1 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to a brand spank and new 2 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:14,159 Speaker 1: edition of Cardinal Territory. Met Holiday and Lancelin are out 3 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: doing what wealthy folks doing their free time. But I'm here. 4 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: I'm Jim Hayes. Kyle Gibson is here and we have 5 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: a special guest, Ryan Helsley, joins Cardinal Territory today. 6 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 2: Hello, Ryan, what's up? 7 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on, and yeah, welcome. My first 8 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: question is this, It's great to see you. By the way, 9 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 1: you set records as the closer with the Cardinals, right, 10 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: and you go to New York Trade and you're the 11 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: setup guy and suddenly the role that you've flourished and 12 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: set the franchise record for saves is changed. So my 13 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: question is how much of an impact did that have 14 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 1: on what happened in New York. 15 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously, you know I got traded in New York. 16 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 3: Going into it, I knew I was wasn't gonna be 17 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 3: the closer. You know, they have a guy there who's 18 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 3: been pretty stinking good his whole career too, and you know, 19 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 3: has a lot of talent and had a great year, 20 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 3: and so I knew I was gonna kind of be 21 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 3: a guy in that sixth seventh eighth inning slot. And 22 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 3: you know, had a great conversation with Mindy when I 23 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 3: got there and the coaching staff, and you know, so 24 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 3: I know my role was there's a little bit of adjustment, 25 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 3: you know, figuring out your new you know, time slots 26 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 3: to get ready and things like that. 27 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 4: But uh, you know, overall, I felt I felt great. 28 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 3: There, and you know, the coach staff was great, and 29 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 3: you know, my time there was good. As a player, 30 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 3: you know, I could have done some things a little better, 31 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 3: but uh, you know, I enjoyed my time there with 32 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 3: the coaching staff and the players. 33 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 5: Hell's getting traded in the middle of the season, did it? 34 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 6: Twenty one? 35 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 5: Traded to a contender, right, you know, traded to Philly. 36 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 5: We're trying to make the playoffs. And I know the 37 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 5: tough thing for me was I had a couple of 38 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 5: stars where I threw well, really down the stretch. I 39 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 5: didn't throw how I wanted to throw. And it's frustrating, Right, 40 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 5: you get brought to a team and you're this guy 41 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,839 Speaker 5: that's hopefully going to make a difference. How'd that wear 42 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 5: on you? How'd you deal with it? And I know 43 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 5: the guys are greater that I'm sure. I know Jeremy Helfner, 44 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 5: he's a stud. But you know, how is overall that 45 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 5: transition to a new team, because I know, you know, 46 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,839 Speaker 5: in our conversations in twenty four, you know, I think 47 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 5: we were hoping that Ryan Helsey was a Cardinals whole career, right, 48 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 5: So you know, how how was that transition and and 49 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 5: you know how is that time with Heffner and those guys. 50 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I for sure wanted to be a 51 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 3: Cardinal the whole time I was there. That's all I 52 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 3: ever knew, you know, I was there are parts of 53 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 3: eleven years, you know, seven years in the big leagues 54 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 3: and four years in the minor leagues. 55 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 4: And. 56 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 3: You know, there's I've had a lot of trade talks 57 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 3: about my career there, and you know where we were 58 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 3: currently at before the trade downline, you know, just felt 59 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 3: that that's what the Cardinals were going to do. So 60 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 3: I think I saw the riding on the wall, you know, 61 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,239 Speaker 3: like it wasn't a total shop and I got traded. 62 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 4: So I think that helped. 63 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 3: But you know, being there in New York, the guys there, 64 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 3: you know, I had a lot of fun. 65 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 4: And like you said, trying to you know, make a difference. 66 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 3: You know, I don't know that I put any more 67 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 3: pressure on myself, but I definitely expected a lot more 68 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 3: of myself, you know while I was there, and you know, 69 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 3: felt felt good. You know, I was healthy. Just obviously 70 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 3: the results were bad. You know, started out good and 71 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 3: had a tough four to five weeks stretch there and 72 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 3: end of the year pretty well. But yeah, it's just 73 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 3: it's just a weird feeling being on such a good team, 74 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 3: you know, and you're making a push, and you know, 75 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 3: that's probably the most talent I've I've had on a team. 76 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 3: You know, talked to bottom, especially in a bullpen. You know, 77 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 3: I was I was the youngest guy in the bullpen, 78 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 3: which is crazy to say. I'd never seen it. You know, 79 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 3: I was really thirty thirty one years old, and I 80 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 3: think I was the youngest guy in the bullpen. So 81 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 3: we had a super vet bullpen, you know, guys that 82 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 3: pitched the World Series and all this and that. So 83 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 3: that was cool to learn from those guys. And you know, 84 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 3: see baseball through a different lens. And you know, such 85 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 3: a big market in New York, and I mean the 86 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 3: fans are great, you know, they're super dedicated they're probably 87 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 3: a lot like Philly fans as you know, you've you've 88 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 3: experienced that, you know n L East rivalry and the 89 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 3: crowds there, and. 90 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 4: You know it'll be it'll be exciting to see what 91 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:14,119 Speaker 4: they do this year. 92 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 3: And but overall, you know, I really enjoyed my time 93 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 3: there huge. 94 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 5: Well, Jim, Jim, you told me I'm asking questions today, 95 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 5: all right, you know. 96 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 2: We're going back and forth. 97 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 5: Oh, okay, go ahead, Jim, Yeah you're fine. No, you go, 98 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 5: you go go, uh the real quick and then I'll 99 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 5: let Jim ask a question. Tell me about the different 100 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 5: What do you like about New York? I mean, obviously 101 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 5: you've been there multiple times, but you know, how do 102 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 5: you how did you get acclimated? 103 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 6: What do you and the family do you know? 104 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 5: I'm I'm a big fan of a pizza place over 105 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 5: there in Brooklyn that's a little bit closer to Queens. 106 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 5: But tell me, tell me what you guys did and 107 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 5: how'd you like that? 108 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, we didn't ever get to make it over there. 109 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 3: I really tried, but traffic in New York a different beast. 110 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 3: And you know, we only had a couple off days 111 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 3: while I was there, and I think we only had 112 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 3: like one off day. 113 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 4: While we were at home. 114 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 3: But yeah, the traffic in New York is definitely makes 115 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 3: you think twice about your plans every day, you know. 116 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 6: Especially on an off day. 117 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 3: You're like, I'm gonna spend half my day trying to 118 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 3: get here and get there. And you know, we lived 119 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 3: out on Long Island near Garden City and it wasn't 120 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 3: too bad. It was definitely different, you know, a lot 121 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 3: different than Saint Louis. And you know, I think overall that, 122 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 3: you know, if we were to be able to pick 123 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 3: a place to live, you know, for a full season, 124 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 3: you know, getting traded during the middle year and trying 125 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 3: to find a place to live is just so hectic 126 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 3: and it's really hard when you have a family and 127 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 3: you got to I mean you've experienced like you got 128 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 3: to move everything, and you know, it's just there's so 129 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 3: many things that people don't think about that you have 130 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 3: to deal with, and. 131 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 4: You know, it's it was just a hectic time. But 132 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 4: I really enjoyed it there. 133 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 3: And you know, we had an off day there and 134 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 3: we took the family out to Central Park and got 135 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 3: to do some you know, bluey stuff for the daughters, 136 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,919 Speaker 3: and I think my oldest daughter. She got to go 137 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 3: to Danny go. She got to watch him in concert. 138 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 3: You know, I think they skipped the game one day 139 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 3: game went and watched Danny go downtown in Manhattan. 140 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 4: So my daughter loved the city. You know. 141 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 3: She every time she would see the skyline, she's like, 142 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 3: we're going to the city. 143 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 4: So she she had a blast. 144 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 3: And you know, overall, I think our experience is pretty good. 145 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 4: Yeah. 146 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 2: No, I have a two part question. I say two 147 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 2: to let. 148 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 6: It's two questions. Okay, that's about right. 149 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: Yle Kyle Gibson as a teammate, was he as bossy 150 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: as he is as a member of this podcast. 151 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 3: Teammate No Give You was one of my I think 152 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 3: favorite teammates of all time. And me and Kyle on 153 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 3: the road once we got to know each other a 154 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 3: little more because obviously we only played together for one year. 155 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 3: But you know, every day on the road, unless one 156 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 3: of us slept in, we'd go get coffee together, we'd 157 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 3: walk around whatever city we were in. So those will 158 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 3: be memories that I always hold on to. And you know, 159 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 3: something I tried to carry over you know, this year, 160 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 3: and because it's fun, you know, spending time with your 161 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 3: teammates and getting to know them, and you know, you 162 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 3: spend way more time with them than you do with 163 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 3: your families throughout the course of the years, So just 164 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 3: trying to build that bond, and you know, Gibby's going 165 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 3: to be up on my list for a long time. 166 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: Now, I'm going to stipulate that you guys are both pitchers, 167 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: and I'm a mediocre broadcaster that really doesn't understand the 168 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: nuances of this. 169 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 2: So help me with this if you would. 170 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: Ryan, Okay, I know from interviewing guys like Izzy over 171 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: the years that being a closer, there's a certain mental preparation. 172 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: There is a certain mentality that you have to have. 173 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: So my question to you is, I know you, and 174 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: I know you want to say all the right things, 175 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: but how much of a mental change did you have 176 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: to make going from the guy at the end of 177 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: the game, the guy who's going to get the ball 178 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: to put the win in the win column, and then 179 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: transition that to being a setup guy where you're not 180 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: exactly sure you know when you're coming in. 181 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 2: How much of a mental change did you have to make? 182 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely a lot different, you know, like you're 183 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 3: so as a closer. Kind of weird to say, but 184 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 3: throughout the season you're so routine oriented. You know, you 185 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 3: have everything you do inning by inning, you know, you 186 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 3: start doing Like for me, I would go to the 187 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 3: training room as soon as the game started, and innings 188 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 3: one through four, I was doing all my prep in 189 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 3: there and try to get to the bullpen by the 190 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 3: fifth inning, you know, sit there for one inning. Sixth inning, 191 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 3: I'm starting my stretch routine with the thera gun. Seventh inning, 192 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 3: I'm doing movements, you know. Eighth inning, I'm doing my band. 193 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 3: So like you have your so regimen as a closer, 194 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 3: and I think that helps you kind of get locked 195 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 3: in and keep your focus, you know, because as a closer, 196 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 3: you know your role is really defined, and you know, 197 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 3: I'm either throwing if the game's tied or for up 198 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 3: by three, you know, maybe four if I haven't pitched 199 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 3: in a few days. But as a setup guy, it's like, 200 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 3: you know, I could throw the fifth or sixth. I 201 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 3: might get hot twice today and maybe we go up 202 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 3: by five or sixth. 203 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 4: And the ninth and now I have the ninth, you know. 204 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 3: So it's definitely a lot different and there's a lot 205 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 3: more you know, peaks and valleys out there. 206 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 4: I think as a setup guy. And you know, with 207 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 4: my time. 208 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 3: In New York, it not that I forgot what a 209 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 3: setup guy was like, but it made me have more 210 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 3: of an appreciation for what those guys do day in 211 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 3: and day out and kind of what they deal with 212 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 3: on a daily basis. And you know, just constantly having 213 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 3: to stay ready and you know, be ready for when 214 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 3: the phone rings. 215 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 4: But I think, you know. 216 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 3: That's also a fun part of it, is kind of 217 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 3: always living life on the edge. You know, you're just 218 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 3: you know, sitting there itching ready for a moment's notice 219 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 3: and you hear your name, you know, and you shoot up. 220 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 3: And but it's definitely it's definitely a lot different going 221 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 3: from that closure role to you know, being a guy 222 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 3: that could throw from innings five through nine. 223 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 5: You know, all right, so Jim's gonna ask all the 224 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,439 Speaker 5: baseball questions, you know, just typically guy here trying to 225 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 5: get baseball inside. What the that's perfect great timing. What's 226 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 5: the coffee you got this morning? What's your coffee spot? 227 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 5: You're on the West coast right now, you know, where'd 228 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 5: you go this morning? Because like how said, you know, 229 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 5: we we did a lot of coffee runs in the morning, 230 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 5: kind of getting our day started. And definitely some of 231 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 5: my favorite times in my career from twenty twenty four 232 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 5: was was doing that and finding those coffee shops. So 233 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 5: where'd you go this morning? And what's getting ready for 234 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 5: this golf match? 235 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 3: So this is called a place called Fairgrounds. It's up 236 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 3: here in Beverly Hills. It's pretty good. I think it's 237 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 3: more of I don't really know like my roast yet. 238 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 3: It tastes a little darker. I just know if I 239 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 3: like it, if it tastes good, you know, it's a 240 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 3: solid I'll give it like an eight out of ten. 241 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 3: Not my favorite, but it's getting the job done, you know. 242 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,199 Speaker 3: And I'm thinking, what the I was thinking? What the 243 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 3: quad shot here? Gibby got me on that you talk 244 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 3: about used to be a flavored guy, you know, get 245 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 3: some vanilla surf from there. But you know, I grew 246 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 3: up a little bit and leaned myself off all the 247 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 3: flavorings and sugars, So enjoying the coffee flavor a little bit. 248 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 6: You know, it does happen everybody. 249 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 5: Everybody grows up at some point else and then you start, 250 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 5: you know, drinking your straight gasoline in the morning. 251 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 6: So that's good fair ground. That's a unique name. I 252 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 6: like that. 253 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 4: I like that. 254 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 5: And what was so in your time in New York? 255 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 5: You know, we went to a couple but we were 256 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 5: in uh, you know, we were more. 257 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 6: In the city. 258 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 5: What are those spots that you found where you guys lived, 259 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 5: Did you find a good one? 260 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, we would go to play I think it was 261 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 3: go with the place we went to common grounds. 262 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 6: Or common grounds. 263 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,439 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's the one pup of black Fox as well 264 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 5: in New York then too. 265 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, we went to the common grounds. It was south 266 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 4: of Garden City. 267 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 2: Cool. 268 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 3: So every every morning we do that and go find 269 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 3: a playground, you know, for the girls to play on 270 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 3: and just get out of the house and spend. 271 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 4: Some family time together. 272 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 3: But you know, when I got to New York, I 273 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 3: think my caffeine then take like Triple Dude. 274 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 4: They had they. 275 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 3: Hadn't They had the law Marzaco. You've seen that brand, right, 276 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 3: like all the coffee brands, the Italian brands. So they 277 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 3: had the really nice like home set ups in the 278 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 3: weight room and. 279 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 4: They traveled with one on the road. 280 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 3: So it was like you just had the best coffee 281 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 3: at your fingertips all day long, So like, how could 282 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 3: you not just ingest a thousand milligrams of coffee, you know, 283 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 3: every single day, So I was especially caffeinated my time 284 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 3: in New York. 285 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 1: You are watching Coffee Talk on this edition of Cardinal Territory, 286 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: And since I have control, I'm going to fire out 287 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: a quick question here, Ryan, you're a free agent. Now, 288 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: what's that process like for you? Like, how does that work? 289 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: Does your agent like give you updates that you're getting 290 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: a nibble here? How does that work? And what's it 291 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: been like for you? 292 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty pretty surreal to be here, you know, 293 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 3: I know it's a blessing and not a whole lot 294 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 3: of players get to experience free agency, you know. So 295 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 3: I'm definitely excited and you know, thankful, and you know, 296 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 3: my agent will text me, you know, every other day, 297 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 3: maybe because I think the GM meetings are going on 298 00:12:58,360 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 3: right now. 299 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 4: So talks and stuff have picked up a little. 300 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 3: Bit, and you know, I like to I've called it 301 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 3: windows shopping so far. You know, it's like, you know, 302 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 3: teams will say they like you, and but there's no 303 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 3: there's hasn't been you know, real numbers talk or anything 304 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 3: like that. Yet, which you know, I think that'll obviously 305 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 3: pick up, you know, as the off season goes on. 306 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 3: And but overall, it's it's pretty cool, you know, it's 307 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 3: it's a it's crazy to be here in this moment, 308 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 3: you know, to be here seven years down the road 309 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 3: and you know, have an opportunity to you know, hopefully 310 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 3: have an opportunity to pick pick where you play, and 311 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 3: you know, have multiple options. 312 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 2: What uh. 313 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 5: You know one thing that Brian Doser told me kind 314 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 5: of going into my last year in Minnesota, he had 315 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 5: just become a free agent. He's like, Gibby, don't be 316 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 5: afraid of free agency, like, you know, enjoy the process. 317 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 6: Take it in. 318 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 5: I was fortunate to go through it a few times. 319 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 5: How how are you and the family dealing with it? 320 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 5: You know, what are those conversations? You don't have to 321 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 5: let us in on all of it, obviously, but you know, 322 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 5: it is an exciting time. But I mean, I know, 323 00:13:57,880 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 5: especially for me last year, a little bit you know 324 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 5: set in as time went on and I didn't have 325 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 5: a job. It's like, man, all right, maybe this is 326 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 5: maybe this is it now. Obviously you're not going to 327 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 5: be in that situation, but you know, are you guys 328 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 5: kind of just waiting on a little bit of you know, 329 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 5: what are these opportunities or or do you guys kind 330 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 5: of have you know, those talks of man, we'd really 331 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 5: like to be here with that group. 332 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's natural to want to be somewhere, 333 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 3: but I also think, you know, for me, I'm trying 334 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 3: to go into it as open minded and like willing 335 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 3: to play anywhere, you know, so you're not like, you know, 336 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 3: just harden to if you don't go to the place 337 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 3: you want to go to, so to say. So really 338 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 3: just going into as an open mind, you know. And 339 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 3: it's an exciting time, and you know, a lot of 340 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 3: a lot of teams that are looking for back end 341 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 3: guys or bigger market teams. So you know, I think 342 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 3: a lot of that stuff is exciting and appealing to 343 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 3: my my wife and daughter who loved the Big Apple 344 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 3: City she called it in New York. So selfically, you know, 345 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 3: I'd love to stay close to home, you know, like Texas, 346 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 3: maybe Reunion with the Cardinals, you know, Kansas City, just 347 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 3: because I have a lot of family members who like 348 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 3: to travel. 349 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 4: And obviously the further. 350 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 3: You are away from Oklahoma, it's a little harder to 351 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 3: travel and a little more expensive than driving. So but 352 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 3: obviously I'm open to plane, you know, anywhere, and you know, 353 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 3: I just want to compete. 354 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: Are you Are you hoping that the Cardinals come and 355 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: call him? By the way, the kids say, they call 356 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: it getting the bag, So wherever you end up, you're 357 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: getting the bag. 358 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 2: But are you hopeful? 359 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 4: Jim? 360 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 5: I apologize he does this to Lance and Matt and 361 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 5: sometimes me more of those guys because they have a 362 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 5: bigger bag than I have, So I mean they he 363 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 5: does this to everybody every show. So I apologize that 364 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 5: he does this, all right, go ahead. 365 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: Because because I'm because I'm I'm I'm jealous. But is 366 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: that is that in your mind a uh a reab 367 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: possible reality that the Cardinals start, as you say, windows shopping, 368 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: maybe kicking the tires on a return. 369 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 3: I think I expect them to reach out, you know, 370 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 3: I think I don't know if it'll be you know, serious, 371 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 3: but maybe to check in and you know, kind of 372 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 3: gauge the waters, so to speak. And you know, I 373 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 3: had a good talk with him after I was I 374 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 3: was traded, and you know, it was really encouraging the 375 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 3: possibly maybe you know, coming back there, and you know, 376 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 3: obviously things changed. That was three months ago, but you know, 377 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 3: you know, I really enjoyed my time getting to know 378 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 3: how m a little bit and think that the Cardinals 379 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 3: future is in really good hands with him. 380 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 5: So let's let's dive into some of that Cardinals time, right, 381 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 5: you know, this is Cardinals territory, so I guess you know, 382 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 5: Jim probably wouldn't be too happy if we don't bring 383 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 5: up the Cardinals other than possibly coming back. But you know, 384 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 5: what were some of those moments with the Cardinals of standout? 385 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 5: I mean you, like you said, seven seasons, sub three 386 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 5: all Stars, I mean just just you accomplished just about everything, right, 387 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 5: So you know, tell us about that time in Saint Louis. 388 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 5: What are you gonna remember most if you know, for 389 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 5: any reason, you know that reunion doesn't happen at some point. 390 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think obviously, you know, my rookie year stands out. 391 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 3: You know, obviously it's everything's so new that year, and 392 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 3: you know, we made it to the NLCS, so we 393 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 3: you know, made a deep playoff run. Obviously we got 394 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 3: swept by the Nats, but you know, we made the 395 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 3: playoffs my first four years, and it's. 396 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 4: Kind of crazy as to play. 397 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 3: You kind of take that for granted sometimes then when 398 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 3: you don't make it a couple of times, you realize 399 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 3: how hard it really is to make the postseason, even 400 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 3: with so many teams getting in. Now, you know, the 401 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 3: league is just so competitive, and you know, I think 402 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 3: the talent gap is probably the smallest it's ever been, 403 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 3: and it's just you know, things like that, you know, 404 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 3: make the game fun and making the playoffs is just 405 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 3: a surreal feeling. And you know, obviously, I think twenty 406 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 3: two stands out was the first year I really kind 407 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 3: of stepped onto the scene and you know, pitched hot 408 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 3: wanted too and kind of became you know, Ryan Helsley 409 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 3: to the baseball world, and you know, through immaculate inning 410 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 3: that year, I got to play with Albert Yachti and Wino, 411 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 3: So that season is always super special. And you know, 412 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 3: we come to the NL Central that year, and you know, 413 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 3: one of my favorite pictures is when we clinched in 414 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 3: Milwaukee with Wayne O, Yachty and Hour. You know, just 415 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 3: kind of the pillars of Cardinals baseball the last twenty 416 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 3: plus years. And you know, guys, I grew up watching 417 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 3: so that you know, I felt like a kid in 418 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 3: that moment, just to you know, and a fan, you know, 419 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 3: being a part of that team and you know, just 420 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 3: getting to sit there and you know, just kind of 421 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 3: cherish that and take it all in. 422 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 4: And then you know, the longer you get to. 423 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 3: Play, you know, it's like you don't want to admit 424 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 3: that you're getting older, that old guy in the locker room, 425 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 3: you know. But like it's like every time you show 426 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 3: up the spring, it's like in twenty three, like Dang 427 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 3: Yachty's not here, Alburt's not here, you know, and then 428 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 3: twenty four, Wayno's not here. So it was it's pretty crazy, 429 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 3: and also the blessing obviously the longer you play, but 430 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 3: in twenty four is obviously really special too, just you know, 431 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 3: getting to pitch all year and having forty nine saves 432 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 3: and just being a part of, you know, such a 433 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 3: storied franchise with so many good players, and you know, 434 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 3: there's there's a lot in there to to really take 435 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 3: in and you know, to hold on. 436 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: To Ryan by the way, great guy. I'm going to 437 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: tell you a little story. So I'm doing the postgame 438 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: interview for Hellsley. He gets to say it was like 439 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: save fourteen that season, and he's holding onto the ball 440 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking maybe it has some significance. So I 441 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 1: just said, hey, does Eppel have some significance? He goes, no, 442 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 1: I'm just holding it. 443 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 2: He goes, do you want to give it to your son? 444 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 1: So my son has saved fourteen one season for Ryan 445 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 1: Helsley Ran. I want to ask you, like, when you 446 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: got traded, right, the Cardinals put stock on a lot 447 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: of the young guys in the bullpen. You know them 448 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: very well, guys like Swanson, Leahey, you know O'Brien really 449 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 1: really good of course, Jojo. I want to ask you 450 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: particularly about like Swaonson who became dominant. Did you know 451 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: that these guys were ready to take the next step 452 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: back when you were part of the team. 453 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 4: Yeah. 454 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 3: So I met Swanson in twenty three when I was 455 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 3: rehabbing in Springfield and he'd just gotten traded over from 456 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 3: I believe the Blue Jays, you know, and I knew 457 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 3: I saw him then. He was a big kid and 458 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 3: kind of funky, you know, and you know, kind of 459 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 3: a steep approach. It seemed like with the heavy sinker 460 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 3: and you know, he obviously threw hard and he had 461 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 3: a great year last year in Double A. You know, 462 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 3: I think he led the league and with saves, with that, 463 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 3: and you know, the stuff was there he saw as 464 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 3: soon as he came up, you know, throwing ninety seven 465 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 3: ninety eight and with two really good Auste pitches, and 466 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 3: you know, he attacked his own well all the things 467 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 3: you need to do as a bullpen guy. And you know, 468 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 3: just the way he carries himself. You know, he kind 469 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 3: of had the idea that this guy could you know, 470 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 3: be a contributor. And you know, I think they saw 471 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 3: that down the stretch this year. 472 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 4: And you know, I was always a. 473 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 3: Big believer in in Riley O'Brien, you know, seeing him 474 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 3: last year too. I know in twenty four he didn't 475 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 3: pitch how he wanted to, but you know I'd always 476 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 3: tell the coaching staff like, this guy's. 477 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 4: Gonna be good, you know, just give him some time. 478 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 3: And you know, you see it with all players, you know, 479 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 3: not everybody makes that leap or figures it out, you know, 480 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 3: as fast as they want to or as quick as 481 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 3: everybody thinks they should. But you know, I think he 482 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 3: figured it out a little bit this year, and you know, 483 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 3: saw what he was capable of, and you know. 484 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 4: JoJo's had a great year. 485 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 3: We know what he's capable of, and you know, I 486 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 3: think it was cool to watch Kyle really flourished this year. 487 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 3: And you know, I don't think he gets enough credit 488 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 3: for what he really did with how many different roles 489 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 3: and situations he pitched in and played. And you know, 490 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 3: like I said earlier, it's hard not knowing when you're 491 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 3: going to throw. And he would throw one any one night, 492 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 3: you know, up in the eighth by one, or throw 493 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 3: four the next day down by seven. You know, so 494 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 3: just having that wide range and to be able to 495 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,199 Speaker 3: pitch and compete and get the results that he did 496 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 3: this year, you know, it hats off to him, and 497 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 3: I think it's something he could be proud of and 498 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 3: you know, build off of. 499 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 5: So we've talked a few times on here over the 500 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 5: last couple of weeks just about you know, what the 501 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 5: Cardinals might do and what that looks like in him's 502 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 5: first year. But you know, one thing that I brought 503 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 5: up is preventing runs is always less expensive than scoring runs, right, 504 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 5: so in a bullpen can be a big part of that. 505 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 5: And you know in twenty twenty four that bullpen that 506 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 5: we had was one of the main reasons, if not 507 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 5: the reason, that we were in playoff contention for so long. 508 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 5: So in that bullpen that they see that they have now, 509 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 5: you know, with your we'll just assume you're not there. 510 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 5: You know, who's that guy that kind of steps up 511 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 5: as that veteran leadership because I feel like you, Kittridge, 512 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 5: you guys had some guys down there in twenty four 513 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 5: that really led that group, and then you led that group, 514 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 5: you know, last year until the trade deadline. 515 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 6: But who are those. 516 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 5: Guys that can kind of step into that role assuming 517 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 5: they don't bring somebody in and keep that to be 518 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 5: a strength of this year's team. 519 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think we see how teams use 520 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 3: bullpens now, and you know, most good teams, I feel like, 521 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 3: have you know, two closers, so to call it, especially 522 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 3: in the playoffs. You know, you see how quick triggers 523 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 3: are for starters and you know, but for the Cardinals, 524 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 3: I think, you know, it's got to be Jojo And 525 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 3: even though Riley's a little less time wise in the 526 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 3: big leagues, you know, he's a little bit older and 527 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 3: seasoned as a baseball player. So I think those two 528 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 3: guys could be someone you know, they could lead that 529 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 3: lead that bullpen. But I think the easy choice is 530 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 3: Jojo just because he's he's been around so long and 531 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 3: you know his pitch well, you know his whole career, 532 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 3: and you know a lot of young guys are going 533 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 3: to get more opportunities there if they don't sign guys 534 00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 3: you know which you know, I think it would be 535 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 3: a thing to see, you know, what they have and 536 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 3: see what those guys are capable of at that level. 537 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 6: What did what did? Sorry I'm stepping in here, Jim. 538 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 6: You did a two part earlier, so. 539 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 5: I'm gonna go ahead and do back follow up here, 540 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 5: and then I really want to ask about golf here. 541 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 5: We're going to run out of time with Ryan, but 542 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 5: I really want to know where he's golfing today. So 543 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 5: this might be the last question, Jim. 544 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 2: So you can do two parts. You can do two parts. 545 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 5: Thanks, Thanks, thanks for that, you know, permission to do that. Riley, 546 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 5: what was what was a big shift that. 547 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 6: You saw in Riley? 548 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 5: You know, when I was in a with the Rays 549 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 5: kind of working back, you know, I saw him throw 550 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 5: against this. In my word, it was like it was 551 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 5: kind of a different guy. What what did you see 552 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 5: from him when he got back up there, and what's 553 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 5: going to make him so effective going forward? 554 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 3: You think, Yeah, I think just trusting this stuff in 555 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 3: the zone. You know, I think that's the hardest thing 556 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 3: to do in the big leagues, you know, even the 557 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,120 Speaker 3: best guys to get out. You know, we talk about 558 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 3: all the time in pitches meetings it's seven out of 559 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 3: ten times, you know, first pitch strikes or you know 560 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 3: the key. And I think when he really bought into 561 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 3: just attacking guys and you know, trusting his stuff in 562 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 3: his zone is when he really saw a big jump. 563 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 3: And you know, confidence, as the picture, can take you 564 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 3: a long way, especially in the bullpen, good or bad, 565 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 3: you know, and when you have those bad games, it's 566 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 3: you know, hard to sometimes get past those. And I 567 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 3: think when you rattle off a few good ones and 568 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 3: you can kind of see, like how your success happens, 569 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,959 Speaker 3: I think is a big way and a big contributor 570 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 3: to success overall for a player. And you know, I 571 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 3: think this year, you know, I would watch Cardinals games 572 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 3: when I left, and you know, he's pitching in close 573 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 3: games and you know, just like you said, look like 574 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 3: a completely different picture. And confident, and you know, it's 575 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 3: fun fun to watch guys, you know, make that leap 576 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 3: and you know, just to really compete out there and 577 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 3: just to lay it all on the line. 578 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 5: Ask about golf, Jim, Jim, go ahead, Oh, did you 579 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 5: have another? 580 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 6: You have another question? 581 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 2: Jim? No, So I was gonna let you ask golf. 582 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: Then I was going to close out with one and 583 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 1: we'd wrap this whole puppy up. 584 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 5: Okay, all right, great, So obviously hell's you gotta the 585 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 5: hat that has the upside down words on it, so 586 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 5: you're obviously going golfing. It says birdies for those that 587 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 5: can't read upside down. So uh, one, hope you score 588 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 5: a lot of birdies today, it'd be great. Uh where 589 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 5: are you going golfing? Tell us to tell us the schedule. 590 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 5: We already know that your cafeated ready to go, But 591 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 5: where are we going golfing today? 592 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 4: Yeah? 593 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna go to bel Air today to 594 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 3: start off with, and then maybe try to sneak onto 595 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 3: La Country Club as well. 596 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 5: So uh yeah, sure that's the place you can sneak on. 597 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 5: So he I wouldn't try to sneak on to La 598 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 5: Country Club. 599 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 2: We might pull some strings and get in. 600 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 3: Uh that's bad phrasing there, But yeah, I think today 601 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 3: is going to be complete golf, maybe thirty six holes 602 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 3: and you know, we'll see if we can't score some birdies, 603 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 3: that's awesome. 604 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna do what Kyle was doing early. 605 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: This isn't a baseball related question. By the way, Kyle, 606 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 1: you were great. He also he's the guy that booked 607 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: Elsley for today. To kudos to Kyle Gibson. But we're 608 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 1: talking about LA right now. We're talking about the Big Apple. 609 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 1: I want to know what you miss about Saint Louis. 610 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I just always explained to people it 611 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 3: kind of feels like home for me. You know, I 612 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 3: grew up in a small town and you know, you 613 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 3: grow up there and get there at a twenty, you know, 614 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:17,959 Speaker 3: four year old kid, and you know I left at 615 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 3: thirty one, so matured a lot and seeing a lot 616 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 3: there and it just feels like a big farm town 617 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 3: to me. 618 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 4: You know, there's not much. 619 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 3: Traffic really, you know, it just everything's kind of spread 620 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 3: out and easy going. 621 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 4: It's just a slower pace of life. 622 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 3: And you know, that just just felt like home to me, 623 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 3: and what I was used to and what I knew. 624 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 3: The people are great, the fans are great. You know, 625 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 3: it's just it's a hard place not to like. 626 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: Honestly, Kyle, you were great. Appreciate it. Ryan Helsley, thank 627 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: you for. 628 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 2: Joining us. 629 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 1: Hopefully you have a very happy landing spot as free 630 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,919 Speaker 1: agency comes to a close for you. And that's going 631 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: to do it for this edition of Cardinal Territory. We'll 632 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 1: see you next time. Hope ate that edition won't suck.