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Speaker 1: Hi, welcome to Desperately Devoted, the Ultimate Desperate Housewives rewatch,

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Speaker 1: hosted by me, Terry Hatcher, my on screen daughter Andrea Bowen,

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Speaker 1: and my real life daughter Emerson Tanna.

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Speaker 2: Well, Hi, welcome back here.

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Speaker 3: We are discussing episode eight, Guilty, and I just have

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Speaker 3: to say Fred Gerber directed the shit out of this

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Speaker 3: episode well.

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Speaker 4: And maybe no surprise then.

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Speaker 5: According to Wikipedia, this was our highest rated episode of

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Speaker 5: this season thus far.

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Speaker 3: It was my highest rated episode in my heart thus far.

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Speaker 6: Well, I wonder if that's because of the insanely well edited,

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Speaker 6: exciting end of the episode, which was where we were

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Speaker 6: cutting back and forth between Missus Hooper being killed with

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Speaker 6: the blender that she stole from Mary Alice by Paul

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Speaker 6: and Mike and Susan having sex for the first time.

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Speaker 6: I mean, that was hot, hot, hot, But I don't know.

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Speaker 6: There were a lot of big things that happened in

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Speaker 6: this episode, and there were big themes like shame and

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Speaker 6: guilt and religion, and I feel like the question of

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Speaker 6: you know, does being happy make you selfish? Also, I

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Speaker 6: think people are looking at like your gut instinct, does

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Speaker 6: it lead you wrong or right?

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Speaker 4: So what stood out to you guys, where should we start?

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Speaker 4: I love just to dive right in.

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Speaker 5: I also love the general theme of this episode. We

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Speaker 5: have so many characters turning to religion specifically in this episode,

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Speaker 5: and I was thinking about that a lot, and I

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Speaker 5: was wondering, like, I think it's human nature to sort

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Speaker 5: of crave a blueprint in life, you know, we want

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Speaker 5: to be guided, We want someone to answer these big questions,

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Speaker 5: like Gabrielle turning to Father Crowley kind of trying to

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Speaker 5: decipher what is right and wrong. And Susan and Mike

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Speaker 5: in this episode with trust issues coming up, you know,

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Speaker 5: with su and kind of snooping a little bit in

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Speaker 5: Mike's house and kind of what does it? Someone tell

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Speaker 5: me how and when I can really start to trust someone.

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Speaker 3: Also have Bri and Rex really grappling with Andrew's lack

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Speaker 3: of guilt over the car crash and the fact that

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Speaker 3: he's put Wanita into a coma and kind of saying like,

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Speaker 3: how have we raised a right sun or how have

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Speaker 3: we raised our son? Have we done something wrong? I

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Speaker 3: also love that the opening, the very opening. Mary Alice

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Speaker 3: says in the beginning of this episode, there is a

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Speaker 3: widely read book that tells us everyone is a sinner,

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Speaker 3: and we see that Bible that Brie has. And I

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Speaker 3: don't think, you know, this show being an American TV

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Speaker 3: show airing in America, I do not think that it

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Speaker 3: is a coincidence that the highest rated episode started with

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Speaker 3: a Bible and ended with sex and murder. That really

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Speaker 3: feels like it pretty perfectly encapsulates our country, for better

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Speaker 3: or for worse.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what else is there to cover. Those

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I love that opening scene, and I.

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Speaker 4: Also loved Okay.

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Speaker 6: So it opens with the the Brie and Rex and

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Speaker 6: the fact that Andrew, uh, you know, we hit and

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Speaker 6: possibly killed this woman. And they're all sort of hemming

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Speaker 6: get rid of the car. This is how we're going

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Speaker 6: actually reminded me Reese Witherspoon. I saw her like doing

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Speaker 6: what should we do? What do you think we should do?

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Speaker 6: Like the woman never has the solution. And Reese Witherspoon's

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Speaker 6: when have you ever seen a woman in an actual

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Speaker 2: Like the women are always.

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Speaker 6: The people that stand up and like have a plan

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Speaker 3: Of course, the solution will be to drive the car

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Speaker 3: Turning our back to the morally reprehensible implications if someone

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Speaker 3: of course Brie is the one who had the plan.

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Speaker 3: And I think it's interesting, Mom that you say that

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Speaker 3: in this episode a lot of different characters. I'm specifically

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Speaker 3: thinking about Lynette as her add medication addiction that she

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Speaker 3: and then ultimate breakdown fueled by her vision of Mary

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Speaker 3: Mary Alice in such a kind of haunting and beautiful

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Speaker 3: this vision and handing her the gun that she used

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Speaker 3: And ultimately, of course it is when she realizes that

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Speaker 5: We just have to linger on this scene because you know,

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Speaker 5: as as we like to point out, this was two

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Speaker 5: scene to show Lynette completely full crash out mode standing

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Speaker 5: in the kitchen. She's sleep dep you know, completely sleep deprived.

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Speaker 5: She's now maybe she's taken something. She went to the

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Speaker 5: acupuncturist who gave her these you know, holistic, mushroomy things.

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Speaker 5: She's taken that, which is aiding in this hallucination state

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Speaker 5: totally falling apart. And it's overlaid with that amazing music,

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Speaker 5: which I know was just like cinematic brilliance to.

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Speaker 2: Have Len Groovy, so ivon Ellen.

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Speaker 4: Groovy playing over that.

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Speaker 5: Right, The dichotomy of those two things just making this

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Speaker 5: this moment of TV feel like a pause worthy moment.

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Speaker 5: I just I just really I think it's the it's

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Speaker 5: maybe my favorite episode of the season.

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Speaker 4: So far, that makes sense.

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Speaker 6: I mean, that was just a brilliant scene, and I

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Speaker 6: loved that Felicity did this little, tiny moment. I'm sure

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Speaker 6: she did it on purpose, because that's the kind of

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Speaker 6: think if you went back and you watched it again,

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Speaker 6: I think when you watch it for the first time,

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Speaker 6: window and break it like it's It was edited so well.

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Speaker 6: This episode was so strongly about guilt and shame that

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Speaker 6: I asked chat GPT what the difference between guilt and

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Speaker 6: shame was, Do you guys want to hear what?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yes, GPT told me.

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Speaker 3: I will just coveat this though with chat GPT is

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Speaker 3: saying I don't know. I'm not saying that this isn't

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Speaker 6: Wow, I'm not sure this is one of those times,

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Speaker 6: said was it said that guilt was focused on behavior,

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Speaker 6: And guilt tends to motivate a person to have reparations,

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Speaker 6: was fascinating. The difference between owning like this deep seated

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Speaker 7: I try not to.

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Speaker 6: I think happens to Len, which I think is what

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Speaker 6: which is I've given up my job. I'm taking care

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Speaker 6: You know, She's instead going like, I'm not having the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think it serves in this in this

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Speaker 5: we tell each other these things?

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Speaker 4: You know, which is such a.

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Speaker 5: Moving moment for those friendships, but also just as something

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Speaker 5: in my life going into you know, motherhood or any

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Speaker 7: And someone says, oh, I've been there.

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Speaker 4: Oh what it can make you feel.

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Speaker 5: The relief that you're you're not carrying this shame around

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Speaker 3: I think the assumption needs to be that couples always

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Speaker 5: We all have a strong right to a personal inner

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Speaker 5: I think we, like I said, I think we deserve

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Speaker 4: The instinct might be onto something.

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Speaker 5: to getting married, like you knew that I don't feel

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00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 5: that way, And that leads to the button of her saying, well,

443
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 5: my you know, my uterus is not up for negotiation, man. Yeah,

444
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 5: I mean, here we are in twenty twenty five, where

445
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 5: our uteruses are very much up for negotiation evidently. And yeah,

446
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 5: it struck me that this show remains timely unfortunately sometimes

447
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 5: and fortunately in others, you know what, But again, like, wow,

448
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 5: what a bold and brave episode this was. I really

449
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 5: think it's a really cool one just to hone in

450
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 5: on specifically as we're rewatching, I feel like this is

451
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 5: going to stand out as a really specifically the important episode.

452
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 3: I think another thing another storyline that I loved in

453
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 3: this episode that I just do think is obviously worth

454
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 3: talking about because then it coalesces with the storyline of

455
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 3: Mike and Susan finally sleeping together.

456
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 2: Which I do want to hear about, Mom, if you

457
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 2: have any memories, yeah.

458
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 3: Okay, But is obviously is Paul realizing that the stationary

459
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,360
Speaker 3: is not actually Edie's stationary. And I love the kind

460
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 3: of odd couple dynamic between Edie and Martha Hooper where

461
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 3: she's like, oh, yeah, we steal each other's stuff, and

462
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 3: you come to realize that the note was actually Martha's

463
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 3: and not and.

464
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 7: She refers to her in this episode as her best friend.

465
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,959
Speaker 3: I know, which is is very complex and dad. And

466
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 3: then we have Paul going over to I don't think

467
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 3: he necessarily goes over with the intent of killing Martha Hobber.

468
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 3: I think he is over to get answers and then

469
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 3: gets angry and in a and I'm kind of curious

470
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 3: what you think if there really is such a thing

471
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 3: as a crime of passion and if that is an

472
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 3: excuse for committing a heinous act, because I don't think

473
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 3: it is an excuse, but I do think it can happen,

474
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 3: and we see it happen here, and you already pointed

475
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 3: this out, Mom, But the poetic irony of him killing

476
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 3: her with a very blender that she takes from Mary

477
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 3: Alice in the pilot when she realizes that Mary Alice

478
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 3: is dead and she takes her name off of that blender.

479
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 2: Is fantastic.

480
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 3: But I feel like, I it was just very interesting

481
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 3: to me how there was the real lot of this episode,

482
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 3: like ramping up alongside all of these more emotional themes and.

483
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 2: What were you gonna say?

484
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 6: I feel I was gonna say, there are consequences to

485
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 6: every action, and you know, if Martha hadn't stolen the blender,

486
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 6: it wouldn't have been there for her to be killed with.

487
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 6: And it just wow, right, and it just makes me

488
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 6: also think, you know, like the consequences. I think Bree's

489
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 6: son Andrew is very disappointingly behaving with his consequences of

490
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 6: having run over one Ita, Like he seems to be like, oh,

491
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 6: I'm bummed out. I have to ride my bike now,

492
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 6: like driving the car.

493
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 3: Driving the car by the way that Rex got him

494
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 3: as a kind of like bribe apology for the marital

495
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 3: problems with brit.

496
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 5: Right by trying to buy his loyalty and his love.

497
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 6: I want to go back a little bit, just personally,

498
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 6: like for anybody who's ever had their child drive like it,

499
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 6: driving people underestimate. I mean, it's just a very serious responsibility.

500
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,959
Speaker 6: Like it's kind of crazy that we let sixteen year

501
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 6: olds do it, like like like right, it actually is

502
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 6: kind of crazy. I understand it. But when you think

503
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 6: about the cognitive ability that somebody at sixteen has and

504
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 6: more importantly doesn't have, and that we're giving them this

505
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 6: weapon really for all intentsive purposes, that to use at

506
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 6: their discretion, it's actually kind of crazy to me. But

507
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 6: when Emerson was first learning to drive, and I I

508
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 6: guess no idea, there's more about me than it does

509
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 6: about you. But so she went to school quite far

510
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 6: from our house, and for all of her school life,

511
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 6: her father and I you know, would would drive her

512
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 6: there and.

513
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 2: All three freeway tracks.

514
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 6: There was like an episode of the Californians on Saturday

515
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 6: Night Live. It was like you got to take the

516
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 6: five to the one seventy to the two ten to

517
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 6: the one eighteen, you know.

518
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 4: What a valley girl.

519
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 7: So when she was.

520
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 6: Finally doing that on her own, I chose to follow

521
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 6: her to school on the freeway.

522
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 7: So like you tail tailed, I tailed her the whole way.

523
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: And then I and then she would give me.

524
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 3: A report of how well or badly I done the drive.

525
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 2: I mean, granted, I think you all needed this, like

526
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 2: I did.

527
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 6: I just did a handful of times, and I'm sure

528
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 6: it was more for me, but you know it, the

529
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 6: first couple of times, I was like, I think you

530
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 6: could have turned your blinker on sooner. I think you

531
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 6: could have made that lane change a little sooner so

532
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,479
Speaker 6: that you weren't quite so close to the exit, you know.

533
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 7: I just and I actually thought, like, I don't know

534
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 7: that this is.

535
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 6: A bad idea because you don't really know how you're

536
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 6: driving from sitting in the car and like having somebody

537
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 6: observe your driving and try to give you like constructive

538
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 6: criticism on what you did well and what you didn't

539
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 6: do well. But anyway, yeah, I was I've never heard

540
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 6: of any other whack adoodle mother doing that that I did.

541
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 4: Emerson.

542
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 5: Now you have your mom to thank for all of

543
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 5: the discounts you're going to from your insurance company forever,

544
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 5: because you're going to get that good driver discount.

545
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 4: It's true, Mom's in real time. How's my driving feedback?

546
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 3: I really do think I pride myself on being a

547
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 3: pretty good driver, but you're right, it is. It is

548
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 3: a huge responsibility thinking about Andrew driving this car, and

549
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 3: of course he's driving the car inebriated, but driving in

550
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 3: any type of emotional state, even if you haven't been

551
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 3: drinking or doing any types of drugs, it is a

552
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 3: huge responsibility to get behind the wheel that I think

553
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 3: we become just totally numb too, because we do it

554
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 3: every day. And I often think when I'm on the

555
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 3: freeway even now, still to this day, I think of

556
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,479
Speaker 3: this thing that my dad said to me, which if

557
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 3: anyone is teaching their kids how to drive and they're

558
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 3: following them the way that my mom was, you can

559
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 3: take this piece of parenting driving advice as well. My

560
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,719
Speaker 3: dad said to me when I was driving on the freeway,

561
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 3: he was like, you just need to think if your

562
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 3: car is going sixty five miles an hour, seventy miles

563
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 3: an hour down the freeway. All of the organs in

564
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 3: your body are hurdling through space at that velocity.

565
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 2: Too, and it's my mom is like cracking up, dying No.

566
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 3: But I gotta say, there's something incredibly arresting about thinking

567
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 3: about like your fragile heart and brain, brain and lungs

568
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 3: like hurdling through space at seventy miles an hour and

569
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 3: makes I sometimes do think about it, and I get

570
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 3: a little tripped out, and I'm like, oh, I gotta

571
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 3: be careful. I don't want to abruptly stop all of

572
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 3: my organs hurdling.

573
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 4: But I have too funny. I have two funny memories

574
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 4: coming to.

575
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 5: Me that I had experienced on Desperate Housewives, because of

576
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 5: course I learned to drive at some point.

577
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 4: During my journey on the show.

578
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 5: And one is I remember driving a golf cart before

579
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 5: ever driving a real car, because we would have to

580
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 5: drive the golf cart, you know, we didn't usually drive

581
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 5: the golf cart to go from our base camper.

582
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: Feel empowered?

583
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 4: Were you like?

584
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: Was it fun?

585
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 7: I think I was so white knuckling that steering.

586
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 5: Wheel that I don't know if I got to enjoy

587
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 5: it at all.

588
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 4: But another one is that In a later season, I

589
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 4: Julie goes through a.

590
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 5: Car wash, and there's this scene where she goes through

591
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 5: a car wash.

592
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 7: And I remember having to drive the car.

593
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 4: It was one of those car washes where you have

594
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 4: to hook your.

595
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 5: Wheels into and I was a new driver and I

596
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 5: would struggle with that now sometimes lining that up correctly

597
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 5: and getting pulled through.

598
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, And I was terrified.

599
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 5: And I think I embarrassed myself in front of the

600
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 5: entire crew trying to get that thing in those wheels

601
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 5: in the right way.

602
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 4: I loved you.

603
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 6: You did not embarrass yourself. The crew loved you. I'm

604
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 6: sure everyone was on your side.

605
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 4: That's I'm sure they were already.

606
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 3: You learned to.

607
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 4: Drive during that show.

608
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 6: God, that you grew up during this is just insane,

609
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 6: you know, circling back to how you started the whole

610
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 6: thing about, you know, wanting to have a plan, and

611
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 6: that's when people looking towards religion for that. It is

612
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 6: really I think that is really true that people struggle

613
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 6: with not having the answers to big things, and I

614
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 6: think hard I think it would be. It's so good

615
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 6: to work on in yourself your comfort with the not knowing,

616
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 6: because the truth is you are never in control, and

617
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 6: you will never know even when you think you do,

618
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 6: you know, like you still don't.

619
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 3: We're all on this planet with our organs just hurtling

620
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 3: through me.

621
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 6: Why to keep my little organs tucked away in my

622
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 6: little ripage?

623
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 5: And I know I keep baking about thinking my child

624
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 5: and my body. I'm like, well, you're going to stay

625
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 5: in there a little bit long, younger than because the

626
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 5: idea of really listening to you talk about driving behind

627
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 5: Emerson to school, Like, I totally understand how that would

628
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 5: make you feel a little bit more sense of control,

629
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 5: even though it's maybe false, but it gives you some

630
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 5: It's so scary and vulnerable to be, like, hey, go

631
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,720
Speaker 5: out into the world and be and be vulnerable to others,

632
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 5: you know, others actions. And so now I just think

633
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 5: that I'm going to stay pregnant forever.

634
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 3: Oh wait, jumping back to what you were saying, Mom.

635
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 3: In terms of people turn to religion, they turn to

636
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 3: these widely read books such as the Bible or you

637
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 3: know what, to try to have an idea of this.

638
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 3: There could be a blueprint in the absence of that,

639
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 3: I feel like the three of us are kind of

640
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 3: agreeing that we are not necessarily like religious people in

641
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 3: that sense of our life getting meaning from an organized religion.

642
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 3: What tools do you feel like you, both of you,

643
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 3: either of you carry with you to help you have

644
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 3: the world feel like less of a random and chaotic place.

645
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 6: Now that's I'm not sure that I do think that

646
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 6: the world is less random and chaotic like I think

647
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 6: part of the giving over to having a sense of

648
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 6: peace with it all is that I lean into understanding

649
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 6: that I don't have control and trying to find my

650
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,240
Speaker 6: own comfort in that, and then just being really present

651
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 6: with gratitude for what is, and also responsibility for what

652
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 6: I can do, you know, for the things that I

653
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 6: can control and can do. And I think that's what

654
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 6: helps me. Yeah, I don't know.

655
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 4: I'm going to have to keep thinking about that.

656
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 5: I think for me, I am trying to be better

657
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 5: at paying attention to my body cues than.

658
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 7: My brain cues always, because.

659
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 5: I do think there's a lot of truth in the

660
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 5: instincts we feel in life, and my brain will sometimes

661
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 5: work over time to convince me of something when my

662
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 5: body's kind of already told me what I need to know,

663
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 5: But I don't necessarily pay attention.

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Speaker 4: To that the same way, and so.

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Speaker 5: I think that's a tool I could continue to work

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00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 5: on that I'm certainly experiencing more of in pregnancy, is

667
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 5: listening to my body and trusting what it's trying to

668
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 5: tell me or signal to me, and quieting my brain

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Speaker 5: a little bit.

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Speaker 6: I think also, you know, I'm not interested in ruminating

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00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 6: on questions that can't be answered, you know, And this

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00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 6: is my thing about religion, Like Ricky Gervais has a

673
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Speaker 6: couple of great comedic lines that he's said.

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Speaker 4: Over the years about this, but like.

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Speaker 6: I can't know that there isn't a god, and you

676
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Speaker 6: can't know that there is one, Like I'm not more

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00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 6: right or less right, and I just feel like it

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00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 6: makes it a non starter. Like I feel like there's

679
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 6: so many non starters that people kind of get hung

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00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 6: up fighting about. Like, if it serves you to create

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00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 6: beliefs that are working for you to have a happy,

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Speaker 6: positive life, then that's great. Like our behaviors do come

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00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 6: from our beliefs, but our beliefs aren't necessarily the truth.

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00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 6: They aren't necessarily facts, they are beliefs. And so if

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00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 6: you recognize that beliefs you have aren't leading you towards

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00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 6: a happy, productive life, then maybe change your beliefs, you know,

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Speaker 6: And so I think that's really well Son, Well it

688
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 6: felt a little spongy, I know by the way that

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Speaker 6: I'm going to miss Missus Hooper. I think that was

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Speaker 6: maybe a mistake in hindsight, I don't I wonder. I

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Speaker 6: can't wait till we get to talk to a writer

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00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 6: on this show, because I wonder who made that decision

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Speaker 6: and why.

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Speaker 4: But it felt early.

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Speaker 3: It felt it was just too good to cut between

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Speaker 3: the smashing in the head and the banging against the

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Speaker 3: wall sexually.

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Speaker 6: It was just Susan getting banged and missus Uber getten

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Speaker 6: banged at the same time.

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Speaker 5: Wow, yeah, exactly totally though, rip Missus Huber.

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Speaker 7: Really yeah, I.

702
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Speaker 6: Just loved I wanted to know more about her, Like

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Speaker 6: I don't think I was ready for her to be gone.

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Speaker 5: Maybe will continue, Yeah, maybe we'll continue to learn more

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Speaker 5: and more through through the brilliant use.

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Speaker 7: Of flashback, which desperhasfe likes to do.

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Speaker 4: And to end on sex.

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Speaker 6: You asked Emerson what I remembered about the making out

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Speaker 6: stuff with Mike and Susan towards the end, and the

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Speaker 6: truth is not a lot. You know, I feel like,

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Speaker 6: oh come on, no, okay, Like Jamie and I really

712
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Speaker 6: like each other. There is some innate chemistry there for sure,

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Speaker 6: also a ton of respect.

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Speaker 2: It's so weird to shoot.

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Speaker 6: Those kinds of scenes because there's uh, you know, crew

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Speaker 6: and lighting and you know, it's it's it's the opposite

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Speaker 6: of sexy, if that's what you think. And and for me,

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Speaker 6: I look at it, it was hard for me to

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Speaker 6: think that I seemed sexy. Like I don't know, I feel.

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Speaker 4: Like, well you do, well, all right.

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Speaker 6: I love that I have both of you echoing in

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Speaker 6: that I that I am I am sexy or that

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Speaker 6: I was. I don't know. It's just it's something that's

724
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 6: so shut down in me. I just it's hard for me.

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Speaker 6: It's hard for me to perceive it that way.

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Speaker 3: But I think, I mean, as a storyteller, I also

727
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 3: just think the scenario whenever there's long built tension and

728
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Speaker 3: a character lets themselves have what they want, that's the

729
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:23,479
Speaker 3: sexiest thing ever.

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Speaker 5: And no, Father Prowley, that is not selfish.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's the point of being alive on this random.

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Speaker 2: Planet is to have it you want and enjoy it.

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Speaker 6: Okay, So those are great parting words, have what you

734
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Speaker 6: want and enjoy it and don't feel selfish about it.

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Speaker 6: So with that, go have what you want, and then

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Speaker 6: come back next week and tell us all about it,

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Speaker 6: and share it with your friends and.

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Speaker 2: Be honest with them.

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Speaker 6: Well, I'm desperately desperately devoted to hearing how everybody takes

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Speaker 6: care of themselves this week, and we will be here

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Speaker 6: next week.

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Speaker 1: So join it because, as always, we are desperately devoted

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Speaker 1: to you.

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Speaker 3: M m hm