1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: House Democrats wrap up their case against the president. The 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: President's arguments will begin tomorrow, and we all march for 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: life on the forty seventh anniversary of Roe v. Wade. 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: And that sounds like it's two very different stories. Actually 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: there's a key connection between the two. We will get 6 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: into all of that. This is Verdict with Ted Cruz. 7 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: Welcome back. I'm Michael Knowles, and I actually should have 8 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: been more specific. What I meant to say was, this 9 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: is Verdict with Ted Cruz, the third biggest podcast on 10 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: the charts right now. Congratulations, senator, Well back at you 11 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: we are. We are number three on the charts of 12 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: all podcasts and number one in news. We are beating 13 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: the New York Times. I'm sorry, could you say that again? Oh? 14 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: Did you? Maybe? Perhaps you couldn't couldn't hear me? I 15 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: just wanted to say, we're beating the New York Times. 16 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: Well that that is a wonderful thing in a testament 17 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: to all the good people are listening. Man, It sounds 18 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: like birds chirping sort of in the studio. But we 19 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: have a lot to get to today. We have the 20 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 1: Democrats wrapping up their arguments. We've got the Trump team 21 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: is going to begin tomorrow, and in the fifteen minutes 22 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: that you got free today you ended up marching for 23 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: life out on the national mall. All true. And it's 24 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: ten forty five, so we're getting started tonight earlier than 25 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: we have any day this week. This is a very 26 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: early night, so let's not squander the time. How do 27 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: you think the Democrats did in their closing arguments? Well, 28 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: I think all hundred senators are grateful that the twenty 29 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: four hour marathon is over. I think it's an interesting 30 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: decision of the house managers to consume practically every minute 31 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: of those twenty four hours. Listen, Adam Schiff gave the clothes, 32 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: and there were moments of it that were powerful. I mean, 33 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: he is an effective trial lawyer, is a talented trial lawyer. 34 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: He can be an effective orator. I think we saw 35 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: throughout the opening arguments the house managers used multimedia quite effectively. 36 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: So there were moments that they drove in with different 37 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: video clips that that worked and it broke up the 38 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: kind of long arguments and it did it did manage 39 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: to pull people's attention well. And that's something you're seeing, 40 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: by the way, in trial courts much more often now. Videos. 41 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's effective. Trial lawyers know how to 42 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 1: do that, and we saw that on display. I also 43 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: think shifted a good job. He had a big chunk 44 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: of his closing that was trying to preempt the president's arguments. 45 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: And it's because of the structure of it. House managers 46 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: have twenty four hours and the president has twenty four hours, 47 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: and there's not a rebuttal. So he knew they're getting 48 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: ready to start, and so he went through dozens of 49 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: potential arguments that they will almost surely make, and he 50 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: tried to give responses to it. What was he preempting, 51 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: I mean, what were the big arguments that he expects 52 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: from I mean he went through whether their process, arguments, 53 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: whether I mean, he went through a whole host But 54 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: you actually put your finger on a major failing I 55 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 1: think he had, which is he didn't shine a lantern 56 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: on his biggest problem. So he briefly noted, well, the 57 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: house managers might suggest Joe Biden's corrupt, but there's no 58 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: evidence of that. And that's all he said. He's setting 59 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: himself up. It's it's the biggest weakness of their entire 60 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: case is that they have built their case on the 61 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: proposition there is zero evidence, none, whatsoever, of any corruption 62 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: concerning Joe Biden, concerning his son Hunter Biden, concerning barism, 63 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: the Ukrainian Natural Gas Company was paying Hunter Biden a 64 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: million bucks a year. That's a straw map, because yesterday 65 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: that the House Democrats in making their case, they kept saying, 66 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with Barize mother, there's nothing wrong with 67 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: the Bidens. There's nothing to see here, folks. And because 68 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: they kept talking about it, it actually brings that to 69 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: the forefront, right, And then today in their closing arguments 70 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: they failed to address him. They just dismissed it. And 71 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: it's it's it's like leading with your jaw um that 72 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: that they're setting up to just get get get it 73 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: knocked knocked crazy. Look, I'll say Schiff had some very 74 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: good moments, but he also tends to get self righteous 75 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: and and and so he'll be he'll be making an 76 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: argument that's effective, that's real, and then he suddenly starts 77 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: lecturing you. And I think the moment where that was 78 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: most acute is when he cited this CBS story and 79 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: said Trump was threatening if any Republican voted against him, 80 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: to have their head on a Pike, and I got 81 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: to tell you that pissed Republican senators off. I heard 82 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: probably a half dozen senators surround me like openly, like 83 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: gasp and and and like express anger. And that's a 84 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: great argument if you're talking to a you know, a 85 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: bunch of you know, left wing activists at a California 86 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: rally and Shift's base. But it ain't a good argument 87 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: if you're trying to get some Republican votes, right, if 88 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 1: you're actually trying to persuade the few Republicans who maybe 89 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: you could persuade, not a good way to do it. 90 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: You bring up the reaction among the Republican senators today. 91 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: Have you wandering around the holes of the Senate heard 92 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: any gossip from the Democratic side. I mean, what is 93 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: the reaction, if anything, at all to how they're doing well? 94 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: It was interesting one of the Democratic senators was talking 95 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: to a reporter walking out, and the reporter asked, what 96 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: do you think of the closing and the head on 97 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: the pikeline and the comment from the Democratic senators? Look, 98 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: every argument has a discordant note or too. I mean 99 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 1: it may not have come across on TV, but he 100 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: was almost booed for saying that right. I mean, Republican 101 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: senators were offended by it. But in many ways, his 102 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,679 Speaker 1: audience for that was not the hundred people in the room. 103 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 1: It was TV that have to render a verdict. It 104 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: was TV. And I'll tell you a very interesting observation. 105 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: So why did they fill twenty four hours? Why did 106 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: they repeat the same arguments over and over and over again, 107 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: Because for most of the argument they weren't talking to 108 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: the hundred senators that will vote on impeachment. They were 109 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: talking to three hundred and thirty million Americans. And you know, 110 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: one of the fascinating things that several senators noticed, if 111 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: you look at their order of speaking, it followed prime 112 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: time depending on where the house manager was from. In 113 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 1: other words, they started off with the East coast house managers. 114 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: They then moved to the central So you looked at, 115 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: you know, the congressman from Colorado. They'd put them on 116 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 1: in primetime in Colorado, and it would always close with 117 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: the West coast, and they were they were very deliberately. 118 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: More than a couple of people observed that this was 119 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: at least more than a little bit about about Adam 120 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: Schiff launching either his governor candidacy or his Senate candidacy. 121 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: And look, this stuff I'm sure plays very well in 122 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: a California Democratic prime. So that to me raises the 123 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 1: question have the House Democrats give up on actually persuading 124 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: the senators? I mean, are they are they now tuning 125 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: out the senators and just playing this to TV to 126 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: launch their own political careers. So yes, and no, ninety 127 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: percent plus was launching their political careers, was energizing their base, 128 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: was speaking to the angry mob. There was a ten 129 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: percent in the closing where Schiff was trying to throw 130 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: a hail Mary. Look, he knows that they don't have 131 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: the votes, he knows that they haven't proven their case. 132 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,239 Speaker 1: But their hope now as they want more witnesses because 133 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: they want to go in a fishing expedition, right, and 134 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: so you know, for example, he had some actually pretty 135 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: moving oratory about moral courage and standing up and how 136 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: it's harder to stand against your party, and he said, 137 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: you risk being called. You risk people saying he's a 138 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: Democrat in name only or she's a Republican in name only. 139 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: I don't think the choice of pronoun was accidental. No, 140 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: he might be referring specifically to some senators well, and 141 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: it was now I will confess. As I was walking out, 142 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: there was a group of reporters and I said to him, 143 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: I said, wow, shifts call for moral courage to stand 144 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: up against your party was powerful, and I really wonder 145 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: how many Democrats are going to do that and vote 146 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: to a quit the president. And of course the reporters 147 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: look at you like no, no, no no, no. Moral courage 148 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: is always Republicans abandoning of course their party. Of course, 149 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: never Democrats doing it. Now, before we move on from 150 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: their arguments, I do want to be clear. They spent 151 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: most of the time talking about the first article of impeachment, 152 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: which was abuse of power, and we've talked about that 153 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: now in the last couple of episodes. The argument that 154 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: Trump engaged in a quid pro quo and he withheld 155 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: the military aid from Ukraine in exchange for Ukraine investigating 156 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: his political rival Joe Biden, even though he didn't end 157 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: up with withholding the aid and they didn't end up 158 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: investigating Joe Biden. We talked about that on previous episode. 159 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:04,719 Speaker 1: The second article of impeachment is called obstruction of Congress. 160 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: Half the reason I voted for the president is so 161 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: that he would obstruct Congress. What does that even mean? 162 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: How do you obstruct Congress? Look, they're basing it on 163 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: a refusal to allow witnesses to testify, defying subpoenas, and 164 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: refusing to produce documents. And you know, look, I will 165 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: say where the Democrats were effective in making this case 166 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: is the Trump administration didn't hand over documents from any 167 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 1: of the cabinet agencies in response to subpoenas. I got 168 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: to say, most of the Republican senators, I think that 169 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 1: was pretty dumb that the administration would have been better 170 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: off complying, producing some documents in response, and preserving the 171 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: fights for the things that really matter. And part of 172 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: the obstruction charge that the Democrats waged against the President 173 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: is that he wouldn't allow certain people who worked for him, 174 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: such as John Bolton, the National Security Advisor, to testify. 175 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: Are you saying should should they have testified? Well, and 176 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: that's where this argument collapses, and it's why the Democrats 177 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: are not going to prevail on it, because, look, front 178 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: and center, John Bolton is the most notable example. They're like, 179 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: we need John Bolton's testimony. Well, we talked about earlier 180 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: this week in one of these podcasts how John Bolton 181 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: did something something very clever. He went to a federal 182 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: district court in DC and he went before the court 183 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: and he said, look, I've got two conflicting demands on me. 184 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: The House is asking me to testify, and the President 185 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: is instructing me not to citing executive privilege. And he said, 186 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: which one do I comply with? And John Bolton said, Judge, 187 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: I'll do whatever you tell me. Right. The House Democrat's 188 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: response was fascinating. They just said never mind. They actually 189 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: informed the court we're not going to subpoena John Bolton 190 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: and we don't need his testimony. So the fact that 191 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: John Bolton does not end up testifying during the House 192 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:07,439 Speaker 1: impeachment investigation is on the House Democrats. And in fact, 193 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: Bolton's lawyer said, if they withdraw the subpoena, the choice 194 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: for John Bolton not to testify is not John Bolton's, 195 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: it's the House Democrats. Why is that? I mean, why 196 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: would the House withdraw their their pull to get them 197 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 1: to testify, because I think they were in hurry. They 198 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: did this whole thing, and they just wanted them forty 199 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: some odd days. They were moving rocket fast, you know. 200 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: Part of it. I think there are a number of us. 201 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: I mean, we were speculating the other night. Why did 202 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: they not drag this out and delay it more? I 203 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: think part of it is that Nancy Pelosi at least 204 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: thinks this is a political allusion. Tachment is hurting the Democrats' 205 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: chances in twenty twenties, so I think she wanted to 206 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: get this over with now. House managers have different interests. 207 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: I think they're enjoying the national chef has his eyes 208 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: on other offices. You know, I will confess I did 209 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: ask in the Republican cloak room. I said, hey, what 210 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: do y'all think of us having emotion? To give him 211 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: another twenty four hours to keep talking? Just let everyone 212 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: else's numbers go up. So, all right, the arguments are over. 213 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: I do want to move on to the March for Life. Yeah. 214 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: Before we do that, though, if you had to give 215 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: the Democrats a grade, They've made their arguments. You've argued 216 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: many high profile cases. How did they do on presentation 217 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: and style, I'd say an A minus that they actually did. 218 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: This was a talented group presenting okay on substance a D. Yeah, 219 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: they sounded good and they have little snippets, but but 220 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: they also were very selective in terms of what they cited. 221 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: I expect to see I expect to see the president's 222 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: lawyers come back hard. I expect to see the president's lawyers, 223 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: in particular to make a powerful case about the evidence 224 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:12,839 Speaker 1: of corruption that justified an investigation into Barisma and weather. 225 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: Vice President Joe Biden was part of that corruption, and 226 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: the House managers have now built their whole case on 227 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: the proposition. There's zero evidence that proposition is going to 228 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: be blown out of the water, So I guess we'll 229 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: see tomorrow. Tomorrow is going to be a really big 230 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: day because finally the Trump team gets to make their arguments. 231 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: I have to tell you, after going through all these 232 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: hours and hours of the Democrat case, I'm glad you 233 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: gave me this recommendation to have a nice, delicious glass 234 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: of milk, because it's really fortified. Well, there's nothing like 235 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: a cool glass of milk. There is a strange rule 236 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: in the Senate that goes around impeachment trials. You are 237 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: not allowed as a senator to bring in a cup 238 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: of coffee or a bottle of whiskey or a soft drink. 239 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: You are only allowed to drink two things in the 240 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: Senate during the impeachment trial, water and milk. You have 241 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: availed yourself of this, I noticed I have, and you look. 242 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: The Senate is a strange place. It is a plate 243 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: in many respects. It is governed by tradition. But the 244 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: reason you can drink milk all stems back to January 245 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: twenty fourth, nineteen sixty six, so before you and I 246 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: were born. Okay. Senator Everett Dirkson is on the Senate 247 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: floor and he raises a question with the presiding officer. 248 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: He asks, He says, is it in violation of the 249 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: Senate rules if the Senator from Illinois asks one of 250 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: the page boys to go to the restaurant and bring 251 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: him a glass of milk? If it is in violation 252 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: of the rules, I will forget it. And the presiding 253 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: officer answered, there is nothing in the rules to prohibit 254 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: the senator from requesting a glass of milk. When that 255 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: exchange happened, that formed a precedent. This is actually a 256 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: governing precedent. So when you're a newly elected senator, you 257 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: get in your desk, in the drawer of your desk, 258 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: you get something called Riddicks precedence. And it is printed 259 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: that Riddick's precedent stating going back to January twenty fourth, 260 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty six, Riddicks precedents. Just just to Clifford, this 261 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: is like the rules of the it is, but it's 262 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: just rulings from the chair become binding precedent because Everett 263 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: Dirkson wanted a glass of milk, and the presiding officers 264 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: said said, yes, now the two things you can drink 265 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: or water and milk. And so the first night of 266 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: the impeachment tribe and we went till two in the morning. 267 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: At midnight, I decided, you know what, I'm gonna try 268 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: this out. So I went to the cloakroom. I said, Hey, 269 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: does anyone here actually have milk? And they're like, no, 270 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: no one, no one ever orders it. I'm like, can 271 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: we track some down? And one of the guys in 272 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: the cloak room said, I'll find you some and it 273 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: ran out. So at midnight I just sat there quietly 274 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: sipping milk, and and it was you can't have coffee, 275 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: you can't. You can't have doctor pepper, you can't have caffeine, 276 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: but but you can enjoy glass of milk. Now, what 277 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: I want to know, Senator as a taxpayer myself, who 278 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: paid for that glass of milk that you had in 279 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: the Senate. I'll tell you the cloak room actually called 280 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: our office and said we need to charge the senator 281 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: from the glass of milk. We ain't paying for it. 282 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: And I laughed and said, look, I'm glad to hear 283 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: some fiscally conservative policies being implemented. And now I can't 284 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: necessarily promise. So look, if milk is allowed at the 285 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: end of the day, all you see is it's a 286 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: white liquid. So I can't promise you that there aren't 287 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: senators having white Russians, especially the longer this drags on. 288 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: And you know what, that would probably drive the conspiracy 289 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: theorist crazy, particularly Postmonarch. That's true. And you know we've 290 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: been coming here in the middle of the night now 291 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: all week, so there's really nothing to say that we 292 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: haven't had a couple of white Russians on the very 293 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: same drink. Now, speaking of your health and refreshing yourself today, 294 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: when you had a little bit of a break, you 295 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: decided to use that by going outside and actually marching 296 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: in the March for life. This was forty seven years 297 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: after Rover. This way the March for Life has gone 298 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: on every single year since then, and it's it's the 299 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: largest pro life gathering in the world. And you participated 300 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: in it today. It's something I've done a number of years. 301 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: Today it was going on right during the impeachment trial, 302 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: so when the march started, I couldn't participate, but but 303 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: around three o'clock we had a break that ended up 304 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: being about a half hour, and so I just went 305 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 1: outside and joined the marchers. It's a wonderful chance. I 306 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: spent a lot of the time. They're just thanking people 307 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: and and and thanking them for coming out. It's usually 308 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: a cold day when the march happens, and it's amazing 309 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: to see people from all over the country coming together 310 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,479 Speaker 1: and stand up for life. I got to say it. 311 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: It is always wonderful to participate, but it but it 312 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 1: was particularly affirming in the middle of all this craziness. 313 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: It was moving. I was there myself today. It was 314 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 1: very moving, and it actually got me thinking about the 315 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: relation between ROV. Wade and this impeachment trial because Rov. 316 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 1: Wade is decided in nineteen seventy three, and it was 317 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 1: when the Supreme Court discovered this previously undiscovered constitutional right 318 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: to abortion, as though the framers of our constitution secretly 319 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: invisible Ink wrote in a right to an abortion, you 320 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 1: know a lot more about the Constitution than I do. 321 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: It's a bogus argument, right, it was. The Court created 322 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: it in versus Wade. But the effect it had in 323 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: our country is it took one of the most deeply personal, 324 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: emotional public policy issues and the Supreme Court said, you, idiot, 325 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: voters don't get to decide this. We're deciding it for you, 326 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: and you have no say. Look. Prior to that, abortion 327 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: had been a question for the states to consider, and 328 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: people could debate it at state state issues. You could 329 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: get up and make arguments as to why. Look, you 330 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: and I both believe that life should be protected. But 331 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: as voters, we ought to be able to make those decisions. 332 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: And the Supreme Court said, nope, we're seizing this. And 333 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: I think that decision has produced a lot of the 334 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: bitterness the rank or the division. People are frustrated on 335 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: both sides of that aisle that they don't have a 336 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: natural outlet to debate the issues because it all becomes 337 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: the battle for the courts, because it's now nine elected 338 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: judges that decide everything. Because This was in twenty sixteen, 339 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: probably the top issue especially and by the way, I 340 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: think I said nine elected judges, Let me be very clear, 341 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 1: nine unelected unelected, because unelected is the whole problem, no 342 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: accountability whatsoever. In twenty sixteen, the big issue was the judges. 343 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: Who's going to replace Justice Scalia? Who? And you saw 344 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: on the left and the right, and especially for the left, 345 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: so much of that comes down to Roe v. Wait. 346 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 1: I mean, you see it in their campaign materials. Let 347 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: me make two observations from today. One, when I went 348 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: out to march in the protest, I encountered one anti 349 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: Trump protester, a woman who was angry, and part of 350 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: what she was screaming is why aren't you in the trial. 351 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,479 Speaker 1: It's like, well, we're on a break. Um, I just 352 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: had my glass of milk and I've got a lot 353 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: of energy. But it was a striking contrast one anti 354 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: Trump protesters and then tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands 355 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:22,719 Speaker 1: of protesters, or not protesters, but marks standing for life. 356 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: And the contrast was interesting and it actually made me think, 357 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 1: so a lot of us getting ready for the impeachment trial, 358 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: we're anticipating bitter, nasty, confrontations like we had during Brett 359 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: Kavanaugh and Brett Cavanaugh. The left had paid protesters who yelled, 360 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 1: who's stalked who? You know? One of them went to 361 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 1: Susan Collins's home, and I mean, I mean it was 362 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 1: nobody needs to be reminded because it was such a 363 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: national story. But Brett Cavanaugh was the second Trump pick 364 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: for the Supreme Courts. Wasn't even the first one, is 365 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: the second one. But but it underscores just how bitter 366 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: and divisive it is. I gotta tell you, the Capitol 367 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 1: police were anticipating the we may see some of the same, 368 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 1: you know, vigorously, you know, threatening, almost violent some of 369 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: those confrontations on with Kavanaugh. I mean you had people 370 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: getting in your face and screaming and bitter and angry. 371 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: And it's interesting that even though Trump inspires strong emotions, 372 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: the impeachment trial has seemed to be a snoozer from 373 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: that totally, totally, I mean, frankly, That's why I think, 374 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: I really think that's why this podcast is doing so 375 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 1: well is people are not going to watch ten hours 376 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: a day of impeachment. They want, I think they want 377 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 1: to come here. You've done an excellent job giving us 378 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: a behind the scenes view. Look that there were times 379 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: when it when it felt like like like listening to 380 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: a reading of Vogon poetry, which for the handful of 381 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,239 Speaker 1: Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy geeks who are listening to this, 382 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: you'll get what I'm saying, and everyone else is right 383 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 1: and don't worry about it. Yeah that I think you're 384 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: right now. And I just wonder if if a decision 385 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 1: like ro versus Wade had not stolen this very important 386 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: question from the legislature, from the citizens to decide for 387 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: themselves and taken it into the arms of nine unelected 388 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: lawyers wearing robes, if if maybe we wouldn't even see 389 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: an impeachment like this, if if the presidential elections were 390 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: not so incredibly tense and important. Well, and it's much 391 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: the same you look at impeachment and the House Democrats argument. 392 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: Their central argument is we can't trust the voters to 393 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: make this decision. That they believe the voters got it 394 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: wrong in twenty sixteen, and a lot of the Democrats, 395 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: when they're being candid, they're worried if Trump is on 396 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,239 Speaker 1: the ballot in twenty twenty, he'll win again. And so 397 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 1: they're trying to undo a democratic election, right, and and 398 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 1: that that is a persistent problem of politicians wanting to 399 00:22:52,920 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 1: force an agenda against the wishes of let the people. Well, 400 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: fortunately the Trump team is going to get the chance 401 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: tomorrow to make their arguments. I very much look forward 402 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: to that. We're going to be covering it again. Please, 403 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: thank you to everybody who has made this podcast the 404 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: number three biggest podcast in the world. It's really terrific. Please, 405 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: if you can subscribe, leave us a five star review 406 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: before we go. Lightning round on the mail bag. All 407 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: right from Tom. Will the whistleblower testify the impeachment trial? 408 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: Probably not. I think it's more likely than not that 409 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: next week will vote not to have additional witnesses. So 410 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 1: not only will we not get the so called whistleblower, 411 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: the guy who started this whole Ukraine business really started 412 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: the whole impeachment. But then we wouldn't get Hunter Biden, 413 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 1: we wouldn't go any fire were to order. Likely outcomes 414 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: next week will vote on whether or not additional witnesses 415 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: are needed beyond those have already testified. The House fifty 416 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: one senators will decide. I think it is more likely 417 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: than not fifty one senators will say we've heard enough, 418 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: we're ready to decide, let's move to judgment, and the 419 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 1: President gets acquitted. That may not happen. If all forty 420 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: seven Democrats will vote for more witnesses, maybe four Republicans 421 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 1: join them. If that happens, the second most likely outcome 422 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: I think is fifty one senators say yes, we want 423 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: more witnesses, the Democrats call John Bolton, the President calls 424 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden, and I think, and then it's a blood 425 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: best but but but I think that the second most 426 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: likely outcome is those two additional witnesses come in Bolton 427 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: and Biden, and only those two. I would say that's 428 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: the second most likely outcome. The third most likely outcome 429 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: is you end up having several witnesses. That that that 430 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: and I do think, and this is something I've been 431 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: pitching to other Republicans, is the principle of reciprocity, that 432 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 1: that we need to be fair, we need to give 433 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: both sides. We can't be like the House and have 434 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: it only on one side. And so I think I 435 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 1: feel quite confident that's where the Republican conference is, that 436 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: there's consensus, and I gotta say, by the way, yesterday 437 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: in the press there were a bunch of stories that 438 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,479 Speaker 1: said Chuck Schumer has rejected the deal of Bolton for Biden, 439 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 1: and I actually had today spent a while like laughing 440 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: with reporters, going, well, that's all fine and good. Of course, 441 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer doesn't want Hunter Biden to testify because the 442 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: Democrats are trying to cover that up, right, But he 443 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 1: doesn't have the votes if they go down the road 444 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 1: to John Bolton. I guarantee you the other side, right, 445 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: we're going to have the votes among Republicans to ensure 446 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 1: that both sides are treated fans, So that will come 447 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 1: down to four Republicans. Last question before we had added 448 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: here from Marty with very specific punctuation, when is it 449 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: our turn? Can't watch these clowns tomorrow morning ten am. 450 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,120 Speaker 1: Tomorrow morning ten am, and you will be right back 451 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 1: here in this studio to break it down for us. 452 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: I will now tomorrow is likely to be relatively short. 453 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: I think it'll probably go from about ten to one, 454 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 1: so we'll get you about three hours of opening arguments 455 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: from the president's team. So we'll record this tomorrow afternoon 456 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 1: and then will come back on Monday at one pm 457 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 1: and we'll get another probably extended stretch of argument from 458 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: the President's team. I'm looking forward to the first chance 459 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: the president's cantaign has had to present his defense and 460 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 1: to present. Look, what I've urged them to do is 461 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: present the substantive evidence of innocence. Don't just just talk 462 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: about process the whole time, but lay out the facts. 463 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: Because on the facts, I think the President, well, I 464 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: hope they take some messaging from this podcast, because I 465 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: think when you lay out the facts, the case is 466 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 1: pretty clear. And tomorrow we will see the President strike 467 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: back and it should be a lot of fun. Well, 468 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: you know the Barisma timeline that that we tweeted out 469 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: yesterday and talked about yesterday on the show, iserox that 470 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: and put it in the box of every single Republican senator, 471 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: so every one of them has that right. I sure 472 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: hope they read it, and I hope they listen to 473 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 1: the show, and I hope you all will listen to 474 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 1: the show. We will be back here tomorrow. I'm Michael Knowles. 475 00:26:51,400 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: This is Verdict with Ted Cruz. 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