1 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,120 Speaker 1: David Foster, the producer who was a hero of mine 2 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: when I met him. I'm incredibly talented guy, but he 3 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: told me I shouldn't sing because he's just you don't 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: have it, like you don't oh like you got it. 5 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 2: You should just write songs. 6 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 3: Welcome to episode four oh four. It's a Bobby cast 7 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 3: with Richard Marx. Been a big star for a long time. 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 3: For example, a number one song from nineteen eighty nine, 9 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 3: right here Waiting Wherever you Go, also hold On to 10 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 3: the Nights, hold On Endless Summer Nights. 11 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 4: Tells Ollie had. 12 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 5: Satisfied. 13 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 3: And then he's written a bunch of songs too, like this, 14 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 3: I promise you that he wrote for in Sync Better Live, 15 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 3: Keith Urban, Colmont's Summer Keith Urban. We could keep going on. 16 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 3: He got fourteen number one songs, so listen. He's awesome, 17 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 3: super funny, super nice. Met him on the phone a 18 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 3: long time ago. And then and we're gonna feature some 19 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 3: of this on the radio show. But the great thing 20 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 3: about this podcast is we can do an hour I want. 21 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 3: If they call him Richards, his friends, I think I'm. 22 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,199 Speaker 5: Rich Richard, Dick Oby, Richard. Do you think Richard Hey Richard. 23 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 5: Isn't he super nice? 24 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's awesome, like. 25 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 3: Funny and like dry but not so dry. You're confused 26 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 3: if he doesn't like you or. 27 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 2: Not casually funny ynh. 28 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, so really enjoyed. It. 29 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:37,199 Speaker 3: Talks about his parents, how he got into songwriting, moving 30 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 3: to la It's just really cool. We're super pumped that 31 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 3: this happened because kind of accidentally, Abby just messaging and 32 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 3: was like, will he call it to the studio. 33 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 5: The lunchboxs had to go pick him up. Is all weird. 34 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 5: That's the deal. 35 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 3: Here he is episode four oh four follow him at 36 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 3: the Richard Marx m A r X and he's doing 37 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 3: a whole show Richard Marx dot com. He was here 38 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 3: in Nashville. He's doing all the hits, full band, thank you, 39 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 3: and away we go. I'm a massive fan, so just 40 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 3: I'll geek out and say thank you. I was telling 41 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 3: the show that if either one of the versions of 42 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 3: your career it would just be isolated, you'd be a 43 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 3: Hall of Famer, either the artist part or even just 44 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:13,959 Speaker 3: the song. 45 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 2: Because there's two, there's no chance. 46 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 5: It's you know, it's like I would say, You're like, 47 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 5: it's like splitting the vote. 48 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 3: So so yes, No, I don't think so. I think 49 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 3: it's like Tom Brady, Okay, there you go. 50 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with that. 51 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 3: Because if you take the first half of his career, 52 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 3: he's still in the Hall of Fame. True, take the 53 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 3: back half his career, he's still in the Hall of Fame. 54 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 2: I've been really lucky, actually, but. 55 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 5: Luck? Do you even believe in luck? 56 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think you make your own. 57 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 5: Okay, fair, what's the luckiest thing to ever happened to 58 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 5: you then in your career. 59 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: The luckiest thing that ever happened in my career would 60 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: be being born to the parents I was born to 61 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: who were not only super supportive, but musically talented. So 62 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,399 Speaker 1: I think I got some genetics, So that was luck. 63 00:02:58,520 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 5: Did they play or they just have a lot of 64 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 5: music in the house. 65 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 1: My dad was just a badass musician, but like best 66 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: piano player I ever heard, jazz piano player, classical jazz, 67 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: and then he became a jingle composer, producer, and orchestrator, conductor. 68 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: He was like the most talented musician I ever knew. 69 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: And my mom was a great singer. Outwardly publicly, she 70 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:22,839 Speaker 1: sang on all the commercials that my dad did. 71 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 3: Do you think that you kind of acquired that through 72 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 3: being around it as a child, or were you drawn 73 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 3: to it because you wanted to impress or have that 74 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 3: closeness with your parents. 75 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 2: I don't. 76 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: I started singing before I could talk, I think, so 77 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: it was something I always did. It wasn't like a 78 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: conscious decision. And then when I was probably like five 79 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: or six, I was singing monkey songs around the house 80 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: enough that my dad said, you know, we're doing a 81 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: candy bar commercial. I wonder and he put me behind 82 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: the microphone in the studio and that was it, and 83 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: I just went to it, you know, I just it 84 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: was like the most natural thing. And then the songwriting 85 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: thing was natural in high school in that I was 86 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: just trying to pick up girls, you know, like I 87 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: didn't have game. 88 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 3: So you were like super I mean, because you've been 89 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 3: super good looking as long as I've known you. 90 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 5: No, but I mean I used to like know't know me. 91 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 5: You know you were. 92 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 3: You Were you the awkward kid or were you the 93 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 3: guy that says you were the awkward kid? 94 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 6: Now? 95 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 5: But you're always the. 96 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: Oh fact, I know you know no if you asked, 97 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: In fact, tomorrow night, my first crush is coming to 98 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: the show. Her name is Lynn, and she would if 99 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: she were here, she would probably tell the truth, which 100 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: was that I was I just didn't have girls wanted 101 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: to be my friend, you know what I mean, Like 102 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: that's the last thing you want to hear when you're 103 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: a sophomore in high school. But I I just thought, 104 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: you know, well, I got to do something that sets 105 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: me apart in order to create game. And so I 106 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: started writing songs and playing. 107 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 3: And you know, when parents have a career, especially an art, 108 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 3: A lot of the folks that I know are like 109 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 3: my parents did not want me to do this because 110 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 3: they saw exactly how hard it was. 111 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 5: What was your relationship like with. 112 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 3: Your parents whenever you say, thank you, thanks for exposing 113 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 3: me to this, but now I want to go do 114 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 3: it for real? 115 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 2: There was no There was no pushback. 116 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: The fact that I went to my parents in my 117 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: senior year of high school and said, you know what, 118 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: I'm actually not going to go to college next year. 119 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 1: I'm going to go out to LA and try to 120 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: make it out there. The first thing they said was, go, 121 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: do you know you can always go back to school. 122 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:33,119 Speaker 2: Wow? 123 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 1: And they said, you know, even my dad was like, 124 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: don't have a backup plan. This is your only plan. 125 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: Just go make it happen. And so to have parents 126 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: who were both so supportive was key. And again it 127 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: goes back to luck because you know, you don't pick 128 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: your parents. 129 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 5: Did you do the band thing in high school? Did 130 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 5: you go with a group of buds? 131 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 7: Oh? 132 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:52,799 Speaker 2: Man, I tried. 133 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: I tried to put bands together left and right, and 134 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: nobody took it here. I came from a suburb of 135 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: Chicago where the idea of being in the arts, the 136 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: idea of being a rock star or any of that 137 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 1: was such a pipe dream. You were going to be 138 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: an accountant, you were going to be a lawyer. Where 139 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: I grew up that there was nobody from there really 140 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: that had done that. So nobody really took it seriously. 141 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: So I just dove into songwriting, which was actually great 142 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: because a few years later when I did go out 143 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: to LA that's kind of how I started to get 144 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: going as a writer for other people. 145 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 5: But were there songwriters where you were a nobody? 146 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 2: So I was the only kid in school? 147 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 3: How did you learn to write songs by yourself at 148 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 3: a place where no one else is really writing songs 149 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 3: like you were writing songs. 150 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: I went to the school of Elton John and Billy 151 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: Joel and the Eagles, and that's all I did. When 152 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: I wasn't doing math homework, when I wasn't doing the 153 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: school work that I was forced to do, I was 154 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: just listening to music and memorizing every nuance of every record. 155 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:03,919 Speaker 1: I was paying attention to production and arranging, and I went. 156 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,799 Speaker 2: To like I just studied it like out of love. 157 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: So when I ended up in LA at eighteen, I 158 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: got my first job was singing background vocals on a 159 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: Lionel Richie record. 160 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 2: He was really the catalyst. 161 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: He was the guy he heard my demo tape of 162 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:23,679 Speaker 1: my first couple of songs and actually called my parents' house. 163 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: This is when he was like leaving the Commodorees and 164 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: maybe next to Michael Jackson, arguably the biggest star in 165 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: the music business. This guy took the time to call 166 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: some kid in Chicagi didn't know, and he just encouraged me. 167 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: He said, you know, I really like your voice and 168 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: these are your first songs. Man should have heard my 169 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: first songs. So I when I moved out to LA 170 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: he had me sing some background vocals and then he 171 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: recommended me as a singer to Kenny Rodgers, his buddy, 172 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: and that's how I started writing songs. 173 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 2: I wrote songs for Kenny Rogers. That's how my songwriting 174 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 2: career started. 175 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 3: It's funny that Lionel, because I know Lionel pretty well 176 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 3: from working with him. I went through some stuff and 177 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 3: he pulled me aside and like give me advice. He's awesome. 178 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 5: But it's funny. He's always been that way. 179 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: He's always been that way. He's a class act, and 180 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: he's so generous with his time. 181 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 2: He's a little bit. I really don't know anybody else. 182 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: I've never known anybody else who has that level of 183 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: grace about themselves and who go out of their way 184 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: to be encouraging of people where there's going to be 185 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: nothing paid back. 186 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 2: He's just that good a guy. 187 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 3: And so I recommend you to Kenny Rodgers and you 188 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 3: go to sing background vocals for Kenny. 189 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 5: So are you the guy? 190 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 2: Yeah? 191 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 5: Are there three behind? And you're doing the dances at 192 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 5: the same that. 193 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: No, I'm only in the studio, just work, Yeah, got it. 194 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: I get hired to work for two days on this 195 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 1: Kenny Rodgers album and it was in them like towards 196 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: the end of the making of that album, and so 197 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: I go in and I've sang some bat some harmonies 198 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: and stuff on this one track or two tracks, and 199 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: then I knew I was coming back the next day. 200 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: And during the session I overheard Kenny say, was producer 201 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: that they still needed one more song, and he even 202 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: described it. 203 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 2: He says, man, we still need one more ballad. We 204 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 2: need that like sort of lion ash ballad. We got 205 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:08,719 Speaker 2: to find it. 206 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 5: You hear this conversation happening. 207 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 1: I overhear this conversation. I go home to my apartment 208 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: in La I write a song. I come back the 209 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: next day and I do exactly what the background singer 210 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: should never do, which is go up to the. 211 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 2: Artist and say, I'm a songwriter. I've got a song. 212 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: And again Grace, Kenny Rodgers could have immediately called security 213 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: and had me escort it to my car, and instead said, well, 214 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: let me hear it. And we sat down at the 215 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: piano and I played it. My hands are shaking, and 216 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: he liked it. 217 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 5: And you knew it. You can remember it. Did you 218 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 5: memorize it from that? 219 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 2: No? Yeah? Really? 220 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah yeah. And it was a number one 221 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 1: country song and the. 222 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:55,719 Speaker 5: Song was craze. 223 00:09:56,120 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 2: Crazy for you kids. You see that's. 224 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: My Kenny Rodger's like eighty five or so eighty crazy 225 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 1: eighty four maybe, Yes, I was nineteen when I wrote it. 226 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 3: Did that song fall out of you that night? Did 227 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 3: you feel like do you feel like they just come 228 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 3: from special places or were you just. 229 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 5: So get it? 230 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: Most of them do, Yeah, especially when you're inspired by opportunity. 231 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: Like to me, that was I thought, Okay, I'm going 232 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: to be able to hand a song. Well, you know, 233 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: I'd made a little cassette tape of it. He didn't 234 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: want to hear that. He just wanted me to play 235 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: it on the piano. I wouldn't have had that opportunity 236 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: had I not been in there as a background singer. 237 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 2: So I looked at all of I look at all 238 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 2: of these. 239 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: Things historically as being you know, writing to an opportunity. 240 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? 241 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 5: I do? 242 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 3: And so you found the opportunity, you shot your shot. Yeah, 243 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 3: that one happened to work. Yeah, but you went from 244 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 3: being a background singer to now you're a writer that 245 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 3: has a song, a song went number one? 246 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 5: So then what do you do? 247 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 3: You do you then focus on songwriting more or do 248 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 3: you still want to sing instant it because you have 249 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 3: got two paths now you can choose from. 250 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean all along, I'm writing pop rock songs, 251 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: so you got to get a deal. I'm getting rejected 252 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: by every. 253 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 5: Right, but now you have you have door that's been opened, right. 254 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, And then I started getting a lot of work 255 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: as a background singer and then writing songs for different people. 256 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: But you know, along the way, I like David Foster, 257 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: the producer who was a hero of mine when I 258 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: when I met him, and incredibly talented guy. But he 259 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: told me I shouldn't sing because he's just you don't 260 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: have it, like you don't, oh. 261 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 5: Like you got it. 262 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 2: You shouldn't. You should just write songs. You're not you're 263 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 2: not an artist. You're not. 264 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: You shouldn't make records. You shouldn't even try for a 265 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: record deal. And luckily I didn't listen to him. 266 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 5: Did you? Did you think for a while maybe you 267 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 5: should listen to. 268 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: Him only because we had at the time, we had 269 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: a pretty close friendship. And it kind of killed me. 270 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: It's like your dad saying, you know, you're kind of unattractive. 271 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 1: But I then it sort of just turned a little 272 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: bit into fire in my belly like to prove him wrong, 273 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: which was in a sort of big brother kind of way. 274 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 2: We joke about it. 275 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 5: Now, so you guys are cool now. 276 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, we hardly see each other, but when we do, you. 277 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 5: Don't want to, you don't we joke about it. 278 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 2: When you see him, No, I punched him a long 279 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:12,719 Speaker 2: time ago. 280 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 3: So from eighty four or eighty five, when that song 281 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 3: comes out and before eighty nine is right Here Waiting? 282 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 5: When that fian when that hits number one? 283 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 2: Right, some of my years are yeah, well the first 284 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 2: album was eighty seven. 285 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 3: So when does right Here Waiting become a massive hit? 286 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 3: When I would see you on TV? 287 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 1: Well that was like my fifth top five single or 288 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: so what really? Because we had don't mean nothing? Should 289 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: have known better and the summer nights. 290 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 5: I'm a massive Cubs fan, so my first memory of you. 291 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: Oh was the Cubs video That was like a couple 292 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: of years after Right Here Waiting. 293 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 3: Because I knew right Here Waiting for hearing on the radio. 294 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 3: But you didn't always know what people look like. 295 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 2: Right. 296 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 3: It's way different than now where you just easily get 297 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 3: on Instagram see people's faces. 298 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 5: Right, But what I kind of put it all together 299 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 5: was me. 300 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 3: I mean, listen, I was a massive Cubs fan, you know, 301 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 3: Mark Gray, Samberg, Vance Laws, Sean Dunstan mad All. 302 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 5: I mean it was diehard. 303 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. And I had Greg Maddox in my video that 304 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 2: that video. 305 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, well I don't remember that, but I just remember thinking, 306 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 3: that's my guy. 307 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 5: I don't know what that's him. He's a coup. 308 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 2: That guy with that big fluffy mullet. That's my guy. 309 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 5: Yeah, that that's my guy right there. 310 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 3: So your first as an artist who gave you the 311 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 3: first shot there to go, Hey, we'd like for you 312 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 3: to make a record as an artist as you. 313 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: Oh, there was a guy we just lost him a 314 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: few years ago, but he was sort of a kind 315 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: of a Clive Davis esque executive named Bruce Lundball and man, 316 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 1: he heard the same songs that every other label had 317 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: rejected for years and he just loved them and he 318 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: he's like, I love what you do. Go let's go 319 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,079 Speaker 1: make a record. And I got signed to a one 320 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: album deal with this little subsidiary em I, and the 321 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 1: first single just blew up and that was it. We 322 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: were off to the races for you know me, nothing 323 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: day Joe Walls should played guitar on it, like so 324 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: many things fell into place so quickly and easily that 325 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: it was a little like is this really happening? And 326 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: I had Timothy Schmidt and Randy Meisner singing back, So 327 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 1: I had three Eagles on my first single. You think 328 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: that helped get on rock radio? 329 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 5: Little bit Schmidt he's a soprano. 330 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the guy that sang I can't tell you 331 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: what yeah, yeah, yeah dang. 332 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 3: So you're like baptized into greatness right there with your yeah. 333 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 5: And do you think, like you just said, man, is 334 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 5: this all going to be so easy? And does it 335 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 5: get easier? 336 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 6: Like? 337 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 3: When was the first When was the first adversity you 338 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 3: had as an artist? Because you come out and you 339 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 3: got a big song? When does that first? 340 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 2: Better? 341 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 4: Way? 342 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: I had adversity in that I never had success because 343 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: or because of or with the support of my record company. 344 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: After the guy that signed me, I did one album 345 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: and then he got booted, So then I had to 346 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: deal with guys who didn't who hadn't signed me, and 347 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: it was just everything was a battle. The song choices, 348 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: the single choices. I was told by the label that 349 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: right here Waiting would never be a hit. Because it 350 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: had no drums like stuff like that, and we would 351 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: just sort of you have to bet on yourself and 352 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: you have to have a level of non compromise in 353 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: order to see your Like, I'm fine to fail on 354 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: my own, like if it's my fault, it's my fault. 355 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: But I don't want to fail because you screwed. 356 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 3: Up, you know what I mean, because I'll never forget 357 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 3: that I screw up a lot and you'd want to 358 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 3: punch me. Yeah, yeah, it's my fault. 359 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah. 360 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 6: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our 361 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 6: sponsor and we're back on the Bobby Cast right. 362 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 5: Here, waiting. Song you're known for most, would you say? 363 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 5: Is that the one? 364 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 2: It's probably? 365 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 4: Yeah. 366 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 5: Do you play it last? 367 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 2: Yes? 368 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: Because you can't follow it because it's one of those 369 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: songs where, like you know, you can't like once you 370 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: play that. I mean, I've done that before and it 371 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: has worked, But there's just something about that song around 372 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: the world, you know. I remember, you know, not that 373 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: long ago, I took a while I was in Australia 374 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: and touring, and I had the morning off to myself 375 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: and I was walking through this little off the beaten 376 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: path of this little town and it was early in 377 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: the morning, and this woman that she owned a flower 378 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: shop and she was setting up the display, so the 379 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: door was opened to the store and she was she 380 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: had her back to the street, and as I passed, 381 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: she was singing right Your Waiting. As I walked by. 382 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: Of course, I was tempted to go, hey, that's me, 383 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: but I just stood there and got the biggest smile 384 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: on my face because it's the other side of the world, 385 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: you know, And I'll go to Sri Lanka and I'll 386 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: start playing that song on the audience, start singing it. 387 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't matter where in the world. So 388 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: I even though I've had other number one songs, there's 389 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: nothing that sort of compares to that's almost like, right 390 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: Your Waiting has sort of become like yah, you know, 391 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: like the kids know it. 392 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 5: Did you ever have a phase where you're like, I 393 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 5: don't want to play that anymore? 394 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 4: No? 395 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 5: Ever, No, of course not. I could feel a lot 396 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 5: of obviously, you know. 397 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: I know I don't get that like and maybe it's 398 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 1: I think it's less with the people who wrote their hits, 399 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 1: because if you if we're lucky enough to have written 400 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: and created these songs, that people really love? Why would 401 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: you not want to play it? I mean I don't. 402 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: I haven't lost any love for I mean some I 403 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: like more than others. But there's none in the setlist 404 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: that I ever go, oh God, not that one again, 405 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: because I wouldn't have recorded it if I didn't think 406 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: it was a good song. 407 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 3: Do you play that one on guitar? You have a 408 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 3: guitar with Did you play right here wedding on guitar 409 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 3: or just piano? 410 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 2: I can I play it on the piano and my show? 411 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 5: Can you give us a little bit on guitar? 412 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 3: Sure? 413 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: Oceans apart, day after the day? 414 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 2: Investingly see he you lo. 415 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 4: On the life, but it just stop the pain? 416 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 2: Fascytever. How can we say. 417 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 4: Forever, wherever you go, whatever you do, boun, We'll be 418 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 4: right here wait for you, whatever it changes, for how 419 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 4: my heart breaks, bown will be right here waiting. 420 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 5: For you. 421 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 3: Reginald Key thinks, so yeah, yeah, awesome, it gets still 422 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 3: singing original Key? 423 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 2: No thanks, yeah, dang. 424 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 5: You know sometimes it's like, well. 425 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: I'm almost sixty's talk to me in ten years and maybe, 426 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: well that's awesome. 427 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 2: Maybe I'll be. 428 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 3: Like, so you ever do one of the bad one 429 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 3: of the bad deals that we see like TLC or 430 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 3: Backstreet Boys. You ever signed one of those crazy deals 431 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 3: and you're like, now I owed seventy two records and. 432 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no, no. I luckily, you know. The 433 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 1: other thing to talk about luck and my parents. My 434 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: father was a not only a really brilliant musician and 435 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: you know, creatively brilliant, but he was a really good businessman. 436 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: So he kind of taught me that it was the 437 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: music business. So I always I don't think I've ever 438 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 1: really made a bad deal. You know, kept my stuff, 439 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 1: and I think I'm pretty I've been pretty smart with 440 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: the business of music. 441 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, did you ever get to a stage creatively where 442 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,479 Speaker 3: you thought, you know, I really love the music I've 443 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 3: been writing, but I think now I want to do 444 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 3: like a metal record or put a hip hop I 445 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 3: just just wanted to change something. 446 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 5: Did you ever have that feeling? 447 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: Not to that degree, but you know, I actually, during 448 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 1: the pandemic, I did a you know, the band Trivium. 449 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: Matt Heathy, the guy, the guitar player, singer, the screamer 450 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: really from that group reached out to me and said, 451 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: I got this idea for a metal version of radio waiting, 452 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: and we did it and it's it's actually pretty cool. 453 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 5: What did you do on it? 454 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: I sang it and then he screamed, yeah he did that, 455 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: but I sang it really differently. I sang it in 456 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: a way that it kind of didn't sound like, well, 457 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't. 458 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 2: I was like with a lot of edge to it. 459 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was pretty cool. And I'm you know, as 460 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 1: a songwriter. You know, I've been able to write for 461 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 1: all these different artists, from country artists and R and 462 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: B artists and rock bands and stuff like that. So 463 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 1: I feel pretty comfortable jumping genre to genre, but like 464 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: to do a to do a hip hop record or something, 465 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: it would just be inauthentic. 466 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 5: Did you ever want to put a rapper on any 467 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 5: of your songs in the nineties. 468 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 1: No, that wasn't the music that I was making. I 469 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: loved it, but it wasn't what I was doing. 470 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 3: Pop music is really wild because it's it's so global. 471 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 3: I would imagine you've had your hits in countries where 472 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 3: you have no idea what the language is being. 473 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they sing it in yeah, broken English, they 474 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 1: just like right here waiting, And then it's not just 475 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: that one. They're a handful of songs that were no 476 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,719 Speaker 1: matter where I go. You know, I wrote this song 477 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: years ago called Hazard that's like this murder mystery set 478 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 1: to music. That was a big hit for me in 479 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: like early nineties, and I've played in It's a story 480 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 1: song with characters and a plot, and I'll have people 481 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: in Germany and like, the song was a hit in 482 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: all these kind like it was. It was number one 483 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,479 Speaker 1: in like fourteen different countries, and most of them were 484 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 1: non English speaking countries, and it just baffles me that 485 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: people could be into it like that, you know what 486 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 1: I mean, Like I understand a really catchy, poppy song, 487 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 1: but this is like this minor key dark. I never 488 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: thought it would be a hit. I just wrote it 489 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: as a sort of like as an exercise because I'd 490 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: never written a story song before. And the song just 491 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,439 Speaker 1: blew up around the world. And to this day, I 492 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: have people ask me about it, and I play it 493 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: and people sing it, and it still blows my mind. 494 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 3: You have all these number one songs as a performer, 495 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 3: as a songwriter, did you ever get to a stage where, 496 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 3: like I'm tired of touring, Like you're just literally physically tired, 497 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 3: And did you ever focus in on songwriting, like I 498 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 3: need to get this creative out of me. I'm going 499 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 3: to do it this way, or did you just have 500 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 3: all these songs that's what you did anyway? 501 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: No, I definitely like at the end of about ten 502 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 1: years where everything just fired on all cylinders, nothing but hits, 503 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: nothing but big tours and all that. I finally, after 504 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: like ten years, I put out a record that went 505 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: double plywood instead of double Plattin and it was sort 506 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: of like it was the end of the nineties. It 507 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,199 Speaker 1: wasn't just me, it was all the guys sort of 508 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: lumped in with me, Brian Adams and Michael Bolton and 509 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 1: Billy Joel and like all of us, all the white 510 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: male singerswriters kind of stopped getting played on pop radio. 511 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: And I thought, Okay, do I contort myself into something 512 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: to try to or do I just write songs? And 513 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: I thought, you know what, if this is it, this 514 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: is it. I've had a great ten years, but I've 515 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 1: got a lot of music in me. And so I 516 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: really then stopped touring, stopped making records for a while 517 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 1: for years, and just focused on writing and producing. And 518 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: luckily that career immediately sort of blossomed, and so then 519 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: I got to write. I wrote songs in Sync and 520 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: Josh Grobin and a bunch of country artists and like 521 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 1: all over the map. 522 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 3: The in sync song this, I promise you we were 523 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 3: talking about it before you came in. 524 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 2: When you wrote that. 525 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 3: Did you write that for you or was it for 526 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 3: in Sync or was it for I'm writing this and 527 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 3: we'll see who fits. 528 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: I got the call to see if I had a 529 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: song for Instinct right after I had written it, and 530 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: I had written it for this girl trio, this all 531 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: sister trio that I had seen at a friend's wedding, 532 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: and I was going to help try to get them 533 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: a record. They were amazing, and I tried to get 534 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: them a record deal, but their father was a real 535 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: sort of he had to be involved in everything and 536 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 1: he wanted to be part of the group, and it 537 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: was just it got kind of funky. So I kind 538 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: of backed out of the whole thing. But I had 539 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: written they didn't write songs, so I thought, I need 540 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: a really great three part harmony song for this girl group, 541 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: and I swear to God man, once I bailed out 542 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: of that deal, I think it was like within a week, 543 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: I get a call do you have a song for 544 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: in Sync? I was like, why, yes, I do, And 545 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: luckily they loved it, and then I went and produced 546 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: it and worked with those guys and it was a 547 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 1: big hit. 548 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 3: In the early two thousands when CDs are being bought 549 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 3: and that's a massive hit. Is that real money? 550 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 2: Oh man? Because it was no compare. 551 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 1: You know, I have three sons and they're all musicians, 552 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: songwriters and singers. My middle son, Lucas has had somewhat 553 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: of a he's getting there, you know. He had a 554 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: Katie Perry cut like a year and a half ago, 555 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: and works his ass off and really talented. But we 556 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: were all sitting around, a bunch of us were sitting around, 557 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: Lucas was there, and we're talking about just this how 558 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: the music business has changed, especially in terms of like 559 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 1: when a big hit, what does a really big hit 560 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: mean for you? And he said to his friends in 561 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 1: front of me. So, you know, back in the day, 562 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 1: if dad wrote a number one song, he could buy 563 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 1: a house. And if I'm part of a number one 564 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: song now I might be able to buy a case 565 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: of nut rageous bars. It's kind of not that big 566 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: an exaggeration. 567 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 3: Right. So the Keith urban stuff I think is always 568 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 3: interesting to people that know country music because too Keith's 569 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 3: most famous long lasting songs. Yeah, you know, there were 570 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 3: hits and last because there are hits that don't last. 571 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 5: There are songs that aren't hits to do last, right, 572 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 5: But these are two that were hits and he still 573 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 5: plays and people still love like Long Hot Summer. Yeah, 574 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 5: when you wrote that song again, who were you writing 575 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 5: it for? 576 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 2: Oh? No, The songs that I've had hits with Keith 577 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 2: we wrote together. 578 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 3: So okay, so those were Keith specifically written songs. Does 579 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 3: Keith come to you and go, hey, Richel, I want 580 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 3: to write with How does that even come together? 581 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? 582 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: We were put together right after his first album. There 583 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 1: was a guy here in Nashville, a publisher who knew 584 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,959 Speaker 1: how to reach me. Somehow knew I was coming to 585 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: town more and more. I had written with a couple 586 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: of people here, and they sent me Keith's first record, 587 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: which I thought was great, And then we got together 588 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: and we tried writing. We wrote together for maybe a 589 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: year or two and never finished anything, like it didn't 590 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 1: really click. And then I was living in Chicago at 591 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: the time. And he he came to my house and 592 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: stayed with me for a few days. And it wasn't 593 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,120 Speaker 1: it was just through sort of to hang out. 594 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 2: He wasn't. 595 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 1: He was just sort of like trying to take a 596 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: break from the pace of his career, and he kind 597 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: of came and hit out at my house. It was 598 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: over a Super Bowl Sunday, I remember, and during I 599 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: think it was during halftime, we just went down to 600 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 1: my studio and we picked up guitars and within like 601 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: ten minutes, Sunday You and I gonna be the ones 602 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: that was better life. It was like, that's how it happened. 603 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: It wasn't like, hey, let's get together and write a song. 604 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: But because that song became so big, you know, he 605 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 1: would then every couple of years he'd say, hey, let's 606 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 1: try it again. 607 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 7: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the 608 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 7: Bobby Cast. 609 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 5: Do you play the Keith and you your songs? When 610 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 5: you play your shows? 611 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 2: I do long hot Summer, sometimes you do. 612 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, you play a little bit of that you care. 613 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be a long hot summer. 614 00:27:58,119 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 2: We should be. 615 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 4: Together with feet upon the gesh board now singing. 616 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 2: Along with the radio. It's such a beautiful person. 617 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 4: Sweet you see my name is mele Love, dear, swear, 618 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 4: I see the stars come. 619 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 1: Old man head and oh my swear it looks black. 620 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:29,880 Speaker 1: You're waiting on the sound of gold. Damn the sunder God. 621 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 5: Dam that's awesome. 622 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 2: That's a fun one. 623 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 5: Luther Vandre song danceing my father. I remember hearing it 624 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 5: not knowing who wrote it because I was just listening 625 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 5: to it. That's that's like, that's the that's a song. Yeah, 626 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 5: that's a song that I really proud to be. Yeah, 627 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 5: that one that even writing it. 628 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 3: Like this, that's gotta come from something, right, There's gotta 629 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 3: be some emotion there. 630 00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 631 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 1: Well, Luther and I were really like he was one 632 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: of my best friends, and we'd written a handful of 633 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: songs together over the years. He'd sung back on vocals 634 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: on some of my records, and I'd written a couple 635 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: of songs with him that he'd recorded up before then. 636 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: And I lost my dad in nineteen ninety seven, like 637 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: really tragically and suddenly, and Luther Vandross was one of 638 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: the only people who sort of knew what to say 639 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: to me. 640 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 2: Who look. 641 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: I remember we had this two hour phone call and 642 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: he really helped me. I was spiraling, I was with 643 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: my dad. We were really really close. And then like 644 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: six years later he called me and he said, I 645 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: got an idea for a song. I just have a title, 646 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: and I have to write it with you, and it's 647 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: danced with my father. And that's all we had was 648 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: just the title, and so as we had done before, 649 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: I went off and wrote some music and then sent 650 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: it to him and he came up with this whole 651 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: story that was just I mean, that's really the meat 652 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: of the song. I mean, And he wrote that song 653 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: about his own father, So I knew why he wanted 654 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: to write it with me, because he knew the connection 655 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: I had to my dad. But that song, you know, 656 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: like it was ten days after he mixed that song 657 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: that he had a stroke. It was the last thing 658 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: he ever did. But he lived long enough for us, 659 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: you know, to see us win the Song of the 660 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: Year and see the success of the song. He was 661 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: so proud of it. But I remember him saying like, 662 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: this is going to be the biggest song in my career, 663 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: and I was like, don't say things like that, don't 664 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: jinx it. 665 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 3: But if he only knew every NCAA tournament at the 666 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 3: end of it one shining moment. Yeah, you know right, 667 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 3: it's got two that it made me feel completely different, 668 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 3: but both made me feel. 669 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: I mean, sometimes it's like I've never written a song 670 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: that I thought was a hit. I have never had 671 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: that experience. I know, other song like Diane Warren, every 672 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: interview she goes, I knew that was a hit the minute. 673 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: I good for you because I have. I just write 674 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: songs that I like, but I've never been able to 675 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: determine what is a hit and what's not. So they 676 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: all been surprises to me, but some more than others. 677 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: And I really was shocked that dance with my father 678 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: has become so beloved, you know. 679 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 2: But that's the there's just just magic in it, you know. 680 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: It's all like writing a song to this day is 681 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: still a piece of magic to me. If I finish 682 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: another song, and I've written thousands of songs, and every 683 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: time I finish another song, I go. 684 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 2: I can't believe that. I can't believe we just did that, 685 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 2: or I just did that. 686 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 5: Do you like to write by yourself? 687 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I do collaborate quite a bit, but my favorite 688 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 1: thing is to write by myself, and most of my 689 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: hits I've written by myself most of them. 690 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 3: That's awesome for other reasons, you know, that's awesome. 691 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 5: Okay, So a couple things here. 692 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: One by the way, I really love the I don't 693 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: know if you guys know, but there was a real 694 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: dance this morning with the transportation, which was hilarious, which 695 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: was because when you guys asked me to come in, okay, 696 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: my wife and I get in last night. Yeah, and 697 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: they said, somebody said it's ten ten am. Yeah, as 698 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: long as it's not too early. And they said, and 699 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: they want to know, is it okay if they send 700 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: like an uber ax or I was like, yeah, no problem. 701 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,239 Speaker 1: So then early this morning I get a text from 702 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: my guy in La saying Bobby was like, I'm not 703 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: sending an uber for him, so Abby is going to 704 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: pick him up in a Lexus and I was like, oh, 705 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,959 Speaker 1: that's so nice. That's okay, great, thanks. Then like ten 706 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: minutes later, nope, dance coming in a black Porsche, and 707 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: I swear to god, I texted back, Okay, now I 708 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: want a bent Link and you know what. 709 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 2: Do I hear it roles? 710 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 5: Next time you will get just that. Okay. 711 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 3: So you and a lot of the markets that our 712 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 3: show is in. You're doing shows all over the country, 713 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 3: so I definitely want to let all of our listeners 714 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 3: know all through October and we could roll through some 715 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 3: of them. Chicago, Saint Louis, Memphis, We're huge in Osaka, Japan. 716 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 3: So you're doing this what is this tour? What are 717 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 3: you doing at these shows? It is like a full well, 718 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 3: like what's the what's the show? 719 00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: Most of the shows that you just listened will be 720 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: full band shows. I do a lot of solo acoustic shows. 721 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: I played three or four nights at the Franklin Theater 722 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: last year. That was such a blast. 723 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 2: It's just me. 724 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 1: It's a storyteller show, and I tell jokes and if 725 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: somebody yells out a song, if I can remember it, 726 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: I'll do it. But for these for this next uh 727 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: next couple of years, I've decided I'm only gonna do 728 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: songs live that were songs that were not good enough 729 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: to make the actual albums. So the whole set list, 730 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: I'm kidding. 731 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 3: I'd about to say, I'm not I'm not coming anymore. 732 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 3: It's all B sides that we've been Wow. Okay, all right, 733 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 3: first of all, all demos, all all show along. 734 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: Can I tell you a really funny story. I'm gonna 735 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: name drop, but it's but I don't know him. I 736 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: just met him in an elevator. 737 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 4: Uh. 738 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: The one and only time I ever met Bono. And 739 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: it was a few years ago and I was my 740 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: son and I were leaving this restaurant and we're getting 741 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 1: in the elevator and these guys went, okay, can you 742 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: hold the elevator, And so we held the elevator and 743 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: one of the guys they walk in and it's. 744 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,080 Speaker 2: One of them's Bono. I was like, oh man, he goes, Richard, Hey, it' 745 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 2: nice to me. 746 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe he knew who I was. And so 747 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: we had this little chat and as the elevator was 748 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: about to open, he said, so are you on tour? 749 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,959 Speaker 1: And I said, nah, I just do shows. And he 750 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 1: cracked it. He goes, oh my god, we need to 751 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: start doing that. And I said, well, you guys have 752 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: a different situation. But what I mean by that is 753 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 1: for years and years it would be like I'm touring. 754 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 1: I'm on tour to promote this thing. No, when you 755 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: get to a certain point, if you're lucky enough to 756 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: have had a catalog of songs. It's just I go 757 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: out and play the songs people want to hear, and 758 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: I pepper it with two or three new songs here 759 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: and there, but it's hits because that's what I would 760 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: want to go see. If I go see a band play, 761 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: I don't want to hear a bunch of songs from 762 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: the new album. 763 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 3: I saw rim once. They only played their new album 764 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 3: and not a single hit. 765 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 2: Well that's a dick move. 766 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 5: That was tough. That's tough. 767 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:55,720 Speaker 2: That's a dick move to the audience. 768 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 5: It is tough. Yeah, and I was really upset. 769 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, maybe they'll play what's the frequency, 770 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 3: Kenneth anything, Just give me one hit the very end 771 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,280 Speaker 3: and they finished the final track of this new album 772 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 3: and good night. Yeah. 773 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 5: I thought Richard Marks would never do that. 774 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,320 Speaker 3: I would never do that, Like he may play a 775 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 3: night full of demos, but he will never do that. 776 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 2: But that's fun. 777 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 5: That sounds like something I signed up for. 778 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 3: So yeah, all the shows go to Richard Mars dot 779 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 3: com and what we had you on the songwriter album? 780 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 5: Yeah, a songwriter was called right yeah, and it. 781 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 3: Was different elements like it was five element. 782 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:30,720 Speaker 2: It was twenty songs. 783 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: It was five pop songs, five rock songs, five country songs, 784 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: five ballads. 785 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 5: How do people react to that? They like it? 786 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, it did really well. 787 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 5: I was really showing that kind of project. 788 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 2: It was really fun for me. 789 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 1: And you know, I just said that I like to 790 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 1: write by myself, but that was the most collaborative album 791 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,359 Speaker 1: I ever did as a songwriter in that there were songs. 792 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 1: There were handful of songs I wrote by myself. But 793 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 1: I wrote a song with Keith, that old song that 794 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,760 Speaker 1: he didn't want to do anymore that I always loved. 795 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: There was a song that I co wrote with Darius. 796 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: There was a song I co wrote with Chris Daughtry. 797 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 1: There was a song I co wrote with Burt Backrock 798 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: like just a couple of years before he passed. 799 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 2: It's just like. 800 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 1: A crazy array of collaborators and different genres. 801 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 2: It was a blast. 802 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 5: I hope you guys go see Richard massive fan all seriousness. 803 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 5: Thank you. 804 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 3: You're very generous with your time and to come up here. 805 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 3: And which car would you like to go back in? 806 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,359 Speaker 3: We've got a few options for you here. 807 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 2: Well I was sot a helicopter was available. 808 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:35,359 Speaker 3: But Richard, thank you. You guys Richard marks dot com 809 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 3: go to the shows. 810 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production