1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: today's best minds, and an ap NORC poll this week 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: found that sixty nine percent of Americans thought the nation 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: was heading in the wrong direction. We have such a 6 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: great Joe for you today, Talking Points Memos own Josh 7 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: Marshall stops by to talk about Trump demanding that he 8 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: be paid by his own government. 9 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: Wow. 10 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: Then we'll talk to former White House Press Secretary Kareem 11 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: John Pierre about her new book Independent, a look inside 12 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: a Broken White House outside the party lines. But first the. 13 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 3: News, Smiley, mister Trump had a mandate lower those egg prices. 14 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 3: You know what happens when you put a whack job 15 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 3: in charge of the CDC and hhs Well, bird flu 16 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 3: comes back. We don't treat it well. And guess what's 17 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 3: about to happen. We're about to have higher egg prices. Ah, 18 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, listen, man. 19 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: I was told Donald Trump. 20 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 4: Laser focused, laser laser focused on affordability, and by laser focused, 21 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,119 Speaker 4: we mean not at all. 22 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 5: He's laser focused in that ballroom. 23 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: He's laser focused on demolishing the East Wing. If you 24 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: work for the Treasury Department. Please post pictures. We need 25 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: to see them. Look, man, this is again. We talk 26 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: so much about trump Ism. These are the second order 27 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: effects of trump Ism. Right, The virus is back. The 28 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 1: administration is incompetent or maybe corrupt, or maybe both, and 29 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: so infected wild birds have served this fall in three states, 30 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: by the way, in case you're wondering, all red states, 31 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: because voting for mister Trump does not protect you from 32 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: bird flu Idaho, Nebraska, and Texas. And it's an outbreak 33 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: in dairy cavs, so get ready for milk to get 34 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: more expensive too. The virus often flares up in the 35 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: fall as wild birds begin migrating south. This year, the 36 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: uptake is occurring during a government shutdown, as federal agencies 37 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: are usually typically involved in response. They're working with the 38 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: skeletal staff. But here's the good news. Elon fired all 39 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: other people anyway. 40 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 5: Don't forget RFK. He helped fire them too. 41 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: That's right. The corrupt and incompetent people we have working 42 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: in our White House. Real talk, and the federal government 43 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: has closed. The virus has settled into a seasonal pattern, 44 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: says Richard Webbe. An influenza expert at Saint Jude's Children's 45 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: Research Hospital. Saint Jude's recently got money cut from the 46 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: federal government. This administration decided those kids with cancer they 47 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: should pull their little bootstraps up and fight that cancer 48 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: on their own. 49 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 3: So, because the government is shut down right now, my 50 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 3: wife is upstairs working hard for the government, but she 51 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 3: won't be paid this week, so we're down to being 52 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 3: a single income house. 53 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: And better boss. Well, because members get paid. 54 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 3: Yep, we should say my wife works for a member 55 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 3: of Congress, and that's how things work right now. And 56 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 3: that's just absolutely lovely to be living through this anyway. 57 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 3: I'm sure everybody would really enjoy to be working and 58 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:21,399 Speaker 3: not get paid. 59 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: For people who are getting paid. 60 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, step benefits won't be issued for November due to 61 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 3: the government shutdown. 62 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: Yes, we have a broken party that really wants to 63 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: make the federal government small and ineffective and make it 64 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: the government. You know, they don't want to pay taxes, 65 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: they don't want to serve hungry people snap special Nutrition 66 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: Assistance program. So the benefits business in Maine will not 67 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: be issued from November due to the ongoing federal shutdown. 68 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: That is forty two million people one hundred and sixty 69 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: nine thousand in Maine. That means those people won't okay, 70 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,040 Speaker 1: they won't be able to get food. Thousands of no 71 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: income working main families rely on basic food assistance, and 72 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: now those benefits are at risk because the Trump shutdown. 73 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: I want to tell you, I think a really important 74 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: data point here, which is Mike Johnson, the speaker of 75 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: the House. Everybody is home. They were sent home because 76 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: Mike Johnson, you know, Donald Trump wants the shutdown. He 77 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 1: feels the military is being paid. The SNAP is not 78 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: really where my man's interests are. So the house is 79 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: at home. They are not working to try round the 80 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: clock to solve this shutdown. In fact, they are at home. 81 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 3: Some aren't even at home. They're in Barbados and the 82 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 3: Bahamas and vacationing. 83 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: In fact, yeah, I mean I didn't know that, but 84 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: it does not totally surprise me. 85 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 3: So in addition to SNAP, Donald Trump says Social Security 86 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 3: medicare are going to be gone. 87 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: So is like this thing. Republicans have decided that they're 88 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: going to say that instead of cutting Social Security, they 89 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: are saving it. It's nice because it's a lie. But 90 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: we heard Mike Johnson talk about this. They're fixing it. 91 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,239 Speaker 1: They're tinkering it to make sure it can last for longer. 92 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: They're tinkering it so that they can give tax cuts 93 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: a very wealthy people and corporations, which are as you 94 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: and I both know people too. Look, Donald Trump warned 95 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: in a press conference that I've been agreement is not 96 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: reached with the Democrats. Program like social Security, Medicaid, Medicare 97 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: will be in danger because he'll cut them. I mean again, 98 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: like this is this abuser mentality, right, Like if you 99 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: make me do something, it's your fault. No, honey, if 100 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: you do something, it's still your fault. 101 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 5: Stop hitting yourself with my fist. 102 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 1: Right exactly. So, I don't know. Trump administration plans deep 103 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: cuts to Social Security disability insurance, particularly for older workers. Yeah, 104 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: older disabled people, that is who you should be going after. 105 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but like the pure inhumanity of this administration, 106 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: it's pretty incredible. 107 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, never sees to amaze me. 108 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: Do we talk about cutting the children's cancer research? I 109 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: know we did earlier, but I just want to circle 110 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: back to that. As the East Wing is being expanded 111 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: into an enormous corporate sponsored ballroom. 112 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 3: I particularly think about that the money we're giving to 113 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 3: Argentina could pay for the ACA benefits that the government 114 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 3: is shut down over. That's particularly what hits me on 115 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 3: a daily basis. 116 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: Speak for yourself, man, that money needs to go to 117 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: Argentina for Argentinian farmers or something. 118 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 3: I think that they're using the rakes to farm to 119 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 3: get Millai's sidebirds to be so fluffy. 120 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: God, he really has gorgeous hair. 121 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 3: Okay, now that we've got into the worst territory we've 122 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 3: ever got into, a five hundred forty one episodest Hagseth. 123 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: Maybe you've heard of him. He's a weekend television anchor. 124 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: Have you heard of him. 125 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 5: I've heard he spent some times in salutes. 126 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about. All I know 127 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: is that hegxeth Is continued. So first, he basically said, 128 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: you can't cover the press corps dependenton press corps was 129 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: basically decimated. Right. He said, you have to sign this 130 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: thing that says anything you report on needs to be 131 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: something I've given you. Basically, so everybody laughed, with the 132 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: exception of Oann can't spell own without Oann and a 133 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: few Turkish outlets who knew there was so many Turkish 134 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: outlets discuss I. 135 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 3: Think this is always the funny thing of that I've 136 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 3: been around a lot of situations, particularly working in music, 137 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 3: where the first reaction people have to bad press is 138 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 3: how do we get rid of the press. Then they 139 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 3: realize that the press is kind of like gravity that 140 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 3: you can't really stop it. Then they have to go 141 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 3: to the next stage of grieving. 142 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 5: Yep, yep. Here we have the bargaining. 143 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: Heg seth orders prior approval for all interactions between military 144 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: officials and Congress. Oh yeah, those leakers, they're going to 145 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: come to big beat before they leak. 146 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's definite how this works. 147 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,679 Speaker 1: It's weird because you see how bad things are going here, 148 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: like you just see these little pieces of things like 149 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: just melting down. But this ultimately is a sign that 150 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: they're really worried about leaks, right, that they're just trying 151 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: to get ahead of the leaks. And they're trying to 152 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: get ahead of leaks, probably because of those fishing boats 153 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: in the Caribbean. 154 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 3: Right, there's going to be a competent leadership being reported. 155 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: You know who I bet does not sleep well at night. 156 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: Head of the d D Pete hegsas I bet he's 157 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 1: real anxious. 158 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 3: Alcohol has proven to be a bad for your sleep, 159 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 3: so yeah. 160 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: Josh Marshall is the editor of Talking Points. Memo. Welcome 161 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: back to Fast Politics, Josh Marshall, thanks for having me. 162 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: So happy to have you. Things are going great. The 163 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: East Wing home of Eleanor Roosevelt now home of He's 164 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: basically penn stationing the East wing of the White House discussed. 165 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it. 166 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 6: I actually just wrote a post about this that I think, 167 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 6: you know, we had two things happened yesterday. We had 168 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 6: that ort, like you know, where the pictures which showed 169 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 6: the totality of it came out, and we also had 170 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 6: this thing about how he's instructing his employees to cut 171 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 6: him a check for two hundred and thirty million dollars. 172 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 6: And I think both of those are things that they're 173 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 6: certainly not the worst things that have. 174 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 2: Happened in the last nine months. 175 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, but they have an audacity and like a vulgarity. 176 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 6: How do you escalate from like, yeah, the President had 177 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 6: one of his cabinet secretaries right him a check for 178 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 6: two hundred and thirty million dollars, Like I don't know 179 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 6: what where you go up from there, so and both 180 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 6: of those things, and then he demolished a third of 181 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 6: the White House complex. You're like, oh, okay, Like I 182 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 6: didn't know that was going to happen. So he's just nice. 183 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 6: He's fully in the Twilight Zone Anthony phase of his 184 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 6: residency where he's just doing like totally crazy shit, and 185 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 6: crazy shit that isn't even like key parts of the plan, 186 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 6: just stuff. He woke up one day and said, I 187 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 6: want to build a ballroom. 188 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: Let's talk about that, because I actually think it's not 189 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: the Project twenty twenty five that's going to unravel this thing. 190 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: If it does unravel, it's the photos of the destruction 191 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: of the East Wing that are going to do it. 192 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 1: Because it's hard to explain if you try to legally 193 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: destroy the East wing of the White House, right, if 194 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: you try, you wouldn't be. 195 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 6: You have zoning problems, yeah, Like I mean, you couldn't. 196 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: Get permits for what he did with the Rose Garden 197 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 1: let alone, where he paved the Rose Garden to make 198 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: it the Rose Garden Club TM. But what he's doing 199 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: to the ballroom, I just wonder. You know, sometimes with 200 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: Trump world, there are second order effects that sink the 201 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: whole thing, you know what I mean. And I just 202 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: wonder if those visuals And then my favorite thing the 203 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: Koudograss is that their Treasury Secretary employees stop sharing photos 204 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: of the demolition of the East Wing. We know you 205 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: can see it out your window. I'm sorry, no, I 206 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 1: actually think it less true. 207 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 6: I actually think you are right. And I especially think 208 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 6: you're right because I agree and and I just wrote 209 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 6: something kind of to this effect, like literally just to 210 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 6: finish to the half hour before we started. As we 211 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 6: said at the beginning, these are far from the worst 212 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 6: things that have happened. In a way, they are almost trivial. Look, 213 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 6: you can, you can, you can rebuild a building, you 214 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 6: can you can replace it. 215 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 5: You know. 216 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 6: They just basically cut a check for forty billion dollars 217 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 6: to that Javier Mille guy down in Argentina because. 218 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: They really like him. 219 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 6: They really like him, and a lot of and a 220 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 6: lot of Scott Best sends like Hedge fun friends like 221 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 6: are taking a bath on their investments, so terrible. 222 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 1: That's a Ergentine in a way. 223 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 6: To your point, A lot of the Project twenty twenty 224 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 6: five stuff is very bad, but they are things that 225 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 6: are hard for people who are not kind of drenched 226 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 6: in politics to kind of put together the significance of 227 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 6: why they're different, what they mean, all this kind of stuff. 228 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 2: So I actually think what you're saying is very right. 229 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 6: The other part of this is it is a truism 230 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 6: now that we know he came in in the second 231 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 6: term without the semi establishment people around him who held 232 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 6: certain things in check. He came in with people who 233 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 6: were one hundred percent maga and wanted to do everything 234 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 6: that really changed the equation. It led us to where 235 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 6: we are now. But I think what we're starting to 236 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 6: see and it's really again it sort of it hit 237 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 6: me in an epiphany yesterday with these two stories, but 238 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 6: I think we've seen it over the last few weeks. 239 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 6: He's in the stage now where if you've once you've 240 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 6: been living the impunity lifestyle for ten months, other things 241 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 6: start to occur to you, things that are just so weird, 242 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 6: even though you've got sick of fans around you. They 243 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 6: might not have occurred to you before that. And these 244 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 6: are the things you know, people see that, no wonder 245 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 6: they're telling the Treasury people not to share the photos. 246 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 6: You see that, and you say, what the actual fuck, 247 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 6: he's tearing down the White House. 248 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 2: How can that? You know, people see that like something's wrong. 249 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: So this is a theory of the case that has 250 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: been sort of floated by a friend of mine who's 251 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: a fancy socialite. This is like the fall of the 252 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: Roman Empire. Now, like we just my man is drunk 253 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: with power. He is seventy nine years old. He's the 254 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: oldest person to ever be president. I know we're not 255 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: allowed to talk about how old he is, but he 256 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: is very old, and he has just decided like, you know, 257 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: absolute power craves absolute whatever. 258 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, no, these are these are you know, sort of 259 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 6: different metaphors and different prisons for saying the same thing. 260 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 5: He is. 261 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 6: You know, the Supreme Court lit this fire, or maybe 262 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 6: you know, the American people or a minority of the 263 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 6: American people lit this fire back in twenty sixteen. But 264 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 6: it's the Supreme Court that really came with a you know, 265 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 6: a couple of Jerichans a gasoline and poured it on 266 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 6: and they did this and continued to do this, and 267 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 6: at a certain point you just start doing things like 268 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 6: I'm going to bring in a bulldozer and tear down 269 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 6: in the White House and and create the sort of 270 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 6: the Trump Imperial Palace. You know, one thing that actually 271 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 6: occurred to me, I don't I don't know. You know, 272 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 6: everybody's kind of pointed to this, this little kind of 273 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 6: meandering moment he had in the Oval office yesterday where 274 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 6: someone asked him about this. If you follow the actual 275 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 6: course of the meanders, I think what is possible here 276 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 6: is that he may want to take the two hundred 277 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 6: and thirty million dollars, which then becomes his, and then 278 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 6: he will pay for the ballroom he gave. He gave 279 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 6: the people I was corporate. 280 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: I was told corporate donors, we're gonna pay for the bar. 281 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: But it does seem like you're action here. 282 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 6: At and people go back and look, you know, yeah, 283 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 6: find that video because he actually talks about ah, I 284 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 6: give it to charity in the ballroom and the guy 285 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 6: you know, you know Howur's mind works after a certain point. 286 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 6: But yeah, you just you just wake up and start 287 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 6: doing like completely crazy things and and you know, creating 288 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 6: a private paramilitary slash secret police. 289 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 2: Is another kind of bad thing. But that but that 290 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 2: at least. 291 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 6: Is something like we know why the whole team wants 292 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,479 Speaker 6: to do that. That is a sort of a cornerstone 293 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 6: part of the whole project. So you're gonna you're gonna 294 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 6: take some hits to be able to do that because 295 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 6: of all the positives in their mind for the sort 296 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 6: of the the conquest of the American Republic. But these 297 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 6: things and again, we're doing a bail out for forty million, 298 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 6: you know, forty billion dollars of Argentina, and we're gonna 299 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 6: let them do their own bailout by cutting all of 300 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 6: our farmers out of the soybean business. You know, this 301 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 6: is These are the kind of things you do if 302 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 6: you just don't think any limits. No one can nothing bad. 303 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 6: And at a certain level, you know, when you're seventy nine, 304 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 6: there are no limits. 305 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, is he is? 306 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 7: He is? 307 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 2: He not going to get a good job after this term. 308 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 2: I mean, why should he care? 309 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: One of the things that I've been on many television 310 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: panel where we're talking about these the hats. You know, 311 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: he's going to run again. He's going to run again. 312 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: He's going to run again. I'm like, he's going to 313 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: be eighty three. I mean, look, he has the greatest 314 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: arian jeans ever known to man. 315 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:42,359 Speaker 8: He is has the purest, healthiest, whitest whatever. But you know, ultimately, 316 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 8: you still you don't live forever, right unless we do. 317 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: And I'm just missing something most. 318 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 2: Of us don't. 319 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 6: But you know, look, I don't think he's you know, look, 320 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 6: my man Bob Dylan is out there touring at eighty four. 321 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 6: He does, you know, tours NonStop. So people people can 322 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 6: live a long time and remain relatively spry. But look, 323 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 6: I just don't think, for a variety of reasons, I've 324 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 6: never thought that is going to happen. He may think 325 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 6: it's going to happen. But if he doesn't do that, 326 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 6: he'll get Don Junior or JD nominated or maybe you know, 327 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 6: we've seen you know, maybe Barren. I don't know, but 328 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 6: the other brother could be Eric. He's moved into being 329 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 6: primary son. In any case, what it all comes together 330 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 6: is he is in a position kind of no one 331 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 6: in the world has ever been in when you combine 332 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 6: American primacy with the total premacy and restraint from any 333 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 6: law or any or any limit of corruption of the 334 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 6: American presidency, and it's going to his head. 335 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,959 Speaker 2: It will be those things that will a Roman empire 336 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 2: with them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 337 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: So let's talk about democrats. There's been a lot of 338 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 1: drama about the main senatorial primary over the last two 339 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: days on the internet. We have Grand Platner, Janet Mills. 340 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: We have some Grand Platner tattoo stuff. Yeah, grand Platner comments, 341 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: some pretty not what I think of when I think 342 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party comments we got. Janet Mills is old. 343 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think happens here? 344 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 2: You know, I'm not really sure. 345 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 6: You know, one thing that I caught, or actually my 346 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 6: colleague Kate Riga caught, is that she, I guess said 347 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 6: in that debate she wants to hold on to the 348 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 6: filibuster and for a lot of Democrats, rightly, I think 349 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,959 Speaker 6: that is disqualifying. So there's a lot of things about 350 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 6: her that would be good. I mean, she's a popular 351 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 6: two term governor. You can't take anything away from that. 352 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 6: She's old, but like, you know, get the seat and 353 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 6: then hand it off. You know, we got to do 354 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 6: what we can here. I don't really know with platter 355 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 6: I I you know, this this tattoo things has has 356 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 6: has just come up in the last you know, first 357 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 6: you had the comments, then you have the tattoo, and 358 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 6: I'm still trying to kind of catch up here. I'm 359 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 6: curious to see what the next poll is. You know, 360 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 6: I don't think people people. I think Maner's thought he 361 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 6: was a little wild. It's hard to give something like 362 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 6: that up once you seem like you're the winning insurgent 363 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 6: candidate to possibly go right to the US Senate. So 364 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 6: I'm kind of reserving judgment till I see what what 365 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 6: voters actually think. 366 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 2: And you're saying yeah, you know. 367 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's something to be said for like, let 368 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: Main be Maine. You know, they know what they're doing, 369 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 1: they'll pick. 370 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 6: Them want yeah, And I'm not you know, I'm not 371 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 6: someone who kind of falls hard for these kinds of candidates. 372 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 6: I'm very pragmatic about who seems like the best candidate. 373 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 6: But these are strange times, and I don't think it 374 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 6: is right to get significantly ahead of the public in Maine, 375 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 6: both the primary public and the you know, the general 376 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 6: general election public. And you know, because a lot of 377 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 6: these things like if he has a trey, you know, 378 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 6: kind of tattoo that white nationalists are crazy about, are 379 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 6: the Republicans going to attack him? I mean, are they're 380 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 6: going to say he's reaching out to Maga, right, he's 381 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 6: trying to be bipartisan you know. I so I don't 382 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 6: know how this is going. 383 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,959 Speaker 1: To So this gets to this question of like, how 384 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: do you worry about problems in a party when the 385 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: party is facing off against the guy who is basically 386 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 1: a nero. How can you worry about anything when they 387 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: are like, we don't want to have elections anymore. Democracies failed. 388 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 6: Yeah, and there's a number of different levels to answer 389 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 6: that on I do think to a great extent, people 390 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 6: are going to go into the you're going to go 391 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 6: into the ballot box in twenty twenty six like you 392 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 6: like this or you don't like it. You know, it's 393 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 6: a very binary choice. It's a certain kind of split 394 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 6: ticket voting. If you don't like what's happening in the country, 395 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 6: you know, there's one way to signal that, and it's 396 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 6: it's the non republican person. And I do think that 397 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 6: is going to, you know, make a lot of these 398 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 6: things less important than they than they normally would be. Obviously, 399 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 6: you have to balance against that that the stakes are 400 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 6: pretty high. You don't want to make it any harder 401 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 6: than it has to be. You know, you had that 402 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 6: thing what a few days ago where they had the 403 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 6: text from the you know, New York Republicans or New 404 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 6: York Young Republicans. 405 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 1: I mean the first Nazi text chat, not the second one. 406 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 6: Yes, yes, which was, but in that kind and that 407 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 6: kind of thing is sort of like, wow, they they 408 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 6: they talk in private the way they talk on Twitter. 409 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 2: I mean, okay, like is that was? 410 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: That? 411 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 2: Was that stunning? 412 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 6: So it's again on that specific on that specific race. 413 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 6: I really kind of reserved my judgment to see what 414 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:33,479 Speaker 6: the voters in Maine make of all this. 415 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: It's an interesting question though, with that second Nazi group chat, 416 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: because the adman actually pulled the nominee, which, as you know, 417 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: has not happened so many times. This is an administration 418 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: that managed to get RFK Junior. 419 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, true, my. 420 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: Man who basically believes that circumcision and tail and all 421 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: cause autism. 422 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 2: Yeah for me, let's hope not. 423 00:21:58,720 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 5: But yeah. 424 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 6: I think there's some of these nominees that the people 425 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 6: around Trump or in some cases maybe even Trump sometimes 426 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 6: and some of these like I want this guy Pete Hegseeth. 427 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 6: Clearly Trump was like I want this guy, I want 428 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 6: this guy running the Pentagon. Some of these guys I 429 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 6: think are more kind of like, let's see what happens, 430 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 6: this will be you know, it's sort of like shooting 431 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 6: off of firework. Let's just kind of see what happens. 432 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 6: If it's a dud, that's cool, We'll find another one. 433 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 6: I think that's kind of where they were with this 434 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 6: Angrassia guy. I mean, on the other on the other hand, 435 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,120 Speaker 6: I do think we have seen a number of things 436 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 6: over the last few weeks. It's so much else is 437 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 6: going on that it's gotten little attention. You know, there 438 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 6: was that thing where he where where the Department of 439 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 6: Education sent out that deal to I think it was 440 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 6: nine universities, you know, you want to kind of sign 441 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 6: on to the mega agenda. I believe now all of them, 442 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 6: even the more kind of us right. 443 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: I think this at suck Up may still be in 444 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: the game. But everybody else has said, but yeah, USC, 445 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: and not that USC is like a map a university. 446 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: But of the ones that were sent it, they seemed 447 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: like if anybody's going to sign on, it's going to 448 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: be them, and they didn't, and there are other and 449 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: the Pentagon reporters left. 450 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, there's just things happening where they they 451 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 6: maybe they're getting to some of the limits of their 452 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 6: ability to impose. 453 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 1: Things, and more than seven million people march to say 454 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 1: they don't fucking like this. And if you think about it, 455 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: seven million people for a minute, like you know each 456 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: of those people, and it may be more, maybe eight 457 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: and a half if even those people represent five people, 458 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: which it's a pretty good bet they do, right, or 459 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: maybe more. Yeah, it's a pretty big part of the 460 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: electorate that's fucking passed. 461 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 2: No, that's true. 462 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 6: And I think I was actually talking to a friend 463 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 6: of mine about this yesterday, that there is the numbers, 464 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 6: the numbers and the visuals that really hearden people and 465 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 6: are a demonstration of numbers and power, and that's really important. 466 00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 6: But where protest movement and these kind of demonstrations actually 467 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,239 Speaker 6: have the most impact is usually that, you know, you 468 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 6: get everybody together, you organize your event in the local area, 469 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 6: and then you head out to get a beer after 470 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 6: the protest, and everybody says, hey, let's stay in touch 471 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 6: for the next election, let's canvas together. I think, you know, 472 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 6: one of the impacts of the whole No King's thing 473 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 6: is going to be to the extent that that happens 474 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 6: going forward over the next year or so, does this 475 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 6: become a a you know, a coming together that ends 476 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 6: up building organizational muscle that accomplishes things going into the 477 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 6: election next year. 478 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, and I think that's a real question. 479 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 2: Josh Marshall, thanks for having me. 480 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: Corrine Jean Pierre is the former White House Press secretary 481 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: and the author of the new book Independent and Look 482 00:24:55,119 --> 00:25:00,199 Speaker 1: Inside a Broken White House Outside the Party Lines. I 483 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have you. I have a lot 484 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: of things I want to ask you about because I 485 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 1: spend an insane amount of time thinking about how Biden 486 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,199 Speaker 1: World got to where I got to, considering that it 487 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: had done so much good stuff, and so first of all, 488 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 1: I want to say, welcome. I'm so happy to have you. 489 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: I'm so excited about this book. 490 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 2: Thank you. 491 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: It's like a bold statement. So explain to us what 492 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 1: you decided to do with this book. 493 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 9: Yeah. So, what I decided to do with this book, honestly, 494 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 9: is to start a conversation that I believe needed to happen. 495 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 9: So when I left White House with the President on 496 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 9: January twentieth, you know, I left thinking, Okay, I'm going 497 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 9: to mind my business. I'm going to focus on, you know, 498 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 9: my life, my family, my kid, and just go about 499 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 9: my business. And what I was happening was going to 500 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 9: the airport, you know, going to the supermarket. 501 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 7: Anywhere that I was going. 502 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 9: People would stop me and folks were in near ta 503 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 9: years saying to me, what's happening? Why we weren't prepared. 504 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 9: I'm really scared. I'm very fearful. Why is the Democratic 505 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 9: Party not doing more? And they were just disillusioned, distraught 506 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 9: and angry, you know, and just sad, right and scared. 507 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 9: And so I just started to think about it that 508 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 9: summer in June twenty twenty four, Kamala Harris not winning 509 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 9: the election and moving forward in what was happening to 510 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 9: the country in that moment, and it scared me too. 511 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 9: I started to think about, Okay, what is my voice here? 512 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 9: What am I going to do? How can I help 513 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 9: in this moment? Because it really mattered to me, And 514 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 9: so I thought, Okay, I'm going to lean into a 515 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 9: thought that I had this summer of June twenty twenty four, 516 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 9: which was becoming an independent and you know, and stepping 517 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 9: away from the party system. 518 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 7: And I truly believe, you. 519 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 9: Know, I took policy when I was in grad school, 520 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 9: and I have one of my Mentors is a brilliant 521 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 9: pol Side professor that you need a two party system 522 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 9: for democracy to function. 523 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,719 Speaker 7: That is something that I truly believe. 524 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 9: But I do believe now and many others do as well, 525 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,880 Speaker 9: is that the two party system is broken, and it has. 526 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 7: Been for some time. 527 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 9: And I think now is the time to have these 528 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 9: type of conversation as to Okay, what are we going 529 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 9: to do, How are we going to reimagine the future? 530 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 9: How are we going to reimagine what you know, people 531 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 9: power looks like, taking it out of the White House 532 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 9: and into the hands of the American people. And so 533 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 9: this is my way of starting that conversation, and there 534 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 9: is a broader worder conversation to have too, Like there 535 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 9: are millions of independents who do not feel that they 536 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 9: can participate, at least in primaries because most primaries are 537 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 9: close primaries, and they're saying to us, I believe is that, hey, 538 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 9: I don't see myself in represented in the Democratic Party 539 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 9: or the Republican Party, So I'm going to be an independent, 540 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 9: just innately in that looking at that data tells you, okay, 541 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 9: well the system isn't working for everyone. 542 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 7: And so this is my. 543 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 9: Whole point is trying to figure out how do we 544 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 9: have a conversation, how do we come together and really 545 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 9: have people power and get parties out of the system. 546 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 9: How do we force leaders in this instance and for 547 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 9: the Democratic Party to you force them to move and 548 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 9: be held accountable and off course holding Republican leaders accountable too, 549 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 9: and having this conversation of reimagining the future. 550 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: Clearly there was a communications strategy behind Biden's relact. What 551 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: do you think it was? What do you think happened there? 552 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 2: Yeah? 553 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 9: I mean, look, I wasn't part of the campaign because 554 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 9: I was the White House Press Secretarium. 555 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 7: I had a role. 556 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 9: I was like speaking on behalf of the president, pushing 557 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 9: out our message, and we all have to take responsibility. Right, 558 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 9: It didn't work what we were trying to do, But 559 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 9: there was other reasons too. There was a lot of 560 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 9: and you know this, Molly, there was a lot of 561 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 9: misinformation and disinformation that we had to be down. And 562 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 9: the politics were so partisan and so hard to break through. 563 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 9: We were also dealing with this unprecedented time of what 564 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 9: the world was in coming out of COVID. I'm sure 565 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 9: you watch some of my briefings. I would start the 566 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 9: briefing and start talking about the topper. We always led with, hey, 567 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 9: this is what the president is doing. 568 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 7: And it would never break through. That's not what was 569 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 7: being talked about in the briefing room. 570 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: Yet never, ever, ever, there were so many like really 571 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: good communicators in that White House, but the problem was 572 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: the principles weren't communicating. Like Trump does this thing, and 573 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: again everybody knows how I feel about him, but like 574 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: he does five hours of publicity a day. You know, 575 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: it almost felt like you could have as many people 576 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: as you wanted, but if you didn't have the president 577 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: or the vice president out there talking twenty four to seven, 578 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: it just didn't break through. Oh do you think that's right? 579 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 9: Or I mean, social media has changed the way we 580 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 9: communicate with each other. The news cycle is twenty four 581 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 9: to seven NonStop. I mean, we talk about something at 582 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 9: eight am in the morning. By noon, it'll change, by 583 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 9: two it'll change. I mean that's certainly the time that 584 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 9: we're living in. And look, it's this is all like 585 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 9: hindsight twenty twenty, right. 586 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: But it's like the only way to solve for the 587 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: future is why I'm thinking about it. 588 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 9: And I agree with you, which is why I really 589 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 9: try to dive in into what happened over a year ago. 590 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 9: And so yeah, I'm going to make there are things 591 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 9: that we probably could have done better. 592 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 7: But the President was out there. 593 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 9: We would constantly be talking about something that we were doing. 594 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 9: He was out there in the cities and states, Red States, 595 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 9: even trying to talk about the policies that we were 596 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 9: pushing through or some historic legislation that went through. 597 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 7: It just wasn't cutting it. It just wasn't breaking through 598 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 7: to the American people. 599 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 9: And I also think I think this is something that's 600 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 9: really important to speak to. 601 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 7: There was an incumbency issue. There really was. 602 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 9: You look at these G twenty countries who were incumbents 603 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 9: coming out of COVID. 604 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 7: None of them got reelected. 605 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 9: And so the incumbency piece of it, and I think 606 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 9: that was the politics of it, all the partisanship, the 607 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 9: missing information, disinformation. 608 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 7: It was an uphill battle, it truly was. 609 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 9: And it was it was not an easy feat and Trump. Look, 610 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 9: he's an entertainer, right, That's what he's doing. It's entertainment. 611 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 9: It's not real information. You're not learning anything when he speaks, 612 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 9: but it's into entertainment and that's really how he leads 613 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 9: and focuses on especially when he's talking to the press. 614 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: Like I think about that book, the Tapper book, I 615 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 1: don't even know what to make of it, but it 616 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: was like there's a smoking gun. I was like, where 617 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: is it? It's not in here, but we know. It 618 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: just felt like everyone was against him. 619 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 9: Yeah, it felt the frustration was it was more people 620 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 9: were against him than for him, at least in that 621 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 9: bubble of the DC bubble. 622 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 7: It was the most insane. 623 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 9: It's almost like a narrative was trying to be created 624 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 9: that feed into whatever clicks that they wanted to have. 625 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 9: It was the most insane thing that I had ever seen. 626 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 9: And it was always beating that back, pushing that bag. 627 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 9: And look, I haven't I haven't read Jake Tapper and 628 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 9: Alex's book. 629 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 7: I'm not planning to. 630 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 9: I could only speak from what I saw from myself, 631 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 9: and I am someone as his White House Press secretary, 632 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 9: I saw the President pretty regularly and traveled with him 633 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 9: more than ninety five percent of the time. And I 634 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 9: just saw someone who cared about this country, who wanted 635 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 9: to make a difference and worked really hard to do that. 636 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 9: And that's one of the reasons I wanted to make 637 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 9: that very clear in the book. In the book, I'm 638 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 9: not saying anything differently that I said at the podium. 639 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 9: In the book, I'm just laying out giving a little 640 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 9: bit more behind the scenes of what I was feeling 641 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 9: because I couldn't say that at the time. 642 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 7: I had to focus on the job. 643 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,959 Speaker 9: But you're right, it was a feeling of people were 644 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 9: just against him and I just. 645 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 7: Could not understand it. 646 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 9: And it also laid the groundwork for Donald Trump to 647 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 9: win again. And truly, because you cannot compare these two people. 648 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 9: You can't say Biden and Trump are the same. They're 649 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 9: very different, fundamentally differul I. 650 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: Have this theory. First two years Biden didn't do a 651 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: lot of interviews. Now I have a number of theories 652 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: as to why largely he's not I believe this is 653 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: all my opinion here. I believe my man was not 654 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: a gifted orator. There's some anxiety, you know whatever. And 655 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: then the next two years, I feel like the ADMIN 656 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: tried and tried and tried to catch up, but the 657 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: mainstream media was so angry at the ADMIN for the 658 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 1: first two years, and then it created a dynamic. It 659 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: sort of spiraled into something I've never seen before. 660 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 9: Yeah, I can understand that. Look, the first two years 661 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 9: were very unprecedented. I know we keep using the word, 662 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 9: but it was COVID. I was one of the very 663 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 9: few people that was even allowed to be in the 664 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 9: White House. We had to wear those real, the hard 665 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 9: like and live masks. The briefing was I think fourteen 666 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 9: people in the briefing room only sitting in those seats. 667 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 7: So the first two years, I would argue that we 668 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 7: were really. 669 00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 9: Focused on getting America opened up again. 670 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 7: It was just insanity. 671 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 9: We were doing zoom calls with colleagues who were down 672 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 9: the hallway, and the focus, I got to tell you, 673 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 9: the focus really was, Okay, what do we need to 674 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 9: do with COVID. We have to get these vaccines out, 675 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 9: we have to get these schools open, we have to 676 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:19,919 Speaker 9: get the country reopened again. 677 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 7: We got to make sure it's done equitable. 678 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 9: And I have to say, I think the focus wasn't 679 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 9: the media, honestly and doing any of yours. 680 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 7: The focus was. 681 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 9: How do we get out of this. We're dealing with 682 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 9: someone never seen before. That's honestly where everyone's head was. 683 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 9: That was what we zeroed in on, and we believed 684 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 9: at the time. 685 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:42,959 Speaker 7: That's what the American people want us to see. 686 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 9: They elected Joe Biden and Kamala Harris so that we 687 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,879 Speaker 9: can get back to work. And that's where just where 688 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 9: Ahead was and communicating every step of the way what 689 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 9: we were doing. And that's what you saw. I remember, 690 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 9: I don't know Evenmber. We saw the President and the auditorium. 691 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 9: He was like, you know, meeting with with his COVID team. 692 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 9: He saw him get shot. We were putting basically putting 693 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,800 Speaker 9: on a TV show on trying to communicate and educate 694 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 9: the American people. 695 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 7: That's what was happening at least the first one hundred days. 696 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I spend so much time thinking about women, 697 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: thinking about women candidates, thinking about Harris, thinking about how 698 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: you know, when I found out she was going to 699 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 1: be the nominee, I was talking to someone in the 700 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: world that we occupy and I said, like, this is exciting, 701 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: this is going to happen, And they said, it's either 702 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 1: going to be amazing or it's a glass cleff. I've 703 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 1: seen so many black women, white women, women, any women 704 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: being put on glass cliffs. Talk about it. 705 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 9: You know, I haven't even thought about that term glass 706 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 9: cliff it's just really it captures it perfectly. 707 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,839 Speaker 7: And that's the sad part, right. And I think. 708 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,360 Speaker 9: Kamala Harris was more than qualified to have been president 709 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 9: at a phenomenal job as a candidate, being at the 710 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 9: top of the ticket for the Democrats. And it was 711 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 9: heartbreaking for so many people to see that glass cliff, 712 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 9: if you will, to. 713 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:05,400 Speaker 7: See that happen. 714 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 9: I think to the point to the person that you 715 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 9: were talking to, just as a black woman walking through 716 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 9: this earth, right, And I had my doubts, I really did. 717 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 7: And again not about her. I think she did a fantastic. 718 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 9: Job, just about I know what it's like to live 719 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,840 Speaker 9: in this body and breathe this air and do my day. 720 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 7: To day life. 721 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 9: It's hard, like racism, sexism, misogyny lives every day. 722 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 7: I think that was a big part of what we 723 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 7: saw last year. 724 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 1: The question is what is the electorate? 725 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:36,399 Speaker 9: Right? 726 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 1: We don't know what the electorate is or why they vote. 727 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, and that's what I think we need 728 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,239 Speaker 9: to learn and find out. 729 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 7: I mean, we know this. 730 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 9: I think more than thirty six percent or definitely more 731 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 9: than thirty percent of Americans didn't vote last year. We 732 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 9: had millions of Americans who voted in twenty twenty for 733 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 9: Joe Biden who didn't vote in twenty twenty four. 734 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 7: There's a problem there and we have to figure out. 735 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,319 Speaker 7: And this is to your point the electorate. 736 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 9: Why do people feel that they didn't think their vote 737 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 9: would matter and they stayed home or didn't feel engaged 738 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 9: enough or excited enough to vote. And this is the 739 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 9: thing that I do believe we need to do some 740 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,759 Speaker 9: digging and finding out because if we don't, it could 741 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 9: be problematic for us in the future. 742 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,399 Speaker 1: I feel like it's a party that's flying blind, right 743 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,880 Speaker 1: because you don't understand why what's happening is happening. 744 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,320 Speaker 9: I love that it feels like a party that's flying 745 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 9: blind and has kind of lost a little bit of 746 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 9: their soul. 747 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 7: Yeah, because the fight is not there. The fight is 748 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 7: not there. 749 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: I do think there are real bright spots in this 750 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five cycle. We have these governors' races. In 751 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,880 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty six cycle, we have like this Senate 752 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 1: map is starting to shape up in an important way. 753 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 1: It does feel like we're in a really perallous moment. Yeah, absolutely, 754 00:37:58,440 --> 00:37:59,319 Speaker 1: talk to me about that. 755 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 7: DEMIOC is hanging by a thread. It's hanging by a thread. 756 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 9: We have someone who is sitting behind the resolute desk 757 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 9: in the White House, who wants to be a dictator, 758 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,720 Speaker 9: who's going after their political opponents, who has the pull 759 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 9: of law out just out, just out the window. Some 760 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,360 Speaker 9: institutions are just starting to crumble or have crumbled rightly. 761 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,439 Speaker 9: Scary when you have military forces in cities and people 762 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,319 Speaker 9: are disappearing. They're disappearing not just migrants and immigrants who 763 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 9: they say they're going after, but American citizens. And it 764 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 9: doesn't matter if you're an American citizens or not. You 765 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 9: should not be disappearing from the streets of the United 766 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,920 Speaker 9: States period. It feels perilous. It's scary. Throughout the last 767 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,880 Speaker 9: ten months, I have met people, whether I'm standing on 768 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 9: a line going to the public bathroom, who are crying 769 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 9: and trying to figure out, Okay, what are we doing? 770 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 7: And this is the fear that I have. 771 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 9: And I watched the Democratic Party and I'm like, what 772 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,759 Speaker 9: do you do? Why did we rubber stamp Trump's appointees? 773 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 7: Why? Why was that a thing? We knew that most 774 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 7: of them, if not all of them, were unqualified. 775 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 1: Why do you think I mean? And also why do 776 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 1: you think Republicans have been so cowardly. 777 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,319 Speaker 7: We're not dealing with conventional Republicans. I do not know. 778 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,440 Speaker 9: I think that Trump has done it, has done something 779 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:16,879 Speaker 9: to them. 780 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,720 Speaker 7: Can't break it. It's like a fever that they can't break. 781 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,320 Speaker 7: And I think the reason. 782 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 9: Why Democrats did indeed rubber stamp Trump's appointees because they 783 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 9: had the mentality of business as usual, and it's not 784 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,879 Speaker 9: business as usual Project twenty twenty five. They told us 785 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 9: conservative Republicans, Republicans however you want to say, They told 786 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,320 Speaker 9: us over a year ago, this is what their plan 787 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:43,400 Speaker 9: was going to be. 788 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 7: And you know, Democrats has this thing. 789 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 9: And I know this because I was part of the 790 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 9: party obviously had worked for principles. They're thinking, was okay, 791 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,240 Speaker 9: if we play along, maybe they'll play along. 792 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 1: Great to have you, Thank you, Ollie. 793 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:57,360 Speaker 7: I appreciate the conversation. 794 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 1: Oh no, mo sec Jesse. 795 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:08,720 Speaker 3: Cannon, So, Molly, this is an interesting one. Throughout the 796 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,879 Speaker 3: last few decades, the NRA has basically been like, hey, 797 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 3: if you just walked out of a mental institution and 798 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,560 Speaker 3: beat your wife, we still think you should have a gun. 799 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 3: But they finally have now found someone on the right 800 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 3: that they don't want owning guns, and that's pretty interesting. 801 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,439 Speaker 3: Marijuana smokers not known to be the most violent type 802 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:28,239 Speaker 3: of people. 803 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 1: So this is like one of these things where they 804 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 1: want to make sure that people smoke pot go to 805 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,359 Speaker 1: jail even if pot is legal. But that would mean 806 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,879 Speaker 1: they would have to limit gun ownership, and we all 807 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,920 Speaker 1: know they're not allowed to do this. So this is 808 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 1: a case where a dual US Pakistanian citizen charged with 809 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 1: fire related felony because he allegedly had a gun in 810 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,920 Speaker 1: his house. He acknowledged to being a regular pot user. 811 00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't see how the Supreme Court has time, 812 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 1: I'm for stuff like this when they are so busy 813 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:08,160 Speaker 1: rapidly dismantling our voting right, I mean, how do they 814 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,839 Speaker 1: have the time they're so busy? Wow? 815 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 2: Wow? Is that so? 816 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:13,760 Speaker 7: Yeah? 817 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 1: Look, I think that we're going to see more of this, 818 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,799 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court trying to do whatever it can do 819 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 1: to just cut back on our rights in every which way. 820 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,439 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just, you know, this Supreme Court is 821 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,960 Speaker 1: just involved in craziness. 822 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 3: I like the analysis of this law that they're trying 823 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,640 Speaker 3: to make it so that when they start to prosecute Antifa, 824 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,080 Speaker 3: they think they're all pot smokers. But what they're going 825 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,759 Speaker 3: to quickly find out is that America, of all stripes, 826 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 3: are pot. 827 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:46,680 Speaker 1: Smokers and not me. 828 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,839 Speaker 3: But sure, yeah, I'm saying all political stripes smoke pot. 829 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,960 Speaker 5: It's not just whacky leftists with guns. 830 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:54,360 Speaker 1: Well, we'll see, right. 831 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,880 Speaker 3: I think the data has shown this many times. 832 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in 833 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:09,320 Speaker 1: every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Saturday to hear the best 834 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 1: minds and politics make sense of all this chaos. 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