WEBVTT - Chapter 1 | Something Stinks

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<v Speaker 1>Heads up. This series contains graphic descriptions of violence. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a saying I heard on a recent trip to the South,

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<v Speaker 1>A half truth is a whole lie. And if there's

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<v Speaker 1>a place that breathes life into that proverb, it's the

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<v Speaker 1>town of Mayfield in Graves County, Kentucky. A horrific murder

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<v Speaker 1>went unsolved for six years in Mayfield, Kentucky, a town

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<v Speaker 1>of ten thousand people. Then one local resident decided to

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<v Speaker 1>take matters into her own hands. On August first, two thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>the body of Jessica Current was found outside of the

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<v Speaker 1>Mayfield Middle School. It appeared as though she'd been beaten

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<v Speaker 1>and set on fire. Jessica was just eighteen years old,

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<v Speaker 1>a new mom, and the daughter of a lieutenant with

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<v Speaker 1>the Mayfield Fire Department, and her case would go unsolved

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<v Speaker 1>for years.

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<v Speaker 2>When police in Mayfield, Kentucky found a body, Susan Galbreth

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<v Speaker 2>found a purpose. She had to know who murdered Jessica Current.

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<v Speaker 1>Until a local homemaker and a handful of girls came

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<v Speaker 1>forward with a story, a story that police would use

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<v Speaker 1>to convict six people, lending Susan Galbreath in the newspapers

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<v Speaker 1>and the radio and on national TV.

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<v Speaker 2>Galbreath was a housewife, married three times and drifting. She

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<v Speaker 2>had no law enforcement training and she'd never even met

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<v Speaker 2>Jessica Current. But whatever grabbed her wouldn't let go.

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<v Speaker 3>Somebody had to do something, and if somebody was me,

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<v Speaker 3>so be it.

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<v Speaker 1>Years later, the Kentucky Attorney General would even honor Susan

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<v Speaker 1>with an Outstanding Citizen Award for finding the key witness

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<v Speaker 1>in the Jessica Current case. It's a made for TV story.

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<v Speaker 1>Ordinary woman, help solve murder, brings justice to a small town.

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<v Speaker 2>Susan Galbreth was named Citizen of the Year, but a

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<v Speaker 2>Kentucky Bureau of Investigation and to know.

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<v Speaker 3>That I had just the slightest part and it just

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like I was meant to.

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<v Speaker 2>Susan Gallabreath has done more than just proved one person

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<v Speaker 2>really can make a difference through sheer, persistence and nerve.

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<v Speaker 2>This Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica.

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<v Speaker 1>Cur Catnip for the press, and who could blame them?

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<v Speaker 1>It's a good one, maybe too good to be true,

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<v Speaker 1>because this story will go beyond one woman. It's about

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<v Speaker 1>the lengths our legal system, our communities, and the press

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<v Speaker 1>will go in order to find someone to blame. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's about the tales we tell and choose to believe

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<v Speaker 1>in pursuit of justice, the repercussions of which have uprooted lives,

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<v Speaker 1>shattered families, and exposed a deep rought in Kentucky's halls

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<v Speaker 1>of power. This is Graves County, Chapter one, Something Stinks.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer winning journalist

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<v Speaker 1>and producer who has spent years reporting on the criminal

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<v Speaker 1>legal system. That's how I first heard about this case

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<v Speaker 1>and about Susan Galbreath. I didn't get a chance to

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<v Speaker 1>meet Susan in person. She died in twenty eighteen at

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<v Speaker 1>the age of fifty eight. A lot of what I've

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<v Speaker 1>learned about Susan comes from her interviews with the press

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<v Speaker 1>and her own writings emails I've had the chance to review,

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<v Speaker 1>and from her testimony in the trial for the murder

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<v Speaker 1>of Jessica Curran.

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<v Speaker 4>When I was a child, I either wanted to be

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<v Speaker 4>a comedian or a police officer. So I don't neither,

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<v Speaker 4>of course, but I've just always had a fascination with

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<v Speaker 4>the law and things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Susan Gallbreath was born in Chicago, and moved to Mayfield,

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky in her early thirties. She liked living in a

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<v Speaker 1>small town with a tight knit community, and she had

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<v Speaker 1>a son she loved. But by the time her fortieth

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<v Speaker 1>birthday hit, Susan was in a rut. A self described

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<v Speaker 1>cigarette smoking, busybody. She was on her third marriage to

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<v Speaker 1>a man who drank too much, and she'd lost her

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<v Speaker 1>job from an injury. She was aimless. On top of that,

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<v Speaker 1>she had a string of deaths in her family.

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<v Speaker 3>In nineteen ninety nine. I had the death of my brother, father,

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<v Speaker 3>and mother, so it was a real rough year for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Here, she is talking to a local public radio station

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<v Speaker 1>WKMS in twenty thirteen.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that I've always felt that I was

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<v Speaker 3>meant to be there today that they've found Justica's body,

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<v Speaker 3>and I often refer to it as through her, I

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<v Speaker 3>somehow got my purpose back, because it was a real

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<v Speaker 3>rough year in ninety nine.

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<v Speaker 1>In her telling, Susan was sitting at a restaurant on

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<v Speaker 1>a summer day when she overheard a waitress saying that

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<v Speaker 1>police had found a body. What happened after that can

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<v Speaker 1>only be described as spiritual, an epiphany of sorts. She

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<v Speaker 1>just had to go to the scene of the crime

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<v Speaker 1>and see it for herself, and what she found horrified

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<v Speaker 1>and captivated her. She would spend every waking hour wondering

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<v Speaker 1>what kind of monster could have done such a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But time passed and the case went unsolved, and after

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<v Speaker 1>four years, the police had little to show for their

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<v Speaker 1>work except for some failed leads and a string of

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<v Speaker 1>rumors about what had happened to Jessica Curran. That's when

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<v Speaker 1>Susan says her curiosity turned into an obsession. If the

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<v Speaker 1>cops weren't going to crack the case, she would she'd

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<v Speaker 1>play detective and string tidbits of information together chase leads

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<v Speaker 1>find the truth. But this amateur sleuth needed help, so

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<v Speaker 1>she started emailing people important, people like Oprah and Julia Roberts,

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<v Speaker 1>anyone who could connect her to resources or give this

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<v Speaker 1>case much needed attention, but she heard nothing.

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<v Speaker 5>A federal investigation in Brooklyn, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Then on TV one day she saw a British investigative

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<v Speaker 1>journalist by the name of Tom mingled.

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<v Speaker 5>Bobby revealing how they'd blind to see the manipulated the

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<v Speaker 5>truth of forty years.

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<v Speaker 1>So she wrote him as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Date four four, two thousand and four from Susan g

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<v Speaker 3>it chartered that net.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Susan reading part of that email for a

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<v Speaker 1>radio piece Tom produced for the BBC in twenty twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a retrospective on the work Susan ended up

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<v Speaker 1>doing for the case.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello, mister Mangold, I am writing concerning a murder in

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<v Speaker 3>a small town in the state of Kentucky here in

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<v Speaker 3>the US. The victim a beautiful eighteen year old black girl.

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<v Speaker 1>Tom flew to Kentucky about a month after getting that

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<v Speaker 1>email in two thousand and four. It was the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of a year's long partnership with Susan and the launch

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<v Speaker 1>of their investigation. They were an duo. Here are segments

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<v Speaker 1>on how they describe each other in Tom's radio piece.

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<v Speaker 3>When I first met Tom, I thought he was prim

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<v Speaker 3>and proper, like he had to stick up his ass.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, he was just really formal, you know.

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<v Speaker 6>When I first met Susan, I liked her on site.

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<v Speaker 6>She's chubby, lively, great sense of humor, sexy, deep voice,

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<v Speaker 6>and passionate about the one thing she needed to be

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<v Speaker 6>passionate about the murder of Jessica current.

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<v Speaker 1>Tom, then in his late sixties, said he brought his

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<v Speaker 1>experience as a seasoned investigative reporter and taught Susan how

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<v Speaker 1>to parse gossip from truth. They drank bottles of Sauvignon

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<v Speaker 1>blanc together, Chase Leeds discuss theories, and eventually they pinpointed

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<v Speaker 1>a local girl who turned out to be key to

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<v Speaker 1>solving the case. Victoria Caldwell.

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<v Speaker 7>Doris Victoria Conwell and what did people call you?

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<v Speaker 3>Victoria?

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<v Speaker 1>She came forward saying she was an accomplice to the crimes,

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<v Speaker 1>and she ended up being the state's key witness.

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<v Speaker 7>So in July two thousand, hour were here.

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<v Speaker 1>Fifteen years old. Victoria's account about what happened to Jessica

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<v Speaker 1>Curran would be the driving force in the conviction of

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<v Speaker 1>her accused killers.

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<v Speaker 3>Cavalovel Kersh's Quinsey Omar Crouch.

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<v Speaker 1>This was the story Victoria told. We've edited her statements

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<v Speaker 1>for length and warning it contains descriptions of physical and

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<v Speaker 1>sexual violence.

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<v Speaker 8>Vanda Victoria love Will.

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<v Speaker 1>On a summer night in two thousand, Victoria says she

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<v Speaker 1>was hanging out with a few kids from around town,

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<v Speaker 1>including Jessica Curran and Venetia Stubblefield, all of them teenagers

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. According to Victoria. They eventually ended up

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<v Speaker 1>in a car with some older kids, all in the

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<v Speaker 1>early twenties, including Victoria's cousin Tamra, Tamra's boyfriend Quincy Cross,

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<v Speaker 1>and a guy they need from school named Jeff Burton,

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<v Speaker 1>the only white person in the group.

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<v Speaker 7>Wuency started passing out the drugs.

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<v Speaker 9>Coke.

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<v Speaker 1>She says. They did cocaine and other drugs in.

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<v Speaker 7>The car, yes ecstasy.

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<v Speaker 1>Tamra and Quincy were driving in the front with Jessica

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<v Speaker 1>and they started touching her.

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<v Speaker 7>Quincy and Tamra were rubbing on Jessica's legs. She was

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<v Speaker 7>telling him to stop and no you did they stop? No,

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<v Speaker 7>he didn't want that. Then when we got to the

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<v Speaker 7>driveway of Jeff's house, Quincy he walked under the seat

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<v Speaker 7>and he had a bat and he hit her in

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<v Speaker 7>her head like a small, like little bat.

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<v Speaker 1>She says. Quincy reached under this and then hit Jessica

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<v Speaker 1>in the head with a souvenir bat.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm not really, you're not to explain it.

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<v Speaker 1>After that, they drove to Jeff's house and they carried

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<v Speaker 1>Jessica's unconscious body inside. According to Victoria, Quincy and Jeff

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<v Speaker 1>raped and beat Jessica with the help of Tamera, and.

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<v Speaker 7>That's when Jessica started to wake up.

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<v Speaker 1>Jessica was in and out of consciousness.

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<v Speaker 7>Actually woke up. She was saying like she wanted to

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<v Speaker 7>go home. She just wanted to go home to her son.

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<v Speaker 7>She's getting her son, Zion's name.

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<v Speaker 1>She was pleading for her life and calling out the

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<v Speaker 1>name of her seven month old son.

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<v Speaker 7>Quincy. He hit her.

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<v Speaker 1>He hit her with a ratchet, and she just knocked

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<v Speaker 1>back out. Victoria says. Quincy then started strangling Jessica with

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<v Speaker 1>his leather belt.

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<v Speaker 7>He was just choking her each other. She just kept pulling, pulling,

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<v Speaker 7>pulling on it. What she was to like Carol, like

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<v Speaker 7>gasping for air?

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<v Speaker 4>Did she gasp?

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, yes, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>But it didn't end there. Victoria says that after Quincy

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<v Speaker 1>killed Jessica, he ordered the girls to have sex with

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<v Speaker 1>her ravaged, lifeless body.

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<v Speaker 7>That they had to do something.

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<v Speaker 1>She describes the sexual acts in lurid detail, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to share those specifics here. It's gruesome perform

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<v Speaker 1>sexual acts on Jessica Current's body. Yes, according to the prosecution,

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<v Speaker 1>this would implicate them all in the murder and ensure

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<v Speaker 1>their silence. After it was all done, Victoria says they

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<v Speaker 1>wrapped Jessica his body in a blanket and hid her

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<v Speaker 1>in Jeff's garage for a few days until she started

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<v Speaker 1>to smell. Then, she says, a few of them drove

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<v Speaker 1>Jessica's body to the middle school, where they dumped her

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<v Speaker 1>and set her on fire. Victoria says she took the blanket,

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff poured the gas, and Venetia lit the match and

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<v Speaker 1>then let.

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<v Speaker 3>As the jury reached a birdie if he had handed

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<v Speaker 3>to the by the place.

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<v Speaker 1>On April eighth, two thousand and eight, after only three

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<v Speaker 1>hours and forty five minutes of deliberating, a Kentucky jury

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<v Speaker 1>convicted Quincy Cross on all charges we The.

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<v Speaker 3>Jury found the defendant guilty of kidnapping, guilty of mark

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<v Speaker 3>guilty of ripe, and the first guilty of abuse of

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<v Speaker 3>the guilty of tampering with physical evidence of her instruction

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<v Speaker 3>number fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>He was later sentenced to life in prison without the

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<v Speaker 1>possibility of parole. Tamra and Jeff took please and were

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<v Speaker 1>sentenced to ten and fifteen years, respectively. Venetia and Victoria

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<v Speaker 1>got lighter sentences for cooperating with the prosecution. Remember, Victoria

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<v Speaker 1>was the state's key witness. The case would make headlines

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<v Speaker 1>because it took eight years to find and punish the

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<v Speaker 1>accused killers, and because of Susan and Tom. Susan stayed

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<v Speaker 1>on the case and Tom stayed on the story long

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<v Speaker 1>after the convictions. In an email a few months after

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<v Speaker 1>the trial, Tom informed Susan he was writing an article

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<v Speaker 1>on her for the Times of London. He writes, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll make you famous yet, to which Susan responds quote,

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't be happier about this. I can only hope

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<v Speaker 1>I don't let you down. Tom and Susan would appear

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<v Speaker 1>in interviews like the one you heard earlier from a

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<v Speaker 1>public radio station, celebrating their feet. Tom told wkm AS

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<v Speaker 1>that he had received about fifteen film offers from movie

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<v Speaker 1>studios interested in their story.

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<v Speaker 5>And they were all interested in the relationship between an

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<v Speaker 5>aging British hack and this lovely young lady originally from Chicago.

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<v Speaker 1>He and Susan ended up signing a contract with BBC Films.

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<v Speaker 5>Don't ask me who's going to play me? Because I

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<v Speaker 5>wanted Brad Pitt to play That's.

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<v Speaker 3>What I was thinking.

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<v Speaker 5>He's far too old for me. I know the talk

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<v Speaker 5>is of Susan sound and type actress to play Susan.

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<v Speaker 5>It's an interesting story and we have had a remarkable

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<v Speaker 5>relationship and one that has given me intense pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>In a perfect world where good guys win and the

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<v Speaker 1>bad guys are punished, this is where the story would end.

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<v Speaker 1>You may start the conversation now.

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<v Speaker 4>Hello.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, hey, Quincy, Hey, how you doing. I'm well, how

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<v Speaker 1>are you doing today?

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<v Speaker 7>Uh?

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<v Speaker 10>I'm just you know, still doing time as well.

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<v Speaker 1>But then again, I wouldn't be here if things worked

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<v Speaker 1>the way they should. Quincy, what is that like for

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<v Speaker 1>the world to think here somebody as terrible as a

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<v Speaker 1>as a murderer.

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<v Speaker 10>It's painful. Yeah, it's very painful, and it's something it's

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<v Speaker 10>and it's something that I've never adjusted to living back.

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<v Speaker 1>To understand this story, you need to know the people

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<v Speaker 1>accused and convicted of Jessica Current's murder.

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<v Speaker 10>My story is not just about me, but it's about

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<v Speaker 10>Jessica the victim, and it's about Camera and Jeff Burton too.

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<v Speaker 10>All our story we was portrayed to be something that

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<v Speaker 10>we not. So you know, the whole world looked at

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<v Speaker 10>us different.

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<v Speaker 7>We still do.

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<v Speaker 10>So you know, my story is to, you know, to

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<v Speaker 10>have clear all that up.

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<v Speaker 1>I've gotten to know two of them well, Quincy and Tamera,

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<v Speaker 1>and from the very beginning they have maintained that the

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<v Speaker 1>story Victoria told at trial was a lie.

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<v Speaker 8>People still talk about me to this day, but I

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<v Speaker 8>don't care because I know I feel greated, like I

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<v Speaker 8>know I didn't do anything. I know I didn't do

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<v Speaker 8>a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Other people ensnared in this story have told me the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing. They did not kill Jessica Current. That's after

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<v Speaker 1>the break. Mayfield, Kentucky, is in the dead center of

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<v Speaker 1>Graves County, tucked away in the southwestern corner of the Commonwealth.

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<v Speaker 1>There's more crops than people. Corn, soy and tobacco fields

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<v Speaker 1>stretch as far as the eye can see, legacy of

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<v Speaker 1>a time when African people were bought and sold like

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<v Speaker 1>chattel to cultivate these same crops. Alcohol laws in Graves

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<v Speaker 1>County date back to the Dry Crusade or Prohibition era,

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<v Speaker 1>so there's not many places to gather and grab a

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<v Speaker 1>drink on a Friday folks in Mayfield are damn proud

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<v Speaker 1>of their winning high school football team, the Cardinals, But

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<v Speaker 1>other than game night, locals tell me there's not much

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<v Speaker 1>to do. Just under ten thousand people live in Mayfield.

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<v Speaker 1>The population hasn't grown in decades, and like in many

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<v Speaker 1>small towns across the country, lack of activity or opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>often leads to mischief and petty crime. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>it in the county is drug related, people selling or

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<v Speaker 1>possessing drugs, and a lot of people have kids young

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<v Speaker 1>in their teens and twenties. That was the case for

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<v Speaker 1>Tamra called, well, so you were seventeen, you got pregnant,

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<v Speaker 1>and was there any question about keeping the baby or

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<v Speaker 1>were you Oh yeah, I'm keeping it. Tamar always knew

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<v Speaker 1>she wanted to be a mom, so when she got

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<v Speaker 1>pregnant as a teen with her first child, a boy,

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<v Speaker 1>Tamora was happy. You're like, I'm ready to I'm read.

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<v Speaker 11>Yep, I'm ready. I'm not getting rid of it. I'm ready.

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<v Speaker 1>And when another baby, a daughter, came just two years later,

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<v Speaker 1>and another one a few years after that, she knew

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<v Speaker 1>she'd adore those little girls just as much. There was

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<v Speaker 1>love to spare.

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<v Speaker 11>I enjoyed being with my kids because they weren't my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Tamarra also knew that she would didn't need a man

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<v Speaker 1>to raise the kids, just like her mom and grandmother

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<v Speaker 1>before her. Who is your dad?

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<v Speaker 11>My mother is my dad. She's always been my dad

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<v Speaker 11>and will always be like it.

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<v Speaker 1>Men would come and go, but Tamer's family would stay together.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not to say that some men didn't stay a

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<v Speaker 1>little while. One of them was Quincy Cross. Before they

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<v Speaker 1>were both accused of murder, their names tied to a

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<v Speaker 1>brutal crime. There were just two kids in their early

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<v Speaker 1>twenties who fell in love. Quincy was from a town

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<v Speaker 1>just across the border in Tennessee, about a forty minute

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<v Speaker 1>drive southwest of Mayfield. Quincy had the kind of swagger

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<v Speaker 1>that comes from being a young man without a care

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<v Speaker 1>in the world. Unlike Tamra, who says she's always been

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<v Speaker 1>more of a homebody, content on the couch with her kids,

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<v Speaker 1>watching soap operas or Jeopardy. Quincy was a boy getting

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<v Speaker 1>in trouble.

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<v Speaker 10>We was drinking and drugging, hear me.

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<v Speaker 1>Quincy says he and his friends would run the streets.

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<v Speaker 10>It was selling drugs. It was hanging out laid you know,

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<v Speaker 10>it was you know, of hanging out with female, a

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<v Speaker 10>whole bunch of female, different females all the time. It

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<v Speaker 10>was it was, you know, kids, the whole bunch of kids.

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<v Speaker 10>Things going on, you know what I'm saying. Like I said,

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<v Speaker 10>drinking and drugging. Man lose most of the time doing

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<v Speaker 10>it all man, doing what kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Do, and those things usually landed Quincy in and out

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<v Speaker 1>of jail. That's actually how Tamar and Quincy met. He

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<v Speaker 1>was locked up in the same jail as Tammer's brother

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<v Speaker 1>in Graves County, and in one of her visits, Tamer

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<v Speaker 1>says she saw Quincy looking at her. He was cute,

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<v Speaker 1>a little short. He's five to four, with big cheeks

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<v Speaker 1>and a warm, dimpled smile, and she remembers thinking maybe

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<v Speaker 1>to him. So she did, and he turned out to

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<v Speaker 1>be nice as well. He was friendly, cute, friendly, and funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Quincy was a comedy. Quincy was just a fun person.

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<v Speaker 1>I enjoyed talking though him and Quincy enjoyed Tamra.

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<v Speaker 10>Timber had a nice heart. Cama had a nice heart.

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<v Speaker 10>Man Tampa was a friend before she was anything else.

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<v Speaker 10>Man tim was. We was good to hang out with

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<v Speaker 10>each other.

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<v Speaker 5>Man.

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<v Speaker 10>She was a good person, man for real.

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<v Speaker 1>Tamra was already pregnant when she got serious with Quincy.

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<v Speaker 1>She didn't party, so they liked watching movies together, eating pizza.

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<v Speaker 1>Quincy even moved in with Tamara and her mom for

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<v Speaker 1>a bit. He was there when Tamara had to have

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<v Speaker 1>an emergency c section and her youngest girl, Shade, was born.

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<v Speaker 10>Before she did. Oh, man, I cried, I crad. I

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<v Speaker 10>was soft man, I ain't on trip. I crad. I

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<v Speaker 10>shed some teriars right there. That was a beautiful thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 10>that was a beautiful thing. That would bring back some good.

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<v Speaker 1>Memories right there, Tamra says Quincy. It was good with

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<v Speaker 1>the kids. She even gave Shade his last name, even

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<v Speaker 1>though he wasn't the biological dad.

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<v Speaker 8>Even though he didn't have no kids, My kids were

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<v Speaker 8>his kids.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't seem to mind the mess that comes with children.

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<v Speaker 8>Literally before he got in the door, before he opened

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<v Speaker 8>the door, he would change shirts because he knew that

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<v Speaker 8>Beebe was gonna throw up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes Bvbe is Shade's nickname.

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<v Speaker 11>With Yes, he was the best.

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<v Speaker 1>Tamrosa's Quincy loved Bebe and her whole family He was

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<v Speaker 1>even a pallbearer at her Grandma Doris's funeral. He was

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<v Speaker 1>fully in her life.

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<v Speaker 11>We were like best friends.

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<v Speaker 1>But after a few years their relationship faded the way

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<v Speaker 1>relationships do.

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<v Speaker 10>I just had to go back home.

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<v Speaker 1>Back home to Tennessee.

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<v Speaker 10>I just want to go back home. Man, Makefield was

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<v Speaker 10>Makefield is you have one minute left? Its corrupt down

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<v Speaker 10>there as corrupt things long down now, and I figured

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<v Speaker 10>it would time for me to come back home.

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<v Speaker 1>Tamar and Quincy broke up around two thousand and five

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<v Speaker 1>and lost contact for a bit, but he wasn't able

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<v Speaker 1>to shake Mayfield off for long. A few years after

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<v Speaker 1>the breakup, in two thousand and seven, he'd return to Kentucky,

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<v Speaker 1>and even though he'd never get back together with Tamra,

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<v Speaker 1>their names would be forever linked to each other and

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<v Speaker 1>to Mayfield's most infamous murder.

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<v Speaker 8>I got a pritty two that toil. Yeah, I was

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<v Speaker 8>in there five years, late months. It's two days, five years,

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<v Speaker 8>eight months and two days.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sitting with Tamra at her mom's house in Mayfield.

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<v Speaker 1>She's bold and bright, with shimmery makeup and colorful braided hair.

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<v Speaker 1>Tamra says, since she was a kid. She's always had

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<v Speaker 1>colorful hair. Today it's blue, her favorite. But inside, Tamera

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<v Speaker 1>is guarded, scarred by prison and the events that led

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<v Speaker 1>her there.

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<v Speaker 11>I used to be.

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<v Speaker 8>Outgoing.

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<v Speaker 11>I was always a positive one.

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<v Speaker 8>Not no more, not like I used to.

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<v Speaker 7>Not like it used to be.

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<v Speaker 8>It won't never be like it used to be, because

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<v Speaker 8>I can't get I won't never get that time back.

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<v Speaker 8>I can't never get that time. I'm taking away from

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<v Speaker 8>my family for something I can't even do. If I

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<v Speaker 8>knew what I know now, then it's been a whole

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<v Speaker 8>different story. It's crazy when you.

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<v Speaker 11>Come home and your kids.

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<v Speaker 8>Is something wrong with your kids? You can't do anything?

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<v Speaker 8>Could you locked up? It's hard, but I had to

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<v Speaker 8>keep the faith because I wanted to go home, because

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<v Speaker 8>if I didn't keep the faith, I probably wouldn't even

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<v Speaker 8>be here now.

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<v Speaker 1>I've spent the last two years traveling to Mayfield, talking

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<v Speaker 1>to people there, sorting through hundreds of hours of law

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<v Speaker 1>enforcement interviews and interrogations, court transcripts, private investigator findings, and records,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to figure out if there's any truth to their

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<v Speaker 1>claims of innocence. What would it be like to have

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<v Speaker 1>your conviction cleared for you were.

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<v Speaker 8>Oh great, Oh a great deal. I can't even get

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<v Speaker 8>a job because of my compection. What my charge is on. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 8>I won't never get five years, eight months, and two

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<v Speaker 8>days back. But I deserve something. I want my name clearly,

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<v Speaker 8>and Jeff name clear and Quincy out of.

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<v Speaker 1>Jail, out of prison.

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<v Speaker 8>That's all I want, clear my name.

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<v Speaker 1>Two years of sifting through lies, rumors, and stories, picking

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<v Speaker 1>out any discernible bits of truth, trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>how they were accused in the first place. At times,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been almost impossible to discern truth from rumor, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's made me question who can I trust when so

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<v Speaker 1>many people obscure the truth. Now, over the course of time,

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<v Speaker 1>I have grown to trust one woman in particular, and

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<v Speaker 1>she warned me from day one that this case was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a hard one.

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<v Speaker 9>Good luck deciphering the fucking lies in this case. My

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<v Speaker 9>apologies for cussing, but that's what it is. There are

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<v Speaker 9>so many lies.

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<v Speaker 1>That's after the break. In two thousand and four, Susan Gallbreath,

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<v Speaker 1>the Kentucky housewife who you met at the top of

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<v Speaker 1>the show, wrote journalist Tom Mangold, asking for help solving

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<v Speaker 1>the Jessica current case. Almost two decades after that, a

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<v Speaker 1>woman named Darrel Woolman would contact me and my team

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<v Speaker 1>saying the man in prison for the crime had been wronged.

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<v Speaker 1>Much like Susan, Darah is not a detective or a lawyer.

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<v Speaker 1>She's not even from Mayfield yet she has dedicated years

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<v Speaker 1>of her life to this case. But if Susan helped

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<v Speaker 1>put Quincy Cross in prison, Dara is dead set on

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<v Speaker 1>getting him out.

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<v Speaker 9>I don't believe he was there, and I don't believe

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<v Speaker 9>that he did it, and I don't believe he had

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<v Speaker 9>anything to cover up, and it's just a gut failing.

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<v Speaker 1>Has your intuition ever led you astray?

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<v Speaker 9>We I mean, look at the fuck towards updated. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 9>absolutely sorry. My intuition has has led me a lot

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<v Speaker 9>of times astray.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty twenty one, she launched an endeavor aimed at

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<v Speaker 1>helping people in prison.

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<v Speaker 9>I started the Department of Collaborators. I really wanted to

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<v Speaker 9>call it the Department of Correctors, but I thought like

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<v Speaker 9>that was too county video. See, you know, I do

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<v Speaker 9>not have a website. I do have a bank account.

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<v Speaker 1>The Department of Collaborators a group of folks from all

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<v Speaker 1>walks of life who volunteer their time to finding people

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<v Speaker 1>they think have been wrongfully convicted and connecting them with

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<v Speaker 1>folks like me who can give them a voice, a.

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<v Speaker 9>Group of misfits that can't. I go to this case.

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<v Speaker 1>Dearah got in touch with my colleague Jason Flamm, who's

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<v Speaker 1>long worked in criminal justice reform, and he passed the

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<v Speaker 1>case along to me. Darah has asked me point blank

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<v Speaker 1>to not compare her to Susan Gallbreath, But the irony

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<v Speaker 1>of it, all the similarities are not lost on me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be crazy not to point them out. And one

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<v Speaker 1>of them is that I am taken by Dara the

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<v Speaker 1>way Tom was taken by Susan. Darah is a character.

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<v Speaker 1>She's constantly calling and sending me voice messages at all hours.

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<v Speaker 9>So anyway, again, I'm sorry for my monotone voice, talking

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<v Speaker 9>like I have marbles in my goddamn mouth, but that's

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<v Speaker 9>just the way I talk tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>Darah is a born and bred Southerner who plays to

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<v Speaker 1>every stereotype for laughs like these are the kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>phrases signs off with God bless you, I say.

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<v Speaker 9>And buck Nancy Grice.

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<v Speaker 1>Darah grew up in Mississippi, but lives in a McMansion

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<v Speaker 1>neighborhood outside of Nashville. Now. My producer, Rebecca and I

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<v Speaker 1>went to visit in the summer of twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 9>Welcome to the jungle.

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<v Speaker 1>The jungle is a very nice jungle. Darah lives with

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<v Speaker 1>her mom, son and Ludacris. Hi, Ludacris, you're so cute.

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<v Speaker 1>A dog, not the rapper, A scruffy white terrier mutt

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<v Speaker 1>who's always by her side.

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<v Speaker 9>He doesn't identify as the dogs.

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<v Speaker 1>Dara is a striking woman in her forties with icy

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<v Speaker 1>blue eyes and long blonde hair. As we walk past

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<v Speaker 1>the foyer into what appears to be the sitting room,

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<v Speaker 1>there are three huge paintings on the wall.

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<v Speaker 10>What is this?

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<v Speaker 1>Just you oil paintings of Dara in a revealing mini

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<v Speaker 1>dress that her mother painted but my baby really enhanced,

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<v Speaker 1>Dearra says, the Southern blonde stick works. It leads people

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<v Speaker 1>to underestimate her, but you shouldn't be fooled. She's tenacious

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<v Speaker 1>and full of moral outrage over what she perceives as

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<v Speaker 1>a deep injustice. And the proof of Dara's tenacity, where

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<v Speaker 1>do you have all your documents and stuff. All them

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<v Speaker 1>off is right downstairs. Oh that's your office, Okay, not

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<v Speaker 1>meet you. Dara's home office is a bright room jam

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<v Speaker 1>packed with tons of memorabilia from the years, like Dolly

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<v Speaker 1>Parton figurines, Kate Moss's mugshot, and of course documents, filing

0:32:39.400 --> 0:32:44.280
<v Speaker 1>cabinets full of papers, and binders of CDs containing hours

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<v Speaker 1>of court proceedings, security footage, interrogations, interviews, everything like emails

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<v Speaker 1>between Susan and Tom wondering how did someone get her

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<v Speaker 1>personal emails? Who was who was able to get these?

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<v Speaker 9>And some of its supposed to be part of discovery.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean she was a witness, she does a witness.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes sense, and she's giving me full access. Dara

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't collected all of this alone. In the department of collaborators.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a person who gathers all the data, one who

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<v Speaker 1>organizes it, and there's Dara, the connector, staying in touch

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<v Speaker 1>with everyone involved. And it's grown past a little volunteer job.

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<v Speaker 1>Dearra says, it's become personal.

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<v Speaker 9>The truth of the matter is is that I fell

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<v Speaker 9>in love with Quincy's family. They've fallen in love with me.

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<v Speaker 1>And with all the other people who've been touched by

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<v Speaker 1>this case.

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<v Speaker 9>Camera Jeffrey, you know, like that's the truth of when

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<v Speaker 9>it comes to Quincy Cross's case, It's not about solving

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<v Speaker 9>the murder of Jessica Kern because at the end of

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<v Speaker 9>the day, too in that her think I can fucking

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<v Speaker 9>solve it. I'm just trying to get a man I'm

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<v Speaker 9>blame prison out and I'm trying to get his other two.

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<v Speaker 1>Then it's exonerated. So that's what Dara wants, and what

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<v Speaker 1>I want is to get it right. For a few reasons,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a white girl from New York parachuting into this

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<v Speaker 1>community in the South where the victim and most of

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<v Speaker 1>the accused are black. I'm painfully aware of the stereotype

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<v Speaker 1>white lady saves the day, Susan Dara, and we've heard

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<v Speaker 1>this from people in town who are wary of outsiders.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to give them more reasons to distrust

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<v Speaker 1>people like me. On top of that, a few years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>I got it really wrong covering what I was convinced

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<v Speaker 1>was a wrongful conviction out of Alliance, Ohio. I dedicated

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<v Speaker 1>a year of my life and twenty podcast episodes trying

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<v Speaker 1>to find out if a man was in prison unjustly,

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<v Speaker 1>only to learn midway that he'd most likely done it

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<v Speaker 1>and my instincts were wrong. A lot of listeners commended

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<v Speaker 1>my honesty, but I also got slammed for hurting the

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<v Speaker 1>victim's family by dragging all this up. I felt like

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<v Speaker 1>a failure and went on hiatus for a few months,

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<v Speaker 1>dug a hole and burrowed in it, licking my wounds.

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<v Speaker 1>My mistake is always in the back of my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm not the first journalist with doubts about their

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<v Speaker 1>own work, and it turns out I'm not the first

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<v Speaker 1>journalist with doubts about the convictions in this case. When

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<v Speaker 1>Susan Golbreth died in twenty eighteen, Tom Mangled wasn't able

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<v Speaker 1>to fly from England for the funeral, but he wrote

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<v Speaker 1>Susan's family and email expressing his condolences. He called Susan

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<v Speaker 1>a quote life force. He wrote that Susan's enthusiasm for

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<v Speaker 1>the investigation infected him and eventually infected law enforcement, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was quote wholly because of her drive and cunning

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<v Speaker 1>that the perpetrators were caught and sentenced publicly. Tom was

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<v Speaker 1>and continues to be certain that the case Susan helped

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<v Speaker 1>bring forward and the one he covered for years was

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<v Speaker 1>not only right but righteous. But privately I found a

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<v Speaker 1>different story, one that plants the seed of doubt. This

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<v Speaker 1>is from Susan to Tom and sitting with my producer Rebecca

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<v Speaker 1>going through hundreds of pages of documents we got from

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<v Speaker 1>Darra and from court filings. They include years of Tom

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<v Speaker 1>Mangle's emails from Susan, law enforcement and many other people

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<v Speaker 1>in Mayfield.

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<v Speaker 3>This emails between Tom Mangel and Lazy Gates, a friend

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<v Speaker 3>of Susan Gobreth.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I thought she was again.

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<v Speaker 2>Working with Mangled and Gabrit.

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<v Speaker 1>These specific emails are from around the time Tom was

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<v Speaker 1>preparing to release yet another piece on Susan, four years

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<v Speaker 1>after Quincy, Tamra and Jeff were convicted. It's the radio

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<v Speaker 1>documentary you heard earlier from the BBC titled Something Rotten

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<v Speaker 1>in Mayfield. In it, he rehashes the story of Susan

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<v Speaker 1>helping to find Jessica's killers, and he features Victoria Caldwell

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<v Speaker 1>retelling her version of events. Yet this is an email

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<v Speaker 1>he sent to Susan's friend a few months before the

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<v Speaker 1>piece aired. Oh my god. This is from Tom to

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<v Speaker 1>Lacey in twenty twelve. January twenty twelve, Lacy, I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>being to wonder this is but a tiny worm of

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<v Speaker 1>an idea in my wine soaked brain that there is

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<v Speaker 1>a teeny weeny itsy bitsy chance that we've got this

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<v Speaker 1>whole fucking murder story wrong and that there may have

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<v Speaker 1>been a huge miscarriage of Justine, a renowned journalist talking

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<v Speaker 1>about a case that he helped solve that went all

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<v Speaker 1>the way to the Kentucky Attorney General, that sent six

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<v Speaker 1>people to prison, and he's saying there's an itsy itzsy

0:38:16.800 --> 0:38:20.760
<v Speaker 1>chance that they got this whole fucking murder story wrong

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<v Speaker 1>this season on Graves County. I mean, you should.

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<v Speaker 7>Hear all the stuff that goes around and you know something.

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<v Speaker 7>It might be as true as it comes.

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<v Speaker 1>You just can't never tell what's rammored and what's not.

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<v Speaker 5>You look so for thin faking those kings rocking in

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<v Speaker 5>the chair and telling their line.

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<v Speaker 1>They accused a lot of incent people. They hurt their families,

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<v Speaker 1>they hurt their friendships.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't let nobody ever tell you get closure, because you'll

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<v Speaker 3>gonna always miss a person like that the.

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<v Speaker 7>Rest of your live.

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<v Speaker 1>So it sounds like a lot of people have come

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<v Speaker 1>forward saying I know who did this, but no one

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<v Speaker 1>has said who did it. That's correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Why I don't know some of them that I've dealt with,

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<v Speaker 2>it's involved in this or perpetual liars.

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<v Speaker 6>So I did not know her and I did not

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<v Speaker 6>kill her or raid or burn or any of that

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<v Speaker 6>other stuff that y'all said.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark, y'all gotta work the hell up.

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<v Speaker 5>Bad things happens to good people and small towns.

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