1 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Savor production of iHeartRadio. I'm any 2 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: Reason and. 3 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 2: I'm Lauren vogl Bam, and today we have an episode 4 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 2: for you about screw caps, screw tops, screw top enclosures 5 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 2: for containers. 6 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: Yes, I then go buy many names. Sure. Sure, we're 7 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: continuing our look into closures of different types. Yeah. Yes, which, 8 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: by the way, every time we do one of these, 9 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: at the end, I have more questions than I generally 10 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 1: came in with, and I want to investigate more. So 11 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: I think it's a fun mini series. Yeah. Absolutely. Was 12 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: there any particular reason this was on your mind, Laura. 13 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 2: It's been on my mind ever since the last for 14 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 2: this entire ever since we started looking into closures. I 15 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 2: was like, ooh, this involves materials, science and mechanics. That's 16 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 2: cool on a food show. Let's go into that some more. Yes, 17 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 2: and indeed it does. 18 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: And I think this gives you a real if you 19 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: needed it, I'll look into how nerdy we are. Yeah 20 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: that we were excited to look into this. However, we 21 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: did come we ran into some trouble researching this one. 22 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 2: Surprisingly, Yeah, right, there were just you know, this is 23 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 2: a very podcaster problem to have, but there aren't enough 24 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 2: industry websites like of businesses like production companies that have 25 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 2: extensive archival material about their company history readily available to us. 26 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: Ridiculous is what it is, absolutely ridiculous. 27 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: And or Google is breaking under our feet every day. 28 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 2: So I don't know, I don't know what's going on. 29 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: It could be both. 30 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, both are both are issues, I strongly believe. But yes, 31 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 2: but we persevered. Uh and I and I believe we 32 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 2: have an episode for you, Yes, we absolutely do. 33 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: Uh. And it is highly related to our past episode 34 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: enclosures wine stoppers. 35 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, cork crown caps ramine is a great one for 36 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 2: cod cod bottle closures. 37 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, uh huh. You can also see our Sparkling Wine episodes, 38 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: which were our very first so you know it was 39 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: some great a. 40 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 2: Little claimer there. We were new, we were fresh out 41 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 2: the bucks. 42 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: We we definitely were. But I guess that brings us 43 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: to our question. Sure, screw caps what are they? Well? 44 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 2: Screw caps are a type of closure for containers that involve, 45 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 2: at the user end physically spinning a cap designed with 46 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 2: a spiral thread on its interior off of a container 47 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 2: with a matching spiral thread on its lips exterior The 48 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 2: idea is that this has snugly and securely fit the 49 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 2: cap onto the container, and you can easily remove it 50 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 2: and then put it back on again if you so choose, 51 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 2: and in this way you can contain anything larger than 52 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 2: the spaces remaining between the cap and the container. The 53 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: fit can be made tighter, even liquid or air tight, 54 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 2: by placing some kind of layer of soft material on 55 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: the inside of the cap, either on the thread or 56 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 2: at the top, that will form to the lip of 57 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 2: the container. All kinds of containers, for all kinds of 58 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 2: purposes are designed this way because it's a simple and 59 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 2: effective mechanical design that isn't very expensive to manufacture, and 60 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 2: it allows the user to yes easily open and close 61 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 2: the container over and over again with no special equipment 62 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 2: other than a decent ability to grip and twist depending 63 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 2: on the materials and process you use to seal the container. 64 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: This means that you can package just about any solid 65 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 2: or liquid. But since we are extensibly a food show, 66 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 2: let's say anything from like powdered herbs to whole spices, 67 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 2: to prepared soups and sauces, to fruit or vegetables or 68 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 2: meat packed in liquid, to beverages from milk to soda 69 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 2: to yes wine. Products from industrial manufacturers or that are 70 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 2: meant for long term storage will usually have some kind 71 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 2: of safety feature built into this cap to assure you 72 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: that the contents have arrived to you, like sanitarily sealed. 73 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 2: Screw caps are one of those inventions that, like you 74 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 2: don't necessarily think about, but are absolutely everywhere, to the 75 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 2: extent that when you do think about them, you are 76 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 2: you're forced to conclude that like sometimes, just sometimes humans 77 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 2: really figure a thing out. 78 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is everywhere. Doing this research, I started 79 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 1: to think of all of the products I have that 80 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: use a screw top. 81 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I lot. Yeah. I spent a decent amount of 82 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 2: time wandering around my house looking at containers. While I 83 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 2: was writing this outline. I was like, no, really, how 84 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 2: does it work? Oh? 85 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: I see, okay, cool, totally normal thing to do. 86 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 2: It was the first time I've ever had to be like, Bruce, 87 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 2: don't try to drink the contro. 88 00:05:55,120 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: See, yeah, Bruce, the kitten does not many contrue what 89 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: I will say. 90 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 2: Although if she was drunk this whole time, it would 91 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 2: kind of explain a lot. 92 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: Uh. 93 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 2: Anyway, Okay, so the materials that are used to make 94 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 2: a screw cap container depend a lot on the properties 95 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 2: of the product meant to be stored, perhaps obviously, but 96 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 2: I'm going to say a lot of obvious things in 97 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: this episode, but I think that they bear saying, so 98 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 2: you know, really you can make a screw cap, jar 99 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 2: or bottle out of anything. It does help if the 100 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 2: container is made out of something more rigid and the 101 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 2: cap is made out of something more malleable, And again, 102 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: you do get a lot better of a seal if 103 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 2: there's a bit inside the cap that's extra malleable and 104 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 2: will like form to the rigid container lip each time 105 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 2: you screw the cap on. But beyond that, like you know, 106 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 2: the container can be glass or metal, or plastic or ceramic. 107 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 2: The lid is most often metal or plastic, but can 108 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 2: be glass or ceramic too. The cap liner can be cork, rubber, 109 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,559 Speaker 2: some kind of soft plastic, or paper coated with metal 110 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 2: or plastic or both to make it less permeable but 111 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 2: also less expensive than straight plastic. The things you're looking 112 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 2: to watch out for in the design here are well 113 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 2: like a the content's escaping. That's not the most effective 114 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 2: way to package something. B the contents reacting with the 115 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 2: container materials and see the contents staying fresh both while 116 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 2: sealed in the package and in some capacity after the 117 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,679 Speaker 2: package has been opened by the user for the first time. 118 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 2: So you're necessarily looking at different materials and designs for 119 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 2: something to contain something thick like processed peanut butter versus 120 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 2: thin like olive oil, versus acidic like vinegar versus meant 121 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 2: to be used fresh within a short period of time 122 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 2: like orange juice. Yeah, we would need to be a 123 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 2: whole different show in order to cover how these materials 124 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 2: work and like how the different types of containers are 125 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 2: developed and produced. Like damn it, gym, I'm a food 126 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 2: podcast or not a material science expert. But very basically, 127 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 2: plastic is such a useful material for screw caps and 128 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 2: the containers that they go on because it can be 129 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 2: melted and injected into a mold, and the mold can 130 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 2: be pretty detailed, and the plastic will cool and harden 131 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 2: into that shape and probably only need like minor finishing 132 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 2: like trimming to get the rough edges off when it 133 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 2: comes out of the mold. Plastic is unfortunately extremely convenient 134 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 2: and inexpensive to work with aluminum screw caps that go 135 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 2: onto glass bottles like wine or soda bottles work a 136 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 2: little bit differently. Basically, you mold the glass bottle to 137 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,319 Speaker 2: have a thread at the outer rim, and then you 138 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 2: press an aluminum cap onto the thread that it takes 139 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 2: the exact form of that threaded neck. But because aluminium 140 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 2: alone wouldn't seal super well and could corrode from contact 141 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 2: with liquids, you line the aluminum with what's called in 142 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 2: the industry wad real sexy. This is modernly some kind 143 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 2: of soft plastic, often several layers of slightly different soft plastics, 144 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 2: and sometimes a little bit of paper and metal like 145 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 2: tin or more aluminum in there. There will be a 146 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 2: thick disc of this stuff in the top of the 147 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 2: cap and a little bit along the inner sides. So 148 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 2: when you press the cap onto the bottleneck, the wad 149 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 2: forms the secure seal with the lip and the sides 150 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 2: of the neck, and the firmer aluminum on the outside 151 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 2: holds it in place and in shape. It's really very clever, 152 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 2: and the design can incorporate all kinds of little features 153 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 2: that just help secure the cap and make it more 154 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 2: or less resealable. These days, there are all kinds of 155 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 2: material science innovations being made for different needs. You know, 156 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 2: like I saw some plant fiber packaging that can be 157 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 2: used in place of plastic in some applications to reduce 158 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 2: dependence on plastics. Containers made with more recycled material and 159 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 2: or from materials that are more recyclable. There is, in 160 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 2: particular a lot of work going into producing multi layer 161 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 2: caps with very precise levels of air permeability for the 162 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 2: wine industry. As we discussed in our corek episode, wines 163 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 2: generally want a small amount of airflow in and out 164 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 2: of a sealed bottle so that the wine develops a 165 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 2: bit while it's in there. More on that in the 166 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 2: history section. 167 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, indeed. Well what about the nutrition? 168 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 2: Uh, do not eat product containers unless you find yourself 169 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 2: in some kind of like Willy Wonka situation. 170 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: Good advice, I think, yeah, good advice. Yeah, all right, 171 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: Well we do have some numbers for you. 172 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 2: Yeah. So, just out of curiosity, while I was wandering 173 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 2: around my home looking at containers, I did account to 174 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 2: see how many products I use on like a weekly 175 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 2: basis that have a screw cap enclosure, and it's like 176 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 2: fifteen to twenty on the daily. It's more like five 177 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 2: to ten and more cosmetics than foods, mostly because I'm 178 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 2: not cooking from scratch every day, but like, yeah, when 179 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 2: I do cook, like so many of my seasonings, both 180 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 2: both liquid and solid, come in screw cap containers. 181 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 1: Yep, agreed. 182 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, the beverage industry is the largest share of the 183 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 2: very large market for screw caps, with pharma and cosmetics 184 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 2: trailing behind. And when you look at wine closures specifically, 185 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 2: as of twenty sixteen, in the International Wine Challenge, which 186 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 2: is this big industry wine rating an award body, twenty 187 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 2: six percent of wines from around the world that were 188 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 2: entered we're sealed with screw caps. A little bit of 189 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 2: a quarter, not too shabby. In contrast, though, of the 190 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 2: entries from Australia, eighty nine percent were screw caps. 191 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 1: Yep. That sounds about right, m h. And even though 192 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: the screw cap is so ubiquitous, people do love writing 193 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: about that wine part. So we are going to talk 194 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:37,359 Speaker 1: about that in the history. 195 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty extensively. And we are going to get into 196 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 2: that history as soon as we get back from a 197 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 2: quick break for a word from our sponsors, and we're back. 198 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: Thank you sponsored, Yes, thank you, so yes, we are 199 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: going to be talking a lot about wine in this episode, 200 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: because that's what everybody seems to be writing about when 201 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: it comes to screwtop caps. For now, I just added 202 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: all the words in there. 203 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 2: Yeah sure, why not? 204 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah sure. So if you haven't listened to the 205 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: episode we did on cork, but we did touch on 206 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: other wine stoppers, definitely go do that. A lot of 207 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: what we're going to talk about does have to do 208 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:29,839 Speaker 1: with wine. But yeah, screwtops have been around and used 209 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: for all kinds of things. It's sort of frustrating that 210 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: no one is writing about them that we could find. 211 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm like, this has been around since the 212 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 2: eighteen fifties, so yes, you'd think. 213 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: You said it's used for all kinds of things. All right. 214 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: Since food, drink, and in this case particularly alcohol, storage 215 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: has been a thing, the question of how to best 216 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: store these items has been one that's caused a lot 217 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: of innovation. And yeah, if you've listened to our very 218 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 1: first episode on sparkling wine, you know that the pressures 219 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: built by fermentation led to explosions of bottles and legitimate 220 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: concern at the time when they didn't understand what was happening. 221 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 2: They were like, is the devil in the cellar right 222 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 2: now exactly, And yeah, throughout history, containers for foods and 223 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 2: drinks were made out of something hard like glass or ceramic, 224 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 2: and were sealed by things like cork or wax or 225 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 2: combination of both. Sometimes other stuff found its way in 226 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 2: there as well, but those were like the main main 227 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 2: ways to seal up a container. However, these containers could 228 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 2: not be pressure sealed, so fresh products couldn't be made 229 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 2: shelf stable through canning. If you wanted to preserve something 230 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 2: that wasn't already relatively self preserving, like vinegar or honey, 231 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 2: your choices were basically to dry it out with heat 232 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 2: or by packing it in salt or sugar, or to 233 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 2: pickle it. And this is how a lot of the 234 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 2: traditional foods that we enjoy today were developed. But none 235 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,479 Speaker 2: of these preserves methods were perfect. 236 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: Right, And another issue in this conversation when it comes 237 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: to wine, particularly as discussed in our wine Stoppers episode, 238 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: is cork taint. In simplest terms, this is when cork, 239 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: the traditional wine stopper, is tainted with TCA, which gives 240 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: it an unpleasant taste and smell. It's really bad. I've 241 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: experienced it before. The impact of that was enough that 242 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: wine producers, specifically, we're looking for a new solution to this, 243 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: to cork, to this stopper. And yes, this is why 244 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: you might get asked to smell a cork at a 245 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: restaurant if you order a bottle of wine. Yeah. 246 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 2: The answer, the correct answer in that situation is not 247 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 2: do I like this wine? It is does it smell 248 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 2: like a wet dish rag? 249 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: Yep, exactly. Meanwhile, there was the issue of shipping wines 250 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: from places like Australia, wherein the length of the export 251 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: time allowed for more chance of cork taint during the transport, 252 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: so Australian wine producers were looking for options outside of cork. Simultaneously, 253 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: French bottle manufacturer Le Bouchon Mecanique was working on a solution. 254 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: They had been approached by Australian wineries and in nineteen 255 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: fifty nine they came up with the screw cap for wine. 256 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: They called it the Stelle cap. Then the caps were 257 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: repurposed from the bottles of other spirits. So this was 258 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: a big deal. And while this is the most recent 259 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: and perhaps most notable iteration of the screw cap, because 260 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: wine producers typically didn't use this type of closure. Screw 261 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: caps were already in use for things like beer and 262 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: some food items and had been for a long time. 263 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: In fact, a lot of folks trace the beginning of 264 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: the screw cap to the invention or at least the 265 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: patenting of the Mason jar with a screw cap in 266 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: eighteen fifty eight by John Landis Mason. He came up 267 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: with a design for a square shaped jar with a 268 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: threaded neck and lid and a rubber seal so that 269 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: it could be airtight. This innovation greatly improved the preservation 270 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: of food at the time, and it allowed people with 271 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: access to them greater food safety and convenience, and a 272 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: way to preserve their own foods or beverages at home. 273 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, this was a time of a lot of innovations 274 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 2: in the bottling and canning space thanks to a number 275 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 2: of things, but like a lot of them had to 276 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 2: do with the Industrial Revolution ramping up manufacturing and also 277 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 2: a number of like materials technologies being improved. For example, 278 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 2: the cod neck bottle was patented in eighteen seventy two. 279 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: Right, and when it comes to beverages specifically, a fellow 280 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 1: named Dan Reinolds out of the UK patented a screwtop 281 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 1: for whiskey. 282 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 2: In like the eighteen nineties. I want to say, yeah, yes. 283 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: Yes, but it never really got any traction, in part 284 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: because it had some functional issues due to the interaction 285 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: of the metal used and the alcohol. As you were saying, 286 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 1: just for reference, the crown cap was invented by William 287 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: Painter in eighteen ninety two and it really revolutionized things 288 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: like the beer industry. A lot of carbonated bottled beverages 289 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: still used them to this day. Yeah. Yeah, separate episode 290 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: that we did. Yep, yep. 291 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 2: The original material used for screw caps for glass containers 292 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 2: would have been steel. Aluminum came up during the early 293 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 2: nineteen hundreds and then plastics entered the scene like mid century. 294 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: And as the world modernized and consumerism roves, more and 295 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: more items on grocery shelves had screw caps, beverages, sauces, 296 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: non food things like toothpaste and beauty products. It I 297 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 1: don't know if people didn't write about it or it 298 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 1: just became so ubiquitous, but I feel like it had 299 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:55,199 Speaker 1: a moment where pretty much everybody was like, hey, yeah, 300 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: this is to use that. Yep, the screw cap with 301 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: the tamperproof hold ring was patented in nineteen eighty one. 302 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,479 Speaker 1: And you know what those are, the plastic screw tops 303 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: that have the ring at the bottom so you can 304 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 1: tell if it's been opened or not, the little perforated. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 305 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: there have been a couple. There had been a couple 306 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 1: of previous tamperproof closures though, but that was when I 307 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: think a lot of the big companies started using this, 308 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: stepping back a bit and going back to wine. Yeah. 309 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 2: So Interestingly, researchers at the University of California Davis were 310 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 2: experimenting with screw cap sealed wine as early as the 311 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 2: nineteen thirties, but it did not take off at that time. 312 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 2: It would not be until the French designed and approved 313 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 2: of the aforementioned stell cap system in the nineteen sixties 314 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 2: that anyone really picked it up. 315 00:19:55,600 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 1: Yes, so, as discustener win Stopper episode, some folks in 316 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 1: the industry were displeased, to say the least, with this 317 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: perceived replacement of the cork with the screwcap. The ritual 318 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: of the cork, the feel of the cork, the whole thing. 319 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 1: The screwtop when it came to wine, at least, was 320 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: associated with cheap wines. At first, the backlash was severe 321 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: enough in the early days that the screwtop almost went 322 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:28,360 Speaker 1: away completely. But Australian wine producers who were looking for 323 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: this solution, who were looking for an alternative to the corkstopper, 324 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: they were determined and in nineteen seventy Australian Consolidated Industries 325 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: bought the rights to the stellcap then screwtop and renamed 326 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 1: it Stelvin. They officially registered that name in nineteen seventy six. 327 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: This was when Australian wine producers were really looking to 328 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: make a name for themselves on the global stage, which 329 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: meant they really had to tackle this cork tank problem 330 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: head on. Screwtops were a good way to prevent it. 331 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: Australian Consolidated Industries experimented with several different makeups up the 332 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: screw top of the material, specifically looking to get the 333 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: desired exchange of gas while avoiding cork taint. But now 334 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: they had another problem, the public's perception of screw top 335 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: wine as a cheap wine that was of poor quality. 336 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 2: Part of this was due to the fact that at 337 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 2: the time screw caps were too good at preventing oxygen 338 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 2: flow into wine bottles, so the only wines that could 339 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 2: be reasonably sealed using screw caps were ones meant to 340 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:40,239 Speaker 2: be consumed young and fresh, which are generally cheaper and 341 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 2: considered less fancy than wines that improve with age. But 342 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 2: cat producers were working on it. I had trouble tracking 343 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 2: down exact dates, but like by the mid nineteen nineties 344 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 2: to early two thousands, they were figuring out materials and 345 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 2: physical bottling processes to all allow wines to breathe a 346 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 2: little bit under screw caps. However, the stigma remained. 347 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: Indeed it did, so the wine makers took steps to 348 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: counter this narrative. In two thousand, a good chunk of 349 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: wineries out of Australia came together to bottle some screw 350 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,719 Speaker 1: top wines, about two hundred and fifty thousand bottles of 351 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: their best wines to let them age. Six years later, 352 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: in two thousand and six, the wine had aged as desired, 353 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: the product was good. New Zealand did a similar thing, 354 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: beginning in two thousand and one with their screwcap initiative 355 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: and their screw cap sypnosium, which I love yeah personally, yeah, yes. 356 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: And over time these efforts did come to fruition screw 357 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: caps for wine. They're convenient, and the association with cheap 358 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 1: wine isn't as strong today as it was then. As 359 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: mentioned in our Wine Stopper episode, wine expert Randall Graham 360 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: held a jokey funeral for the cork in two thousand 361 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: and two, embracing the screw top for wine. 362 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and however you personally feel about screw caps today 363 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 2: for wine, I understand that this really was like an 364 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 2: emotional topic for wine enthusiasts at the time. Just for example, 365 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,479 Speaker 2: one Ben Giliberti, writing for the Washington Post in two 366 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 2: thousand and four, In this article, he was trying to 367 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 2: talk readers through why screw caps are really just fine, 368 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 2: and went through this whole scenario about like being in 369 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 2: a restaurant and the horror of a bottle of wine 370 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 2: that you order coming with a screw cap one line 371 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 2: one line from it. It should also be said that 372 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 2: the screw top on the New Zealand Merlow in my 373 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 2: scenario is only distantly related to the crude shard of 374 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 2: aluminum that adorns the top of some soda bottles. Modern 375 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 2: wine screw caps are highly engineered pieces of packaging technology 376 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 2: developed over many years to do the job that corks 377 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 2: seem to do only imperfectly. Oh, very very dramatic. 378 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: It is very very dramatic. A lot of people have 379 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: written dramatically about it. However, that, however that may be, 380 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 1: there are still questions. However, as much acceptance as the 381 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: screwed cap has gotten with wine, still questions. The test 382 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 1: Australian wine makers conducted were only over a few years, 383 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: so how would they go further into the aging process? 384 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: Wine makers are continuing to experiment with different materials. 385 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, but these days experts say that screw caps are 386 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 2: actually more dependable and predictable at oxygen transfer than natural quirk. Yeah, 387 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 2: I know there are strong opinions about this on both 388 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 2: sides of the debate. One of the issues that they 389 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 2: had to work out has actually been the production of 390 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 2: wine bottles, not just the caps. Like, if the neck 391 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 2: and lip of a wine bottle are uneven, that's okay 392 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 2: for a cork, because the cork will shape itself to whatever. 393 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 2: But if you're applying a screw cap, like you've got 394 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 2: a little bit of wiggle room, but it really helps 395 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 2: if the neck is just about perfectly round to fit 396 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 2: the circumference of the cap and if the lip is 397 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 2: even all the way around, not like lumpy or bumpy 398 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 2: in some spaces. 399 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: Yes, so innovation continues, a lot of it, and not 400 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: just when it comes to wine. That has just been 401 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 1: a very big topic when it comes to screw top closures, 402 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: and sometimes these innovations are not in favor of the 403 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: screw cap either. As new closures are invented or affected. 404 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: It can really depend on the product or the intended consumer. 405 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: So catch Up, for instance, used to be sold primarily 406 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: in screw top bottles, but now a lot of big 407 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 1: companies have pivoted to a squeezable valve system with a 408 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: snapld Sports bottles have experimented with hybrid screwtop closures with 409 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 1: a hinged flapper cover, and on top of that, as 410 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 1: more and more people are worried about the environment, along 411 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: with some legislation around single use plastic. In the case 412 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 1: of plastic screwtops, there's been an innovation around tethered closures, 413 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: so the cap is likelier to remain with the bottle. 414 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,919 Speaker 1: Most of these, from what I've seen, are not screw 415 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: caps though, but in either case it will certainly have 416 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: an impact on the screwtop's future. 417 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. 418 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: It's so fascinating just to read about something that a 419 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: lot of us I think take for granted. 420 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 2: And don't oh sure you thought about absolutely, absolutely right, 421 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 2: but until you really start thinking about it and then 422 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 2: you're like, oh, oh wait, what's what? Yeah, yeah yeah. 423 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 2: And I personally like, like the way that we interact 424 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 2: with different objects is very fascinating to me because like, 425 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 2: as a human person moving through your environment, there are 426 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 2: a lot of objects that you're just used to that 427 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 2: you just handle without really thinking about unless you have 428 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 2: some kind of physical difference that makes you have to 429 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 2: think about it on a continual basis. And so you know, 430 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 2: like the way the natural motion for most people of 431 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 2: snapping open uh a pop top soda can or unscrewing 432 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 2: a pill bottle or you know, they're just all of 433 00:27:55,600 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 2: these objects that we have such a familiarity with and 434 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 2: it affects how we move through our every day and 435 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 2: I and it's just so interesting to me that like 436 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 2: thirty fifty one hundred years ago, that set of objects 437 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:17,360 Speaker 2: was totally different, and therefore, like just the daily flow 438 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 2: of motion, a physical motion that a person had would 439 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 2: have been totally different. 440 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: I agree, it's a I think it's worth listeners taking 441 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: your time to do what Lauren did and go through 442 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: your place and just think about how you interact with 443 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: these these items in this type of closure every day. 444 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: Or maybe we're just nerds. I don't know, but I 445 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: would recommend it. 446 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 2: This is a thing that always sticks out at me 447 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 2: when I'm watching like historical dramas, because right, like, I like, 448 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 2: sometimes you look at an actor in your like, oh, man, 449 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 2: like they're just doing a bang up job of interacting 450 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 2: with their environment, and sometimes I'm like, I'm not positive 451 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 2: that this person was given the opportunity to learn how 452 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 2: to handle this object. Yeah, in a convincing manner. 453 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: That's true. That's a good trope of time travel, of 454 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: realizing you don't know how to interact with these objects. 455 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: Not that I will, oh yeah, time travel. 456 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 2: Anyway, ostensibly a food show. 457 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: Ostensibly a food show. I think that's what we have 458 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: to say about screw top closures for now. 459 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 2: Yes, we would love to hear from you, though, if 460 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 2: there are objects that you remember that don't work the 461 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 2: same way as they as they used to, and if 462 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 2: you miss those or if you're so happy about the improvements, 463 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 2: we would love to. I'd love to hear about that. 464 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 2: But in the meanwhile, we do already have some listener 465 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 2: mail for you, and we are going to get into 466 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 2: that as soon as we get back from one more 467 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 2: quick break for a word from our sponsors, and we're back. 468 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 2: Thank you, sponsor, Yes, thank you, and we're back. 469 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: With I think that was a good one. I liked 470 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: that one. Screw up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you get it, 471 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: you get it. 472 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 2: So. 473 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: A fan who would like to remain anonymous, wrote, not 474 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: sure if anyone else has suggested it, but as I 475 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: come from Italian immigrant parents and the Italian festival in 476 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: our area is a huge deal at the end of 477 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: every summer, I wanted to recommend a shot or two 478 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: of ourto on your lemon ice slash grenita as a 479 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: summer treat the end. Oh yes, at the end, at 480 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: the summer festival at the Italian Cathedral inner Town, you 481 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: could always purchase a lemon ice or a slightly upcharged 482 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: lemon ice with never said with what, because they didn't 483 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: have a liquor license. Even as a child, you could 484 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: order an Italian the pissani. Hope I didn't butcher that 485 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: would give you soft, sweet lemon ice World with a 486 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: little amaretto at the end of the festival. It is 487 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: maybe slightly shady, but it was so delicious and was 488 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: one of my fondest childhood memories of the fair. The 489 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: festival is a lot stricter now and the area is 490 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: struggling with food insecurity and other issues, but an amaretto, 491 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: lemon ice and zippole can still be enjoyed if you 492 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: know where to look. I highly recommend it. 493 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 2: That's fun is and I think that just a little 494 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 2: bit of a cordial for a kid. It's all right, 495 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 2: it's it's fine. 496 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not a little a dash. 497 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 2: Yeah that's not my medical recommendation obviously, but you know, yeah. 498 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: But that does sound lovely. Oh it does. Amaretto in 499 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: the summer out of their Yes, I love this too. 500 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: That is up charged lemon ice with just with Yes. 501 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: I love that. 502 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 2: Oh man, that's it's like way too cold for me 503 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 2: to want this right now, but I'm having such a 504 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 2: craving for it to be summer and to do this. 505 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: Yes, me too. 506 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 2: Bart wrote, When you read out my recent mail about 507 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 2: Moca pods, you mentioned breaking French presses. Oh my, do 508 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 2: I feel your pain, big, very thing, glass vessels, What 509 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 2: could possibly go wrong? I swore never to use a 510 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 2: glass one again when my last one shattered while drying it, 511 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 2: resulting in a ring of glass with sharp edges around 512 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 2: my forearm. But I found the solution. There are stainless 513 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 2: steel French presses. They generally offer a little insulation as 514 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 2: a bonus extra, and they work just as well as 515 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 2: glass presses while being virtually bulletproof. I've had mine for 516 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 2: so many years that my new problem was finding a 517 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 2: replacement filter mesh because I wore that out. It turns 518 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 2: out they are pretty standard in size and easy to replace. 519 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 2: Here is my well worn pair, one for coffee for one, 520 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 2: the other for coffee for three or four. And yes, 521 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 2: attached is a photo of coffee. So many nice coffee accoutrement, 522 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 2: you know, like pieces are just so pretty. These are 523 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 2: just these big beautiful steel cylinders with like a very modernist, 524 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 2: brutalist kind of handle coming off of it, and oh man, 525 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 2: just a just a nice object. 526 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: It is again kind of like the screw cap. You know. 527 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: Takes some time to admire the French press in your life, 528 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,240 Speaker 1: or the local part in your lives. They look cool. 529 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 1: A lot of innovation went into it. But I this 530 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 1: is good to know because I told my story of 531 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 1: the French press exploding on me and it was a 532 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: glass French press, So now I know other options. Yeah. 533 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and safety is always at the top of our 534 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:49,280 Speaker 2: top of our list. We are both slightly clumsy, accident 535 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 2: prone human people. 536 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: So good good safety tip. Yes, always appreciated. 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