Speaker 1: Hell, Hi Suck At Dating with Dean, Vanessa and Jared
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Speaker 1: gonna talk. I guess what's going on in our lives.
Speaker 1: But this past weekend was Mother's Day. Um and Jared,
Speaker 1: I know you have a mother. Vanessa, I know you
Speaker 1: have a mother. So how was your guys weekend? What'd
Speaker 1: you do to celebrate? I called my mother, I said
Speaker 1: Happy Mother's Day. We talked for quite a while. She
Speaker 1: had to work, but she lives in Rhode Island. I'm
Speaker 1: in California. I should have sent her flowers or chocolate
Speaker 1: through the mail. I really did not plan that properly.
Speaker 1: I'm a add son. Thank God you're not my son,
Speaker 1: because I would I called. We talked for a while.
Speaker 1: You know, it was a great I mean I talked
Speaker 1: to her on the phone almost every day, so I
Speaker 1: guess that's really not any different. Talk to your mom
Speaker 1: phone every day, not every day, probably every other so sweet,
Speaker 1: it's like a lot. No, I talked to my mom
Speaker 1: every either every second day or every day, and my
Speaker 1: sister every day. Yeah. It's also it's different because I'm
Speaker 1: accustomed to seeing them every few days and now I
Speaker 1: don't see them for months at a time. And A no,
Speaker 1: we don't FaceTime we I should FaceTime my actually facetimes
Speaker 1: her parents. Yeah, I know he was a three times
Speaker 1: a day. I know this is a really messed up
Speaker 1: thing to ask, But do you guys ever think about
Speaker 1: what your life is going to be like after you
Speaker 1: don't have them there anymore? Yeah? It scares out of me. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I used to have nightmares when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: like I didn't want anyone dying around me. I don't
Speaker 1: want to die. Um, And I only lost one grandparents.
Speaker 1: I still have three other grandparents with me. And it's yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's devastating because, like you know, like people get old,
Speaker 1: or even if they don't get old people get sick,
Speaker 1: and it's just it's hard. It's it's a hard concept
Speaker 1: to grasp. I mean, the thing is like, you guys
Speaker 1: are gonna have to deal with your parents deaths at
Speaker 1: some point, you know, No, I know, it's it scares me.
Speaker 1: It honestly is one of the reasons why I want
Speaker 1: to move back home, because, you know my parents. My
Speaker 1: dad's in his sixties, my mom's in her late fifties,
Speaker 1: and you start, you know, you just hear scary things
Speaker 1: like I know that, uh, you know, Ben's dad, this
Speaker 1: is public knowledge kind of went through a little bit
Speaker 1: of health crisis a couple of years ago when Ben
Speaker 1: was the Bachelor, and uh, it's just scary, you know,
Speaker 1: because it just happened so quickly, and I just, oh,
Speaker 1: I think about that constantly about my life after my parents.
Speaker 1: It's it's probably my biggest fear is losing them. And
Speaker 1: he doesn't send his mom flowers. I talked to my
Speaker 1: mom every other day. I should have said through flowers,
Speaker 1: I'm a Jericho. It's hard through the mail, and I was.
Speaker 1: It was. No, I'm not justifying, I'm justifying of that
Speaker 1: I'm a bad son. She knows you love her. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: and and you do something special on another day and
Speaker 1: it makes it more special because she's not going to
Speaker 1: expect it. No, exactly right. Every day is so, so, Vanessa,
Speaker 1: what did you do for Mother's Day this past weekends?
Speaker 1: So I was a really good daughter and I decided, no, actually,
Speaker 1: I want to do something non traditional because I get
Speaker 1: together with my family every Sunday, so it's, you know,
Speaker 1: always the same song and dance you said around my
Speaker 1: gam at this table. We have lunch and then we leave,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, I want to do something where
Speaker 1: they can gain from uh an experience, and so I
Speaker 1: brought in a woman who curates this two hour session.
Speaker 1: We started the day off with the meditation session, and
Speaker 1: then she led us into creating our own vision boards,
Speaker 1: which is basically thinking about things that you want to
Speaker 1: do for your future and envisioning this, you know, whether
Speaker 1: it is something you want to change in your work,
Speaker 1: love life, um uh, you know, with your health or whatever.
Speaker 1: So we all sat around and we're open about things
Speaker 1: that we wanted to change, and um we did this
Speaker 1: really really beautiful exercise that I want to do with
Speaker 1: you guys too when I'm back in l A we
Speaker 1: wrote ourselves a letter, and a year from now, this
Speaker 1: woman is going to mail us this letter, and hopefully
Speaker 1: all the things that I wrote down in this letter
Speaker 1: to myself I will have accomplished in the in this
Speaker 1: next year. You remember what you are you willing to
Speaker 1: share any of it with us? Or is it something
Speaker 1: It's nothing that big? But I think you know, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty much an open book, and I just want to
Speaker 1: keep this to myself. Surely that's fine, that's fair. Keep
Speaker 1: things some personal. Let me are they achieving? Like, are
Speaker 1: they very achievable? Or are they things that you would
Speaker 1: be very very proud of yourself if in a year
Speaker 1: you accomplished this. So it sounds so silly. One thing
Speaker 1: that I'm like super happy about. I don't know, Jared,
Speaker 1: if it's like you moving to l A was something
Speaker 1: that you've always wanted to do and that move is
Speaker 1: like the biggest, a really big accomplishment for me. No, Okay,
Speaker 1: well I don't know for me. Well, like for me,
Speaker 1: coming back to Montreal and living in the Old Port
Speaker 1: was something that I never thought I was ever going
Speaker 1: to be able to do. And the fact that I
Speaker 1: live in my favorite part of the city is something
Speaker 1: I'm really proud of. And so it's just like little
Speaker 1: things like that that we wake up and we take
Speaker 1: for granted. So it's really things that are I know
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be able to accomplish, but I feel like
Speaker 1: the things are the easiest we kind of let go
Speaker 1: of and we don't focus on those things. So I'm
Speaker 1: trying to hold myself accountable to some of the smaller
Speaker 1: things that I want to accomplished. When totally when you
Speaker 1: say we don't focus on them, you're saying like we
Speaker 1: don't give ourselves enough credit for the small things that
Speaker 1: we're doing for ourselves. Is that what you mean? Yeah, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: A little like those little, you know, moments of victory
Speaker 1: we feel that put things into perspective. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: you get that all the time. Like I, for example,
Speaker 1: I take my health for granted times knock on wood
Speaker 1: and you know, you you see people that are going
Speaker 1: through very difficult times with their health right now, and
Speaker 1: then you realize how lucky you are just to have that.
Speaker 1: Um but health, it is a big one. Oh, totally right.
Speaker 1: You know. Uh, but when you said writing a letter,
Speaker 1: it reminded me off. It's so stupid, But Uh, Dane
Speaker 1: Cook wrote himself a letter when he was a kid. Uh.
Speaker 1: It was this show called tour Gasm where he him
Speaker 1: in like three other comedians went on tour and they're
Speaker 1: all filmed it for thirty days. And he wrote a
Speaker 1: letter to himself as a kid when he was in
Speaker 1: high school about thirty year old Dane you know what
Speaker 1: he wanted to be when he wanted to accomplish. And
Speaker 1: he read it on the show live and it was
Speaker 1: very inspiring and emotional because he just talked about how
Speaker 1: he hopes that he's happy and he believes himself and
Speaker 1: he knows he's capable of great things. And this was
Speaker 1: when Dane Cook was at his height, and now he's
Speaker 1: gating a nineten year old model. I would say he's
Speaker 1: still at his height. I will I will say I
Speaker 1: have a good friend who strongly believes in the vision
Speaker 1: board thing, and she does it once a year, and
Speaker 1: she's strongly encouraged me to do the vision board. He
Speaker 1: should and whenever she says and I'm like, yeah, it
Speaker 1: sounds like a great at you. But I just never
Speaker 1: put it into practice and I could see how it
Speaker 1: could be a positive exercise. So that's cool that you
Speaker 1: did that, because that's basically what you You flipped through
Speaker 1: like a lot of magazines, you see things that you like,
Speaker 1: and then you just kind of plaster on the board
Speaker 1: and then hopefully you can kind of will let into
Speaker 1: existence at some point or yeah, it could be just
Speaker 1: like I I like, I cut out a picture of Tupperwars.
Speaker 1: My sisters like tupperwares, and I'm like, well, for me,
Speaker 1: when I see tup wears, I see like organization in
Speaker 1: the kitchen, you know, Like I want to be able
Speaker 1: to to create my own meals throughout the day. And
Speaker 1: I'll like, think of what am I cooking at six
Speaker 1: o'clock and I'm starving and I have to order something
Speaker 1: or find something to eat right now. Like I want
Speaker 1: to be able to be more organized when it when
Speaker 1: it comes to my cooking, Like just little things like
Speaker 1: that that I know would make my day a thousand
Speaker 1: times better, because yeah, I think there's a difference between
Speaker 1: people who um like there's like a fine line between
Speaker 1: people who are successful and others who aren't. And it's
Speaker 1: just a it's a matter of being perseverance and a
Speaker 1: matter of really dedicating yourself to what you believe in
Speaker 1: you could achieve, because we all could achieve all these
Speaker 1: little things and big things, but it's just a matter
Speaker 1: of following through with them totally. You hear stories about
Speaker 1: I hear stories all about musicians and actors and all
Speaker 1: these people that are super successful today where they twenty
Speaker 1: years ago it came to a point where either this
Speaker 1: was gonna work out for them or they were going
Speaker 1: to die, you know, Like there was I was listening
Speaker 1: to interview with a very famous musician. He was talking
Speaker 1: about how he is a very fine line between him
Speaker 1: doing what he's doing right now, which is writing songs
Speaker 1: and putting them out there and being very successful, and
Speaker 1: the other side of that line, which is him sleeping
Speaker 1: at his buddy's couch because he can't afford rent. And
Speaker 1: like he just got to that point because he realized
Speaker 1: that there was no other way. You know, it was
Speaker 1: either I'm gonna do this or I'm gonna die trying
Speaker 1: and persistance like that is very scary and a lot
Speaker 1: of people and I would lose myself in this statement,
Speaker 1: play it safe and you don't always get what you
Speaker 1: want me to do that, but it's a little bit
Speaker 1: more reassuring. I don't know, but I like the idea
Speaker 1: of the board because I like the idea of manifesting
Speaker 1: your dreams and putting them out because the only way
Speaker 1: that will ever happen is if you do put it
Speaker 1: out in the universe and try to work towards it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't really subscribe to the
Speaker 1: idea of holidays, but all holidays for the most part, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they're all kind of be yes, honestly, what
Speaker 1: about I think Christmas might be the worst of all
Speaker 1: of them, to be honest worst and Thanksgiving, uh well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess to celebrate the genocide of an indigenous culture.
Speaker 1: I guess right. That's that's pretty messed up. What are
Speaker 1: what are holidays? It's basically obviously have your Hallmark holidays,
Speaker 1: right like Valentine's Day, Halloween, those types of things where
Speaker 1: it's like literally all they did was create this holiday
Speaker 1: so they could either a sell us stuff, give us
Speaker 1: something to take our our freaking Roman signmaic another out on,
Speaker 1: or you have like religious holidays. And I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: get into and start bashing religion and religious holidays, but
Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff, a lot of this stuff
Speaker 1: is it's just if you, if you really like bring
Speaker 1: it back to the origins of it all. It's almost
Speaker 1: like it's the same concept of the Hallmark holidays, where
Speaker 1: we're just making things up. It's very commercialized. But my
Speaker 1: question is us are higher buddies Mark? What's wrong with
Speaker 1: making things up? Why not make things up where we
Speaker 1: could all put on costumes and go get candy. We
Speaker 1: can all profess our love for each other on February fourteens?
Speaker 1: What's wrong with making those things up? I get it.
Speaker 1: But when you have holidays like Mother's Day where they're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna one day a year to specifically celebrate Mother's
Speaker 1: That's fine, that's great that mothers can feel special and
Speaker 1: valued on this day. But also it's like us there
Speaker 1: other three sixt or four days to do that, things
Speaker 1: like why do you need um manufactured holiday to do that?
Speaker 1: But I completely agree, and I have the same feeling
Speaker 1: about Valentine's Day. It's like, why do you need Valentine's
Speaker 1: Day to do something special for your significant other? Um?
Speaker 1: And that's kind of what really gets to me. It's like,
Speaker 1: why do we need someone some I guess governing authority
Speaker 1: to tell us which days we should set aside to
Speaker 1: show value in our appreciation of the people that are
Speaker 1: in our lives. You know what I mean. Human beings
Speaker 1: need to kick in the ass. Sometimes it's just not
Speaker 1: I'm not saying yeah, I'm not saying it's right. The
Speaker 1: only one that I can really buy into our birthdays,
Speaker 1: and even then, like time is a construct, but I
Speaker 1: understand seasons are we're getting deep. I think I think
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful I totally agree with you. I never
Speaker 1: celebrated Valentine's Day. I don't believe in it. Um things
Speaker 1: like Mother's Day, like, yes, I think it's a lot
Speaker 1: of mothers like look forward to a day of like
Speaker 1: you know, surprises and being pampered. But I think, yes,
Speaker 1: like you said, we should be celebrating parents and our
Speaker 1: friends and every every day and maybe oh yes, sorry,
Speaker 1: go ahead, like things like Christmas and stuff. I like
Speaker 1: the idea and Thanksgiving. We don't like Canadians will celebrate
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving as heavily as Americans do, But I love the
Speaker 1: idea of just getting together right like it gives you
Speaker 1: an excuse to really get together, to cook together, laugh
Speaker 1: and just get out of your everyday life. And that's
Speaker 1: gonna be my point to maybe the reason I'm so
Speaker 1: jaded about holidays like Christmas, Thanksgiving, etcetera. Is because of
Speaker 1: my broken family dynamic. It's like, I don't really I
Speaker 1: don't have a family to get together for for holidays
Speaker 1: since I don't have a mom to call her Mother's
Speaker 1: Day like that, So it's just gonna be like these holidays.
Speaker 1: Bleep that f word. By the way, mark I don't
Speaker 1: have are keep that one in there, And I do
Speaker 1: understand that that actually makes a lot of sense to me.
Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense. That's how I've just
Speaker 1: adopted this like me against the world approach where it's
Speaker 1: like holidays, screw that, who cares? I like July fourth,
Speaker 1: that one's always fun. You just get together with your
Speaker 1: friends in the summer. It's America's birthday. So that's why
Speaker 1: I'm right. I'm not the biggest patriot in the world either,
Speaker 1: I would say, but it's it's just fun to come
Speaker 1: together as a group of friends. I like them as
Speaker 1: mile markers throughout the year. I just like it as
Speaker 1: just kind of you know, as you're driving to Vegas
Speaker 1: up there's the giant thermometer, there's the borders, but here's
Speaker 1: I like that. There's Valentine's Quick the drive from Los
Speaker 1: Angeles to Las Vegas. You're getting to Las Vegas, that's
Speaker 1: your destination. So you're saying that these mile markers are
Speaker 1: the mile markers to our death. Well, a part of
Speaker 1: the journey is the end. And thought of it that way.
Speaker 1: I was thinking more than the mile markers to the
Speaker 1: end of the year, the year that ultimately leads what
Speaker 1: to the end of the next year, to the end
Speaker 1: of the next year, which ultimately and at us dying
Speaker 1: at the same time, Like you said, you just can't
Speaker 1: prevent that from happening. So we're all on this journey
Speaker 1: of just trying to figure out what we want in
Speaker 1: life and should try to make that make this the
Speaker 1: most we possibly can, Right, But so why would do
Speaker 1: we need mile markers to tell us how much we're
Speaker 1: enjoying life as we go through which is ultimately leading
Speaker 1: up to our death, you know what I mean? And
Speaker 1: I've actually thought about this before in like in like
Speaker 1: maybe a lighter sense where a lot of my friends
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles kind of get they feel like their
Speaker 1: time is slipping away from them. And it's because, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, there aren't quite as many mile markers here
Speaker 1: because seasonally, like it's it's consistently warm. You go to Colorado,
Speaker 1: Rhode Island, um, even um Wisconsin. You have these these
Speaker 1: seasons where it's like, Okay, in winter six months ago,
Speaker 1: I was here, but now six months later in the summer,
Speaker 1: I'm here, and so I can still. But now in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, like we don't have that. You know, you
Speaker 1: lose track of time. Here it's eighty degrees basically, um,
Speaker 1: and so it's kind of like you look back six
Speaker 1: months and you're like, oh, I'm in the same spot
Speaker 1: I was six months ago. But in Wisconsin, rood in Colorado,
Speaker 1: it's like, no, six months ago you were freezing your
Speaker 1: ass off, and now you're here. I don't know that's
Speaker 1: really smart next time. Yeah, But I also think the
Speaker 1: mile markers that Mark was talking about is more to
Speaker 1: reminisce about pastimes rather than look forward to future older events.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense no? Well, which for example I
Speaker 1: guess yeah, yeah, Like for me personally, for Christmas, like
Speaker 1: I I love Christmas and New Year's Eve together, but
Speaker 1: I lump it in together because I like the idea
Speaker 1: of a new year because to me, it's simple. It's
Speaker 1: it's symbolic of kind of a fresh start, so to speak,
Speaker 1: and also screwed up last year. It's not screwed up,
Speaker 1: but it's just it's it is a mile marker because
Speaker 1: I think I understand that death will be coming at
Speaker 1: some point, and so it is nice to really think about, Wow.
Speaker 1: You know, here's the thing. Growing older is not a privilege,
Speaker 1: right that everybody has unfortunately, and so like we're lucky
Speaker 1: enough to have the all of these experiences. And so
Speaker 1: that's the way I kind of look at it that
Speaker 1: I'm grateful, like, Wow, another year, Holy crap. I guess
Speaker 1: my thing is I never know what I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: to Las Vegas, you know what I mean. So it's
Speaker 1: like I might as well enjoy it and not really
Speaker 1: pay attention to the mile markers along the way. I
Speaker 1: think the analogy for I have no idea what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna because you're living in a van driving around America.
Speaker 1: You have no idea when you're getting in Las Vekers literally,
Speaker 1: so kind of work. But also, like you said, I'm
Speaker 1: getting a gun again, a gun in a van? Who
Speaker 1: wants to date me? Um? What was? But I also
Speaker 1: think with the mile markers like you speaked about with
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Los Angelinos where they lose track of time
Speaker 1: because there isn't that much mile markers. I think for
Speaker 1: human beings, we like the idea of mile markers with
Speaker 1: holidays because it does help us keep track of time
Speaker 1: where it doesn't just slip by another year, like they
Speaker 1: provide comfort to us. I understand we're creatures that that,
Speaker 1: uh seek comfort at all times. Tony Robbins actually or no,
Speaker 1: what was it, Tony Robbins. Someone speaks a lot about
Speaker 1: are you a Tony Romans guy? I like kind of am.
Speaker 1: I don't subscribe to a lot of his like be
Speaker 1: your best self that type of stuff, but he's some
Speaker 1: good points. Yeah, no, I agree, Um, I take what
Speaker 1: he says with a grain of salt, but I still listen.
Speaker 1: But where he were were as a species we just
Speaker 1: seek comfort and everything that we do and am I
Speaker 1: actually had this conversation just recently. Uh. I don't necessarily
Speaker 1: like the idea of comfort because I feel like growth
Speaker 1: doesn't happen as much it can happen of course in comfort.
Speaker 1: But I think that when you're forcing yourself to be uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: like living in a van, you experience more growth, at
Speaker 1: least personally, right, Like, obviously we're all different points in
Speaker 1: our lives. Um, it's just kind of it's it's how
Speaker 1: I've experienced it. I I agree, But I think there's
Speaker 1: a gray area there. Oh, oh my god, the biggest
Speaker 1: gray area right like it didn't. So you you like
Speaker 1: putting yourself in in like experiences, yeah, absolutely, but yeah,
Speaker 1: like walking on the side of well, I know I
Speaker 1: saw your story in China when you were walking on
Speaker 1: the ledge of a mountain. I was walking on the
Speaker 1: figurative ledge of a mountain. But Last Bachelor and Paradise
Speaker 1: stated two girls, that's true, wild child, there's no stop
Speaker 1: in me. So that's that's my Sorry to get us
Speaker 1: at track there, that's my bad. No, that was a
Speaker 1: very interesting conversation. It makes me question how much comfort
Speaker 1: one needs in their own life to continue. I remember,
Speaker 1: I remember Tony Robbins brought it back to this one
Speaker 1: point that whenever you shower, you always shower in warm
Speaker 1: water because we're creatures of comfort and we like being comfortable.
Speaker 1: But when you start to shock your system and take
Speaker 1: cold showers and all this kind of stuff. We saw
Speaker 1: that in this documentary he jump in and how it
Speaker 1: can be like rejuvenating and all. This guy has all
Speaker 1: these like mental side of facts, all that kind of stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think he wakes up every morning and takes a
Speaker 1: cold shower. Yeah, and I can do sometimes. I used
Speaker 1: to do that a lot more, but but it sucks, right,
Speaker 1: Like you want to be warm in the shower. You
Speaker 1: want to get out? Yeah. Yeah, when I shower once
Speaker 1: a week, I want to make sure I'm getting that
Speaker 1: hot water. Um wow, once a week. Huh, you just
Speaker 1: get like three points in my buck. Um. Okay. We're
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Speaker 1: Brendan Watt on the line. Hey b thank you for
Speaker 1: having me. Brendon, where you calling from right now? I'm
Speaker 1: in l A. You're in l A. You're right down
Speaker 1: the street. Should be came in studio. I mean, as
Speaker 1: much as we love the sound of phone calls, you
Speaker 1: know in studio have been great. But that's okay. But Brendon,
Speaker 1: let's talk about you for a second. First, first of all,
Speaker 1: who are you? Who are you? And secondly, what are
Speaker 1: you doing in l A? Well, I mean, well who
Speaker 1: am I is? Uh? Well, I'm kind of loaded question obviously,
Speaker 1: but grew up in Australia and actually it was a tribesman,
Speaker 1: so most of my younger years and then um started,
Speaker 1: you know, doing some different things and facilitating some different
Speaker 1: classes and stuff, and now travel the world and help
Speaker 1: people out with different areas and changing their lives. And
Speaker 1: you are here in l A because you have a
Speaker 1: very exclusive to our class that you're hosting tomorrow night.
Speaker 1: Can you talk about that for a second? I do.
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Speaker 1: that we've gotten the book, but also looking at relationship
Speaker 1: from a different place so that people you can start
Speaker 1: getting a little bit more aware of what works for
Speaker 1: them in relationship. I mean for me, I learned how
Speaker 1: to do relationship from everybody around me. But the problem
Speaker 1: was that was everybody around me didn't know how to
Speaker 1: do relationships. So it's already not learning how to not
Speaker 1: really do relationship the way it works for me. Um. Well, Brenton,
Speaker 1: it's interesting because I don't have a lot of people
Speaker 1: know but and Moan and you are you have a
Speaker 1: working relationship now, but before that you were partners in
Speaker 1: a romantic relationship. I think it was what for a
Speaker 1: little bit over seven years. Yeah, we actually we wrote
Speaker 1: the book and then um, I think it was a
Speaker 1: couple of months before the book was due to get launched.
Speaker 1: We actually ended the relationship. But who does that? Who
Speaker 1: watched the book relationship and then ended? So how does
Speaker 1: someone get from being in a romantic relationship to then
Speaker 1: writing a book together and having a work relationship together.
Speaker 1: Because there's so many people that ask do you believe
Speaker 1: that you can be friends with an ex lover? Um?
Speaker 1: And for me, it takes about you know, it takes
Speaker 1: a while. It takes a couple of months too close
Speaker 1: to a year for those feelings to completely dissolve. So
Speaker 1: how did you guys get there? Well, good question, and
Speaker 1: this is one that comes up a look because most
Speaker 1: people what they do with my separated relationship is they
Speaker 1: try and find a separation in order to make themselves
Speaker 1: for ending the relationship. So they'll go, well, you did this,
Speaker 1: and they'll dig out things from years ago. We did
Speaker 1: this years ago. This makes me right in the breakup,
Speaker 1: rather than look at it and go okay. One of
Speaker 1: the things we talked about in this book, and one
Speaker 1: of the things we had in our relationship was Okay,
Speaker 1: did it gets to the day that it's not working,
Speaker 1: Let's end it, let's celebrate it, and let's move on.
Speaker 1: And that's what we really practiced with with us ending
Speaker 1: the relationship was Okay, the relationship is not working, can
Speaker 1: we still be friends? And because we work a lot
Speaker 1: together as well, it was we recognize that our friendship
Speaker 1: was still valuable. Mm hmm, Well, I guess the biggest question,
Speaker 1: especially for someone like me who gets a lot of
Speaker 1: anxiety when things aren't going well or not going as
Speaker 1: well as I would hope they would be going either
Speaker 1: like a month in two months, in a year. And
Speaker 1: how do you know when your relationship is really over. Well,
Speaker 1: you've got to be honest with yourself. And I think
Speaker 1: that's what a lot of us are really willing to
Speaker 1: be in relationship or out of relationship ship when we're
Speaker 1: in the relationship and you've got to look at from
Speaker 1: the place that okay, is this actually over? And we
Speaker 1: all I think that the biggest mistake that we make
Speaker 1: in our lives is we act like that we don't
Speaker 1: really have an idea what's true for us, Like we'll go, well,
Speaker 1: it could be over, but I'm not really sure but
Speaker 1: you actually do know when something is not working for
Speaker 1: you anymore. So I think he's just being on a
Speaker 1: switch yourself and looking at it and going, okay, is
Speaker 1: this gonna work anymore? And then I have a question.
Speaker 1: I have a question for you. So back to the
Speaker 1: topic before that one. Um, you mentioned that you and
Speaker 1: your former partner we're writing this book, but you broke
Speaker 1: up before it came out. But now you guys are
Speaker 1: work partners, right, So how does that work? If you
Speaker 1: were to find someone that you were interested in, is
Speaker 1: she involved in that process? And vice versa. Are you
Speaker 1: guys okay with seeing each other dating other people? Because
Speaker 1: that's got to be kind of awkward, right, Well, it
Speaker 1: can be, but once again, it's it's the way you
Speaker 1: really make it. I Mean, we have this idea that
Speaker 1: it's going to take a certain amount of time before
Speaker 1: you're over each other. But the thing is when we
Speaker 1: have those ideas, is that's how long it's going to type.
Speaker 1: One of the things that I've learned is your point
Speaker 1: of view create your reality. So if you've got the
Speaker 1: point of view that okay, it's gonna take me this long,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to be horrified when they get this
Speaker 1: together with somebody else, then it's gonna take you that long.
Speaker 1: And as soon as they get together with somebody else,
Speaker 1: she's going to be horrified. So we talk about it
Speaker 1: like we've looked at it and doing okay, Well, I'm
Speaker 1: obviously going to be with other people, and you're obviously
Speaker 1: going to be with other people, So let's talk about it.
Speaker 1: We've looked at it when okay, cool? So yeah, I
Speaker 1: respect it. I think as long as you take a
Speaker 1: mature approach to it, it can be tricky. But as
Speaker 1: long as you're open and communicative and transparent with everything,
Speaker 1: I guess that kind of helps avoid a lot of
Speaker 1: the issues. Brandon. You talk about asking if you're a
Speaker 1: heart tripper, a head tripper, or a crotch tripper, what
Speaker 1: are those? What are those three things and what does
Speaker 1: each one mean? I know you're gonna talk about the class,
Speaker 1: but give us a little brief synopsis and leave a
Speaker 1: tease so people have to go tomorrow night. Okay? Cool?
Speaker 1: So the head tripper that the three ways that you
Speaker 1: can identify yourself, but I mean they mean, they really
Speaker 1: have no irrelevance. I'm already calling it. Dean's a crotch tripper.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what it means, but Dean's it
Speaker 1: so to do out? Now we've got to figure you
Speaker 1: do out? Um, But I mean it's irrelevant, but it
Speaker 1: gives people a way of identifying, Okay, where am I
Speaker 1: functioning from here? So the head tripper is somebody who
Speaker 1: will be thinking all the time. There will be somebody
Speaker 1: who'll be thinking in a relationships. They'll be when are
Speaker 1: they going to call? Why haven't they called? How long?
Speaker 1: I can't go to your head tripper? That don't worry,
Speaker 1: I'm my head tripper. Two, it's time. Um. The heart
Speaker 1: tripper is someone who will be what does this mean?
Speaker 1: How meaningful is this? He only got me six roses?
Speaker 1: Twelve roses would have meant way more for the heart
Speaker 1: tripper of someone who functions a lot from meeting. And
Speaker 1: then the crotch tripper, somebody who's always looking to prove
Speaker 1: who they are based on their sexuality. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: so sexy, looked at me? This is how they come.
Speaker 1: I'm getting pointed at in studio. Apparently I'm the cross tripper. No,
Speaker 1: I feel like you're the complete opposite, Like, don't you
Speaker 1: don't want the attention, You're like, no, I'm not handsome.
Speaker 1: Well you can also, you know, you can also function
Speaker 1: from all three if that's what works for you. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm a head tripper and a hard tripper,
Speaker 1: Like I'm constantly thinking I want to know the meaning
Speaker 1: behind someone's actions. But I also I guess that's like
Speaker 1: hard and head right, like if they did something for me,
Speaker 1: why do they do it and what does it mean?
Speaker 1: Instead of just like appreciating it and like being in
Speaker 1: the moment. Well united thing with that is because I've
Speaker 1: done it, like I'll be I've had so many situations
Speaker 1: in my life where I'll head trip about it. I'll
Speaker 1: be thinking this is gonna happen, what if it happens,
Speaker 1: And I'll be running through all the scenarios in my head,
Speaker 1: and then I'll get to the get to the time
Speaker 1: when the things occurring and none of what I thought
Speaker 1: about Because so I was like, Okay, I just wasted
Speaker 1: a wake of my life thinking about how this is
Speaker 1: going to show up, and I didn't work that way
Speaker 1: at all. So what we do with these three things
Speaker 1: is we we give up so much of ourselves and
Speaker 1: we were not present with ourselves. So we're wasting all
Speaker 1: of this time in our lives in order to figure
Speaker 1: out what something is, how something's going to occur, rather
Speaker 1: than just go okay, it is what is When it
Speaker 1: shows up, I'll deal with it. Then, Brenda, do you
Speaker 1: believe in soulmates? No? What's your mind? Well? I started
Speaker 1: recognizing that the idea of a soul mate is the
Speaker 1: idea that there's one other person that's going to complete
Speaker 1: you in this world. So when you have the idea
Speaker 1: that one other person is going to complete you, you've
Speaker 1: already decided there's something missing. And this is what I
Speaker 1: see a lot of people do when they go into relationship,
Speaker 1: is they say, well, there's something in me missing that
Speaker 1: a relationship will fulfill. Once you go to that, you've
Speaker 1: already put the relationship under way too much pressure to
Speaker 1: have any freedom with it, because you're already looking for Okay,
Speaker 1: how does this person fill in my life? Rather than
Speaker 1: how can they add to it? How can they contribute
Speaker 1: to it? How much fun can we have? Mm hmm, Well,
Speaker 1: I like something that Simone had said about I guess
Speaker 1: that they you explore more into the in the book.
Speaker 1: You want to make sure you have someone that you're
Speaker 1: doing more than what you would be doing if you
Speaker 1: were alone. So you want to have a partner that
Speaker 1: helps you grow instead of demean or light right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: well it's actually twenty times more. Um. But it's that
Speaker 1: it's having someone and you lost. That's It's like when
Speaker 1: we think that when two of us get together, then
Speaker 1: we can create twice as much. But when you get
Speaker 1: into a relationship with somebody who actually is willing to
Speaker 1: contribute to their energy plus your energy contributing to one thing,
Speaker 1: credit is way more than two times. So it's having
Speaker 1: that personating loss to Actually, you know that when you
Speaker 1: when you're around someone, and usually most of us have
Speaker 1: someone in out lot, but when you're around me, just
Speaker 1: feel like more. I feel it. I feel like more
Speaker 1: of myself right now? What if we could have that
Speaker 1: in relationship. There's a there's a great quote from an
Speaker 1: Oscar winning movie, uh called Cool Runnings. Yes, I know,
Speaker 1: Cool Runnings. There's a there's a line that Herb says.
Speaker 1: He says, if you're not enough without it, you'll never
Speaker 1: be enough with it, And I think that kind of
Speaker 1: applies to the situation as well exactly. Um, And I
Speaker 1: heard that quote in that movie. I wrote it down.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's a great quote, and so it's
Speaker 1: it's refreshing to hear you kind of say something very
Speaker 1: very similar to that. Yeah, Brandon, before you go, I
Speaker 1: have a quick question. Do you watch Bachelor in Paradise, Australia. No,
Speaker 1: I don't. That's a shame. I was on it last year.
Speaker 1: It's the only reason I was asking. I've done my homework.
Speaker 1: I've looked to you guys up just as you've looked
Speaker 1: me up, so I know you're on it. I just
Speaker 1: haven't got a chance to watch get sometimes we're all
Speaker 1: on The Bachelor in America. But I made a quick
Speaker 1: stint on Bachelor in Paradise, Australia last year and it
Speaker 1: was funny. Lier this year, there's a couple that came
Speaker 1: up to me and they said you're Jared and I
Speaker 1: was like yeah, and they're like, oh, we watched Bachelor
Speaker 1: in Paradise, Australia. And it was the first time anybody
Speaker 1: recognized me from that show. And I felt pretty cool
Speaker 1: about it. Night a line. Yeah, I loved it, and
Speaker 1: I still haven't been No, unfortunately, what part of Australia
Speaker 1: from I'm from the Sunshine Coast, which is I don't
Speaker 1: know if you've heard of new stuff, but yeah, but
Speaker 1: it's neighbors. That's that's like the chocolate you can buy
Speaker 1: in grocery stories right and USA, the little chocolate packs.
Speaker 1: Maybe always goes back to chocolate for Jean. Well, Brandon,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for checking in with us. We
Speaker 1: really appreciate you coming on the podcast. UM and everybody listening.
Speaker 1: You guys can get his book Relationship, Are you sure
Speaker 1: you want one? So? The class or night at the
Speaker 1: Kingston Hotel UM in Hollywood, and you can find the
Speaker 1: details on my website, Brandon what dot com. Um, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be Irreverend, it's gonna be out rises, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be fun and Tom join, which sounds good to be there.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be there. I mean it sounds that you're
Speaker 1: saying I might stop by and say hi. It's cool.
Speaker 1: It's a two hour class. It's just it's right down
Speaker 1: the streets at the Everly Hollywood Kimpton Kipton Hotel, which
Speaker 1: is beautiful. I've been there a couple of times. It's
Speaker 1: a great hotel. Um. What times it start? Because I
Speaker 1: don't I didn't see a start time seven pm, and
Speaker 1: when we when we say tomorrow, Just to be clear,
Speaker 1: it's Tuesday May fourteen at seven pm. Be sure to
Speaker 1: check it out. Um, Brendan, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: calling in, Thanks for your time, best of luckily everything
Speaker 1: and hopefully we'll circle back with you soon. Oh, thank you?
Speaker 1: All right by do you know you jet? Leg? Um
Speaker 1: a little I'm a little tie tie. When'd you fly back?
Speaker 1: I got back yesterday around like noon? N issh? Wow?
Speaker 1: So how long were you in China? For? Just like
Speaker 1: seven or eight days? Quick little trip? How long is
Speaker 1: it again? It's like, um, it was two flights. The
Speaker 1: first one was fourteen hours, the next one was like
Speaker 1: two hours, but then I had a domestic flight. Um.
Speaker 1: Have you guys ever been in China? It's a pretty
Speaker 1: cool country. This wasn't just China. This was like rural
Speaker 1: China where people in like the main cities in China
Speaker 1: like Shanghai don't really speak English. But you go further
Speaker 1: inland into the rural areas, no one speaks English. So
Speaker 1: eight days I had one conversation the entire time with
Speaker 1: another English speaker. But it was kind of nice to
Speaker 1: be able to go and detach. So did you just
Speaker 1: navigate yourself around the country. International data is a very
Speaker 1: very key component to traveling internationally. Act well, I would imagine,
Speaker 1: especially for somebody who doesn't speak the language, It doesn't
Speaker 1: know anybody, it doesn't know the landscape. No, it was.
Speaker 1: I mean that's kind of what's great about it, though.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, I didn't really to talk to anyone. Um,
Speaker 1: I just kind of gotta wander around. The weather is
Speaker 1: really bad at first, but it cleared up. I was
Speaker 1: actually thinking about, like how I'm going to plan another
Speaker 1: trip to go back to China, like later in the
Speaker 1: year when the weather was nicer. But fortunately the forecast
Speaker 1: was wrong, and uh, probably the third or fourth day
Speaker 1: the sun started shining a little bit. So well, it's great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was fantastic, all right. We also have Brenton Devon
Speaker 1: coming up on the podcast, and they have an app
Speaker 1: called Happily, which includes date Box, which you guys may
Speaker 1: have heard of. That's the subscription box that sent to
Speaker 1: your door. It's like, uh, it's like games in a
Speaker 1: box and there's little snacks and it's meant to like
Speaker 1: bod on couples together. I think it's pretty cool, but
Speaker 1: that's coming up next. And on the phone, we have
Speaker 1: a guest. You might know one of his products called
Speaker 1: date Box, but they just launched a new app called Happily,
Speaker 1: which can plan your next day. Welcome to the podcast, Brett,
Speaker 1: call him I Jack Brett. How you doing, buddy out
Speaker 1: of Brett here, appreciate it. Glad to be here. Feeling good.
Speaker 1: Feeling good. So you have this brand new app that
Speaker 1: you guys just launched will you and your wife Devin,
Speaker 1: We're called Happily, which to me it looked like a
Speaker 1: date night planner, But why don't you describe it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we we just forgid we branded our company to Happily. Um,
Speaker 1: the app is launched. What the app is is it's
Speaker 1: part of the tool for a couple of years to
Speaker 1: plan day, night, finish city. And so what you do
Speaker 1: is you pop open the app and you answer. You're
Speaker 1: showing questions about you know, what's your interests are, and
Speaker 1: what you're in the moon to do, and what your
Speaker 1: budget is and how much time you have, and in
Speaker 1: the apple actually create recommended itineraries for you and kind
Speaker 1: of planned the whole date night for you. And um,
Speaker 1: you get discounts and different things along the way at
Speaker 1: your different thoughts, and there's conversation starters and custom playlists
Speaker 1: in the app and all sorts of stuff. So sometimes
Speaker 1: this fall that we're building a lay most on the
Speaker 1: website right now, and we're super excited about that app.
Speaker 1: It sounds like something something that's perfect for me because
Speaker 1: I am horrible, horrible, horrible at planning dates and events
Speaker 1: and yeah, you know vis here, and I think that's
Speaker 1: the biggest thing that we're trying to hit it. I
Speaker 1: think like whether you're dating or married or whatever stage
Speaker 1: is kind of relationship you're in. I think there's a
Speaker 1: thing where it's like we don't want to mess up
Speaker 1: the date, right, so like we we kind of default
Speaker 1: the same dinner in a movie and it's just like
Speaker 1: the same bar. It's not that exciting and it kind
Speaker 1: of get pregnant over time. So um, that specifically is
Speaker 1: just part of a way to hopefully help people, you know,
Speaker 1: find new and exciting things to do. And I can
Speaker 1: do a lot of meating with that amage of conversation
Speaker 1: and just the experiences to have together socle just to
Speaker 1: kind of get coupled out trying new things together. BROT
Speaker 1: would you say this is more towards, uh, somebody who's
Speaker 1: already in a relationship and trying to plan a special night,
Speaker 1: or is it targeted more towards singles trying to set
Speaker 1: up a first date. It's definitely more towards people who
Speaker 1: already have a day and are kind of more established
Speaker 1: in their relationships. So at least that's our story. Like
Speaker 1: my wife and I, you know, when we started this
Speaker 1: company really out of that specific for us film, which
Speaker 1: was you know, over time it just kind of became
Speaker 1: more roommates than stuff. Is like we didn't spend a
Speaker 1: whole lot together and in our lives scout busy and
Speaker 1: um so it really happily as a whole at the
Speaker 1: company has really are hard to making our own marriage
Speaker 1: to say, let's let's make this the priority, and let's
Speaker 1: spend time together and let's still I like together versus
Speaker 1: just you know, sort of be together by default. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, but even even in the first day scenario,
Speaker 1: like I think that so many people are scared to
Speaker 1: pick the wrong things for the first date experiences always
Speaker 1: as the morbil as a county, and I think if
Speaker 1: we could just expose like what those two people might
Speaker 1: be interested in doing, and especially for the guy, like
Speaker 1: then you don't have to just a fault to like
Speaker 1: going to drinks at the bar or going to there
Speaker 1: and kind of doing the same old thing. You can
Speaker 1: really like separate that experience between the two of you
Speaker 1: and feel like just the time to plant something fun
Speaker 1: and this is to be memorable, and like this is
Speaker 1: going to kick off our relationship if it turns into that,
Speaker 1: you know, in a in a different and unique way.
Speaker 1: Can you give us some examples about ideas that you
Speaker 1: guys have for dates on the app that are a
Speaker 1: little bit different. So the app is the app actually
Speaker 1: will pull in any location US city, So it really
Speaker 1: just depends. What the app does is currently get the
Speaker 1: sense for which things being doing and which things um
Speaker 1: that you're sort of building your profile around, and then
Speaker 1: start of similar areas and similar days and locations to
Speaker 1: those things, even throwing in the past that perience disciders.
Speaker 1: So it's really built um unique to the individually using
Speaker 1: the app. So there's all sorts of different things. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, if you range from from any number of
Speaker 1: different experiences in any given city, I have a suggestion.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously I'm sure you have a million of these,
Speaker 1: but I was going to go out and buy a
Speaker 1: pistol a gun uh, And I was like, yeah, great
Speaker 1: first date. I can really wish I had to take
Speaker 1: on a date with me because I want to take
Speaker 1: them to the shooting range. I feel like that would
Speaker 1: be a pretty awesome date. There's like, yeah, there's like
Speaker 1: there's always where you're like, like I thought, act at targets,
Speaker 1: which is really cool and kind of people have a
Speaker 1: whole lot of fun doing that. Like, just don't do
Speaker 1: every day that I think a memorable and and just
Speaker 1: even like lead a different conversation and and just make
Speaker 1: experience overall. Vanessa, how would you feel if somebody asked
Speaker 1: you on a first date to go to the gun rage?
Speaker 1: I would love it. I'm some Yes, I'm someone that
Speaker 1: I prefer experiences over like a fancy dinner or yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd rather do something more physical and really on the
Speaker 1: first date. Physical All right, Okay, let's stay stay it down.
Speaker 1: And it's not like that, but more like you know,
Speaker 1: instead of the traditionalists go out for drinks in the
Speaker 1: dinner and blah blah blah. I'm like, well, I'm a
Speaker 1: little bit picky when it comes to food. So I'd
Speaker 1: rather um spend my money on other things that then
Speaker 1: you know that I can be making at home. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think that's the key too, because you know,
Speaker 1: I think if we can the whole, the whole whole thing,
Speaker 1: and that is the FINESTO would like that, you know,
Speaker 1: there aren't going, how do we expose to the person
Speaker 1: that's boring to go and plan a date for the
Speaker 1: for him and Vanessa? How do we expose that that's
Speaker 1: something that she would like, so that that's an option
Speaker 1: for him to plan, right, And I think like that's
Speaker 1: worth and risk is so high and then if vanest
Speaker 1: that doesn't like something like that, that they feel horribly.
Speaker 1: But you know, if I'm going on a date with
Speaker 1: Vesta and I made that that was something she liked,
Speaker 1: I have a chance throwing and make a splash and
Speaker 1: make a first presses with something that she will really
Speaker 1: enjoy it and might like better than dinner. And so
Speaker 1: that some of the whole game is like how do
Speaker 1: we expose you know, what those things are and and
Speaker 1: help people with tools to plan and discover those things.
Speaker 1: And on the flip side of that, if if the
Speaker 1: personal connection isn't there, then on the other side, you
Speaker 1: have at least something enjoyable to be doing instead of
Speaker 1: just sitting across from the table of them eating food
Speaker 1: and you're miserable. At least you can be miserable, but
Speaker 1: you're doing something fun with them, you know what I mean. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I actually think that's the space that somebody like I
Speaker 1: didn't think the day It's like like a wife on
Speaker 1: the Experience app would be really cool. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you don't have fun with the first like doing
Speaker 1: something that you're interested in and like you're having a
Speaker 1: good time, oh totally. And then you guys also have
Speaker 1: the Date Box, which which is what you and Devon
Speaker 1: are known for, which is the monthly subscription that gets
Speaker 1: sent to your door, which is a great idea because
Speaker 1: I'm always trying to get Ashley to play some sort
Speaker 1: of board games with me, and she never wants to play.
Speaker 1: It's absurd. So I like the idea of date Box
Speaker 1: because then it's a it's a monthly box that we
Speaker 1: get that has not only you guys don't have just games,
Speaker 1: but it's like snacks and stuff that like couples can
Speaker 1: bond over, which is pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah, they bought
Speaker 1: the countiment alternatives to just like Netflix, you know, to
Speaker 1: fie deal. They then I'm not really you know the
Speaker 1: Devon and I in the contect time together. That's where
Speaker 1: it retreated for us was you know, how do we
Speaker 1: how do we find consistency in all time together and
Speaker 1: really help other couples do that about thirty years and
Speaker 1: we help opp topics, you know ste day Bus and
Speaker 1: you know that Daday. We just kind of realized that
Speaker 1: there's a lot of areas that couples on you know,
Speaker 1: help relationships the whole part. Kids start getting the way
Speaker 1: and ast and so you know, the effort to say
Speaker 1: want to be part of that journey and with couples
Speaker 1: and relationships are so much time you know, dating and
Speaker 1: finding the person that would have to do with it.
Speaker 1: And you know, from there, we want to help couples
Speaker 1: find a way to get creative and keep that sparks alive.
Speaker 1: We'll keep doing what you're doing. Brett. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for joining us. You guys can go download Happily
Speaker 1: right now if you want to plan your next date.
Speaker 1: And I also definitely check out your website because you
Speaker 1: guys can get the date Box subscriptions sent to your
Speaker 1: door every month. And then also Brenton Devin, you guys
Speaker 1: have a podcast podcast called Happily and everybody can listen
Speaker 1: to that wherever you listened to podcasts. Brent, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for joining us today. We really appreciate it. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: about the bat you can put in whoever you want.
Speaker 1: Fifteen people mentioned Dean Jared Vanessa. What do you think that?
Speaker 1: How do you think it breaks down? How many want
Speaker 1: to bang him, marry him, and kill him? Oh god,
Speaker 1: they probably want to bang him and marry him at
Speaker 1: the same time. No, I bet, I bet? I mean
Speaker 1: the most is definitely bang. I bet it goes bang
Speaker 1: kill Mary's third. I bet you it's killed by Auto
Speaker 1: Erotica Association. Yeah, all right. Eleven people wanted to bang Dean, Yes,
Speaker 1: we wanted to marry Dean, and one wanted to kill you.
Speaker 1: If you'd like to go out of that del further,
Speaker 1: Caroline has had enough of you, and I would like
Speaker 1: to send a personal message out to you, thank you
Speaker 1: for putting me out of my misery. I'll give you
Speaker 1: a Caroline post. Is it? Bang? Blake h married Bob
Speaker 1: Guiney's Kill. He was one of the original Bachelor O
Speaker 1: Bachelor's Kill or Robbie Hayes either one blood for for
Speaker 1: the We do have a Bachelor atte premiere tonight Monday,
Speaker 1: May thirteen. How are we feeling about this? You guys
Speaker 1: gonna watch? Yeah, I'm gonna watch course. I want to
Speaker 1: watch Hannah be are you How do you feel about
Speaker 1: the guys? I mean, I have no idea who they are.
Speaker 1: Have you not interviewed you interviews with the girls last No?
Speaker 1: We did? Uh? I did interviews with the girls last year,
Speaker 1: but this year we we we sat down with Hannah.
Speaker 1: I don't know if uh, yeah, but we did not
Speaker 1: meet any of the guys. Well, how do you feel
Speaker 1: about the guy's reaction shots from there? I saw there
Speaker 1: was like one clip that I saw some dude apparently
Speaker 1: screaming at the top of his lungs, which is not
Speaker 1: a good look. I'm okay, He's like he might be
Speaker 1: like the villain. That's what I've been hearing. This guy Luke,
Speaker 1: is there ever really a villain though, like in real
Speaker 1: life villain? No, I'm saying like that, you know when
Speaker 1: people are like the sweetheart, the villain, this whatever, Like
Speaker 1: there's no ever really there's there was never anyone that's
Speaker 1: really that evil of a person on the show. Oh well,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that that evil. But Chad was definitely
Speaker 1: a villain. I would say's evil, but he did like
Speaker 1: when he like threatened to find Jordan after the show
Speaker 1: and beat him up. He's not evilain physically threatening people.
Speaker 1: He's not evil for sure. No, that was done. Well
Speaker 1: was he intoxicated? Um? There are so I obviously don't
Speaker 1: know any contestants, but I got it. I had an
Speaker 1: experience with the contestant that's all this season. Don't say
Speaker 1: the name, but tell us about the experience. It was
Speaker 1: only it was like, I'm not gonna say the name. Obviously.
Speaker 1: It was a very short interaction. He reached out to
Speaker 1: me via Instagram and said, Hey, I'm on this season
Speaker 1: of The Bachelorette. I go this far. I was hoping
Speaker 1: you to give me some advice on how to move forward.
Speaker 1: I was like, I reached back. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, man, like, obviously, take anything I say with
Speaker 1: a big grain of sault blah blah blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: but like, whatever I can do to help, just let
Speaker 1: me know. He follows up with a message that says,
Speaker 1: it looks like you've got a lot of Instagram followers
Speaker 1: and I want to know how to do exactly the
Speaker 1: same thing. And she's honest, and I never responded, and
Speaker 1: he unsent the messages, and now I'm just like, well,
Speaker 1: he's probably scared that you're gonna screech on him and
Speaker 1: like post him or something. It's just like, come on, dude,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Good for him for like reaching out and
Speaker 1: asking what literally every other person is probably thinking in
Speaker 1: their heads. I think it just shows the progression of
Speaker 1: the show and the contestants. I just think there's a
Speaker 1: time and place build a report, maybe build a level
Speaker 1: of trust. Now I'm talking about it on a podcast
Speaker 1: because the second thing you said to me was that
Speaker 1: you wanted to build your Instagram following it's like, you know, no,
Speaker 1: I don't respect for that, and in my opinion, so
Speaker 1: now I'm just kind of like, I watch it obviously
Speaker 1: because it seems like a nice girl. You met her um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, she seems very relatable. But I guess it's
Speaker 1: It's definitely to your point, Jared, It's changed, the landscape
Speaker 1: has changed a lot, become a lot more centric on that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd just like to see it firsthand. It's kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like, Yeah, we always say this that a
Speaker 1: lot of people used to go on The Bachelor for
Speaker 1: the experience of being on the show, and now a
Speaker 1: lot of people are going on the show because they
Speaker 1: like the experience after the show. Specifically, what this guy
Speaker 1: asked about Instagram followers the wrong reasons, if you ask me,
Speaker 1: that would be That's the only thing I say might
Speaker 1: be the wrong reasons, because everything else, if you like,
Speaker 1: I always say when people are like, well, if you
Speaker 1: don't go on for love, if you're going off for
Speaker 1: the wrong reasons, and I would actually argue that. Alright,
Speaker 1: some quick emails because we gotta wrap pretty soon here,
Speaker 1: gentlemen and lady. Uh, this is a very nice one
Speaker 1: from an anonymous email, and I thought you guys should hear.
Speaker 1: I've never once looked at your instagrams or even the
Speaker 1: podcast website. I had no idea what you guys looked
Speaker 1: like until today. When I finally went on your instagrams.
Speaker 1: I've never watched The Bachelor, never seen a single episode.
Speaker 1: So many other listeners and consumers of your other media
Speaker 1: have a different view of who you are, that you're
Speaker 1: plastic or so entwined with The Bachelor in social media
Speaker 1: that you aren't quite real anymore. But I see you
Speaker 1: as real people, and dare I say it, like friends
Speaker 1: I've never known. Over the course of listening to your podcast,
Speaker 1: I had some boy problems and flirtation ships that's a
Speaker 1: good word, that's a really good word. Then I got
Speaker 1: into a relationship and it's not but almost a year.
Speaker 1: In a way, you helped me navigate my life, not
Speaker 1: just in dating, but in all parts of my life,
Speaker 1: as if you were really right there through it all.
Speaker 1: I truly believe that your conversations on the podcast have
Speaker 1: helped me, and many times I respond to you in
Speaker 1: my head as if I were part of the conversation
Speaker 1: as well that I don't know, I know, no, this
Speaker 1: is very think. I love reading emails like this, or
Speaker 1: I mean, when whenever we get then or whenever people
Speaker 1: reach out to me personally and talk about Dean and Jared,
Speaker 1: and how much like they love you guys, and how
Speaker 1: much they love the podcasts, and to me, like into like,
Speaker 1: for us, this is why we do it, you know,
Speaker 1: like we're we're trying to be as authentic as we
Speaker 1: can be, and you know, to get an email like
Speaker 1: this just kind of confirms that what we're doing is,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of working. I think a part of
Speaker 1: the lure of a podcast is it feels like you're
Speaker 1: just hanging out and talking with your friends. That's the
Speaker 1: way this is going. Is really wonderful, and it's not perfect,
Speaker 1: and sometimes we don't do as best of a job
Speaker 1: as I think we all hope we could. But I
Speaker 1: like to know that we're trying as hard as we
Speaker 1: can and people appreciate that. So thank you, Anonymous. I
Speaker 1: really wish you said your name. That was a great shot.
Speaker 1: Marcoing to deal Anonymous. Sure you don't have this one,
Speaker 1: Van S'm sorry this one came in late. This one's
Speaker 1: a little bit uh subject dating with herpes. Yeah, last
Speaker 1: year I was diagnosed with herpes. After the initial shock
Speaker 1: and confusion, I found out it's incredibly common of the
Speaker 1: population dealing with the same thing. I am of that percentage.
Speaker 1: The majority doesn't even know they have her pies. Even
Speaker 1: more astounding, the population has been intimate with someone that
Speaker 1: has had herpies unknowingly. After doing the research, I learned
Speaker 1: that the stigma behind herpes actually the worst of it.
Speaker 1: I'm no actually dating someone new, still in the beginning
Speaker 1: getting to know youth stage, but soon enough I'll have
Speaker 1: to have that scary conversation with him and hopefully I
Speaker 1: will be accepted fully. The reason I email you is
Speaker 1: because I want to get your thoughts about dating with
Speaker 1: an FTD. Have you ever dated someone that disclosed that
Speaker 1: to you? How would you want to be told? Do
Speaker 1: you have misconceptions about her pies? I love this email
Speaker 1: because I do think there's a huge stigma whenever it
Speaker 1: comes to our sexual um experiences in our past, and
Speaker 1: this is just a The email for me is like, yes,
Speaker 1: I think that there's a huge stigma. I've never personally
Speaker 1: dated anyone that's disclosed that kind of information. But then again,
Speaker 1: they could have had something and never had told me.
Speaker 1: But I've always has gone to get tested at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the relationships UM in the middle, Like you know,
Speaker 1: whenever I get my POP test, I always get tested UM,
Speaker 1: just you know, to be sure, because I'm a little
Speaker 1: bit of O c D with that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: But I do know someone who had dated their partner
Speaker 1: and the partner had UM an s t I and
Speaker 1: this person was extremely honest with them and their partner
Speaker 1: was understanding of it, because I think it's in the
Speaker 1: way that you communicated. If you come out as like
Speaker 1: it's alarming, like you know, like life or death. Like, No,
Speaker 1: it's not life or death like you said. Percent of
Speaker 1: the people do have it A lot of people. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's eighty percent of people who have
Speaker 1: it or eight percent of people don't feel symptoms of
Speaker 1: an s t I, especially of herpes UM. So I
Speaker 1: think that, Uh, if you have an honest conversation with
Speaker 1: your partner and in the way that you make your
Speaker 1: partner understand what it is UM, then I'm hoping your
Speaker 1: partner will be open to it and accepting UM to
Speaker 1: your vulnerability and your openness and your honesty. Yeah, then
Speaker 1: that's what happened with the person that I know, Uh,
Speaker 1: the couple that I know of, they ended up having
Speaker 1: a very healthy sexual Really is that even a term
Speaker 1: like an active sexual relationship? Yeah, you're actively having sex.
Speaker 1: I think I'm in a similar vote to you, but
Speaker 1: that's I've never been in a relationship with someone that
Speaker 1: has openly come out and said hey, I have this,
Speaker 1: so it's hard to speak from experience for anonymous. UM,
Speaker 1: when I was twenty, I had chlamydia. That was kind
Speaker 1: of a weird thing. Thank you, thank you. I got
Speaker 1: you know, I get my annual check up. Sometimes I
Speaker 1: get checked my sear depending on how active I've been
Speaker 1: that here. Thank you, good for you for getting checked. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you. I was twenty and I was dating this
Speaker 1: girl and I got checked and they're like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: have chlamydia, is super treatable. Just take this the Z
Speaker 1: pack and it will be gone in a week. Um,
Speaker 1: that conversation was hard because they were like, are you
Speaker 1: like sexually active with anyone. I was like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm dating this girl and like okay, here's a pack
Speaker 1: for her as well, like make sure you have the
Speaker 1: conversation with her, give her this until he get checked
Speaker 1: and like going to her and be like, hey, this
Speaker 1: is really weird and awkward, but I have this. This
Speaker 1: is like super treatable and get rid of it in
Speaker 1: like a week. But like, just so you know, you
Speaker 1: need to go get checked now too. It was a
Speaker 1: weird conversation and it was like, I think herpes might
Speaker 1: be a little bit more challenging because it's not quite
Speaker 1: as treatable. But it was like one of those moments
Speaker 1: where I was like dressing. To Vanessa's point, I was
Speaker 1: like dreading. The conversation was like, Okay, how am I
Speaker 1: going to pose this? How is this not going to
Speaker 1: be awkward? Wight wait till after the food comes before order? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was one of those things and we like we're
Speaker 1: still friends to this day and like we continue to
Speaker 1: date for a little bit longer after that. Obviously it
Speaker 1: fell out for multiple other reasons. I was tony and dumb,
Speaker 1: but um, yeah, I think I think openness and honesty
Speaker 1: is kind of the big thing. And it's hard, especially
Speaker 1: with this, because it's like how long do you wait
Speaker 1: until you tell them? Um? Do you want to build
Speaker 1: the comfortable comfortability level with them before you jump into it?
Speaker 1: So I mean obviously before you get intimate, you need
Speaker 1: to tell Oh my gosh, of course, what are the
Speaker 1: symptoms of claim idio? I'm not I don't think there
Speaker 1: are any that's the things, especially as okay, check for
Speaker 1: a reason. It's just like an annual checkup. But as
Speaker 1: a guy, it's like there are no symptoms, so it's
Speaker 1: like you can't have it for now. I don't think
Speaker 1: there are no there are symptoms. Some the thing with
Speaker 1: s T I s very few people and I've read
Speaker 1: up on this, very few people experienced symptoms. So that's
Speaker 1: why it's really important to go get checked. Because even
Speaker 1: though you could also be wearing protection, like, there's other
Speaker 1: areas and fluids of the body that like mixed together
Speaker 1: from wrestling. That's what he told you. I don't know,
Speaker 1: because he had a breakout on his like apparently he
Speaker 1: was wrestling. I don't know if I'm misinterpreting the story,
Speaker 1: but apparently if I remember correctly, Duty had wrestling, had
Speaker 1: like a breakout on his forehead and then they were
Speaker 1: like wrestling and sweats blood to blood. There's different types
Speaker 1: of Yeah, I don't I don't know what type it was.
Speaker 1: That's why I don't know the extent of it. But
Speaker 1: tell me about it. So what ends up happening is
Speaker 1: when even when a child is born, like and then
Speaker 1: an ant who has like oral herpes or whatever can
Speaker 1: kiss the baby and then the baby gets contracted with herpes.
Speaker 1: So it's like, I think it's just this a huge
Speaker 1: misconception that is like, oh, like who did you sleep with? Like, no,
Speaker 1: it doesn't it doesn't have to be that. Simplex one
Speaker 1: is the sores around your mouth. Yeah, Simplex two is
Speaker 1: your genitalia. Yes, got it, but I think you can
Speaker 1: have one in two and you if you're a Seinfeld fanatic,
Speaker 1: you can get them from a tractor. So just be
Speaker 1: sure that would be gone. Yeah, she got GNA rhea
Speaker 1: from a tract, which is also super treatable. It's like chlamydia.
Speaker 1: You take his back, it's cleared up in a week.
Speaker 1: But you know, from anonymous, there's a lot of misconceptions
Speaker 1: about one more question on that if if you're dating
Speaker 1: someone new in the relationship and they told you that,
Speaker 1: would you head for z hills? I want to head
Speaker 1: for the hills, But listen to one. You're human, right,
Speaker 1: So if you're you're you're into somebody and they say,
Speaker 1: hey have herpes, you know that's obviously a little I
Speaker 1: don't know if i'd head for the hills, but I
Speaker 1: would look for the path that would get me to
Speaker 1: the hills as quickly as possible, So I would have
Speaker 1: an escaped rude if necess there No, no, no, no no,
Speaker 1: I mean you don't know, right, I don't know, but
Speaker 1: I would make sure the car is turned on and
Speaker 1: in driveing anywhere yet but in the you but for you, anonymous,
Speaker 1: if this person reacts with hesitation, don't be alarmed by
Speaker 1: that either, because I don't think you're going to tell
Speaker 1: them and then they're just gonna say, Okay, great, no problem.
Speaker 1: It's gonna have to have a conversation. But that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean they can't move past, in that you can't move
Speaker 1: past together and what she should what he or she
Speaker 1: should do? It sounds like they have a pretty good
Speaker 1: grasp on it, but like yet as much information as
Speaker 1: you can about how it affects you and how it
Speaker 1: could potentially affect someone else, because at this point, like
Speaker 1: the more you know, the more uh you'll be able
Speaker 1: to explain it better to someone else. And I honestly
Speaker 1: don't think it's going to be that bad, but it's
Speaker 1: gonna challenging conversation. But I think information is definitely something
Speaker 1: that you should like and knowledge something you should have
Speaker 1: that um, anyways, I'll do it for this week's episode
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Speaker 1: are the best. You guys don't get in them. Thank you,
Speaker 1: but you really? Um, yeah, you guys are awesome. Thank
Speaker 1: you Mark, and thank you Easton, and thank you actually
Speaker 1: for passively standing by next to us. Well, she's recording
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