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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: So, Chris, what are some of the best devilish horror movies?

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Speaker 2: How about the worst? And talk about the curse of

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Speaker 2: the Devil? When you make a movie about the devil?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I guess you know it's funny because

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Speaker 3: a lot of this, of course is this hyper bowl

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Speaker 3: because I mean, I'm an agostic myself, so of course

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Speaker 3: I don't believe unless I see and I'm not alone.

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Speaker 3: But through share coincidence, a lot of especially American films

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Speaker 3: dealing with Satan, dealing with the Devil, seemed to have

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Speaker 3: a lot of bad juju going around during the making

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Speaker 3: of these pictures. Are the ensuing release of them. And

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Speaker 3: let's talk before we go to the ess. Let's talk

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Speaker 3: a little bit about again about Rosemary's Maybe, which would

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Speaker 3: keep riffing on maybe with good reason because it's a masterpiece.

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Speaker 3: But again produced by William Cassell, who was a staunch Catholic,

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Speaker 3: so he was apprehensive right from the get go about

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Speaker 3: adapting n Eleven's book the screen, but he went along

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Speaker 3: with it because Roman Polanski was this hot Polish director

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Speaker 3: in Hollywood. This was his big breakthrough movie and everyone

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Speaker 3: wanted a piece of him. So Castle helped this thing

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Speaker 3: get into production, and the movie gets made and it

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Speaker 3: is a great movie that it is, and almost immediately

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Speaker 3: Castle has a massive heart attack and almost dies and

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Speaker 3: it's hospitalized. I mean, of course, believe it's because he

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Speaker 3: danced with the devil making this picture. Polansky laughed it off, said, Oh,

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Speaker 3: that's just that's just Bill Castle being Bill Castle, superstitious

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Speaker 3: to his core. Ha ha ha. Well we know what

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Speaker 3: happened to Roman Polanski. Not even two years later, after

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Speaker 3: the release of Rosemary's Baby, his beautiful wife Sharon Tate

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Speaker 3: was home alone in their Hollywood Hills home, and of

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Speaker 3: course Charles Manson's followers were dispatched by Manson to go

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Speaker 3: to the house of what he thought was somebody that

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Speaker 3: he knew that had flighted him, having no idea that

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Speaker 3: Polansky and Suarantate were living in this home, they broke

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Speaker 3: into the home and one of the guys who wouldn't

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Speaker 3: be assassin in texts, he announced loudly, I'm the devil

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Speaker 3: and I'm here to do the devil's work, and then

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Speaker 3: to butchering the entire group of friends, including Tate, and

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Speaker 3: we know that that was the end of the Innocence

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Speaker 3: In the late nineteen sixties, almost immediately Lansky was accused

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Speaker 3: of being in league with the devil because of Rosemary's Baby,

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Speaker 3: and accused of actually having something to do with his

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Speaker 3: wife's murder. Of course, that was completely debugged very soon after.

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Speaker 3: But Rosemary's Baby always has that heavy kind of weight

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Speaker 2: I wonder, that is, if that didn't happen, if there

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Speaker 2: wasn't the Manson connection, would we still look at it

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Speaker 2: as a masterpiece or with that?

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Speaker 3: I think I think so, because you know, I have children,

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Speaker 3: I've showed them. I showed my oldest son Rosemary's Baby.

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Speaker 3: He just came out of and blown away. Having no

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Speaker 3: idea about any the Landscare or any of the links.

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Speaker 3: I think it stands alone perfectly, but having that little

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Speaker 3: extra added mythough surround it just gives it a little

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Speaker 3: more gravity. Thinking with the Exorcist, which again, as we know,

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Speaker 3: the seventies, not just how it was made, how it

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Speaker 3: Wills Mare's Baby's verute. That's just just not so much.

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Speaker 3: We see everything and the Exorcist heads rotating chrismal language,

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Speaker 3: the language exactly. That was a big, big deal. Then, yeah, language,

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Speaker 3: that's what got it. It's our rating more than anything.

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Speaker 3: But it was plagued by by by misfortune. Jack McGowan,

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Speaker 3: one of the actress in the films, died in the

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Speaker 3: middle of production. Melan Burston's back was broken when she

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Speaker 3: was thrown against the wall during one of the satanic scenes.

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Speaker 3: Little Linda Blair's grandfather died in the middle of it.

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Speaker 3: The entire set burned down while they were making it,

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Speaker 3: while they rebuilt it, and the carpenter on set it

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Speaker 3: the list is long.

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Speaker 4: A lot of.

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Speaker 3: Misfortune played the Exorcist. Now there's this. I think if

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Speaker 3: he really did a tally on any Hollywood movie being

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Speaker 3: as well. But all these things when maybe you know,

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Speaker 3: maybe there's something to it. I mean, you know again

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Speaker 3: an agnostic, so maybe there is something.

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Speaker 2: I mean, when you look around, point Chris at some point,

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Speaker 2: that's not all coincidental. I want to take a couple

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Speaker 2: of phone calls because people can't wait to talk to

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Speaker 2: you too, so I know you don't mind talking to

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Speaker 2: your people on the wildcart Line. Let's talk to Randy

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Speaker 2: in Ridgeway, Virginia, who says that the scariest movie of

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Speaker 2: all time Barnunn is The Exorcist. Welcome to Coast to Coast, Randy,

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Speaker 2: and you're talking to Chris Alexander.

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Speaker 4: Yes, good morning, gentlemen. I was driving a truck back

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Speaker 4: out of New York, out of Queens, New York. I

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Speaker 4: was eighteen years old, and I was in New Hampshire

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Speaker 4: and I had to deliver with the load. That was

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Speaker 4: dark at night, you know, around this time of the year,

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Speaker 4: and I've seen The Exorcist was playing in the movie theater,

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Speaker 4: I was game enough, you miles, We'll say to get

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Speaker 3: You know, you bring up, you bring up, you bring

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Speaker 3: up a good point. I just have to just interject there,

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Speaker 3: because you know, there's a whole way for people that

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Speaker 2: One of them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but a lot of people, younger people especially, that

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Speaker 3: it's not that scary. But to Randy's point, if you

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Speaker 3: have never seen The Exorcist in the theater, you haven't

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Speaker 3: really seen the Exorcist. I just actually went and saw

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Speaker 3: it theatrically about two years ago. I was a thirty

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Speaker 3: those images and that sound design, it's like you're in

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Speaker 3: a nightmare that you cannot escape from, and it does.

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Speaker 3: It sinks into your bones and it sticks with you

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Speaker 3: and me too. I left the building, Eric walk out

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Speaker 2: I wondered about that. I was thinking about most of

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Speaker 2: these scary classics that I've seen. I saw on my parents'

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Speaker 2: but that theater experience of something like that would completely

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Speaker 2: froy my brain. Now. I know we talked about the

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Speaker 2: Twilight Zone. I want to kind of bring it forward

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Speaker 2: a little bit to modern times. Twilight Zone. Now we

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Speaker 2: in Black Mirror, which I think is a nice homage

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Speaker 2: to the Twilight Zone in a certain way. I'm wondering

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Speaker 3: I'm so glad to hear you say that, man, I honestly,

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Speaker 3: I really really am, because I I'm over the mind.

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Speaker 3: Because in the Twilight Zone, Purist and the Twilights won't

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Speaker 3: was also Twilights on the movie, which was a bit

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Speaker 3: early two thousands with Forrest Whitaker, Complete Bomb, and then

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Speaker 2: I watched it. I didn't love it.

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Speaker 3: No, I couldn't get through it. But maybe it was

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Speaker 3: called something else, but I don't know about that. But

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Speaker 3: to me, the air apparent of Rod Serling, the air

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Speaker 3: apparent of the Twilight Zone is absolutely Black Mirror. It's

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Speaker 3: the only show of that kind that I feel is

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Speaker 3: evolving everything that Sirling was saying in those first you know,

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Speaker 2: It's got sort of these themes that kind of run

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Speaker 2: through some of the shows. But if I wouldn't tell

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Speaker 2: anybody to watch something that is terrifying, it's the one

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Speaker 2: with John Hamm I think called Christmas Eve, and it's terrified.

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Speaker 2: It's terrifying for a completely different reason than you think.

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Speaker 2: It's not jump scare. It's just if you imagine yourself

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Speaker 2: the literal hell that they put them in, it is

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Speaker 2: it'll mess with your head for months. I really recommend that.

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Speaker 2: And the scene it completely changes gears right in the

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Speaker 3: And it's I mean, that's that's testament to the entire

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Speaker 3: that's you know, it's not it's not just showing you

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Speaker 2: There's another series that I wanted to bring up to

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Speaker 2: you know, with the TV on, And that's The Haunting

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Speaker 2: of Hillhouse. Did you watch that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Mike flanagain to me, you know, he's one of

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Speaker 3: the great modern masters of horror. Haunting of Hillhouse masterpiece

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Speaker 3: I watched that. Here I am a man of now fifty.

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Speaker 3: We're halfway into the show and it breaks me out

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Speaker 3: And when you're a horror fan like me and you're

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Speaker 3: seeing weird stuff on the TV late at night and

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Speaker 3: a money mate called Midnight Mass which is sort of

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Speaker 3: his riff on Stephen King. Salem's Lot hugely recommended as

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Speaker 3: well and very very scary.

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Speaker 2: Who did you watch the new Salem's Lot that's on us?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And actually I liked it more than most people.

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Speaker 3: It's my favorite Stephen King book first of all, and

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Speaker 3: the first version of it, which was a Mad for

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Speaker 3: GV mini series directed by the Texas Chancellor Maskers Kobe Hooper,

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Speaker 3: it was spectacular, but it was close enough to the

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Speaker 3: book and had a lot of really interesting King King

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Speaker 3: I thought i'd find it. Let's put it that way.

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Speaker 2: I think it started off good for me, but then

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Speaker 2: it's almost like they raced through the plot to get

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Speaker 3: Well, here's what happened. Because you like the mini series,

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Speaker 3: and a half hour picture. This director shot a three

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Speaker 3: were going to put a two hour picture, and so

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Speaker 3: it is rushed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like it. It's because it's not rushed

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Speaker 2: at the very beginning, because you're seeing all the nice

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Speaker 2: a sudden, boom plot goes into like it's almost like

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Speaker 2: I hit the one one and a half time speed

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Speaker 3: Suddenly it's like Vampire's Vampire Dead and that different end. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it goes really racist to the finish line, for sure.

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Speaker 2: Do you know that the one they haven't gotten right yet?

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Speaker 2: And it is my favorite Stephen King book is The

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Speaker 2: Stand And I've seen them do that twice now on

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Speaker 2: TV and it's fallen. It's almost seemed kitchy to me.

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Speaker 2: With such a incredible, incredibly deep story.

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Speaker 3: What a what a daunting book to adapt? I mean,

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Speaker 3: you need the thing is you need that space. That's

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Speaker 3: why I keep sending up on television, is that you

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Speaker 3: many moving parts to the Stand. I don't know how

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Speaker 3: it could ever be successfully, truly successfully adapted. But I

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Speaker 3: though he has had its kitch especially with the dated

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Speaker 3: special effects directed by Nick Garris. I think there's some

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that's true. I guess I can agree

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Speaker 2: with you on that one. What about Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: what Steph King. I'm just gonna ask you about I

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Speaker 2: have to come back to that where I was. I

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Speaker 2: was going somewhere with the stand darn it, that was

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Speaker 2: so good.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's so many hey, there's so many Stephen King books,

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Speaker 3: oh my gosh, and so many adaptations good and not

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Speaker 3: so good, that it's hard to you know, your brain

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Speaker 2: Well, you were talking about the depth of the stand

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Speaker 2: in how it's like such it's got so many moving

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Speaker 2: parts that it would be hard to get that right.

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Speaker 2: But yet I feel like the made for TV version

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