1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,279 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:14,239 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio Happy Friday. I'm Traycabe Wilson and 3 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: I'm Holly Frying. We spent all this week talking about 4 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: Ernest Shackleton going to Antarctica and the endurance which has 5 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: recently been discovered at the bottom of the ocean Antarctica. 6 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: We both have various feelings. There are multiple leadership books 7 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: that are like examples from Ernest Shackleton, So I'm gonna 8 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: number one be clear, I've never read any of these books, 9 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,599 Speaker 1: but I can imagine what they are like because a 10 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,279 Speaker 1: lot of the stuff that he did fits into sort 11 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: of the general umbrella of trying to have good leadership, 12 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: like trying to treat your team fairly, trying to keep 13 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: people's morale up, changing your mind mind when there's new information, uh, 14 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: and also trying to make sure that none of them died. 15 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 1: Like all of that. Sure, But then there's also another 16 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: part of good leadership is communicating with people when your 17 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: plans change, like, for example, telling them it's gonna be 18 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: another entire year before you take your trek across the 19 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 1: entirety of Antarctica, like if he had found a way 20 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: to send some word about that before leaving South Sturgil Island. 21 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 1: It's possible that the Rossy party would have had a 22 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: much better time of things than possibly not had lost 23 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: three men. Yes, I have so many feelings about this, 24 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 1: and as I was telling you, they're hard to really 25 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: communicate because they involve a lot of swearing, Like I 26 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: don't understand any of this. I mean I understand what happened, 27 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: but like I don't see the impetus for it, Like 28 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: what was there to gain sure from crossing all of 29 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: Antarctica other than to say I crossed all of Antarctica? 30 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: I mean that was the drive of your ego endangered 31 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 1: fifty plus people. Well, and there's also I mean there 32 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: was there was scientific work going on, and a number 33 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: of books about this whole period have noted like, yes, 34 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: there were actual important scientific discoveries happening on these expeditions, 35 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: but a big part of it was really trying to 36 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: be first to do something. Am I remembering rightly that 37 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: you were the one who researched our episodes about summoning 38 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: Mount Everest for the first time, Because we have similar 39 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: feelings about that, I think, like, yeah, the most cynical 40 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: way to look at this whole thing is that a 41 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 1: bunch of guys made a big, big problem for themselves 42 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: and then left all kinds of litter behind on Antarctica 43 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: right well, And I mean there I have many many 44 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: thoughts about it, Like I understand to some degree I 45 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: don't have of it, but I see how other people 46 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: have like that drive to explore, and how there have 47 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 1: certainly been instances where that has led to the betterment 48 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: of humans in some way or another, but so often 49 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: it's just not like and so that's it's hard for me. 50 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, why don't why don't you um do something 51 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: else with your time? And then there's the psychology of 52 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: it gets real fascinating for me before we even get 53 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: into like this mess of like crossing the entire continent. 54 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: We didn't mention it any episode, but that note that 55 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: Scott wrote about Shackleton that it's not he was. He 56 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: did very well in his job. It's just the illness 57 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: really sounds like he's calling Shackleton a woos kind of 58 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:53,119 Speaker 1: like he doesn't have the constitution for this kind of work. 59 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: I'm a real man, I can handle it. Like there's 60 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: a lot of that going on aside from that, as 61 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: we get into the discussions of morale. It's one of 62 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: the things where you were pointing out like Shackleton writing 63 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: about his men and being like, why aren't they being 64 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: more right? But the thing that his brain was also 65 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: scrambled by that point, so like, to him, the way 66 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: you manage a horrible situation in that way when he 67 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: has lost the clarity of his lens is like, everyone 68 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: just needs to do better, and like, I envision it 69 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: because I have had that moment where I'm just like 70 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: white knuckling and like, everybody, just do your very best, 71 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: it's gonna be okay, and really like they don't need that. 72 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: That's not helping um. And simultaneously, I can't fault any 73 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: of those dudes for being like well, and I have 74 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: thought about, like, uh, we've talked before. The two of 75 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: us have been sheltered by a lot from a lot 76 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: of the worst parts of the pandemic, and yet still 77 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: it has been really hard, and there have been moments 78 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 1: when my pretty generally comfortable, privileged life where I've been like, man, 79 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 1: I cannot deal with this. And so the idea that 80 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 1: these guys can have spent months and months and months 81 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: and months trapped on the ice and then spent four 82 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: days in just terrible conditions trying to make the sea crossing. 83 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: I also, when I got there, would just want to 84 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: lie around. Um, I can't handle if a person tells 85 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: too many puns and I want to stab them in 86 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: the eye. So like I would have killed all of 87 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 1: my comrades in this situation. Yeah, I just can't. I 88 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: can't imagine how horrible it is, especially when you consider right, 89 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: obviously it's a completely different world and they're not accustomed 90 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: to what we have. But like here, the twenty eight 91 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: people you are spending the next unreal period of time 92 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: with and you have a no contact with the outside world, 93 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: they are your world. That's it the end. Like, no, 94 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: I can you imagine if we and twenty six of 95 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: our coworkers all had to do something together for a 96 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: year and a half with no one else to talk 97 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: to you or learn from, like no and no sunlight 98 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: for multiple no shade to anyone involved at that point. 99 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: It's just not something that most people would be capable of. Yeah. Yeah, 100 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: I remember one time some years ago being at a 101 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: science museum and the IMAX feature that day was one 102 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: of the films about like one of the really deadly 103 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: seasons on Everest, and I think they were talking about 104 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: how a lot of people, when they're trying to climb 105 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 1: Everest get this cough that's really bad, that can like 106 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: they can break their own ribs coughing. And I was like, oh, 107 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: never ever trying this myself, like, totally not for me. 108 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: Don't understand the drive that would lead people to do this, 109 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: And like, to some extent, I have the same feeling 110 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: about some of these folks because like when he having 111 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: had the hole in during situation happened, uh, then trying 112 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: to go to Antarctica again, and seven of the I 113 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: think eighteen people were people who had been on the endurance. 114 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: I was like, really, yeah, I mean I think you're 115 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: there must be something in your nature that's just cut 116 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: out for it and driven to it. Yeah, I don't 117 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: understand it. I mean I had a close friend um 118 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: in high school who went to Antarctica for some science stuff, 119 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: like you know, while I was in college. And he 120 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: really enjoyed it, but he was also on a very 121 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: well established pretty like you know, but even so and 122 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: us writing letters back and forth and stuff. I mean, 123 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: he talked about how isolating and strange it was, and 124 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: he was an introvert, but he still like had that 125 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: thing of like, oh, I couldn't. There are people that 126 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: are there years and I'm like, and that's a person 127 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: who doesn't particularly need to socialize a lot and has 128 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: you know, much more communication with the outside world than 129 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: any of these people had. So I really can't imagine 130 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: the psychological profile. Yeah, I'm also like, I'm not at 131 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: all judging the people who spend their lives doing work 132 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: at a research station in Antarctica, but I will judge, 133 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: like the the inexperienced people who were, like, I'm going 134 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: to pay twenty thou dollars to go on this tour 135 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: that's gonna put myself and everyone with me at risk 136 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: because I don't know what I'm doing. Yeah, I don't. 137 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't understand it. I want to empathize 138 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: with those kinds of impulses, but they're so alien to I. 139 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: Just you know, anyway, I'm sure many of the things 140 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: I do are completely alien to other people. But oh, 141 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: so much danger and so much like harrowing misery, right, Like, 142 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: just no, boy, no, I don't enjoy being cold, So 143 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: I don't hate that. I hate it so much. That's 144 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 1: a big part of it. I also, every once in 145 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:10,719 Speaker 1: a while I'll sort of think, hey, what if one 146 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: day I did a through hike of the Appalachian Trail. 147 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: But then I'll also be like, when you went for 148 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: a walk yesterday, you made your decision of where to 149 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: go by not having to walk up the extremely mild hill, right, 150 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: I mean I think about this when we're talking about 151 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:34,119 Speaker 1: these portions where they're having to go on foot relaying 152 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 1: supplies back and forth, And I think about like, just 153 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: as a comparative, right, the most physically difficult thing I've 154 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: ever done was run a marathon, yeah, which I did 155 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: the day after I ran a half, which is foolish, 156 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: but like even so, also like the most easy paced 157 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 1: version you could. I didn't like hard run that, as 158 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: you know. And you ran the half marathon with me 159 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: when we were there. That was ten years ago. By 160 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: the way, if you just break your brain, Um, that 161 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 1: was plenty hard for me, and I would never want 162 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: to do it again. So imagining that day after day 163 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: after day carrying pounds of equipment and supplies, Yeah, no, 164 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: I do not wonder that he died in his forties. Yeah, Well, 165 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: and there's also the part where none of the food 166 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: that they were eating right, their nutrition is not on point. Yeah, 167 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: Like I I thought about getting in some more detail 168 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: about this in the episode, and I didn't. But like 169 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: a lot of the stuff that they were eating was like, 170 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: this is dried beef mixed with tallow that you would 171 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: maybe melt with some broth, and like, as as the 172 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: animals died, they were eating the animals food and I'll 173 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: sounds miserable to me. And then everyone got dysentery, and 174 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: like having frostbite and dysentery at the same time. That 175 00:10:53,600 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: sounds awful. So many things not for me. No, no, oh, nay. 176 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: I would like to stay in a pretty hotel where 177 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: someone will bring me bacon in the morning to my room. 178 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: That sounds amazing. I don't need to be applauded. It's cool. 179 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: I would like to be comfy. Wouldn't that be funny? Though? 180 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: Holly stayed for a week at a fabulous hotel. She's amazing. 181 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: Can you believe what she's achieved? The first person ever 182 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: to spend a whole week at this hotel? That would 183 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 1: be hilarious, but it would Yeah, no, um, I don't 184 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: I know I sound so angry at these people through history, 185 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: and I just I so don't. It's the the unperiling 186 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: of so many other people. Yeah, that makes me so 187 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: frustrated because I don't. Again, I feel like there's because 188 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: I want it. It's not really a valid reason. Yeah, 189 00:11:54,280 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: so complicated bend, frustrated feelings about much of this. I 190 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: think a lot of those supply depots just still there. 191 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: Various stuff scattered across Antarctica still there as far as 192 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: I know. Maybe at some point there will be some 193 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: kind of hopefully better planned and equipped and more more 194 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: current medicine and mental health technology's going into that, if 195 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: that were a thing to happen. And there's lots of 196 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: photos from the shipwreck online, the various news reporting folks 197 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: want to go look at it. So anyway, that was 198 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: those ever looked back at Shackleton. Uh, And happy Friday again, everybody. 199 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: If you are in Antarctica right now, I hope it's 200 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: going well. It's winter, it's probably really cold and Antarctica 201 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 1: right now, as as spring is starting to very tentatively 202 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: arrive here in master we're we have beautiful spring right now. Yeah, 203 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: you're you're well into it. We had to have our 204 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: deck redone because our are one that was original to 205 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: the house was like twenty four years old and was 206 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: really getting a little precarious, and so we had our 207 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: deck redone over the winter. And so now like I 208 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: can actually go out there in the morning, and I 209 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: have put my new rose bushes which I go out 210 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: and treat to grow each day. And um, you know, 211 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 1: I started my compost my new composting been out there, 212 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: and like I have, I feel more spring has sprung 213 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: than I have in many years because outdoor space that 214 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: I can visit in the morning with my coffee, and 215 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: so I'm very excited for spring this year. Yeah, we're 216 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: getting things just starting to bud out here. So happy 217 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: spring if it's spring for you. If it's a not 218 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: spring for you, I hope the winner is not going 219 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 1: to be too rough. 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