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Speaker 1: What up is your boy? Stack?

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Speaker 2: Five? Welcome to this week's episode of Unplugged. My boy

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Speaker 2: Matt is actually in Mexico with the Twins. Twins playing

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Speaker 2: on the national team, So shout out to my brother

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Speaker 2: and the Twins Man Fran for y'all. Y'all go out

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Speaker 2: there and do what y'all do. I got my boy

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Speaker 2: and Nate here to the assist me.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: It's the finals, man, It's that time of year. What

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Speaker 2: we all been waiting on, Nick Spurris, It's a lot

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Speaker 2: going on. My boy and Nate gonna shoot some topics

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Speaker 2: around and we're gonna get to it.

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Speaker 1: Let's go night. Stack.

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Speaker 3: What do you think the difference was in Game seven

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Speaker 3: between the Thunder and the Spurs.

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Speaker 2: I think the Spurs wanted it more. The young guys,

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Speaker 2: you know, when they take when they take care of

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Speaker 2: the ball. I think that's why that's why the series

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Speaker 2: win seven games. You know a lot of those games,

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Speaker 2: you know, Castle Harper, they was making a lot of

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Speaker 2: young turnovers, helping Okay see and limiting their offensive possessions.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so was able to make runs and get more possessions,

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Speaker 2: get more shots, and you don't want to give Shade

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Speaker 2: more shots at all. You know what I'm saying, He

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Speaker 2: already shooting at a high clip. But Spurs did what

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Speaker 2: they need to do. WHIMPI was dominant, He came out aggressive. Uh,

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Speaker 2: he made his presence fed on defensive end. Uh, they

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Speaker 2: just competed more than I think. The Spurs got the

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Speaker 2: young the same team as okay see, but they got

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Speaker 2: more dogs, you know. And Pop has always been good

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Speaker 2: at that, finding those young stars that's hungry.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's good kids.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying that that that he can

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Speaker 2: bring ins to the organization and be stars. Pop is

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Speaker 2: greated that. But you know, I do want to give

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Speaker 2: a shout out to the m v P. I think

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Speaker 2: Shot the way he I'm more of a fan of

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Speaker 2: Shot the way he carried himself this series with all

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Speaker 2: the weight that was on him, you know, being tripled

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Speaker 2: and quadruple team, Uh, not being frustrated, still making the

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Speaker 2: right play, giving props from props due to the Spurs

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Speaker 2: after they won.

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Speaker 1: Like the way he carried himself.

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Speaker 2: He showed me, uh a lot of Code, but he

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Speaker 2: showed me a lot of Jordan and the way he

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Speaker 2: carried himself and and the shots he was making, you know,

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Speaker 2: to try to wheel his team to a win. So

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Speaker 2: even even in defeat, you know what I'm saying, I

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Speaker 2: still salute the MVP. The Wade played it, but first

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Speaker 2: they showed that they wanted it, they deserve it, and

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Speaker 2: those young boys was real hunger and they played like

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Speaker 2: it in Game seven.

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Speaker 1: One more thing.

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Speaker 2: About OKC is you can't be that important to your

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Speaker 2: team like Chet is and not go our guns blazing

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Speaker 2: Game seven, the season on the line, you can't be

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Speaker 2: gun shot at all. You got to go out there

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Speaker 2: and give it all, compete. So what you're getting dumped on,

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Speaker 2: so what you're getting dominant dominated, You still got to

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Speaker 2: go out there and compete and leave it all on

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Speaker 2: the court. And Chet didn't do that. And that's what

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Speaker 2: a lot of people are questioning right now. You know,

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Speaker 2: where was your heart at That shouldn't be in questioned.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. You already down one, Jay

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Speaker 2: will not playing, So this is your opportunity to be

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Speaker 2: a thirty point score, be a twenty five point score,

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Speaker 2: and be big in Game seven. But Chet didn't understand

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Speaker 2: the moment. He didn't take advantage of the moment. You

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Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Winby was definitely dominant and wanted

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Speaker 2: it more and he showed it. Now what does OKC

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Speaker 2: do do they move with? Move on from check? The

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Speaker 2: only reason to move on from check is if you

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Speaker 2: get somebody like Giannis.

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Speaker 1: That makes sense because you can go big three D today.

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Speaker 1: You can. You can go with him, j Will and Jannis.

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Speaker 1: I think that'd be great.

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Speaker 2: Keep Hardenstein, you know, I know, I know, Case some

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Speaker 2: Wallace is up for extension. So if you can keep

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Speaker 2: get a guy like Gianni's, I think that's the right move.

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Speaker 2: But I don't see nothing out there because chet still

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Speaker 2: has time to grow, you know what I'm saying, he has.

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Speaker 1: I think this this could be a learn unless he.

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Speaker 2: Is a one of the top defensive players in the league.

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Speaker 1: He is the NBA champ, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: So I think he can bounce back.

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Speaker 2: But it just looks bad right now the way he

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Speaker 2: came out Game seven, when he's supposed to put everything

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Speaker 2: I see him fixing that they can get a Yiannis

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Speaker 2: stand If not they got to rock with him and

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Speaker 2: try to get and try to get him to understand

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Speaker 2: the moments, get ready to compete and be that player

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Speaker 2: that we all hope and Check you know, will been be.

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Speaker 2: I think Check tried to downplay the rivalry thing that

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Speaker 2: everybody's throwing around, and I think Wenby embraced it, used

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Speaker 2: to prove everybody wrong. I think Check did the opposite.

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Speaker 2: Chill tried to ignore it and come out and play basketball.

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Speaker 2: And that's the difference between the two teams, Like you

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Speaker 2: got a more of the Spurs team is a little

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Speaker 2: bit more grittier team, okay see, is more of a

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Speaker 2: you know, they do things the right way, good kids

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Speaker 2: all that. You know, you got more gritty team over

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Speaker 2: there with the Spurs. So it showed. And I just

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Speaker 2: don't see certain things like that. You just can't teach man.

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Speaker 2: So it has to be.

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Speaker 1: In you, not on you, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: And I think the Spurs showed another notch of Honger,

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Speaker 2: another notch of of understanding the moment, another notch of

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Speaker 2: of the sense of urgency that okay see didn't show

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Speaker 2: in Game seven and I think I don't know if

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Speaker 2: check can find that, you know, after this loss, you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: I think he should have had that coming into game seven.

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Speaker 2: Hell, he should have had that knowing that we're in

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Speaker 2: the Western Conference Finals and we have a chance to

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Speaker 2: be a team that won back to back.

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Speaker 1: You know that, that motivation should have been there.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know, I don't know, I don't I

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Speaker 2: don't know what's gonna what's gonna happen with chet as

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Speaker 2: a player from this moment because Women's gonna be here

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Speaker 2: a long time. He ain't going to what no time soon?

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Speaker 2: So do you do? You move him to the East

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Speaker 2: so he ain't got to see Womby as much. You

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Speaker 2: gotta think about these things. But I'm super confident, super

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Speaker 2: confident in Sam Presty on making the right decisions. He

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Speaker 2: built his organization, He comes from that San Antonio Spurs Street.

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Speaker 2: He was devil when we won a championship, So I'm

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Speaker 2: pretty sure he'll.

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Speaker 1: Make the right move. Stack.

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Speaker 3: What was it like in two thousand and three when

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Speaker 3: you played for the NBA Championship?

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Speaker 2: My experience, I was like a Darren haghlights. I came

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Speaker 2: I'm leading all rookies and scoring, uh, making the Rookie

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Speaker 2: Mike Brown coming down to me on the sideline because

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Speaker 2: halftime and said, keep your head, don't do nothing crazy.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna bring you to the Spurs.

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Speaker 2: And he and he kept his word, brought me to

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Speaker 2: the Spurs and up being in my first year, I

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Speaker 2: was on our second year, I'm playing genobili, you know,

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Speaker 2: called me up to the room, told me I was starting,

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Speaker 2: and I started for the rest of the season. That

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Speaker 2: was I didn't know what was going on. Like, I

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Speaker 2: you know, this is a dream. This was a dream,

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Speaker 2: like everything about it was a dream to me. I'm

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Speaker 2: last year. You know, I'm starting. I'm I'm I'm this

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Speaker 2: third leading scorer on this team. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes the Second League, you know what I mean. I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm making big shots like I'm a big part of

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Speaker 2: get to the finals, like it's nothing else that I'm

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Speaker 2: to be my my fault that we didn't win.

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Speaker 1: I'm the reason we don't win. You know.

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Speaker 2: I played big and make some big shots and it

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Speaker 2: was a big part of of us win that championship

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Speaker 2: in two thousand and three. But that experience is like

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Speaker 2: no other because I never got back my whole career.

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Speaker 2: That's what I've been trying to explain to people, like,

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Speaker 2: if you get to this moment, you got to understand

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Speaker 2: you get eight games away, playoffs start, you need sixteen

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Speaker 2: wins to become NBA champions. You get down to eight

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Speaker 2: I'm saying, eight more wins. You get down to four,

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Speaker 2: you know, it's like it's crazy like when you look

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Speaker 2: Some people never make the finals their whole career. So

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Speaker 2: stay in the moment. And that's what I did, Man.

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Speaker 2: I stayed in the moment, and I was able to

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Speaker 2: be a part of something great with some great players,

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Speaker 2: some great veterans, and I think we had a mix

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Speaker 2: of both.

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Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people don't.

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Speaker 2: Know Steve Smith, Danny Ferry, Steve Kerr, Kevin Willis, David Robinson.

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Speaker 2: All those was the vets we had, you know, Bruce

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Speaker 2: boring us, all the Vets we had on the team.

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Speaker 1: So you know, it was a great experience for me.

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Speaker 2: Man, It's something that I will never forget because, like

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Speaker 2: I said, I never was able to experience that again.

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Speaker 1: Stack.

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Speaker 3: What was it like when you were playing for Greg Popovich,

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Speaker 3: especially in those early years.

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Speaker 1: It was the best thing for me. I opop everything

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Speaker 1: and love him to death.

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Speaker 2: I still text Tom James and I ain't talked to

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Speaker 2: him since I've been played there, but I got messages

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Speaker 2: from him from Rachel Nichols, and I've been sending mess

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Speaker 2: to Tom James checking I love Man.

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Speaker 1: He means everything to me.

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Speaker 2: He gave me a he gave not only did he

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Speaker 2: give me an opportunity to be on the championship team

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Speaker 2: and being the champions, to be a part of a

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Speaker 2: He taught me about how to be a man and

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Speaker 2: started my career off. You know, my first couple years

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Speaker 2: So we're here NBA Finals. We've kind of seen this

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Speaker 1: Right Mike Brown understands the moment. He's been here.

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Speaker 2: But Jesse, imagine the trophy going back to New York.

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Speaker 1: So if I had to pick up make a prediction.

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Speaker 2: Duh, you know I'm going Spurs Spurs and six man

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Speaker 2: One thing I see a lot of people talking about

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Speaker 1: We love the game.

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Speaker 2: We love it. We appreciate it because you know, you

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Speaker 1: But the Knicks really going to see how different it is, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, with all experience, when we had all this postseason

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Speaker 2: So I don't blame shot, I don't blame Luca for

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