1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: It's lines and times. My name Spencer Graves. As always, 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: my buddy Wes Logan, a bass Master Elite, joins me. 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: You know, there's one thing we didn't get to on 4 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: the last podcast that I wanted to get your opinion on, 5 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: but I had mentioned when we were talking about the schedule. 6 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: I think there's something that could happen in professional fishing 7 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: that would bring a lot more viewers and get a 8 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: lot more eyes when the seasons are all said and done. 9 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: I think what needs to happen is the top twenty 10 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: from Bass and the top twenty for Major League Fishing 11 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: based on points need to compete in a weekend event. 12 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 2: Like a warlock, A true world champion. Yeah. 13 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: Well, I mean we can say a world champion. We 14 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: could say playoffs. Yeah, we could just say Battle of 15 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: the Brands, whatever you want. No, but I think having 16 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 1: the top twenty from bass the top twenty from MLF 17 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: going head to head and then you can kind of 18 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: bring in everybody else. I know it'll never happen, and 19 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: it's a shame because we never should say never. 20 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: Right, right, But no, it is a very good idea, 21 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 2: and I know it's the idea has been thrown around 22 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 2: among I don't know about you know, the organizations wise, 23 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 2: I don't know how egos would go and how that goes. 24 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 2: But from a from a fan standpoint, I think they 25 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 2: would love it. I mean it would kind of be like, 26 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 2: I get I don't really watch the NFL that much, 27 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 2: but you'd like to have the NFC and the AFC. 28 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 2: I mean, it's the Super Bowl. I mean, so it 29 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 2: would be kind of like both sides going on the differences. 30 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: You know, we're not talking about bass Master and MLF 31 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: being under the same umbrella, right right, two competing organizations, 32 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: So it's kind of like the XFL versus the NFL. Yeah, 33 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: the U and I think obviously wouldn't happen. 34 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, it all comes down to money too, Like 35 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: who would get I mean, they'd have to split it up, 36 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 2: and I mean somebody would probably want more than the 37 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 2: other group because they think their anglers are probably better 38 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 2: and they're bringing more viewers. Probably a lot would go 39 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 2: into it. From a fan standpoint, and probably a fisherman standpoint. 40 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: I mean, it would be a really cool term. They 41 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 2: actually used to the tilt. The TTBC back in the 42 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 2: day used. 43 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,639 Speaker 1: To bring Buddy English for a good guy. 44 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 2: Toyota I think I think it was a Toyota Texas 45 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 2: Bass Classic is what it used to be. And they 46 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 2: would bring guys from FLW, they'd bring guys from bass 47 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: from the Points, and you would fish in this tournament. 48 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 2: I mean, it's pretty much the same thing you're talking about. 49 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 2: But it was sponsored by Toyota, all right, So. 50 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: Then why wouldn't we do this? Why wouldn't we take 51 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: because MLF does something that I think bass doesn't do 52 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: enough of. MLF has the BPT, then they have a 53 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: group right below them, and then they have the Toyota Series. 54 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: And in the Toyota Series you have the Central, the southerns, 55 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: the Northeast, the south West, like all these different places. 56 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:39,679 Speaker 1: What if we did this, What if we went to 57 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: the elites of the elites, the bass Master elites, and 58 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: we had bass Master Elites West, bass Master Elites East. 59 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: You guys ran a tournament schedule. They ran a tournament 60 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: schedule opposing weekends. So when bass Master you have these 61 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: two different groups like the NFC and the AFC, and 62 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: then at the end of the year, you take the 63 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: top ten from them, in the top ten from the. 64 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 2: East, and you let them battle fishing in one tournament. 65 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: Well yeah, and then and then bass Master can now 66 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: reach out to where they want to get to and 67 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 1: they have representation on the West Coast. They would love 68 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: to have tournaments in California. 69 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 2: Oh, there's no doubt. It's not like like I get 70 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 2: on social media and see like they think bass is 71 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 2: like biased against you know, they don't want to go 72 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: out there. We want to go out there. Don't like 73 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 2: the fishing's great, you know, all the fishers are amazing. 74 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 2: It's just from a logistical standpoint, I don't think it's 75 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 2: we're able to go out there and then come back, 76 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like take us to California 77 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 2: and then three weeks later be in New York. So 78 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 2: maybe that's why, right, I mean, I really I don't 79 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 2: know the answer to that. I would love to go 80 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 2: fish out with but it's every year. I don't know 81 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 2: if it's possible, just because of the cost to get 82 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 2: out there. 83 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: The infancy of Major League Baseball and really all professional 84 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: sports is the reason why divisions exist, is because those 85 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: teams played within that small geographic location. Because of travel. 86 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: You guys deal with that travel. You're not jumping on planes, 87 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: I know, there are some guys. There's a few where 88 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: they have somebody drive their mote or their truck where 89 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 1: you guys leave them somewhere and then you fly it 90 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: up and you run. 91 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 2: That's like most of the time, that's what if we 92 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 2: can get a you know, get an in between, drop 93 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 2: our stuff off somewhere and fly back. 94 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: But is that what happened on the New York swing 95 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: for you where you had two New York tournaments, but 96 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: you were separated by like a week and a half 97 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: or something two weeks. 98 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 2: I think what happened this year was we were at 99 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 2: Saint Clair, which is in Michigan, and I ended up 100 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 2: having to I came home because I had to film 101 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 2: some stuff with my boat. I drove my stuff back 102 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 2: to Alabama, which was it was only like twelve hours, 103 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 2: and then like three days later, I packed everything back 104 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 2: up and drove nineteen hours to Champlain. 105 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: And then you were in Champlain and New York basically 106 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: for two weeks. 107 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, and went straight from Champlain to to Saint Louis. 108 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: There were some guys where they drove to New York. 109 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 1: They yeah, yes, and they caught a flight. They went home, 110 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: hung out for a couple of days and. 111 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 2: Then if I hadn't needed my boat at home, I 112 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 2: would have I would have probably done that. But I 113 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 2: mean it it sometimes schedules. You know, you gotta you 114 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 2: gotta film when you can. You got to get your 115 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 2: content done when you can. And I mean that's kind 116 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 2: of how it's set up, which is no problem. I 117 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 2: mean it's I mean we're used to. I mean we're 118 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 2: truck drivers first and bass fishermen what it feels like. 119 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 2: But I don't know the logistical part of it, and 120 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 2: that I think that is what ties. And I'm sure 121 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 2: there's somebody listenings like, well, the guys that live on 122 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 2: the West coast drive out to y'all. Well, when they 123 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 2: do that, a lot of times they stay. They don't 124 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 2: go back, like when Paul and it comes like leaves Idaho. 125 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 2: I mean he's he don't go home a lot of 126 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 2: the times. So and I know some guys travel back 127 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 2: and forth. But I mean, I think that's just kind 128 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 2: of the what you have to do. If you choose 129 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 2: to live out there and you want to be a 130 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 2: professional bass fisherman, you've got to be able to make 131 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 2: that sacrifice to know you're fishing from Texas. You know, 132 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,359 Speaker 2: to the East Coast for the most. 133 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: Part, I would love to see bass or MLF one 134 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: of the two kind of do that where you do 135 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: an East coast West coast, you set that as the division, 136 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: because I mean, if you had anchors, right of who 137 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: would be the person anchored for the West coast, you 138 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: could certainly say Pollinik. Yeah, but then you could look 139 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: at some of the other guys that live out there. 140 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: Mattie Wong is somebody that lives on the West coast. 141 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a couple that live in like Washington, California. 142 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 2: I think Clifford Parks lives in like Arizona or something. 143 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 2: I mean, there's there's quite a few guys out there, and. 144 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: The majority are from the southeast. 145 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And what you say when you look at 146 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 2: that and then like where they actually grew up, they 147 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 2: actually moved to the southeast once they made it in 148 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 2: professional fishing, because you start realizing that's where it's you know, 149 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 2: pretty much based around. 150 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 1: Right, that's the hotbed. There's more lakes here, there's more 151 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: fishing opportunities in most places, right. I would like to 152 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: see it. I think that that could be a possibility 153 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: of them generating so much needed revenue in different parts 154 00:06:58,800 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 1: of the country. 155 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,239 Speaker 2: And want it. I mean, every time you get on anything, 156 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 2: it's come out west. Why aren't you out west? Why 157 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 2: aren't you out west? I mean me asn't I would. 158 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 2: I wouldn't mind going out there. I want to fish 159 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 2: out there, fish everywhere. 160 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: Does it throw you off, like would the spawn schedule 161 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: be completely different in California compared to I've never. 162 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 2: I've never like looked into it like fishing wise, you know, 163 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 2: like it from a technique standpoint, But I mean, all 164 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 2: those lakes are so good. I don't you would just 165 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 2: it would just be like another day of fishing. I 166 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 2: mean you just kind of look at it, the pattern, 167 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 2: what time of the year, how they kind of set 168 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 2: up like they would in Florida or you know, up 169 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 2: north or anything like that. But at the end of 170 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 2: the day, it would just become fishing. 171 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: Again. We were talking about New York and when you 172 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: mentioned that, people in New York were like, wait, you 173 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: guys have a tournament, Like they didn't even know, they 174 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: have no they have no idea. Just wait until you 175 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: go to California. Yeah, I can imagine, like y'all are 176 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: doing what you y'all like you guys are doing it. Yeah, 177 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: there's there's fishing, man, there's fish out here. You can 178 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: find the water. I mean, bass Master has a history 179 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: of being out west because the first bass Master Classic 180 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: was Lake Meat, so and I mean you can't fish 181 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: on Lake Meet now there's literally no water. I mean 182 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: they're finding cars and ducks and people with barrels and 183 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. 184 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 2: How cool would it be, though, if we were able 185 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 2: to do a tournament like that, again, like Ray Scott did, 186 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 2: just put us on a plane, don't know where we're going, 187 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 2: just show up. It's not possible now because of the 188 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 2: TV coverage and all the you know, the fan interaction, 189 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 2: because nobody would know you were going to be there, 190 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 2: and if you did tell people in the media, it 191 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 2: would get out somehow, Like there's no way you keep 192 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 2: it a secret. But it would be pretty neat. Yeah. 193 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: Back then, though, I think a lot of guys had 194 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: never fished Lake Meat. 195 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 2: Now everybody's fished. 196 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: Ever, you're hard pressed to find anybody that hasn't fished 197 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: a body of watery. 198 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and about everywhere we go with somebody's homework for 199 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 2: the most part. 200 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: I mean, when you got into the bas elites. Were 201 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: there lakes that popped up your first year that you'd 202 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: never fished? 203 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 2: I don't think any any nothing crazy besides like the 204 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 2: Saint Lawrence Trooper. 205 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 1: So that was the only one that you were like, 206 00:08:57,920 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: I've never been on this body of water. 207 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 2: Trying to think, Yeah, that should have been the only one. 208 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: How do you prepare for that? 209 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 2: Then you do? Is right? And that like this day 210 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 2: and age, I mean, there's so much content out there 211 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 2: from YouTube videos, past tournament results, you know, is that 212 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 2: what you do? 213 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: Do you? Like, if you find out you're going to 214 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: a body of water that you've never been to. 215 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 2: I just kind of like to know what kind of 216 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,719 Speaker 2: weights I'm dealing with to begin with, and then kind 217 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 2: of get I'll do a lot of I do a 218 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 2: lot of map studies with my Hummingbird late Master, like 219 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 2: on the one Boat Network app on my phone and 220 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 2: on my iPad, and I'll kind of like, I want 221 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 2: to know what the weights are, and then kind of 222 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 2: if I've never been there, like I just look at 223 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 2: the whole lake from my hole and kind of break 224 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 2: it down and then kind of see what would like 225 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 2: set up the way I like to fish. If that's 226 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 2: gonna be a possibility. And then if not, like the 227 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 2: small mouth deal, obviously you go onto Ontario Saint Lawrence. 228 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 2: You're not gonna go flip mats, you know, in some 229 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 2: bays and catch seventeen pounds of large mouth. You got 230 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 2: to figure out the small mouth deal. So I'll kind 231 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 2: of that's when you I start, you know, digging into 232 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 2: the videos and the research and the content stuff and 233 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 2: see what section of the river, section of the lake 234 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 2: tend to you know, produce the bigger sized fish. 235 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: I will tell you every time I watch a bass 236 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: Master Elite event, I'm the worst. I mean, it's probably 237 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: the greatest thing to do, and I won't take you 238 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: know credit for it, but I'm the worst. I'll watch 239 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: where you guys are. I'll see the icon of them 240 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: saying west Logan is fishing. 241 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 2: You'll pause it and like, dig into where we're at. 242 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:26,319 Speaker 1: Buddy, I got navi onics. I found it, like he's 243 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: right here, and then I'm setting marks, saying, like if 244 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: I ever fish that body of water, I'm gonna go 245 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: over there. I went to Gunnersville the other day and 246 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: I fished where Cable Koufall was, Yeah, where he was 247 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: doing so well with the frog. I went over there, 248 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 1: and I mean it's completely different now. Even season and 249 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 1: season it changes. 250 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, especially grass lakes. 251 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: If you're breaking down a lake, a body of water 252 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: you have been on, or a species, like going after 253 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: small mouth when you don't really go after smallmouth, how 254 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,599 Speaker 1: do you guys break it down? Because the rule is 255 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: once a lake is determined to be like, you can't 256 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: get information. 257 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 2: Right, That's that's the way the rule is written. Now 258 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 2: Wants to Seed was officially released. We're no longer able 259 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 2: to get any information. We can't talk about it. We 260 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 2: can be on the water. We can't be on the 261 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 2: water with anyone that has ever been on that body 262 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 2: of water, not with us. Is the way the rule 263 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 2: reads up until we can be on the water, up 264 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 2: until thirty days before the tournament started. Me through the 265 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:22,959 Speaker 2: homework process, I basically, I mean we get schedule, and 266 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 2: you know, we've been so many places, and a lot 267 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,439 Speaker 2: of times we go the same place multiple times. Yeah, 268 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 2: so you kind of know, and a lot of times 269 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 2: here lately the schedule has been close to the same 270 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 2: week we've been there, So you kind of got an idea, 271 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 2: so you kind of I'll move that one to the 272 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 2: side for the most part, and then like our newer ones, 273 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 2: is when you just kind of get a feel of 274 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 2: what time of year it's going to be. You know 275 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 2: whether it's going to be prespaon spawn or postponed, and 276 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 2: then you kind of just that's when you start doing 277 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 2: the research. And Okay, at Toledo ben last year in 278 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 2: February there was a Texas Steam Trail tournament that took 279 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 2: thirty five to win, and the top twenty was all 280 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,599 Speaker 2: over twenty five. So you automatically know there you're not 281 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 2: going to go out there looking for twelve to fourteen 282 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 2: pounds a day. So kind of figure out where you 283 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 2: would think the bigger fish of the whole lake live, 284 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 2: which a lot of times is on the lower end 285 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 2: of the lake. Every lake in the country, the bigger 286 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 2: fish live on the lower end of it, and especially 287 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,199 Speaker 2: in the winter times when they tend to bite a 288 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 2: little bit better. So automatically just that quick I've done 289 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,079 Speaker 2: broke down at Teluta Man and we might stay in 290 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 2: this ten mile section of the lower part of the lake. 291 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: The actual practice time, you'll explore the entire body of 292 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 1: water more than where you're getting. 293 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 2: More than likely we get three, we get supposedly three days. 294 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 2: I mean that's how it's laid out, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. 295 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 2: But Wednesdays normally, you know, you're off the water by 296 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 2: three at three or four o'clock less. Some guys fish 297 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:43,839 Speaker 2: till darkf I'm having a bad practice, I'll stay pretty late. 298 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 2: But the later, you know, roll that into Wednesday, you're 299 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 2: not getting in bed till one o'clock in morning. You 300 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 2: got a term it the next day. But I'll try 301 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 2: and normally I'll try and start practice where I think 302 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 2: it's going to go down at or where I need 303 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 2: to be, and if I can kind of get something 304 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 2: going in there. The sale second day is when I'll explore, like, 305 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 2: go as far as I think I need to go, 306 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 2: and if it works out, I mean, if it's good there, 307 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 2: you know, it might end up being better than the 308 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 2: first day of practice. But if it doesn't, then I'll 309 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:11,599 Speaker 2: go back to the first day of practice area and 310 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 2: kind of try and expand on it and just live 311 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 2: and die there most of the huh. 312 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've done a couple of tournaments, like I was 313 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 1: telling you, like, I'm part of the Toyota Series, and 314 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: I've done it as a co in the southerns and 315 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 1: this year I'm going to do the centrals and for 316 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: me breaking down a body of water, it's so different 317 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: when you're a co compared to win throw. Yeah, like 318 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: I gotta go wherever you go. When you have somebody 319 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: who gets in your boat in a co angler situation, 320 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 1: you don't have to worry about that on the elites, 321 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 1: but if you were jumping into jackpot. 322 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 2: Turned Yeah, I fish in toyotas I fished one last year. 323 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 2: I fish. I mean I like fish in the open too. 324 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,959 Speaker 1: What's the mentality of a pro when they have a 325 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: co writing with them from a fishing worried about getting 326 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: them on fish at all? 327 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 2: No, I mean I'm not trying to hinder. I mean 328 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 2: I want him to catch them just as good as 329 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 2: I do. Now does that mean that I'm going to 330 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 2: skip some stuff going down the bank? Probably not. But 331 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:04,439 Speaker 2: if he's able to catch some behind me, that's on me, 332 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 2: Like that's I didn't get those fish to bite. He's like, 333 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 2: And I've never understand the thought process of getting mad 334 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 2: at your co owner for catching them behind you, like 335 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 2: you missed them, Like you had your chance. He's in 336 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 2: the back, You're in the front for a reason, like 337 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 2: you're not supposed to leave him anything, like he shouldn't 338 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 2: catch it. Theoretically, he shouldn't catch anything behind you. Now 339 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 2: he's going to because you're throwing, probably throwing a different bait. 340 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: So are you back boating these guys? 341 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 2: Never? No, I've been back voted before and it's horrible 342 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 2: like it is, and there ain't nothing you can do 343 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 2: about it. 344 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: I was a I did the pro side for the BFLS, 345 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: and I had a co angler. I'll never forget this story. 346 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: And we were going down a bank and I was 347 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: running a crank bait. He was running spinner bait. And 348 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: we got to this bank and I've fished this bank 349 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: numerous times. I've caught really good fish off this bank. 350 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: And there was one isolated piece of wood that I 351 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: knew I wanted to hit, and I threw a crankbait 352 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: around that thing every possible direction we turn. We start 353 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: going up the bank and I'm still fishing. All of 354 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: a sudden, he's like, oop, got one. And I turn 355 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: around and look and he's like, ah, he come off. 356 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: He leaves his bait in the water, it comes back 357 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: and smashes it again. He sets the hook. It was 358 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: a seven pound large mouth off off the I was 359 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: freaking out. I'm like, what do you And he's looking 360 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: at me like what do I do? And I'm like, really, 361 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: really we could talk about it. One yeah, he gets 362 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: it in. I was so happy for the guy. We 363 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: go to weigh in and guys are saying, like, Spence, 364 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: how do you do today? 365 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 2: And and my my. 366 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: Recap is usually pretty good. I got two fish for 367 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: like three pounds. I'm killing it. But but and I said, 368 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: wait until you see what this guy's got in the bag. 369 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: He got big fish for the tournament. He won five 370 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: hundred bucks for that, and he was like, man, thank 371 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: you so much. I'm like, shoe buddy, you did what 372 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: I didn't exactly. 373 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 2: No, I mean, I've had amazing day. I've had a 374 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 2: lot better days on the water with coherence than bad days. 375 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 2: I have had a few bad ones. I've had a 376 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 2: couple of them get mad about me picking a bank apart, 377 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 2: like fishing real slow and like I said, not leaving 378 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 2: them anything. But I mean, I'm there to win. I 379 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 2: want I'm not gonna keep you from being able to fish, 380 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 2: but I'm gonna do everything I can to catch everything 381 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 2: that's there. I mean, that's kind of I mean, that's 382 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 2: how I fish team tournaments like me and my dad. 383 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 2: Me and my dad are probably two of the best 384 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 2: team tournament partners I've ever which I hadn't fished up 385 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 2: with a bunch of people. But I don't try and 386 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 2: leave him anything because if I fish that good and 387 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 2: he's still able to catch some behind me, we're not 388 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 2: leaving anything down that bank. So that's kind of how 389 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 2: that's kind of how we go about it. 390 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: When you're fishing a bank or flipping grass or mats 391 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: or doing anything like that, and you have somebody in 392 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: the back in a team tournament, are you hoping that 393 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: they hit the spots that you didn't or should they 394 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: go right behind where you were and maybe get them 395 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: on the follow up? 396 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 2: No, definitely, And I think that's why me and Dad 397 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 2: fish so good together. Is he he pays attention to 398 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 2: where I flip or cast or whatever, and he's trying 399 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 2: to hit the stuff that I didn't because as many 400 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 2: times as you thought there, you can't hit every angle. No, 401 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 2: and I mean a lot of sometimes I think you 402 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 2: can throw in a place like let's say, the most 403 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 2: high percentage place on the bank. You pitched over there, 404 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 2: and the fish may have been turning the other way 405 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 2: and you like hit him by the tail and he 406 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 2: whipped around and all of a sudden, your bait's out. 407 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 2: Well here comes another one right behind it, which is 408 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 2: the second guy. And I think that's what happens a 409 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 2: lot with co anglers, Like you get the attention of 410 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 2: the fish in the front, and then here comes another 411 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 2: bait by them and they eat it. So a lot 412 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 2: of times it's I mean, it's that's just part of fishing. 413 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: Let's say you're on a spotted bass lakem you uk 414 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: into one, you're bringing it to the boat. You're a 415 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: co angler, takes a fluke or something like that kind 416 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: of tosses it over. Oh maybe a weightless wacky or 417 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: something tosses it over right where you're bringing that fish. 418 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: In spots like the wolf. 419 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 2: Pack, Oh yeah, take you off. No, No, I'm telling 420 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 2: him to throw in there, because I mean, hey, they 421 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 2: may not even may quit biting or something. I fished 422 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 2: the uh I had a good he wasn't. I mean, 423 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 2: we didn't know each other at the time, but I 424 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 2: fished the bfl all American at Kentucky Lake and I 425 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 2: was catching them on a spoon on the big It 426 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 2: was right when the spoon had come out and I 427 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 2: hooked one. It was like a four pounder and I 428 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 2: was bringing to the boat and that was like fifteen 429 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 2: with it, and they were all like the same size, 430 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 2: and he hadn't really caught anything yet, and I'm like 431 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 2: I was. I clicked my button and let it swim 432 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 2: back down. Was like, He's like, due, what are you doing? 433 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 2: I said, dude, throw in there and you like pitches 434 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 2: spinning one like got it by my troll motor. Like 435 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 2: it was just awesome. I've never understood why you want 436 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 2: to like go against your cohin like you're not fishing 437 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 2: against him. 438 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: I've realized that there are a lot of guys that 439 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: fish these tournament trails where you have a co angler 440 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: and they're not a legit pro. They're a pro because 441 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: they're in the front of the boat. They paid that. Yeah, 442 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: I fished better with people that are legit pros, like 443 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: have been there before. Yeah, Like there was a guy 444 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,479 Speaker 1: that I fished with in Florida. He was a pro 445 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 1: in the mid two thousands. In fact, he was on 446 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 1: the team tournaments with Gerald swindle Back in the day 447 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: and he was telling me all these stories and all 448 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. And I'm sitting there fishing with 449 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: this guy and he's helping me break down water because 450 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: I said to him, like, dude, do you mind if 451 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: I cast out here? Is when I got into this, 452 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: right one of the guys that I fish with who 453 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: likes to be a pro, and I was a go yeah. 454 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: He's like, you cut a boat in half, you don't 455 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 1: cast in front of the boat. And I went okay, 456 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 1: So I thought that was the rule, right, So I'm 457 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 1: just fishing out the back of the boat and all 458 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. This guy that I fished with 459 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: in Florida, he was like, no, dude, you can throw 460 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 1: to the front. Yeah, but just don't throw where my 461 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: line is. If we're crossing lines, we're going to have 462 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: a problem. 463 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 464 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: So, as a pro, do you say to these guys 465 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: like here's what I kind of expect, or do you 466 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: just mention it to him as a respect thing while 467 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: you're fishing? 468 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 2: It just kind of I kind of let it play out. 469 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 2: However the day is gonna go. You can kind of irp. 470 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 2: I've done it long enough, even though I'm you know, 471 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 2: I fished as a boater. I've only fished a corner 472 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 2: twice in my life. You kind of get a feel 473 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 2: of how the days won't go within about thirty minutes, 474 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 2: Like if he stands up and he starts firing, like 475 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 2: way up in front of the trolling motor up the bank, 476 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 2: I'm kind of like, I'll say I'll fish for a 477 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 2: little while. He does it two or three times, like, hey, 478 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 2: kind of, I'm gonna slow down a little bit. Let's 479 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 2: just try and pick this apart. I'll ever trying to 480 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 2: be like mean to him. 481 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: I will. 482 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 2: I will say there has been a couple instances where 483 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 2: like if I'm throwing a frog or a swim trig 484 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 2: or something, I throw over there and miss one. I've 485 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 2: had a couple of them that are real aggressive, like 486 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 2: try and get right in there behind me, and I 487 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,199 Speaker 2: will say I've said something. Normally I'll let one slide, 488 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 2: but the second one, I'm like, hey, I'm won't. If 489 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 2: I'm won't try, I'm at least throwing there one more 490 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 2: time if you don't mind, Oh yeah, man, it's fine. 491 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 2: It's fine. And I don't think they're doing it on purpose, 492 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 2: like maliciously or nothing. They're just I mean they're there 493 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 2: to catch them too. 494 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: They're excited to try. Yeah. 495 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think a lot of times like you 496 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 2: don't think about what's going on. You're like, man, there's 497 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 2: one there, I'm gonna throw over there, like real quick. 498 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: A lot of people have brought up the copro thing 499 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: and one of the things that I've heard a lot 500 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: of people mention. And I don't necessarily disagree with it. 501 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: I'm not on board one way or the other. But 502 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: pros and most of these tournaments they're allowed five fish. 503 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: It's hard as a code to try to get five 504 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: good fish. 505 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely. 506 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: I actually don't disagree with some people saying that the 507 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 1: coast side needs to be three fish. 508 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 2: I think it should always be three regardless of the opens, 509 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 2: the toyotas, the bfls like, like you said, file is 510 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 2: hard hard to get to. I mean, it really is. 511 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:15,360 Speaker 2: And the next thing is, I mean we have these 512 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 2: I mean, I know the boaters that got file fish 513 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 2: in there, but you got ten fish in a live 514 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 2: well like especially in the summertime. I mean, I would 515 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 2: even think going to three fish on the boater side 516 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 2: because it's different if you're by yourself, because you can 517 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,239 Speaker 2: split the fish up and you know you got your 518 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 2: driver's side live on your passenger side. 519 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: I mean when you got if they're separated, right, it's 520 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: not every live well has that separation, Like. 521 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 2: Mine's separated, but it's just a divider, like it's still 522 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 2: the same, right, So, and I think it goes a 523 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 2: little bit better if they are truly separated, because you're 524 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 2: not losing all that oxygen to ten fish instead of five. 525 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, like if Phoenix has individual. 526 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 2: Live right well, yeah, like it's like fiberglass in between. 527 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,719 Speaker 2: See mine's got holes in it. So it's actually all 528 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 2: the same water for the most part. So you got 529 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 2: ten fish dealing. And I understand the capacity the water's 530 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 2: a little more, but even in the summertime, I think 531 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 2: they should drop it down to three for both sides. 532 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: I was out at a ramp recently and a guy 533 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 1: was asking me if I was going to fish any 534 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: of the night tournaments and I was like, nah, man, 535 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: until they start going to three fish when it's really hot, 536 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: I have no interest in doing it. And he started 537 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: talking to me. He was like, you know, I don't 538 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: understand why they don't do that. I wish that some 539 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: dnrs would get involved and say like, hey, if you're 540 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 1: going to do a tournament, but then they can't because 541 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: you're still giving your daily quota of what you're allowed. 542 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 1: And most of the time that most of the time 543 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: there's way more fish in the bodies of water that 544 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: you fish then really need to be there for it 545 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 1: to be a healthy fishery. 546 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but it just your survival right has to 547 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 2: go up with three fish with the water above ninety degrees, 548 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 2: I mean, and not even like, oh if you get 549 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:48,959 Speaker 2: two more, put two more in there, those two are 550 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 2: gonna die. Well. I mean, it's not really that, but 551 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 2: you have a lot better odds of three living than 552 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 2: all five living. 553 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: And I love some of the things that guys do 554 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: in their live wells to keep their fish alive. I'm 555 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: a big fan of buying and some ice and throwing 556 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 1: a bag ice in there and keeping it cool. These 557 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: new boats that are out there, I mean, what is 558 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: it the icon boat where it's got the live well 559 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 1: water management system so it regulates the temperature that's in there. 560 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 2: I haven't seen that. I haven't looked into that boat. 561 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: Apparently it's a big metal plate. If I'm getting this 562 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: fright in it, and I might not be, but there's 563 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: a way where that plate keeps the water cooler. And 564 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 1: if that's the case, dude, that's brilliant. That that might 565 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: be one of the best pieces of technology that a 566 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: bass boat can have, because that's the big fear of 567 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: anybody in the South, in the Southeast, is trying to 568 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 1: keep their live wells chill. 569 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And I mean, like I have a company 570 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 2: that I work with is Fish Live Fish Care Products, 571 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 2: and we have the you know, the live ol treatment. 572 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 2: But one of the key things that I don't think 573 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 2: a lot of people do or they want to do, 574 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 2: what they're kind of scared to, is keep your live 575 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 2: well clean. We have a live well cleaner that's you know, 576 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 2: it's completely safe. I've used it for you know, five 577 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 2: or six years, never had a problem, and it's better 578 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 2: than you know just I mean, if you see your 579 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 2: live wail after four or five terms, it is discussed 580 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 2: nasty and like all that stuff gets built up and 581 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 2: then like that's a really good deal. The ice is 582 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 2: a good thing. I don't use ice a lot just 583 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 2: because of the way I fish. I fish you two 584 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 2: foot deeper, shallower, especially in the summertime and I feel 585 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 2: like those fish are living in that ninety degree water. 586 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 2: And I have back when my younger years, when I 587 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 2: was naive, I put some ice on some shallow fish 588 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 2: and it's shocked them likest like my, well, that don't 589 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 2: make no sense. And then you get thinking like they 590 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 2: live in that stuff. It's not all you caught them 591 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 2: out a thirday. Now those deep fish, that's a whole 592 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 2: different deal. But the ice is good. Keep your liveels clean. 593 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 2: It's huge. Are doing the thing I do up north, 594 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:42,439 Speaker 2: I do in the rough water, and. 595 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 1: I this is that because of the fish kind of 596 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 1: bouncing around. 597 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want them hitting the top. I've heard 598 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 2: some horror stories about you know, how you have the 599 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 2: latch for your life. I've heard some horror stories about 600 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 2: you know, the fish hitting that. And the main thing 601 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 2: in some rough water it doesn't have to be up north, 602 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,120 Speaker 2: is plug your live weales, fill them all the way 603 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 2: or almost all the way up and have you don't 604 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 2: have to be pull noodles. I mean, it can be 605 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 2: any kind of foam top deal. But you need something 606 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 2: if you're gonna be in those big waves. 607 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, uh the phoenix that I have the 608 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: nine to twenty pro XP. It's got a piece of 609 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: foam insulation that sits on top of the live well 610 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: so it keeps them from bouncing up. But I know 611 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: a lot of guys that run Phoenix that still do 612 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: the pool noodle thing. I haven't done it. I joked 613 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: the other day because somebody was like, how do you 614 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: guys keep your live wells full of water? And how 615 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,719 Speaker 1: do you do this? I go, I've never even used them. 616 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 1: I don't catch nearly enough fish to have a worry 617 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: about live wells. 618 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 2: The main thing, even if you don't have noodles, the 619 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 2: main thing is to have enough water in there, like 620 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 2: fill it all the way up so they're not literally 621 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 2: like coming out of the water bouncing. 622 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, because it's like it's it's almost like it's 623 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 1: a sealed thing. 624 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. Yeah, but because they're able to swim, I mean, 625 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 2: they'll still move around a little bit, but that if 626 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 2: you've got air in there, man, that they're able to 627 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 2: just you know, it's like a washing machine. 628 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: I'm at the point right now where in the Southeast 629 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: a lot of the water is starting to kind of 630 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 1: go more into that fall transition. Like we've had a 631 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: couple of cooler nights, and that's for me, a strong 632 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: indication of when we're getting into that fall pattern is 633 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: when you start to walk outside and you can smell. 634 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 2: How cold it is to go deer hunts. 635 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: What is Yeah, that's the thing is Normally I'm sitting 636 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 1: there like, well, I'm about. 637 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 2: Ready to throw on some cats exactly right. 638 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,479 Speaker 1: I was talking to a buddy of mine the other 639 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: day because we're getting our plans set up for what 640 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: weekends we're really gonna hunt because we college football and 641 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. You know, there's not every 642 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: available saturday that I'm out hunting. But we were talking 643 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,239 Speaker 1: about the other day, and I remember I walked out 644 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: that morning and I was like, oh man, I'm like, yeah, 645 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: we need to go now get the sandy. Exactly How 646 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: pumped are you? I know you were working on your 647 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 1: farm in Tennessee. I was. I was. 648 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 2: I went and did some skids steer work on some 649 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 2: stuff up at a least in Tennessee, and I got 650 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 2: a little piece that I rent right here or not 651 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 2: rent at least by the house. I'm excited about both. 652 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 2: I got some I got too big deer on both places. 653 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 2: Now I'm a big hunter and I I don't know, 654 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 2: I like, what are you shooting? Uh an older? I 655 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 2: just actually got to Matthew's. I was shooting a Z seven. 656 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 2: I just bought a Z seven Extreme. I just like 657 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 2: the solo camps. I don't know why, Like I've tried 658 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 2: to shoot a newer one, the newer models like the 659 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 2: v all the V's and of the Matthews, And I 660 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 2: don't know. I just like those older bows, but they 661 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 2: shoot better than me. My buddy got me shooting them. 662 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 2: He's a lot better deer than I am. But I 663 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 2: don't know. I just I just want to go hang 664 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 2: some lineum lock ons and like it's it's getting real close, 665 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 2: like they've already they're already hard horned up there at 666 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 2: the lease in Tennessee, Like it's heck. I think the 667 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 2: season opens in like four or five days. 668 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: I love a good velvet season. Though. I'm gonna go 669 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: to Kentucky with an outfitter that I've known for a 670 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: long time, Diamond Waite tails mm hmm, and I'm gonna 671 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: hunt up there at the tail end of October. And 672 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 1: then I know in Alabama, which is where you and 673 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: I both live. You know, the rut isn't until oh god, yeah, 674 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: januine next year. I mean it's it's almost like I've 675 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: never even seen a rut that is this far behind. 676 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty. And what's crazy about Alabama? And it 677 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 2: might be that way in different states as well. I 678 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 2: haven't hunted many it can. You can go twenty miles 679 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 2: and it'd be completely different state. Is unreal, man, it 680 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 2: seems like it's way later here. 681 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 1: Like even when I lived in Georgia, there were pockets 682 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 1: of Georgia that you know, for most people, the rut 683 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: in Georgia was happening early to mid November. 684 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 2: My Thanksgiving, yeah before that. 685 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: Like my sweet spot of hunting is November eleventh. Yeah, 686 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: that is my jam. In most places, I'll be in 687 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: the middle of the rut. I can see good buck 688 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: activity and good rut activity. Even when I lived in 689 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: Virginia it was the same thing. So November eleventh has 690 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: always kind of been my thing. Move with Alabama that 691 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, no, they might still be in velvet 692 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: by November. 693 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've killed a I killed a deer middle 694 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 2: of January that was still in velvet. Was kind of 695 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 2: an anomaly, but no, normally around where I believe I've 696 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 2: killed three that. 697 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: I got clid buck. Was it one that doesn't create 698 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: enough testosterone to shed? 699 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 2: He I think he had had an injury. 700 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: Uh. 701 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 2: I took him to the tax of the armis. He 702 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 2: thought like, I just took him hold just to see 703 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 2: what the deal was. He thinks he had whether jumping 704 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 2: a ball, bar fence or you know, a limb, got 705 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 2: you know in his reproductive organs deal and it just 706 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 2: because they didn't have any Yeah, so it wasn't a 707 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 2: dough but he didn't have like there was nothing there. 708 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: So there are things like, uh, there are things called 709 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna say it wrong, but it's like a 710 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: chick liid buck or something like that. And it's because 711 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: their testicles don't drop so they can't create enough testosterone 712 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: to where the testicles are still in the body. But 713 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: they just didn't didn't drop down. And what ends up 714 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: happening is they rarely even shed. 715 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 2: No, they just keep growing. 716 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: They'll just grow. But it looks like a mass them 717 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: and it's covered in velvet and the whole deal like 718 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: it's actually it's it's really sad because part of you 719 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: thinks maybe something's really wrong with this deer, and I 720 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: mean they live relatively normal, but they'll never reproduce no, 721 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: so it's a good coalbuck to take. 722 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 2: No absolutely, And like you said, he'll just keep growing, 723 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 2: like his horn will stop never stop growing. 724 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: But he doesn't look like a typical that everybody is like, wow, 725 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: this thing's insane, like it it gets so gnarly and. 726 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 2: They kind of like drooped down on their face. This 727 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 2: one wasn't that. This one was a four point it was. 728 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 2: I mean, it was a big deer, but it's horns 729 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 2: didn't have a lot of mass out to the tip, 730 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 2: but on his basis like where you were talking about, 731 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 2: like it was just like bulged out, like where you 732 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 2: could tell it was wanting to just like kind of 733 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 2: just mushroom out. 734 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: But it's amazing how many people that I've educated on 735 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: hunting and they asked me about like they keep saying 736 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: deer horns there and and I'm like, they're they're antler, 737 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: they are, And they're like, what's the difference between antler 738 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: and a horn. Well, horn stays on the animal and 739 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: grows over the time they're little, and antler falls off 740 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: every year. People are shocked when they find out that moose, 741 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: elk and deer up their antlers every year and we grow. 742 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: Can you imagine that having us in some case like 743 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: every year we just lose it and then bigger next year. 744 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 2: So like three months of the year we're walking around 745 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 2: with the nerves sticking out with some fuzzy stuff like 746 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 2: some velvet. You know, it's all in some cases as a. 747 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: Guy that's probably not the worst of the world. It 748 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 1: falls off for like yeah, and then grows bigger. Sign 749 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: up for that. Oh man, I hear well, dear season 750 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: is starting for a lot of people. Definitely be safe. 751 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: Are you wearing a harness when you go up? 752 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 2: Yeah? I wear I wear a hunter safety system. Like 753 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 2: I said, I'll hunt out of a millennium lock ons. 754 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 2: I do the safety line from the so as soon 755 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 2: as you you know, get off the ground, you're hooked 756 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 2: to it. Riley does the same thing. She hunts when 757 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 2: a lot of times we sit on like double sets, 758 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 2: because she mean, she likes to hunt lot. She's kill 759 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 2: a lot better killer than I am. I can tell 760 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 2: you that they just show up when she walks out. 761 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: I might. What isn't it range like if you take 762 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: a girl hunting that doesn't really hunt a Live just 763 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: likes to go every once in a while they see 764 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: way more animals. 765 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, out you'll go out there, This is easy. Yeah, 766 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 2: what do you get so strong? I'm like, you have 767 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 2: no idea. I've been out here for two weeks and 768 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 2: i ain't seen and like if we just walk out 769 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 2: there and get out of the truck and they're just 770 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 2: running around like a zoo, I'm like, oh my god, 771 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 2: it's so great. 772 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: Uh. West Logan is joining me as we do every 773 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: single episode. It's lines in times. Make sure you follow 774 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: both of us on Instagram, mister Spencer Graves, West Logan 775 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: Fishing