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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Drive.

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Speaker 2: I am Dale Ali. He is Matt Williamson, and well Matt.

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Speaker 2: We're kicking off our coverage here on ESPN nine seventy

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Speaker 2: and Steelers Nation Radio with some heavy hearts today here

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Speaker 2: from the Steelers Ota Sessions at the upmc rooney Sports Complex.

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Speaker 2: Our friend, our colleague, Stan Saverign passing away last night just.

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Speaker 1: Just a shock to the system.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we knew he was struggling with

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Speaker 2: his health a little bit, but the finality of everything

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Speaker 2: very very somber.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it really is. I mean, he had a real

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Speaker 3: impact on my life. I mean from a young age.

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Speaker 3: I mean, and he's to me, he's firmly on the

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Speaker 3: Mount Rushmore of Pittsburgh media people, you know, I mean

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Speaker 3: like he's a true legend. And people throw those words

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Speaker 3: around a lot after someone passes away, and you know,

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Speaker 3: don't remember the bad things about people and embellish what

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Speaker 3: they did and true in the real world, and I

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Speaker 3: don't think that's the case with Stan, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, no, you don't have to embellish anything with Stan.

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Speaker 2: It is very you know, to me, very much like

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Speaker 2: Myron Cope, who I had the honor to know as well,

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Speaker 2: and those two guys were so genuine.

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Speaker 1: You know, they were welcoming, you know, to young people.

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Speaker 2: Have always been welcoming to young people in the business

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Speaker 2: and and understood, uh, you know, the way to act

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Speaker 2: with class and act with you know, just just hand.

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Speaker 2: The way they handled themselves on a day by day

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Speaker 2: basis was something that you looked at and said, Okay,

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Speaker 2: if those guys can do it, I think I could

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Speaker 2: act that way. No, I haven't always done that, but

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Speaker 2: you know I could try.

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Speaker 4: I mean along those lines.

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Speaker 3: I mean I was a teenager fourteen, fifteen whatever, shooting

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Speaker 3: nerf hoops in my kitchen with my mom making dinner

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Speaker 3: every night and the transistor radio in the corner of

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Speaker 3: the kitchen. You driver crazy, but my dad and I

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Speaker 3: loved it. And it would be Myron Stalk Show and

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Speaker 3: then stand followed by, you know, following Myron. I think

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Speaker 3: he was on from like seven to nine or whatever

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Speaker 3: it was that they were on dinner time, and then

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Speaker 3: further on. And you know, I'd listened intently all sports,

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Speaker 3: all the time, and probably a year after listening or

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Speaker 3: you know, I got the guts up to.

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Speaker 4: Call in, scared to death to be on the air.

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Speaker 3: You know, if you can imagine that, And didn't realize

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Speaker 3: that many years later at won twenty every Friday, I

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Speaker 3: was on stand show almost twenty years in a row,

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Speaker 3: and it was one of my highlights of the week.

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Speaker 4: And to be very honest, it was my favorite.

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Speaker 3: Guest hit that I would do every week. I actually

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Speaker 3: looked forward to it. It wasn't like the phone's ringing,

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Speaker 3: I got to talk, you know, good.

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Speaker 4: I got to work.

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Speaker 1: He just always made this was fun.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a really good segment. People loved it

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Speaker 3: and got a lot of feedback from him and you

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Speaker 3: know everybody. We really had a good time every Friday

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Speaker 3: at one twenty. It was a staple of my life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just you know, a big deal. Yeah, he was

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Speaker 2: a big deal without being a big deal.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if that makes sense, right right. I mean funny

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Speaker 3: little end of dough too, and everybody's a million of them.

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Speaker 3: But took my son to a Penn's game when he

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Speaker 3: was probably eleven, you know, very impressionable and he's got

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Speaker 3: his you know Crosby Jersey on and walk right past

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Speaker 3: you know Stan set up where they're on the air.

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Speaker 4: Hey Stan, how you doing have a good one?

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Speaker 1: Hey?

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Speaker 3: Get over here, bring your son, you know, taking pictures,

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Speaker 3: putting them up on the podium, you know, like he's

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Speaker 3: behind the camera, in front of the camera and all

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Speaker 3: that stuff. He didn't need to do that, you know,

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Speaker 3: and just went all out. And you know, Michael will

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Speaker 3: always remember it, my son.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just so a sad moment for for Steelers fans,

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Speaker 2: for Steeler Nation, you know, so many people to your point.

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Speaker 2: I mean Stan came to Pittsburgh when he when when

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Speaker 2: I was eight, yeah said, you know, of course I

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Speaker 2: I was, you know, still in West Pennsylvania, so you

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Speaker 2: knew who Stan was. Uh, and just an icon in

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Speaker 1: Diligent worker.

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Speaker 4: You know, he still the end. I mean, like he

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Speaker 2: I think we did a show from the from the

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Speaker 2: and Stan was did the show before us. And I

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Speaker 2: look at the I had already been through the Hall

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Speaker 2: of the Museum once, but I wanted to go through again.

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Speaker 1: And I did that.

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Speaker 2: And I get back and stands like, you want to

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Speaker 2: on with you. Stand and because you just did an

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Speaker 2: hour after a Steelers talk and and just made it

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Speaker 2: uh again, his his recall and everybody and things that

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Speaker 2: they did and all sports, yeah, not just the Steelers,

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Speaker 2: but all sports are.

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Speaker 4: Right, yeah, one sport. I can't imagine doing them all,

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Speaker 2: And he just you know, he could just rattle them off,

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Speaker 2: until the end and the job meant so much to him.

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Speaker 2: Being able to go on the air and talk to

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I had a huge influence on both of us, of course,

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Speaker 3: and really looked up to him, and like, man, I

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Speaker 3: can if I could have leave half of that impression, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, it would be amazing, you know.

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Speaker 3: And I think about some of those guys that have

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Speaker 3: daily talk shows. I mean there's times a year.

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Speaker 1: That is yourself doing that solo.

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Speaker 2: I filled in, man, I believe I filled in one

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Speaker 2: time for Stan and did a single show by my

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Speaker 2: you know, by myself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is not an easy thing to do.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if it's a couple of weeks from now

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Speaker 3: pens are done and NBA's done, and people don't care.

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Speaker 1: Coming up with topics and you know, what do you

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Speaker 4: And he did it like its second nature. Amazing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just you know, rattled that stuff off from the

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Speaker 2: Just a great, great sports mind. And he could talk

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Speaker 2: beyond the big sports like he was a huge tennis

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Speaker 1: He could talk it.

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Speaker 4: It's just uh, inform you and keep you entertained. And yeah, right,

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Speaker 4: and did it.

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Speaker 2: You know, even his interviews like there were I did

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Speaker 2: an interview earlier today with with Steelers president Art Rotney.

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Speaker 2: The second we'll play that back here in a couple

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Speaker 2: of minutes, but Art was was dead on.

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Speaker 1: When he said.

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Speaker 2: Look, you know, there may have been times when Stan

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Speaker 2: said things on a show, but it was always fair.

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Speaker 2: It was always you know, if he said something, there

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Speaker 2: something obscure or something crazy, right, there was an actual okay,

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Speaker 2: you could listen to him explain and go, oh, okay,

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Speaker 2: I can see that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean not agree, but I yeah, I totally.

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Speaker 3: Get your point of view and it makes a lot

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Speaker 3: our listeners know this isn't our style, but I mean

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Speaker 3: I'm old schooling away, your old schooling away. I mean,

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Speaker 3: we don't do this for clicks or shock jock or

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Speaker 3: stuff or anything like that. And nobody epitomized that more

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just making it a nice easy listen you know,

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Speaker 2: got good guess well Florida, yeah you know, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: Let's hear that. The interview with with art runy. Oh, okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, we can't. We can't go that.

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Speaker 2: We'll do that coming out of the next break here.

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Speaker 2: We'll play that back at the top of the next

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Speaker 2: segment here. But yeah, we are live from the Steelers

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Speaker 2: Ota sessions here at the upmc rooney Sports Complex. The

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Speaker 2: their first of their three mini camp practices, and then

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Speaker 3: Mat Yeah, and real quick stand story while we're on

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Speaker 3: the topic is, you know, we bought our house in

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Speaker 3: I mean, I can help you out in any way possible,

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Speaker 3: what do you need or stopped down for you know,

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Speaker 3: and he was very humble about it. It never took

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Speaker 2: That's why he wanted to keep working. I mean, I

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Speaker 4: I thought.

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Speaker 3: So That's what my point really was. He didn't he

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Speaker 3: his body didn't let him anymore.

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Speaker 4: And eventually it didn't unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I would text with him, you know,

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Speaker 2: because he had been dealing with those health issues and

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Speaker 2: he was always upbeat about it too.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's just uh, I mean, it's very sad, and I've

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Speaker 3: had a hard time with it, to be honest with you,

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Speaker 3: because I consider him a friend more than a colleague.

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Speaker 4: But pretty good seventy six years too.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Think of the things that he saw.

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Speaker 4: And the footprint he leaves behind its massive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the things he saw, the people he interviewed and met,

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Speaker 4: Ears he touched, you know what I mean. It's incredible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, people feel like, you know, you lost even if

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I'm Dale Lolli.

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Speaker 2: Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN nine seventy. As I mentioned

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, no, Stan, Stan was he knew, he knew

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, you know, somebody, I don't know who it

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Speaker 5: You know, that kind of a guy and just had

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Speaker 1: Yeah, always a straight shooter.

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Speaker 2: And I think you know that's one of the things

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Speaker 2: Well, Art, we appreciate your time here and remembering a

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, Stan, Stan's going to be missed, and

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Speaker 6: But I mean, you know, and Stan just he willingly

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's where I was gonna go with it.

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Speaker 7: to nowadays, you don't even have to go find a phone.

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Speaker 6: You just pull it out of your pocket and dial it.

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Speaker 1: Up whatever's on your mind.

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Speaker 3: Ever in particular, right, fire everybody.

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Speaker 6: Right, And you know, Stan, I don't know. I mean

445
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Speaker 6: I didn't listen to it all all the time because

446
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,359
Speaker 6: I couldn't take it. You know, I'd uh switch it

447
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 6: off and then come back hoping that you know, there

448
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,159
Speaker 6: was a different caller on. But I mean Stan was

449
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,440
Speaker 6: never rude to those people. He never dumped them automatically.

450
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:14,880
Speaker 6: You know, the dump button, I think is what they

451
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Speaker 6: call it. And talk show lingo and he tried to

452
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Speaker 6: inject some reason into a lot of these unreasonable rants

453
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:26,919
Speaker 6: that you would get. I'm you know, Matt, you know

454
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Speaker 6: what I'm you know what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 3: So for fifth string running back in the preseason, has

456
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Speaker 3: a good game and it's time to bench nausey, Yeah, right,

457
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 3: right right, you know, craziness.

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Speaker 6: Where the four string running back is, you know, has

459
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Speaker 6: three carries for one yard and you got to make a.

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Speaker 4: Trade, you know.

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Speaker 6: So Yeah, and he would always try and inject some

462
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Speaker 6: reason and a little bit of intelligence into you know,

463
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Speaker 6: every every exchange with people that he came across, not

464
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Speaker 6: only you know, on the phone, but also in person,

465
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Speaker 6: and what beyond those that he interviewed, to those he

466
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Speaker 6: just came across, you know, in the business.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing.

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Speaker 2: And the other thing that I'll say about him is

469
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Speaker 2: to be as trusted and reliable as he was, not

470
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Speaker 2: just on the Steelers, which he obviously was, but the

471
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 2: other two franchises in town were equally you know, he

472
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Speaker 2: knew them as well. And I mean, just to be

473
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Speaker 2: that ingrained in all things Pittsburgh media, you know, in

474
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Speaker 2: sports is difficult. I mean I find it hard to

475
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Speaker 2: I do this twenty four hours a day, and I

476
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Speaker 2: find it hard. You gotta keep up on everything.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: The fact that he was able to do that and

479
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Speaker 2: talk coherently about each and every sport and every every

480
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Speaker 2: just amazing and knew everybody year round.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and you know, let me just throw this out

482
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Speaker 6: to it. I mean, people who have been listening to

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Speaker 6: this or following, uh, you know, the recent events, know

484
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Speaker 6: that Stan was from Cleveland, and I remember, uh seriously,

485
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Speaker 6: one of the tragedies of his sporting life, I will say,

486
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Speaker 6: was when the Indians lost the nineteen ninety seventh World

487
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Speaker 6: Series in the seventh game to the Florida Marlins. And

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Speaker 6: you know, I'm not a big baseball fan, and but

489
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Speaker 6: Stan and I at that time, you know, I was

490
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Speaker 6: kind of rooting for the Indians number one, because I

491
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Speaker 6: knew Stan and I liked him, and you know that

492
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Speaker 6: there was that and also the movie Major League had

493
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Speaker 6: come out not long before that, and so you know,

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Speaker 6: I was kind of enamored with the whole you know, Indians, Cleveland,

495
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Speaker 6: Indians dynamic. And when I remember having a conversation with

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Speaker 6: Stan after after the fact, you know, the Jose Mesa

497
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Speaker 6: and I don't remember the specifics, but Jose Masa, the

498
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 6: Indians closer, did not close the seventh game. It went

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Speaker 6: into extra innings and they lost. And I don't think,

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Speaker 6: I don't think Jose Mesa, uh, you know, would ever

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Speaker 6: have been able to work himself back into stands good

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Speaker 6: graces after that. And so you know that's the He

503
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Speaker 6: was also the kind of fan that he dealt with

504
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Speaker 6: all the time. I mean, he was just right right

505
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Speaker 6: loved it and and it meant a lot to him,

506
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Speaker 6: and it hurt him just as badly, you know, as

507
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Speaker 6: you know Steelers fans were hurt when the Jesse James

508
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 6: ball was ruled incomplete, or you know, the fourth and

509
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Speaker 6: three pass in the ninety four AFC Championship game fell incomplete,

510
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Speaker 6: or you know, or you know, here comes bream, you

511
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Speaker 6: know what, whatever it might be. You know, he felt

512
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Speaker 6: a lot of the things that the fans felt, you know,

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Speaker 6: when they were living through their greatest disappointments in their

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Speaker 6: sporting life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and to you know, to span three Steeler coaches

516
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Speaker 2: and you know, just had the trust and respect of

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Speaker 2: all three of them. I can remember him telling me that,

518
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 2: you know, that was like he knew he kind of

519
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 2: made it in Pittsburgh when I think he was at

520
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 2: TAE at the time and they wanted to do a

521
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 2: shit down for a game with Chuck Knowle, and Chuck

522
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Speaker 2: said that he would only do it if Stan Savern

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Speaker 2: did it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that's again, you know, you talk about

525
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 6: and three more diverse personalities and I'm only going to

526
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,360
Speaker 6: talk about the Steelers because that's what I'm most familiar with.

527
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 6: You know, Chuck Knowle and then Bill Kauer and then

528
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Speaker 6: Mike Tomlin. I mean, three guys who you know, each

529
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Speaker 6: great in their own ways, but you talk about personalities,

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Speaker 6: their interests. I mean just totally you know different, and

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Speaker 6: all of them would work with Stan.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 6: I mean, and again that's that just shows I don't

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Speaker 6: know the breadth of his personality and what he knew

535
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 6: about his business and his diligence, his dedication to it.

536
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 6: You know, just again a big loss for the city

537
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Speaker 6: of Pittsburgh in terms of sports world. But you know,

538
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Speaker 6: also a really decent human being is no.

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Speaker 1: Longer with us.

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Speaker 3: I don't think there's many that didn't get along with Stan,

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Speaker 3: at least in my interactions. And if you came across

542
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 3: someone's like no, that's probably your fault, not his. You

543
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 3: probably don't get along with many people.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and you could have disagreements with him, and sometimes

545
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 6: I won't say they got heated or bitter, but you know,

546
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 6: he he had his opinions and he believed in them,

547
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 6: and you know he would express them forcefully sometimes. But

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Speaker 6: it was never personal, I mean, you know, or for

549
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 6: clicks or for you know, it just it.

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Speaker 4: Just wasn't It just wasn't that.

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Speaker 6: And you know, his level of preparation and what he

552
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 6: knew in his head, his recall.

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Speaker 1: You know, you didn't.

554
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Speaker 6: You didn't do a lot of if Stan said something

555
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 6: even in on the air or in a conversation about

556
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 6: you know, a sporting topic or event or something. You know,

557
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 6: if you if you spend a lot of time looking

558
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 6: up what he said to make sure he was right,

559
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 6: you were largely wasting your time. You know, it was

560
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 6: usually best, the higher percentage move was to believe that

561
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 6: he was right. And then you know, take it from me, Yeah,

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00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 6: if you wanted to agree with him or disagree with him,

563
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 6: or you know, however you wanted to further the conversation

564
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 6: with debate, but you know, calling him on his facts.

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Speaker 6: You know, as I said, what wasn't a high percentage move.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry to even have to to do this

567
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 2: at this point, but.

568
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Speaker 1: We gotta take a break.

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Speaker 2: You can sit here and talk about Stan for hours,

570
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 2: but we have Steelers Ota session Mini camp sessions.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 2: Ots are over and there's a lot of a lot

573
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Speaker 2: of excitement on the tame. Things are heating up, and

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Speaker 2: so we're gonna take a break. We want to thank

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Speaker 2: Bob Labriola for stopping by to talk about his friend,

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00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 2: our friend, Pittsburgh's friend Stan Savereign and his his untimely

577
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Speaker 2: passing last night.

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Speaker 1: Just a shame.

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Speaker 2: But we'll be back with more here on Steelers Nation

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Speaker 2: Radio and ESPN nine seventy.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I am Dale, Allie. He is Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 2: We are live from the Steelers Mini camp session here

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Speaker 2: at the up mc rooney Sports Complex and uh, Matt

584
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Speaker 2: start talking a little bit of football here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Stan would be mad at us we didn't talk

586
00:28:58,360 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 3: about Come on, man.

587
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 2: So Bill Barmwa is a piece today on the NFL

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Speaker 2: or on ESPN dot com nine in this where gets

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00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 2: thrown around way two?

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Speaker 4: Oh, I hate this. I know you're looking at goats.

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00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 3: Right, there's only one there can only be one, right, right,

592
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 3: it stands for greatest of all time, So that, in

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Speaker 3: my definition, is one.

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Speaker 4: He's one of the goats. So he's one of the five.

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00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: No, no, no, it doesn't work that way.

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00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 3: Right, it's Jordan's Yes, Ali, there's one.

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Speaker 4: One whoever it is, you know, right, one got five

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Speaker 4: of them.

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Speaker 2: Well, he's breaking it down by position.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so it's a little different.

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Speaker 2: So he broke the He's got quarterback, wide receiver, tight end, guard,

602
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 2: edge rusher, defensive tackle, kicker, and kick returner as guys.

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Speaker 2: He's current player, current players who could become the greatest

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Speaker 2: of all time at those particular positions.

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Speaker 3: I was a couple off the top, but I didn't

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Speaker 3: look at the article. But there's a few off the

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Speaker 3: top of my head that I think will have a case.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So the current goat at quarterback, I'm not even gonna

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Speaker 2: say goat.

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Speaker 1: I hate yeah.

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Speaker 2: Right, the current current greatest quarterback is considered to be

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Speaker 2: Tom Brady.

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Speaker 4: I think he has the best resume without question. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean resume resume.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: That doesn't mean he's the.

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Speaker 3: Hardest guy to play against, but I think his body

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Speaker 3: of work is unparalleled.

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Speaker 2: Of course, the active player who could surpass him is,

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Speaker 2: of course, Patrick Mahomes, and I hundreercent agree with that

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Speaker 2: he is well on his way.

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Speaker 3: I don't try to get you know, people rout up,

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Speaker 3: but I think Mahomes is the best quarterback I've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty good, pretty pretty.

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Speaker 4: He put the same resume together, probably, but.

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Speaker 2: So he gets puts a percentage on these things, and

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Speaker 2: he says the percent that the chances Mahomes will end

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Speaker 2: his career as being considered better than Brady is fifteen percent,

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Speaker 2: which seems a little low to me.

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Speaker 3: It seems a little low, but I mean that's a

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Speaker 3: massive number for any of these guys. I mean in general, like,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure the wide receiver that's going to try to

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Speaker 3: beat Jerry Rice is two percent.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, nobody has any chance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, so have a chance is impressive wide receiver.

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Speaker 2: It is, of course Jerry Rice. Now many even know.

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Speaker 2: I used to host show with Antonio Brown when he's

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Speaker 2: with the Steelers, and I can remember Antonio was about

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Speaker 2: thirty at this point.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so you a really good body of work.

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Speaker 2: I ran the numbers on it, and I told him

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Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, so give him what you're doing, what

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00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 2: you've done to this point in your career, you would

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00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 2: need to continue to play until you're about thirty six

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Speaker 2: at the same level to be in the neighborhood at Jerry, right.

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Speaker 4: He's a neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: Right, you'll have it as to have a chance.

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Speaker 3: He probably had a Hall of Fame resume at that point. Yeah, yeah, Ab,

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about right, yes. And the thing about Rice though,

651
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 3: was he's not just a compiler. I mean, some of

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Speaker 3: these guys that have lifetime statistics are amazing. And he

653
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Speaker 3: wasn't the best player in.

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Speaker 4: The league his last five years with the Raiders and

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Speaker 4: Broncos and whatnot, but he was the best player's position

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Speaker 4: for a long stretch. In addition to that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he finished his career with twenty two thousand, eight

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Speaker 2: hundred and ninety five yards receiving.

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Speaker 3: See, that's one of the positions where you don't even

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Speaker 3: talk about it. It's who's number two.

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Speaker 2: You know it will be Larry Fitzgerald, And Larry Fitzgerald

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Speaker 2: is fifty four hundred yards behind you.

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Speaker 1: Fifty four hundred yards. That's like four good seasons.

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Speaker 3: And as everyone knows, I love Larry, but My conversation was,

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Speaker 3: who's the second best receiver of all time?

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's Larry.

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Speaker 2: Nobody else's league history is over sixteen thousand.

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Speaker 4: Wow. Wow, I mean that's that's craziness.

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Speaker 2: So the active player who he feels could surpass him,

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Speaker 2: I don't even know who would be.

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Speaker 3: He is justin Jefferson, Okay. I mean his start to

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Speaker 3: his career is remarkable.

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Speaker 2: His chances, however, he says basically he would need to

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Speaker 2: play into his late thirties or even into his forties

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Speaker 2: to have an opportunity to catch Rice. The career chances

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Speaker 2: that Jefferson will end his career as the greatest is

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Speaker 2: one percent.

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Speaker 4: Yeah that sounds fair. Yeah, real quick.

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Speaker 1: Though, to stay healthy and I've never missed.

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Speaker 3: M motivated and your millions in the bank and you

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Speaker 3: still want to keep doing it and all those type

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Speaker 3: of things. But I don't know if that position. You

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Speaker 3: have to be the all time receiving yards leader to be.

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Speaker 4: The goat, right, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: I mean, you have a better residume, you have a

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Speaker 3: better career touchdowns he had. Yeah, I mean he's got

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Speaker 3: rings and all everywhere, right, tight end, This one's close

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00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 3: to me the.

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Speaker 2: Current greatest of all time. And this is even debatable.

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Speaker 2: He has Tony Gonzalez.

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Speaker 3: I think it's Gronk. Yeah, I firmly think it's Gronk.

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Speaker 3: No offensive Gonzalez. I mean he's probably two.

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Speaker 4: But I think the guy he's going to bring up

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Speaker 4: is really banging on the door here.

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Speaker 2: Well he has, with apologies to Shannon Sharp, Rob Gronkowski.

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Speaker 1: And Jason Witten.

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Speaker 4: Gronk, she only won to call.

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Speaker 2: I think Kelsey is already the second best tight end ever.

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Speaker 2: That's what he That's what he wrote. I would Jason, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: come on, come on, man.

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Speaker 3: I mean even Sharp, Yeah, I mean he's I don't

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Speaker 3: think Sharp was the first ballot Hall of Famer. I

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Speaker 3: mean I'm I'm sure he wasn't. To be honest with you, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I would go Gronk and Kelsey is knocking banging on

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Speaker 3: that door.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Kelsey has ten three hundred and forty

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Speaker 2: four receiving yards and seventy one touchdowns. Gonzalez had fifteen

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Speaker 2: one and twenty seven receiving yards and one hundred and

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00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 2: eleven touchdowns in his seventeen year career. Do we think

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Speaker 2: Kelsey plays seventeen years in the league.

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Speaker 3: No, but nobody's had a five year stretch like him.

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Speaker 3: True that he's in the middle of right now. I

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Speaker 3: mean he can make it a six year stretch, a

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Speaker 3: seven year stretch.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, here's the difference. So play again.

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Speaker 2: Gazales came into the league at twenty one. Kelsey was

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Speaker 2: twenty four when he was drafted, and he only played

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Speaker 2: one game as a rookie. So that the career paths

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Speaker 2: aren't They don't match up real.

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Speaker 3: Well, this whole conversation, longevity's going to be an issue. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: whoever the running back is is not going to catch Emmett.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's no one's gonna catch Rice.

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Speaker 1: If Emmett's the greatest, I don't think he is.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he is either, But I mean just

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Speaker 3: in terms of breaking all time records, passing yards, yes,

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Speaker 3: but some of these other ones are going to.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I don't think running back was on this list.

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Speaker 1: Who would you have as your greatest all time Brown?

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Speaker 1: I could see that.

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Speaker 2: I could also make a serious argument for Walter Payton

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Speaker 2: or Berry Sanders.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they would be two and three for me.

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Speaker 3: The only one that's even active that's close is Derrick

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Speaker 3: Henry and I don't think he's close.

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Speaker 1: No, he's not.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, even like this is we have

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Speaker 4: a ton of time.

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Speaker 3: But there's an argument that no running back recently since

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Speaker 3: Adrian Peterson should be in the Hall of Fame because

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Speaker 3: if you look at their all time yards, Henry is

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Speaker 3: the active leader and he's like fortieth all time, which

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Speaker 3: is amazing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, just that's the way the league is trying

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00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 2: to in the careers don't last as long as that position, right,

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Speaker 2: You're not going to see somebody like Emmitt's. I mean,

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00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,959
Speaker 2: look right now, Ezeke Elliott is still sitting out there.

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Speaker 1: Nobody's in nobody's in a rush to.

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Speaker 3: Go sign him because he can add another thousand yards

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Speaker 3: to his resume. Maybe he's lucky if he sticks around

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Speaker 3: two years and gets an opportunity, he may not play again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll do one more here before we head to

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Speaker 2: the breakup.

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Speaker 1: That would be guard.

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Speaker 4: Do you have an all time favorite number one goat guard?

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Speaker 2: He has three guys here, John Hannah, Bruce Matthews, Randall McDaniel.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I was gonna say Hannah or uh.

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Speaker 4: They should be on the tip of your tongue.

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Speaker 1: But Fanick and Hutchinson. We're pretty good.

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Speaker 3: I was going to say the massive dude from the Cowboys,

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Speaker 3: Nate Newton, No, the other one, Larry Allen.

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Speaker 1: Larry Allen.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if I were drafting guards, I would take handa

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Speaker 4: on that.

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Speaker 1: But it's guard.

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Speaker 4: But they're guards, right, And there's no stats.

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Speaker 1: There's no stats.

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Speaker 2: Uh. So he has the active player who could become

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Speaker 2: the greatest, Zach Martin.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think Martin's a slam dunk Hall of Famer now, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean I think Martin's at the Fanica Hutchinson.

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Speaker 1: Level two years old, right, right? Right?

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Speaker 3: Could he go down the best guard that's ever lived.

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Speaker 3: That's a pretty rough statement, and.

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Speaker 2: Well, he has his chances. He will end his career

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Speaker 2: as the greatest of all time. At thirty five percent.

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Speaker 2: I'm just glad he didn't list Quentin Nelson there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean who else is coming off

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Speaker 3: a bad year and durability, not durability, but longevity at

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00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 3: that position super important.

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00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 4: I mean, you're not gonna have high peaks.

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Speaker 2: And I don't remember anybody ever saying, boy, Zach Martin

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Speaker 2: had a bad year this year, never, never, But you

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Speaker 2: could say that about Quentin Nelson last year, right.

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Speaker 3: Right, right, I mean even like, I don't think the

786
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 3: Castro's at that level, but I don't remember David ever

787
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Speaker 3: having a bad year, you know, and Martin's a better

788
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 3: version of that over a longer stretch. Yeah, you know

789
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 3: it is a Steeler calum.

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00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think he you know, the one

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00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 2: downfall to his career has been Dallas's lack of playoff.

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Speaker 3: Success doesn't help, right, So yeah, no, but I think

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Speaker 3: he's a slam down call.

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Speaker 2: Thirty five percent chance. It's pretty good. Edge Rusher is

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Speaker 2: up next, and we're going to discuss that one. There's

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Speaker 2: some candidates, there are some serious candidates on there, and

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Speaker 2: we will talk about that when we come back.

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Speaker 3: He isidate too, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: We will talk about that all next. He is Matt

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Speaker 2: Williams and I am Dale Lolley. We are live from

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Speaker 2: the Steelers Ota Session. I keep saying Ota Sessions Steelers

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Speaker 2: Mini camp. I'm saying Ota Sessions because they're doing a

803
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: lot of the same stuff, but it's not a whole

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Speaker 2: lot different carryover of OTAs. But we will talk about

805
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Speaker 2: more with this Bill Barmwell piece when we come back.

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Speaker 2: He is Matt Williams and I am Dale Lowllie, you're

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