WEBVTT - Uruguayan Artist Jorge Drexler Talks Creative Process and Gets Personal 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:10.760 I'm Lisaakazawa. Join me on season two of Stars and 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:12.920 Stars with Lisa, where I sit down with some of 0:00:12.920 --> 0:00:15.600 the most exciting stars of our time to find out 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:19.440 what their birth chart reveals about their life's purpose, their relationships, 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:22.520 and their challenges. Winner of the Signal Award for Most 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:25.959 Inspirational Podcast, Stars and Stars will help you make sense 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:29.520 of today's complicated times. Even if you're an astrology skeptic. 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:32.519 You can listen to Stars and Stars with Lisa wherever 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:35.000 you get your podcasts. Don't forget to follow the show 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:43.000 so you never miss an episode. 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:45.560 From Futuromia. It's Latino USA. I'm Maria your Hosa. 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:48.880 Love on Love one. 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:52.720 Ye. 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:58.040 Drexler, the famous Uruayyan singer songwriter, first caught the world's 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:01.639 attention in two thousand and five when his song al 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:05.880 Otro Lado del Rio was in the movie The Motorcycle Diaries. 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:11.440 Jorge became the first Uruayan to ever win an Oscar. 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:15.040 This is the first Academy award and nomination for fort 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:18.840 Hay Drexler, and this was the first time a Spanish 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:21.920 language song received an Academy Award. 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:27.000 Clavo Miremone Lavua Jevo tureimon Elmeo. 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:30.920 I spoke with Jorge about key moments in his life 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:34.080 as a young artist, from growing up as the son 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:38.120 of a Holocaust survivor to becoming a doctor and then 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:42.160 deciding to drop his career in order to pursue music. 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:45.680 He also tells us why he turned down the opportunity 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:49.680 to become a global pop star just after winning the Oscar, 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:54.240 and of course we talk about his album Binta Epimpo 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:59.200 and why it almost didn't come to life. Our interview 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:01.080 first aired in twenty twenty three. 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:07.320 No No Ma's mascotro Vicu. 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:09.720 Nina. 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:14.440 Okay, first of all, welcome to Latino, USA. I was 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:17.800 trying to remember when I interviewed you last. It turns 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:19.840 out I spoke with you in two thousand and five. 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:21.600 Yeah to the Oscars. 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:26.280 I think, yes, right after the Oscars, and you were 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:31.800 so happy. Yeah, and here we are comest us. 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:36.520 Well, I'm happy, I'm in New York. It's really a 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:38.400 pleasure to be here. Thank you first of all for 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:42.000 inviting me, for having me here today. 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:44.920 Here's the crazy thing. So as I was prepping for 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:47.320 the interview, and of course I'm reading about you, listening 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:49.880 to your music all the time, which was a gift. 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:52.840 And then I at one point I turned around. 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:59.240 I was like wundo itra otto rino. My father was 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:02.720 an ear nose and throat doctor. Really my father was 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:06.919 doctor Raulins from the University of Chicago. Helped to create 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:12.480 the cochlear implant, eliztabs to the and gone the electron microscope. 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:16.239 My father and my mother both were illnos and throat doctors. 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:19.000 I helped them for six years in surgery. 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:22.760 We never did implantic or cochlear implant, but we would 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:25.600 work a lot with many illness that you that affect 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:29.520 the hearing. The cockle is a little harp that turns 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:32.320 two and a half times inside a shell. 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:34.760 And that's inside your that's inside. 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:37.360 Your ear, and that's the harp that resonates with the sounds. 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:39.640 If I saying there's. 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:42.160 One little string in that heart that's raising as if 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:43.960 you do it with a guitar or with a real heart. 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:44.360 You know. 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:51.160 I never finished illnoson throat. I stopped studying in the 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:54.440 second of the third year of the post degree. But 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:59.040 I do love Ironos's throat. I do love physiology and anatomy. 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:02.240 And my my brother is a in t. My sister, 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:07.080 she's a she's an ordontologist, so it's a whole family 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:14.280 of that. I'm the older son of a Jewish family, 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:17.200 half Jewish at least because my mother converted to marry 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:20.720 my father. But she's from Christian Spanish origins, so I 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:26.200 was really supposed to follow the family tradition, those heneracion 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:30.240 as manners. I grew grew up in a very closed 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:35.560 environment Uruguaian dictatorship, the house of two e in t doctors. 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:40.080 All their friends were et doctors, and no musicians around solo. 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:45.599 Just I really had a good life. I had a 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:46.360 very good job. 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:50.159 But at the same time, all that time, since I 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:52.599 was five years old, I was studying music and I 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:57.080 started writing songs when I was fifteen sixteen, and I 0:04:57.200 --> 0:05:00.960 never stopped doing music. So at some point I, when 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:04.040 I looked deeped inside myself, I said, what I really 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:06.159 want to do is to make a living on music. 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:07.680 So I moved to Spain. 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:10.400 And your mom and dad were like cc no. 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:12.960 No, they got completely crazy. When I left. My father 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:16.719 had been training me for six years in secret microsurgery 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:19.559 techniques that he had learned in Germany, and he said, 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:23.000 you're throwing away something that people are graving for. But 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:26.279 you know, I'm a really, really lucky person. 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:30.359 Even loving this thing, I had another one that I 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:38.279 loved more, so I moved to that one. 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:46.640 Porkala Muru lamento and herusalen la. 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:51.159 My father, I can't completely understand him, I mean, but 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:53.159 he had He did the same with his own father. 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:55.560 His own father a Jewish immigrant that my father was 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:58.880 born in Berlin too. He escaped the Nazis when he 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:02.719 was five years old in nineteen thirty nine, and his 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:05.159 father lost everything his family. 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:06.600 They started again in Bolivia. 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:11.080 They lived in Bolivia for twelve years, in Oruro, in Altiplano. 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:12.280 In Oruro, in Oruro. 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:15.320 Wait a second, yeah, wait, wait wait from Berliev. Wait 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:17.799 what year are we talking about? 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:22.960 Nineteen thirty nine until nineteen fifty something like that. 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:28.240 I just am having a moment of your grandfather and 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:31.960 your dad at five years old somehow getting from Berlin 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:35.600 to Duro. Can you just give me the short version 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:36.960 of how the hell that happens? 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:41.640 German Jews were very, very German. They didn't want to 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:45.039 leave Germany. They felt really proud of being German. They 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:47.479 thought that that was what was happening in the Holocaust 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:49.600 was something that was going to happen to the other Jews, 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:49.960 you know. 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:53.520 Not to them, because they were lighter skinned, and they 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:57.120 were educated, they were wealthy. 0:06:56.839 --> 0:07:00.000 They were like every immigrant. They wanted to release their pasts. 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:03.080 They changed a surname when they came into Germany. They 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:06.000 wanted to have a new identity. They wanted to leave 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:09.320 all the stettle and the Yiddish and although they spoke Yiddish, 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:11.600 they didn't want to speak English at home. They thought 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:13.680 German was better. So they didn't want to live and 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:16.160 they left in the thirty nine after the Crystal Nach, 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:18.960 the moment that they decided to live, it was almost 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:26.239 impossible to live. Already, the only country that stayed open 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:30.680 to Jewish refugees was Bolivia. It was a very brave nation. 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:33.240 I have a song called Bolivia. It's a song that 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:35.560 I wrote to thank you know, the poorest country in 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:38.960 South America giving asylum to one of. 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:42.320 The richest country in Europe, you know. And we should 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:54.240 not forget that. And obviously and the young cannot and 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:59.160 last conci because that goes back and forth all the time. 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:01.480 I mean, we we come and we go, and we 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:03.640 receive and we ask for. 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:06.560 As I look. 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:12.920 Anti from. 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:20.640 In nineteen fifty one, I think so they entered little 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:25.000 while from scratch. My grandfather built a a short factory. 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:27.440 Like a very Jewish professional Jewish profession. 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:31.360 He did really good, and at some point he offered 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:35.319 the factory to his two sons, my father and his brother, 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:38.440 and both of them said, I want my own life. 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:41.319 I want to be a doctor. So that happened again 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:41.920 with me and. 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:51.760 With him and lad Vermev korason Espera sing Sabermivia. 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:58.160 Okay, So the trauma, the exodus, the fear, the persecution. 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:02.960 Were you growing up with a sense of six million Jewish, 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:06.679 including my own family, were persecuted. How did you understand 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:09.199 that part of your legacy. 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:12.040 My father is a war child. 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:16.760 He doesn't trust reality, and he doesn't think that situations 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:19.520 are continuous. He knows that they change, and he knows 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:22.400 that they can change for bad. So he's always been 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:25.920 prepared for that, and he always transmitted that fear and 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:29.760 that you know, that alert to us too. So I 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:32.320 think it takes more than two or three generations to 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:35.640 lose that feeling of you know, the feeling that the 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:39.600 children in Ukrainia are having today that trauma is not 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:43.360 going away easily. I also got my share because I 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:46.400 grew up in a dictatorship. I entered the dictatorship with 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:49.400 nine years and I came. 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:50.120 Out with twenty. 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:54.280 All my emotional life, my sex life, all my relationship 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:57.559 life was built in a very oppressive system. 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:00.160 And that's going to take a long time. I had 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:00.680 to write. 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:04.800 I had to make a record called by just to 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:08.640 take the dictatorship out of my joints because I couldn't dance. 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:14.120 By Layla while La. 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:20.800 By Lay, I'm. 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:24.960 Still fighting that, I'm still Dictatorship is a very It's 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:27.640 inside me and I go everywhere with it. 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:31.240 And holocaust is also inside me through my father and. 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:39.320 I read my Starff and s and you. 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:45.760 In life, if you can celebrate, do celebrate, because celebrating 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:48.760 is a way of acknowledge that you will not always 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:49.760 be able to celebrate. 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:53.120 So just grasp that little joy that you find. 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:57.640 Because we come and go from saddness to by lay. 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:02.200 I have a lot of sadness and melancholy my songs too. 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:05.600 But but if I can celebrate, I think, and I celebrate. 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:09.360 You know, it's a choice, it's a choice. A man, 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:19.319 Kayla sing pila and la cuela. 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:24.800 You make this decision to say, my boy, and I'm 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:29.240 going to become an immigrant by your own choice in Spain. 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:32.640 And there were many places that you could choose to live. 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:34.040 What was it about Spain? 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:36.360 It wasn't a conscious decision. 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:39.680 I was thirty years old, I wasn't young, and I 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:42.600 had my own flat, my own practice, and I moved 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:44.600 to Spain to share a flat. 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:46.199 With nine other year wires in. 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:52.120 Madrid with no money and I think maybe two bathrooms 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:53.080 lightly so. 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:54.520 More so nice passim. 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:58.880 Yeah, I'm just playing little cafes for forty people and 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:01.960 not the Nine days later, I met the mother of 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:05.199 my first child, Anna, and of my first son, and 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:07.400 I fell in love with her so well I should 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:10.560 really it wasn't a brain decision. 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:16.240 Actually, stamos vilos, polkist tamos and movie mento. 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:25.480 But I have to say when I got to Spain, 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:31.120 very quickly I was invited by Joaquin Savina, mervous Spanish musician. 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:33.840 He invited me to perform with him in Spain and 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:37.120 I got to meet through him many other artists that 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:41.000 I admired, and very quickly they started asking me for 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:47.120 compositions and Abilene Victor, Manuel Keetama, Pablo Milanaise Rosario Flores. 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:54.240 At first, my parents were like horrified because I was 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:59.400 throwing a whole life and prosperity and a career outside. 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:03.040 But then I started making a little place for me 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:06.480 in the Spanish music as a writer, and very quickly 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:09.880 they moved to being just sad because I was away. 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:14.760 Love overcame that feeling of I think you ruined your life, 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:16.839 But at some point that they realized that I was. 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:18.800 Really happy and that made them happy too. 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:27.560 I started making a living of music when I was thirty, 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:32.079 but I started doing good when I was forty already, 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:34.480 and that was the first time I was having a 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:37.439 little success and it came all together. 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:37.720 You know. 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:41.000 Before that, the first ten years in Spain were really hard. 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:44.679 I didn't sell records. I was a completely failure in 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:46.800 my own selling record history. 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:47.880 Although I was really happy. 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:50.319 I was writing for other people and I was making 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:51.480 the records I wanted to make. 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:57.400 That was an important thing. Laplace through my rest plan 0:13:57.520 --> 0:14:02.120 to Elviento del. 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:10.480 Bocasus coming up on Latino USA Porte head Drexler's career 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:14.480 as a singer songwriter takes off to the very top. 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:15.920 Stay with us. 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:23.440 Either Lovelazlan. 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:39.800 Welcome back to Latino, USA. And before the break, I 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:45.000 was speaking with Uruwayyan singer songwriter Porthhead Drexler about abandoning 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:48.920 his career as an ear nosen throat doctor and then 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:52.480 making it as a musician in Spain. I wanted to 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:56.680 ask him about the aftermath of winning that Academy Award 0:14:56.880 --> 0:15:00.720 in two thousand and five, because Horge became be first 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:04.640 Uruaian to ever win an Oscar and this was the 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:08.600 first time a Spanish language song received. 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:09.160 An Academy Award. 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:12.880 You can't get any higher than winning an Oscar and 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.600 performing and people falling in love with you as a result, 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.360 And then you go into a very dark place. You 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:22.440 end up getting a divorce, and you end up making 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:27.400 an album about your divorce. How do you understand that process, 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:28.880 the falling? 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:30.640 I think it's a natural process. 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:34.040 That's one thing with prices and with expectations. I mean, 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:37.400 there is no good way out of expectations. If you 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:42.440 do achieve what you expected to achieve, the void that 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:46.640 comes after that. You know, I actually didn't expect to 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:48.840 win that. It was a crazy thing. It was the 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:50.360 first price I got in my life, and it was 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:54.280 the highest after the oscars. I had the choice to 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:58.560 decide whether I wanted to follow the circumstances or to 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:02.120 have agency in my life. Immediately, everybody told me, you 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:04.800 moved to Miami and to la and you know you 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:05.440 have an oscar. 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:06.920 Every door is going to be open. 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:11.440 You can make your big crossover record, your big Latin 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:15.160 happy crossover record. And I said, okay, but you know 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:17.520 what I have to choose. If I'm going to make 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:22.000 a record in what I am actually feeling, which is sadness, 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:26.000 twelve seconds of darkness the name of the record, A 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:28.960 very dark the darkest record, if I have to follow 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:32.240 my instinct and my truth or if I have to 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:35.200 follow the circumstances. And I said, I'm going to follow 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:43.040 my truth. I mean, it's as that symbol. I got 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:45.520 a divorce. We're already thinking about that for a long time. 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:49.600 But then I fell in love really quickly after the divorce, 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:53.480 and I couldn't cope with that mixture of success and 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:56.560 the happiness and sadness at the same time. Because divorcing 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:59.280 with children, it was the toughest thing that happened in my. 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:03.680 Life, jos cab Lumbo, the Regresso sing. 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:09.520 I think it's my most important record actually, and I'm 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:12.000 so proud because after that I realized. 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:12.680 Why am I a songwriter? 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:13.159 What? 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:14.560 Why do I write songs for? 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:14.879 You know? 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:19.040 Because you are like a deeply emotional person and you're 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:20.040 connected with all of. 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:22.560 These and I respect my emotions to more than I 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:23.920 respect the circumstances. 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:51.080 Ok No, sys, So I want to talk about your 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:55.600 evolution as a musician a little bit through your own songs, 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:57.920 and yeah, I'm gonna take you back a little bit. 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:02.040 So I want you to pick a song from your album. 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:06.720 This is Carabe. It's two thousand and eight, okay, three 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:11.560 years after the oscar It's a two hour long live album. 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:15.000 So one song from Caabe that you're like, yeah, this 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:16.640 is this one captures it. 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:18.879 I have the only song that I've co written with 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:24.960 my wife, and it's called Doves Doves bela Dova, which 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:27.520 is a very strange song. It's that's the only song 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:28.320 we wrote together. 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:31.960 And it's a song try lingual, half in Spanish, a 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:35.000 little bit in Italian and a little bit in English. 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:36.159 We wrote it together. 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:38.359 We were in the first years of our relationship and 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:41.040 it's a song I really love that I never got 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:42.000 to air too much. 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:52.640 You go on a way away time. 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:56.760 All right, we're gonna move forward to twenty ten. Yeah, 0:18:56.840 --> 0:19:00.959 you release a Madla Drama is there and that stands 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:01.520 out for you? 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:05.600 Yeah, I have two songs that send out Actually after 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:07.600 those wos a very dark record. 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:09.280 This is a record filled with a. 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:13.520 In the name ahmar La Trama really open feeling, open 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:14.320 chest feeling. 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:16.480 It's an homage to Madrid. 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:21.600 Camino for Madrid and to company. 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:24.199 I was living order for a long time, but I 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:25.840 fell in love with the city. I fell in love 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:30.159 with this amazing woman. We had this amazing son. And 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:33.280 so there's two songs that one called La tram Listen 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:35.040 Lassi that's dedicated. 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:39.600 To leonor Signal da Mosquez. 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:49.399 And there's no the Luca dedicated to my son Luca, 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:51.800 which is when I realized it was going to be 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:54.320 a father and for the second time, and all the 0:19:54.480 --> 0:20:05.520 healing that came to my life, not just with having 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:08.240 that second child, that put everything in an order in 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:12.600 your life after a very happy but difficult years, you know, 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:15.600 of transition from one life to another. 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:34.720 We will be right back, Hey, we're back. 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:37.320 We're gonna pick up where we left off with what 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:41.639 head Wrexler and talk about his song Plan Maestro, The 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:46.919 master Plan, So planned Maestro. I mean, that's like a 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:51.520 pretty big title, The master Plan. This is on the album. 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:55.040 This is written by your cousin who lives in Venezuela, 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:58.760 who is an astrophysicist. You have a very high performing family. 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:07.000 You talk about having the relationship of humanity close to 0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:11.239 you as you write. So you write this song with 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:13.919 your cousin who's in Venezuela when you're in Madrid. How 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:15.960 are you doing it together? And how did this play 0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:19.040 into you? Know, you have to have a relationship in 0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:20.280 music when you're writing it. 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:24.640 She's my cousin. She has the same age. I'm only 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:27.639 a few months older than her. So we have this 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:30.280 really strong connection, like an umbilical connection. 0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:38.199 Kria Era del Mesoku Guanda Queesa Slula Visionaria. 0:21:38.240 --> 0:21:40.399 I don't have told this anyone, but we actually operate 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:43.320 like twins with her. We have the same age, We 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:46.960 were best friends where we were children. We shared these 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:49.879 common interests, like we have the same hard disk. You know, 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:53.320 she is a scientist, but she's also a poet, we 0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:56.199 always feel this connection. And we started writing songs when 0:21:56.240 --> 0:22:00.080 we were fifty five years old. And she's been the 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:02.600 great the biggest influence I had in my in my 0:22:02.680 --> 0:22:10.040 music in the last years. When you go to my concert, 0:22:10.359 --> 0:22:12.840 the concert is opened by her voice. She speaks for 0:22:13.320 --> 0:22:15.920 four minutes talking about the invention of love in the 0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:17.640 Mesoproterozoic era. 0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:21.919 One thousand, six. 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:24.560 Hundred years ago, were the first two cells got together. 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:26.520 It's a love story. 0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:35.400 She wrote this beautiful decimo, which is a very complex 0:22:35.480 --> 0:22:38.960 verse form that you have in Mexico in the Sanjarrocho 0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:46.040 and the Wapangu. It's a ten verse structure that you 0:22:46.080 --> 0:22:47.360 have all over Latin America. 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:50.840 Unbriselos does who's carrying out. 0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:54.560 In Paraham. 0:22:56.040 --> 0:23:01.200 They have the galeron in Venezuela in Peru, Pajaores in Uhy, 0:23:01.280 --> 0:23:03.639 Repentistas in Kuba, Pajas in Chile. 0:23:03.880 --> 0:23:06.680 That they use the same verse form everywhere. 0:23:06.720 --> 0:23:13.680 What pang in Mexico come to Panama vers. 0:23:17.040 --> 0:23:19.119 So one of the things that you and I are 0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:21.840 lucky about, Jorge, is that one that we're still here, 0:23:22.280 --> 0:23:23.119 that we're still alive. 0:23:23.359 --> 0:23:24.439 That's a big one. 0:23:24.560 --> 0:23:25.399 That's a big one. 0:23:25.520 --> 0:23:28.920 And you and I are lucky in this one particular way, Jorge, 0:23:29.040 --> 0:23:31.000 that you and I still have a little bit of 0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:35.720 cred with the younger generations. Yeah, oh, Jo, I mean 0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:39.240 you're playing with Dietrees, You're playing with Natalia and so 0:23:39.320 --> 0:23:42.160 many others, and I just you know, when you pause 0:23:42.200 --> 0:23:45.080 and you think about that, just how do you understand 0:23:45.200 --> 0:23:47.399 to process this as we get older and at the 0:23:47.400 --> 0:23:50.240 same time that you got some intergenerational cred. 0:23:50.960 --> 0:23:52.120 Young people love you too. 0:23:52.800 --> 0:23:55.320 I was taught this by my father actually, when he 0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:59.000 was forty he had the Beatles records. It was the 0:23:59.040 --> 0:24:02.200 only person in his generation in euro White that would 0:24:02.240 --> 0:24:05.280 actually understand that there was a newer world and that 0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:08.359 newer world wasn't worse than the older world. 0:24:08.440 --> 0:24:09.960 When when he grew up, and. 0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:12.080 I mean he grew up with jazz music, but he 0:24:12.160 --> 0:24:14.800 understood the Beatles and he gave the Beatles to me. 0:24:15.280 --> 0:24:18.159 When we got into Bob Marley, he said, can I 0:24:18.200 --> 0:24:18.919 hear that again? 0:24:19.359 --> 0:24:21.240 That's really interesting? I mean, who's this guy? 0:24:21.280 --> 0:24:25.000 And it's my music in my generation, but he was 0:24:25.119 --> 0:24:27.520 open to my music and he gave me this message. 0:24:28.000 --> 0:24:31.600 Older people are still alive. I remember reading a book 0:24:31.680 --> 0:24:36.199 about Mario and Treja and asking him this book this 0:24:36.280 --> 0:24:38.399 is crazy I was a teenager. It's a book about 0:24:38.400 --> 0:24:40.600 a forty year old guy that falls in love. I mean, 0:24:40.840 --> 0:24:43.600 that can't be possible. You don't fall in love when 0:24:43.600 --> 0:24:45.879 you're forty or fifty. And he said, we have to 0:24:45.880 --> 0:24:50.919