Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Devin Simone and I am Davon Rogers
Speaker 1: and this is MTV's official Challenge podcast.
Speaker 2: Yes oooh, it is the Official Challenge podcast.
Speaker 1: With so much going on in the podcast, on the show,
Speaker 1: the Twitter streets, all the places, let's give a quick
Speaker 1: reminder of what happened this week, because y'all know with
Speaker 1: TJ on his chaos thing, it's just a lot going on.
Speaker 1: So this week we had the challenge Tower of Power
Speaker 1: where they use rubble to block each other from getting
Speaker 1: to the top of the tower. We have the Orange
Speaker 1: team win.
Speaker 2: We have poor Kylin's face lose. The guys.
Speaker 1: We had j Corey, em Manuel and James, and we
Speaker 1: had Berna, Mariah, raven Zara and Nourice for the girls
Speaker 1: on the winning team.
Speaker 2: Shout out to the winning team.
Speaker 1: Now they vote in after vote in one girl, they
Speaker 1: vote in Melissa, surprise surprise, and then the house votes
Speaker 1: in Big t also surprise surprise. If you can't hear
Speaker 1: the sarcasm in my voice, go back and replay it again.
Speaker 1: Then we have the draw for the mercenary.
Speaker 2: We have.
Speaker 1: Now, y'all know, when you saw the buns start moving
Speaker 1: in the shadows, you are knew who was gonna be
Speaker 1: the one and only Casey Clark aka Nanni's fiance shout
Speaker 1: out to them. Both Casey comes out, big T and
Speaker 1: Melissa are happy because they have friends right like, they
Speaker 1: know that they're friends with Casey, which is really great
Speaker 1: to see. I'm hoping that Casey draws, you know, the
Speaker 1: Chaos Battalion. Unfortunately she doesn't. She draws Big T. Super sad.
Speaker 1: I think everyone's really sad. That means it's gonna be
Speaker 1: Casey versus Big T. The elimination is pull in the
Speaker 1: storm because TJ just add the words in the storm
Speaker 1: because it happened to be raining.
Speaker 2: Cool, TJ, we see what you did there. Well, Ultimately
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 1: Actually a pretty tight call for it being a champ
Speaker 1: versus a non champ.
Speaker 2: First round goes to Casey, second round goes to big T.
Speaker 2: But ultimately Casey pulls out the win and sings big
Speaker 2: T home. Not only does she send big T home,
Speaker 2: she's taking ten thousand dollars from the team's prize pot.
Speaker 2: So sad to see Big T leave, But wow, what
Speaker 2: an episode day. What are your thoughts about this week's episode?
Speaker 3: This episode was so good.
Speaker 4: I was jaw on the floor because I didn't understand
Speaker 4: why my Kyl and Mike Kylan, Myke Kyland this rope
Speaker 4: like and in his mind, I really believe he was like,
Speaker 4: I gotta get this done. I think it was he
Speaker 4: created this pressure for himself that wasn't necessarily there, and
Speaker 4: so he created this pressure for himself to do this
Speaker 4: rope thing and it just went terribly bad.
Speaker 3: And then he gets.
Speaker 4: Hit in the face with the chain and it's just,
Speaker 4: oh my goodness, it just it was not.
Speaker 3: A great episode. Oh my friend, Kylon, it was not
Speaker 3: a great episode.
Speaker 2: He handled that like a champ, though, my guy, he
Speaker 2: I mean the amount of blood. He yes, yes.
Speaker 3: It was not good. It was not good.
Speaker 4: But seeing my girl, let me tell you something, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna stand beside her all day, big t I'm gonna
Speaker 4: stand beside her, seeing her go toe to toe with
Speaker 4: Casey and was hanging. She was hanging, And I'm just
Speaker 4: so proud, Big Ti girl.
Speaker 3: I'm just so proud of you. I'm so so I'm
Speaker 3: so proud of you.
Speaker 4: And Kasey Cayman did would need to be done, took
Speaker 4: another tenth fat they losing money, I think Michelle said
Speaker 4: eventually they're gonna start owing money.
Speaker 1: They really are, they really are at this rate. And yes,
Speaker 1: it was it was beautiful, safe for Big T to see.
Speaker 1: For Big T, I feel like this has been Big
Speaker 1: T season in a way, and I am just here
Speaker 1: for it. I also feel like this is the perfect, real,
Speaker 1: like pivotal point for her. You know when TJ said,
Speaker 1: I believe you'll be a champ one day, you know,
Speaker 1: like I believe you're gonna come back, Like I am
Speaker 1: rooting for that to happen.
Speaker 2: Let's make that happen. So rooting for Big T.
Speaker 1: If we had to do Sittowns of the Week and
Speaker 1: we had to do gold Star of the Week, I'd
Speaker 1: say that my sit down of the week is actually
Speaker 1: gonna have to go. It's gonna have to go to Melissa.
Speaker 1: We don't throw things. We learned that in pre pre
Speaker 1: pre k and then we're reminded of it usually yearly.
Speaker 1: But you just don't throw. I understand being mad, I
Speaker 1: understand someone pissing you off, but.
Speaker 2: Just just don't.
Speaker 1: Just don't. It's we're better than that. Don't do that.
Speaker 1: It's not good. And then pour a soft shirt. I mean,
Speaker 1: his shirt didn't do anything to deserve getting red wine
Speaker 1: on it, So that was just to lose. That's who
Speaker 1: my Time out of the week is my gold star,
Speaker 1: Big Ta. She is a champ in my mind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everything that she did this season, even going toe to
Speaker 1: toe with Casey, we love you, Big T.
Speaker 2: Cannot wait to see you come back.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that you're not officially retired, and I
Speaker 1: believe she has everything it takes to get a win
Speaker 1: one day, what about you day?
Speaker 4: So time out of the Week, of course it's going
Speaker 4: to go to Melissa as well. I gave it to
Speaker 4: her last week for not how to keep her feet
Speaker 4: to herself, and so I'm going to give it to
Speaker 4: her right again, like baby, we don't throw stuff like you.
Speaker 4: Gotta control yourself a little better. And then my gold
Speaker 4: star for the first time, like you, I have contenders, Okay,
Speaker 4: I have contenders, and so I have ASoft because I
Speaker 4: appreciated the entire Ross dress.
Speaker 3: For last I thought it was so cute.
Speaker 4: It showed him in a very a very genuine, almost
Speaker 4: innocent spotlight. Also, Jane, the way he tied these chains, okay,
Speaker 4: the way he worked hard and tie them chains, and
Speaker 4: then his whole thing about getting this money for his
Speaker 4: I'm a sucker for it. I'm looking for a man
Speaker 4: who talk about his mama. Love that em manual gameplay.
Speaker 4: I'm starting to watch him and I'm noticing, like my
Speaker 4: eyes are starting to drift to watch how he's playing
Speaker 4: this game. His gameplay is starting to take a shift,
Speaker 4: and I feel like he's going to be in this
Speaker 4: thing for a while.
Speaker 3: Olivia.
Speaker 4: I don't know what it is about this season, but
Speaker 4: she's becoming the confessional queen this season. You notice how
Speaker 4: many confessionals she's done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's confessional queen.
Speaker 3: She's talking a lot.
Speaker 2: She's talking a lot, but talking a lot, but talking good.
Speaker 3: Like, let's say confessional count queen. Let's take count queen. Yeah,
Speaker 3: say that she's getting the count.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, but you know, talking a lot and giving good,
Speaker 1: giving dress for less soundbites are two different things.
Speaker 4: She getting a big count this season, and then of
Speaker 4: course our girl Big T.
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, my winner is going
Speaker 3: to go to Big T. For sure.
Speaker 4: She came, she saw, she conquered one half, and that
Speaker 4: was to show that she can potentially become a champ.
Speaker 4: And I really believe that, and I hope that for her.
Speaker 4: So yeah, my ultimate winner for my goal star would
Speaker 4: be big.
Speaker 1: Ty, not you running just on a confessional count, you
Speaker 1: know what, I pay attention off, like.
Speaker 3: You know, Brandon Butter, So I gotta watch who my
Speaker 3: composition is.
Speaker 2: Who's funny?
Speaker 1: They pick good storytellers, but then they also pick people
Speaker 1: who are funny and give one liners. And the funniness
Speaker 1: I feel like stands out more than anything. Not that
Speaker 1: Olivia's not funny, but Asaf has been rock even Jay
Speaker 1: has been saying some stuff that's kind of hilarious sometimes,
Speaker 1: like in his confessionals.
Speaker 2: I feel like we should j Jay did.
Speaker 3: What did he say?
Speaker 1: He was talking about somebody's strategy a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: That was hilario what he was trying to explain. Oh
Speaker 1: and by the way, Jay's theory this week when he
Speaker 1: was trying to explain the untying the necklace, then it's
Speaker 1: deeper than time.
Speaker 2: That like you know what, you know what?
Speaker 1: Anyway, all exactly d like and everybody and his team
Speaker 1: tried to rally behind him like they were all like yeah, yeah, like.
Speaker 2: That sounds good. He had not a clue, not a clue.
Speaker 1: Also good, you guys have no clue what's in store
Speaker 1: for you. This week, we finally have him on. I
Speaker 1: respect the fact that he's ready. He's going to come
Speaker 1: and step into the heat and he's going to talk
Speaker 1: about his gameplay this season, his strategy, his commentary, everything.
Speaker 1: We have a wonderful interview with the probably one of
Speaker 1: the messies people this season, the Corey Lay. He's going
Speaker 1: to talk about his sit down of the weeks and
Speaker 1: how many of those he's accumulated. All of that, So
Speaker 1: grab your snacks. It's going to be a great listen
Speaker 1: and stay tuned because right after this we have Corey
Speaker 1: Lay coming up.
Speaker 4: All right, friends and cousins and them and everybody else
Speaker 4: that's listening to this podcast.
Speaker 3: I have to say, this.
Speaker 4: Is my most anticipated guest, and I'm so glad that
Speaker 4: he came to hang out with us.
Speaker 3: Give it up one time for Corey. Corey Is.
Speaker 5: I've been anticipating this too. I think I think it's
Speaker 5: been very obvious. You know, there's some criticism about some
Speaker 5: of the things I've done in this season, and I'm happy.
Speaker 6: To talk about it.
Speaker 5: You know, the highs, the lows, criticisms, whatever. I'd be
Speaker 5: the first to admit to everyone that what I some
Speaker 5: of the decisons I made I would not make again.
Speaker 6: But I'm happy to jump into whatever we need to
Speaker 6: jump into.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, listen, let's let's dive on right into it,
Speaker 4: because before we even get into this episode, I want
Speaker 4: to take it back. Okay, yeah, back to last week's episode, Baby,
Speaker 4: what what happened?
Speaker 3: Specifically deliberation?
Speaker 6: What happened?
Speaker 5: Yeah, So to give you guys the honest truth, I
Speaker 5: was trying to play both sides of the house, right.
Speaker 5: I was trying to because I did build a strong
Speaker 5: personal connection to Big Team Melissa over the course of
Speaker 5: you know, this point of the season, my quote unquote
Speaker 5: American Alliance or whatever you want to call that group
Speaker 5: of people. They caught wind of it and they were like,
Speaker 5: we can't trust Corey and we don't know where he stands.
Speaker 5: Michelle told me before that nomination that it was going
Speaker 5: to be me, and she is the one person who
Speaker 5: knew that I was getting information from Big Team Melissa
Speaker 5: to shared to the Alliance.
Speaker 6: I think one of my issues that I didn't share
Speaker 6: that with a lot of people.
Speaker 5: But anyway, fast forward, I made it sound harsher than
Speaker 5: I was actually doing it because I knew if I
Speaker 5: didn't just put a line in the sand and unfortunately
Speaker 5: throw big teamless under the bus, I would have a
Speaker 5: really big number of people that were going to be
Speaker 5: coming after me day after day after day. And I
Speaker 5: made the decision that I'm going to burn two people
Speaker 5: to gain back the larger number.
Speaker 6: Of people because of me getting caught playing bull sides.
Speaker 6: That was my fault.
Speaker 5: And then I basically lied about it and tried to
Speaker 5: spin it so that my alliance would trust me again.
Speaker 6: So that's how that happened. And it wasn't fair. You know,
Speaker 6: it wasn't fair.
Speaker 1: Do you feel bad about how you how hard you
Speaker 1: went because I know you said ultimately you threw them
Speaker 1: under the bus because you're trying to kind of pivot,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate you acknowledging that. Do you feel like,
Speaker 1: do you feel at all sort of because now only
Speaker 1: did you throw them under the bus, Cory, But it
Speaker 1: seemed almost like you threw the under the bus and
Speaker 1: then you ran over them, and then you like put
Speaker 1: it in reverse and forward and then you like went
Speaker 1: over them again a couple of times.
Speaker 6: Like it was.
Speaker 1: It was pretty it was, and I was just like, what,
Speaker 1: who is this, Corey, like, what is happening?
Speaker 2: So do you Yeah, what are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 5: No, I do, and I wish they had shown it.
Speaker 5: But before Big T left we did talk. I had
Speaker 5: a conversation with her in the club and one of
Speaker 5: the biggest things that I know I made a mistake
Speaker 5: doing is that I you know, I'm a gamer in
Speaker 5: real life. I play a lot of video games. I
Speaker 5: play a lot of strategy games with a lot of
Speaker 5: board games, and I do really cut those things in
Speaker 5: those games because it's not against real people. And I
Speaker 5: think coming into this game, I saw it as this
Speaker 5: is just another one of the video games I play,
Speaker 5: and I did not take into account that I was
Speaker 5: actually going to be hurting people's feelings, and that is
Speaker 5: That's something that I own and I know that's a mistake,
Speaker 5: and so I apologized to her in the club and
Speaker 5: I told her like, I'm sorry for dehumanizing you and
Speaker 5: making you just be upawn in my game. And that's
Speaker 5: not fair because I ultimately, you know, I was happy
Speaker 5: to be there for her multiple times in the season
Speaker 5: when she decided to share her coming out story to
Speaker 5: the world, I know what that feels like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we saw a clip of that, and that just
Speaker 2: seems yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: And I know that I know some of the some
Speaker 5: of the concerns and big t side is, you know,
Speaker 5: was that real from Coreya?
Speaker 6: Was that not real?
Speaker 5: And you know, I got back into a corner and
Speaker 5: went back to a corner I don't make great decisions,
Speaker 5: and me not making great decisions, I was very shortsighted.
Speaker 5: I'm like, how can I win my alliance back? But
Speaker 5: I didn't taken the consideration how that is going to
Speaker 5: hurt another person who's very close to me or you know,
Speaker 5: or what was close to me at the time. So like,
Speaker 5: I don't want to pretend that the way that I
Speaker 5: went about.
Speaker 6: Things was correct.
Speaker 5: I think I saw this as a game only and
Speaker 5: I did not take into consideration how I was going
Speaker 5: to be affecting other people. And I do feel bad
Speaker 5: and I did communicate this to Big Deal, and I yeah,
Speaker 5: I don't know, there's some people who won't believe me,
Speaker 5: but like it's the honest truth, Like it's multiple people,
Speaker 5: Like there's two people in the season who don't like me.
Speaker 5: It's a big team Melissa, everybody else get attest to that.
Speaker 5: I am genuine I am honest, I try my best.
Speaker 5: I make mistakes and I will own up to them,
Speaker 5: and I hope I don't make them again.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the question, Corey, because I know Day just
Speaker 1: to get back to like last week's episode, and I
Speaker 1: really do appreciate because yes, look, we were one hundred
Speaker 1: percent side eye. I'm definitely sure you got some of
Speaker 1: the sit down of the weeks in past episodes on
Speaker 1: this podcast, as we were side one in your gameplay.
Speaker 1: But even before last week's episode, weeks prior we sort
Speaker 1: of see because we had big tea on where it
Speaker 1: seemed like she felt betrayed once again. So while I
Speaker 1: hear you in the apologizing and I feel like that
Speaker 1: seems more in line with the Corey, who you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know you time together again. I was telling Day,
Speaker 1: I was like we had a great time, Like we
Speaker 1: grabed drinks at the hotel, like it was a great time.
Speaker 1: He seemed wonderful, and so it was really hard to reconcile.
Speaker 1: But given that you've done it, not just in last
Speaker 1: week's episode, but that you've done it before, can you
Speaker 1: walk us through maybe a little bit more like just the.
Speaker 6: Thoughts we can take it all the way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because an episode and episode one, you know, there's
Speaker 5: the moment when it's the Girls Day and everyone is
Speaker 5: trying to decide who do we want to throw in?
Speaker 6: Multiple answer thrown out.
Speaker 5: I think most people are deliberating between Melissa and big
Speaker 5: T and Berna at that point. So Bernard to me
Speaker 5: extremely close friend. I remember for two years we talk
Speaker 5: a lot, and I don't know how in episode one
Speaker 5: it gets so pent up on me, like, oh, Corey
Speaker 5: is gunning after Big T. When I walk into a
Speaker 5: room where there's three men talking about who to vote in,
Speaker 5: they're talking about Big T. I joined that conversation and
Speaker 5: I say, if we go down this path, it's smart
Speaker 5: because this is getting missed by a lot of people.
Speaker 5: I give her a lot of credit and I say,
Speaker 5: big T is smart. She's good at this game. And
Speaker 5: I give her a lot of credit that the longer
Speaker 5: she's here, because I know she's smart and social, she's
Speaker 5: going to be able to build a large alliance. And
Speaker 5: that was my point, is like, hey, if we're going
Speaker 5: to do this, I think it makes sense because she's smart.
Speaker 5: I didn't say anything bad about her. I didn't make
Speaker 5: anything personal. The one or One of the lessons I
Speaker 5: learned from the season is I came in connected to
Speaker 5: a bunch of people that I didn't even really know,
Speaker 5: and I was connected to them because Michelle was my
Speaker 5: number one coming in and I wasn't her number one,
Speaker 5: which puts me in a lot of really bad situations.
Speaker 5: But she's not willing to protect me the way she
Speaker 5: prepict Jay. I know that that was a mistake, and
Speaker 5: I wish that I would have been able to work
Speaker 5: with people that I was connecting to on a more
Speaker 5: personal level instead of the people that I was on
Speaker 5: paper aligned with and Big tim Melissa were people that
Speaker 5: on a personal level, I connected to them a lot faster,
Speaker 5: a lot closer, a lot sooner than some other people
Speaker 5: in my alliance.
Speaker 6: But I felt so.
Speaker 5: Beholden to aligning with the writer Dies people because of Michelle,
Speaker 5: and so honest, I don't want to blame Michelle for
Speaker 5: what I did at all, but I felt like I
Speaker 5: had no options. And in the beginning the house deciding
Speaker 5: who to vote for, the girls were already saying big
Speaker 5: Team Melissa. The guys are already saying it. I said,
Speaker 5: if we're going to do this, it makes sense because
Speaker 5: she's smart, and it gave her a lot of credit.
Speaker 6: I think there's some like there's some.
Speaker 5: Opinion on the internet that I actually don't like Big
Speaker 5: Ta as a person. That the opposite of the truth.
Speaker 6: And I don't think. I've never said anything but her character.
Speaker 6: I never said anything.
Speaker 5: I never said she's a bad person. I've never said
Speaker 5: that she never called out of her name. I've never
Speaker 5: said anything actually negative. My one thing I say in
Speaker 5: this early on in episode one is that she's smart.
Speaker 5: See social, So longer she's here, the biggest he's a threat.
Speaker 5: And that's I will give her her credit because she
Speaker 5: that's scared to me, because I'm not good at those things.
Speaker 5: As we see, I'm not good socially, I'm not good politically.
Speaker 6: I'm not y'all.
Speaker 2: This season really weren't great at it, Corey, So don't
Speaker 2: feel bad.
Speaker 5: I know I know so much when I watched this.
Speaker 5: So yes, I'm sneaky, but at least I own up
Speaker 5: to it. But I watched this. Everyone is being sneaky,
Speaker 5: everyone's secret alliances. Everyone's like Emmanuel told Kylan, all let's
Speaker 5: work together. Three seconds later, Oh, I'm still gunning for him.
Speaker 5: Like I understand how a lot of it's coming on me,
Speaker 5: but we were all kind of messy, we're all kind
Speaker 5: of stupid. But I do think, you know, if I
Speaker 5: do come back through another season, the people I connect
Speaker 5: with personally are the people that I will align myself with.
Speaker 5: I'm not just gonna show up and suddenly be like, oh,
Speaker 5: I'm working with these cold people because this person who
Speaker 5: that well I'm not even their number one, but they're
Speaker 5: my number one, is telling me that I should.
Speaker 4: I'm so glad that you brought that up about Michelle
Speaker 4: and Jay and the loyalty there because hindsight twenty twenty right,
Speaker 4: looking back at.
Speaker 3: It, was it worth it? Was it worth it? The
Speaker 3: whole situation?
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean to have even to have Michelle
Speaker 4: turned to you after that whole spiel of you trying
Speaker 4: to save your face in front of your alliance.
Speaker 3: For Michelle's time to you look you right in the face, right,
Speaker 3: I'm still going to vote for you.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna write, how was that?
Speaker 6: How did that feel? Yeah? I was. I felt stuck.
Speaker 5: There was nothing I could do, like I either had
Speaker 5: to stay with these people who aren't ultimately going to
Speaker 5: have my back of push comes to job or I
Speaker 5: defect the other side and they're still going to vote
Speaker 5: me out anyway. So it's like, I, honestly, I didn't
Speaker 5: know what to do. I felt like I was a
Speaker 5: rock and a hard and me being in that place
Speaker 5: made me discredit Big Ta Melissa as people, and like
Speaker 5: one thousand percent, I don't want to defend what I
Speaker 5: did and how I treated them. I will say that
Speaker 5: initially me wanting to vote them in had to do
Speaker 5: with me being afraid of Big T and how strong
Speaker 5: he is socially. And then it became a thing where
Speaker 5: it's easier to keep saying the same person's name over
Speaker 5: and over again, and the gross of my alliance are
Speaker 5: already saying it, I might as well go with them,
Speaker 5: you know. I wish I had more of a backbone
Speaker 5: sometimes and didn't do those things, because there's plenty of opportunities.
Speaker 5: Like me and Raven are often sometimes floating around the
Speaker 5: outside of this American alliance, and I think in hindsight,
Speaker 5: we could have trusted each other worked with each other
Speaker 5: because we were in the same position and we're both
Speaker 5: actually not bad competitors in the game, and.
Speaker 6: So I think Raven and I could have.
Speaker 5: Been in the outskirts and built like this little outsider
Speaker 5: alliance or something. I mean, even Kylan wasn't really embedded
Speaker 5: into the American group as much as like Jay was
Speaker 5: or Michelle I. Michelle and j were the top of
Speaker 5: the pyramid. Everybody knows that, and nobody tried to knock
Speaker 5: them off.
Speaker 4: I don't whoo. At no point was that a conversation.
Speaker 4: Nobody wanted to say, you know what, let's just shoot
Speaker 4: shoot the snake in the hand.
Speaker 5: It's just it's very it's very intimidating because if you
Speaker 5: miss it in the way that the chaos format was,
Speaker 5: you shoot somebody. And I learned this harmy with this off.
Speaker 5: You take a shot and we can talk about that too,
Speaker 5: about the thing.
Speaker 2: But we definite to talk about You already know Corey,
Speaker 2: you already know who you're gonna let best live, right,
Speaker 2: But no, it's.
Speaker 5: Like you knew if you'd take a big shot like
Speaker 5: I also, I wanted to say Rassio for a long time.
Speaker 5: The problem is Rossio is now hooking up in Maurice,
Speaker 5: who's super well connected. Olivia is his writer eyes super
Speaker 5: well connected. If you take a shot at that man
Speaker 5: at the house, who's capable of winning daily challenges, it's
Speaker 5: probably gonna win and vote you out. So like it
Speaker 5: was a very tight rope to be on and I
Speaker 5: just felt stuck a lot of the time. That I mean,
Speaker 5: Colleen felt this way too at times. Is we had
Speaker 5: to fight for an alliance that was not fight for us,
Speaker 5: and because of that we were somewhat forced into shitty situations.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I don't know what.
Speaker 5: Else to say other than like, I personally do not
Speaker 5: have a problem with Big Team Melissa. The one thing
Speaker 5: that I wish that I could have communicated better is
Speaker 5: and I know there were like Melissa to medd this
Speaker 5: a couple of weeks ago or a month ago at
Speaker 5: this point that you know, I was there for Big
Speaker 5: T when she was coming out, and then like X
Speaker 5: amount of days later I was going against them in
Speaker 5: a nomination, and so it made it seem disingenuous and
Speaker 5: like the one thing that's more important to me than
Speaker 5: anything and why I'm even on this show is because
Speaker 5: I want to see queer people succeed and be represented
Speaker 5: and do well.
Speaker 6: And so I hate the fact that like the one.
Speaker 5: Reason that I go on these shows for is being
Speaker 5: questioned by my decisions and I will tell you guys
Speaker 5: that I'm like, I'm reflecting on me, like why did
Speaker 5: I make those decisions? And like the beauty of this
Speaker 5: show in general is you can come back over and
Speaker 5: over again and you can hopefully play a better game,
Speaker 5: and like, you know, I mean mistake. This is the
Speaker 5: second time I came from a weird dating show. It's
Speaker 5: even on TV anymore. I ever put in these situations
Speaker 5: where I have to do hard things and it's a
Speaker 5: lot of money to win. So I was also clouded.
Speaker 1: By that do you feel like this had how do
Speaker 1: you feel it was similar and different? Because I feel
Speaker 1: like we spoke about this on the Challenge Aftermath with
Speaker 1: Huey exactly right and where we saw this thing where
Speaker 1: Huey ultimately was like, hey, bro, we could have been
Speaker 1: aligned because we share this sort of mission right and
Speaker 1: wanting to be a representation both positively and support one another.
Speaker 1: And you guys made up in that moment, which is
Speaker 1: beautiful to see, But it seemed like you had some
Speaker 1: regrets around how you targeted hue Then what similarities because
Speaker 1: I feel like I see some between your gameplay this
Speaker 1: season and that season, And then what things do you
Speaker 1: feel you did differently. If any in trying to make
Speaker 1: good on that promise to Huey or that sort of
Speaker 1: commitment back there wanting to do better next go round,
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 5: With me and Huey, like you know, we I came
Speaker 5: in like that's my brother. I will not say his name.
Speaker 5: And even when there was the deliberation when him and
Speaker 5: I were both the names up, I didn't.
Speaker 6: Rally for Hueye.
Speaker 5: I was like, you guys, make your decisions. I'm not
Speaker 5: going to tell you not to vote for me over
Speaker 5: Earth and then vote for Hugh.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah. So I just sat back and I, you know,
Speaker 5: me and Huey had conversations and I said, if I
Speaker 5: have to go in because I didn't throw you under
Speaker 5: the bus, I'll go in because like that, that's a
Speaker 5: that's a ligne with Sanda, won't I will not cross
Speaker 5: ever again.
Speaker 6: And I think when it comes.
Speaker 5: To the Big Tea stuff is I felt like I
Speaker 5: had no options just because on day one I showed
Speaker 5: up and I was aligned with Michelle's group, and I
Speaker 5: wish I didn't put myself in that situation because then
Speaker 5: I'm telling you now, I would have.
Speaker 6: Aligned with Big tea Melissa.
Speaker 5: The problem was I knew if I did that, there's
Speaker 5: what twelve people and this other alliance that aren't over
Speaker 5: half the house that are gonna turn on me and
Speaker 5: it it. It was hard and that's part of me
Speaker 5: where you know, if I come back to this again,
Speaker 5: I am not doing that again. I may have a
Speaker 5: number one maybe one guy, one girl, whatever, people that
Speaker 5: I actually genuinely have known for years, but like I
Speaker 5: met Mariah Raven Nourice saw all these people I met
Speaker 5: the day I showed up, and I'm.
Speaker 6: Supposed to be in this.
Speaker 5: I'm supposed to be in this like untethered or this.
Speaker 6: This alliance with these people. Yeah, they don't know me.
Speaker 6: I don't know them.
Speaker 2: But did a self know that? Because he sure look
Speaker 2: hurt at that moment.
Speaker 1: And then the Cory the way you were alike two
Speaker 1: weeks ago, I mean right, he was like crying like
Speaker 1: you were gonna be like the best man, Okay, child's
Speaker 1: god bothered. And then you were like I met you
Speaker 1: two weeks ago. I was like, damn, Corey.
Speaker 2: That was cold. Yeah walk us through, Like had you
Speaker 2: so reponded a little bit or like yes.
Speaker 5: We were so The thing that's so interesting is like
Speaker 5: we were all all no one's guards were up because
Speaker 5: we're all pretty new at this, so we all just
Speaker 5: became really close friends. Yeah, and it's hard to tell,
Speaker 5: I think, but a lot of us were very close.
Speaker 6: We hung out. I mean, you know, you lived together,
Speaker 6: we lived like all of us.
Speaker 5: I had never had a conversation with the sopht where
Speaker 5: I said I'm never gonna say your name, so I
Speaker 5: didn't expect him to have that expectation of me.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 5: And I will also note he called me his best friend.
Speaker 5: I never said those words. I never said a soft
Speaker 5: as my best friend, not to say that. I don't
Speaker 5: think I was close to him. I'm not, like you know,
Speaker 5: but it's like I can go down the list of
Speaker 5: like I didn't want to say James because James and
Speaker 5: I are built similarly.
Speaker 6: We're the largest people in the house.
Speaker 5: And I figured, if I'm going to go to a final,
Speaker 5: I want someone there that is physically comparable to me,
Speaker 5: because his endurance might be the same as mine, or
Speaker 5: you know, probably not as good since I've seen his elimations.
Speaker 6: But yeah, so Ran, that's that's more equal to me.
Speaker 6: A competitor. People like Arassio.
Speaker 5: Emmanuel way have as much as me and run marathons
Speaker 5: and stuff for fun. So so not going to say
Speaker 5: him was not in my alliance. Colum was screwed up
Speaker 5: with Michelle kieran Is, so I wanted to say, who's
Speaker 5: put up with Raven? And then I was working with
Speaker 5: I don't think I do a good job explaining this,
Speaker 5: but there was a spy slies and allies alliance kind
Speaker 5: of and so that's why I didn't want to say
Speaker 5: a Manuel. And then everybody else is kind of an American,
Speaker 5: So who's in a soft as like, I don't know
Speaker 5: anybody knows him, so I chose him, And I.
Speaker 1: Mean, I feel like that block right there just explains
Speaker 1: your game play or yeah, you were connected to I'm.
Speaker 6: Gonna need you to the web connected.
Speaker 2: Because you look like you were working with yourself.
Speaker 1: And at one point, I think it was Melissa who said, oh,
Speaker 1: Corey seems trustworthy, and I was like, to who at
Speaker 1: this point, to who, It's like, yes, you were, So
Speaker 1: I see though the tangent sh You're like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to piss off Raven. Raven's connected here, like because
Speaker 1: I think also because there were so many hookups this season.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it seems like that made it that
Speaker 1: much more complicated because now you got to start kind
Speaker 1: of looking out for someone's boo too, and then they
Speaker 1: just do it.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't have that luxury, right.
Speaker 5: It seems like Mariah with James now now they have
Speaker 5: two sides spending both of them. Me Corey lay my
Speaker 5: single ass. I'm just sitting there watching a bunch of
Speaker 5: straight people hook up, and I'm like, Okay, what am
Speaker 5: I supposed to do? Like Michelle is getting protection from
Speaker 5: Callum and the Internationals, Mariah's getting it now, Raven's getting
Speaker 5: it somewhat, Island is getting it from Melissa and Big T,
Speaker 5: and like It's one of the things that I've talked
Speaker 5: about in general is like it is a little bit
Speaker 5: harder for us gays sometimes, just.
Speaker 6: In that aspect.
Speaker 5: It's like I got to sit there and watch a
Speaker 5: bunch of people hook up and get drunk and do
Speaker 5: these things, and I'm just like diddling in the corner,
Speaker 5: not seeing a like like I can't paul A Dick.
Speaker 5: There's no way what am I gonna do? What am
Speaker 5: I gonna flirt with? Where some people not say the
Speaker 5: hookups of the season were disingenuous, but like, it's also an
Speaker 5: advantage to the game, but people have done that in
Speaker 5: the past, but no, it was that decision most hard.
Speaker 5: So there was a web of people, and that is
Speaker 5: also a learning lesson is I will never do this again.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to show up and align myself with
Speaker 5: people who are not actually going to fight for me.
Speaker 5: I'd rather have a solid two or three people so
Speaker 5: that I don't feel like I need to backstab people.
Speaker 6: And also I'm not being like they forced. I feel
Speaker 6: like my.
Speaker 5: Hand was forced some of the times because I was
Speaker 5: not able to play the game the same way as
Speaker 5: other people without getting like, everybody's being shifty and shady.
Speaker 6: But why does it only matter when Corey does it?
Speaker 5: You know, everybody's talking to big team Melissa, but oh,
Speaker 5: if Corey does it, we can't trust him.
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, because it seemed like you were
Speaker 1: super bold with it, and it seemed like there was
Speaker 1: and I'm just telling you from a viewer standpoint. Obviously
Speaker 1: there's a lot that wasn't shown behind the scenes, so like,
Speaker 1: I totally get that, but it just seemed like you
Speaker 1: were super bold with it. It also seems that and look,
Speaker 1: I'm working on it too, but that you are react
Speaker 1: can be a little reactionary now, not as reactionary as
Speaker 1: Melissa and that wineglass she threw, but reactionary in the
Speaker 1: sense that when someone does approach you or say, hey, Corey,
Speaker 1: what are you doing, your instinct is to be like you,
Speaker 1: I don't know you like, yes.
Speaker 5: Yes, that is a very bad defensive mechanism and thing
Speaker 5: that I have, and I'm.
Speaker 6: More aware of it now than I. Let's just say that, but.
Speaker 5: I think I would benefit a lot if I would
Speaker 5: just take a deep breath, wait a couple of seconds,
Speaker 5: let myself think, let my mind process before I before
Speaker 5: I speak. But that is that. That's unfortunately not how
Speaker 5: things have gone so far.
Speaker 4: As to be fair in that environment. Sometimes you don't
Speaker 4: have time to say, let me take a stand back,
Speaker 4: because where do you go everywhere?
Speaker 6: You don't really have yeah time, so yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you can still digest and not pop off
Speaker 1: though or there's not me. We know, Davon, you work
Speaker 1: on that too, we know, we know, but you can still.
Speaker 2: It can be done. It has been done. It can
Speaker 2: be done.
Speaker 6: It is I don't like I guess said earlier.
Speaker 5: I don't want to be dismissive of how I responded,
Speaker 5: because at the end of the day, I did hurt
Speaker 5: two people.
Speaker 6: Yeah, deeply, very much.
Speaker 5: Can I acknowledge that I apologize wholeheartedly to them?
Speaker 6: Nothing personal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is turning into a really refreshing yet messy,
Speaker 1: but refreshing episode.
Speaker 2: I'm loving it.
Speaker 1: All Right, we have to say a quo break, but
Speaker 1: we'll be right back for more refreshing messiness after this.
Speaker 3: Okay, you guys, let's get back to the show.
Speaker 1: Have you spoken to Big Ta or what have you
Speaker 1: guys said since So when we.
Speaker 5: Left the house, we were fine, although I notice she
Speaker 5: followed me at some point after filming before airing, I
Speaker 5: reached out to her.
Speaker 6: At that point we talked.
Speaker 5: I was in a different space where I was I
Speaker 5: don't want to I was somewhat blaming other people for
Speaker 5: my actions like I did ultimately in some ways feel
Speaker 5: like I was forced to protect an alliance I wasn't
Speaker 5: going to protect me, and because of that, I back
Speaker 5: in the corner and made bad decisions which ended up
Speaker 5: hurting people. And so when the season first ended, I
Speaker 5: communicated that to Big T.
Speaker 6: And I was like, I felt forced.
Speaker 5: Time went past from there, and I told her, it's
Speaker 5: not fair for me to blame Michelle for the fact that.
Speaker 6: I did this, because I'm my like, I am a like.
Speaker 6: I made the decisions myself.
Speaker 5: I may have been put in a corner, but how
Speaker 5: I reacted was my own responsibility. It's my fault, so
Speaker 5: it's not fair to blame Michelle for that. So I
Speaker 5: took that back and I said Big t Like, I
Speaker 5: own this. It's it's unfair for me to blame them.
Speaker 5: You shouldn't be mad at them. That's the last time
Speaker 5: we've talked directly. And then, you know, last time I
Speaker 5: talked to Melissa was when she was saying that I
Speaker 5: wasn't actually supportive of Big Tea coming out. And then
Speaker 5: after that, you know, that really kind of hurt me
Speaker 5: at a deeper level because it kind of questions who
Speaker 5: I am as a person and my my integrity. So
Speaker 5: I ended up blocking both of them, and now I
Speaker 5: just haven't engaged with I don't know what they're saying,
Speaker 5: if they're saying anything about me anymore, because it was
Speaker 5: actually to be on it was draining of my mental health,
Speaker 5: Like I don't want to have a bunch of people
Speaker 5: on the internet thinking that I don't support other queer people.
Speaker 5: Like if I had known Big T's everything about her
Speaker 5: when we showed up on day one, I would have
Speaker 5: made it very clear to everyone I'm gonna work and
Speaker 5: try to protect her as much as I can. Unfortunately,
Speaker 5: just like I did with Big T, I told everyone
Speaker 5: they knew, no matter what you're gonna do, I'm not
Speaker 5: going to say his name, and like I not, like
Speaker 5: I did with Huie, Like with Huey, I told him
Speaker 5: there's no way of saying his name because, like I
Speaker 5: want to see another gay man do well. We don't
Speaker 5: do well on the show, we don't make finals, we
Speaker 5: don't do stuff. I want him to do well. And
Speaker 5: I wish I had known like I would.
Speaker 6: I just wish. I mean not to say it's her
Speaker 6: job to tell me things.
Speaker 5: But like I would have found a way to prioritize
Speaker 5: her if I had known sooner, and it just sucked it.
Speaker 5: By the time I found out, she was already on
Speaker 5: the outside of things, and I felt like I didn't.
Speaker 6: Have any choices, and k that's not true.
Speaker 5: Maybe I did have choices and I should have just
Speaker 5: you know, had a stronger backbone and been like I'm
Speaker 5: going to stand all my business and you know that's
Speaker 5: that's there's so much to learn about myself.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like yourself or you doubt yourself?
Speaker 1: I feel like you doubt yourself Corey sometimes, like I
Speaker 1: think your ability both in the game and even just
Speaker 1: like when we get to see the the authentic sides
Speaker 1: of you, how charming and warm it is, and like
Speaker 1: how people might gravitate to that. Do you think you
Speaker 1: give yourself? You don't always give yourself enough credit of
Speaker 1: like you being you, being good enough, just like you're
Speaker 1: good enough to not settle for someone where you're doing
Speaker 1: everything to make them your number one, but they are
Speaker 1: not making you number one.
Speaker 5: So to be very honest with you, I'm a very
Speaker 5: I'm a very insecure person and I think it comes out.
Speaker 6: In this environment and.
Speaker 5: M yeah, so I think a lot of my decisions
Speaker 5: and things that I've done come from that. And it's
Speaker 5: it's yeah, it's just it is what it is. Like
Speaker 5: I hated, like I just I felt so alone this
Speaker 5: season and me trying to find people made me hurt
Speaker 5: other people Big Ta Melissa being those people, and it
Speaker 5: like I'm.
Speaker 6: Not proud of it, you know.
Speaker 5: And and this is like the thing about me is
Speaker 5: I I can own up to my things and I
Speaker 5: can be brutally honest to myself about myself. People may
Speaker 5: not necessarily understand why I do things, but I do
Speaker 5: things and I wish I'd sometimes handled them better. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but this is the honest truth is I was trying
Speaker 5: to find my group of people there and feeling like
Speaker 5: I was going to lose those people that I thought
Speaker 5: I was supposed to be.
Speaker 6: Too or aligned with.
Speaker 5: It just it it made me do things that weren't great.
Speaker 5: And the problem with me is I noticed, I realized
Speaker 5: a lot of the stuff, and hindsight, it takes me
Speaker 5: time to realize why.
Speaker 6: I'm reacting the way I am to things.
Speaker 5: But when I do eventually realize it, like that's why,
Speaker 5: like you see me, I apologize to people and like
Speaker 5: I'm not afraid of apologizing or admitting that I was wrong,
Speaker 5: Like that is one of my strengths.
Speaker 6: Like I will admit, but I will, he we all will.
Speaker 2: If you saw making mistakes, Corey, that means you're dead.
Speaker 1: And that's a whole other concern because being means you're
Speaker 1: not alive.
Speaker 2: Anymore everybody does.
Speaker 1: And I appreciate you being vulnerable and owning up to
Speaker 1: all of this and sharing and even about the insecurity.
Speaker 1: We all have insecurities, and we've all hurt people intentionally
Speaker 1: or unintentionally. And I hope that if you take nothing
Speaker 1: away from this, it's knowing that moving forward, both in
Speaker 1: the challenge house in life, your tribe will never require
Speaker 1: you to act out of character man period. Your tribe
Speaker 1: will love you because you or you period. They will
Speaker 1: not require you to act out of character character to
Speaker 1: try to keep up with me.
Speaker 6: To the mess were those people. They weren't going to
Speaker 6: judge me, And.
Speaker 4: You know what's so, but you know, let'son learn.
Speaker 6: And I'm so.
Speaker 4: Glad that you spoke about that as in you you
Speaker 4: feeling by yourself and trying to find your space.
Speaker 3: Because I could see that. I could see that you
Speaker 3: were trying.
Speaker 4: To find where you were, where you belong and because
Speaker 4: you were secure and where you belonged, you were doing
Speaker 4: things that were out of your character. Because even at
Speaker 4: the deliberation, after you did your whole spiel with Melissa
Speaker 4: and Big T and then I can't remember, I think
Speaker 4: it was Melissa had said something to you and then
Speaker 4: you kind of like or a big t and you
Speaker 4: stuck your tongue out at her while she was talking.
Speaker 4: And I was like, that was really forced and that
Speaker 4: was not It didn't seem.
Speaker 6: Trying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. See that's why I love the podcast
Speaker 3: because we were Now we get the backstory and we
Speaker 3: get a little bit more understanding. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: You don't just look like this villain per se.
Speaker 5: Whenever the bitchy side of Corey comes out, it comes
Speaker 5: out because I'm trying to hide something in myself from
Speaker 5: coming out, and it's it's you know, I didn't I
Speaker 5: felt like I'm going to fit in with the boys
Speaker 5: on the straight bros in a house I don't necessarily
Speaker 5: fit in with the women, even though that I get
Speaker 5: along with women well as a gay man. And so
Speaker 5: I just felt like I was foundering trying to find
Speaker 5: a home and I couldn't find it. And you know,
Speaker 5: I don't know, I probably will make more mistakes this
Speaker 5: season in lieu of, you know, in that direction of
Speaker 5: like where do I belong.
Speaker 6: And how to I? Like, what do I do when
Speaker 6: no one's fighting for me? Because no one was?
Speaker 1: Sometimes you learn that you, a party of one is
Speaker 1: sometimes better than a fake group of what look as
Speaker 1: someone who never fully fitted in the challenge house.
Speaker 2: It's okay.
Speaker 1: Some people are meant to stand out, and that's okay,
Speaker 1: and that's your superpower. And I think if there's one
Speaker 1: thing beautiful about a Big T and Melissa, it's certainly
Speaker 1: not their social game and their late last minute bribes.
Speaker 1: Although I appreciate Big T pulling out the dollars to
Speaker 1: try and make something happen to save herself. But but
Speaker 1: they they they like are comfortably marked to the beat
Speaker 1: of their own drum.
Speaker 2: And I think that's probably something I.
Speaker 5: Admire, and I wish that I wish that I would
Speaker 5: always do that same thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's growl the mom and me wants to also
Speaker 4: step in and say, this is not an excuse for
Speaker 4: your behavior, and this does not this cannot be.
Speaker 2: It doesn't absolve for it does not at all.
Speaker 4: But but it's so good to hear why and now
Speaker 4: we know, well, you know what not to do, and
Speaker 4: others who may have been in that situation before, who
Speaker 4: may not know her, you know what I'm saying, Now
Speaker 4: they know what to do moving forward and not to
Speaker 4: have that you know, sort of disposition moving forward.
Speaker 3: So I'm so glad that you're coming forth and you're
Speaker 3: being one raw and vulnerable with us.
Speaker 1: That's what as to know better is to do better.
Speaker 1: So you're no better now.
Speaker 6: And that's why I came into this thing.
Speaker 5: I don't want to sit here and try to dismiss
Speaker 5: or act like everything I did was good. You know,
Speaker 5: at this point, I've had I don't know how many
Speaker 5: months to you know, reflect and think about these things.
Speaker 5: And you know, I we'll see you. We're big tea
Speaker 5: and Melissa and I go with our relationship with each other.
Speaker 5: I don't hold it against them whatsoever if they decide
Speaker 5: to just not ever be friends with me, because you know,
Speaker 5: I cannot respond or I can't control all people react
Speaker 5: to me hurting them, right, I will. I will let
Speaker 5: them know that I apologize and the ball is going
Speaker 5: to be in their court at some point. But as
Speaker 5: of right now, I've just stepped away from things. I
Speaker 5: think the noise is getting too loud online.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I don't.
Speaker 5: Need to just be called all types of things by
Speaker 5: exchange on the internet. Right because of my mistakes trying
Speaker 5: to play a game to win money, and yes they
Speaker 5: were mistakes, but you know, let me learn, let me grow.
Speaker 5: I've seen people do much worse things on the show,
Speaker 5: you know so, And that's also I don't want to
Speaker 5: dismiss things by.
Speaker 1: Saying that, yeah, yeah, I appreciate, because I was just
Speaker 1: thinking that as you said it, Corey, I was like,
Speaker 1: don't backslide.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what people did, right, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 5: What matters is me, the mistakes I made and how
Speaker 5: I grow from them. And you know, I will not
Speaker 5: make the mistakes again. Just like with Hue, I made
Speaker 5: the mistakes of being very short sighted and wanting to
Speaker 5: go into an elimination. And I said it then and
Speaker 5: I'll say it now. I'm very glad he beat me
Speaker 5: because it taught me a lesson.
Speaker 2: This is also taught me that, which is great.
Speaker 1: So you really, I will say, you owned up the
Speaker 1: things that you said back then with spieslies and allies
Speaker 1: about how you would approach it differently, with you, you
Speaker 1: kept to your word. You actually did do it this season,
Speaker 1: which is really cool and great to see.
Speaker 6: So it's next time.
Speaker 5: I'll do the same thing too. I will fight for
Speaker 5: those who are fighting for me. I will not make
Speaker 5: I will not didn't. I will not push aside people's
Speaker 5: humanity and their feelings just for my pursuit of this game.
Speaker 2: Again, would you say that's the question?
Speaker 7: You know, you know, you know it's actually for me
Speaker 7: and a soft for so since all this has gone
Speaker 7: down him and I Actually so, there's people I talked to,
Speaker 7: you know, a lot from the show afterwards, and he's
Speaker 7: one of them.
Speaker 5: And I think, you know, he saw a best friend
Speaker 5: in me before I saw a best friend in him,
Speaker 5: and I do think now where we are today, I
Speaker 5: would consider him one of those because he is such a.
Speaker 6: Very fiercely loyal person. And I think for me, I.
Speaker 5: My guard is up all the time, and so somebody,
Speaker 5: if somebody like a Stoft comes in who is genuine
Speaker 5: and very open, very early to me something about that,
Speaker 5: doesn't trust it because I think it's not the experience
Speaker 5: I've had with people in my life. So I think
Speaker 5: that's why I diminished how a Softs were for our
Speaker 5: friendship at the time. But I do think if there
Speaker 5: is another season, just like I think asof is somebody
Speaker 5: that is in my list of this is this is
Speaker 5: the number one for me. Although he's gonna Cha's gonna
Speaker 5: be his number one, So maybe I'm not gonna maybe
Speaker 5: it's not gonna be the case, but like it's somebody
Speaker 5: that I will actually look out for and will not
Speaker 5: say his name, whereas in this season I was fine
Speaker 5: with saying his name.
Speaker 6: I don't see that happening again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which, I mean your your point was sort of valid.
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about to like this season
Speaker 1: and this week. So what do you think went wrong
Speaker 1: with the other team during their challenge in this episode?
Speaker 5: So you know, when we were deliberating before the challenge
Speaker 5: on what is our strategy, thankfully Jay called out, you
Speaker 5: have to get all the chains, and so the very
Speaker 5: first thing that we did, we had a lot of
Speaker 5: fast people on my side. We ignored everything except for
Speaker 5: the chains. I think there were seven chains available. We
Speaker 5: got six of them because that was our number one
Speaker 5: priority and we knew they cannot untie those things. I
Speaker 5: think Kylan had the strategy around, you know, obviously have
Speaker 5: good knots and do all these things, but he did
Speaker 5: not take into account that the change we're gonna make
Speaker 5: or break the challenge, whereas Jay was able to see
Speaker 5: that Jay's done it before he beat ct which is
Speaker 5: insane that he did that, and we just took his
Speaker 5: advice and we knew we got to get every single
Speaker 5: change that we can and nothing was gonna stop it.
Speaker 5: This is where that tug of war came from. It's
Speaker 5: like you got me and James, gigantic guys trying to
Speaker 5: pull everybody and that was the last chain.
Speaker 6: We're like, no, we're taking this. I'm sorry, and we
Speaker 6: got it from him. It was so crazy.
Speaker 4: That was insane. Great strategy. Awesome strategy because I mean
Speaker 4: they struggled when they came home, they struggled.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I know. Was that in comparison to
Speaker 3: what we saw?
Speaker 6: It was so so.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you see it a little bit afterwards. There was
Speaker 5: blood dripping, like half of his shirt, his jersey was blood.
Speaker 5: I think they had to replace it because they didn't
Speaker 5: even wash out like when they lotched ourselves. Oh my god,
Speaker 5: I thought he got a concussion maybe if we'd have
Speaker 5: to go to the hospital.
Speaker 6: But they just gave him a little stitches, I think.
Speaker 6: And I mean he's a trooper because if that happened
Speaker 6: to me, a position.
Speaker 2: Or something, right, don't right?
Speaker 4: Kind of got you going, keep going, people going, Mama
Speaker 4: he is a trooper.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think that earned him some goodwill in
Speaker 1: the house seeing as how, you know, we saw him
Speaker 1: sort of feel responsible for his team not doing well.
Speaker 1: Do you think him getting injured like that and still
Speaker 1: being a trooper, Like, I don't think.
Speaker 6: So, honestly, you know, I think.
Speaker 5: It's just so interesting because like we see the power
Speaker 5: dynamics in the house right now, and there's just one
Speaker 5: side that really has all the power and no matter what,
Speaker 5: whatever that side wants to do is probably gonna happen.
Speaker 6: Uh, And so we know not towards the top of
Speaker 6: that list, right.
Speaker 5: So, like, I don't know, it's it's it looks like
Speaker 5: I said, hindsight is whatever. But looking back, it's like,
Speaker 5: why didn't some of us who run the out skirts
Speaker 5: just band together? Because I can win daily challenges, Kyland
Speaker 5: Quinn daily challenges, Colleen Berna, Like we could win daily challenges.
Speaker 5: Why are we not this little unit in the corner
Speaker 5: somewhere doing things?
Speaker 6: And yeah, we felt like we had to be loyal.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and people like you know, like I'm still I'm
Speaker 5: friends with Michelle, so don't get me wrong.
Speaker 6: But like, yeah, there's a reason she won survivor.
Speaker 2: She's extremely sure, sure at.
Speaker 5: Maneuvering social situations and manipulating things enough.
Speaker 6: Where it's like she's not totally.
Speaker 5: Lying or doing anything, but she's steering things subtlely in
Speaker 5: a direction. And like the problem is we all knew
Speaker 5: it but didn't do anything.
Speaker 2: And she's only gotten better too as she's done.
Speaker 6: I know that she's so challenges And.
Speaker 1: I understand your point about if you fire shots in
Speaker 1: a house like this, where essentially she is taking top
Speaker 1: rank because there aren't more established vets in the house
Speaker 1: that if you fire shots at Michelle, you have to
Speaker 1: do it very smart and make sure you don't miss,
Speaker 1: because if you miss, that's a big And for.
Speaker 5: Me, Michelle wasn't the one to get out. It was
Speaker 5: like I want, like, how can I become her number one? Okay,
Speaker 5: well Jay's her number one? How can we get rid
Speaker 5: of Jay somehow? But that's impeable And then you know,
Speaker 5: it's like that those are things that I acted on,
Speaker 5: but they were thoughts in my head. Is because I
Speaker 5: knew very well that no one was going to fight
Speaker 5: for me as hard as I was going to fight
Speaker 5: for that, which is why I was when the Michelle
Speaker 5: thing happened and she was upset that I set a.
Speaker 6: Song that you want her. Yeah, That's when I realized
Speaker 6: she's not actually going to fight for me. She's going to.
Speaker 5: Or not just her, but the Alliance is going to
Speaker 5: see me as a tool to get what they want.
Speaker 6: Me me, me, me, Yeah, and once they're done with
Speaker 6: me as a tool.
Speaker 5: Further, they're going to kick you out. Yeah, which is
Speaker 5: why I started talking to James a bit more. But
Speaker 5: then you know, it was it was a crap. It
Speaker 5: was crap for me. It was very hard to navigate this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're still there, so you are still there.
Speaker 1: And do you feel like it was harder for you
Speaker 1: to navigate that or harder for Raven to navigate away
Speaker 1: from that drink?
Speaker 2: Melissa through that moment? What did you guys see that coming? Like?
Speaker 2: What walk us through? What that moment in the club
Speaker 2: was like?
Speaker 5: So we saw them talking, you know, it starts kind
Speaker 5: of cool, and then voices are getting raised, and I
Speaker 5: think Melissa stands up first and I'm just looking like
Speaker 5: a hawk because literally all eyes were on them. Nobody
Speaker 5: else was talking because they were starting to escalate things.
Speaker 5: And for me, once I saw the drink thrown. I
Speaker 5: was like, I don't want to see someone get decubed. Like, honestly,
Speaker 5: I give my hats off to Raiven. Yeah somebody.
Speaker 2: She handled that drink very well.
Speaker 5: I you you guys have seen how I reacted on
Speaker 5: getting yelled at. Yeah, if you if you throw a
Speaker 5: drink at it, I don't know what I would have would.
Speaker 1: I feel like my strat you would have been to
Speaker 1: try and be like, yes, you know a glass we
Speaker 1: heard it, I heard right right. It wasn't just the
Speaker 1: liquid in it. The glass broke, So then I would
Speaker 1: have been like that seems.
Speaker 3: Very golf because it's the US golf. Yeah, because I.
Speaker 5: Know we're on videos, so you know, I think what happened.
Speaker 5: So Melissa threw her drink right or threw the drink
Speaker 5: at Raven. Raven stood up threw her drink back at Melissa.
Speaker 5: But the glass slipped out of her hand, so it
Speaker 5: wasn't that she was throwing it like I'm angry.
Speaker 6: It was like, no, I'm gonna get you back.
Speaker 5: You just poured your wine on me and then it
Speaker 5: slipped out and it landed, and you know, yeah, and
Speaker 5: also Raven, I don't think she's that kind of person
Speaker 5: when she's gonna be like like Raven would be like
Speaker 5: I will beat you in the game.
Speaker 6: I don't want need DQ. So that's not how Raven moves.
Speaker 5: She didn't want to see Mosca DQ that way, but
Speaker 5: like I said, I don't know if I would have.
Speaker 2: Probably you would want to see you get cut that way?
Speaker 2: You put what in my.
Speaker 1: Edge to right, And then talking about his shirt from
Speaker 1: Ross Dressed for less Es, he said that he really
Speaker 1: loves his shirt and he had a bunch of wine
Speaker 1: on it.
Speaker 6: In his shirt, which I love me some Ross, so
Speaker 6: I love that shouted them out.
Speaker 2: That was hilarious.
Speaker 6: I think.
Speaker 4: So funny to me was the fact that he said
Speaker 4: dress for I've never heard anyone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so funny, so funny.
Speaker 5: That he's accidentally funny too, Like that's just his personality.
Speaker 5: He's not like amping it up for a confessional like, oh,
Speaker 5: what can I say that's funny. It's like no, this
Speaker 5: man just talks and it's just like, yeah, he is
Speaker 5: somehow this is entertaining.
Speaker 3: He's very entertaining. Let's get into.
Speaker 4: Right by be yay, be okay, so casey the casey
Speaker 4: okay comes out like super beats and has very much
Speaker 4: so earned that title. Who did you want to see
Speaker 4: you go against Casey?
Speaker 6: So Melissa, because Melissa has made a final.
Speaker 5: And I think this is one of the things I
Speaker 5: said early on, is if you've been in a final,
Speaker 5: I don't want you there because you have experienced that
Speaker 5: I don't have. She'd be more prepared for what is
Speaker 5: it like to stay up overnight or go up a
Speaker 5: mountain in snow like she did, or whatever the final
Speaker 5: might be. So for me it was Melissa. I also
Speaker 5: knew she's a very strong competitor. I saw that it
Speaker 5: was a pole wrestled. There was a poll in the
Speaker 5: middle of the thing. Yeah, And I'm thinking.
Speaker 6: Of my greater alliance.
Speaker 5: I'm like, I don't want one of the women in
Speaker 5: my alliance to have to go against Melissa at some
Speaker 5: point and potentially lose. So if Casey can get the
Speaker 5: job done, and I saw the chance coming in as
Speaker 5: weapons to get rid of the people who are working
Speaker 5: with me and my team, and so it's like, how
Speaker 5: can I maximize this? And to me it was Melissa
Speaker 5: has experience that I don't have that no one here
Speaker 5: has on the women's side except for Olivia.
Speaker 6: Olivia was working with me, So let's get rid of Melissa.
Speaker 6: But I think big T did a great job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, big T is the people's champ of this season.
Speaker 1: I'm she's done an amazing job. And I love seeing
Speaker 1: Casey shout out big T like that at the end.
Speaker 1: And I felt like she was kind of targeted at
Speaker 1: the house too, if that makes sense, Like it's kind
Speaker 1: of being like put some respect on big T's name
Speaker 1: in a way.
Speaker 2: I don't know, that's just how I do agree.
Speaker 5: Like there's a reason why y'all have never seen me
Speaker 5: say I think some people have called her week, They've
Speaker 5: called her all types of things. I've never said those words.
Speaker 5: Like that is not how I feel about her at all.
Speaker 5: So I just want to double down and say that,
Speaker 5: like the reason why her and I ended up on
Speaker 5: the wrong side of a fence was not because I
Speaker 5: think she's weak. I think she is formidable. She went
Speaker 5: to eliminations this season. I haven't been even been in
Speaker 5: an elimination this season, so like she's playing the game
Speaker 5: better than me, so, you know, and.
Speaker 1: Big eliminations and this one with Casey and the fact
Speaker 1: that it got to a one to one, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I actually feel like, I don't want to say
Speaker 1: she gave up on the last one, but there did
Speaker 1: seem to be a little bit of a resolve if
Speaker 1: that makes it, you know, on the last pole wrestle.
Speaker 2: Of the three, Yeah, it felt a little like she kind.
Speaker 5: Of I mean, I will say, like on my Spies
Speaker 5: of the Allies, I felt like, if I kept winning eliminations,
Speaker 5: I would just keep going down. Yes, And I feel
Speaker 5: like that thought probably crossed her mind. And you know,
Speaker 5: I don't blame her for that, because would I fight
Speaker 5: that hard if I've been in three eliminations and I
Speaker 5: just know I'm going to keep getting voted in until oh,
Speaker 5: like it's it is. It is demoralizing, But she still
Speaker 5: put up an amazing fight. That would have been like
Speaker 5: she beat Kas obviously two time champs, but it would
Speaker 5: have been insane for her to beat Casey. And there's
Speaker 5: a side of me who wanted to see that just
Speaker 5: because like as a viewer, like sometimes I step out
Speaker 5: of myself and I'm like, oh, as a viewer imagining
Speaker 5: her beating Casey, it would have been huge. Yeah, but
Speaker 5: she's still walking away. She got a couple of days,
Speaker 5: she got two elimination wins.
Speaker 1: And wiped out by Casey, which I think is impressive
Speaker 1: in and of itself. She had one of those who yeah,
Speaker 1: she should win one of them. It's just not best
Speaker 1: two out of three. So yeah, I think.
Speaker 5: Casey did let big ta gas out like it was
Speaker 5: about strategy a little bit too. And round two Casey's like,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna hold on as much as I can. You're
Speaker 5: gonna get tired. And then round three, Casey's gonna give
Speaker 5: everything that she has lost.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 3: It was great to say, great to see it wasn't great?
Speaker 3: Was that y'all loft ten thousand dollars yet again?
Speaker 2: So yeah, do you guys just not care about the money?
Speaker 1: Because how because was it like, shn you walk me
Speaker 1: through the strategy of the overall group of this.
Speaker 5: Peer I So I'll speak for me specifically. I wanted
Speaker 5: I wanted contenders to lose the champs m to be
Speaker 5: very honest, like, what what's the point of the price
Speaker 5: spot being anything? If I lose the final, you know, right?
Speaker 5: And so get numbers down that are against me, get
Speaker 5: numbers down that I think are strong, and sure if
Speaker 5: the price plot goes down to three hundred thousand dollars or.
Speaker 6: Whatever it can get down to. That's still money I
Speaker 6: don't have right now.
Speaker 1: But here's there's the question, Corey, here's the thought theory.
Speaker 1: Just a question, Okay, So yeah, back it up. You
Speaker 1: said that you've now I don't really I don't know
Speaker 1: if you realize this while you're in the house or
Speaker 1: you you've sort of realized it in hindsight. But you
Speaker 1: said that in your own alliance with like a Corey
Speaker 1: and a J or not a quarany J Michelle and J,
Speaker 1: that you're kind of at the bottom of the totem pole, right,
Speaker 1: even though you're putting them at like the top, particularly
Speaker 1: specifically Michelle. So you get rid of people who aren't
Speaker 1: quote unquote working for you, but they may not necessarily
Speaker 1: be coming to you exactly. But then you become the
Speaker 1: you're just making it so that you're now closer on
Speaker 1: the list, right, you know, at the bottom of that
Speaker 1: totem pole.
Speaker 2: So does is that really advantageous?
Speaker 6: No, wasn't to be the.
Speaker 5: Problem was It's like what was chaos was crazy because
Speaker 5: if I vote.
Speaker 6: Someone down, I want them to go in.
Speaker 2: I want Yeah, that was really that is a twist.
Speaker 5: That is like I just didn't know how to have
Speaker 5: the correct amount of lever to take the shot. And
Speaker 5: then like, okay, so let's say we put down Jay
Speaker 5: who's standing next to him, maybe Rossio, maybe one of
Speaker 5: them goes home. Then one of them comes back no
Speaker 5: matter what, and then every other person aligned with them.
Speaker 6: So like it.
Speaker 5: Honestly, it was damn if you do, damned if you don't. Yeah,
Speaker 5: bab Yeah, And I don't know if the way I
Speaker 5: played was the right move, but at the time it
Speaker 5: made sense for me. Yeah, And at this point in
Speaker 5: the game, like, I'm just hoping that one the nomination
Speaker 5: thing I did right through them under the bus, I'm
Speaker 5: hoping that gives me some type of leverage with my
Speaker 5: aligned Do you feel.
Speaker 1: Like it really is going to or that it's gonna
Speaker 1: make them because when I watch that, I understood what
Speaker 1: you were trying to do.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I also like him look snaky, and I'm just like, oh,
Speaker 5: not even that.
Speaker 4: The episode starts with him having a whole meeting and
Speaker 4: you are not fair. You are not in that meeting,
Speaker 4: so you kind of like they're like, yeah, now we
Speaker 4: really because doesn't it make you like if someone think
Speaker 4: about it, if you were just watching it back and again.
Speaker 2: I know it was real time and it's different, but.
Speaker 1: I'm curious on your like tape because I get what
Speaker 1: you were trying to do and pivot in that moment
Speaker 1: and it was quick thing. But you showing though that
Speaker 1: you can be so like unlike sneaky right to people
Speaker 1: who otherwise aren't seen as villains in the house maybe
Speaker 1: by Raven, Melissa seems villain, which is fair, but other
Speaker 1: than that, you know what I mean, Like Big T
Speaker 1: isn't seen as like evil, so like.
Speaker 2: Does that.
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 2: So like does that make even though you're doing it
Speaker 2: for your alliance?
Speaker 1: I just feel like they would look at you and go, okay,
Speaker 1: he looks a little you know, like I do feel
Speaker 1: like I trust him or something right.
Speaker 6: Because if I would do it to them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of.
Speaker 6: I didn't think that far ahead. I think I think Michelle.
Speaker 5: Michelle told me that my name was the one up
Speaker 5: I think thirty seconds before walking in the nominations, and
Speaker 5: I was like, what can I do?
Speaker 6: What type like, how can.
Speaker 5: I if there's any chance that this somehow does not
Speaker 5: affect me for the rest of this game?
Speaker 6: What can I potentially do?
Speaker 5: And for me, it was I'm gonna put the line
Speaker 5: in the sands so far that my alliance knows I
Speaker 5: have nowhere else to turn now, and they basically own me.
Speaker 6: And that was me, Like I already felt that way.
Speaker 5: But now it was like, I'm just gonna make that
Speaker 5: feel like that way even more so they feel like
Speaker 5: I'm stuck. They have Corey get rid of other people
Speaker 5: because Corey at least now is no.
Speaker 6: Real yeah right, which wasn't necessarily the case. I was
Speaker 6: still being sneaky, just not as obvious, you know, and
Speaker 6: you know what sucks. I feel like I showed too
Speaker 6: much of my cards this season because now if there's
Speaker 6: but you know what, will say it's a learning process.
Speaker 5: But I think too many people play for five seasons
Speaker 5: in advance, and it makes a show boring.
Speaker 6: And I'm not.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like everybody is afraid to make moves because they
Speaker 5: know season forty's and forty one.
Speaker 6: He's in forty two.
Speaker 5: But it's like, so they don't take power moves, they
Speaker 5: don't take that's fair.
Speaker 6: I showed all my cards. Yeah, I don't know what if.
Speaker 5: I never do the challenge again, whether it's I mean,
Speaker 5: I have a full career. I'm a video game producer,
Speaker 5: like I can't necessarily always be gone for all I know,
Speaker 5: this might be my last time doing the show, and
Speaker 5: I gave it all my god, and if it shows,
Speaker 5: you know, if I can show I'm snaky, yeah, it's.
Speaker 6: You know, I don't know.
Speaker 5: Like I I felt like I would have more time
Speaker 5: on Spy Size and Allies to make moves and do things.
Speaker 5: I lasted four episodes, yeah, and then I was supposed
Speaker 5: to be on Writered Eyes and then I wasn't on
Speaker 5: Rider Eyes. I fell through my fingers and it was like,
Speaker 5: holy crap, if this is the last chance I get,
Speaker 5: I just gotta do, you know, And and I will say,
Speaker 5: you know, you know, we get our weekly phone calls
Speaker 5: with people.
Speaker 6: I called my mom every week and she said, she said, Corey,
Speaker 6: if you have to be a bad person, do it.
Speaker 6: It's a lot of money. And so I had her
Speaker 6: in my.
Speaker 2: Ear, you know, not mama.
Speaker 6: Let if I have the support of my mom.
Speaker 5: Like, but but I do think I still all the
Speaker 5: things that I still think I went a little too
Speaker 5: farm a big team Melissa. But I'm still not like
Speaker 5: because I hurt them as people and in terms of
Speaker 5: how I make the game moves and like, you know,
Speaker 5: I'm not the only one who's in multiple alliances or whatever.
Speaker 5: Like that's something that I think if you have to do,
Speaker 5: you have to do, and it can be smart if
Speaker 5: done the right way.
Speaker 1: I didn't do it the right way, So let me
Speaker 1: and just never get up your soul for anyone like that, Carol.
Speaker 1: Remember your group won't make you act out of character.
Speaker 1: And that's not the multiple alliance thing, because I agree.
Speaker 1: I think almost everyone to a degree has to like
Speaker 1: have crossover alliances at the point, but just that they
Speaker 1: won't ever if you feel like you have to prove
Speaker 1: to them that much, then they may not even be worth.
Speaker 3: That might not be you too.
Speaker 4: But let me tell you something that I learned, because
Speaker 4: I feel like you are going to go back, so
Speaker 4: let me just you know, I've been doing this competition
Speaker 4: thing since twenty fifteen, almost every year i've been on
Speaker 4: the show. Okay, yeah, one thing that I learn it's okay,
Speaker 4: I'm my mental stability is off the chart.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 4: What I do want to say to you is do
Speaker 4: your dirt, but tell us the truth and the confessionals
Speaker 4: so we.
Speaker 3: As the audience can follow.
Speaker 6: You.
Speaker 3: Don't tell the people tell us and you know, and
Speaker 3: your your number one? You know, well, but your number one.
Speaker 2: You The thought about that.
Speaker 1: And the confessionals though, is be careful because sometimes those
Speaker 1: interviewers will then ask questions to other people in that
Speaker 1: you said, so they'll be like, well, how would you
Speaker 1: feel if Corey said.
Speaker 5: Let's be be I remember one day actually, the day
Speaker 5: of this nomination think where I did the big Teamlissa thing.
Speaker 5: I was sitting by the pool by myself, like eating
Speaker 5: outside or something, and then a cameraman just comes up
Speaker 5: and films me sitting there, and I'm like, who's talking exactly?
Speaker 5: Why are you looking sad and alone?
Speaker 6: I know something's going on.
Speaker 1: So like I already kind of like, what can we
Speaker 1: expect Corey from without giving away any spoilers, what are
Speaker 1: some things or some people we should keep our eye on,
Speaker 1: you know? In the in the next episode, we see
Speaker 1: like a soft seems like he pops off at Kylin.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's happening there. Can't give us some
Speaker 2: tea what should we expect, you know?
Speaker 6: So one, I'm not the only confrontational guy in the house.
Speaker 5: As you see a soft well one him and I
Speaker 5: went at it and we see him and Kylon going
Speaker 5: at it a bit. I think a sof is like
Speaker 5: me or if he's not happy about something, he's gonna
Speaker 5: talk about it and probably talk about it loudly.
Speaker 6: I think that's gonna happen. I think we'll start to
Speaker 6: seem more like Nuri.
Speaker 5: This is very smart and although you know, Michelle's kind
Speaker 5: of you know, the head of the snake, but Maurice
Speaker 5: is up there, but you won't like, but she's up there,
Speaker 5: you know she's.
Speaker 6: Yeah, she's right there.
Speaker 5: And I think getting just been the season with her
Speaker 5: and learn more about her and just she's very smart.
Speaker 5: She's also a fan of the Challenge like me, and
Speaker 5: so she's seen a bunch of seasons. She knows what
Speaker 5: she's doing. Yeah, I think her breakout moments are coming ahead,
Speaker 5: and I think it's gonna be a lot more mistakes
Speaker 5: being made by people like you know.
Speaker 6: I think the beauty of this season.
Speaker 5: Is that we're all new and that we're making the
Speaker 5: mistakes that maybe some of the season's vets don't make
Speaker 5: anymore because they've been burned, or they burned people, or
Speaker 5: they've been caught doing stuff. I know that now that
Speaker 5: I've kind of made my mistakes on this season, but.
Speaker 6: There's other people.
Speaker 5: I think we're gonna end up in that hot seat too,
Speaker 5: And it's a lot of fun because you know, we
Speaker 5: don't see Tory and Jordan and Bananas making the same
Speaker 5: type of social mistakes that we're all making the season.
Speaker 5: To me, as a if you were in a fan,
Speaker 5: it's refreshing to see that because it's been a very
Speaker 5: long time and it's chaotic. You don't necessarily know what
Speaker 5: always is, what it's going to happen, Like the Americans
Speaker 5: quote unquote have power now, but like, what happens if
Speaker 5: we're split up in half teams again and then there's
Speaker 5: a half team that's all Americans?
Speaker 6: You know, like who do they pick out?
Speaker 5: Hopefully not me? Right, but you know, it's like what's
Speaker 5: going to happen? And yeah, get excited for the unexpected
Speaker 5: and also more messy mistakes and the more things that
Speaker 5: you can probably say, why the hell do these people
Speaker 5: do that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, do you anticipate that you'll get the sit Down
Speaker 1: of the Week award?
Speaker 2: Any like?
Speaker 1: Should we just be prepared that there's gonna be and
Speaker 1: you don't tell what it is, but that We're going
Speaker 1: to be assigning you that award in future episodes this season.
Speaker 5: Ah, you know what, probably, you know, I'm just gonna
Speaker 5: say probably, And you know, I'll own it, you know, love.
Speaker 2: That you own it, Love that you own it.
Speaker 5: Hopefully season forty, season forty one, whatever other season I
Speaker 5: come back in, hopefully.
Speaker 6: There's less of those awards for me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, but I but what's done is done
Speaker 5: with this.
Speaker 1: But owning it and growth and doing better is literally
Speaker 1: the best that you can do. I hope that you
Speaker 1: and Big T and Melissa can men in some way.
Speaker 5: Really so too, because they genuinely are good people, and
Speaker 5: they were there for me more than I wish my
Speaker 5: alliance was there for me at times, like as a
Speaker 5: as a person, there for me, you know, And that's
Speaker 5: the part that I and they shown, the loss that
Speaker 5: I hurt people that were loyal and also cared about me,
Speaker 5: cared about me deeper than people that I was aligned with.
Speaker 2: But I do own up to it. Yeah, And you're
Speaker 2: you're working to be better.
Speaker 1: For those who want to continue to follow your growth
Speaker 1: journey on social media, where can they follow you?
Speaker 6: I Am Corey lay on Everything c O R E.
Speaker 5: Y l a y Instagram, Twitter, I have a TikTok,
Speaker 5: but I don't post on it.
Speaker 6: You can still follow me there because I like numbers.
Speaker 6: I like followers.
Speaker 5: But really I post on Instagram a I posted on
Speaker 5: Twitter a lot. I like to shoot the ship with
Speaker 5: challenge fans, and I think it's a lot of fun
Speaker 5: being on Twitter.
Speaker 6: So that's like the one. If you want to just
Speaker 6: tell me things, tell me I'm doing things wrong too.
Speaker 5: I need to learn, like if I come back and
Speaker 5: do things better, tell me how I did it wrong,
Speaker 5: but do it in a somewhat nice way.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I yeah, now tell me.
Speaker 5: And I said, like, Corey, you could have done this better,
Speaker 5: but we don't absolutely hate you.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know, yeah, well, Corey, there are things that
Speaker 1: you could have done better, but day and I definitely
Speaker 1: don't hate you at all.
Speaker 2: And I'm so glad we got to see.
Speaker 1: This is the Corey I knew from the drinks and
Speaker 1: the Corey that I've spent time with, and it's wonderful
Speaker 1: to see that it is indeed still there. Really do
Speaker 1: appreciate you a not being scourreed to come on the podcast,
Speaker 1: because sometimes people are.
Speaker 2: And I know that you knew that.
Speaker 5: Was intimidated because I've never met Davon, and I was like,
Speaker 5: I know she's not happy with me, but I'm glad
Speaker 5: to have the open, honest conversation and you know, I'll
Speaker 5: answer some questions and you know, so I appreciate you, Davon.
Speaker 6: Thank you for calling me on my ship, holding.
Speaker 5: Me accountable and not being nasty about it, because there
Speaker 5: are something online who are very nasty about it, but
Speaker 5: you've always been like, I don't understand this, so I
Speaker 5: don't like this, but it's never coming for a place
Speaker 5: where you're like actually being.
Speaker 6: Mean or being hurtful.
Speaker 5: And I one thousand percent appreciate that so much because
Speaker 5: there are it's just not always that way. And thank
Speaker 5: you for trying to defend me as much as you could,
Speaker 5: even my actions weren't always defendable.
Speaker 6: I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: I wasn't mad at you, Corey. I was just disappointed,
Speaker 2: Like it's.
Speaker 3: A reason, it's gotta be a reason.
Speaker 1: I knew I had actually predicted this when Day and
Speaker 1: I were talking last week, that it was that it
Speaker 1: seemed like an insecurity and an in thought authenticity thing,
Speaker 1: and that you were trying to just fit into a
Speaker 1: group you're trying to force you know, you are a star,
Speaker 1: and you were trying to force yourself into a square
Speaker 1: and like that just you didn't need to do. And
Speaker 1: so I do feel for Big Ta and Melissa and
Speaker 1: and and positive that you guys can that it may
Speaker 1: take them time to heal, but that if you show
Speaker 1: them differently and show them this other side of you,
Speaker 1: they'll open up to that.
Speaker 2: And I and yeah, hopefully you guys.
Speaker 1: Can come back, all three of you stronger and better
Speaker 1: than ever in future seasons too, and just run like
Speaker 1: you guys run stuff that would be wonderful to see.
Speaker 2: But thank you again for coming. Sending you big hugs.
Speaker 1: You still may get a signed the sit down of
Speaker 1: the week, but just no, but no, sending.
Speaker 2: You big hugs.
Speaker 1: And it is always entertaining and watching you and you're right,
Speaker 1: sometimes people got to make controversial moves to make it interesting,
Speaker 1: and you definitely have made it interesting this season.
Speaker 2: So it's always wonderful having you be a part of
Speaker 2: the challenge.
Speaker 6: Corey, awesome, thank you so much. It was a pleasure.
Speaker 2: You're well come.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, wow, all right, you know what we have
Speaker 1: been waiting for that interview. I feel like all season. Granted,
Speaker 1: the whole season's not here yet, but but I'm glad
Speaker 1: that we've made it happen. And I really appreciate the honesty.
Speaker 1: I so appreciate the honesty. And look, some people aren't
Speaker 1: gona agree with it, but but he gave us a
Speaker 1: lot to think about and he owned up to a lot.
Speaker 1: So now all we can do is give him space
Speaker 1: to see if he's going to do better.
Speaker 2: What do you think, Day?
Speaker 3: I agree? I agree.
Speaker 4: You know, when somebody comes forth and takes accountability, let
Speaker 4: them show you that they, you know, stand on what
Speaker 4: the which stand on their business. Let's let them show
Speaker 4: you that. So give them the opportunity to do that.
Speaker 4: Give people grace to show that they can change.
Speaker 6: M h.
Speaker 2: We're also gonna get people grace to do. What else?
Speaker 3: Day to follow me on the socials.
Speaker 2: Starting with her YouTube channel. I'm kidding, let's not start there.
Speaker 3: Oh let's not start there. Oh give me grace, let's
Speaker 3: not start there.
Speaker 4: I want you to follow me at on Twitter at
Speaker 4: Dave Davon Underscore. You can also follow me on Instagram
Speaker 4: at Davon Diane Underscore. Where can the people find you?
Speaker 4: Because you know you all over. You got the website,
Speaker 4: you got the everything. Where can they find me.
Speaker 2: In a lot of places?
Speaker 1: That's true, Uh, for someone who doesn't go outside much,
Speaker 1: I'm outside a lot. Online. You can go to devinsimone
Speaker 1: dot com. That's Devin with the y simone with an
Speaker 1: eyes scroll at the bottom. You'll see my socials there.
Speaker 1: If you're single, hit the matchmaking button that should be
Speaker 1: at the top. I'm most active on Instagram. That's Devin
Speaker 1: with the weisman with and I and I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: doing a lot of fun interactive stuff on Amazon where
Speaker 1: like I said, I always give challenge fans who are
Speaker 1: watching a shout out, So please come tell me that
Speaker 1: you're a challenger in the chat. You can just google
Speaker 1: Devin Simone Amazon like Amazon dot com and you'll click
Speaker 1: on Devin'simone's give closet that's my page. Follow that you'll
Speaker 1: get a notification when I go live and we'll have
Speaker 1: a lot of fun there.
Speaker 3: I'm not that's right.
Speaker 4: I want to We want to thank you guys so
Speaker 4: much for joining us for yet another episode of MTV's
Speaker 4: Official Challenge Podcast. And remember, if you liked this episode,
Speaker 4: rate and review us on Spotify or Apple Podcasts and
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Speaker 1: Amen, And then catch new episodes of the Challenge Battle
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Speaker 4: Yes, and we will see you back here right after
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