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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Hey you guys, you know we were having too much fun, right?

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Speaker 1: You know it's fun when we're just going all over

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Speaker 1: the place. This is one of the most random, non

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Speaker 1: sequitur Quest Love Supreme episodes ever, probably even crazier than

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Speaker 1: the dess in Mirror episode. I will just say that

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Speaker 1: we're just going all over the place, and it's so informative,

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Speaker 1: so entertaining, and so hilarious. This just might be my

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Speaker 1: favorite episode of Quest Love Supreme ever. Yes, I'm going

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Speaker 1: on record, Jimmy jam I might have to break your heart.

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Speaker 1: You might be number two. This is probably one of

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Speaker 1: my favorite moments on this on this whole experience of

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Speaker 1: bringing you guys information. So, without further ado, this part

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Speaker 1: two of the Family Stand episode on Quest Love Supreme.

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Speaker 1: So we were on you. I'm sorry where you're ruly

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Speaker 1: rude interruptions like that? Um yeah, So I mean what

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Speaker 1: she said she said something that we we definitely should acknowledge,

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Speaker 1: which is, you know, Jimmy giving her the heads up

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Speaker 1: on a certain someone. Thank you for getting giving me

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Speaker 1: the heads up on Oh wait a minute, what happened

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Speaker 1: her solo recording which one Sanctuary album that Yeah, what happened?

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Speaker 1: Oh god? So what you left? You left? Well, I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying Maryland, Bob and Sylvia, but just to return

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Speaker 1: to them. Wasn't your solo project on? Okay, how what

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Speaker 1: time do we have? So? Um? Are we going to

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Speaker 1: be crying out to the story? Probably? No, No, it's

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Speaker 1: actually kind of funny when I look back. Was it

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Speaker 1: funny then? But so I was of course. So so

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Speaker 1: as a group with Atlantic, they were signed as producers.

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Speaker 1: It was going to be a producer's album, but then

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Speaker 1: he decided to make it just us. So then they

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Speaker 1: had to sign me in an inducement letter, right, so

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Speaker 1: I was signed separately. They were committed to five albums.

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Speaker 1: I was only committed to three albums. And after that

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Speaker 1: third album, we we saw that the label wasn't gonna

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Speaker 1: give us any real love, right. It was like they

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Speaker 1: were treating like do do so, so you know, we said, look,

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Speaker 1: let's just let's just take you someplace else. Your you,

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Speaker 1: your your deal was up. Let's go do basically fam

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Speaker 1: saying someplace else but just under your name. Okay, So

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Speaker 1: because I was free and that was fine, and so

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Speaker 1: I remember the meeting with me and our and our

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Speaker 1: manager Abby with Sylvie ruin and uh he Sylvie ruined Thal,

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Speaker 1: So just let us sit for us. I gotta I

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Speaker 1: gotta rep fante like you, he's crazy. I love it

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Speaker 1: that she's like original, she tells me the the whole time. Well,

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Speaker 1: so we're in the meeting and Abby's explaining to her.

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Speaker 1: So basically, we're here because Sandra's deal is up, and uh,

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Speaker 1: we just want to let you know that you have

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Speaker 1: first right of refusal, so you could, you know, pick

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Speaker 1: her up a solo artist or she's going someplace else.

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Speaker 1: And she was like, no, that's not true. That's not true. No,

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Speaker 1: when this one on for like three or four times.

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Speaker 1: She picks up the phone calls business affairs. Uh huh,

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Speaker 1: slam the phone. Now, oh she was mad. So she

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Speaker 1: This is when she was still you know Atlantic, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean attic can swear questions. Can I ask the

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Speaker 1: question though? So when you tell a label exact, a

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Speaker 1: label exactly, thank you, I'm black. Um, when you tell

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Speaker 1: a label exactly that was scary as fun, right, I'm

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Speaker 1: telling you this is the best episode ever. When you

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Speaker 1: tell them, look, can we can you let us go

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Speaker 1: because you know you ain't doing that for us? Okay

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Speaker 1: that it was a hostile thing. No, you can't say

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Speaker 1: it like that. Wrote the most humbling letter ever. Jimmy

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Speaker 1: like Jimmy Ivy was crying at the end like that, sir,

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Speaker 1: you have all these platinum mars, like just at all? Right?

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Speaker 1: But why why the need to hang on? Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: and there's a there's an ego issue with some folks.

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Speaker 1: But if they so the fear of you having success

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Speaker 1: on another it would be egg on their face. Yeau.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't make it work, but they could. Now that

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Speaker 1: little searching. We're talking to Sony, We're talking to Epic,

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Speaker 1: Needa Baker, they had Tracy Chapman, he had Natalie Cole,

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Speaker 1: the go to Rory laughing. Oh stop, okay, see you

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Speaker 1: see what you see? What's this story? So so so

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Speaker 1: Bob Kress is like dope, and he's like, I've got

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Speaker 1: Back in the day, he sent me we had finished

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Speaker 1: the time. First it was Carol Chisman and Michael. He said,

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Speaker 1: So where is that? What was that meaning? Right? So

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Speaker 1: then I wrote her a letter that was going something

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Speaker 1: See I wrote her a nice lettuce in her candle. Girl.

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Speaker 1: That was like a girl, Hey, you know this is

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Speaker 1: Before Ghetto Heaven came out, we heard they showed us.

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Speaker 1: the Road where careers divide. But there was a there

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Speaker 1: did stuff. Man. Yeah, you just you're leasing kind of

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00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 1: brilliant though you're leasing the name recognizability. That's all good.

423
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: And the thing is the interesting thing about that is

424
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people thought we were from London.

425
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: They I just had to correct you were from London.

426
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: I love British soul. I'm like, yeah, here's the thing.

427
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: At the time, we didn't look like we were from No.

428
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: Ya definitely thought you were part of like Young Disciples

429
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: who it wasn't and it wasn't on purpose thing. I

430
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: just think it was just from a headspace. Literally came

431
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: out in eighty nine at first the Ghetto Heaven, and

432
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: it was just nothing. We were conscious of it, but

433
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: it was just we were moving forward and whatever was

434
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: happening there, we just knew that. Yeah, because we were

435
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: we were doing some different on well on the label.

436
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 1: I mean, we made a conscious decision when we were

437
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: doing the video Forghetto Heaven to have some donskin black

438
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: women with big butts and locks. That was a conscious

439
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: decision because everybody's walking around with javy curls, and I

440
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: mean we said, no, we want specific things two in

441
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: this video that people need to see. There's another h

442
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: thing I want to bring up, the amount of underhanded

443
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: uh kind of not subversive but ninky snark and the

444
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: lyrical content of your record. Now you see where it's

445
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: which I'll be talking about all over. And the thing

446
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: is is that, did you guys ever worry about any

447
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: particular blowback from never gave a ship? Oh my god,

448
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: when we did Mooned Scorpio, that was we just did

449
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: not give a funk we did after that because we didn't.

450
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,719
Speaker 1: We weren't even letting the record company here ship when

451
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: we were doing it because at that point we was like, Okay,

452
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: y'all ain't promoting us anyway. We're gonna do what we

453
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: want to do. So did you guys even like were

454
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: you testing the label like, oh, we could just talk

455
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: about you ever was testing that we didn't give a fuck?

456
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: I just think that, Yeah, Well, the thing is this,

457
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: I think we snuck up on them in the way

458
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: and that was I don't even don't know if it

459
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: was conscious. It's hard to know at this point, but

460
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: is that it would be it stood out just to

461
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: be a producer's album, but we knew we wanted to

462
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: be a band, and so what and and so there

463
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: was a hint of that on chain, but by time,

464
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: like Jeff said, we got to move to scorpios like

465
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: this is what it is. And as long as you know,

466
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: as long as you really know that you're telling the truth,

467
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: then people can say why do you? All I can

468
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: say to you is why did you tell that truth?

469
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: You know? You know, you know you were and Plantation

470
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: Radio like for example, on that album that was just

471
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: you know, we realized that you know, you you you

472
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: your bad could be dope. This person can be dope.

473
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: If you're black, you do something alternative, you need your

474
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: Christopher Columbus to discover you or and so you can

475
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: be on and me put on the seat these look

476
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: you know. So so we just there's a whole lot

477
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: of facade to that whole thing. As you know, you've

478
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: lived that, you've been doing it so right. We were

479
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: talking about Sondra going solo, so I thought be a

480
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: good time to talk about the album that you guys

481
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: did without her connected I forgot about Jack. Yeahah, I

482
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: understand that didn't exactly work out too musically, it was

483
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: it was it was worked out well, but because I

484
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: was so accepted, I see somethings on YouTube to be

485
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: like I didn't even like the singer. That wasn't true.

486
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: We we love jack We actually had a you know,

487
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: a really good relationship with her. I think the only

488
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: issue was maybe her concept of what of the rock

489
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: thing or whatever that in her mind was at the time.

490
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: Maybe it wasn't. It wasn't so much as naturally internalized

491
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: as it was with Sandra. But um so it almost

492
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: like it was kind of put together in a way

493
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: that was kind of quick. So maybe there wasn't enough

494
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: time to build so much the natural rapport having. But

495
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that, like what I'm witnessing here

496
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: is like some hard glue trotters looked hands. Yeah, chemistry

497
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: here that you would have to actually build. Did you

498
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: guys know Jackie from before was no, Yeah, we didn't,

499
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: we did. We was was was you know, grab it,

500
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: make it last forever girl and wanted to. I didn't

501
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: even realize that she had done that. I mean, she

502
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: kind of kept talking. I swear to god, you got

503
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: to meet each other, yeah, because I was like I wasn't.

504
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: I was like totally oblivious to what she had done before.

505
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: And I, you know, yeah, so you missed her album

506
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: on m c A. So yeah, because it was just matter.

507
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: It was it maybe a music Wait, did I miss

508
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: another classic? I'm just sorry was the wrong record for

509
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: jacking mcgeese. But my god, think you know what I

510
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: now know I want all right, you know, like it's

511
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: my dream for you and Fante to at least have

512
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: like a minute review thing now when this is Sanders

513
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: to join this because her eyes, the level of her

514
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: eyes or shaking out of the head and the eyes. Okay,

515
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: he's only got to say up all I see, but

516
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: all right back to Jackie. Yeah, yeah, so it was

517
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: it was just really that. But we didn't have any

518
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,959
Speaker 1: really bad time energy or not at all. I mean,

519
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: it was just I would just summing up like we

520
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: just said the natural rapport and like what Mea said,

521
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: it was just like this is like it's like basketball,

522
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: he played with certain players. It's just a natural more fit.

523
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: So it was more. It was more of that, but

524
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: it was no really things, because you know, we would

525
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: say we've said everything else. So at this point she

526
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: was on some bullshit. No we love Jackie. She's yeah, yeah, yeah,

527
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: I got another record. I want to ask about Good

528
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: Fellas sugar Honey iced tea. Oh yeah, yeah, wait a minute,

529
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: didn't let any Cravit's kind of come out with a

530
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: record like after that. I'm not sure it was after

531
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: I remember because I was saying, wow, that sounds like

532
00:33:52,760 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: sugar Honey. Was that first? I'm not sure. It's like

533
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: Canada same Yeah, but sugar Honey, I see, was a

534
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: few years after that. Yeah, my, But but so did

535
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: we still from him? Neither women, so you know, we

536
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: both stole from Al Green. So that's what that that's

537
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: that's what that was about. Really it was. It wasn't.

538
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: It was more like, uh, it was because there's certain

539
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: periods and that I think I know at least year

540
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: was that that was kind of flash kind of flashed

541
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: back to like there's a certain period where I'm sure

542
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: this happens to you know, to him, is that you know,

543
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: you lock into a certain artist that you you always

544
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: check out, you checked out like for a certain period time.

545
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: I always grew up in a little bit like Stevie

546
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: and Hendricks, a whole lot different people in the Beatles.

547
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: I have to bring it up because a lot of

548
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 1: that stuff influences a lot of our stuff too. But uh,

549
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 1: but it was and even I was into him in

550
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 1: the seventies, I kind of rediscovered him and that was

551
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: Curtis Mayfield. There was a period of time where I

552
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: was like, oh and I just heard some yeah stuff

553
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: like you know, you know, so uh, there was things

554
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 1: in there. There's a song that we did on TAMIYA

555
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: called Poetry. I wish they should have put out a single,

556
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: but a poetry that was totally coming from Curtis Mayfield

557
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 1: kind of standpoint. Like the beginning of it is it's

558
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: light the grass that grows between the cracks of ghetto streets,

559
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: relentless and right. That's another Joshua Nile, that motherfucker, that

560
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: hip hop kid from Brooklyn. Yeah, how does josh now

561
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 1: now now he's a retirement he I've read uh several

562
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: interviews of comments about you working with Curtis and how

563
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: your experience was. I read it it was very positive.

564
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: Another fellow Dallas artists that we mentioned before, l Head rapper. Um,

565
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: let me say something. I remember the first time I'm

566
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: assuming we're talking about person. Yeah, yeah, you remember the

567
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 1: first time we saw her. We went in my studio

568
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: and she came on was it with Donnie Simpson and

569
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: we were watching it. She came up with all these

570
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: candles and ship, and he said, wow, she looked like

571
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: her ship don't stink and now we can buy it

572
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: for ship don't stink because like Vagina, right, what was

573
00:36:53,800 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: that new Vegina? I thought that was looking for it.

574
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:14,479
Speaker 1: It's real, I was looking for it myself. I got problems. Okay,

575
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: so look the thing was and this is early in

576
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: our relationship, so it's like the first year I knew her,

577
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: and man, she gave me the complete opposite of what

578
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: it was like to work with Curtis. Okay, when did

579
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: she When did she actually want? She did? Curtis produced

580
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: a song for her on Eve's Buyou soundtrack that nineties seven.

581
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 1: I think this is like, this might be the last

582
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: nine months of his life is shortly well. New World

583
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: Order was Quasi Possmate. That's the last album he was

584
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: why judging me? I'm just here to monitor shipped for

585
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: white people and report that to him. I said, I

586
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: was going to shop with the word postumusic guy that

587
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: he's he's the guy that once the president gets into office,

588
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: he's the one that writes that bind and puts it

589
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 1: on the when he when the President walked walked into

590
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: the office and said, Okay, this is how the ship's

591
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: really gonna go. That is you got you had your policies,

592
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: but this is how ship really gonna go. Oh good,

593
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: good good anyway, Yeah, but I was like, you know,

594
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, you, Recurtis Mayfield, what was that like?

595
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: What was it like? What was it light? And he

596
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: was like he made me cry here and take after

597
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: take after take after take and just beat down a confidence.

598
00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 1: And you know, he wasn't like, so what was it

599
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 1: like working with him? Was it hard? Working? Was a task? No? Dude,

600
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: was like, dude, I mean artists like, no, I mean,

601
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: but but Curtis, Curtis he the thing was, this was

602
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: the dude. But this a duet on New World Order,

603
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: right and um uh called I Believe in You. They

604
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: basically this is they wanted him to have a duet

605
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: with somebody from old School and somebody from New School.

606
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 1: So the Old School he had like Mavis and Aretha,

607
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: he did duets with them on the record, of features

608
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 1: with them on the record, and so they gave him

609
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: three choices for the New School. So Curtis chose me

610
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: out of America and Angie and the dude, I mean

611
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: I literally did like two takes. You know, just was over.

612
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: It was done. And then he was like after that,

613
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: you know, we were we were close until almost you

614
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: know the time he couldn't talk anymore. You know, he

615
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: would call me. I would call him. He would support me,

616
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 1: he would like build me up. He would you know

617
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: when I was he would he would. He was like

618
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: the sweetest mother fun. I mean, this guy Curtis didn't believe,

619
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: you know, he just wasn't a fan because the dude

620
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: was real. Man, he was so beautiful. He was a

621
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: beautiful cat. So I don't know what she talked about. No, no,

622
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: I'm glad you were storing my favorite beau. It's a

623
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: beautiful dude. I don't know what she was going through.

624
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 1: But he said Erica was saying, you know, Kurtis, Yeah,

625
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: but he didn't give me no shade. What's so whatsoever?

626
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: Jeff whatsoever? Never went this night to Interet? Everything did

627
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: he take? Then I'll tell you the rick James wait,

628
00:40:52,360 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: oh give me James, which said, alcial order bit you

629
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: got stories, I've got stories. Yeah. I started writing a

630
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 1: book and I was like, I can't write this book.

631
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: I was feeling too much. Team man, I kiss, don't

632
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 1: drink no wine, drink wine. It's over. Everybody's tea is

633
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 1: getting This should be the Christmas episode. Y'all drink episode.

634
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: We get up and then we just yes, and then

635
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: you were drinks for us. That was what I was asking.

636
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: I was saying in the Netherlands. So I assume that

637
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: we can do what we do here. Okay, you must have.

638
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: You have to do what you do the grain house

639
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 1: and the cops come on the bull. I'm just into

640
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: CBD oils now, that's all. That's all just oils from

641
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: my muscles. They're just from my muscle. Nowadays, I wish

642
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: here because okay, what was I talking about, Brick James.

643
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: Now this is a very early career story. It was

644
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 1: before the Celo Chris is what I was singing background

645
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: with Shocker for years. I got shock, We don't do that.

646
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: That's my bubble. That's that's my bubble. When I was

647
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: you know, I should live a Shocker you know in Germany, No, no, no,

648
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: in in New yorktown, boyside. So we hang out time

649
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: and you know do we do? And uh we went

650
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: to Buffalo to hang out with it. We you and

651
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: shock me shock. Oh my god, I don't think I'm

652
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: gonna story stories Rob Jeremy coming to story? Am I

653
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: going to need a lawyer for ladies? Do you know

654
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: the visual? Do you know the visual of Eddie Murphy

655
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 1: and boomerang the sheet over right? Now? Yeah? Okay, well

656
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: you can always add it, I know, that's right. Went

657
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: to Brick's house and what happened. So we had went

658
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: to ris house, okay, and we was like high, right,

659
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: and then we had like a bevy of babes, like

660
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 1: you know, scantily clad all over the house, and you know,

661
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: and it was just really all buffal buff I mean

662
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: it was just who are who? Already I was young

663
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: because I was like, what are they doing here? I

664
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: was like nineteen, I mean it was ridiculous. And I

665
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: was just in this house and yo, Shock was just

666
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: taking me around it where you know, I was a girl, right,

667
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: so and uh and and so I guess Rick was

668
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: sick of all the other all the girls trying to

669
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 1: get hits from him, so he took me a shock

670
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 1: in the bathroom, right. So we were in Rick's bedroom

671
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: in the bathroom. Okay, So this is this is like

672
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: street songs throwing down. Here's this nineteen all right, So

673
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: she did that song? Could did that song with Rick

674
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 1: and eight Slow Dancing eighty three, that's just thank you.

675
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: That's the year was eight three? Did she go up

676
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: there to the least work on Slow Dancing? No sign

677
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: the studio was up there. We went up there because

678
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: it was free drugs. So he wants to joint. You

679
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: know how much free drugs he was, Rick James, dammit,

680
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: how much drugs your sons? Free drug When I saw

681
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 1: the tour bus and saw with the cops were bringing

682
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: stuff over, come on, y'all know Unsung gonna come knock

683
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: you get me started on the song? Okay, then I'll

684
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: be like, what's you saying? It's like, come on, I

685
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: just told one story. So I might call her after this.

686
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: She might hear about it to alcohol. It like to

687
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: be like, listen, I told him Rick James story. I'll

688
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: just give her, bitch, what's wrong with you? Why are

689
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: you telling story? So so so we're up. So Rick

690
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: brought us in the bathroom and in his bedrooms bathroom.

691
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,479
Speaker 1: You know it's beautiful, big mirror going to run around.

692
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: It was black. It was black like marble and white tiles.

693
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,919
Speaker 1: So he had all this shout out of stuff laid

694
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: out on the counter between the Saints, and it was like,

695
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: you know, and I was in the middle here and

696
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: Rick's there, and they were like, you know, preparing all

697
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: the things, and you know, down they would pass it

698
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: back forth. I don't need to see her hands right now,

699
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: y'all didn't sell what's going on. I'm just I'm visualizing

700
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: what was going on. And so, uh so as they're passing,

701
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: you know the thing we're doing. So I said, so Rick,

702
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 1: Rick keeps like Rick, he keeps like getting closer and closer,

703
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: like from his mouth, you know, my close. And so

704
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, I take the hit, alright, fine,

705
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: But then it was like that so and then I

706
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: but I'm looking in the mirror and I'm seeing that, like,

707
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: you know, her eyes getting like narrow. So and I'm like, oh,

708
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: this is getting awkward, right. So at one point she

709
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: just basically says, you know what, this my bits? Because

710
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 1: I was thinking that, oh, but you she man. And

711
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: then you know, he was like, this is my bitch.

712
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: She's like with she in my house, she my bits.

713
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: I was like wait a minute. First of all, like

714
00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 1: nobody and we're talking and then the fight. Jimmy, Jimmy,

715
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, dog, you're not even in the top ten.

716
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: I love you man, you me my top twenty five,

717
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: top twenty five. Okay, like she sounds just took your

718
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: your number one soul spot right now. Okay, just let

719
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: you know. Remember I'm still the number one male. We

720
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: gotta talk about that too. You gotta go by. We

721
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: got a song about that on our next album, to

722
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:57,760
Speaker 1: um can I join the family stand And I thought, Johnny,

723
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: he'll gave it up. Sign it on, Johnny, Gail. You

724
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: can't burn only to monitorship the white dog. That's it.

725
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: That's your job. That's it. Literally, that's all. Okay, Well

726
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,439
Speaker 1: let's let's bring some white people into into the people,

727
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: like okay, yeah, that was that was great. I mean,

728
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: you know this this canna be a boring story. Is

729
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: a nice story. Yeah, we gotta have I mean, you know,

730
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: to grow up and he hear Someboddy you know used

731
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 1: to hear you know, when you're in high school and stuff,

732
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: and they work with him. I mean, he was he realized.

733
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: You know, it was just an excellent, great songwriting a

734
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: special voice. You know, think about singing. You know, it's

735
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: the main thing that makes any artists are singing great.

736
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: It's just their tone. In special tone. They might be

737
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: people can sing around this person and that person, but

738
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: they had that special quality, and he had a very

739
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: special quality to his voice. That's Daryl Hall just a great.

740
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: It was really kind of boring and nice. No cocaine

741
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: bed three sire, you know, that was like an animals

742
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: I loved. I'm in a Philly move like in fact,

743
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: that's like it's one of the songs that that renally

744
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: pops in my head just like you know, I might

745
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: be just walking down the street and I'll just hear, oh,

746
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: you know in my head like they I'm in Philadelphia.

747
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: And they played that a lot. They that replaced the

748
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: uh Philadelphia gets to know us. Uh double I was

749
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: about to say to double dead, but the paddle of

750
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: bells theme like they Philly moved like, was like our good.

751
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: They tried to make that the anthem of Philly. Yeah,

752
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: there is a question I have, all right, because uh,

753
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: of course I cheated, And well I know about the

754
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: on that you did for uh Ronnie Drayton's uh son

755
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,919
Speaker 1: uh and being as though Ronnie just recently passed away.

756
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: Do you have any like I know that when he

757
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: passed away, like a lot of the music New York

758
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: music community, like, I felt that deep in the souls,

759
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: like did you guys work with him at all or

760
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 1: like have any seven spotes or any of those? No,

761
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: he was on He was a guitar player that I

762
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: didn't know he played, right, Yeah he did, Jamie, Yeah, yeah,

763
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 1: that's him. So I'm gonna describe what because the thing

764
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 1: I've heard so many in passing, I meant he's coming

765
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: to the show a few times to visit whatever, and

766
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: it's always like, hey, what's up, how you doing? But

767
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: I never really got to know him as a person

768
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: or that sort of thing. And I know that was

769
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: a hurt piece for New York City man because I

770
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 1: knew Ronnie Drayton from back in the day when you

771
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: know Mike Murphy and my friend La La you know

772
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 1: La La car As Cope. She was she was a writer,

773
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: writer she that worked with full force as well. Right, No, no, no,

774
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 1: not that, but yeah, we all we all came up together.

775
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: So me and Ronnie we knew each other from from

776
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: back then. Mike Murphy with the system, we all Mike

777
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: Murphy got me my first electric guitar, you know, yeah,

778
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: he got me that the one, the white one that

779
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: I took on our first stor Let me can I

780
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: ask a question? All right? Have you have you worked

781
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:49,919
Speaker 1: with the system in all Mike Murphy A little bit? Yeah,

782
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna get a note, but I have

783
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: to ask this question. That's not your saxophone one, so glue?

784
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: Was it on what coming to a coming to American?

785
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: So okay, I don't think so, because that's the system.

786
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: You know something I did so many sacks alo that

787
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: I'm looking at. That's no, no number. It might be

788
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, Mike Murphy, not David singing. Yes, yes,

789
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: that's what I'm singing. Good public and checks for you

790
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: not to know that that's you know, I just was

791
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: one quick thing about Mike Murphy. Mike Murphy is uh,

792
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: I just want to say this, and we worked a

793
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: little bit. But he's one of the one of the

794
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: two most underrated singers to me. Mike Murphy sings his

795
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: assid and you know he's a friend, you know, but

796
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: but he's so dope. I mean, he's his singing. He's

797
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: just a great, great singing Fowler too. They all came up,

798
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,479
Speaker 1: all of them guys, you know, in the same crew

799
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 1: because they're part of that that whole Jamaica funk. Speaking

800
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: of Drayton. Bernard sang at the funeral Fowler, you know,

801
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: and you know Burn not Fowler. He sings yes, yes, yeah,

802
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: saying at the Ronnie service, as did I and Jeff

803
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,879
Speaker 1: played and a matter of fact, what's your name just passed? Two?

804
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, two funerals they went to one from only

805
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: next next it was like Jamaica Queen's well besides singing

806
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 1: and for Jamaica, like what else did she she she

807
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: did a solo record that you know, didn't do that

808
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 1: great because you know people, you know if you heard

809
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: for Jamaica and the next one she really thought it

810
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: was Zack was like that. She was like, because she

811
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 1: forgot she did. So she was like, wait, my plenty

812
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: shock of story was when she was on the show

813
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 1: and I was trying to ask her about Penny for

814
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: it uh singing her at lips and snaps the power

815
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: and she tells me the story that it was Shocka

816
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: that was actually supposed to sing. Yeah, so they the

817
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: power and she was just like, let me try to.

818
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,959
Speaker 1: I can't. Did they take take my gig for me? Oh? Yeah,

819
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: that's she taught us about her squad because best it

820
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: wasn't there you It was like a few people that

821
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: was in her squad. Just in case you feel like

822
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: doing some records can tell you that. Do you know

823
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: the true story behind? Since you already borrowed the name,

824
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: do you know the true story behind congratulations? Do you

825
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: know the story behind? I don't know what you know?

826
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: That sounds dedicated to allegedly? Wait give it? Wait, Tom,

827
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: didn't they verify it when they came on the show. Oh?

828
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: I thought we had this conversation. We've had too many conversations.

829
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: Didn't they verify it? I don't remember. Wait who is

830
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 1: If you say it, I know who I could do it.

831
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: Who is it? You're ready? Yeah? We never talked about that. No, no, no,

832
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 1: it was about the marri They were congratulating. She was

833
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,280
Speaker 1: see the other side in So here's the Bruce Willisen,

834
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: here's the situation. Listen, listen, I'm gonna make it makes sense.

835
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make it makes sense in two minutes. I'm

836
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: gonna make it makes sense. Okay, Now here's the deal. Uh,

837
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: Don Johnson and Bruce Willis rolling tight in Hollywood, and

838
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 1: they had a specific preference of the type of women

839
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: that they like to get with, of the darker hue. Now,

840
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 1: if you remember in that The Return of Bruno was

841
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 1: was the name of the of his first albums, Motown record. Yeah, yeah,

842
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:39,240
Speaker 1: his his move, He's on Motown. Uh. And the first single,

843
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:45,240
Speaker 1: the first single was, uh, respect yourself with the Pointer Sisters.

844
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: If you remember him in June, uh saying duet together

845
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 1: now I need to or not in need to. Bonnie

846
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 1: kind of revealed this on the Pointer Sisters episode that

847
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: that uh the reason and how that duet came to

848
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: bees because they was messing with each other, and like

849
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 1: Vesta was rolling tight with the Porter and Sisters kind

850
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: of as their background singer slash friend or whatever, and

851
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 1: so kind of it's like a double date situation, like

852
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:24,240
Speaker 1: Don Johnson and Bruce Willis and and Vesta got with Bruce.

853
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: I think Vesta was Bruce was first messing with the

854
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 1: most I've ever done this show at the same damn time.

855
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 1: And George Johnson the interview was pretty cosper. Oh you'll

856
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: be listening listen song That's one of my favorite episodes too,

857
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: and so long story short, like you know, they had

858
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: a thing going maybe he was on the log or

859
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: whatever it was on the log and then you know,

860
00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: then Vesta and Bruce Willis and yeah, it's just sick

861
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: because you need I'm trying to sacrifice. It's kind of

862
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 1: well known in circles that congratulations the song is about

863
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: Bruce that I don't didn't even care at this point

864
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: who she's like, I was married to who I don't

865
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: know right right right? I remember her? And who's that guy? Wait?

866
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: Did I just killed the shelf? That was an interesting

867
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: rabbit hole, but somebody wanted to know and I'm not

868
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 1: wait wait, you mentioned that's his name, and I had

869
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: to get that out. I felt like I had add

870
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: something to the teapot. You ain't so, but that was

871
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: I was. I was taking it, not giving, so you know,

872
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: can't next, right, Yeah, did the ton of garter gard

873
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: I played on all that stuff because they those guys

874
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: with my boys, So you know, really, where was that

875
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: studio recorded at? Oh my god, where was that studio?

876
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: I can't even remember because we did a funky sensation that,

877
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: which is to me, is one of the funkiest songs

878
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 1: everyeah all that what are you playing on that? Playing hard? Playing?

879
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: I actually did a solo on there that they didn't use,

880
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: but I played hard in the horn section because me,

881
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: Raymond Reid, Tyrone Cox and Mike Cousin l A. Blacksmith

882
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: were part of the horn section and we used to

883
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: do harn you know, harns for them all the time.

884
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: Was the rhythm section of that, and this is the

885
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: same people that did Heartbeat as well, or he was

886
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: using a bunch of different people at the time. I

887
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: can't remember exactly the whole rhythm section, but I played

888
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: guitar and some of that stuff too, uh, because you

889
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: know they were using they were kind of utilizing me

890
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 1: to play a lot of instruments, like yeah, my friend

891
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 1: um Bert Reid and Raymond Reid who was Crown Heights Affair, Yes, yeah,

892
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: therese are my guys, you know, and I was I

893
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: just remember going into studio with them. I was playing drawings, guitar, bass, keyboard,

894
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: were doing a cover far out by the Way next

895
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: album Yeah Yeah. One of my favorite songs of Yeah

896
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: remembers on Instagram like five years ago of a little

897
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: clip and then we haven't heard a bit of that

898
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: since a man, because the hits keep on coming. Ever

899
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 1: for y'all to finish that damn album. No, it's just

900
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: you know an Actually there's another tidbit. Uh did you

901
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: know a Jackson trumpet player that played in Crown Heights?

902
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, you know he was a trumpet player.

903
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: He's the one that actually got me introduced me to

904
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 1: Keith Diamond and got me on the Billy Ocean record

905
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 1: because we came up together and Billy was hanging with

906
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: him and he said, uh, he needed he was looking

907
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:05,959
Speaker 1: for a sacks player to play on a new Billy

908
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: Ocean records. He was like working for Jive Records. And

909
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: Ajax said, oh, I know this guy played with and

910
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 1: we grew up together. Jeff. He's bad dude, and that's

911
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 1: how I got that gig. Just real quick, since you

912
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 1: mentioned Billy Ocean, Um, have you ever run into Danny DeVito?

913
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 1: No the video, I asked, because because Jeff also played

914
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: the solo on Oceans When the Going Gets Tough video

915
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: sas solo on all the songs that was a hit

916
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 1: that I did the sax solo on all of those

917
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 1: When the Going Gets Tough with what was the other

918
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: one to Get Out of My Dreams, which Pete loved

919
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: his peace favorite Bill That's the Stupidest with Me? You Yeah,

920
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: that was, you know, and righteous Back, but it hit,

921
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: so it was a hit. I mean, let's talk about

922
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 1: some more songs that you've been on that people know

923
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: and I probably didn't know that you were there, like

924
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: Debbie Gibson's Only in My Dream. Yeah, yeah, play foolish

925
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 1: beat already do this confession that I wish that I

926
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: was what No, really, I'm yo. Sounds just hit me

927
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 1: with the nick I will just own you. She was

928
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 1: a sleeping the last problem, Like, what did you say, Tiffany?

929
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: I was fourteen at the time and she was fifteen

930
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 1: at the time. I was like, oh, some in my

931
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 1: age making music and she was producing her own stuff allegedly. Yeah,

932
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: shout out Tobie Gibson. Did you know if a Baker? Yes?

933
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 1: I did. That's how I met because let me call

934
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: it my guys, to bern and Reid Bron used to

935
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 1: come to my house every day to do demos because

936
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 1: he lived down record too. On the face you gotta

937
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 1: did Corey solo record on the Face too? Yeah? We

938
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: we Yeah, we produced Cories record. Uh so you're honorary

939
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 1: black Rock. Oh yeah, we are people. Okay, can you

940
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: explain to me what I knew the myth of it.

941
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: I saw the logo everywhere, like was it meetings every Tuesday?

942
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: Many musicians. I'm a BRC member, and yeah like this.

943
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 1: I went to a few of the early meetings. But

944
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: it's like Greg, that was Greg tape, Burner, Reid and Condemason.

945
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: They started it. They started it, um. But you know,

946
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 1: I mean the whole because black rock is such a

947
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: small microcosmos, you know. Yeah, so all these bands we

948
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 1: work and support each other, you know, and back certainly

949
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 1: in the nineties when it was really thick, right, you know,

950
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 1: it was like when you say support each other, that

951
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 1: that to me sound like a nightmare of a guest list. Yo,

952
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: just got fifty six people on guest so we try

953
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: we tell people now as no guest let's don't even

954
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: think about it. So, you know, because otherwise everybody, you know,

955
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 1: everybody's family, so you can't have you know, all your

956
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 1: extensive family, you know, filling up being the bodies in

957
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 1: the in the paying seats. So was it just an

958
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 1: idea of myth that or folklore that fourteen year old

959
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 1: me ran away with like one day I'm gonna get

960
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 1: into no because I mean, well, it's it's basically just

961
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: sending an email and saying you and sending your music

962
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 1: and saying this. If it was actually black rock, you

963
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 1: could have just been an official official paying you know,

964
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 1: oh yeah the d get inside it. Right. But then

965
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: but then but then kind of got in it. But

966
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 1: but the like you uh you did it then benefit

967
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 1: from being abused at Black Rock Coalition logo and get

968
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 1: the Black Rock Coalition support behind your gigs. And it

969
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: was a thing. It was definitely and it still is

970
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 1: a real thing. Black Rock Coalition is producing our you

971
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 1: know shows that we're doing, you know, coming up. So

972
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 1: I mean it is a very absolutely I gotta like

973
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 1: when I first heard of it and it was like,

974
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 1: oh you gotta send your dudes in and a lot

975
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 1: of stuff. I thought it was like the Oval team, yo,

976
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 1: the thing that the cool they take to produce some

977
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 1: cool show. I mean, this did this we were part of.

978
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 1: It was called the History of Our Future and it

979
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: was at the Mets in September. It was crazy. It

980
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 1: was it was packed, you know what I mean, it's

981
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 1: like so um and our version of it was like

982
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 1: a couple of hours from like you know, from it

983
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 1: was Maggot brain covered. They didn't even get to that. No,

984
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 1: it was it was I don't know how he was

985
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 1: gonna try to do all this in a hundred and

986
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 1: and what was this to be an hour? In forty minutes?

987
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 1: Ship we almost die, but but she was on here

988
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 1: like my Rainy and We'll actually started with with a

989
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 1: drum circle and then like like slaves, early slaves, I

990
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 1: mean through the history of music from yeah, from from

991
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 1: Rainy to trap music. We didn't we didn't quite make

992
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 1: it a trap. Actually stopped the family stand and Living

993
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 1: Color episode and that's the future. That was Scorey still

994
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 1: climbing the walls. We did a show with him once

995
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 1: and climbed the scalfold duck. When you're on stage with him,

996
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 1: he's awesome. Yea duck when you're on stage. I don't know.

997
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 1: We still climbing scalfeld. Okay, but but he's next album

998
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 1: with d When can't we expect that next album? Well,

999
01:05:57,080 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 1: it'll be out by the summer, I'm pretty sure. Well,

1000
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 1: let me not say that. Let me say in for

1001
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: this year, you'll sound like the roots. Yea twenty years

1002
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 1: later Chinese Democracy Part two. You know you mean to

1003
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: follow up the Voodoo Part two? Oh, I got strange

1004
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 1: folks all the other night. Don't do that. I don't

1005
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 1: even don't even start. Someone's listening to this. I'm just

1006
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 1: gonna take no for another four. Don't give us excited,

1007
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: don't don't get people excited. Move I gotta be some

1008
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 1: of the clumsiest mother. I don't want this night to

1009
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 1: ever And yeah, just just get I don't even we

1010
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: didn't even really scratch the surface. We didn't even dip

1011
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 1: the tip. We didn't even get to talk about over there.

1012
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 1: All right, we'll just go one at a time and

1013
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 1: then we gotta wrap this episode up. This this is

1014
01:06:55,600 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 1: officially a double episode. You have a specific question, Well,

1015
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, Peter, any last words. Yeah, this

1016
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 1: has been a really pleasure and enjoy to sit down,

1017
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 1: you know, talk with you guys, and and uh and

1018
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 1: we're are doing a new album. And it started out

1019
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 1: it started with this that gig to b R C

1020
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 1: Less Uh September the met but and ended up like, oh, well,

1021
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 1: maybe we should do a couple of songs and maybe

1022
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 1: we'll just do an EP and now it's turned in

1023
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 1: two songs in the key of Lifetimes four and now,

1024
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 1: so it's the key they after life. So um, but

1025
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 1: we're working on it now and it's um, it's just

1026
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 1: cool and special stuff. But uh, but it really was

1027
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 1: out of more of active love than necessarily. You know,

1028
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 1: we're picking the band back together and then get our

1029
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 1: wheel chairs out and they're gonna be showy, bow to

1030
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 1: be funky, you know. So I see no wheelchairs or

1031
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 1: tennis now, Yeah, none of that in your future. Yeah,

1032
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 1: you guys seem just as healthier than right now and

1033
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 1: your fly as fun. I said that when I walked in,

1034
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 1: I was like, y'all going to where I shoot? I

1035
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 1: suppose shooting something that happened. I mean, everybody got something

1036
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: going on a special. I just want to say that

1037
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 1: thank you. Pe said, we really appreciate the love, and

1038
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:22,600
Speaker 1: this is our first interview since we kinda got that,

1039
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 1: and uh, as far as I'm concerned, it's the best

1040
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 1: interview as far as I can remember that we we've

1041
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 1: we've done and I just love it. I'm just having

1042
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 1: that had a ball tonight. I don't want it. I

1043
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 1: don't really want it to end. But you know, appreciate this.

1044
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I mean they kind of covered territory.

1045
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:55,680
Speaker 1: He talked about the album, and he talked about the

1046
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:59,560
Speaker 1: vibe and what we're doing and where we come from it.

1047
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 1: And it's been up blast mixing it up with y'all.

1048
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 1: Y'all are a regular riot man. So it's like, you know,

1049
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 1: to be able to us usually get folks to just

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01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 1: ask you just questions about so what if you got

1051
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: the heaven, what's gonna mean? What does that mean? And

1052
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:18,639
Speaker 1: then and and that's pretty much the crux of the interview.

1053
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:21,719
Speaker 1: This is like just a deep dive into all sorts

1054
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 1: of the crap. We are music, we are a sore

1055
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 1: we you know what I mean, we're like total music head.

1056
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 1: So I mean the music businessmen and you know, and

1057
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 1: so you mixed the experiences with the nerd nerd ism.

1058
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 1: This is what we got right now. This is a

1059
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 1: beautiful thing. Man. I appreciate you. Wait, I can't let go.

1060
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:51,920
Speaker 1: You just give us one more story. I thought we

1061
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:53,599
Speaker 1: would go back to the piano. I don't know about

1062
01:09:53,600 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 1: who well, you know, she on time and we were

1063
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:05,720
Speaker 1: wet with chili pepper. I got it. I got it.

1064
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 1: I got it, I got it, I got it, I

1065
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 1: got it. I want you, I want you three to

1066
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 1: collectively decide. All right, I'm gonna starting with the bright Spot. Okay,

1067
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 1: what artists can you collectively agree? Was a joy to

1068
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 1: experience working with either writing with them or easy it's

1069
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 1: easy for me, you mean together or okay, we'll do three,

1070
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:44,759
Speaker 1: give us you three? But see yeah but not okay,

1071
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:48,599
Speaker 1: yes with family saying Stevie for sure, because I got

1072
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 1: to give him a note and he took it, which

1073
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,560
Speaker 1: is like tell us, let us something to do. And

1074
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:59,639
Speaker 1: he did it so amazing, he asked me, and I said,

1075
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 1: is it is that? All right? Right? It's like he

1076
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:06,720
Speaker 1: was fumble and beautiful. No, do it again? And it

1077
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 1: was dope too. I was like, you know, I was

1078
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 1: tongue tied like the wind that I loved as a

1079
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 1: kid died. This man we were working, Yeah, he did

1080
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 1: you know the solo on where You Marry Me? Right?

1081
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 1: So I mean it's just speaking of Rick James. There's

1082
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:35,559
Speaker 1: a Larry story. Do you know about someone did an interview,

1083
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:41,720
Speaker 1: either it's Roy Ayres or Steve Arne where uh Mr Policeman?

1084
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 1: The last song that ends side one of Street Songs.

1085
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 1: How Rick was this abusive to Stevie, like motherfucker playing

1086
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:52,560
Speaker 1: that ship like I'm no, no, no, no no no,

1087
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 1: like Rick James. Yeah, it's it's in Black Sport X

1088
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 1: that much. I know because I never paid it to

1089
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:05,680
Speaker 1: Jenner police Man. Someone has that a hilarious I think

1090
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 1: Roy he was serious. Roy Ayers came in to do

1091
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 1: his solo at the end of Fire and Desire and

1092
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 1: tells the story of coming in at the tail end

1093
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 1: of the studio while Stevie was trying to nail his

1094
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 1: harmonica solo for Mr. Policeman, and how Rick was just

1095
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 1: berating him like horrible, do it again, and like Roy

1096
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:31,800
Speaker 1: was wondering, like, wait, is he going to be this

1097
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 1: way to mean too with my solo? Like that sort

1098
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:37,680
Speaker 1: of thing. So I'm glad to hear that. I'm like,

1099
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 1: you know the song you're on of mine, dizzy, Yes,

1100
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 1: that's like so many people's favorite freaking song of mine.

1101
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:48,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, seriously, yeah, seriously take just just you take that,

1102
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 1: take that, you take that, you take that electric Yes

1103
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 1: with Mark Batson her Keys and and and Royer's Donald

1104
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 1: Bird and Connected. Thank you for it. A man at

1105
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 1: the time wasn't it. The track was more bare. I

1106
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 1: didn't realize that. Bird yeah, Bird and Roy. Yeah. But

1107
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 1: I will tell you one more friendly funny story. This

1108
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 1: is my last funny story. Okay for this evening. Okay,

1109
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 1: tell your voice guy, Yes, this is my end of

1110
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 1: the evening voice. So when I was on tour at

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01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:28,600
Speaker 1: Roy with Africa, and uh we had to you know,

1112
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 1: since and this is early this is before Shaka said.

1113
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 1: We're talking early eighties. Oh gosh, I'm aging myself. But

1114
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 1: so so we we you know, you had those little

1115
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 1: those little portable cameras that you you know this you

1116
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 1: can you take the whole camera and you turn it

1117
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 1: in and give you pictures. So we've been at the

1118
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 1: beach all day and uh so we came back to

1119
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:50,519
Speaker 1: the hotel and I'm coming a room and I'm rent off,

1120
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 1: got my robot. I'm like, okay, I hope, who's who's

1121
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 1: coming to mind at this hour? And I opened the

1122
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 1: door and this Roy said, you still at your camera.

1123
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, he came, get camera. Okays, I gonna

1124
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 1: give camera, give it to him. Roy opens his trunks,

1125
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:15,160
Speaker 1: snaps a picture of his than hands it back to

1126
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 1: me and runs down high. That's the story I wanted

1127
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 1: up getting ladies and gentlemen. Oh I hated singing that song.

1128
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 1: Did you watch the showing that song? You just brought

1129
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 1: that randomly song? We're sitting on the grass and had

1130
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:57,560
Speaker 1: fire t shirt. Yeah. Does it sound familiar to you? Oh? No,

1131
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 1: we literally all we have a segment on the Tonight

1132
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:04,960
Speaker 1: Show where we talk about songs that are funny, like

1133
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 1: do not play Uh, we made fun of poopoo la

1134
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 1: la this week. It's rare that we make fun of

1135
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 1: an established artist with a song, but yeah we we

1136
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 1: Yes in half of the Internet's like why yah? Every time?

1137
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:35,680
Speaker 1: All right? Now, wait the antidote. Yes, you don't have

1138
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:38,840
Speaker 1: to give the story. Who would you not like to

1139
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 1: work with? Ever? Again? I'm not. I got to end

1140
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 1: on something more positive. I can't. Are you looking at

1141
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 1: who is a difficult person? To? What job was hard to?

1142
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:01,720
Speaker 1: She was? She was good? Like I know what you're doing?

1143
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 1: He thought, I was, Well it was nothing like that.

1144
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 1: Oh well, oh I just thought it somebody. But anyway, okay,

1145
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:24,439
Speaker 1: I know you're talking about Oh are we okay? I

1146
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:30,639
Speaker 1: know you're talking about but I refused to put what song? Okay?

1147
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 1: Oh I wasn't thinking of her. Oh my god, I

1148
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 1: forgot about her. Okay, I won't say artists, but what

1149
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 1: what song or project was hard to complete? See? But

1150
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:52,400
Speaker 1: then again, I don't know this was difficult. I'm not

1151
01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 1: giving reasons. I'm just saying that, you know, I'm just

1152
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 1: trying to enter through the back door to not make

1153
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:00,640
Speaker 1: it sound like you're shooting on a particular artist. You

1154
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 1: know something. What song took a while too? Who's the

1155
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 1: biggest one? That one that comes to mind to me?

1156
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 1: But she was like really really nice person. But I

1157
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 1: remember me and Peter because she was so meticulous about

1158
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:23,640
Speaker 1: her vocals, about what she wanted. It's like every s

1159
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 1: everything she wanted punched. You know what I'm talking about?

1160
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 1: Um Taylor No, not Taylor Dane, No, Tellor was good table.

1161
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 1: Um China Phillips. Oh well that wasn't difficult. No, that

1162
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 1: was difficulty. I remember, I remember because she wanted I

1163
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 1: remember her doing vocals and wanted every little note so

1164
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:52,600
Speaker 1: perfect that I don't remember that. I remember that the

1165
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 1: one name that came up, and really it was one

1166
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:57,679
Speaker 1: of the first projects we did together. And I would

1167
01:17:57,720 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 1: take responsibility to say it was more me than her.

1168
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 1: Was was Mickey Howard. But but that's because at the time, UM,

1169
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 1: come share my World era or this record a couple

1170
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 1: of songs that it was only because I like, you know,

1171
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 1: you know, working for singers, you have to some of them,

1172
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:22,240
Speaker 1: you have to give them though sometimes some of them

1173
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 1: are just they really a vibe and just get them

1174
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 1: sing all the way down and I just tell them

1175
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 1: too much. Whitney was like, yeah, so with so with Mickey,

1176
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 1: I think it was more me just trying to kind

1177
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:35,640
Speaker 1: of pinpoint it too much of her. She was the

1178
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:38,040
Speaker 1: type of singer that just let her she wants. You

1179
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:43,679
Speaker 1: coached Whitney vocals. No, Whitney, Mickey, you said, yeah, because

1180
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 1: I worked with think about you. You're on the first record,

1181
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 1: well you get good Love. No. I wasn't on that record,

1182
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 1: but I was in the student It's not of fact.

1183
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 1: I was in the studio when La La played her

1184
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 1: the song you know So. But I knew she was

1185
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 1: the type of singer that you had to let her

1186
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:06,840
Speaker 1: sing things out and she could punch things in, but

1187
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 1: it was better if you let her saying multiple taste

1188
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:13,600
Speaker 1: and she was just that kind of singing. If you

1189
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 1: kind of broke it up. She kind of broke the

1190
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 1: momentum of and you can kick your head and okay, yeah,

1191
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:23,759
Speaker 1: I only asked because like, yeah, vocals are a nightmare

1192
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 1: for me, and I hate what you mean doing vocals,

1193
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:30,599
Speaker 1: producing vocals. I think maybe I'm just I'm trying to learn.

1194
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 1: I'm trying to learn to not be as stand office

1195
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 1: or whatever. So always have what I call a bad cop.

1196
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 1: You don't want to say things that you used to

1197
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:47,800
Speaker 1: do that and you know I worked with So it's

1198
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:50,160
Speaker 1: just like I always have a bad cop on standby

1199
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 1: for vocals. I'm creating the music, creating the song, creating

1200
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:58,799
Speaker 1: the music engineering. Did I be a bad cop anytime? Trust?

1201
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 1: And that's however, What's love? Supreme ladies, dumming yo, I

1202
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:08,080
Speaker 1: love it you guys, thank you so much, thank you.

1203
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 1: This was an amazing night. Thank you, Thank you. Will

1204
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:15,280
Speaker 1: be a half a team Supreme to Steve. You still

1205
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 1: with us? Yeah, and let's stop the over Where's bad on?

1206
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 1: You really live in Neverland? Shows over, ladies and serious good?

1207
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:39,800
Speaker 1: All right, we out a sugar Steve and Boss Bill

1208
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 1: Fontigolo and Bill Yeah totally, let's all just yeah, I'm

1209
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 1: gonna join the family. Stand there join We will see

1210
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 1: you on the next go around. Thank you. This is

1211
01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 1: a very special West Love Supreme on I Heart Radio.

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01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 1: Mm hm m hm course Love Supreme. It's a production

1213
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. For more podcasts for my heart Radio,

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01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 1: visit the i heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever

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01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:24,640
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