2: won the any either of the first two, which I didn't,

1330
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 2: and if you believe there's conspiracy involved in the first one,

1331
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 2: then then maybe you still want this third chance at redemption.

1332
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 2: But from Canelos standpoint, he's basically going, I hate this guy.

1333
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 2: He's accused me of steroids a million times, He's always

1334
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 2: talking shit about me. I don't want to reward him

1335
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 2: with the money. But Luke the fan Wah was so

1336
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 2: large for this that this is canel saying, okay, look,

1337
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 2: this is one of you know, arguably the biggest fight

1338
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 2: I can make on this side of the tracks with

1339
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 2: his own I'll do it, fans, if you really want it.

1340
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 2: If Triple g ain't even close to the same, Triple

1341
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 2: G canelos not picking you know, he's not accepting this.

1342
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 1: All right, Let's go to now topic number five, which

1343
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: is a bit of a boxing a weekend beyond just

1344
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 1: what Triple G is doing BC. A few places we

1345
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 1: can start. We'll talk about the Showtime fight in just

1346
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: a second, but I do want to get to Instagram

1347
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 1: star because really the last sixteen months he's been a

1348
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: little bit more of that than anything else. Ryan Garcia

1349
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 1: is back against I'm going to call what is basically

1350
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 1: an opponent he's supposed to beat, good fighter, manual to go,

1351
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: but not one that I think is really Again, if

1352
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 1: Ryan Garcia is Ryan Garcia should not have a whole

1353
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 1: lot of trouble with but BC, he has changed trainers.

1354
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: For folks who may not know, this fight's at one

1355
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: thirty nine a catchweight, not one hundred and thirty five pounds.

1356
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 6: He is.

1357
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 1: This seems to me like in every way ABC, new

1358
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: weight class, new opponent, obviously new opponent, but you know,

1359
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 1: new trainer, sort of whole new situation. Really, this is

1360
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 1: a bit of a reset moment for Ryan Garcia. So

1361
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 1: fine to take things easy to start here. But is

1362
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 1: there anything more to this story than just the Ryan

1363
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: Garcia reset?

1364
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I think that Ryan Garcia reset is the story,

1365
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 2: but I think there's a lot more layers than we're

1366
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 2: really looking at. So on the surface, Luke, based on

1367
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 2: accomplishments and name value, was this the fight you wanted

1368
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 2: for Garcia? No, he was in contracts to potentially fight

1369
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 2: Jojo Diaz, which would have been a hell of a fight.

1370
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 2: We saw the fight that Jojo Diaz gave Devin Haney instead.

1371
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 2: Last fault was a strong performance and a loss. Ryan,

1372
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 2: you know, canceled that for a few different reasons I'll

1373
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:14,919
Speaker 2: get to in a second. We didn't want him coming

1374
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 2: back against a guy who were like, who is this

1375
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 2: guy again? But here's two things I'll say about Emmanuel

1376
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 2: togho'st chances and why this fight is more interesting than

1377
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 2: you may realize. One, Luke, I'll say I'll culturally appropriate

1378
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 2: this guy's from Okragana, Luke, that's a city in Africa

1379
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 2: which has produced one boxing hammer after another from you know, uh,

1380
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 2: from i Coarte to Joshua Claudie to Azuma Nelson to

1381
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 2: any time you get a guy and you go, I've

1382
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 2: never read it. Oh it's from Acragana. Okay, this guy

1383
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 2: could fight. And we know potentially about Ryan Garcia's chin,

1384
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 2: which is the biggest issue about him. And when you

1385
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 2: mix that, Luke, with all of the factors coming in

1386
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 2: that are questions against Ryan Garcia. Look straight up that

1387
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 2: the kids canna have a lot to answer for on Saturday.

1388
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 1: Luke.

1389
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 2: It's not just the fifteen month layoff. It's not just

1390
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 2: the risk surgery. It's not just the mental health break

1391
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 2: that he took by canceling that DS fight and then

1392
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 2: subsequently sharing And this is serious. I'm not downgrading it

1393
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 2: that he considered suicide and that there was a lot

1394
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 2: going on, Luke. He's fathered, I believe, multiple children on

1395
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 2: the side, and he's got you know, there's been some

1396
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 2: personal blow ups on Twitter Ron Garsia's you know, this

1397
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 2: is drama around him. Now you add in he leaves

1398
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 2: Team Canelo amid Canelo questioning his work ethic publicly, he

1399
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 2: drops the reigning trainer of the Year Eddie Renoso for

1400
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 2: a very strong trainer and veteran Joe Goosen. But Luke,

1401
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 2: this is really the main topic I want to get

1402
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 2: into here. Even if you separate all of those potential

1403
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 2: distractions and questions that need answering, and they're a lot.

1404
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 2: There's physical ones, there's ring Russ, there's mental emotional balance

1405
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 2: and all that changing trainers to such a high powered

1406
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 2: offensive coach who Joe Goosen is. Watch Diego Carrals has

1407
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 2: comeback against Jose Luis Castillo. Watch John Molina's great comeback

1408
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 2: on Showtime against Mickey Bay in the final round to

1409
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 2: get the knockout. He lights a fire in his fighters

1410
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 2: and gets them coming forward full steam ahead. You could

1411
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 2: argue Ryan Garcia needs anything but that he's coming off

1412
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 2: his biggest victory of his career against Luke Campbell. But

1413
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 2: with that being his biggest victory, right seventh round, body shot, knockout,

1414
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 2: spectacular cinema drama.

1415
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 1: He wins.

1416
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 2: You know, he got dropped and he got dropped hard

1417
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 2: by a non puncher early. If you're looking at Ryan

1418
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 2: Garcia's game critically offensively, he's a plus plus, the handspeed,

1419
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 2: the combinations, the gunslinger mentality to go after it. But there,

1420
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 2: in my opinion, are still strong questions about the head movement,

1421
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 2: the defensive nature of what he does. So, Luke, when

1422
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 2: I chatted with him a couple weeks, you know, when

1423
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 2: this fight was first announced, of course we played the

1424
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 2: sound of this. Hey, Oscar thinks you should fight Canelo.

1425
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 2: All that bs, let's put alls to the side. Let's

1426
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 2: talk about the actual fighter here. I think he's got

1427
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 2: a lot more questions to answer than we realize coming

1428
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 2: into this fight. And this is how I sort of

1429
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 2: set up the question of him of Look, I know

1430
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 2: you got Joe Goosen, and that's great. I love me

1431
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 2: some Joe Goosen, but how much are you looking at

1432
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 2: the criticisms against you regarding your defensive vulnerabilities and how

1433
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 2: much will that be a focus now with this new

1434
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 2: trainer heading into this comeback fight. Let's see what he

1435
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 2: had to say.

1436
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think about defense at all, right, I

1437
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 5: think that defense I'm kidding, uh, I mean, you know,

1438
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 5: you got to you gotta be honest with yourself when

1439
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 5: it comes to certain situations. And I've looked over the

1440
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 5: Campbell fight and things in past, you know, fights that

1441
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 5: you know, they're just little little technical things that I

1442
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 5: could work on real quick. You know.

1443
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 2: They're not like Anninger problems.

1444
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 5: See right, It's not like I don't have a good

1445
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 5: sense for the ring, you know, or I get hit

1446
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 5: a lot. You're not really seeing that. You don't ever

1447
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 5: see me busted up in my face. You've never even

1448
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 5: seen me really go a lot arounds. I mean, Campbell

1449
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 5: hit me with a good shot. But people make such

1450
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 5: a big deal about my defense, like, all right, well

1451
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:16,560
Speaker 5: we'll see what happens. You know, I know that I

1452
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:19,639
Speaker 5: can make these adjustments, and I know that what really

1453
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 5: matters when you're in that ring is sense of ranging, timing.

1454
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 2: That's what really matters.

1455
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 5: You know. You could have your gloves up all day,

1456
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 5: but as a good fighter, I could see those little

1457
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 5: windows of opportunities that people don't see.

1458
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:37,640
Speaker 2: Right, So it just takes a real good eye in

1459
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:38,519
Speaker 2: order to see that.

1460
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 6: They.

1461
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 5: Of course, many people oh his hands down in this situation.

1462
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 5: I could count a million times on how many times

1463
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 5: Floyd Meewell his hands were down, or Canalo's hands are down,

1464
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 5: or everybody's hands are down. Muhammad Ali Mike, Like, we

1465
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:58,599
Speaker 5: can go all day talking about wow, his hand right

1466
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 5: hands down or his left hand done. At the end

1467
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 5: of the day, it's what how do you feel in

1468
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 5: the ring? Where can you do you have a good

1469
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:07,800
Speaker 5: sense of experience in the ring when to pick up

1470
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 5: that hand or when not to pick up a hand.

1471
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 2: There's so much more to this game that.

1472
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 5: People just don't understand.

1473
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:19,600
Speaker 2: And guess what I'm working on all that, Luke, I

1474
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,600
Speaker 2: got that answer, how much do you think I'm overplaying

1475
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 2: this because you saw the Louke Campbell fight. You know

1476
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 2: the upper bound limits of who Ryan Garcia could be

1477
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:31,560
Speaker 2: as a finisher and obviously a crossover breakthrough star. I

1478
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 2: know that when you're that popular where they point seven

1479
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 2: million Instagram followers, you're gonna get a lot of hate.

1480
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 2: Is the hate justified from a critical standpoint?

1481
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 1: No, I mean hate, No, But I think skepticism is

1482
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:50,559
Speaker 1: well placed. I mean, one thing we didn't even bring

1483
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 1: up is he trained. He changed trainers obviously from a

1484
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 1: Reno so to goosen. But do we remember Canelo dropping

1485
01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 1: all those hints in the media being like this guy

1486
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 1: just needs to try more, he needs to be more.

1487
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:03,720
Speaker 2: We brought up all that, and it's Eddie Renoso. But

1488
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 2: we brought up all that, I mean, a number one

1489
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 2: fighter in the world saying that Luke, there might be

1490
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 2: some fire to that smoke.

1491
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 1: Yes, certainly, I mean, but here's the thing with all

1492
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 1: of that, It's like, did Garcia change trainers because what

1493
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 1: Goosen was telling him sounded more appealing to him about

1494
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 1: what kind of approach made sense for him? Or did

1495
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 1: he change because Goosen was the very best fit to

1496
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 1: understand him and then elevate him to the next level,

1497
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 1: Like in other words, maybe taking on and having an

1498
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 1: honest auditing of some of the things that go right,

1499
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:41,560
Speaker 1: some of the things that go wrong. How do we

1500
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 1: make this all work in a straightforward way? And I

1501
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 1: just feel like if you're feeling those life pressures from injury,

1502
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 1: from celebrity whatever, from perhaps distance from Canelo and the

1503
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 1: camp you were in and everything else, and you go

1504
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 1: to Goosen, this just feels very different to me than

1505
01:10:56,520 --> 01:11:00,679
Speaker 1: Tyson Fury changing trainer from Ben Davison to then sugar

1506
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 1: Hill Steward. Right, because there he was he had the

1507
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 1: draw which was the poor performance or you know, or

1508
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 1: relatively not on power performance up to his capability and

1509
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 1: he was looking for a very specific upgrade to his style,

1510
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 1: something I need. I don't quite have that. I need

1511
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 1: to like round that corner. This feels like it's not that.

1512
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 1: On the other hand, BC, if getting a fresh look

1513
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 1: and a fresh start is exactly what he needed, maybe

1514
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 1: all's well. That ends well too, Like maybe staying with

1515
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:31,799
Speaker 1: Renoso wasn't the best fit for a mental health standpoint,

1516
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 1: especially if your stablemate. Granted, you know, Canell is probably

1517
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 1: giving some tough love there.

1518
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1519
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:38,640
Speaker 1: Maybe he wasn't in the mood for some tough love.

1520
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 1: Maybe that's not exactly what he needed. Everyone says, oh,

1521
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 1: that's the responsible thing. You need to be listening to that.

1522
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 1: But if you're having different kinds of struggles, that's not

1523
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 1: great for prize fighting more generally. But it may not

1524
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 1: be what he needs right now. I guess what I'm

1525
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 1: trying to figure out is BC, I don't know what

1526
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 1: that move to Goosen really says about the underlying conditions

1527
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:59,599
Speaker 1: of Garcia's competitive ability. I don't know if he did

1528
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 1: it as a port in the storm, or if he

1529
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 1: did it for vanity purposes, or if it was a

1530
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 1: real strategic call to maximize himself for this next stage

1531
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:10,639
Speaker 1: of his career. I guess we'll see.

1532
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 2: He's going on record saying, you know, Eddie's too busy,

1533
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 2: which Eddie's got a big stable of big name fighters,

1534
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 2: and that happens when trainers become celebrity trainers. He wants

1535
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:21,679
Speaker 2: more focused, one on one attention. If that's the case,

1536
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 2: obviously it's a strong move. But you also wonder did

1537
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:27,839
Speaker 2: he not no longer want to play, you know, Robin

1538
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:31,639
Speaker 2: to Canelo's batman. If Batman's going out there like Canelo

1539
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 2: did last what was it September or October and tell

1540
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 2: the media, Hey, Ryan Garcia's got all the talent, but

1541
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if he works hard enough to maximize it.

1542
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:43,840
Speaker 2: You have to believe that was the crack, that was

1543
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 2: the beginning, and Canelos doing tough love like your point

1544
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 2: to try to say, hey, this kid really needs to

1545
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:50,840
Speaker 2: put it together. You know he doesn't have that. But sometimes, Luke,

1546
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 2: you know, fighters don't develop that, you know, right away.

1547
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 2: Sometimes that's got to be something that comes over time,

1548
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 2: through ups and downs. We haven't seen Ryan Garcia go

1549
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:00,840
Speaker 2: through those ups and downs the level of taking a

1550
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 2: loss yet, but we have seen someone like Amir Khan,

1551
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 2: who has similar offensive firepower to Ryan, But every single

1552
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 2: fight someone found the found that one shot to bring

1553
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:12,479
Speaker 2: the death star down, you know, the big in the

1554
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:14,560
Speaker 2: big moment. So I think this all adds up to

1555
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 2: bring more theater to what, to your point, is set

1556
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:21,639
Speaker 2: up to be a comeback look good performance. Only he's

1557
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:23,240
Speaker 2: gonna be in there with a real lion. So if

1558
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 2: there's holes in his game, you wonder if to Go

1559
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 2: can find that Luke. Either way, look, Ryan Garcia is

1560
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 2: gonna be big time theater every time he fights that vulnerabilities,

1561
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 2: that era of vulnerability is gonna linger and Luke he

1562
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:37,759
Speaker 2: may be. He may show you more flaws than positives

1563
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:39,599
Speaker 2: and still come away with a knockout win, because that's

1564
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 2: the gun slinger he is.

1565
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 1: All right. Now, we also go to Showtime, which has

1566
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 1: a very more than respectable actually a pretty important fight

1567
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:51,759
Speaker 1: at one hundred and fifty four pounds, when Ericson Lubin,

1568
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:53,800
Speaker 1: who I believe is twenty six years old, that's right,

1569
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 1: takes on Sebastian Fundora, who's twenty four years old, six

1570
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:01,840
Speaker 1: foot six, basically the towering Inferno him BC true or

1571
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 1: false winner of this contest gets the winner of Charlo

1572
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 1: Castanio two.

1573
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:10,280
Speaker 2: I want to say it depends because here's the reason

1574
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 2: why cart Charlo Castanio two is for all four titles.

1575
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 2: May fourteenth, on Sho time, rematch of their disputed draw

1576
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 2: from the first time around. But let's not forget tim

1577
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:22,719
Speaker 2: Zu just became the number one contender for Brian Costano's title,

1578
01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:27,360
Speaker 2: and if this fight right here Lubin versus for Fondura

1579
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:30,719
Speaker 2: is for the interim WBC title which is held by Charlo,

1580
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 2: meaning they become the number one contender for Charlo. So

1581
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:37,879
Speaker 2: how it all plays out is going to be interesting.

1582
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 2: But if you're ericson Lubin, Luke, who we both know

1583
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:43,680
Speaker 2: is such a good looking young fighter, a boxer and

1584
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 2: a puncher, can do a bunch of different things.

1585
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 1: You know.

1586
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 2: His only loss was that first round knockout destructive loss

1587
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:53,639
Speaker 2: to Jim to Durmel Charlo five years ago. He's seven

1588
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 2: and oh sense then and he's one by one climb

1589
01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 2: that ladder and beaten all the other names. It's not

1590
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:02,720
Speaker 2: only a good story. If he gets past Fondora and

1591
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 2: Charlotte gets pas Castano and then his victory for winning

1592
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 2: this fight is a chance at all four belts and

1593
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 2: to redeem the only loss of his career. It would

1594
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:13,600
Speaker 2: be a compelling matchup. I think the biggest question and

1595
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:15,160
Speaker 2: tell me if you're wrong. If I'm wrong, because we

1596
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 2: both watched ericson. Lubin in his last fight, went in

1597
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 2: there against Banana Rosario Jason Rozzaio, the former unified champion,

1598
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:24,680
Speaker 2: and dude, he had to walk through some hell to

1599
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 2: get that finished via body shot. Is the chin issues

1600
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 2: that Lubin showed in the first Charlo fight a lingering

1601
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 2: concern or is it just style based and he got

1602
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 2: sucked into a war there. The one thing you can

1603
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 2: say about Sebastian Fundora, who is Lubin's opponent on Saturday,

1604
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 2: is he maybe six foot six in the you know,

1605
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:45,760
Speaker 2: towering inferno, but he gives away that height and reach

1606
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:49,439
Speaker 2: almost instantly and he's looking to brawl with you. This

1607
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:51,640
Speaker 2: is gonna be interesting theater, Luke. You can argue this

1608
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 2: is the best boxing match of the weekend in terms

1609
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 2: of matchups, in terms of what's at stake. I will

1610
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 2: look Canelo. I'm sorry, Glukin's in a middleweight title unification match,

1611
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 2: but you know, Marada, we don't think of as world

1612
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:04,599
Speaker 2: class elite. This is going to be in a very

1613
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:06,599
Speaker 2: interesting test and at the end of the day, yes,

1614
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 2: I think Lubin would deserve the next test because he's

1615
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:12,800
Speaker 2: beaten so many contenders to get to this point. This

1616
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 2: is a real good fight on Saray.

1617
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:16,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean to your point, Yes, Triple T's a

1618
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:18,400
Speaker 1: big star, and obviously it's a setup for the Canalo

1619
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:20,280
Speaker 1: fight and unification and all this kind of stuff. But

1620
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 1: at twenty four and twenty six, both of these guys,

1621
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:23,840
Speaker 1: depending on where you look in the rankings for both

1622
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 1: Lubin and Fundora, are both inside the top five, some

1623
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 1: inside the top three. So we're not talking about chumps here.

1624
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 1: We're talking about very good, very young fighters in a

1625
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 1: very competitive matchup. And that's see. This is really the

1626
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:37,760
Speaker 1: interesting point to MEBC with Fundora, who just sort of

1627
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:40,479
Speaker 1: acts like a canopy over his opponents but gives away

1628
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:42,639
Speaker 1: the reach and one now he seems to like the style.

1629
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 1: I don't know how good it is for him, but anyway,

1630
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 1: he likes to do what he likes to do. This

1631
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:50,639
Speaker 1: to me is a fight that a guy as talented

1632
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:52,960
Speaker 1: as Slick and a good of a puncher as Lubin

1633
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:56,120
Speaker 1: should win. But to do that, it's not going to

1634
01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 1: come quickly. He's going to have to be disciplined and

1635
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:04,599
Speaker 1: and defensively sound through at least the first six rounds BC,

1636
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 1: and then I think he can begin to open up

1637
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 1: perhaps a little bit more once the fight has sort

1638
01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 1: of settled into whatever pace it's settled into. But if

1639
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 1: he doesn't, dude, you and I both know Fundora is

1640
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:15,720
Speaker 1: going to try to overwhelm him with volume. He's going

1641
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 1: to try to overwhelm him with by smothering him to

1642
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:20,760
Speaker 1: a degree. So this is really to me like a

1643
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:22,639
Speaker 1: big test. I don't know if it will test his chin.

1644
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 1: It could test his durability over the course of a

1645
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 1: fight if he's not careful, but it's not like one

1646
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:30,920
Speaker 1: punch durability in that sense. But to me, it's a

1647
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 1: bigger test about is Lubin the guy who, if we know,

1648
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:36,680
Speaker 1: the very best guys in this division could do it.

1649
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:40,000
Speaker 1: But is Lubin the guy to thread the needle where

1650
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 1: the opponent's going to give you open targets. But it

1651
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 1: could also come with you being made a little bit

1652
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:47,560
Speaker 1: more vulnerable as well. How do you attack that vulnerability

1653
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 1: without making yourself which is always the operative condition, but

1654
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:53,280
Speaker 1: here it's so glaringly like this is the condition. This

1655
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:54,840
Speaker 1: guy's going to give it to you. You've got to

1656
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 1: lay into him and find a way for him to

1657
01:17:57,400 --> 01:17:59,360
Speaker 1: being on the defensive as you do better work, more

1658
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 1: quality work, getting in and out of range, and not

1659
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 1: letting him sort of envelop you as the way he

1660
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 1: likes to do. It's a bit of a boxing IQ

1661
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 1: test for Lubin, who I do think does have good

1662
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:12,519
Speaker 1: fight IQ, but this is a real clear moment in

1663
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:16,599
Speaker 1: his career to attest to his actual full on twelve

1664
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 1: round ability.

1665
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:20,719
Speaker 2: Look, I think Lubin's the better athlete, the better boxer,

1666
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:23,839
Speaker 2: and in a one Punctiononario, I think he's the bigger puncher.

1667
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:27,120
Speaker 2: I also think he's had much better experience in terms

1668
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:29,799
Speaker 2: of beating bigger names. If you look at Fandora's resume,

1669
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:32,439
Speaker 2: he had that draw with Jermonte Clark, who's a good

1670
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 2: fighter in himself, which was very disputed, and he's coming

1671
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 2: off a decision went over Sergio Garcia, which Lubin told

1672
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 2: us himself when we interviewed him that, you know, he

1673
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 2: didn't think Vendora won that fight. Yet with that said, Luke,

1674
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:47,439
Speaker 2: you look at DraftKings minus one ten for Lubin, minus

1675
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 2: one ten for Fanfara so Vegas and by the way,

1676
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:54,559
Speaker 2: Vegas has if you're looking for comparisons, Vegas has Ryan

1677
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 2: Garcia as a minus fourteen fifty favorite over to Go.

1678
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 2: They've got Glovekin as a minus seven hundred favored over Marada.

1679
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:05,720
Speaker 2: They have this one as minus one ten on DraftKings

1680
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 2: on both sides. So they're showing you that the potential

1681
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 2: vulnerabilities there, and even to do what we what we

1682
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:14,720
Speaker 2: think Lubin needs to do, he's gonna have to go

1683
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:16,840
Speaker 2: in Harm's way to do that. So it should be interesting.

1684
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:19,320
Speaker 2: But let's go to some Lubin sound here about why

1685
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:22,760
Speaker 2: he thinks, forget Tim Zu, forget everybody else. If he

1686
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:25,800
Speaker 2: gets a win here, it's Charloe Castano winner or nothing.

1687
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:28,839
Speaker 4: I think this fight right here, you know, it separates

1688
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 4: me from the rest of the pack. You know, I've

1689
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 4: been doing a champion's job. I'm being top contender after

1690
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:36,559
Speaker 4: top contender. You know, they put another one in front

1691
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 4: of me. It's my job to going down on April

1692
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 4: ninth and take care of business. So that could separate

1693
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 4: me from you know, just those contended guys and you

1694
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 4: know those those those guys that are you know, just

1695
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 4: getting there and coming up. You know, I feel like

1696
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:52,960
Speaker 4: I'm I'm in a position where I could take full

1697
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:56,719
Speaker 4: advantage and become champion and fight one of the champions

1698
01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 4: out of you know, Brian Costano or or Jamel Charlo

1699
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 4: with the rematch, but you know, first I got to

1700
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:03,679
Speaker 4: take care of business on Apen.

1701
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:09,360
Speaker 2: Night and Luke, we all know what is at stake,

1702
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 2: you know, in the storyline potential with Charlow, and remember

1703
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:15,599
Speaker 2: that twenty seventeen fight Lubin came in. It's just what god,

1704
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 2: I mean, what was he at that? But twenty one

1705
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 2: years old, you know he had gone again. He was

1706
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 2: a top amateur, but he decided not to follow the

1707
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:24,640
Speaker 2: path of the twenty six Olympic team. He turned pro

1708
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 2: as a teenager in twenty thirteen. Mike Tyson was his

1709
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:30,000
Speaker 2: original promoter, like there were big things planned from him.

1710
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 2: I think you have to say Lubin has corrected what

1711
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:34,680
Speaker 2: went wrong, but let's not forget when he went in there,

1712
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:37,760
Speaker 2: Luke in twenty seventeen against Jamel Charlow. It was one

1713
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 2: looping power shot in round one, and that fight was over.

1714
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:44,360
Speaker 2: It was an absolutely beautiful shot. We know what it

1715
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:46,760
Speaker 2: would mean to him to get Charlo a second time.

1716
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:50,720
Speaker 2: Let's hear his thoughts on you know how much he's

1717
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:51,880
Speaker 2: still thinking about that one.

1718
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:54,519
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a lot of things I did wrong.

1719
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, I had a five week camp.

1720
01:20:57,200 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 4: I didn't I didn't camp the same way I'm doing now,

1721
01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:02,360
Speaker 4: and you know, just certain things. I went out there

1722
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 4: and and and really didn't have too much of a

1723
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:07,280
Speaker 4: game plan. Just wanted to get the ko win. I

1724
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:09,759
Speaker 4: wanted to knock him out. I wanted to look tremendous

1725
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 4: and become a star that night. But you know, God

1726
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:14,559
Speaker 4: got got other plans for me. He had other plans

1727
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:18,080
Speaker 4: after that night. And you know we're putting the plans.

1728
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 4: It's a full effect right now. You know, I got

1729
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,720
Speaker 4: with Kevin Cunnaham. I still got my longtime train a

1730
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 4: Jason Glarza is still with me, you know, as family forever.

1731
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 4: But you know, we we just joined forces with Kevin Cunningham,

1732
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:32,280
Speaker 4: and you know we we've been on the road since

1733
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 4: and I don't plan on stopping not I'm.

1734
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:39,880
Speaker 2: By the way. Kevin Cunningham not only known for being

1735
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:42,840
Speaker 2: a great, hard ass coach known for taking South pause

1736
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:46,800
Speaker 2: like Devin Alexander Corey Spinks to the highest level. So

1737
01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:49,759
Speaker 2: uh luke, this is gonna be some good theater on Saturday.

1738
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:51,600
Speaker 2: And I have to close with this. What makes this

1739
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty four divisions so great? Not only

1740
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:56,639
Speaker 2: is it deep as hell, not only is everybody under

1741
01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:58,960
Speaker 2: the PBC banner for the most part, including Tim Zoo now,

1742
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:01,600
Speaker 2: but look, they're a little vulnerable. We're gonna see a

1743
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:03,879
Speaker 2: lot of parody. We have no idea what Charlie Castano

1744
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 2: too is gonna look like. And we have no idea

1745
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:09,200
Speaker 2: whether it's Lubin, whether it's Tim Zoo, whether it's Jared

1746
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 2: Hurd coming out of nowhere again, Julian Williams. We have

1747
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 2: no idea who's going to be the champion one year

1748
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:13,680
Speaker 2: from now.

1749
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that about this division all right, Last,

1750
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:17,560
Speaker 1: but not least BC. I don't have a ton of

1751
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:19,880
Speaker 1: thoughts on this, but we do. It should be noted

1752
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:22,599
Speaker 1: Mikayla Mayer is back in action. This will be on ESPN.

1753
01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 1: She takes on I think Jennifer Hand By the way,

1754
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 1: Han's last fight was respect on the hip, all right,

1755
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:31,559
Speaker 1: all right, all right, all right, all right, all right,

1756
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:35,200
Speaker 1: hand Han whatever she's she was the boss on Enter

1757
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:41,599
Speaker 1: the Dragon. Her last decision loss was to Taylor, Katie Taylor.

1758
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 1: This is a semi interesting fight. WBC IBF titles on

1759
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:47,320
Speaker 1: the line. I guess Han used to be w IBF,

1760
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:51,479
Speaker 1: IBF title holder. Anything of super significance here.

1761
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:54,680
Speaker 2: Well, look top rank in ESPN has really committed to

1762
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 2: making Mikayla Mayer a star. She's a world champion, a

1763
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 2: unified world champion. Now she's coming off Luke, a legitimate

1764
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 2: Fight of the Year contender last year against a fire

1765
01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:06,680
Speaker 2: named Hama Douche. Rewatchs that fight ten rounds of absolute war.

1766
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:09,040
Speaker 2: And I think what's important for Mikayla Mayer is we

1767
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 2: know she's a good athlete and a very good boxer.

1768
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:14,759
Speaker 2: Comes through the US Olympic system. You know, Al Mitchell,

1769
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:18,799
Speaker 2: the long time Michigan based US boxing coaches, is her trainer.

1770
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:20,400
Speaker 2: She's got a tattoo of his name on her hand.

1771
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:23,320
Speaker 2: I mean, she is a solid boxer, but she had

1772
01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:25,680
Speaker 2: to go in there against Hamadusch and really prove that

1773
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 2: she's a fighter. At the same regard, expect Han to

1774
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:31,479
Speaker 2: try to press her in that regard in Han, by

1775
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:33,640
Speaker 2: the way, the brother of ab Han, who was a

1776
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:37,679
Speaker 2: middling one hundred and fifty four pound contender ish fighter

1777
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:39,680
Speaker 2: over the last decade. But Luke, at the end of

1778
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:41,840
Speaker 2: the day, I think this is a good tryout because

1779
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:44,519
Speaker 2: in the women's game, we know Katie Taylor's going to

1780
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 2: fight Amanda Serrano April thirtieth, and it's really the biggest

1781
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:49,720
Speaker 2: women's fight of all time for all four titles at

1782
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:51,559
Speaker 2: one thirty five, it really is number one and two

1783
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:54,200
Speaker 2: pound for pound. But Mikayla Mayer is trying to crash

1784
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 2: that group, and she's close enough in Wait where it's

1785
01:23:56,439 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 2: not out of the question if she beats a fighter

1786
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 2: here who Katie Taylor just recently be and look great

1787
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 2: doing it and can look great as well, you wonder

1788
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:05,880
Speaker 2: if she can be popped up as a potential opponent

1789
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:07,640
Speaker 2: for the winner of that fight. I know everybody's on

1790
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:10,920
Speaker 2: different networks, but in women's boxing, there's only so many

1791
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 2: elite fighters, and if they're close enough in Wait, you

1792
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 2: have to believe they're going to go out of the

1793
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 2: way to fight each other, like Serrano and Taylor are

1794
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 2: doing called April thirtieth, So I think Mikayla Mayer is

1795
01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 2: continuing to be somebody to watch as not only the

1796
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:26,200
Speaker 2: star potential. She's a broadcaster for top rink. When she's

1797
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 2: not fighting, she's you know, she's had some crossover love

1798
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 2: from a lot of people. You got to earn it

1799
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:32,439
Speaker 2: in the ring though, and Luke, I think she's got

1800
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:33,680
Speaker 2: that dog in her So this should be a fun

1801
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:34,160
Speaker 2: fight to watch.

1802
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:36,560
Speaker 1: And there you go. That is the boxing weekend, So

1803
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:40,200
Speaker 1: a huge MMA weekend, a huge boxing weekend in BC.

1804
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 1: Right after that next week we have the two amazing

1805
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:46,640
Speaker 1: bellator fights. We have Nemcov versus Corey Anderson. We have

1806
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 1: Patricio Pittbull versus Ajmickey two on that Friday, and then

1807
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 1: that's Saturday, We've got Spence versus Ugas and then it

1808
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:55,120
Speaker 1: just keeps on going after that. So it's about to

1809
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:58,240
Speaker 1: get busy, folks. But that is it for us, we see,

1810
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:00,639
Speaker 1: at least terms of asking each other questions. It's time

1811
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:10,600
Speaker 1: now for dms from dogs all right, BC, here we go.

1812
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:15,439
Speaker 1: First things first from Ryan Wilson Underscore films. Is it fair?

1813
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 1: Colby isn't ranked inside the top fifteen pound for pound

1814
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 1: over the last several years. Aside from the Burns lawlor

1815
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:25,400
Speaker 1: differences and competitive fights against each other, Colby and Usman

1816
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:28,559
Speaker 1: have wins against the same people in masudoal Woodley and Maya.

1817
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 1: It seems strange that Usman can be the pound for

1818
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 1: pound number one. He says, no issue with that, but

1819
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 1: that Colby is left outside looking in BCE. What say you, good, sir?

1820
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:40,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that. I currently have him. I

1821
01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:44,599
Speaker 2: think like thirteenth in my CBS Sports Top ten, UFC

1822
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:47,320
Speaker 2: pom for pound and the you know others receiving votes

1823
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:50,479
Speaker 2: category outside the top ten. His only loss is you

1824
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:54,560
Speaker 2: know of memory following that Whirley Alvarez scare early was

1825
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 2: the two Usman fights, and you know, look he he

1826
01:25:57,400 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 2: fought Usman better than really anybody else at this life.

1827
01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:03,680
Speaker 2: So and by the way, when I mentioned sometimes that

1828
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:05,880
Speaker 2: you could make a case for him in the second

1829
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:07,920
Speaker 2: loose moment, I'm not making that case. I thought Lusman

1830
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:09,640
Speaker 2: won that. I'm just saying that when you rewatch that

1831
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:11,439
Speaker 2: fight you look at the scoring. I get why some

1832
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:13,920
Speaker 2: people are trying to make that case. Yes, I think

1833
01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 2: he's deserving in that ten to fifteen range. I think

1834
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:18,519
Speaker 2: he thoroughly beat mas of it all. I think he's

1835
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:20,160
Speaker 2: looking to cash in and get as big as fight

1836
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:22,720
Speaker 2: possible as he can Pourier whoever he can get, and

1837
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:24,640
Speaker 2: I think he's still of that class. Luke, it's just

1838
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 2: unfortunate when you get somebody who's this good, potentially great

1839
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:30,640
Speaker 2: in an era and they got one of the all

1840
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:32,760
Speaker 2: time greats ahead of them. That's just bad luck. It's

1841
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 2: bad timing.

1842
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't really understand this argument a whole lot.

1843
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:40,840
Speaker 1: It's like, who's I understand the point that they're pretty

1844
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 1: close in nature and one is number one and one

1845
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:44,920
Speaker 1: is not even to the top fifteen, and so that

1846
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 1: asymmetry is a little hard to understand. Okay, I think

1847
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 1: that's a reasonable question for sure, But BC, this is

1848
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:53,519
Speaker 1: not super hard to figure out. Kamar Usman has two

1849
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 1: wins over the number one contender, he has a stoppage

1850
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:58,600
Speaker 1: win over the number two contender, and he has a

1851
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:01,439
Speaker 1: win over the number three content. He hasn't fought four

1852
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:03,400
Speaker 1: or five, which is Luke Muhammad. I guess they'll get

1853
01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:06,639
Speaker 1: to that next. Colby has none of that. He has

1854
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:09,599
Speaker 1: no wins over anyone in the top five, no fights

1855
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:13,360
Speaker 1: against anyone in the top five. His only win related

1856
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 1: to that would then be number seven Jorge Masvidol, and

1857
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:20,200
Speaker 1: then Sean Brady, Neil Magne, Michael Kiyasahamzat, Jeff Neil, Lijian

1858
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:23,000
Speaker 1: Lang Santoko, Pons, nabi On, schof Cott, Rockmanov. Yeah, there's

1859
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:25,200
Speaker 1: a real good explanation for it. One deserves it and

1860
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:27,240
Speaker 1: one does it. There might be not much of a

1861
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:30,599
Speaker 1: difference in their fighting ability, but in their record, there

1862
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:33,879
Speaker 1: is a pretty big difference in terms of quality, relevant

1863
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:34,759
Speaker 1: meaningful wins.

1864
01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:36,560
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think what they're asking and I

1865
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:39,360
Speaker 2: couldn't really read the question because you know, our producers

1866
01:27:39,439 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 2: put a whole paragraph at the bottom of that screen there,

1867
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:43,800
Speaker 2: But I think the spirit of the question was, I

1868
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:45,720
Speaker 2: don't think he's top ten right now, especially not coming

1869
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:48,000
Speaker 2: off the loss to the champion, but should he be

1870
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:50,439
Speaker 2: in the you know, others receiving vote, should he be

1871
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:53,360
Speaker 2: in this larger window of top fifteen, top tow Absolutely, Luke,

1872
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:55,280
Speaker 2: He's one of those guys on the outside looking in

1873
01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:58,160
Speaker 2: in my opinion. Now, that's a crowded field that also

1874
01:27:58,240 --> 01:28:00,799
Speaker 2: includes Glover to share who's a champion. That also includes

1875
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 2: you know, some of those guys who don't have belts,

1876
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:05,120
Speaker 2: but are in my top ten like a Justin Gatchee,

1877
01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 2: a Max Holloway. You know Robert Whitaker, who's right probably

1878
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:10,200
Speaker 2: on the same level as Colby as well when you

1879
01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:12,640
Speaker 2: consider he's kind of in that same circumstance, although he

1880
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:16,320
Speaker 2: is a former full champion, So yeah, should we respect

1881
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 2: his all? You know his game right now as pot

1882
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:21,400
Speaker 2: for pound ish, Yes, deserve to be in the top

1883
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:22,080
Speaker 2: ten at this moment.

1884
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:27,400
Speaker 1: No end of discussion, All right from TJ underscore Podro.

1885
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:29,360
Speaker 1: I guess that's how you pronounce it. I don't know

1886
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:32,559
Speaker 1: a better question for you than me. If Eryl Spence

1887
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:36,120
Speaker 1: wins against go to Denis Ugas, does he have a

1888
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:41,560
Speaker 1: case for number one pound for pound over Canelo Alvarezbc.

1889
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 2: At this moment? No, And I think, look, we were

1890
01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:47,960
Speaker 2: in a weird spot about three years ago where I

1891
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:49,800
Speaker 2: thought it was the most amount of boxers in the

1892
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:51,920
Speaker 2: top ten who had a case for number one pound

1893
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 2: for pound. It was five, maybe even six right before

1894
01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:59,840
Speaker 2: Lomachenk lost of Teyo Fimo. You had like fury oohsick

1895
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 2: wo Machenko, Crawford, Spence, a new way Canelo like you

1896
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:05,320
Speaker 2: had so many guys who could make a case for

1897
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:07,479
Speaker 2: a number one. It was like the most wide open

1898
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:10,360
Speaker 2: I've ever seen the power for pound debate. Canelo has

1899
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:13,519
Speaker 2: closed that debate with what he's done with go moving

1900
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:16,040
Speaker 2: up and knocking out Kovalev, with you know, becoming the

1901
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:18,799
Speaker 2: underspeeded champion at one sixty eight, which with taking on everybody,

1902
01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 2: every style and doing it. I don't think Spence can

1903
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:23,759
Speaker 2: do that. If Spence beats Terrence Crawford for all four belts,

1904
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 2: which should be the next fight and could be the

1905
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:28,680
Speaker 2: next fight, if he beats two guys, then that's a

1906
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:31,559
Speaker 2: different story, Luke, because what Aero Spence does have going

1907
01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:34,680
Speaker 2: for him, despite the time he's missed because of the

1908
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:37,840
Speaker 2: accident and now the eye surgery. Is in a welterweight

1909
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:39,960
Speaker 2: era where we can't get the best to fight the

1910
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:42,880
Speaker 2: best enough, He's fought everybody he possibly could, and he's

1911
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:45,640
Speaker 2: beating them right from Sean Porter to Mikey Garcia to

1912
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:48,400
Speaker 2: Danny Garcia. I mean, he's just, you know, one after

1913
01:29:48,479 --> 01:29:51,160
Speaker 2: another showing you how great he actually is. If he

1914
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:53,720
Speaker 2: beats Terrence Crawford and becomes the welterweight of this era,

1915
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:56,080
Speaker 2: there's a debate there with Canalo.

1916
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:58,880
Speaker 1: But we're not there yet, all right, Yeah, I don't know.

1917
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the ranking. ESPN has to understand that

1918
01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:05,679
Speaker 1: there might be you know, intentional or otherwise, there could

1919
01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:07,519
Speaker 1: be some top rank bias. Here's why I bring it up.

1920
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:10,280
Speaker 1: This is from December, so it's not the most current one.

1921
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:11,800
Speaker 1: Maybe you could shift it around a little bit. But

1922
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:15,040
Speaker 1: they've got Canelo at number one. Fair. Two they have

1923
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:19,120
Speaker 1: Terrence Crawford three, Noia in a way the Monster who

1924
01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:24,120
Speaker 1: of course has the the rematch against Donair. Donair coming up,

1925
01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:28,640
Speaker 1: who Usik who may be rematching Joshua. We'll see how

1926
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:32,639
Speaker 1: that goes. Five they have Fury six. They have Spence seven,

1927
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:36,880
Speaker 1: Taylor eight, Lomachenko nine, Estrata ten, Gervante. I think that's

1928
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:38,760
Speaker 1: sixth placement. That feels a little low.

1929
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:41,920
Speaker 2: No, I believe I have Spence at two. I've previously

1930
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:45,040
Speaker 2: had him at three. Him in a way of switch spots. Look,

1931
01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:47,599
Speaker 2: if you have Crawford above those, it's not a crime.

1932
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:50,160
Speaker 2: If you have Crawford even looked to be fair. If

1933
01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:52,360
Speaker 2: you made a hipster case for Crawford at number one,

1934
01:30:52,479 --> 01:30:55,720
Speaker 2: because he's just so dominantly ahead of the field, it's

1935
01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:58,720
Speaker 2: a hipstercase. I don't think it's right. But when I

1936
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:01,439
Speaker 2: put Spence and Crawford together, I have to lean on

1937
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:04,160
Speaker 2: what Spence has done at welcherweight and what Crawford hasn't

1938
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:07,519
Speaker 2: due to the availability of opponents. But as Crawford looked

1939
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:11,360
Speaker 2: more spectacular and dynamic at times. Yes, but you have

1940
01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:13,479
Speaker 2: to wonder sometimes is that the matchmaking or is that

1941
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:15,439
Speaker 2: the dog inside them? Hey? You know the best way

1942
01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:18,439
Speaker 2: to fix that, luke to them finally fight each other.

1943
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:20,519
Speaker 2: Okay for all four belts please, but you know you

1944
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:23,360
Speaker 2: guys has a chance to upset that conversation completely.

1945
01:31:23,439 --> 01:31:26,040
Speaker 1: And also you know keep okay, let me ask you this, Okay,

1946
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:27,200
Speaker 1: we I don't know if we're ever going to get

1947
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:30,000
Speaker 1: Spence versus Crawford, but let's say let's say let's say

1948
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:33,240
Speaker 1: Crawford science PBC. Spence not only beats ugas but looks

1949
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:35,479
Speaker 1: really good doing it, like typical Spence or whatever that

1950
01:31:35,560 --> 01:31:39,559
Speaker 1: means for you, would the winner of Spence Crawford if

1951
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:41,200
Speaker 1: they fought, have a claim at number one.

1952
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:44,240
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I just I just told you that that would

1953
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:47,280
Speaker 2: be a different conversation. Absolutely anytime, Like.

1954
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:49,240
Speaker 1: I guess I miss a missage point. Sorry, about that.

1955
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:52,160
Speaker 2: Anytime two of the top four pound for pound fighters

1956
01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:53,960
Speaker 2: are fighting each other at the same time, Yeah, you

1957
01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:55,840
Speaker 2: beat another guy in the top three or four, you

1958
01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:58,880
Speaker 2: make the leap, you know, and it's it's so rare

1959
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:00,439
Speaker 2: when you can do that. By the way, let's not

1960
01:32:00,479 --> 01:32:02,680
Speaker 2: forget when Andre Ward and Sergey Kovalev fought a couple

1961
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:04,200
Speaker 2: years back in their first fight, they were both right

1962
01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:06,679
Speaker 2: there in the top three pound for pound. When Manny

1963
01:32:06,720 --> 01:32:09,760
Speaker 2: Paciallen in Mayweather fought, it was one versus two. But

1964
01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:13,160
Speaker 2: it's rare, you get that. But Luke, I think we're

1965
01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:15,600
Speaker 2: gonna see Crawford versus the winner of this next I

1966
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:17,479
Speaker 2: really do. I think we're at that mall. Okay, if

1967
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:20,519
Speaker 2: it's ugas, are we more likely that Keith Thurman slides

1968
01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:24,400
Speaker 2: in maybe given the PBC control. But if Errol Spence

1969
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:27,960
Speaker 2: wins April sixteenth, I'm the most confident we've ever been

1970
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:30,840
Speaker 2: that they make the fight happen because Terrence Crawford has

1971
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:33,920
Speaker 2: nowhere else to go, because the comments from Spence this

1972
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:35,920
Speaker 2: week and his media days and stuff is saying, look,

1973
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:37,360
Speaker 2: that's the fight I want next. It's the fight we're

1974
01:32:37,400 --> 01:32:40,439
Speaker 2: going after. There's no other reason this is not happening, right,

1975
01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:43,920
Speaker 2: And even Derek James, who I interviewed on our show, said, look,

1976
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:45,880
Speaker 2: I want this fight more than anybody, But don't you

1977
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:48,719
Speaker 2: agree this fight makes the most sense because we've waited

1978
01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:51,640
Speaker 2: long enough already to wait until all four belts can

1979
01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:54,519
Speaker 2: fight each other. Yes, I agree, next step Ugas, We'll

1980
01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:55,400
Speaker 2: see what happens after that.

1981
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:59,400
Speaker 1: All right? From a Doug's one two three, I agree

1982
01:32:59,439 --> 01:33:02,680
Speaker 1: with this person. The Gilbert Burns interview was fantastic. Can

1983
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:05,200
Speaker 1: all fighter interviews be in person from now on?

1984
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:09,920
Speaker 2: Brian Campbell, that's our That's okay, all fighter interviews. No,

1985
01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:13,559
Speaker 2: there are times when, for you know, journalistic populate this show,

1986
01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:16,519
Speaker 2: populate stories on our website. If we get fifteen minutes

1987
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:19,320
Speaker 2: with somebody in a in a you know, in a

1988
01:33:19,439 --> 01:33:22,240
Speaker 2: rotated instead of you're gonna take it right, we got Volcanoski.

1989
01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:24,040
Speaker 2: Think we're gonna turn down fifteen to twenty minutes with

1990
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:26,920
Speaker 2: Volcanoski over zoom. No, But Luke, behind the scenes of

1991
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:30,400
Speaker 2: Morning Combat, with all the momentum we have from sponsorships

1992
01:33:30,439 --> 01:33:33,680
Speaker 2: to awards, are we in the process of ramping up

1993
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:37,519
Speaker 2: our interview game? Damn fucking right, we are we're coming

1994
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:39,880
Speaker 2: on though. We're coming on, okay, so.

1995
01:33:40,200 --> 01:33:42,120
Speaker 1: You know, we can't share a lot of details, but

1996
01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:46,559
Speaker 1: suffice to say that our bosses saw the Gilbert Burns

1997
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:49,760
Speaker 1: interview and everyone is very happy with the results of it,

1998
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:52,160
Speaker 1: including us, Like we enjoyed doing it and it turned

1999
01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:55,679
Speaker 1: out great. Yeah, you should expect. I mean every time

2000
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:56,080
Speaker 1: b see.

2001
01:33:56,160 --> 01:33:56,200
Speaker 2: No.

2002
01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:58,519
Speaker 1: I did the Volkanowski one on Friday over zoom, which

2003
01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:00,680
Speaker 1: you know is fine but not my prefer but will

2004
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:04,519
Speaker 1: you see more in person interviews? Good? I would say

2005
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:07,439
Speaker 1: that the Meteorological Forecast BC looks Sonny.

2006
01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:10,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, all of the other MMA shows come

2007
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:12,960
Speaker 2: and take a listen, try talking trash and we come

2008
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:14,800
Speaker 2: with our Smith and Wesson. Luke, Okay, you know what

2009
01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:17,519
Speaker 2: I mean. We're absolutely coming on right now. If you

2010
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:21,240
Speaker 2: guys didn't notice, if Harold Howard has never entered your databanks,

2011
01:34:21,439 --> 01:34:23,720
Speaker 2: and I think we've got the momentum mixed with the

2012
01:34:25,240 --> 01:34:28,720
Speaker 2: deep pockets in the confidence of those above us that yeah,

2013
01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:30,640
Speaker 2: all right, Luke, Hey, you want to fly to New

2014
01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:32,479
Speaker 2: Zealand and talk to out Asna. Look, I can try

2015
01:34:32,479 --> 01:34:33,479
Speaker 2: to make that happen behind the scenes.

2016
01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:37,760
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, My goal is still I've told Showtime this

2017
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:39,640
Speaker 1: and they kind of balked on my idea. But this

2018
01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:41,360
Speaker 1: is my idea, and I've told everyone this before. I've

2019
01:34:41,400 --> 01:34:42,680
Speaker 1: told a story in a number of times. So just

2020
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:45,400
Speaker 1: I'll make the cliff notes condensed version. I one time

2021
01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:47,639
Speaker 1: went to Panama to visit some of my wife's relatives,

2022
01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:52,000
Speaker 1: and there's a restaurant in Panama City, Panama, run by

2023
01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:54,960
Speaker 1: Roberto Duran. In fact, it's called Duran's. The food at

2024
01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:58,760
Speaker 1: this place is terrible. It's a borderline inedible. However, that's

2025
01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:01,519
Speaker 1: not why you go. Why you go is because number

2026
01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:04,719
Speaker 1: for two reasons. One, it's a monument to all things

2027
01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:07,640
Speaker 1: Roberto Duran. I mean, it's got newspapers when he was on,

2028
01:35:08,240 --> 01:35:10,120
Speaker 1: you know, at the front page, and like there's a

2029
01:35:10,200 --> 01:35:12,000
Speaker 1: highlight reel on all these TVs of all of his

2030
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:15,840
Speaker 1: biggest hits and his belts and trunks. I mean, if

2031
01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:18,320
Speaker 1: you're a Roberto Duran diehard and you've not been to

2032
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:20,439
Speaker 1: his restaurant, you're just missing out on everything. But the

2033
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:23,439
Speaker 1: bigger point is that he's there all the time, singing

2034
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:25,519
Speaker 1: karaoke with people. You can just go and do it.

2035
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:28,200
Speaker 1: It's not hard to see him. So I pitched Showtime

2036
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:31,919
Speaker 1: on sending me NBC to Panama to go sing karaoke

2037
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:34,679
Speaker 1: with Roberto Duran, and they did not seem very moved

2038
01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:37,760
Speaker 1: by by my id. NBC. But I think it'd be

2039
01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:38,160
Speaker 1: a winner.

2040
01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:40,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you. We should recreate

2041
01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:43,240
Speaker 2: the movie Salvador with James Woods and hop in a

2042
01:35:43,320 --> 01:35:46,640
Speaker 2: car and just drive there. Luke, Okay, I don't know.

2043
01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:49,599
Speaker 1: If you can do that, But all right, at Adam

2044
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:53,759
Speaker 1: Underscore Chambers ninety, What current show are you guys watching?

2045
01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:55,439
Speaker 1: What about UBC? What do you watch?

2046
01:35:55,520 --> 01:35:55,680
Speaker 6: Him?

2047
01:35:56,439 --> 01:35:57,680
Speaker 2: Okay? Good, great question. Great.

2048
01:35:58,040 --> 01:36:02,120
Speaker 1: Besides Red Tube, I'm in love.

2049
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:05,639
Speaker 2: With the with the forty something drama called A Million

2050
01:36:05,680 --> 01:36:09,120
Speaker 2: Little Things on ABC, which is uh which has taken

2051
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:11,559
Speaker 2: different shape a little bit. My wife and I watched

2052
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:13,799
Speaker 2: that together. Look, I watch a lot of All American

2053
01:36:13,880 --> 01:36:14,439
Speaker 2: on the CW.

2054
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:15,080
Speaker 1: Do you watch that?

2055
01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:17,760
Speaker 2: That show and the spinoff All I donreaven know what

2056
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:21,360
Speaker 2: that is. It's about a high school football star trying

2057
01:36:21,439 --> 01:36:24,080
Speaker 2: to leave the ghetto and make the you know, college

2058
01:36:24,200 --> 01:36:27,639
Speaker 2: dreams and pros come true. You know I don't tend

2059
01:36:27,720 --> 01:36:29,760
Speaker 2: to Oh, sorry, the Big the Big Ones, look, the

2060
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:33,839
Speaker 2: Big Ones, marvelous Miss Mazel, Missus Mazel. The four seasons

2061
01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:36,600
Speaker 2: finally coming back around a little bit. Everyone's waiting for

2062
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:38,479
Speaker 2: the second half of season four of Ozark, which is

2063
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:39,400
Speaker 2: a little bit coming.

2064
01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:40,040
Speaker 5: You know.

2065
01:36:40,120 --> 01:36:43,479
Speaker 2: I love me some Mandalorian, but those are my big hits. Luke,

2066
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:46,240
Speaker 2: what are you into? You're probably into something trashy as shit.

2067
01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:47,000
Speaker 4: No.

2068
01:36:47,320 --> 01:36:49,240
Speaker 1: The only one I really have time for given anything

2069
01:36:49,240 --> 01:36:52,240
Speaker 1: i'm working on, is I just started. I literally wasn't

2070
01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:55,240
Speaker 1: watching any show up until this weekend. That's a true statement.

2071
01:36:55,760 --> 01:36:57,360
Speaker 1: But I started. It's only one episode out, but I

2072
01:36:57,400 --> 01:36:59,240
Speaker 1: started Moonnight on Disney Plus.

2073
01:36:59,760 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2074
01:37:01,120 --> 01:37:03,200
Speaker 1: First episode was good. I mean a little bit weird,

2075
01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:05,600
Speaker 1: a little bit weird. But first episode, oh, you know what,

2076
01:37:05,720 --> 01:37:07,880
Speaker 1: that's not true. I'm lying. Sorry. I did start one more.

2077
01:37:07,920 --> 01:37:11,120
Speaker 1: On Friday night. I started Peacemaker on HBO Max with

2078
01:37:11,200 --> 01:37:15,280
Speaker 1: John Cena. Very good. The guy who made that is

2079
01:37:15,280 --> 01:37:16,760
Speaker 1: the guy who makes Guardians of the Galaxy, and he

2080
01:37:16,840 --> 01:37:19,320
Speaker 1: made the last suicide Squad, not the bad suicide squad,

2081
01:37:19,640 --> 01:37:23,080
Speaker 1: James Gunn. John Cena is really good in it. The

2082
01:37:23,160 --> 01:37:26,280
Speaker 1: show's pretty funny. I'm only three episodes in.

2083
01:37:26,439 --> 01:37:26,760
Speaker 3: But it was.

2084
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:29,559
Speaker 2: It was fun little watch, all right, And I'm waiting

2085
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:32,160
Speaker 2: for Ted Lasso to come back on Apple Plus, like everybody, look,

2086
01:37:32,200 --> 01:37:34,040
Speaker 2: oh did you watch on Apple Plus? Luke The damn

2087
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:37,000
Speaker 2: The Morning Show with Jennifer Aniston.

2088
01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:39,639
Speaker 1: I've not seen a single moment of any program really

2089
01:37:39,680 --> 01:37:40,840
Speaker 1: good Apple Plus. It's good.

2090
01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:43,240
Speaker 2: Oh it's really really damn good. And they got a

2091
01:37:43,280 --> 01:37:45,320
Speaker 2: new one now with Jared Leto playing the guy from

2092
01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:47,160
Speaker 2: We Work. It's fantastic, Luke.

2093
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:52,360
Speaker 1: All right, Okay, last, but not least is at cool.

2094
01:37:52,680 --> 01:37:55,559
Speaker 1: I think it's double underscore, Mike. That's when you really

2095
01:37:55,640 --> 01:37:59,160
Speaker 1: know they mean business. Hey, Luke, how do I get

2096
01:37:59,200 --> 01:38:03,320
Speaker 1: my wife to stuff calling me BC during times of intimacy?

2097
01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:04,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, like, maybe please her?

2098
01:38:06,040 --> 01:38:10,240
Speaker 2: Well, Luke, this the effects of BDE. It has secondhand

2099
01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:12,479
Speaker 2: smoke effects. Luke. Okay, you know what I mean. It

2100
01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:14,599
Speaker 2: just you know, the thing is like your wifes won't

2101
01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:17,400
Speaker 2: want you, they'll want more BC. So you know I'm

2102
01:38:17,400 --> 01:38:20,000
Speaker 2: a I'm a one man woman, Luke. So, uh, you know,

2103
01:38:20,120 --> 01:38:21,960
Speaker 2: clean up your marriage bed people. Okay, please?

2104
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:25,120
Speaker 1: All right? Well with that raunchy question, we now moved

2105
01:38:25,160 --> 01:38:28,000
Speaker 1: to BC and frankly, maybe one of my favorite segments

2106
01:38:28,040 --> 01:38:30,720
Speaker 1: of the show, It's time for your ship BC.

2107
01:38:31,479 --> 01:38:31,639
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2108
01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:33,639
Speaker 2: So here's the deal. We got a really good batch today.

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Speaker 1: Okay, are you talking big? You're talking real big.

2110
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:38,639
Speaker 2: I am talking big. We'll see what happens. We scared

2111
01:38:38,680 --> 01:38:40,880
Speaker 2: the globe of the internet, the world highs Low's good, bad,

2112
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:43,960
Speaker 2: ugly in between the combat sports and beyond. Sometimes that

2113
01:38:44,040 --> 01:38:46,840
Speaker 2: beyond involves elder abuse and drunk chicks. It's called have

2114
01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:47,720
Speaker 2: you seen this ship?

2115
01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:49,519
Speaker 1: That's my favorite?

2116
01:38:51,080 --> 01:38:53,760
Speaker 2: Luke. We don't have We don't have a lot to

2117
01:38:53,880 --> 01:38:58,360
Speaker 2: react to, but some are already calling this the combat

2118
01:38:58,439 --> 01:39:01,920
Speaker 2: sports knockout of the Year for twenty twenty two, just

2119
01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:05,120
Speaker 2: four months in. It came from Cage Warriors over the weekend.

2120
01:39:05,160 --> 01:39:09,559
Speaker 2: We have two angles manny ocpon, Luke, have you seen

2121
01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:10,120
Speaker 2: this shit?

2122
01:39:10,600 --> 01:39:16,320
Speaker 1: I did? Dude, look at this stuff's it? And then bop?

2123
01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:19,160
Speaker 2: Oh man, dude, what do you even call that?

2124
01:39:20,040 --> 01:39:21,840
Speaker 1: It looks like some kind of cap awaera kick or

2125
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:24,080
Speaker 1: a spinning heel kick. He just kind of balances on

2126
01:39:24,160 --> 01:39:25,479
Speaker 1: his hand. I don't know. You'd have to ask a

2127
01:39:25,560 --> 01:39:28,360
Speaker 1: taekwondo expert who might know better. But it's the same

2128
01:39:28,479 --> 01:39:31,599
Speaker 1: principle that a lot of guys, including McGregor use. They

2129
01:39:31,960 --> 01:39:34,000
Speaker 1: stand to their left and they want to get you.

2130
01:39:34,120 --> 01:39:35,320
Speaker 1: A lot of people want to get away from his

2131
01:39:35,400 --> 01:39:37,200
Speaker 1: left so they move away from it. But as they

2132
01:39:37,240 --> 01:39:39,360
Speaker 1: move away from it, he just does a shot. Catt

2133
01:39:39,439 --> 01:39:41,680
Speaker 1: Rockmano does it too. They do a spinning back kick

2134
01:39:41,800 --> 01:39:43,840
Speaker 1: or a turning back kick into the direction they're moving

2135
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:46,680
Speaker 1: away from their power hand. He was moving away from

2136
01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:48,519
Speaker 1: the guy's powerhand. I think that's why I have to

2137
01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:49,680
Speaker 1: go back and look. But it seemed like it was

2138
01:39:49,680 --> 01:39:51,760
Speaker 1: a similar thing, so he just whipped around and caught it.

2139
01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:54,120
Speaker 1: But the accuracy of that and the timing of that is.

2140
01:39:54,360 --> 01:39:57,960
Speaker 2: Balance, dude, the balance to generate that power to be

2141
01:39:58,040 --> 01:40:00,760
Speaker 2: able to land that, the accuracy, I mean, it's dude,

2142
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:02,960
Speaker 2: that's a morning Mortal Kombat street fighter.

2143
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:04,800
Speaker 1: Move right there, right, Yeah, he moves away from the

2144
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:07,160
Speaker 1: powerhand and then just walks right into the kick. But

2145
01:40:07,479 --> 01:40:10,200
Speaker 1: the way he set that up is and the execution

2146
01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:11,680
Speaker 1: of it is crazy.

2147
01:40:11,800 --> 01:40:15,680
Speaker 2: Athletic Luke WrestleMania thirty eight hit Dallas, So I'm want

2148
01:40:15,680 --> 01:40:18,839
Speaker 2: to focus just on one man who had a impressive debut.

2149
01:40:19,320 --> 01:40:22,280
Speaker 2: Logan Paul teamed up with the Miz to take on

2150
01:40:22,479 --> 01:40:24,840
Speaker 2: Raymistereo and his son. I don't know if you saw

2151
01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:27,320
Speaker 2: this shit, but here's the big move, the big move

2152
01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:33,400
Speaker 2: Saul from Logan Paul. He's got the charisma, and then

2153
01:40:33,439 --> 01:40:36,240
Speaker 2: he hit it, Luke. He had a variety of high

2154
01:40:36,280 --> 01:40:38,400
Speaker 2: flying moves. Was he a little raw? Yeah, but for

2155
01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:41,400
Speaker 2: a celebrity dude, he looks like he could do this.

2156
01:40:41,560 --> 01:40:44,080
Speaker 2: And suddenly they had Jake Paul on the pre show

2157
01:40:44,120 --> 01:40:46,840
Speaker 2: on Sunday saying he wants to do this too. Luke,

2158
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:49,160
Speaker 2: they're kind of perfect physically and mentally for this.

2159
01:40:49,320 --> 01:40:51,720
Speaker 1: I really really yeah, they're actually I would say, I

2160
01:40:51,760 --> 01:40:53,439
Speaker 1: gotta say, in all honesty, I'm not doing a bit.

2161
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:56,240
Speaker 1: First of all, I mean, listen to this. The kids athletic.

2162
01:40:56,360 --> 01:41:00,000
Speaker 1: He is athletic, you know. Was he a world class athlete?

2163
01:41:00,120 --> 01:41:00,160
Speaker 2: No?

2164
01:41:00,200 --> 01:41:01,719
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's all that, but he's definitely

2165
01:41:01,720 --> 01:41:04,439
Speaker 1: a big, strong, athletic kid who trains hard and you know,

2166
01:41:04,520 --> 01:41:07,320
Speaker 1: probably puts a lot into it already. He's got that

2167
01:41:07,439 --> 01:41:12,120
Speaker 1: whole entertainment sort of outrageousness factor. He's able to work.

2168
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:15,719
Speaker 1: Then you marry that with some actual professional wrestling ability.

2169
01:41:16,479 --> 01:41:18,120
Speaker 1: He seems to me, I could be wrong. I don't

2170
01:41:18,120 --> 01:41:19,560
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know shit about professional wrestling. You

2171
01:41:19,560 --> 01:41:21,000
Speaker 1: guys will have to tell me but it seems to

2172
01:41:21,080 --> 01:41:23,040
Speaker 1: me he can go a lot further in that than

2173
01:41:23,080 --> 01:41:24,720
Speaker 1: he can in boxing. I mean, he can only do

2174
01:41:24,840 --> 01:41:26,800
Speaker 1: like a couple of like you know, weird things left

2175
01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:29,479
Speaker 1: that seems like they might have some real territory to mine.

2176
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:31,080
Speaker 2: I agree, and I don't have the tape to prove

2177
01:41:31,120 --> 01:41:32,720
Speaker 2: it because it was late late last night. But Pat

2178
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:36,480
Speaker 2: McAfee how to match Luke and dude, he's a legitimately

2179
01:41:37,120 --> 01:41:39,439
Speaker 2: can not only as a physically good wrestler, but gets

2180
01:41:39,479 --> 01:41:41,280
Speaker 2: the mental side. Dude, he might have gotten the biggest

2181
01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:43,479
Speaker 2: pop of the night, and that's like compared to Stone

2182
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:46,400
Speaker 2: Cold and a bunch of others, like they went ape

2183
01:41:46,400 --> 01:41:49,040
Speaker 2: shit for him. But here's a one lesson logan Paul

2184
01:41:49,120 --> 01:41:52,200
Speaker 2: does need to learn. And Luke in pro wrestling and

2185
01:41:52,360 --> 01:41:55,559
Speaker 2: Steve Austin talt to us many times, DTA brother don't

2186
01:41:55,680 --> 01:41:57,880
Speaker 2: trust anyway. Look at this Luke after the win the

2187
01:41:57,960 --> 01:41:59,759
Speaker 2: miss just just turning his back.

2188
01:41:59,640 --> 01:42:00,280
Speaker 1: On his partner.

2189
01:42:00,400 --> 01:42:04,000
Speaker 2: Luke oh skull crushing finale, Luke. I watched the two nights.

2190
01:42:04,120 --> 01:42:06,639
Speaker 2: You know, I can't watch wrestling anymore. It's largely bullshit.

2191
01:42:06,680 --> 01:42:08,840
Speaker 2: There was a bunch of feel good moments, but I

2192
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:10,559
Speaker 2: don't think it's I think I've grown up. I've grown

2193
01:42:10,600 --> 01:42:12,160
Speaker 2: out of it again, Luke. And I think you're gonna

2194
01:42:12,160 --> 01:42:13,479
Speaker 2: be happy about that. I think you are.

2195
01:42:13,880 --> 01:42:16,200
Speaker 1: I'm very happy about. The less we can talk about

2196
01:42:16,240 --> 01:42:16,760
Speaker 1: this the better.

2197
01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:19,799
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, let's go to boxing Luke in England

2198
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:22,760
Speaker 2: this week Savannah Marshall, one of the top five pound

2199
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:26,519
Speaker 2: for pound fighters and women's boxing, who's angling for about

2200
01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:29,960
Speaker 2: against Clorista Shields and they talk some heavy trash after Luke.

2201
01:42:30,280 --> 01:42:38,920
Speaker 2: Look at this ko against fom Key herman, Oh it's coming.

2202
01:42:39,960 --> 01:42:44,040
Speaker 1: Oh my lord, who Jesus that one?

2203
01:42:44,080 --> 01:42:44,760
Speaker 2: Tell me the truth?

2204
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:46,320
Speaker 1: Hit or quitter? You don't.

2205
01:42:46,520 --> 01:42:48,599
Speaker 2: You don't see that type of power in women's boxing.

2206
01:42:48,680 --> 01:42:50,120
Speaker 2: You don't, Luke, You really don't.

2207
01:42:50,160 --> 01:42:52,120
Speaker 1: Dude, you rarely see that. I mean, that's not you know,

2208
01:42:52,439 --> 01:42:54,080
Speaker 1: it's not unheard of our certainly in the men's game.

2209
01:42:54,120 --> 01:42:56,240
Speaker 1: But even men knock each other out like that is

2210
01:42:56,479 --> 01:42:59,240
Speaker 1: not so simple to do. That's she can thump man.

2211
01:42:59,280 --> 01:42:59,959
Speaker 1: That's ridiculous.

2212
01:43:00,439 --> 01:43:02,519
Speaker 2: Her and Shields have a lot of history. This could

2213
01:43:02,520 --> 01:43:04,599
Speaker 2: be a good, you know, feud that they're building towards

2214
01:43:04,640 --> 01:43:06,719
Speaker 2: in terms of a women's fight to get behind. Definitely,

2215
01:43:06,800 --> 01:43:08,920
Speaker 2: so good, good knock out there, Luke. We've got more

2216
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:10,920
Speaker 2: nominees for KOs of the week and they come from

2217
01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:13,080
Speaker 2: outside the cage in the ring. Let's go to the

2218
01:43:13,160 --> 01:43:20,800
Speaker 2: men's room for this one. Let's serve this guy cake.

2219
01:43:21,080 --> 01:43:23,280
Speaker 2: Oh your ole cake, Luke, look at that?

2220
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:26,720
Speaker 1: Wow, Yo, how did you lose? Uh? You only that

2221
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:29,200
Speaker 1: part that catches all the leftover urin Yo? I hit that.

2222
01:43:30,680 --> 01:43:32,400
Speaker 2: I got to pull this ball hair out of my

2223
01:43:32,479 --> 01:43:35,160
Speaker 2: teeth afterwards. Wow, Luke, he kicked off his shoe. You

2224
01:43:35,240 --> 01:43:36,880
Speaker 2: gotta tie loose shoes before the fight.

2225
01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:39,599
Speaker 1: I keep saying this. If you don't know how to fight,

2226
01:43:39,800 --> 01:43:41,840
Speaker 1: and ninety nine percent of you watching don't know how

2227
01:43:41,880 --> 01:43:45,040
Speaker 1: to fight, don't do it. Don't fucking do it. You're

2228
01:43:45,120 --> 01:43:48,040
Speaker 1: gonna take an l and have your face in a

2229
01:43:48,360 --> 01:43:50,280
Speaker 1: uh in, a pile of your or I should say

2230
01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:52,280
Speaker 1: a fucking pool of your in. So congratulations.

2231
01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:55,400
Speaker 2: More advice. If you are in your college dorm room

2232
01:43:55,560 --> 01:43:57,840
Speaker 2: and you get hella drunken high and suddenly you think

2233
01:43:57,840 --> 01:44:00,320
Speaker 2: you're tough and somebody's got two sets of boxing gloves

2234
01:44:00,320 --> 01:44:02,680
Speaker 2: and they go, let's have around, don't do it in

2235
01:44:02,760 --> 01:44:04,680
Speaker 2: this day and age of camera phone, Luke, or you're

2236
01:44:04,680 --> 01:44:07,880
Speaker 2: gonna look like this next guy. I mean, look, how

2237
01:44:07,960 --> 01:44:09,920
Speaker 2: tempting was it at William and Mary in the frat

2238
01:44:09,960 --> 01:44:14,000
Speaker 2: house to do shit like this. No, we wrestled because

2239
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:15,679
Speaker 2: you know, then you're gonna find somebody who can actually

2240
01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:17,519
Speaker 2: throw a punch, and then you're gonna be looking up.

2241
01:44:19,560 --> 01:44:21,599
Speaker 1: This guy has no concept of like, maybe I should

2242
01:44:21,600 --> 01:44:22,720
Speaker 1: put a glove next to my chin.

2243
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:25,280
Speaker 2: Ohh we're doing spinna shit.

2244
01:44:25,400 --> 01:44:28,479
Speaker 1: No wow, wow, Again, we just go back to the

2245
01:44:28,520 --> 01:44:32,479
Speaker 1: idea that the amount of board honkeys is just unbelievable.

2246
01:44:33,160 --> 01:44:34,000
Speaker 1: Look at these two.

2247
01:44:34,720 --> 01:44:37,120
Speaker 2: This is great. It's good form. Though on that spinner,

2248
01:44:37,200 --> 01:44:37,559
Speaker 2: I mean.

2249
01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:40,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not bad, I guess I mean for a

2250
01:44:40,080 --> 01:44:42,759
Speaker 1: dorm room. He definitely took the outside step correctly.

2251
01:44:44,320 --> 01:44:46,439
Speaker 2: Yeah wow, all right, let's keep it call, let's go

2252
01:44:46,479 --> 01:44:48,120
Speaker 2: to the track. Luke, a hell of a knockout on

2253
01:44:48,160 --> 01:44:49,000
Speaker 2: the track this week.

2254
01:44:49,720 --> 01:44:54,439
Speaker 1: You'd be surprised, bro, what the what happened?

2255
01:44:55,280 --> 01:44:57,320
Speaker 2: So these two were running to the finish line and

2256
01:44:57,400 --> 01:44:59,600
Speaker 2: this looks to be at least an eight hundred or

2257
01:44:59,640 --> 01:45:04,280
Speaker 2: a six hundred kilometer race, and the one guy came

2258
01:45:04,400 --> 01:45:06,160
Speaker 2: up behind the other. If we can see it again,

2259
01:45:09,200 --> 01:45:12,519
Speaker 2: is this some sort of crime of crime of fashion?

2260
01:45:12,600 --> 01:45:15,839
Speaker 1: Wow, rhyme of fashion that I hate crime? What is that? Jesus?

2261
01:45:16,439 --> 01:45:18,760
Speaker 2: That's assault? Brother? That shit ain't legal, I'll tell you

2262
01:45:18,840 --> 01:45:21,479
Speaker 2: that much. But UH love to hear the story. Hey, Luke,

2263
01:45:21,520 --> 01:45:23,200
Speaker 2: you ever try to play a prank on somebody who

2264
01:45:23,280 --> 01:45:25,680
Speaker 2: was just not willing and then got KOed for it?

2265
01:45:28,280 --> 01:45:31,800
Speaker 1: Definitely the first part not so much. Ooh yeah, dude.

2266
01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:35,120
Speaker 1: These little fucks who do this at home depot, Yeah,

2267
01:45:35,560 --> 01:45:37,960
Speaker 1: every time they get their ass beat, I never feel

2268
01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:38,639
Speaker 1: sorry for them.

2269
01:45:39,160 --> 01:45:42,280
Speaker 2: This guy probably a Vietnam vet, probably like you know, yeah,

2270
01:45:42,360 --> 01:45:44,320
Speaker 2: oh that. I mean, it doesn't matter who you are, Luke.

2271
01:45:44,360 --> 01:45:46,000
Speaker 2: That guy's taking you downtown. Look at that.

2272
01:45:46,479 --> 01:45:48,920
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean everything about his technique is terrible.

2273
01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:51,080
Speaker 1: But he is much larger than that little nerd.

2274
01:45:51,640 --> 01:45:51,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2275
01:45:51,960 --> 01:45:54,160
Speaker 1: And so when I see stuff like this happening, like

2276
01:45:54,240 --> 01:45:56,400
Speaker 1: someone getting their come uppings, I just keep moving. I'm like, yep,

2277
01:45:56,439 --> 01:45:58,200
Speaker 1: I'm off to Aisle fourteen. Y'all can have fun in

2278
01:45:58,200 --> 01:45:59,960
Speaker 1: Asle twelve. Have a good day.

2279
01:46:00,160 --> 01:46:02,320
Speaker 2: We often play sound of Mike Tyson on the show

2280
01:46:02,360 --> 01:46:04,559
Speaker 2: because he's because he fills the sound bite so well.

2281
01:46:04,600 --> 01:46:07,839
Speaker 2: Let's check out this discussion from the Hot Boxing podcast

2282
01:46:07,960 --> 01:46:10,240
Speaker 2: with with Jamal Charlow.

2283
01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:16,519
Speaker 7: And these fighters like Bena Vita, if you saw him

2284
01:46:16,520 --> 01:46:21,520
Speaker 7: out in public, if he was right there outside.

2285
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:27,800
Speaker 6: He'd be outside for show just in case you're not

2286
01:46:28,120 --> 01:46:30,080
Speaker 6: I'm not me and my brother not knowing for like

2287
01:46:30,320 --> 01:46:31,600
Speaker 6: you could just come up and just say what you

2288
01:46:31,680 --> 01:46:33,599
Speaker 6: want to say that you know me and my brother

2289
01:46:34,120 --> 01:46:35,760
Speaker 6: just you know, it's smooth, get away with it. It

2290
01:46:35,880 --> 01:46:39,679
Speaker 6: probably be a fight right there, like, but we ain't

2291
01:46:39,720 --> 01:46:41,960
Speaker 6: finna like you know, like talk about it to be like,

2292
01:46:43,040 --> 01:46:46,519
Speaker 6: I like that soon as you see that already.

2293
01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:54,120
Speaker 2: Look, you could tell from the line of his questioning,

2294
01:46:54,120 --> 01:46:56,040
Speaker 2: and I know we played sound from the same interview

2295
01:46:56,320 --> 01:46:59,400
Speaker 2: on a previous episode that Tyson's like scouting up Jamal,

2296
01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:01,760
Speaker 2: wondering if he's really about that life, wonder if he's

2297
01:47:01,760 --> 01:47:03,960
Speaker 2: really for real set up that question of okay, what

2298
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:05,880
Speaker 2: would happen if you saw him in person, and dude,

2299
01:47:05,920 --> 01:47:07,960
Speaker 2: he's just like, yeah, man, that's what I'm talking about.

2300
01:47:08,040 --> 01:47:10,280
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. That's some that's some lines

2301
01:47:10,320 --> 01:47:11,280
Speaker 2: only shit right there.

2302
01:47:11,200 --> 01:47:15,759
Speaker 1: Luke, he's like clearly instigating them and like borderline cheering

2303
01:47:15,880 --> 01:47:18,200
Speaker 1: himself for it. You and I could not get away

2304
01:47:18,240 --> 01:47:20,000
Speaker 1: with that. But old Iron Mike he can, he can

2305
01:47:20,120 --> 01:47:21,160
Speaker 1: ruffle a few feathers, you.

2306
01:47:21,160 --> 01:47:25,000
Speaker 2: Know, absolutely love to see the joy that that brought him. Uh,

2307
01:47:25,200 --> 01:47:27,679
Speaker 2: this brought potentially you and I a lot of joy.

2308
01:47:27,720 --> 01:47:29,240
Speaker 2: I can't tell you how many people DM me this

2309
01:47:29,400 --> 01:47:33,680
Speaker 2: sparring video from Att and Coconut Creek, Florida, Luke involving

2310
01:47:34,040 --> 01:47:38,439
Speaker 2: Yo Wanna Young j Chick and Valerie Larta. Luke iron

2311
01:47:38,560 --> 01:47:47,640
Speaker 2: sharpening iron here potentially there we go. This get you

2312
01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:52,880
Speaker 2: excited about these two fighters helping each other grow.

2313
01:47:52,800 --> 01:47:56,680
Speaker 1: Luke, not really. This seems like pretty straightforward sparring, and

2314
01:47:56,760 --> 01:47:58,800
Speaker 1: they look like they're doing things in particular for a

2315
01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:02,040
Speaker 1: very specific sparring related purpose rather than just outright going

2316
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:04,439
Speaker 1: like they're taking turns on purpose.

2317
01:48:05,240 --> 01:48:08,760
Speaker 2: Okay, Luke, Sorry, sorry, I thought this could interest you.

2318
01:48:08,840 --> 01:48:11,240
Speaker 2: I guess we'll move on. Hey, wholesome Video of the

2319
01:48:11,280 --> 01:48:14,880
Speaker 2: Week Luke. Dan Hooker finally has made it back to

2320
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:18,439
Speaker 2: his family down Under, reuniting with his daughter following the

2321
01:48:18,600 --> 01:48:27,120
Speaker 2: lengthy quarantines and extended training camps. I mean, Luke, you're

2322
01:48:27,160 --> 01:48:27,439
Speaker 2: a girl.

2323
01:48:27,560 --> 01:48:27,720
Speaker 4: Dad.

2324
01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:29,280
Speaker 2: This is just some good shit right here.

2325
01:48:29,600 --> 01:48:34,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the best. That's the best. There is nothing

2326
01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:35,960
Speaker 1: like that, let me tell.

2327
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:38,559
Speaker 2: You, Luke, I know it's been a rough stretch for Hooker,

2328
01:48:38,640 --> 01:48:42,000
Speaker 2: four or five losses against some very elite FO switching divisions,

2329
01:48:42,040 --> 01:48:44,080
Speaker 2: but this kind of puts all that in the rare view.

2330
01:48:44,160 --> 01:48:46,880
Speaker 1: Dude. Okay, yeah, man, well you know you have to

2331
01:48:46,920 --> 01:48:50,040
Speaker 1: think about your future. But God bless Dan Hooker, and

2332
01:48:50,240 --> 01:48:52,360
Speaker 1: I'm glad he's back with his family and just the

2333
01:48:52,400 --> 01:48:55,639
Speaker 1: amount of sacrifices that guy has made, Like, I really

2334
01:48:55,680 --> 01:48:57,080
Speaker 1: hope he can find a way to get back to

2335
01:48:57,120 --> 01:48:59,240
Speaker 1: winning because when it comes to like, did you cross

2336
01:48:59,439 --> 01:49:02,280
Speaker 1: every tea and dot every eye in terms of effort,

2337
01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:05,080
Speaker 1: he certainly has. In terms of what he is wanting

2338
01:49:05,120 --> 01:49:08,479
Speaker 1: to be sacrificed, he there's just no denying it. So

2339
01:49:08,680 --> 01:49:09,800
Speaker 1: there's a way to make it all work.

2340
01:49:10,640 --> 01:49:12,920
Speaker 2: Luke, we all know you were a lieutenant, marine sergeant

2341
01:49:13,000 --> 01:49:14,120
Speaker 2: or something like that, whatever that means.

2342
01:49:14,200 --> 01:49:17,680
Speaker 1: But is this that's a nonsensical description of nothing you.

2343
01:49:17,720 --> 01:49:20,880
Speaker 2: Are a lieutenant? Is this a standard operating procedure in

2344
01:49:20,960 --> 01:49:27,160
Speaker 2: the Marines, Luke? If you if you need a tripod

2345
01:49:27,240 --> 01:49:27,599
Speaker 2: for your.

2346
01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:30,600
Speaker 1: Goal, well I wouldn't call it standard operating procedure, but

2347
01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:33,720
Speaker 1: the grunts will do a lot of stupid shit with

2348
01:49:33,840 --> 01:49:34,160
Speaker 1: her time.

2349
01:49:34,280 --> 01:49:37,599
Speaker 2: That is for sure, true, okay, I was already any

2350
01:49:37,680 --> 01:49:40,559
Speaker 2: kickback on that that weapon right there, Luke, if there.

2351
01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:45,600
Speaker 1: Is, there's not much recoil on that, you know, But

2352
01:49:45,920 --> 01:49:50,120
Speaker 1: you know this is uh, you know, Marines, listen, let

2353
01:49:50,240 --> 01:49:52,200
Speaker 1: he who was without sindcast the first stone when it

2354
01:49:52,240 --> 01:49:54,880
Speaker 1: comes to doing incredibly stupid ship while in your marine

2355
01:49:54,880 --> 01:49:59,799
Speaker 1: corps time. This is this is merely among the pantheon

2356
01:49:59,880 --> 01:50:01,640
Speaker 1: of greater stupid things that we do.

2357
01:50:01,880 --> 01:50:04,439
Speaker 2: So all right, indeed, hey, let's go on to a

2358
01:50:04,640 --> 01:50:08,519
Speaker 2: huge week for Internet drinking sensation Ronnie Deutsch. Luke, you

2359
01:50:08,600 --> 01:50:10,880
Speaker 2: know this fella from New Hampshire. This guy can put

2360
01:50:10,920 --> 01:50:15,000
Speaker 2: it down him mixing your two favorite things, getting blasted

2361
01:50:15,080 --> 01:50:21,960
Speaker 2: and working out, Luke, is that a real pupil?

2362
01:50:22,520 --> 01:50:24,040
Speaker 1: That's a zero. He doesn't go down all the way.

2363
01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:28,080
Speaker 1: It's a zero. But I appreciate the effort At Instagram foolishness.

2364
01:50:29,240 --> 01:50:31,679
Speaker 2: Barstool has been picking up his videos a lot lately, Luke.

2365
01:50:31,680 --> 01:50:33,599
Speaker 2: They should just hire this guy, all right, right.

2366
01:50:33,640 --> 01:50:35,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, I don't know what anyone is

2367
01:50:35,520 --> 01:50:40,040
Speaker 1: waiting for. Look at this absolute glorious weirdo drinking beer

2368
01:50:40,200 --> 01:50:44,600
Speaker 1: in the least purposeful way imaginable, but yet Yeah, with

2369
01:50:44,720 --> 01:50:48,799
Speaker 1: all the same splendor of a peacock fully sixty five.

2370
01:50:48,720 --> 01:50:52,000
Speaker 2: Former I think D three basketball player, good old Ronnie Deutsch.

2371
01:50:52,280 --> 01:50:55,519
Speaker 2: Deutsch also took on the you know that that that

2372
01:50:55,720 --> 01:50:58,880
Speaker 2: contraption where they put six bottles of corona and you

2373
01:50:59,000 --> 01:50:59,759
Speaker 2: drink it at once.

2374
01:50:59,720 --> 01:51:02,560
Speaker 1: Luke, good We'll never see I've never seen this.

2375
01:51:02,840 --> 01:51:04,840
Speaker 2: Can we go full screen? First of all, this John

2376
01:51:04,880 --> 01:51:07,360
Speaker 2: c Riley tank top he's wearing is just next level.

2377
01:51:07,479 --> 01:51:11,000
Speaker 2: But dude, he just took down six brujas, Luke in

2378
01:51:11,080 --> 01:51:12,120
Speaker 2: about six seconds.

2379
01:51:14,640 --> 01:51:19,160
Speaker 1: Dude, that is why isn't he running for office so

2380
01:51:19,280 --> 01:51:22,040
Speaker 1: we can vote for him? I don't understand that before

2381
01:51:22,080 --> 01:51:22,599
Speaker 1: he dies?

2382
01:51:22,720 --> 01:51:25,280
Speaker 2: Can we make him famous and rich? At this point, Luke,

2383
01:51:25,360 --> 01:51:26,400
Speaker 2: this guy's incredible.

2384
01:51:26,920 --> 01:51:30,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's an American treasure. And if the Secret Service

2385
01:51:30,360 --> 01:51:32,160
Speaker 1: isn't already guarding him, we need to make sure that

2386
01:51:32,200 --> 01:51:32,400
Speaker 1: they do.

2387
01:51:33,200 --> 01:51:37,639
Speaker 2: All right, Lucas, time for rate that tat Will Smith edition. Yes,

2388
01:51:37,800 --> 01:51:40,479
Speaker 2: the slap herd around the world. Luke, let's go to

2389
01:51:40,560 --> 01:51:43,560
Speaker 2: this first one. Would you call this Prince Fresh or

2390
01:51:43,640 --> 01:51:44,120
Speaker 2: what here?

2391
01:51:47,120 --> 01:51:52,200
Speaker 1: That's that's okay, that's okay, okay, okay. The hand is

2392
01:51:52,200 --> 01:51:55,639
Speaker 1: a little weird. Some of the shading on the face

2393
01:51:55,760 --> 01:51:58,240
Speaker 1: is a little weird, but in general that's pretty good.

2394
01:51:58,360 --> 01:51:59,320
Speaker 1: That's pretty good, all right.

2395
01:52:00,000 --> 01:52:02,640
Speaker 2: Speaking of that slap, Luke, a lot of people memorializing

2396
01:52:02,680 --> 01:52:05,759
Speaker 2: it on their skin already. Your thoughts on the craftsmanship here.

2397
01:52:09,520 --> 01:52:15,960
Speaker 1: Can you blow? Okay, not a not a great tattoo,

2398
01:52:16,040 --> 01:52:19,160
Speaker 1: but not a terrible one all things considered.

2399
01:52:19,400 --> 01:52:23,120
Speaker 2: Uh, it looks very very mister, heboss to me, Luke, Yeah, I.

2400
01:52:23,120 --> 01:52:24,920
Speaker 1: Mean it's not great. It's it's I mean, it's bad,

2401
01:52:24,960 --> 01:52:27,160
Speaker 1: but it's kind of funny. Actually, it's kind of funny.

2402
01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:31,280
Speaker 2: And finally, Luke, we all love the Bad Boys movie franchise.

2403
01:52:31,360 --> 01:52:34,000
Speaker 2: But do you love it enough, Luke to put it

2404
01:52:34,120 --> 01:52:39,960
Speaker 2: on your thigh? Your thoughts on this choice? Can you

2405
01:52:40,080 --> 01:52:40,400
Speaker 2: zoom in?

2406
01:52:40,520 --> 01:52:44,040
Speaker 1: Gef Yeah, Well, the tattooing is just a lot of

2407
01:52:44,120 --> 01:52:46,920
Speaker 1: heavy black and gray. And that's a new tattoo. It

2408
01:52:46,960 --> 01:52:48,560
Speaker 1: looks like so well, I mean, I can't hard to

2409
01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:50,200
Speaker 1: tell how knew. It looks like it's a little new,

2410
01:52:50,240 --> 01:52:53,920
Speaker 1: which means it'll lighten up when it heals. In general,

2411
01:52:54,000 --> 01:52:58,560
Speaker 1: I would say that's a very strong tattoo, but I

2412
01:52:58,600 --> 01:53:01,080
Speaker 1: would not want that at all. I have to say, like,

2413
01:53:01,520 --> 01:53:03,839
Speaker 1: I'm not a and this is so common and tattooing

2414
01:53:03,880 --> 01:53:05,400
Speaker 1: to the point where I don't think people think much

2415
01:53:05,439 --> 01:53:08,160
Speaker 1: about it. I don't really love the idea of getting

2416
01:53:08,200 --> 01:53:10,680
Speaker 1: a bunch of faces on your body. I actually find

2417
01:53:10,720 --> 01:53:12,880
Speaker 1: it a little bit creepy. But people love it. They

2418
01:53:12,920 --> 01:53:14,080
Speaker 1: love getting faces on there.

2419
01:53:14,200 --> 01:53:17,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, here you go, Damien the donk, he likes

2420
01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:19,080
Speaker 2: getting little girls hung on his chest.

2421
01:53:19,200 --> 01:53:22,280
Speaker 1: Luke, that's well, if you remember correctly, the hair on

2422
01:53:22,439 --> 01:53:25,080
Speaker 1: her hanged body from her head was covering her face,

2423
01:53:25,320 --> 01:53:27,160
Speaker 1: so a little bit different.

2424
01:53:27,200 --> 01:53:31,599
Speaker 2: I guess now boarding row aid of delta, Luke, let's

2425
01:53:31,640 --> 01:53:33,600
Speaker 2: go to the uh. I guess they call this a

2426
01:53:33,840 --> 01:53:38,560
Speaker 2: vacuum bong. Look either way, this is probably what you

2427
01:53:38,600 --> 01:53:39,519
Speaker 2: should be doing right now.

2428
01:53:39,720 --> 01:53:42,920
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Jesus, take the wheel and take me

2429
01:53:43,080 --> 01:53:45,440
Speaker 1: away forever.

2430
01:53:47,200 --> 01:53:48,760
Speaker 2: I don't see how you come out of that in

2431
01:53:48,840 --> 01:53:49,320
Speaker 2: one piece?

2432
01:53:49,439 --> 01:53:50,439
Speaker 1: Is that a child right there?

2433
01:53:50,439 --> 01:53:50,760
Speaker 3: What is it?

2434
01:53:50,840 --> 01:53:51,040
Speaker 2: Due?

2435
01:53:51,040 --> 01:53:53,479
Speaker 1: Everyone's like you got to go to Peru and then,

2436
01:53:53,720 --> 01:53:58,960
Speaker 1: you know, go into the mountains and have a shaman

2437
01:53:59,080 --> 01:54:01,479
Speaker 1: and do a bunch of stuff. No, man, you don't

2438
01:54:01,520 --> 01:54:04,760
Speaker 1: need any of that. You just need a few engineering

2439
01:54:04,920 --> 01:54:08,760
Speaker 1: potheads and one of these and it will take you

2440
01:54:08,800 --> 01:54:10,000
Speaker 1: to the exact same place.

2441
01:54:10,760 --> 01:54:10,960
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2442
01:54:11,880 --> 01:54:15,280
Speaker 2: Wow, let's go on to our next related item. I

2443
01:54:15,320 --> 01:54:17,640
Speaker 2: think they call this the human hookah, Luke, could you

2444
01:54:17,840 --> 01:54:21,280
Speaker 2: survive this? Full rip? This is what you do if

2445
01:54:21,280 --> 01:54:23,840
Speaker 2: you have a lot of friends and a lot of weed, Luke. Okay,

2446
01:54:24,280 --> 01:54:26,760
Speaker 2: you get together, you make the human hookah. But I

2447
01:54:26,800 --> 01:54:28,200
Speaker 2: don't know if you're surviving.

2448
01:54:27,880 --> 01:54:36,080
Speaker 1: This, Luke. So is this what they do on January seventh?

2449
01:54:36,880 --> 01:54:40,120
Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, yes, how they come down? Luke? Wow, dude,

2450
01:54:40,120 --> 01:54:42,200
Speaker 2: that guy must be so high underneath that.

2451
01:54:42,440 --> 01:54:45,840
Speaker 1: Like, just I don't understand why we can't do this.

2452
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:49,120
Speaker 1: Will someone please help me figure out a way to

2453
01:54:49,200 --> 01:54:52,040
Speaker 1: go do this somewhere. I'm dying to do.

2454
01:54:52,120 --> 01:54:56,040
Speaker 2: It, Luke. If peeing your pants is cool, call me

2455
01:54:56,680 --> 01:54:59,240
Speaker 2: ty tu ivasa. Apparently, let's go to this video.

2456
01:55:02,560 --> 01:55:07,480
Speaker 7: Firstly on a shout out to my people from the area, Panther,

2457
01:55:11,480 --> 01:55:13,320
Speaker 7: and also I want to let you know everyone I

2458
01:55:13,440 --> 01:55:22,160
Speaker 7: woke up the bed, everyone's pissed the bed before and

2459
01:55:22,360 --> 01:55:27,280
Speaker 7: shy ft we keep on going the penny Panthers.

2460
01:55:37,120 --> 01:55:38,880
Speaker 2: I mean, that's not exactly Miles Davis.

2461
01:55:38,960 --> 01:55:39,160
Speaker 5: Luke.

2462
01:55:39,360 --> 01:55:42,320
Speaker 2: Uh, maybe we could get him in training camp.

2463
01:55:42,520 --> 01:55:47,360
Speaker 1: I mean, why do we do say this? First of all, again,

2464
01:55:47,400 --> 01:55:49,200
Speaker 1: I'm not going to give any details, But let he

2465
01:55:49,400 --> 01:55:52,880
Speaker 1: who is without pissing in someone's bed cast the first stone.

2466
01:55:54,600 --> 01:55:56,720
Speaker 1: What I will say is what I will say is

2467
01:55:56,800 --> 01:55:59,000
Speaker 1: the thing I took from this was my man was

2468
01:55:59,120 --> 01:56:01,800
Speaker 1: up in the morning drinking It looked like champagne right

2469
01:56:01,840 --> 01:56:03,760
Speaker 1: out of the bottle. I have to tell you, you

2470
01:56:03,880 --> 01:56:06,400
Speaker 1: want to get the worst hangover that the human body

2471
01:56:06,440 --> 01:56:09,840
Speaker 1: can experience, drink champagne to get there. You know, you

2472
01:56:09,920 --> 01:56:12,520
Speaker 1: can have a glass or two or whatever. Dude, I

2473
01:56:12,560 --> 01:56:15,080
Speaker 1: want time, Softfiternian brother drink three of those, like back

2474
01:56:15,120 --> 01:56:16,880
Speaker 1: to back to back, like you would a beer, you know.

2475
01:56:17,640 --> 01:56:19,600
Speaker 1: And that man, I mean, I can't even tell you

2476
01:56:19,680 --> 01:56:21,720
Speaker 1: the level of pain and discomfort I watched him go

2477
01:56:21,800 --> 01:56:23,800
Speaker 1: through as a consequence of that. So and that was

2478
01:56:23,840 --> 01:56:24,440
Speaker 1: by ten am.

2479
01:56:24,720 --> 01:56:28,919
Speaker 2: Look, so I love tied to ivasa posting party videos

2480
01:56:29,000 --> 01:56:31,400
Speaker 2: drinking out of shoes. But you know this is a

2481
01:56:31,440 --> 01:56:34,200
Speaker 2: little too cool, little too little TMI here, Luke, Okay.

2482
01:56:35,400 --> 01:56:38,360
Speaker 1: Listen, let he who is without urinating in someone's bed

2483
01:56:38,520 --> 01:56:39,480
Speaker 1: WT say it one more time.

2484
01:56:40,000 --> 01:56:41,800
Speaker 2: I don't know if I put that on social media though.

2485
01:56:41,880 --> 01:56:43,720
Speaker 2: Let's keep it going though, Hey, Luke, I got one

2486
01:56:43,800 --> 01:56:47,160
Speaker 2: more wholesome video for you. Check out this bear just

2487
01:56:47,360 --> 01:56:49,680
Speaker 2: joining the group of friends and acting like he belongs.

2488
01:56:54,960 --> 01:56:58,200
Speaker 2: Oh snap, he's like over here, over here, I'll be

2489
01:56:58,280 --> 01:56:58,680
Speaker 2: your friend.

2490
01:56:59,760 --> 01:57:01,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, everyone like, oh, you know what, bears

2491
01:57:01,600 --> 01:57:03,200
Speaker 1: are our friend. And then you go over there thinking

2492
01:57:03,240 --> 01:57:05,400
Speaker 1: you're mobile from the Jungle Book and they fucking rip

2493
01:57:05,480 --> 01:57:07,640
Speaker 1: your head off and feed that shit to the little cub.

2494
01:57:07,640 --> 01:57:10,040
Speaker 2: Caught that you ever been at Holbachi and they throw

2495
01:57:10,400 --> 01:57:12,520
Speaker 2: the vegetable at you. Look he caught that first time.

2496
01:57:12,960 --> 01:57:15,120
Speaker 1: Do you know I've never done that. I've never done that.

2497
01:57:16,080 --> 01:57:18,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're missing out, Luca.

2498
01:57:18,840 --> 01:57:21,200
Speaker 1: No, everyone raves about it. I've never done it.

2499
01:57:21,840 --> 01:57:24,280
Speaker 2: All right, are you ready for some football a Monday

2500
01:57:24,320 --> 01:57:26,800
Speaker 2: night party, Luke? We got Frank and Allen Dan. Let's

2501
01:57:26,800 --> 01:57:28,600
Speaker 2: go to the h Oh. They're bringing out the field

2502
01:57:28,640 --> 01:57:37,040
Speaker 2: goal team. Can we go full on these gas? We

2503
01:57:37,080 --> 01:57:38,280
Speaker 2: got to be able to see what's happening.

2504
01:57:40,520 --> 01:57:41,560
Speaker 1: I love spring Break.

2505
01:57:42,960 --> 01:57:44,680
Speaker 2: That's a chick. They just hit right in the face,

2506
01:57:44,760 --> 01:57:47,520
Speaker 2: Luke in the face. Okay, Okay, you know, maybe I

2507
01:57:47,640 --> 01:57:49,800
Speaker 2: oversold these, Luca. I had a lot of momentum coming

2508
01:57:49,800 --> 01:57:51,760
Speaker 2: into the segment, but it feels like a one flat

2509
01:57:51,800 --> 01:57:54,760
Speaker 2: tire after another. Let's go, let's go out to the

2510
01:57:54,800 --> 01:57:57,280
Speaker 2: field here, Luke at the pitch, it's footy. Time for

2511
01:57:57,360 --> 01:58:00,120
Speaker 2: the team picture. But check out number sixty nine and

2512
01:58:00,520 --> 01:58:03,240
Speaker 2: trying to join as a drunken fan. This is great ship.

2513
01:58:13,920 --> 01:58:19,280
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's an open field tackle right there.

2514
01:58:19,960 --> 01:58:22,480
Speaker 1: That's like Xenadine Zadan hit him? Who who's the guy

2515
01:58:22,600 --> 01:58:23,160
Speaker 1: running across?

2516
01:58:26,040 --> 01:58:29,360
Speaker 2: Speaking of getting run over though, Luke, though this isn't

2517
01:58:29,400 --> 01:58:31,320
Speaker 2: face as of death, but check out how tough this

2518
01:58:31,480 --> 01:58:31,840
Speaker 2: guy is.

2519
01:58:33,760 --> 01:58:35,600
Speaker 1: Are we about to witness a homicide or some ship?

2520
01:58:36,640 --> 01:58:36,840
Speaker 3: Oh?

2521
01:58:37,400 --> 01:58:38,560
Speaker 1: Oh fuck me?

2522
01:58:39,560 --> 01:58:40,320
Speaker 3: Oh shit?

2523
01:58:42,200 --> 01:58:45,560
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So remember the morning you played the Hasslehoff

2524
01:58:45,640 --> 01:58:48,480
Speaker 1: Jeff Okay? Oh fuck fuck?

2525
01:58:50,320 --> 01:58:51,160
Speaker 2: What the fuck?

2526
01:58:52,560 --> 01:58:56,280
Speaker 1: All right? So me me recording my show with no

2527
01:58:56,440 --> 01:58:59,120
Speaker 1: sound was me running into this dude. But then you

2528
01:58:59,320 --> 01:59:01,560
Speaker 1: were the guy that drove the van over him and

2529
01:59:01,680 --> 01:59:06,000
Speaker 1: then back, you know.

2530
01:59:06,160 --> 01:59:08,760
Speaker 2: Luke, I just want to let you know after after

2531
01:59:08,960 --> 01:59:11,400
Speaker 2: we won that award, I did look into how much

2532
01:59:11,440 --> 01:59:15,840
Speaker 2: of David hasselhoff cameo video costs. Turns out six hundred

2533
01:59:15,920 --> 01:59:17,680
Speaker 2: was too much, Luke. Okay, but that would have been

2534
01:59:18,040 --> 01:59:19,600
Speaker 2: if we could get him to take your shirt off,

2535
01:59:19,640 --> 01:59:20,800
Speaker 2: that would have been epic, Luke.

2536
01:59:20,840 --> 01:59:23,000
Speaker 1: Okay, dude, Okay, that would have been so good, I

2537
01:59:23,040 --> 01:59:25,840
Speaker 1: would have no choice but to compliment you.

2538
01:59:26,440 --> 01:59:28,560
Speaker 2: All right, Luke, check this chick's reaction time. Is this

2539
01:59:28,760 --> 01:59:29,640
Speaker 2: wife material?

2540
01:59:34,920 --> 01:59:39,760
Speaker 1: What the fuck? No, that's not real. That's not real.

2541
01:59:40,840 --> 01:59:45,920
Speaker 1: That's not real. That's that's not real. That's not real.

2542
01:59:46,720 --> 01:59:52,240
Speaker 1: That can't be no way otherwise. Yeah, she's wife material

2543
01:59:52,280 --> 01:59:54,880
Speaker 1: at times a thousand. But no, that's not that's not

2544
01:59:54,960 --> 01:59:57,400
Speaker 1: I can't that has to be somehow doctored.

2545
01:59:58,280 --> 02:00:00,760
Speaker 2: Luke, here's your real k over the week and full disclosure.

2546
02:00:01,160 --> 02:00:03,680
Speaker 2: I laughed till I cried seventeen times. I watched it

2547
02:00:03,760 --> 02:00:06,560
Speaker 2: that many times. It's almost like Holloway Volkanovsky too. Look,

2548
02:00:06,600 --> 02:00:08,840
Speaker 2: let's watch these guys try to move a couch without

2549
02:00:08,840 --> 02:00:09,560
Speaker 2: too much brains.

2550
02:00:15,920 --> 02:00:27,160
Speaker 1: Oh you fucking apes? No, No, dude, Oh god, oh god, god,

2551
02:00:27,440 --> 02:00:31,600
Speaker 1: oh god, oh god, oh my god.

2552
02:00:31,920 --> 02:00:34,680
Speaker 2: Yes, wow yeah, all.

2553
02:00:34,680 --> 02:00:39,040
Speaker 1: Right, dog, Okay, so I've done stuff like this. This

2554
02:00:39,280 --> 02:00:40,880
Speaker 1: is I mean, you know, I don't know what part

2555
02:00:40,880 --> 02:00:42,880
Speaker 1: of the world this is in, but this is where

2556
02:00:42,920 --> 02:00:46,200
Speaker 1: you need two tall friends. Yeah, that's what you need,

2557
02:00:46,320 --> 02:00:48,560
Speaker 1: not some guy who just rolls shit off the top

2558
02:00:48,640 --> 02:00:51,400
Speaker 1: of a roof without handing it to someone. And then

2559
02:00:51,440 --> 02:00:55,120
Speaker 1: you've got well, you got geriatrics in this fucking you know,

2560
02:00:56,680 --> 02:01:01,400
Speaker 1: Vespa horsepowered fucking truck, and then you're just killing the elderly.

2561
02:01:01,760 --> 02:01:03,040
Speaker 1: I mean, what the fuck are we doing?

2562
02:01:03,560 --> 02:01:06,960
Speaker 2: That looks like Hendo Bisping Won Louke. That's vicious right there.

2563
02:01:07,080 --> 02:01:10,640
Speaker 2: All right, lord terrible, I got I got two pieces

2564
02:01:10,680 --> 02:01:12,480
Speaker 2: of sound on the way out. The first one is

2565
02:01:12,640 --> 02:01:16,200
Speaker 2: brock Lesner being interviewed by Joe Tessitur on Sports Center

2566
02:01:16,800 --> 02:01:20,400
Speaker 2: days out from his uh unification match with Roman Reigns,

2567
02:01:20,440 --> 02:01:23,120
Speaker 2: which was the main event of Sunday's Night two of WrestleMania.

2568
02:01:24,240 --> 02:01:26,480
Speaker 1: Let me guess something about the COVID vaccine being terrible

2569
02:01:26,600 --> 02:01:28,720
Speaker 1: or something. I can feel it in the air right now.

2570
02:01:28,920 --> 02:01:29,920
Speaker 2: You can feel my mood.

2571
02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:30,920
Speaker 1: I can feel your mood.

2572
02:01:31,880 --> 02:01:32,640
Speaker 2: This room right up.

2573
02:01:32,680 --> 02:01:35,640
Speaker 1: Oh, it is swelling up right now. It's palpable. Right now.

2574
02:01:36,920 --> 02:01:39,640
Speaker 2: I'm coming. I'm just gonna come as hard as I can.

2575
02:01:51,120 --> 02:01:53,120
Speaker 2: I mean, look, it's swelling you know what I mean.

2576
02:01:53,160 --> 02:01:55,080
Speaker 2: It was, the room was swelling up.

2577
02:01:55,560 --> 02:01:57,560
Speaker 1: This is why you can't live in the woods away

2578
02:01:57,600 --> 02:02:00,360
Speaker 1: from people for that long. You know, didn't live in

2579
02:02:00,440 --> 02:02:02,640
Speaker 1: like the wilderness, like, not around any other folks.

2580
02:02:03,320 --> 02:02:05,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, he has not all This is why you gotta have.

2581
02:02:05,800 --> 02:02:08,040
Speaker 1: This is why, this is why you need Thesinos. You

2582
02:02:08,040 --> 02:02:10,200
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, neighbors, this is why you need

2583
02:02:10,320 --> 02:02:12,360
Speaker 1: him because you can't get if you're not used to

2584
02:02:12,360 --> 02:02:13,560
Speaker 1: talking to people. You just go out there and be like,

2585
02:02:13,600 --> 02:02:15,320
Speaker 1: I just you know, I just want to fucking jiz

2586
02:02:15,440 --> 02:02:17,760
Speaker 1: on everything. I know I'm saying, I'm happy. It's like,

2587
02:02:17,800 --> 02:02:18,760
Speaker 1: I don't think that means.

2588
02:02:18,600 --> 02:02:21,000
Speaker 2: That you think, not quite Harold Howard Luke, but he

2589
02:02:21,160 --> 02:02:22,560
Speaker 2: is coming on just the same.

2590
02:02:22,800 --> 02:02:23,080
Speaker 5: Wow.

2591
02:02:23,560 --> 02:02:27,160
Speaker 2: And finally, Luke, this was the NCAA Women's Championship game.

2592
02:02:27,160 --> 02:02:28,800
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if you know this, but ESPN did

2593
02:02:28,840 --> 02:02:31,760
Speaker 2: a a Peyton Manning Brothers type setup where they had

2594
02:02:31,880 --> 02:02:35,840
Speaker 2: Sue Byrd and Diana Terrazzi given alternate broadcasts with some

2595
02:02:36,280 --> 02:02:40,640
Speaker 2: celebrity special guests. I believe this was Yukon versus South Carolina.

2596
02:02:40,680 --> 02:02:44,000
Speaker 2: If I'm not incorrect, let's check it out. So simple, simple,

2597
02:02:44,000 --> 02:02:44,800
Speaker 2: it's a game of inches.

2598
02:02:44,800 --> 02:02:47,120
Speaker 1: At the same time, so those simple things, yeah, are

2599
02:02:47,160 --> 02:02:48,160
Speaker 1: not always so simple.

2600
02:02:48,200 --> 02:02:48,400
Speaker 5: It is.

2601
02:02:48,800 --> 02:02:52,440
Speaker 7: It's a game of inches, as the Cox ask him,

2602
02:02:52,960 --> 02:02:53,480
Speaker 7: and they're.

2603
02:02:53,400 --> 02:02:56,920
Speaker 1: Taking those inches, you know, do you take those inches?

2604
02:02:57,320 --> 02:03:05,280
Speaker 2: Absolutely when you're on the court. God, Luke, as Terrazzi said,

2605
02:03:05,320 --> 02:03:08,880
Speaker 2: as asked the Cox speaking of the South Carolina game Cocks.

2606
02:03:09,000 --> 02:03:12,400
Speaker 1: Wow, wow, Luke, Well, in fairness, the Cox would know.

2607
02:03:12,880 --> 02:03:17,880
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, that's the ship for the week.

2608
02:03:18,000 --> 02:03:20,960
Speaker 1: Luke. That's great, that's great. That's good. No, I was good,

2609
02:03:21,000 --> 02:03:23,520
Speaker 1: it was good. I still didn't see you know, it

2610
02:03:23,520 --> 02:03:25,720
Speaker 1: would have been great. Was a second angle of the

2611
02:03:25,880 --> 02:03:29,800
Speaker 1: furniture moving and watching that old man by It's it's

2612
02:03:29,840 --> 02:03:32,200
Speaker 1: hard to get real excited and to forty p you

2613
02:03:32,240 --> 02:03:34,640
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I need to see that in yeah, seven.

2614
02:03:36,120 --> 02:03:37,920
Speaker 2: In four k that'd be magic.

2615
02:03:38,000 --> 02:03:40,640
Speaker 1: All right, Luke, it's time for odds and ends. Time

2616
02:03:40,680 --> 02:03:41,200
Speaker 1: for odds and ends.

2617
02:03:41,760 --> 02:03:44,040
Speaker 2: Got all right, nobody wants to hear this, But here's

2618
02:03:44,040 --> 02:03:46,280
Speaker 2: the deal. I did watch WrestleMania. I picked my it

2619
02:03:46,360 --> 02:03:48,640
Speaker 2: picked and choose it did. It didn't make me want

2620
02:03:48,680 --> 02:03:51,200
Speaker 2: to come back. I got this to say. I think

2621
02:03:51,240 --> 02:03:53,720
Speaker 2: they overplayed the old guy thing way too hard. Everybody's

2622
02:03:53,720 --> 02:03:55,800
Speaker 2: all fired up about Stone called Steve Austin getting a

2623
02:03:55,880 --> 02:03:58,480
Speaker 2: match Saturday night against Kevin Owens. He's fifty seven and

2624
02:03:58,840 --> 02:04:01,680
Speaker 2: a lot of kick punch, bear drinking, and oh it's great.

2625
02:04:01,840 --> 02:04:06,520
Speaker 2: Like no, not at WrestleMania Steve Austin had done such

2626
02:04:06,520 --> 02:04:09,200
Speaker 2: a great job protecting the fact that he hadn't had

2627
02:04:09,200 --> 02:04:11,200
Speaker 2: a match in twenty something years and wasn't going to

2628
02:04:11,280 --> 02:04:14,080
Speaker 2: because he's old and injured, and then somehow got lured

2629
02:04:14,080 --> 02:04:15,600
Speaker 2: into this. And I know it's supposed to be good

2630
02:04:15,640 --> 02:04:17,680
Speaker 2: time nature for people, and yeah, Kevin Owen sold his

2631
02:04:17,760 --> 02:04:21,200
Speaker 2: ass off, but Steve Austin's different, meaning he should have

2632
02:04:21,280 --> 02:04:23,960
Speaker 2: been better than this, just like Sean Michael should have

2633
02:04:24,000 --> 02:04:26,000
Speaker 2: been better when he came back two years ago Bald

2634
02:04:26,080 --> 02:04:29,080
Speaker 2: and Vince McMahon on Sunday Night. Luke should have been

2635
02:04:29,200 --> 02:04:31,600
Speaker 2: better than this when he came back in his mid

2636
02:04:31,720 --> 02:04:34,360
Speaker 2: seventies and took the worst stunner ever from Stone Cold

2637
02:04:34,360 --> 02:04:36,680
Speaker 2: and we did the whole beer guzzling act. Though I

2638
02:04:36,760 --> 02:04:37,360
Speaker 2: did see, I.

2639
02:04:37,400 --> 02:04:39,320
Speaker 1: Did see this. Didn't he have to reach for it

2640
02:04:39,480 --> 02:04:40,400
Speaker 1: like nine times?

2641
02:04:40,680 --> 02:04:43,400
Speaker 2: Oh God? And here's the deal. Like Vince McMahon has

2642
02:04:43,840 --> 02:04:46,320
Speaker 2: has purposely kept him off TV on a full time

2643
02:04:46,360 --> 02:04:48,320
Speaker 2: basis because he hates the way he looks as an

2644
02:04:48,360 --> 02:04:51,600
Speaker 2: old guy, even though he's before this year but still

2645
02:04:51,640 --> 02:04:53,200
Speaker 2: been ripped. Did you see him two years ago, Luke?

2646
02:04:53,200 --> 02:04:54,960
Speaker 2: He was on the cover of Muscle Fitness. I mean,

2647
02:04:55,000 --> 02:04:58,360
Speaker 2: he was ridiculously ripped for early seventies, like must be

2648
02:04:58,480 --> 02:05:00,440
Speaker 2: taking the most designer shit ever heard of.

2649
02:05:00,920 --> 02:05:01,160
Speaker 1: Dude.

2650
02:05:01,200 --> 02:05:02,800
Speaker 2: He took his shirt off last night and had an

2651
02:05:03,000 --> 02:05:05,320
Speaker 2: impromptu match with Pat McAfee, and not only was it

2652
02:05:05,400 --> 02:05:09,200
Speaker 2: gross and slow and ridiculous, dude, his muscular shirt.

2653
02:05:09,120 --> 02:05:10,640
Speaker 1: Was just old.

2654
02:05:11,280 --> 02:05:13,840
Speaker 2: I mean, look you see that guy's balls. He's old, Luke.

2655
02:05:13,880 --> 02:05:16,680
Speaker 1: I felt that it was, in the words of Doug Stanhope,

2656
02:05:16,760 --> 02:05:19,760
Speaker 1: his balls probably sag like the cheese when you're pulling

2657
02:05:19,800 --> 02:05:21,960
Speaker 1: away a slice from the pie, and then all that

2658
02:05:22,040 --> 02:05:23,880
Speaker 1: space that's probably his balls right now.

2659
02:05:24,080 --> 02:05:27,440
Speaker 2: I'm just saying somebody should have stepped in and Q

2660
02:05:27,600 --> 02:05:29,520
Speaker 2: and aid that, not QAnon to Q and ate it

2661
02:05:29,800 --> 02:05:31,960
Speaker 2: and said maybe this is not a good look for

2662
02:05:32,120 --> 02:05:34,360
Speaker 2: you or for us at this point. But I'll close

2663
02:05:34,400 --> 02:05:36,600
Speaker 2: with this, Luke. The one positive I did take out

2664
02:05:36,640 --> 02:05:38,440
Speaker 2: of the two days of Wrestlmania thirty eight dollars, and

2665
02:05:38,480 --> 02:05:41,000
Speaker 2: I know nobody cares. That's fine. But Cody Rhoades had

2666
02:05:41,000 --> 02:05:44,080
Speaker 2: a prodigal son comeback story. Of course, he left WWE

2667
02:05:44,120 --> 02:05:46,040
Speaker 2: because he didn't want to do the Stardust character anymore.

2668
02:05:46,320 --> 02:05:49,520
Speaker 2: Six years ago, went on the indies, helped star aew

2669
02:05:49,760 --> 02:05:52,200
Speaker 2: really was the face of the revolution, and then out

2670
02:05:52,240 --> 02:05:56,200
Speaker 2: of nowhere made this leave and leap back to WWE,

2671
02:05:56,440 --> 02:05:59,080
Speaker 2: only he did it on his terms. He had a

2672
02:05:59,160 --> 02:06:02,880
Speaker 2: match with Seth ra and Luke. The reason why this

2673
02:06:03,000 --> 02:06:04,919
Speaker 2: was the best match of the weekend, the best storyline

2674
02:06:04,920 --> 02:06:07,320
Speaker 2: coming from WrestleMania was it was the most real. Here

2675
02:06:07,480 --> 02:06:10,600
Speaker 2: was Cody Rhoads doing what we all have wanted to do.

2676
02:06:10,800 --> 02:06:13,360
Speaker 2: You leaving Vox and coming back and winning all this

2677
02:06:13,480 --> 02:06:15,360
Speaker 2: money and making all these awards, and me doing the

2678
02:06:15,400 --> 02:06:17,640
Speaker 2: same for ESPN and being like, this is how it

2679
02:06:17,800 --> 02:06:20,640
Speaker 2: was supposed to have been done, me betting on me

2680
02:06:20,880 --> 02:06:23,600
Speaker 2: being me, not what you want me to be. It

2681
02:06:23,760 --> 02:06:27,040
Speaker 2: was a wholesome, heartfelt moment. It was a fantastic top

2682
02:06:27,120 --> 02:06:29,400
Speaker 2: shelf match. Credit to Seth Rollins for selling all that.

2683
02:06:29,800 --> 02:06:32,680
Speaker 2: And even though Cody's a little bit rough at times

2684
02:06:32,760 --> 02:06:35,040
Speaker 2: in an elite match in terms of moves and technique

2685
02:06:35,360 --> 02:06:39,200
Speaker 2: as a performer is a plus. Luke, this was the

2686
02:06:39,280 --> 02:06:41,280
Speaker 2: first night in Cody's entire career where I felt like

2687
02:06:41,320 --> 02:06:44,360
Speaker 2: he was Dusty Son. He's Dusty Roads's blood son, but

2688
02:06:44,520 --> 02:06:47,520
Speaker 2: he stepped into that this is a move Dusty would

2689
02:06:47,600 --> 02:06:51,400
Speaker 2: have done, being an opportunistic businessman at the key moment,

2690
02:06:51,640 --> 02:06:54,920
Speaker 2: knowing your value maximizing it. Shout out to Cody Rhoads.

2691
02:06:54,960 --> 02:06:57,320
Speaker 2: I felt it in the field spot to see you

2692
02:06:57,440 --> 02:06:59,760
Speaker 2: go on that turnaround. I'm not into the game anymore,

2693
02:06:59,800 --> 02:07:02,400
Speaker 2: but I will tune into what he's doing. The American Nightmare.

2694
02:07:02,680 --> 02:07:04,680
Speaker 2: I love him or hate him. Luke he came full

2695
02:07:04,760 --> 02:07:06,800
Speaker 2: circle and bet on himself and at work, so it

2696
02:07:06,960 --> 02:07:09,360
Speaker 2: was very very good to see that. And Luke he fought.

2697
02:07:09,480 --> 02:07:11,800
Speaker 2: He wrestled in a style which could have been you know,

2698
02:07:12,120 --> 02:07:15,560
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy eight Memphis at the Mid South Coliseum or Greenville,

2699
02:07:15,600 --> 02:07:18,040
Speaker 2: South Carolina in eighty three at Starkate. It was that

2700
02:07:18,200 --> 02:07:21,160
Speaker 2: old school pro wrestling style that I get into enough

2701
02:07:21,200 --> 02:07:22,120
Speaker 2: wrestling on this show.

2702
02:07:22,200 --> 02:07:26,400
Speaker 1: Thank you so sorry. Sorry, Yes, I agree, I agree.

2703
02:07:26,520 --> 02:07:31,520
Speaker 1: Volkanowski's were gonna win. I agree, I agree. Okay, uh sorry,

2704
02:07:31,560 --> 02:07:33,480
Speaker 1: I have to be a shitheat about it. I apologize,

2705
02:07:33,680 --> 02:07:36,760
Speaker 1: all right for my odds and ends. I was just

2706
02:07:36,800 --> 02:07:38,600
Speaker 1: pretending to be a sleepy see just to stick it

2707
02:07:38,640 --> 02:07:40,640
Speaker 1: to you. Sorry, but I don't mean I don't really

2708
02:07:40,720 --> 02:07:43,360
Speaker 1: mean that all right, obviously, for my odds and ends,

2709
02:07:43,400 --> 02:07:45,480
Speaker 1: for the folks who don't care about wrestling. How about this?

2710
02:07:46,680 --> 02:07:52,360
Speaker 1: Did you see the executive compensation packages for Endeavors two

2711
02:07:52,480 --> 02:07:59,440
Speaker 1: top executives. Listen to this. Endeavor executives, by the way,

2712
02:07:59,600 --> 02:08:01,800
Speaker 1: just cry their twenty twenty numbers. In twenty twenty one,

2713
02:08:01,920 --> 02:08:05,760
Speaker 1: Ari Emmanuel, who heads Endeavor, made a pay package of

2714
02:08:06,080 --> 02:08:09,320
Speaker 1: three hundred and eight million, which, by the way, I

2715
02:08:09,360 --> 02:08:14,160
Speaker 1: should note is, according to the Wall Street Journal, not

2716
02:08:14,320 --> 02:08:17,400
Speaker 1: only tops all Hollywood executives, it's also the highest figure

2717
02:08:17,440 --> 02:08:22,400
Speaker 1: for any CEO in the S and P five hundred. BC.

2718
02:08:23,000 --> 02:08:26,240
Speaker 1: Listen to this. SEC filings also show that Endeavor executives

2719
02:08:26,240 --> 02:08:28,240
Speaker 1: received massive py days in twenty twenty one, with similar

2720
02:08:28,240 --> 02:08:31,520
Speaker 1: stock grants. Chairman Patrick White cell one hundred and twenty

2721
02:08:31,560 --> 02:08:35,760
Speaker 1: three million, Endeavor's Patrick Mark Shapiro forty two million, CFO

2722
02:08:35,880 --> 02:08:39,840
Speaker 1: Jason Lubin eighteen million, Chief Communications Officer Christian Muirhead getting

2723
02:08:39,880 --> 02:08:43,880
Speaker 1: twelve million as well. I just want to point out

2724
02:08:44,000 --> 02:08:46,160
Speaker 1: BC that there's a lot of ways in which I'm

2725
02:08:46,200 --> 02:08:48,200
Speaker 1: not arguing that they should not be compensated. In fact,

2726
02:08:48,200 --> 02:08:50,520
Speaker 1: even hundreds of millions. They had a great year. They're

2727
02:08:50,520 --> 02:08:52,520
Speaker 1: the top executives. Of course they should be rich. They

2728
02:08:52,560 --> 02:08:55,440
Speaker 1: will be rich. All of this is in every way

2729
02:08:55,600 --> 02:09:00,120
Speaker 1: kind of some way fine, except when you realize that

2730
02:09:00,360 --> 02:09:02,800
Speaker 1: just between the two top executives, if you just took

2731
02:09:02,840 --> 02:09:05,720
Speaker 1: in their salaries, that's more than double the entire roster

2732
02:09:05,920 --> 02:09:08,960
Speaker 1: got paid in twenty twenty one. More to the point,

2733
02:09:09,160 --> 02:09:12,240
Speaker 1: more to the point about this, it just remains kind

2734
02:09:12,280 --> 02:09:14,480
Speaker 1: of weird to me that we have these ways in

2735
02:09:14,520 --> 02:09:18,160
Speaker 1: which we pay most people, including top executives, that have

2736
02:09:18,360 --> 02:09:21,680
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the deprivation arguments that those same

2737
02:09:21,840 --> 02:09:24,880
Speaker 1: UFC executives employ to keep fight or pay. What it

2738
02:09:25,000 --> 02:09:27,800
Speaker 1: is where we're splitting show and win, where we're like, well,

2739
02:09:27,840 --> 02:09:29,960
Speaker 1: we got to keep them hungry to get the most

2740
02:09:30,120 --> 02:09:34,480
Speaker 1: out of them. We don't employ any of those rubrics

2741
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Speaker 1: or taxes or sort of ways of which we organize

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02:09:38,680 --> 02:09:41,760
Speaker 1: pay to do any other form of any other elite

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Speaker 1: pay in this entire industry, frankly, and so it just

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Speaker 1: sort of shows this is not a clan that it

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02:09:48,560 --> 02:09:51,760
Speaker 1: should be x amount less or a y amount more. Rather,

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Speaker 1: we structure pay for all those people without any of

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02:09:55,840 --> 02:09:59,120
Speaker 1: those same considerations. Because of course, the consideration that you

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02:09:59,160 --> 02:10:00,880
Speaker 1: should split it between show and win or however you

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02:10:00,920 --> 02:10:03,440
Speaker 1: want to split in those ways is just an arbitrary

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Speaker 1: way to lower pay to keep it at seventeen percent,

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Speaker 1: that they don't employ for any of themselves. So it's

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Speaker 1: fine that they're rich, it's fine they made a lot

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Speaker 1: of money. I just want to point out that the

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02:10:12,120 --> 02:10:14,880
Speaker 1: reasons why fighter pay is low, the arguments that they

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02:10:14,960 --> 02:10:18,040
Speaker 1: make they would never employ for themselves, and why they

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02:10:18,120 --> 02:10:21,000
Speaker 1: have different jobs, the reasons why you would employ them

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02:10:21,160 --> 02:10:23,960
Speaker 1: still don't make any sense. It's just to keep fighter

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Speaker 1: pay low.

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Speaker 2: So I just want to Yeah, I mean, these should

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02:10:26,480 --> 02:10:29,880
Speaker 2: not be the guys being, you know, on record at

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Speaker 2: the stock meetings explaining how well we do or don't

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Speaker 2: pay our fighters when I mean, what what did what

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Speaker 2: did are? What did the manual make?

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Speaker 1: What was the total threeho eight mili three hundred.

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Speaker 2: Eight million one year? Yeah, okay, what if you took

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Speaker 2: I'm not asking a successful man to take a pay cut,

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02:10:47,880 --> 02:10:50,000
Speaker 2: but what if he took one hundred million of that

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02:10:50,320 --> 02:10:52,760
Speaker 2: and put it back in the fighter pay? Would that

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02:10:52,840 --> 02:10:53,440
Speaker 2: fix the problem?

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Speaker 1: Look?

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Speaker 2: I mean would would one hundred million be enough to

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02:10:55,640 --> 02:10:56,240
Speaker 2: fix the problem?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, I don't know what fixing

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02:10:58,320 --> 02:10:59,920
Speaker 1: the problem even looks like anymore, But I would say

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02:11:00,400 --> 02:11:02,360
Speaker 1: you probab see a lot less complaints. I mean, people

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02:11:02,400 --> 02:11:04,160
Speaker 1: like all day to complain no matter what. I don't know.

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02:11:04,560 --> 02:11:05,680
Speaker 1: I'd like to test that theory.

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02:11:06,280 --> 02:11:09,080
Speaker 2: Really biggest, the biggest problem is there's no middle class

2779
02:11:09,080 --> 02:11:12,080
Speaker 2: in UFC fighter pay, and the bottom level gets paid

2780
02:11:12,280 --> 02:11:14,320
Speaker 2: like peanuts. They can't even afford to do a training camp.

2781
02:11:14,560 --> 02:11:16,640
Speaker 2: But even if they kept the structure of the have

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02:11:16,800 --> 02:11:19,080
Speaker 2: and have not to keep everybody hungry and just said,

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02:11:19,320 --> 02:11:22,560
Speaker 2: when you get to the championship level, you're making five

2784
02:11:22,640 --> 02:11:24,320
Speaker 2: million a year no matter what, and you're set for life.

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02:11:24,360 --> 02:11:26,520
Speaker 2: Thank you for your hard work and all the brain you.

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02:11:26,560 --> 02:11:26,960
Speaker 1: Gave to this.

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Speaker 2: They don't even do that, Luke, you know what I mean?

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02:11:29,080 --> 02:11:31,960
Speaker 2: They got it, They got they got it, Luke, I mean,

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Speaker 2: could you imagine.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, think they did a great thing. They've done,

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02:11:35,520 --> 02:11:40,640
Speaker 1: they deserve to be well compensated. It's just these infantilizing

2792
02:11:40,920 --> 02:11:44,160
Speaker 1: arguments that people employ because they want to argue fighting

2793
02:11:44,320 --> 02:11:46,160
Speaker 1: is different and therefore we have to put in these

2794
02:11:46,240 --> 02:11:50,240
Speaker 1: mechanisms to actually lower pay to get better performance. Matt

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02:11:50,280 --> 02:11:52,760
Speaker 1: Brown was talking about it, but like you really think

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02:11:52,880 --> 02:11:56,040
Speaker 1: that splitting Matt Brown's purse is gonna get more out

2797
02:11:56,040 --> 02:11:58,160
Speaker 1: of Matt Brown's gonna give you one hundred percent no

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02:11:58,280 --> 02:12:01,360
Speaker 1: matter what, at least for senior fighters. It obviously makes

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02:12:01,600 --> 02:12:04,440
Speaker 1: zero sense. And I'm just pointing out they put these

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02:12:04,520 --> 02:12:06,480
Speaker 1: things in there, and they say, oh, fighting is different,

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02:12:06,520 --> 02:12:08,840
Speaker 1: that's why we have to pay differently. When you don't

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Speaker 1: see those mechanisms employed anywhere else in any of the industry,

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02:12:14,080 --> 02:12:18,400
Speaker 1: or frankly really any other industry, because it's obviously quite nonsensical.

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02:12:18,480 --> 02:12:21,560
Speaker 1: It doesn't work at all. And so I'm just pointing out,

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Speaker 1: not that they don't deserve to make enormous riches.

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Speaker 6: They do.

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Speaker 1: They deserve to be enormous wealthy, but they would never

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02:12:27,040 --> 02:12:29,480
Speaker 1: employ these kinds of things because it's just obviously a

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02:12:29,560 --> 02:12:32,680
Speaker 1: scheme to keep pay low, no less, no more. Just

2810
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Speaker 1: call it what it is.

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Speaker 2: And if you're wondering on a comparison, Roger Goodell was

2812
02:12:36,920 --> 02:12:39,360
Speaker 2: set to make just shy of I believe sixty four

2813
02:12:39,480 --> 02:12:42,120
Speaker 2: million last year to run the NFL, and the highest

2814
02:12:42,120 --> 02:12:45,360
Speaker 2: paid player, Aaron Rodgers did make fifty million, Luke Deshaun

2815
02:12:45,360 --> 02:12:48,680
Speaker 2: Watson forty six, Patrick Mahomes forty five, So at least

2816
02:12:48,720 --> 02:12:51,760
Speaker 2: it's closer keeping I mean, what's I mean, try to

2817
02:12:51,840 --> 02:12:54,680
Speaker 2: compare Emmanuel or Dana White or White Cells take home

2818
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Speaker 2: to what Connor McGregor or anyone else in the upper

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02:12:57,640 --> 02:12:58,760
Speaker 2: upper upper UFC elite.

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Speaker 1: It's not even close. Do There's boot lookers out there

2821
02:13:01,160 --> 02:13:02,960
Speaker 1: being like this is bitings blah blah blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: All of this is different. And in the end they

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Speaker 1: get seventeen to eighteen percent by design because probably it's

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Speaker 1: gonna see what the course decide, probably because it's a

2825
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Speaker 1: monopoly and they can again if you're I'm just so

2826
02:13:14,480 --> 02:13:16,640
Speaker 1: tired of having been in fight sports as long as

2827
02:13:16,680 --> 02:13:18,120
Speaker 1: I have, and watching this as long as I have,

2828
02:13:18,760 --> 02:13:22,040
Speaker 1: seeing these arguments leveled at fighters about why their pay

2829
02:13:22,120 --> 02:13:26,160
Speaker 1: should be lowered when they're just absurd on their face

2830
02:13:26,280 --> 02:13:29,240
Speaker 1: that no one employs anywhere else pay them what you

2831
02:13:29,320 --> 02:13:31,160
Speaker 1: want or you know, but at least make an argument

2832
02:13:31,240 --> 02:13:32,840
Speaker 1: like we pay you this low because we want to

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02:13:32,880 --> 02:13:35,080
Speaker 1: keep most of the money. That's that's the argument. That's

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Speaker 1: the argument, the beginning and the end of it. That's

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Speaker 1: the argument. So all this other bullshit just toss it out,

2836
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Speaker 1: all right, thank you. That's our show, u bc BC.

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Speaker 1: We have a bunch of stuff coming this week, so

2838
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Speaker 1: we're gonna have the Wednesday show, we'll have a Friday show.

2839
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Speaker 1: We'll see what happens with your participation on the Friday show.

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Speaker 1: But we also I think is coming out tomorrow BC,

2841
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Speaker 1: or maybe I could be wrong about this. It's coming

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Speaker 1: out soon anyway. I'll get the exact date on this.

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Speaker 1: The Spence Ugas preview that I did for Die, I

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Speaker 1: brought back Die sected and we're gonna have a Spence

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Speaker 1: Ugas preview, not a total preview, just a couple of

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Speaker 1: things to look for in either direction. So that's coming

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Speaker 1: out as well. Any interviews coming out that we should

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Speaker 1: be aware of.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to chat chat with Demitrius Johnson of

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Speaker 2: One Championship Fame.

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Speaker 1: Luke very good, very good. All right, So there you

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Speaker 1: have it.

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Speaker 2: Want to remind every take that shit Luke.

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Speaker 1: Okay, No, that's great. DJ is a great fighter. He's

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Speaker 1: a good interview. I look forward to watching it.

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