Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: Hey you guys, you know we were having too much fun, right?
Speaker 1: You know it's fun when we're just going all over
Speaker 1: the place. This is one of the most random, non
Speaker 1: sequitur Quest Love Supreme episodes ever, probably even crazier than
Speaker 1: the dess in Mirror episode. I will just say that
Speaker 1: we're just going all over the place, and it's so informative,
Speaker 1: so entertaining, and so hilarious. This just might be my
Speaker 1: favorite episode of Quest Love Supreme ever. Yes, I'm going
Speaker 1: on record, Jimmy jam I might have to break your heart.
Speaker 1: You might be number two. This is probably one of
Speaker 1: my favorite moments on this on this whole experience of
Speaker 1: bringing you guys information. So, without further ado, this part
Speaker 1: two of the Family Stand episode on Quest Love Supreme.
Speaker 1: So we were on you. I'm sorry where you're ruly
Speaker 1: rude interruptions like that? Um yeah, So I mean what
Speaker 1: she said she said something that we we definitely should acknowledge,
Speaker 1: which is, you know, Jimmy giving her the heads up
Speaker 1: on a certain someone. Thank you for getting giving me
Speaker 1: the heads up on Oh wait a minute, what happened
Speaker 1: her solo recording which one Sanctuary album that Yeah, what happened?
Speaker 1: Oh god? So what you left? You left? Well, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying Maryland, Bob and Sylvia, but just to return
Speaker 1: to them. Wasn't your solo project on? Okay, how what
Speaker 1: time do we have? So? Um? Are we going to
Speaker 1: be crying out to the story? Probably? No, No, it's
Speaker 1: actually kind of funny when I look back. Was it
Speaker 1: funny then? But so I was of course. So so
Speaker 1: as a group with Atlantic, they were signed as producers.
Speaker 1: It was going to be a producer's album, but then
Speaker 1: he decided to make it just us. So then they
Speaker 1: had to sign me in an inducement letter, right, so
Speaker 1: I was signed separately. They were committed to five albums.
Speaker 1: I was only committed to three albums. And after that
Speaker 1: third album, we we saw that the label wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: give us any real love, right. It was like they
Speaker 1: were treating like do do so, so you know, we said, look,
Speaker 1: let's just let's just take you someplace else. Your you,
Speaker 1: your your deal was up. Let's go do basically fam
Speaker 1: saying someplace else but just under your name. Okay, So
Speaker 1: because I was free and that was fine, and so
Speaker 1: I remember the meeting with me and our and our
Speaker 1: manager Abby with Sylvie ruin and uh he Sylvie ruined Thal,
Speaker 1: So just let us sit for us. I gotta I
Speaker 1: gotta rep fante like you, he's crazy. I love it
Speaker 1: that she's like original, she tells me the the whole time. Well,
Speaker 1: so we're in the meeting and Abby's explaining to her.
Speaker 1: So basically, we're here because Sandra's deal is up, and uh,
Speaker 1: we just want to let you know that you have
Speaker 1: first right of refusal, so you could, you know, pick
Speaker 1: her up a solo artist or she's going someplace else.
Speaker 1: And she was like, no, that's not true. That's not true. No,
Speaker 1: that's not true. And he said, but it is. No,
Speaker 1: that's not true, that's not true, but it is. That's
Speaker 1: when this one on for like three or four times.
Speaker 1: She picks up the phone calls business affairs. Uh huh,
Speaker 1: slam the phone. Now, oh she was mad. So she
Speaker 1: was mad as hell. And then she was just like, okay,
Speaker 1: she was tight, man, she was tight. So we we
Speaker 1: we exited the room, right, we just exited because she
Speaker 1: was whoa We left and that was fine. She was.
Speaker 1: This is when she was still you know Atlantic, right,
Speaker 1: I mean attic can swear questions. Can I ask the
Speaker 1: question though? So when you tell a label exact, a
Speaker 1: label exactly, thank you, I'm black. Um, when you tell
Speaker 1: a label exactly that was scary as fun, right, I'm
Speaker 1: telling you this is the best episode ever. When you
Speaker 1: tell them, look, can we can you let us go
Speaker 1: because you know you ain't doing that for us? Okay
Speaker 1: that it was a hostile thing. No, you can't say
Speaker 1: it like that. Wrote the most humbling letter ever. Jimmy
Speaker 1: like Jimmy Ivy was crying at the end like that, sir,
Speaker 1: you have all these platinum mars, like just at all? Right?
Speaker 1: But why why the need to hang on? Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a whole egg on the face thing for some people,
Speaker 1: and there's a there's an ego issue with some folks.
Speaker 1: But if they so the fear of you having success
Speaker 1: on another it would be egg on their face. Yeau.
Speaker 1: I couldn't make it work, but they could. Now that
Speaker 1: makes me look like I was I was the failure
Speaker 1: and not the artist. So okay, let me just give
Speaker 1: come and try to cut to the chase. So no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it was a long version. So we we leave. This
Speaker 1: meeting was over. Okay, I'm free and clear, and she
Speaker 1: was obviously not gonna give me, you know, the first
Speaker 1: she wasn't gonna try to pick me up herself because
Speaker 1: she was pissed. And uh so we go do our
Speaker 1: little searching. We're talking to Sony, We're talking to Epic,
Speaker 1: We're talking like, you know, a little little bidding war
Speaker 1: going on. I wanted to go with the lecturer, the
Speaker 1: boutique label because they love black women. They had a
Speaker 1: Needa Baker, they had Tracy Chapman, he had Natalie Cole,
Speaker 1: they had they had need to with me. It was
Speaker 1: like I can't think about they had like so many
Speaker 1: It was thick with just big black women, voices class
Speaker 1: now black women he loved. He loved voices. Man. So
Speaker 1: he was like, he was like, you know, he wasn't
Speaker 1: offering the most money. I know. This story is about
Speaker 1: the go to Rory laughing. Oh stop, okay, see you
Speaker 1: see what you see? What's this story? So so so
Speaker 1: Bob Kress is like dope, and he's like, I've got
Speaker 1: like a nine and a thousand dollar budget, which is great.
Speaker 1: Back in the day, he sent me we had finished
Speaker 1: the album Albums in the Can, sent me to Jamaica
Speaker 1: to do the photo shoot. I'm in the limo on
Speaker 1: the whack on the way back from Jamaica. Get a
Speaker 1: call from Michael Lago, my my A and R at
Speaker 1: the time. First it was Carol Chisman and Michael. He said,
Speaker 1: did you hear what happened? I said no. He said,
Speaker 1: Bob kras now stepping down. And I was like, oh damn,
Speaker 1: because I do you know what? It's cool albums in
Speaker 1: the can you know we we just finished the shoot
Speaker 1: boom And he's like, you know who took his place?
Speaker 1: I'm like, of course, I don't even know. He stepped
Speaker 1: down and he said, he said, Sylvia, run lecture. I
Speaker 1: didn't little bit more. You gonna go done. I felt
Speaker 1: like by the time she got there was only left over.
Speaker 1: So where is that? What was that meaning? Right? So
Speaker 1: then I wrote her a letter that was going something
Speaker 1: see ye my brother, get I'm looking to you now.
Speaker 1: See I wrote her a nice lettuce in her candle. Girl.
Speaker 1: That was like a girl, Hey, you know this is
Speaker 1: times less to like women are like you know, this
Speaker 1: is a woman. I tried my best. She would ever
Speaker 1: beat you with her. I tried to y'all listen, yo
Speaker 1: said a letter and a candle and and so I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, I figured she was just you know,
Speaker 1: I said, I'm I'm glad to see you here. Let's
Speaker 1: sit down and let's just you know, wut sister. She
Speaker 1: was like, you come on and let's sit down and talk.
Speaker 1: So I was like, okay, yeah, so go and sit down.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Her eyes were on fire. So there
Speaker 1: she was. She was. She let me talk and we
Speaker 1: played the music some more because she had already heard
Speaker 1: the album. She's gonna play it for me, so I
Speaker 1: played it. She was milking this ship. Let me tell
Speaker 1: you something. She was milking, you know, her milking it.
Speaker 1: Eyes was just like watching me right and while we listening,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to just be cool, you know. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm trying to be I'm trying to be
Speaker 1: all aesthetic. I was like waving incenses ship that I
Speaker 1: bought the whole shebang with me, and so we listened
Speaker 1: to share. She was like, um, you know, I just
Speaker 1: don't think this is for us. I just don't hear
Speaker 1: anything for this isn't really where I want to go
Speaker 1: with the label, you know. Oh so she just skotta say,
Speaker 1: you know, by you know, just like, no, this is
Speaker 1: we're not going to do this, And I'm like, but
Speaker 1: if their album is kind of already done, she was like,
Speaker 1: h yeah, I'm not going to release it, you know,
Speaker 1: but am I free? Are you gonna let me go?
Speaker 1: Or she was like, UM, well, we'll talk about that later,
Speaker 1: but for sure, we're not going to do anything with
Speaker 1: this record. We're not going to be releasing it. She
Speaker 1: said that like twelve times. She loved that so much.
Speaker 1: She read it was like it was like it was
Speaker 1: like Paul Mooney like get Teeth White. She was like,
Speaker 1: we're not going to release your Albom. We're not gonna
Speaker 1: release ther Adom. We only one one one. We're not
Speaker 1: going to release your album. The Race album, Paul, one
Speaker 1: of my favorite albums of all time. Yo, man, wait
Speaker 1: wait wait, ladies and gentlemen, I want to tell you
Speaker 1: that when the idea of me having my own podcast
Speaker 1: was introduced, this is my dream, like I'm never going
Speaker 1: to have this high again. Every story. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: my crackheads. I don't know if you'll get Sylvia. Actually
Speaker 1: I actually seen it recently. All these recently she comes
Speaker 1: to her artists still come to the Tonight show and
Speaker 1: this is what and I said this to her and
Speaker 1: actually I met this. This is the thing about silvian
Speaker 1: Us and them really because as you said when we
Speaker 1: opened introduction, we all kind of we're a different group
Speaker 1: of kind of individuals groups in the context music against
Speaker 1: you whatever, and the thing on a certain on a
Speaker 1: on a deep level, I think she really really got
Speaker 1: who we were and us really dug the music. However,
Speaker 1: when she had to go out into the world of
Speaker 1: those R and B promotion departments, they were like, what
Speaker 1: is this ship you we get but they don't get
Speaker 1: seven of those? Or what's this rock? What you know?
Speaker 1: So yes, so they would have it means that they
Speaker 1: would have to use elbow grease, well, yes, and figure
Speaker 1: out the actually to work. Yeah, that's not it. I
Speaker 1: mean the thing literally every time it's funny, I want
Speaker 1: to hear these songs, and they might the little kids
Speaker 1: here that they hear like invoked songs and they sound dope.
Speaker 1: Before Ghetto Heaven came out, we heard they showed us.
Speaker 1: She said this, we don't have this news. The other
Speaker 1: actors come out the same time and she played the
Speaker 1: video and I'm like, oh, who's who's this group? And
Speaker 1: then I heard hold on to Your Love and so
Speaker 1: the video I'm like the first time, I was like,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, because I heard that the track
Speaker 1: is and they look hot and yeah they put it
Speaker 1: seemed like every time we put out a record in
Speaker 1: Vote came out two weeks before, so Invote came out
Speaker 1: right let yes, yeah it came so that came out
Speaker 1: right before ghet O Heaven. So when getting happened we
Speaker 1: had a chance to go number one, it was like
Speaker 1: really where you know, it's kind of like the funking
Speaker 1: the Road where careers divide. But there was a there
Speaker 1: was a song we had out on that album called
Speaker 1: the Samurai Fall that kind of should have been a
Speaker 1: number one kind of r B ballid hit, but it
Speaker 1: came out two weeks after something else they didn't vote
Speaker 1: and put out. It was like, and I think Sandra
Speaker 1: knew somebody at the label when we're going through the
Speaker 1: whole story, but they but as I remember correctly, they
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, you know it was fine. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he would have been fine if he got the record
Speaker 1: to But anyway, it did will in his deal time,
Speaker 1: Yeah it did. SiGe Carolina was popping. It probably went
Speaker 1: to number four just like the size of his personality.
Speaker 1: You don't know what actually I saw the videos anyway
Speaker 1: that's going on the area automatic. I don't know these guys. Yea,
Speaker 1: what is your sign? Because you deal really well with
Speaker 1: these two really matter. Yeah no, no, he's always like Okay,
Speaker 1: there didn't go He just slides and like or something.
Speaker 1: But still I love that you guys, at least now,
Speaker 1: are really putting up the appearance that you love each other.
Speaker 1: We do do, No, I know you can't think you
Speaker 1: can't take this chemistry w so for this particular situation. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't believe in a true democrat. I believe in
Speaker 1: the idea of a true democracy. And I've said this
Speaker 1: on many episode before. Yes, like I like to think
Speaker 1: that the eleven of us have say or whatever, Like
Speaker 1: what do you think? What do you think? What do
Speaker 1: you think? You know, like everyone from the the leader
Speaker 1: to the minion, the last member of the group to
Speaker 1: get at it. But how do you guys decide? Because
Speaker 1: the thing is that you you guys are also kind
Speaker 1: of a dinosaur in terms of the fact that groups
Speaker 1: we're starting to become extinct by the early nineties. But
Speaker 1: you know, so by the time you guys come along,
Speaker 1: there's like maybe nine black bands left on a major
Speaker 1: label as opposed to seventy or a hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: twenty years ago. So how do you guys make decisions?
Speaker 1: How do you guys establish a song? How do you
Speaker 1: guys Like I'm not asking, like who's the alpha? Is
Speaker 1: this thirty three and the third equally? Or we trust
Speaker 1: and love each other so much on the and series
Speaker 1: gonna deep level that we each have things that we
Speaker 1: kind of say, kind of kind of kind of takes
Speaker 1: the lead on a very organic, organic way. I mean
Speaker 1: the biggest Jeff and I almost kind of like what's
Speaker 1: Elton John? And um we never we never we never
Speaker 1: really had one major fight except who should be except
Speaker 1: Greg Anthony when he was a point guard of the
Speaker 1: next fight. Yeah, because we know he was the greatest
Speaker 1: point except for me. I said, great, Anthony is a
Speaker 1: great defensive player, but he can't shoot. But anyway, but
Speaker 1: eventually shot when he got to the grizzly. I had
Speaker 1: a joke bo but I'm not gonna say yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna say that what I had to do with
Speaker 1: the rest, But anyway, um dog, I got a lot
Speaker 1: of favorite references. But I like Greg Anthon, he's a
Speaker 1: great guy. But um um it was jokes, jokes, uh no,
Speaker 1: but yeah. But but we respect each other's opinion and
Speaker 1: there's like different areas that each of us kind of
Speaker 1: just like, you know, in my specific situation, I know that,
Speaker 1: and I know that Trek will probably say like, no,
Speaker 1: it's fifty one you and forty nine me. But in
Speaker 1: my eyes, I'm like, well, I'll slave over a song
Speaker 1: all night, and but if he can't write to it,
Speaker 1: then it's not getting on the album. And I know
Speaker 1: the true answer is, well, you guys should be in
Speaker 1: the room at the same time. No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: But I kind of like working by myself because I
Speaker 1: had weird hours and I want to get all my
Speaker 1: ideas out some therapist becautic things. So is collaboration just
Speaker 1: a myth or no, I mean a frustrating compromise. Now
Speaker 1: it's it's harder than it was when we all because
Speaker 1: now he's here. I'm in the Netherlands and he's in California.
Speaker 1: Got you moved out to you now live in the
Speaker 1: Netherlands now three right, two thousands two. I've known you forever.
Speaker 1: I know I mean it's yeah, I've been there. I've
Speaker 1: been there for I come. I've come back and forth
Speaker 1: so much though. That's why that's why your shoes is
Speaker 1: so dope. Don't question? Do you? Of course you like
Speaker 1: it better? I don't know, like, actually, well, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a better country for health care, better health care, better
Speaker 1: syst No, it's not free, but it's it's good, and
Speaker 1: it's reliable and it's you know, it's no bullshit right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: kind of approctimate y'all. So the interview in the Natlands
Speaker 1: proctim how long did it take you to nail the language?
Speaker 1: Six months? Six months? No, because I mean because of
Speaker 1: classical training, you know, I learned, isn't Italian, German, Russian
Speaker 1: and French? So languages come easily. I've learned that when
Speaker 1: you unlock the sixteenth gene key of your mind of
Speaker 1: the fifty of them, what book did you just read? Right?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I live the gene keys every day. So
Speaker 1: it's just that you can. It's teaching you how to
Speaker 1: retain how your subconscious can retain information, but your sub
Speaker 1: conscious mind blocks you from from taking it. Like if
Speaker 1: everyone in this woman has the power to play like
Speaker 1: rock montin off right now if they wanted to. But
Speaker 1: it's your your faith, and oh I can't learn, no doubt.
Speaker 1: But I'm an American. So even with all of our
Speaker 1: terrible nous and you know, and and madness and crazy,
Speaker 1: I miss America. So about I think the well, the
Speaker 1: small things a lot, the shared the shared history and
Speaker 1: the things that we can talk about, even like references
Speaker 1: of jokes. If if if if I say, if I
Speaker 1: if I reference uh my show, everybody knows I'm talking
Speaker 1: Aboutie Murph fall out AUNTI fall out of step and
Speaker 1: I say it over there, they look at me like,
Speaker 1: you know, you know what I mean. So it's like
Speaker 1: you have to like really gotta you gotta talk like
Speaker 1: very precise and just direct. They're very blunt and and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, their jokes are not my jokes, and my
Speaker 1: jokes aren't there jokes, and my my history is not
Speaker 1: their history. So even though you run into black people,
Speaker 1: are not saying black people, I don't gonna say, do
Speaker 1: you order your hair products off Amazon? Or I don't
Speaker 1: do no none of the hair shop over there about
Speaker 1: bo So how you can you just care? Please? I
Speaker 1: got order products here. I come here often enough to
Speaker 1: take you backs over there. I'd be like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: because hair and you're black hair and you're I'm getting
Speaker 1: here though, who never mind, that's that's generally seriously gonna
Speaker 1: beat my next hustle. I'm gonna have. I'm gonna open
Speaker 1: up a hair studio or hairs because they needed that.
Speaker 1: You girl needed your girls. My girls. Yeah, they hair. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I get all their products and stuff like, yeah they
Speaker 1: got they got that, you know that other kind of here.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, you just need a little bit of water,
Speaker 1: put a little bit of bright good cooking. All right,
Speaker 1: They're good, They're good straight all right, right now, I'm
Speaker 1: going wait, we still didn't get to the point of
Speaker 1: the story. What was the storry? What did Jimmy jam
Speaker 1: warn you about? Oh? My god, I totally does all
Speaker 1: the time. No, he told I remember when I first uh,
Speaker 1: when Prince told Warner Brothers that he had heard my
Speaker 1: Sanctuary album, and like, how do you? How do you
Speaker 1: think that to this day? Don't know how you, Prince
Speaker 1: Jimmy Prince. I was like, how do you? So She's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, But he says he listens to it
Speaker 1: every morning and he has to work with you. I
Speaker 1: was like, what, wow, dope. So before I actually met him,
Speaker 1: was I think it was an ASKAP award show or something,
Speaker 1: and Jim and Jam and Terry Louise were there, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, you know, guys, guess
Speaker 1: what I'm gay work with Prince Man. They were like, yo,
Speaker 1: gets funny episode. It was like watch your bassis, watch
Speaker 1: your back, just watch your back. I was like, well, jeez,
Speaker 1: that sounds very bitter. Why are they saying that? No? Okay,
Speaker 1: but I found out, didn't I found out because you know,
Speaker 1: you know, everybody knows was a nice guy with us
Speaker 1: when he hung out with us, hanging out nice he
Speaker 1: was with us. Prince Prince looked, you know, ship man.
Speaker 1: I did one interview in the BBC and they asked
Speaker 1: me to tell truth and I did and the Prince
Speaker 1: his name called me, huh what's his name? Oh? Kirk
Speaker 1: Kirk right, that's right right, calling out like that. It
Speaker 1: wasn't even Kirk, It was just the legions of the
Speaker 1: same for me, right. Yeah. I was like, dude, seriously,
Speaker 1: slow your role because first of all, you don't even
Speaker 1: know when okay, fuck you? So like, you know, I
Speaker 1: told her truth? You believe what you wanta believe, but
Speaker 1: back yeah, so you know, so I'm vaguely aware. So
Speaker 1: basically over the soul Sanctuary song that was on Emancipation.
Speaker 1: Five songs off that record, he took five, So wait
Speaker 1: what else? There was one that ended up on Shocks
Speaker 1: Come to My House album. He gave me your legs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll never open my legs yet. And then his motherfucker
Speaker 1: telling me, He's like, yeah, we're gonna have to change
Speaker 1: the titen on that because that's the one who gave
Speaker 1: me credit on. And he was like, well that in
Speaker 1: the Sanctuary. I say, why, I said, because you know,
Speaker 1: a woman shouldn't be saying. I'm like, I said, right,
Speaker 1: you wrote head right. But he was a Jehovah's witness
Speaker 1: at that point, so he was I was so like,
Speaker 1: I was so like that, like fifteen year ago, Prince,
Speaker 1: I want to work Yeah, nineties six to two thousand
Speaker 1: four that that that that was that period and I
Speaker 1: was messing with him, and you know, he was all
Speaker 1: in that that mode and I was. I remember the
Speaker 1: very first time I met him, I came to the studio,
Speaker 1: I had like you, I was just in the still
Speaker 1: my crystals, and you know, I said my most and
Speaker 1: he must have thought that was some juju. You know,
Speaker 1: that was all like against everything the witnesses was about.
Speaker 1: You know, minute, that's the first time you met him.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? We met him in uh not.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean as far as to work with, okay,
Speaker 1: but I mean I mean he was a big family
Speaker 1: stand fan. I love you. I'm going to say that
Speaker 1: I too used to laugh at all crystal carrying people.
Speaker 1: But you know I see you right now. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just start using those crystals for theodorant. That's usually
Speaker 1: I don't do that. I don't do that. I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't every using the secret everybody has.
Speaker 1: I just don't because I've seen, you know, the term.
Speaker 1: As as for me and my house, we will serve
Speaker 1: the Lord. It ain't my house no more. You need
Speaker 1: to tell her to get Some times they made like
Speaker 1: a charcoal john at it's a little bit stronger. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm using charcoal, twocaste, charcoal soup. Come on, come on, sorry,
Speaker 1: this girl once year she used the pebble. I told you,
Speaker 1: like for the deodorant, the pebble, Yeah, I told her.
Speaker 1: She better get a rock at something working not sorry
Speaker 1: Brooker lines won't let me inslt them. Yeah. When she's
Speaker 1: not looking, though, I sneak and get the uncented it's
Speaker 1: really been expecting. I was about to say, do you
Speaker 1: guys feels though we're respecting your history. I feel like
Speaker 1: this is such were the best ever? Whatever is happy,
Speaker 1: This is the best one ever, the best one. This
Speaker 1: is the best. Now I'm thinking about questions I didn't ask,
Speaker 1: which is time? How did no, we'll let you go
Speaker 1: because we take your time. Take your time, Hey, Jimmy
Speaker 1: jam times all right that we're gonna go for his record? Um?
Speaker 1: How did the suggestion of uh Nellie and Jazzy b
Speaker 1: remixing Ghetto Heaven to be Merlin Merlin Bob? Yeah, because
Speaker 1: Merlin was spending a lot, so he knew these guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he said Jazzy B. But you know, and of course
Speaker 1: it was nearly Hooper who did did the real work.
Speaker 1: Well that's I mean, that's always the case, like there's
Speaker 1: we know, someone sells the product and someone does the work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jimmy's Jimmy, what's that Jimmy dr jelly Bean? But he
Speaker 1: does he had people I mean a lot of people
Speaker 1: did stuff. Man. Yeah, you just you're leasing kind of
Speaker 1: brilliant though you're leasing the name recognizability. That's all good.
Speaker 1: And the thing is the interesting thing about that is
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people thought we were from London.
Speaker 1: They I just had to correct you were from London.
Speaker 1: I love British soul. I'm like, yeah, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: At the time, we didn't look like we were from No.
Speaker 1: Ya definitely thought you were part of like Young Disciples
Speaker 1: who it wasn't and it wasn't on purpose thing. I
Speaker 1: just think it was just from a headspace. Literally came
Speaker 1: out in eighty nine at first the Ghetto Heaven, and
Speaker 1: it was just nothing. We were conscious of it, but
Speaker 1: it was just we were moving forward and whatever was
Speaker 1: happening there, we just knew that. Yeah, because we were
Speaker 1: we were doing some different on well on the label.
Speaker 1: I mean, we made a conscious decision when we were
Speaker 1: doing the video Forghetto Heaven to have some donskin black
Speaker 1: women with big butts and locks. That was a conscious
Speaker 1: decision because everybody's walking around with javy curls, and I
Speaker 1: mean we said, no, we want specific things two in
Speaker 1: this video that people need to see. There's another h
Speaker 1: thing I want to bring up, the amount of underhanded
Speaker 1: uh kind of not subversive but ninky snark and the
Speaker 1: lyrical content of your record. Now you see where it's
Speaker 1: which I'll be talking about all over. And the thing
Speaker 1: is is that, did you guys ever worry about any
Speaker 1: particular blowback from never gave a ship? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: when we did Mooned Scorpio, that was we just did
Speaker 1: not give a funk we did after that because we didn't.
Speaker 1: We weren't even letting the record company here ship when
Speaker 1: we were doing it because at that point we was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: y'all ain't promoting us anyway. We're gonna do what we
Speaker 1: want to do. So did you guys even like were
Speaker 1: you testing the label like, oh, we could just talk
Speaker 1: about you ever was testing that we didn't give a fuck?
Speaker 1: I just think that, Yeah, Well, the thing is this,
Speaker 1: I think we snuck up on them in the way
Speaker 1: and that was I don't even don't know if it
Speaker 1: was conscious. It's hard to know at this point, but
Speaker 1: is that it would be it stood out just to
Speaker 1: be a producer's album, but we knew we wanted to
Speaker 1: be a band, and so what and and so there
Speaker 1: was a hint of that on chain, but by time,
Speaker 1: like Jeff said, we got to move to scorpios like
Speaker 1: this is what it is. And as long as you know,
Speaker 1: as long as you really know that you're telling the truth,
Speaker 1: then people can say why do you? All I can
Speaker 1: say to you is why did you tell that truth?
Speaker 1: You know? You know, you know you were and Plantation
Speaker 1: Radio like for example, on that album that was just
Speaker 1: you know, we realized that you know, you you you
Speaker 1: your bad could be dope. This person can be dope.
Speaker 1: If you're black, you do something alternative, you need your
Speaker 1: Christopher Columbus to discover you or and so you can
Speaker 1: be on and me put on the seat these look
Speaker 1: you know. So so we just there's a whole lot
Speaker 1: of facade to that whole thing. As you know, you've
Speaker 1: lived that, you've been doing it so right. We were
Speaker 1: talking about Sondra going solo, so I thought be a
Speaker 1: good time to talk about the album that you guys
Speaker 1: did without her connected I forgot about Jack. Yeahah, I
Speaker 1: understand that didn't exactly work out too musically, it was
Speaker 1: it was it was worked out well, but because I
Speaker 1: was so accepted, I see somethings on YouTube to be
Speaker 1: like I didn't even like the singer. That wasn't true.
Speaker 1: We we love jack We actually had a you know,
Speaker 1: a really good relationship with her. I think the only
Speaker 1: issue was maybe her concept of what of the rock
Speaker 1: thing or whatever that in her mind was at the time.
Speaker 1: Maybe it wasn't. It wasn't so much as naturally internalized
Speaker 1: as it was with Sandra. But um so it almost
Speaker 1: like it was kind of put together in a way
Speaker 1: that was kind of quick. So maybe there wasn't enough
Speaker 1: time to build so much the natural rapport having. But
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that, like what I'm witnessing here
Speaker 1: is like some hard glue trotters looked hands. Yeah, chemistry
Speaker 1: here that you would have to actually build. Did you
Speaker 1: guys know Jackie from before was no, Yeah, we didn't,
Speaker 1: we did. We was was was you know, grab it,
Speaker 1: make it last forever girl and wanted to. I didn't
Speaker 1: even realize that she had done that. I mean, she
Speaker 1: kind of kept talking. I swear to god, you got
Speaker 1: to meet each other, yeah, because I was like I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I was like totally oblivious to what she had done before.
Speaker 1: And I, you know, yeah, so you missed her album
Speaker 1: on m c A. So yeah, because it was just matter.
Speaker 1: It was it maybe a music Wait, did I miss
Speaker 1: another classic? I'm just sorry was the wrong record for
Speaker 1: jacking mcgeese. But my god, think you know what I
Speaker 1: now know I want all right, you know, like it's
Speaker 1: my dream for you and Fante to at least have
Speaker 1: like a minute review thing now when this is Sanders
Speaker 1: to join this because her eyes, the level of her
Speaker 1: eyes or shaking out of the head and the eyes. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's only got to say up all I see, but
Speaker 1: all right back to Jackie. Yeah, yeah, so it was
Speaker 1: it was just really that. But we didn't have any
Speaker 1: really bad time energy or not at all. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was just I would just summing up like we
Speaker 1: just said the natural rapport and like what Mea said,
Speaker 1: it was just like this is like it's like basketball,
Speaker 1: he played with certain players. It's just a natural more fit.
Speaker 1: So it was more. It was more of that, but
Speaker 1: it was no really things, because you know, we would
Speaker 1: say we've said everything else. So at this point she
Speaker 1: was on some bullshit. No we love Jackie. She's yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got another record. I want to ask about Good
Speaker 1: Fellas sugar Honey iced tea. Oh yeah, yeah, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: didn't let any Cravit's kind of come out with a
Speaker 1: record like after that. I'm not sure it was after
Speaker 1: I remember because I was saying, wow, that sounds like
Speaker 1: sugar Honey. Was that first? I'm not sure. It's like
Speaker 1: Canada same Yeah, but sugar Honey, I see, was a
Speaker 1: few years after that. Yeah, my, But but so did
Speaker 1: we still from him? Neither women, so you know, we
Speaker 1: both stole from Al Green. So that's what that that's
Speaker 1: that's what that was about. Really it was. It wasn't.
Speaker 1: It was more like, uh, it was because there's certain
Speaker 1: periods and that I think I know at least year
Speaker 1: was that that was kind of flash kind of flashed
Speaker 1: back to like there's a certain period where I'm sure
Speaker 1: this happens to you know, to him, is that you know,
Speaker 1: you lock into a certain artist that you you always
Speaker 1: check out, you checked out like for a certain period time.
Speaker 1: I always grew up in a little bit like Stevie
Speaker 1: and Hendricks, a whole lot different people in the Beatles.
Speaker 1: I have to bring it up because a lot of
Speaker 1: that stuff influences a lot of our stuff too. But uh,
Speaker 1: but it was and even I was into him in
Speaker 1: the seventies, I kind of rediscovered him and that was
Speaker 1: Curtis Mayfield. There was a period of time where I
Speaker 1: was like, oh and I just heard some yeah stuff
Speaker 1: like you know, you know, so uh, there was things
Speaker 1: in there. There's a song that we did on TAMIYA
Speaker 1: called Poetry. I wish they should have put out a single,
Speaker 1: but a poetry that was totally coming from Curtis Mayfield
Speaker 1: kind of standpoint. Like the beginning of it is it's
Speaker 1: light the grass that grows between the cracks of ghetto streets,
Speaker 1: relentless and right. That's another Joshua Nile, that motherfucker, that
Speaker 1: hip hop kid from Brooklyn. Yeah, how does josh now
Speaker 1: now now he's a retirement he I've read uh several
Speaker 1: interviews of comments about you working with Curtis and how
Speaker 1: your experience was. I read it it was very positive.
Speaker 1: Another fellow Dallas artists that we mentioned before, l Head rapper. Um,
Speaker 1: let me say something. I remember the first time I'm
Speaker 1: assuming we're talking about person. Yeah, yeah, you remember the
Speaker 1: first time we saw her. We went in my studio
Speaker 1: and she came on was it with Donnie Simpson and
Speaker 1: we were watching it. She came up with all these
Speaker 1: candles and ship, and he said, wow, she looked like
Speaker 1: her ship don't stink and now we can buy it
Speaker 1: for ship don't stink because like Vagina, right, what was
Speaker 1: that new Vegina? I thought that was looking for it.
Speaker 1: It's real, I was looking for it myself. I got problems. Okay,
Speaker 1: so look the thing was and this is early in
Speaker 1: our relationship, so it's like the first year I knew her,
Speaker 1: and man, she gave me the complete opposite of what
Speaker 1: it was like to work with Curtis. Okay, when did
Speaker 1: she When did she actually want? She did? Curtis produced
Speaker 1: a song for her on Eve's Buyou soundtrack that nineties seven.
Speaker 1: I think this is like, this might be the last
Speaker 1: nine months of his life is shortly well. New World
Speaker 1: Order was Quasi Possmate. That's the last album he was
Speaker 1: why judging me? I'm just here to monitor shipped for
Speaker 1: white people and report that to him. I said, I
Speaker 1: was going to shop with the word postumusic guy that
Speaker 1: he's he's the guy that once the president gets into office,
Speaker 1: he's the one that writes that bind and puts it
Speaker 1: on the when he when the President walked walked into
Speaker 1: the office and said, Okay, this is how the ship's
Speaker 1: really gonna go. That is you got you had your policies,
Speaker 1: but this is how ship really gonna go. Oh good,
Speaker 1: good good anyway, Yeah, but I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, you, Recurtis Mayfield, what was that like?
Speaker 1: What was it like? What was it light? And he
Speaker 1: was like he made me cry here and take after
Speaker 1: take after take after take and just beat down a confidence.
Speaker 1: And you know, he wasn't like, so what was it
Speaker 1: like working with him? Was it hard? Working? Was a task? No? Dude,
Speaker 1: was like, dude, I mean artists like, no, I mean,
Speaker 1: but but Curtis, Curtis he the thing was, this was
Speaker 1: the dude. But this a duet on New World Order,
Speaker 1: right and um uh called I Believe in You. They
Speaker 1: basically this is they wanted him to have a duet
Speaker 1: with somebody from old School and somebody from New School.
Speaker 1: So the Old School he had like Mavis and Aretha,
Speaker 1: he did duets with them on the record, of features
Speaker 1: with them on the record, and so they gave him
Speaker 1: three choices for the New School. So Curtis chose me
Speaker 1: out of America and Angie and the dude, I mean
Speaker 1: I literally did like two takes. You know, just was over.
Speaker 1: It was done. And then he was like after that,
Speaker 1: you know, we were we were close until almost you
Speaker 1: know the time he couldn't talk anymore. You know, he
Speaker 1: would call me. I would call him. He would support me,
Speaker 1: he would like build me up. He would you know
Speaker 1: when I was he would he would. He was like
Speaker 1: the sweetest mother fun. I mean, this guy Curtis didn't believe,
Speaker 1: you know, he just wasn't a fan because the dude
Speaker 1: was real. Man, he was so beautiful. He was a
Speaker 1: beautiful cat. So I don't know what she talked about. No, no,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you were storing my favorite beau. It's a
Speaker 1: beautiful dude. I don't know what she was going through.
Speaker 1: But he said Erica was saying, you know, Kurtis, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he didn't give me no shade. What's so whatsoever?
Speaker 1: Jeff whatsoever? Never went this night to Interet? Everything did
Speaker 1: he take? Then I'll tell you the rick James wait,
Speaker 1: oh give me James, which said, alcial order bit you
Speaker 1: got stories, I've got stories. Yeah. I started writing a
Speaker 1: book and I was like, I can't write this book.
Speaker 1: I was feeling too much. Team man, I kiss, don't
Speaker 1: drink no wine, drink wine. It's over. Everybody's tea is
Speaker 1: getting This should be the Christmas episode. Y'all drink episode.
Speaker 1: We get up and then we just yes, and then
Speaker 1: you were drinks for us. That was what I was asking.
Speaker 1: I was saying in the Netherlands. So I assume that
Speaker 1: we can do what we do here. Okay, you must have.
Speaker 1: You have to do what you do the grain house
Speaker 1: and the cops come on the bull. I'm just into
Speaker 1: CBD oils now, that's all. That's all just oils from
Speaker 1: my muscles. They're just from my muscle. Nowadays, I wish
Speaker 1: here because okay, what was I talking about, Brick James.
Speaker 1: Now this is a very early career story. It was
Speaker 1: before the Celo Chris is what I was singing background
Speaker 1: with Shocker for years. I got shock, We don't do that.
Speaker 1: That's my bubble. That's that's my bubble. When I was
Speaker 1: you know, I should live a Shocker you know in Germany, No, no, no,
Speaker 1: in in New yorktown, boyside. So we hang out time
Speaker 1: and you know do we do? And uh we went
Speaker 1: to Buffalo to hang out with it. We you and
Speaker 1: shock me shock. Oh my god, I don't think I'm
Speaker 1: gonna story stories Rob Jeremy coming to story? Am I
Speaker 1: going to need a lawyer for ladies? Do you know
Speaker 1: the visual? Do you know the visual of Eddie Murphy
Speaker 1: and boomerang the sheet over right? Now? Yeah? Okay, well
Speaker 1: you can always add it, I know, that's right. Went
Speaker 1: to Brick's house and what happened. So we had went
Speaker 1: to ris house, okay, and we was like high, right,
Speaker 1: and then we had like a bevy of babes, like
Speaker 1: you know, scantily clad all over the house, and you know,
Speaker 1: and it was just really all buffal buff I mean
Speaker 1: it was just who are who? Already I was young
Speaker 1: because I was like, what are they doing here? I
Speaker 1: was like nineteen, I mean it was ridiculous. And I
Speaker 1: was just in this house and yo, Shock was just
Speaker 1: taking me around it where you know, I was a girl, right,
Speaker 1: so and uh and and so I guess Rick was
Speaker 1: sick of all the other all the girls trying to
Speaker 1: get hits from him, so he took me a shock
Speaker 1: in the bathroom, right. So we were in Rick's bedroom
Speaker 1: in the bathroom. Okay, So this is this is like
Speaker 1: street songs throwing down. Here's this nineteen all right, So
Speaker 1: she did that song? Could did that song with Rick
Speaker 1: and eight Slow Dancing eighty three, that's just thank you.
Speaker 1: That's the year was eight three? Did she go up
Speaker 1: there to the least work on Slow Dancing? No sign
Speaker 1: the studio was up there. We went up there because
Speaker 1: it was free drugs. So he wants to joint. You
Speaker 1: know how much free drugs he was, Rick James, dammit,
Speaker 1: how much drugs your sons? Free drug When I saw
Speaker 1: the tour bus and saw with the cops were bringing
Speaker 1: stuff over, come on, y'all know Unsung gonna come knock
Speaker 1: you get me started on the song? Okay, then I'll
Speaker 1: be like, what's you saying? It's like, come on, I
Speaker 1: just told one story. So I might call her after this.
Speaker 1: She might hear about it to alcohol. It like to
Speaker 1: be like, listen, I told him Rick James story. I'll
Speaker 1: just give her, bitch, what's wrong with you? Why are
Speaker 1: you telling story? So so so we're up. So Rick
Speaker 1: brought us in the bathroom and in his bedrooms bathroom.
Speaker 1: You know it's beautiful, big mirror going to run around.
Speaker 1: It was black. It was black like marble and white tiles.
Speaker 1: So he had all this shout out of stuff laid
Speaker 1: out on the counter between the Saints, and it was like,
Speaker 1: you know, and I was in the middle here and
Speaker 1: Rick's there, and they were like, you know, preparing all
Speaker 1: the things, and you know, down they would pass it
Speaker 1: back forth. I don't need to see her hands right now,
Speaker 1: y'all didn't sell what's going on. I'm just I'm visualizing
Speaker 1: what was going on. And so, uh so as they're passing,
Speaker 1: you know the thing we're doing. So I said, so Rick,
Speaker 1: Rick keeps like Rick, he keeps like getting closer and closer,
Speaker 1: like from his mouth, you know, my close. And so
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, I take the hit, alright, fine,
Speaker 1: But then it was like that so and then I
Speaker 1: but I'm looking in the mirror and I'm seeing that, like,
Speaker 1: you know, her eyes getting like narrow. So and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is getting awkward, right. So at one point she
Speaker 1: just basically says, you know what, this my bits? Because
Speaker 1: I was thinking that, oh, but you she man. And
Speaker 1: then you know, he was like, this is my bitch.
Speaker 1: She's like with she in my house, she my bits.
Speaker 1: I was like wait a minute. First of all, like
Speaker 1: nobody and we're talking and then the fight. Jimmy, Jimmy,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, dog, you're not even in the top ten.
Speaker 1: I love you man, you me my top twenty five,
Speaker 1: top twenty five. Okay, like she sounds just took your
Speaker 1: your number one soul spot right now. Okay, just let
Speaker 1: you know. Remember I'm still the number one male. We
Speaker 1: gotta talk about that too. You gotta go by. We
Speaker 1: got a song about that on our next album, to
Speaker 1: um can I join the family stand And I thought, Johnny,
Speaker 1: he'll gave it up. Sign it on, Johnny, Gail. You
Speaker 1: can't burn only to monitorship the white dog. That's it.
Speaker 1: That's your job. That's it. Literally, that's all. Okay, Well
Speaker 1: let's let's bring some white people into into the people,
Speaker 1: like okay, yeah, that was that was great. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know this this canna be a boring story. Is
Speaker 1: a nice story. Yeah, we gotta have I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: to grow up and he hear Someboddy you know used
Speaker 1: to hear you know, when you're in high school and stuff,
Speaker 1: and they work with him. I mean, he was he realized.
Speaker 1: You know, it was just an excellent, great songwriting a
Speaker 1: special voice. You know, think about singing. You know, it's
Speaker 1: the main thing that makes any artists are singing great.
Speaker 1: It's just their tone. In special tone. They might be
Speaker 1: people can sing around this person and that person, but
Speaker 1: they had that special quality, and he had a very
Speaker 1: special quality to his voice. That's Daryl Hall just a great.
Speaker 1: It was really kind of boring and nice. No cocaine
Speaker 1: bed three sire, you know, that was like an animals
Speaker 1: I loved. I'm in a Philly move like in fact,
Speaker 1: that's like it's one of the songs that that renally
Speaker 1: pops in my head just like you know, I might
Speaker 1: be just walking down the street and I'll just hear, oh,
Speaker 1: you know in my head like they I'm in Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: And they played that a lot. They that replaced the
Speaker 1: uh Philadelphia gets to know us. Uh double I was
Speaker 1: about to say to double dead, but the paddle of
Speaker 1: bells theme like they Philly moved like, was like our good.
Speaker 1: They tried to make that the anthem of Philly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there is a question I have, all right, because uh,
Speaker 1: of course I cheated, And well I know about the
Speaker 1: on that you did for uh Ronnie Drayton's uh son
Speaker 1: uh and being as though Ronnie just recently passed away.
Speaker 1: Do you have any like I know that when he
Speaker 1: passed away, like a lot of the music New York
Speaker 1: music community, like, I felt that deep in the souls,
Speaker 1: like did you guys work with him at all or
Speaker 1: like have any seven spotes or any of those? No,
Speaker 1: he was on He was a guitar player that I
Speaker 1: didn't know he played, right, Yeah he did, Jamie, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's him. So I'm gonna describe what because the thing
Speaker 1: I've heard so many in passing, I meant he's coming
Speaker 1: to the show a few times to visit whatever, and
Speaker 1: it's always like, hey, what's up, how you doing? But
Speaker 1: I never really got to know him as a person
Speaker 1: or that sort of thing. And I know that was
Speaker 1: a hurt piece for New York City man because I
Speaker 1: knew Ronnie Drayton from back in the day when you
Speaker 1: know Mike Murphy and my friend La La you know
Speaker 1: La La car As Cope. She was she was a writer,
Speaker 1: writer she that worked with full force as well. Right, No, no, no,
Speaker 1: not that, but yeah, we all we all came up together.
Speaker 1: So me and Ronnie we knew each other from from
Speaker 1: back then. Mike Murphy with the system, we all Mike
Speaker 1: Murphy got me my first electric guitar, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: he got me that the one, the white one that
Speaker 1: I took on our first stor Let me can I
Speaker 1: ask a question? All right? Have you have you worked
Speaker 1: with the system in all Mike Murphy A little bit? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna get a note, but I have
Speaker 1: to ask this question. That's not your saxophone one, so glue?
Speaker 1: Was it on what coming to a coming to American?
Speaker 1: So okay, I don't think so, because that's the system.
Speaker 1: You know something I did so many sacks alo that
Speaker 1: I'm looking at. That's no, no number. It might be
Speaker 1: I don't know, Mike Murphy, not David singing. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm singing. Good public and checks for you
Speaker 1: not to know that that's you know, I just was
Speaker 1: one quick thing about Mike Murphy. Mike Murphy is uh,
Speaker 1: I just want to say this, and we worked a
Speaker 1: little bit. But he's one of the one of the
Speaker 1: two most underrated singers to me. Mike Murphy sings his
Speaker 1: assid and you know he's a friend, you know, but
Speaker 1: but he's so dope. I mean, he's his singing. He's
Speaker 1: just a great, great singing Fowler too. They all came up,
Speaker 1: all of them guys, you know, in the same crew
Speaker 1: because they're part of that that whole Jamaica funk. Speaking
Speaker 1: of Drayton. Bernard sang at the funeral Fowler, you know,
Speaker 1: and you know Burn not Fowler. He sings yes, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: saying at the Ronnie service, as did I and Jeff
Speaker 1: played and a matter of fact, what's your name just passed? Two?
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, two funerals they went to one from only
Speaker 1: next next it was like Jamaica Queen's well besides singing
Speaker 1: and for Jamaica, like what else did she she she
Speaker 1: did a solo record that you know, didn't do that
Speaker 1: great because you know people, you know if you heard
Speaker 1: for Jamaica and the next one she really thought it
Speaker 1: was Zack was like that. She was like, because she
Speaker 1: forgot she did. So she was like, wait, my plenty
Speaker 1: shock of story was when she was on the show
Speaker 1: and I was trying to ask her about Penny for
Speaker 1: it uh singing her at lips and snaps the power
Speaker 1: and she tells me the story that it was Shocka
Speaker 1: that was actually supposed to sing. Yeah, so they the
Speaker 1: power and she was just like, let me try to.
Speaker 1: I can't. Did they take take my gig for me? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's she taught us about her squad because best it
Speaker 1: wasn't there you It was like a few people that
Speaker 1: was in her squad. Just in case you feel like
Speaker 1: doing some records can tell you that. Do you know
Speaker 1: the true story behind? Since you already borrowed the name,
Speaker 1: do you know the true story behind congratulations? Do you
Speaker 1: know the story behind? I don't know what you know?
Speaker 1: That sounds dedicated to allegedly? Wait give it? Wait, Tom,
Speaker 1: didn't they verify it when they came on the show. Oh?
Speaker 1: I thought we had this conversation. We've had too many conversations.
Speaker 1: Didn't they verify it? I don't remember. Wait who is
Speaker 1: If you say it, I know who I could do it.
Speaker 1: Who is it? You're ready? Yeah? We never talked about that. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it was about the marri They were congratulating. She was
Speaker 1: see the other side in So here's the Bruce Willisen,
Speaker 1: here's the situation. Listen, listen, I'm gonna make it makes sense.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make it makes sense in two minutes. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make it makes sense. Okay, Now here's the deal. Uh,
Speaker 1: Don Johnson and Bruce Willis rolling tight in Hollywood, and
Speaker 1: they had a specific preference of the type of women
Speaker 1: that they like to get with, of the darker hue. Now,
Speaker 1: if you remember in that The Return of Bruno was
Speaker 1: was the name of the of his first albums, Motown record. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: his his move, He's on Motown. Uh. And the first single,
Speaker 1: the first single was, uh, respect yourself with the Pointer Sisters.
Speaker 1: If you remember him in June, uh saying duet together
Speaker 1: now I need to or not in need to. Bonnie
Speaker 1: kind of revealed this on the Pointer Sisters episode that
Speaker 1: that uh the reason and how that duet came to
Speaker 1: bees because they was messing with each other, and like
Speaker 1: Vesta was rolling tight with the Porter and Sisters kind
Speaker 1: of as their background singer slash friend or whatever, and
Speaker 1: so kind of it's like a double date situation, like
Speaker 1: Don Johnson and Bruce Willis and and Vesta got with Bruce.
Speaker 1: I think Vesta was Bruce was first messing with the
Speaker 1: most I've ever done this show at the same damn time.
Speaker 1: And George Johnson the interview was pretty cosper. Oh you'll
Speaker 1: be listening listen song That's one of my favorite episodes too,
Speaker 1: and so long story short, like you know, they had
Speaker 1: a thing going maybe he was on the log or
Speaker 1: whatever it was on the log and then you know,
Speaker 1: then Vesta and Bruce Willis and yeah, it's just sick
Speaker 1: because you need I'm trying to sacrifice. It's kind of
Speaker 1: well known in circles that congratulations the song is about
Speaker 1: Bruce that I don't didn't even care at this point
Speaker 1: who she's like, I was married to who I don't
Speaker 1: know right right right? I remember her? And who's that guy? Wait?
Speaker 1: Did I just killed the shelf? That was an interesting
Speaker 1: rabbit hole, but somebody wanted to know and I'm not
Speaker 1: wait wait, you mentioned that's his name, and I had
Speaker 1: to get that out. I felt like I had add
Speaker 1: something to the teapot. You ain't so, but that was
Speaker 1: I was. I was taking it, not giving, so you know,
Speaker 1: can't next, right, Yeah, did the ton of garter gard
Speaker 1: I played on all that stuff because they those guys
Speaker 1: with my boys, So you know, really, where was that
Speaker 1: studio recorded at? Oh my god, where was that studio?
Speaker 1: I can't even remember because we did a funky sensation that,
Speaker 1: which is to me, is one of the funkiest songs
Speaker 1: everyeah all that what are you playing on that? Playing hard? Playing?
Speaker 1: I actually did a solo on there that they didn't use,
Speaker 1: but I played hard in the horn section because me,
Speaker 1: Raymond Reid, Tyrone Cox and Mike Cousin l A. Blacksmith
Speaker 1: were part of the horn section and we used to
Speaker 1: do harn you know, harns for them all the time.
Speaker 1: Was the rhythm section of that, and this is the
Speaker 1: same people that did Heartbeat as well, or he was
Speaker 1: using a bunch of different people at the time. I
Speaker 1: can't remember exactly the whole rhythm section, but I played
Speaker 1: guitar and some of that stuff too, uh, because you
Speaker 1: know they were using they were kind of utilizing me
Speaker 1: to play a lot of instruments, like yeah, my friend
Speaker 1: um Bert Reid and Raymond Reid who was Crown Heights Affair, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: therese are my guys, you know, and I was I
Speaker 1: just remember going into studio with them. I was playing drawings, guitar, bass, keyboard,
Speaker 1: were doing a cover far out by the Way next
Speaker 1: album Yeah Yeah. One of my favorite songs of Yeah
Speaker 1: remembers on Instagram like five years ago of a little
Speaker 1: clip and then we haven't heard a bit of that
Speaker 1: since a man, because the hits keep on coming. Ever
Speaker 1: for y'all to finish that damn album. No, it's just
Speaker 1: you know an Actually there's another tidbit. Uh did you
Speaker 1: know a Jackson trumpet player that played in Crown Heights?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, you know he was a trumpet player.
Speaker 1: He's the one that actually got me introduced me to
Speaker 1: Keith Diamond and got me on the Billy Ocean record
Speaker 1: because we came up together and Billy was hanging with
Speaker 1: him and he said, uh, he needed he was looking
Speaker 1: for a sacks player to play on a new Billy
Speaker 1: Ocean records. He was like working for Jive Records. And
Speaker 1: Ajax said, oh, I know this guy played with and
Speaker 1: we grew up together. Jeff. He's bad dude, and that's
Speaker 1: how I got that gig. Just real quick, since you
Speaker 1: mentioned Billy Ocean, Um, have you ever run into Danny DeVito?
Speaker 1: No the video, I asked, because because Jeff also played
Speaker 1: the solo on Oceans When the Going Gets Tough video
Speaker 1: sas solo on all the songs that was a hit
Speaker 1: that I did the sax solo on all of those
Speaker 1: When the Going Gets Tough with what was the other
Speaker 1: one to Get Out of My Dreams, which Pete loved
Speaker 1: his peace favorite Bill That's the Stupidest with Me? You Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was, you know, and righteous Back, but it hit,
Speaker 1: so it was a hit. I mean, let's talk about
Speaker 1: some more songs that you've been on that people know
Speaker 1: and I probably didn't know that you were there, like
Speaker 1: Debbie Gibson's Only in My Dream. Yeah, yeah, play foolish
Speaker 1: beat already do this confession that I wish that I
Speaker 1: was what No, really, I'm yo. Sounds just hit me
Speaker 1: with the nick I will just own you. She was
Speaker 1: a sleeping the last problem, Like, what did you say, Tiffany?
Speaker 1: I was fourteen at the time and she was fifteen
Speaker 1: at the time. I was like, oh, some in my
Speaker 1: age making music and she was producing her own stuff allegedly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: shout out Tobie Gibson. Did you know if a Baker? Yes?
Speaker 1: I did. That's how I met because let me call
Speaker 1: it my guys, to bern and Reid Bron used to
Speaker 1: come to my house every day to do demos because
Speaker 1: he lived down record too. On the face you gotta
Speaker 1: did Corey solo record on the Face too? Yeah? We
Speaker 1: we Yeah, we produced Cories record. Uh so you're honorary
Speaker 1: black Rock. Oh yeah, we are people. Okay, can you
Speaker 1: explain to me what I knew the myth of it.
Speaker 1: I saw the logo everywhere, like was it meetings every Tuesday?
Speaker 1: Many musicians. I'm a BRC member, and yeah like this.
Speaker 1: I went to a few of the early meetings. But
Speaker 1: it's like Greg, that was Greg tape, Burner, Reid and Condemason.
Speaker 1: They started it. They started it, um. But you know,
Speaker 1: I mean the whole because black rock is such a
Speaker 1: small microcosmos, you know. Yeah, so all these bands we
Speaker 1: work and support each other, you know, and back certainly
Speaker 1: in the nineties when it was really thick, right, you know,
Speaker 1: it was like when you say support each other, that
Speaker 1: that to me sound like a nightmare of a guest list. Yo,
Speaker 1: just got fifty six people on guest so we try
Speaker 1: we tell people now as no guest let's don't even
Speaker 1: think about it. So, you know, because otherwise everybody, you know,
Speaker 1: everybody's family, so you can't have you know, all your
Speaker 1: extensive family, you know, filling up being the bodies in
Speaker 1: the in the paying seats. So was it just an
Speaker 1: idea of myth that or folklore that fourteen year old
Speaker 1: me ran away with like one day I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: into no because I mean, well, it's it's basically just
Speaker 1: sending an email and saying you and sending your music
Speaker 1: and saying this. If it was actually black rock, you
Speaker 1: could have just been an official official paying you know,
Speaker 1: oh yeah the d get inside it. Right. But then
Speaker 1: but then but then kind of got in it. But
Speaker 1: but the like you uh you did it then benefit
Speaker 1: from being abused at Black Rock Coalition logo and get
Speaker 1: the Black Rock Coalition support behind your gigs. And it
Speaker 1: was a thing. It was definitely and it still is
Speaker 1: a real thing. Black Rock Coalition is producing our you
Speaker 1: know shows that we're doing, you know, coming up. So
Speaker 1: I mean it is a very absolutely I gotta like
Speaker 1: when I first heard of it and it was like,
Speaker 1: oh you gotta send your dudes in and a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff. I thought it was like the Oval team, yo,
Speaker 1: the thing that the cool they take to produce some
Speaker 1: cool show. I mean, this did this we were part of.
Speaker 1: It was called the History of Our Future and it
Speaker 1: was at the Mets in September. It was crazy. It
Speaker 1: was it was packed, you know what I mean, it's
Speaker 1: like so um and our version of it was like
Speaker 1: a couple of hours from like you know, from it
Speaker 1: was Maggot brain covered. They didn't even get to that. No,
Speaker 1: it was it was I don't know how he was
Speaker 1: gonna try to do all this in a hundred and
Speaker 1: and what was this to be an hour? In forty minutes?
Speaker 1: Ship we almost die, but but she was on here
Speaker 1: like my Rainy and We'll actually started with with a
Speaker 1: drum circle and then like like slaves, early slaves, I
Speaker 1: mean through the history of music from yeah, from from
Speaker 1: Rainy to trap music. We didn't we didn't quite make
Speaker 1: it a trap. Actually stopped the family stand and Living
Speaker 1: Color episode and that's the future. That was Scorey still
Speaker 1: climbing the walls. We did a show with him once
Speaker 1: and climbed the scalfold duck. When you're on stage with him,
Speaker 1: he's awesome. Yea duck when you're on stage. I don't know.
Speaker 1: We still climbing scalfeld. Okay, but but he's next album
Speaker 1: with d When can't we expect that next album? Well,
Speaker 1: it'll be out by the summer, I'm pretty sure. Well,
Speaker 1: let me not say that. Let me say in for
Speaker 1: this year, you'll sound like the roots. Yea twenty years
Speaker 1: later Chinese Democracy Part two. You know you mean to
Speaker 1: follow up the Voodoo Part two? Oh, I got strange
Speaker 1: folks all the other night. Don't do that. I don't
Speaker 1: even don't even start. Someone's listening to this. I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna take no for another four. Don't give us excited,
Speaker 1: don't don't get people excited. Move I gotta be some
Speaker 1: of the clumsiest mother. I don't want this night to
Speaker 1: ever And yeah, just just get I don't even we
Speaker 1: didn't even really scratch the surface. We didn't even dip
Speaker 1: the tip. We didn't even get to talk about over there.
Speaker 1: All right, we'll just go one at a time and
Speaker 1: then we gotta wrap this episode up. This this is
Speaker 1: officially a double episode. You have a specific question, Well,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, Peter, any last words. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: has been a really pleasure and enjoy to sit down,
Speaker 1: you know, talk with you guys, and and uh and
Speaker 1: we're are doing a new album. And it started out
Speaker 1: it started with this that gig to b R C
Speaker 1: Less Uh September the met but and ended up like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: maybe we should do a couple of songs and maybe
Speaker 1: we'll just do an EP and now it's turned in
Speaker 1: two songs in the key of Lifetimes four and now,
Speaker 1: so it's the key they after life. So um, but
Speaker 1: we're working on it now and it's um, it's just
Speaker 1: cool and special stuff. But uh, but it really was
Speaker 1: out of more of active love than necessarily. You know,
Speaker 1: we're picking the band back together and then get our
Speaker 1: wheel chairs out and they're gonna be showy, bow to
Speaker 1: be funky, you know. So I see no wheelchairs or
Speaker 1: tennis now, Yeah, none of that in your future. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys seem just as healthier than right now and
Speaker 1: your fly as fun. I said that when I walked in,
Speaker 1: I was like, y'all going to where I shoot? I
Speaker 1: suppose shooting something that happened. I mean, everybody got something
Speaker 1: going on a special. I just want to say that
Speaker 1: thank you. Pe said, we really appreciate the love, and
Speaker 1: this is our first interview since we kinda got that,
Speaker 1: and uh, as far as I'm concerned, it's the best
Speaker 1: interview as far as I can remember that we we've
Speaker 1: we've done and I just love it. I'm just having
Speaker 1: that had a ball tonight. I don't want it. I
Speaker 1: don't really want it to end. But you know, appreciate this.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I mean they kind of covered territory.
Speaker 1: He talked about the album, and he talked about the
Speaker 1: vibe and what we're doing and where we come from it.
Speaker 1: And it's been up blast mixing it up with y'all.
Speaker 1: Y'all are a regular riot man. So it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: to be able to us usually get folks to just
Speaker 1: ask you just questions about so what if you got
Speaker 1: the heaven, what's gonna mean? What does that mean? And
Speaker 1: then and and that's pretty much the crux of the interview.
Speaker 1: This is like just a deep dive into all sorts
Speaker 1: of the crap. We are music, we are a sore
Speaker 1: we you know what I mean, we're like total music head.
Speaker 1: So I mean the music businessmen and you know, and
Speaker 1: so you mixed the experiences with the nerd nerd ism.
Speaker 1: This is what we got right now. This is a
Speaker 1: beautiful thing. Man. I appreciate you. Wait, I can't let go.
Speaker 1: You just give us one more story. I thought we
Speaker 1: would go back to the piano. I don't know about
Speaker 1: who well, you know, she on time and we were
Speaker 1: wet with chili pepper. I got it. I got it.
Speaker 1: I got it, I got it, I got it, I
Speaker 1: got it. I want you, I want you three to
Speaker 1: collectively decide. All right, I'm gonna starting with the bright Spot. Okay,
Speaker 1: what artists can you collectively agree? Was a joy to
Speaker 1: experience working with either writing with them or easy it's
Speaker 1: easy for me, you mean together or okay, we'll do three,
Speaker 1: give us you three? But see yeah but not okay,
Speaker 1: yes with family saying Stevie for sure, because I got
Speaker 1: to give him a note and he took it, which
Speaker 1: is like tell us, let us something to do. And
Speaker 1: he did it so amazing, he asked me, and I said,
Speaker 1: is it is that? All right? Right? It's like he
Speaker 1: was fumble and beautiful. No, do it again? And it
Speaker 1: was dope too. I was like, you know, I was
Speaker 1: tongue tied like the wind that I loved as a
Speaker 1: kid died. This man we were working, Yeah, he did
Speaker 1: you know the solo on where You Marry Me? Right?
Speaker 1: So I mean it's just speaking of Rick James. There's
Speaker 1: a Larry story. Do you know about someone did an interview,
Speaker 1: either it's Roy Ayres or Steve Arne where uh Mr Policeman?
Speaker 1: The last song that ends side one of Street Songs.
Speaker 1: How Rick was this abusive to Stevie, like motherfucker playing
Speaker 1: that ship like I'm no, no, no, no no no,
Speaker 1: like Rick James. Yeah, it's it's in Black Sport X
Speaker 1: that much. I know because I never paid it to
Speaker 1: Jenner police Man. Someone has that a hilarious I think
Speaker 1: Roy he was serious. Roy Ayers came in to do
Speaker 1: his solo at the end of Fire and Desire and
Speaker 1: tells the story of coming in at the tail end
Speaker 1: of the studio while Stevie was trying to nail his
Speaker 1: harmonica solo for Mr. Policeman, and how Rick was just
Speaker 1: berating him like horrible, do it again, and like Roy
Speaker 1: was wondering, like, wait, is he going to be this
Speaker 1: way to mean too with my solo? Like that sort
Speaker 1: of thing. So I'm glad to hear that. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know the song you're on of mine, dizzy, Yes,
Speaker 1: that's like so many people's favorite freaking song of mine.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, seriously, yeah, seriously take just just you take that,
Speaker 1: take that, you take that, you take that electric Yes
Speaker 1: with Mark Batson her Keys and and and Royer's Donald
Speaker 1: Bird and Connected. Thank you for it. A man at
Speaker 1: the time wasn't it. The track was more bare. I
Speaker 1: didn't realize that. Bird yeah, Bird and Roy. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: I will tell you one more friendly funny story. This
Speaker 1: is my last funny story. Okay for this evening. Okay,
Speaker 1: tell your voice guy, Yes, this is my end of
Speaker 1: the evening voice. So when I was on tour at
Speaker 1: Roy with Africa, and uh we had to you know,
Speaker 1: since and this is early this is before Shaka said.
Speaker 1: We're talking early eighties. Oh gosh, I'm aging myself. But
Speaker 1: so so we we you know, you had those little
Speaker 1: those little portable cameras that you you know this you
Speaker 1: can you take the whole camera and you turn it
Speaker 1: in and give you pictures. So we've been at the
Speaker 1: beach all day and uh so we came back to
Speaker 1: the hotel and I'm coming a room and I'm rent off,
Speaker 1: got my robot. I'm like, okay, I hope, who's who's
Speaker 1: coming to mind at this hour? And I opened the
Speaker 1: door and this Roy said, you still at your camera.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, he came, get camera. Okays, I gonna
Speaker 1: give camera, give it to him. Roy opens his trunks,
Speaker 1: snaps a picture of his than hands it back to
Speaker 1: me and runs down high. That's the story I wanted
Speaker 1: up getting ladies and gentlemen. Oh I hated singing that song.
Speaker 1: Did you watch the showing that song? You just brought
Speaker 1: that randomly song? We're sitting on the grass and had
Speaker 1: fire t shirt. Yeah. Does it sound familiar to you? Oh? No,
Speaker 1: we literally all we have a segment on the Tonight
Speaker 1: Show where we talk about songs that are funny, like
Speaker 1: do not play Uh, we made fun of poopoo la
Speaker 1: la this week. It's rare that we make fun of
Speaker 1: an established artist with a song, but yeah we we
Speaker 1: Yes in half of the Internet's like why yah? Every time?
Speaker 1: All right? Now, wait the antidote. Yes, you don't have
Speaker 1: to give the story. Who would you not like to
Speaker 1: work with? Ever? Again? I'm not. I got to end
Speaker 1: on something more positive. I can't. Are you looking at
Speaker 1: who is a difficult person? To? What job was hard to?
Speaker 1: She was? She was good? Like I know what you're doing?
Speaker 1: He thought, I was, Well it was nothing like that.
Speaker 1: Oh well, oh I just thought it somebody. But anyway, okay,
Speaker 1: I know you're talking about Oh are we okay? I
Speaker 1: know you're talking about but I refused to put what song? Okay?
Speaker 1: Oh I wasn't thinking of her. Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: forgot about her. Okay, I won't say artists, but what
Speaker 1: what song or project was hard to complete? See? But
Speaker 1: then again, I don't know this was difficult. I'm not
Speaker 1: giving reasons. I'm just saying that, you know, I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to enter through the back door to not make
Speaker 1: it sound like you're shooting on a particular artist. You
Speaker 1: know something. What song took a while too? Who's the
Speaker 1: biggest one? That one that comes to mind to me?
Speaker 1: But she was like really really nice person. But I
Speaker 1: remember me and Peter because she was so meticulous about
Speaker 1: her vocals, about what she wanted. It's like every s
Speaker 1: everything she wanted punched. You know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 1: Um Taylor No, not Taylor Dane, No, Tellor was good table.
Speaker 1: Um China Phillips. Oh well that wasn't difficult. No, that
Speaker 1: was difficulty. I remember, I remember because she wanted I
Speaker 1: remember her doing vocals and wanted every little note so
Speaker 1: perfect that I don't remember that. I remember that the
Speaker 1: one name that came up, and really it was one
Speaker 1: of the first projects we did together. And I would
Speaker 1: take responsibility to say it was more me than her.
Speaker 1: Was was Mickey Howard. But but that's because at the time, UM,
Speaker 1: come share my World era or this record a couple
Speaker 1: of songs that it was only because I like, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, working for singers, you have to some of them,
Speaker 1: you have to give them though sometimes some of them
Speaker 1: are just they really a vibe and just get them
Speaker 1: sing all the way down and I just tell them
Speaker 1: too much. Whitney was like, yeah, so with so with Mickey,
Speaker 1: I think it was more me just trying to kind
Speaker 1: of pinpoint it too much of her. She was the
Speaker 1: type of singer that just let her she wants. You
Speaker 1: coached Whitney vocals. No, Whitney, Mickey, you said, yeah, because
Speaker 1: I worked with think about you. You're on the first record,
Speaker 1: well you get good Love. No. I wasn't on that record,
Speaker 1: but I was in the student It's not of fact.
Speaker 1: I was in the studio when La La played her
Speaker 1: the song you know So. But I knew she was
Speaker 1: the type of singer that you had to let her
Speaker 1: sing things out and she could punch things in, but
Speaker 1: it was better if you let her saying multiple taste
Speaker 1: and she was just that kind of singing. If you
Speaker 1: kind of broke it up. She kind of broke the
Speaker 1: momentum of and you can kick your head and okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I only asked because like, yeah, vocals are a nightmare
Speaker 1: for me, and I hate what you mean doing vocals,
Speaker 1: producing vocals. I think maybe I'm just I'm trying to learn.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to learn to not be as stand office
Speaker 1: or whatever. So always have what I call a bad cop.
Speaker 1: You don't want to say things that you used to
Speaker 1: do that and you know I worked with So it's
Speaker 1: just like I always have a bad cop on standby
Speaker 1: for vocals. I'm creating the music, creating the song, creating
Speaker 1: the music engineering. Did I be a bad cop anytime? Trust?
Speaker 1: And that's however, What's love? Supreme ladies, dumming yo, I
Speaker 1: love it you guys, thank you so much, thank you.
Speaker 1: This was an amazing night. Thank you, Thank you. Will
Speaker 1: be a half a team Supreme to Steve. You still
Speaker 1: with us? Yeah, and let's stop the over Where's bad on?
Speaker 1: You really live in Neverland? Shows over, ladies and serious good?
Speaker 1: All right, we out a sugar Steve and Boss Bill
Speaker 1: Fontigolo and Bill Yeah totally, let's all just yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna join the family. Stand there join We will see
Speaker 1: you on the next go around. Thank you. This is
Speaker 1: a very special West Love Supreme on I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: Mm hm m hm course Love Supreme. It's a production
Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. For more podcasts for my heart Radio,
Speaker 1: visit the i heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever
Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows. H