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Speaker 1: I'm Lisaakazawa. Join me on season two of Stars and

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Speaker 1: Stars with Lisa, where I sit down with some of

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Speaker 1: the most exciting stars of our time to find out

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Speaker 1: what their birth chart reveals about their life's purpose, their relationships,

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Speaker 1: and their challenges. Winner of the Signal Award for Most

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Speaker 1: Inspirational Podcast, Stars and Stars will help you make sense

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Speaker 1: of today's complicated times. Even if you're an astrology skeptic.

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Speaker 1: You can listen to Stars and Stars with Lisa wherever

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Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. Don't forget to follow the show

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Speaker 1: so you never miss an episode.

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Speaker 2: From Futuromia. It's Latino USA. I'm Maria your Hosa.

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Speaker 3: Love on Love one.

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Speaker 4: Ye.

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Speaker 2: Drexler, the famous Uruayyan singer songwriter, first caught the world's

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Speaker 2: attention in two thousand and five when his song al

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Speaker 2: Otro Lado del Rio was in the movie The Motorcycle Diaries.

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Speaker 2: Jorge became the first Uruayan to ever win an Oscar.

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Speaker 2: This is the first Academy award and nomination for fort

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Speaker 2: Hay Drexler, and this was the first time a Spanish

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Speaker 2: language song received an Academy Award.

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Speaker 5: Clavo Miremone Lavua Jevo tureimon Elmeo.

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Speaker 2: I spoke with Jorge about key moments in his life

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Speaker 2: as a young artist, from growing up as the son

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Speaker 2: of a Holocaust survivor to becoming a doctor and then

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Speaker 2: deciding to drop his career in order to pursue music.

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Speaker 2: He also tells us why he turned down the opportunity

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Speaker 2: to become a global pop star just after winning the Oscar,

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Speaker 2: and of course we talk about his album Binta Epimpo

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Speaker 2: and why it almost didn't come to life. Our interview

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Speaker 2: first aired in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 5: No No Ma's mascotro Vicu.

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Speaker 3: Nina.

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Speaker 2: Okay, first of all, welcome to Latino, USA. I was

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Speaker 2: trying to remember when I interviewed you last. It turns

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Speaker 2: out I spoke with you in two thousand and five.

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Speaker 3: Yeah to the Oscars.

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Speaker 2: I think, yes, right after the Oscars, and you were

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Speaker 2: so happy. Yeah, and here we are comest us.

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Speaker 6: Well, I'm happy, I'm in New York. It's really a

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Speaker 6: pleasure to be here. Thank you first of all for

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Speaker 6: inviting me, for having me here today.

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Speaker 2: Here's the crazy thing. So as I was prepping for

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Speaker 2: the interview, and of course I'm reading about you, listening

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Speaker 2: to your music all the time, which was a gift.

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Speaker 4: And then I at one point I turned around.

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Speaker 2: I was like wundo itra otto rino. My father was

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Speaker 2: an ear nose and throat doctor. Really my father was

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Speaker 2: doctor Raulins from the University of Chicago. Helped to create

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Speaker 2: the cochlear implant, eliztabs to the and gone the electron microscope.

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Speaker 6: My father and my mother both were illnos and throat doctors.

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Speaker 3: I helped them for six years in surgery.

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Speaker 6: We never did implantic or cochlear implant, but we would

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Speaker 6: work a lot with many illness that you that affect

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Speaker 6: the hearing. The cockle is a little harp that turns

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Speaker 6: two and a half times inside a shell.

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Speaker 4: And that's inside your that's inside.

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Speaker 3: Your ear, and that's the harp that resonates with the sounds.

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Speaker 3: If I saying there's.

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Speaker 6: One little string in that heart that's raising as if

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Speaker 6: you do it with a guitar or with a real heart.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 6: I never finished illnoson throat. I stopped studying in the

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Speaker 6: second of the third year of the post degree. But

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Speaker 6: I do love Ironos's throat. I do love physiology and anatomy.

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Speaker 6: And my my brother is a in t. My sister,

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Speaker 6: of that. I'm the older son of a Jewish family,

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Speaker 6: was really supposed to follow the family tradition, those heneracion

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Speaker 6: All their friends were et doctors, and no musicians around solo.

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Speaker 3: Just I really had a good life. I had a

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Speaker 6: But at the same time, all that time, since I

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Speaker 6: was five years old, I was studying music and I

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Speaker 6: never stopped doing music. So at some point I, when

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Speaker 3: So I moved to Spain.

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Speaker 4: And your mom and dad were like cc no.

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Speaker 3: No, they got completely crazy. When I left. My father

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Speaker 3: had been training me for six years in secret microsurgery

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Speaker 3: techniques that he had learned in Germany, and he said,

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Speaker 6: Even loving this thing, I had another one that I

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Speaker 5: Porkala Muru lamento and herusalen la.

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Speaker 6: My father, I can't completely understand him, I mean, but

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Speaker 6: he had He did the same with his own father.

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Speaker 6: His own father a Jewish immigrant that my father was

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Speaker 6: born in Berlin too. He escaped the Nazis when he

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Speaker 6: was five years old in nineteen thirty nine, and his

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Speaker 6: father lost everything his family.

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Speaker 3: They started again in Bolivia.

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Speaker 6: They lived in Bolivia for twelve years, in Oruro, in Altiplano.

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Speaker 3: In Oruro, in Oruro.

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Speaker 2: Wait a second, yeah, wait, wait wait from Berliev. Wait

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Speaker 6: Nineteen thirty nine until nineteen fifty something like that.

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Speaker 2: I just am having a moment of your grandfather and

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Speaker 2: your dad at five years old somehow getting from Berlin

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Speaker 2: to Duro. Can you just give me the short version

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Speaker 2: of how the hell that happens?

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Speaker 6: German Jews were very, very German. They didn't want to

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Speaker 6: leave Germany. They felt really proud of being German. They

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Speaker 6: thought that that was what was happening in the Holocaust

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Speaker 2: Not to them, because they were lighter skinned, and they

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Speaker 6: They were like every immigrant. They wanted to release their pasts.

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Speaker 6: They changed a surname when they came into Germany. They

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Speaker 6: they left in the thirty nine after the Crystal Nach,

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Speaker 6: the moment that they decided to live, it was almost

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Speaker 6: impossible to live. Already, the only country that stayed open

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Speaker 6: to Jewish refugees was Bolivia. It was a very brave nation.

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Speaker 6: I have a song called Bolivia. It's a song that

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Speaker 6: I wrote to thank you know, the poorest country in

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Speaker 3: The richest country in Europe, you know. And we should

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Speaker 3: not forget that. And obviously and the young cannot and

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Speaker 6: I mean, we we come and we go, and we

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Speaker 3: As I look.

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Speaker 6: In nineteen fifty one, I think so they entered little

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Speaker 3: Like a very Jewish professional Jewish profession.

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Speaker 6: He did really good, and at some point he offered

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Speaker 6: and both of them said, I want my own life.

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Speaker 3: I want to be a doctor. So that happened again

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Speaker 5: With him and lad Vermev korason Espera sing Sabermivia.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So the trauma, the exodus, the fear, the persecution.

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Speaker 2: Were you growing up with a sense of six million Jewish,

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Speaker 2: including my own family, were persecuted. How did you understand

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Speaker 2: that part of your legacy.

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Speaker 3: My father is a war child.

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Speaker 6: He doesn't trust reality, and he doesn't think that situations

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Speaker 6: that they can change for bad. So he's always been

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Speaker 6: that you know, that alert to us too. So I

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Speaker 6: children in Ukrainia are having today that trauma is not

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Speaker 6: going away easily. I also got my share because I

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Speaker 6: grew up in a dictatorship. I entered the dictatorship with

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Speaker 3: Out with twenty.

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Speaker 6: All my emotional life, my sex life, all my relationship

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Speaker 6: life was built in a very oppressive system.

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Speaker 3: And that's going to take a long time. I had

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Speaker 6: I had to make a record called by just to

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Speaker 5: By Layla while La.

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Speaker 3: By Lay, I'm.

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Speaker 6: Still fighting that, I'm still Dictatorship is a very It's

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Speaker 6: inside me and I go everywhere with it.

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Speaker 3: And holocaust is also inside me through my father and.

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Speaker 5: I read my Starff and s and you.

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Speaker 6: In life, if you can celebrate, do celebrate, because celebrating

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Speaker 3: So just grasp that little joy that you find.

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Speaker 6: Because we come and go from saddness to by lay.

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Speaker 3: I have a lot of sadness and melancholy my songs too.

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Speaker 6: But but if I can celebrate, I think, and I celebrate.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's a choice, it's a choice. A man,

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Speaker 3: Kayla sing pila and la cuela.

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Speaker 2: You make this decision to say, my boy, and I'm

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Speaker 2: going to become an immigrant by your own choice in Spain.

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Speaker 2: And there were many places that you could choose to live.

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Speaker 2: What was it about Spain?

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Speaker 3: It wasn't a conscious decision.

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Speaker 6: I was thirty years old, I wasn't young, and I

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Speaker 6: had my own flat, my own practice, and I moved

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Speaker 3: With nine other year wires in.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm just playing little cafes for forty people and

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Speaker 6: not the Nine days later, I met the mother of

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Speaker 6: really it wasn't a brain decision.

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Speaker 5: Actually, stamos vilos, polkist tamos and movie mento.

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Speaker 6: But I have to say when I got to Spain,

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Speaker 6: very quickly I was invited by Joaquin Savina, mervous Spanish musician.

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Speaker 6: He invited me to perform with him in Spain and

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Speaker 6: I admired, and very quickly they started asking me for

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Speaker 6: compositions and Abilene Victor, Manuel Keetama, Pablo Milanaise Rosario Flores.

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Speaker 6: At first, my parents were like horrified because I was

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Speaker 6: But then I started making a little place for me

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Speaker 6: in the Spanish music as a writer, and very quickly

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Speaker 6: they moved to being just sad because I was away.

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Speaker 6: Love overcame that feeling of I think you ruined your life,

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Speaker 6: But at some point that they realized that I was.

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Speaker 3: Really happy and that made them happy too.

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Speaker 6: I started making a living of music when I was thirty,

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Speaker 6: but I started doing good when I was forty already,

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Speaker 6: Before that, the first ten years in Spain were really hard.

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Speaker 6: I didn't sell records. I was a completely failure in

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Speaker 3: Every door is going to be open.

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Speaker 5: Life, jos cab Lumbo, the Regresso sing.

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Speaker 6: I think it's my most important record actually, and I'm

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Speaker 3: Why am I a songwriter?

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Speaker 3: Why do I write songs for?

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Speaker 2: Ok No, sys, So I want to talk about your

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Speaker 2: So I want you to pick a song from your album.

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Speaker 2: This is Carabe. It's two thousand and eight, okay, three

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Speaker 2: So one song from Caabe that you're like, yeah, this

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Speaker 3: I have the only song that I've co written with

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Speaker 6: And it's a song try lingual, half in Spanish, a

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Speaker 3: We wrote it together.

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Speaker 6: We were in the first years of our relationship and

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Speaker 3: You go on a way away time.

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Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna move forward to twenty ten. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you release a Madla Drama is there and that stands

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I have two songs that send out Actually after

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Speaker 3: This is a record filled with a.

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Speaker 6: In the name ahmar La Trama really open feeling, open

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Speaker 3: It's an homage to Madrid.

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Speaker 5: Camino for Madrid and to company.

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Speaker 6: I was living order for a long time, but I

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Speaker 4: We will be right back, Hey, we're back.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna pick up where we left off with what

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Speaker 2: head Wrexler and talk about his song Plan Maestro, The

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Speaker 2: This is written by your cousin who lives in Venezuela,

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Speaker 6: She's my cousin. She has the same age. I'm only

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Speaker 5: Kria Era del Mesoku Guanda Queesa Slula Visionaria.

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Speaker 6: I don't have told this anyone, but we actually operate

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Speaker 4: It's a love story.

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Speaker 6: She wrote this beautiful decimo, which is a very complex

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Speaker 3: Unbriselos does who's carrying out.

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Speaker 4: In Paraham.

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Speaker 6: They have the galeron in Venezuela in Peru, Pajaores in Uhy,

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Speaker 2: So one of the things that you and I are

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Speaker 3: That's a big one.

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Speaker 4: That's a big one.

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Speaker 2: And you and I are lucky in this one particular way, Jorge,

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Speaker 4: Young people love you too.

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Speaker 6: I was taught this by my father actually, when he

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Speaker 3: When when he grew up, and.

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Speaker 6: I mean he grew up with jazz music, but he

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Speaker 6: When we got into Bob Marley, he said, can I

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Speaker 3: That's really interesting? I mean, who's this guy?

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Speaker 6: And it's my music in my generation, but he was

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Speaker 6: Older people are still alive. I remember reading a book

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Speaker 3: And you can be open to things that are new.

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Speaker 5: Okay, look oka, look atz Oka, look at Oko.

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Speaker 6: I have this world that I started using a few

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Speaker 3: That's the secret.

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Speaker 6: Because when I hear but Bunny, I tried to understand

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Speaker 6: I really admire his work. He's very different from me.

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Speaker 6: Setangan is his age, which I worked a lot, and

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Speaker 6: Talk my daughter, eleven year old, she comes and shows

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Speaker 3: I sit down on the floor and I listened very

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Speaker 6: I want to know what the world is about, just

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Speaker 3: There are great things that I learn right now, and

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Speaker 3: It's not better than my present.

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Speaker 6: Actually, my presence is the only thing that I have,

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Speaker 3: So I love urban music. I listen to urban music

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Speaker 6: I'm looking forward to working with people that have very

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Speaker 6: It's not a management or a marketing advice.

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Speaker 3: I just love being.

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Speaker 6: Alive, dmingdim and I love the present. I love dancing

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Speaker 6: a lot, going out and meeting people and trying to

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Speaker 3: I decantar linamente Luez.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for offering me this time. It has been

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Pimp Didi tim Didi Timo.

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Speaker 2: This episode was produced by Patricia Sulvaran. It was edited

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Speaker 2: by Marta Martinez. It was mixed by Julia Caruso and

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Speaker 2: Gabriela Bias. Fernando Echavari is our managing editor. The Latino

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Speaker 2: USA team also includes Roxanna Guire, Jessica Elis, Rebecca Renaldo Junior,

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Speaker 2: Stephanie LAbau, Andrea Lopez Cruzado, Yorman Marquez, Julieta Martinelli, Monica

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Speaker 2: Moreles Garcia, JJ Krubin, Adriana Rodriez, Nancy Trujillo, Benile Ramires

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Speaker 2: and I are co executive producers.

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Speaker 4: I'm Your Host Maria Josa.

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Speaker 2: Latino USA is part of Iheart's Mykeldura podcast network. Executive

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Speaker 2: producers at iHeart are Leo Gomez and Arlene Santana. Join

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