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Speaker 1: Episode three sixty seven with Tanil Arts. She had her

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Speaker 1: first number one single, Somebody Like That, back in Here's

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Speaker 1: first time that ever happened. So she's in today. Her

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Speaker 1: latest album, Girl to Girl, was released October. She has

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Speaker 1: a new song out this week called Jealous of Myself

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Speaker 1: and just a few Things. I don't understand. There was

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Speaker 1: so much drama with her and putting out new music.

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Speaker 1: I actually saw it on the internet after the interview

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Speaker 1: I guess I didn't go to any Facebook pages where

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Speaker 1: about it here. I knew that there was an issue

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Speaker 1: that maybe it was a big contentious We get into it.

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Speaker 1: She just signed a new record deal deal to allow

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Speaker 1: her allow her to own her own music, which is

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Speaker 1: a big deal. She has the first artist to sign

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Speaker 1: to Dream Catcher Artists and it's just pretty cool. So

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Speaker 1: our second time talking with her, we referenced the fact

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Speaker 1: that she was the first person to ever bring her

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Speaker 1: guitar in the studio. We were like, well, that's interesting

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Speaker 1: because we don't really have a place to play. And

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Speaker 1: she's like, yeah, you do. You have a microphone right

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Speaker 1: here and she played and that has inspired so many

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Speaker 1: other people to bring instruments up here. So pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: She was born in a small town of Wayburn, Saskatchewan.

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Speaker 1: She now lives in Nashville. She was back with US

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Speaker 1: many many years ago. At age thirteen. She began singing

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Speaker 1: her own songs. At age one, she released her first

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Speaker 1: single and here she is at tanil arts on Instagram

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Speaker 1: and TikTok episode three sixty seven tanil arts. You know,

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Speaker 1: as long as you stay close to the mic, you

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Speaker 1: don't need the headphone. Well a lot of people do

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Speaker 1: this though, and they don't put on headphones and they

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Speaker 1: started talking over here and then you're like you get

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Speaker 1: I was posting a video of TikTok a second ago.

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Speaker 1: What what is your TikTok strategy? Like, what are you

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Speaker 1: guys trying to do? Um? I mean we haven't really

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Speaker 1: been able to promote I mean, the new song much

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Speaker 1: because you don't you don't want to put it up yet. No,

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Speaker 1: we just couldn't for a minute. So now we are

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Speaker 1: full steam ahead. We can post whatever we want. You

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Speaker 1: couldn't for a minute. What does that mean? I mean

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Speaker 1: we were just in a transition. So oh, got it. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. You have to get closer to

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Speaker 1: the microphone. Okay, I just did it. Really um, So okay,

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Speaker 1: it's been a while since we've talked. I guess since

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Speaker 1: probably you were at my last studio in the other house,

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Speaker 1: like the other pre covid it was pre covid. Um,

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Speaker 1: somebody like that just came out. I think, Mike, and

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Speaker 1: this has happened a bunch of cents because I think

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Speaker 1: you kind of set the trend. Correct me if I'm wrong, Mike.

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Speaker 1: But wasn't the first person to bring a guitar up? Ye?

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Speaker 1: I think people heard that episode and they started showing

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Speaker 1: Apparently the podcast lawyers come at you. So we're gonna

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Speaker 1: play five seconds. Do we have a clip in the

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Speaker 1: you say you've transitioned. I don't know about this. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Uh what management label? Which? Which part label? I actually? Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm now on DreamCatcher Artists. So my manager and I've

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Speaker 1: Stressful for you to change. No, I felt like it

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Speaker 1: it's been great, Like give me five seconds to somebody

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Speaker 1: that's enough. My friends was gonna kick the door in.

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Speaker 1: that's new, right, they're making you the first point? What

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Speaker 1: Like you're you're building fresh over there. I feel like

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Speaker 1: ever worked together? We haven't. But honestly, it's a dream

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Speaker 1: And where does she live right now? In Vancouver? Vancouver

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Speaker 1: It's French the language of Vancouver. No, it's mostly English.

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Speaker 1: What am I thinking of? What's the Quebec? I wasn't

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Speaker 1: what's the really French one? Is that the most French one?

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Speaker 1: what is home? Like, what's what's your town like? Now?

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Speaker 1: there's just there's a life on that and I can't

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Speaker 1: own it. And so I went and bought a guitar

427
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,640
Speaker 1: to paunch up. And I bought a chord sheet at Walmart.

428
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,159
Speaker 1: It's put these big poster pep slap and I bought it.

429
00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:34,400
Speaker 1: And I learned like C G D A A Mine

430
00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,879
Speaker 1: or the easy ones right with very very limited on

431
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,480
Speaker 1: the bar accords. And that was all my music knowledge.

432
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,280
Speaker 1: And if you handed me something, I would have no

433
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,120
Speaker 1: idea what that is. But I thought, Okay, I'm gonna

434
00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:45,879
Speaker 1: take piano lessons and I'm gonna learn so I can

435
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,080
Speaker 1: see it. I was an adult, and so I had

436
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,480
Speaker 1: this lady coming over and she was like mean. I

437
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,679
Speaker 1: think she thought. I was like seven, Like you do

438
00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,640
Speaker 1: your lessons, lady, I'm paying you. My mom's not here,

439
00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,400
Speaker 1: so let's be cool about this. And so I actus,

440
00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,800
Speaker 1: but I think learning it older. Maybe I just had

441
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,639
Speaker 1: too many distractions like bills. I don't know, but I

442
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,120
Speaker 1: never could I could never see the notes. I could

443
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 1: never do what naturally came to some of my friends.

444
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:13,560
Speaker 1: I'd say naturally because they were just they were good

445
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,600
Speaker 1: at it, had to work, that worked hard. But they

446
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,640
Speaker 1: were also they were good enough at it to give

447
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,919
Speaker 1: them enough confidence to keep going with music. Did you

448
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 1: do you feel like you kind of accepted it easier

449
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 1: or has it always been a process for you vocally?

450
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 1: It's always been That's always been my like true love

451
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,879
Speaker 1: is like just singing all of the other things. I

452
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 1: learned guitar to accompany myself. I didn't learn guitar because

453
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a guitar player. So you learned

454
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 1: guitar because you were already singing, you had studied vocal.

455
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 1: Was how hard was that to learn guitar? For me?

456
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 1: Was way easier than piano. Like I remember, I learned by,

457
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 1: like you said, like guitar charts. My mom had this

458
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 1: old I had my grandma's Martin and my this old

459
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 1: literally paper of all of these different chords, and I

460
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 1: just I looked up Taylor Swift songs and you know,

461
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 1: at the time, there were like three chords in those songs.

462
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,119
Speaker 1: So I was like, how many of these songs can

463
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 1: I learn? And I just, yeah, I learned. I had

464
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 1: literally blisters and my fingers were bleeding, and I was

465
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 1: just obsessed with it. Your grandma had a Martin did

466
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 1: so she was musical. Yeah, what what? What? What does

467
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 1: she do? How where did she play music? I mean,

468
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,679
Speaker 1: my mom and my grandma both played a little bit

469
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,919
Speaker 1: of guitar, like it was never they're like passion, but

470
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 1: they both could. I think my cousin actually got that Martin.

471
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 1: Where where did you did your grandma die and leave it? No?

472
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 1: But she just gave it to my cousin to learn,

473
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 1: And I was like, dangn she gave without dying. What

474
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 1: the crap? I know? I want the Martin? So, but

475
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 1: where would your grandma play? Like? How would how did

476
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 1: she learn to play? Do you have any idea? I

477
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 1: have no idea. Actually, I'm going to guess it was

478
00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:00,399
Speaker 1: a church thing or just you know, wanted to have

479
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,640
Speaker 1: a guitar and the single do you ever sing in church?

480
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: What kind of songs? It was? It like now if

481
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,679
Speaker 1: we go, there's a whole band, and it sounds very temporary. However,

482
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 1: when I grew up, that was the kind of church

483
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,239
Speaker 1: I went because I was either in a Baptist church

484
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 1: or Pentecostal church. And there may have been one person

485
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,399
Speaker 1: with the guitar, but it's a lot of hymns. Is that? Like?

486
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 1: What was your church? Like? I went to Catholic school

487
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 1: and went to Catholic Church, so it was all, um,

488
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: you know hymns. There was no you don't know them?

489
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 1: Some of them me too, And like I'll hear like

490
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 1: a little snippet of something random and I'll know it

491
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: all and somebody like, how do you know that whole song?

492
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, the guy knew that book that we

493
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: had a Mountain Pine Baptist. I knew pretty much all

494
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: the songs. I remember a lot of the childhood songs too,

495
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 1: Like we used to go to vacation Bible School and

496
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,879
Speaker 1: like all of those little kids songs were just looking

497
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 1: back on them now, they're hilarious, Like I just think

498
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 1: it's so funny that we were just sitting in pews

499
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 1: singing that all summer long. Do you ever think about

500
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 1: writing songs for kids? Uh? No, I mean I've just never.

501
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: Maybe if I have kids someday, well then I feel

502
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 1: weird because I don't have any kids. That did a

503
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 1: whole album with kids. Do you like kids? Do you

504
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 1: hang out with kids a lot? I don't. I'm not

505
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 1: gonna say hang out with that'd be a terrible answer

506
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 1: that you have kids in your family, not particularly you know,

507
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,120
Speaker 1: I did a kids album because I thought that kids

508
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,199
Speaker 1: music kind of sucked what I would hear, and I

509
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I can also teach the kids stuff,

510
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: so just for fun. One day, Eddie, my partner of

511
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 1: the redging Its, was late and so I wrote like

512
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 1: this planet rap and and he was like what is that? Said, well,

513
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,959
Speaker 1: I've taken some sir, mix a lot you know who

514
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: used to do baby got back and take some of

515
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: these elements. I did a planet song and it was like,

516
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: you do the planets Mercury, my very energetic mother just

517
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 1: served nine pizzas and Pluto sometimes the planet sometimes, the

518
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: dwarf planet sometimes isn't want at all. Right, all right,

519
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 1: I started the whole thing and it's like a really

520
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: high pitch mike do you have? You can't play the

521
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: planet song? But I did this kids. I did one

522
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: song and then I thought, oh kids liked it. I said, okay,

523
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: well let me write some other stuff that's not so immature.

524
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 1: It sounds a bit contemporary and kids could learn. So

525
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 1: I did, like Cracker bought the whole thing. That's incredible.

526
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: Still like you don't have to annoy the crap out

527
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: of parents. Still act, I still did like this song.

528
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: Though it is and you can probably play this. What

529
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: are you gonna sume me? Am I gonna su me? Yeah? Um.

530
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: But doing the kids record was a lot of fun

531
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 1: and very very basic and it really helped me be

532
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 1: like a comedy music writer. That's so fun. That a

533
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: kid's book and still no kids, so it sounds creeping

534
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 1: and she was like, we have a lot of kids,

535
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: I have none. That a kid's book that was successful,

536
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: And then it was mostly I wanted to do a

537
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 1: book about kids fitting, not feeling the need to fit in,

538
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: like to they can stay who they are. You know,

539
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, I didn't fit in with anybody.

540
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if you were a cool kid or

541
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 1: not seem pretty cool. No, I always felt like I

542
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: wasn't like we said, like when you know what you

543
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: want to do when you're older, it kind of alienates

544
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: you from people a little bit. And I had a

545
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: great group of friends, but it was always just yeah,

546
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 1: like I always felt a little on the outside where

547
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: people mean, do you because you were the performer? No

548
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: I was. I think I was more mean to myself,

549
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 1: like I thought nobody I thought I wasn't good and

550
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: that nobody would want to hear me, do that? Were

551
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 1: you good? What would you tell that kid now that

552
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 1: you're freaking good and you should sing at the talent

553
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: shows and do all of the things that you want

554
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 1: to do not be held back by you know, stage fright?

555
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 1: Do you still have stage fright? When does it hit you?

556
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 1: It'll be random, It's not all the time, It'll just

557
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 1: be you know, if I build it up too much

558
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 1: in my head, that's when it gets to me. What

559
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 1: do you build up? Like what kind of performances to you?

560
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: Do you think you build up the most? Like when

561
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: I'm only singing one song or anthem or something like that,

562
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: Like it's just you have that one little like three

563
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: minute amount of time to like make it good. Anthems.

564
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: I've done some anthems and both. Have you done that? American?

565
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: Do you ever do them? Do you ever do them

566
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 1: both at the same time? I have? Yeah? You ever

567
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: got pressure from two countries? Now? I know everybody? Yeah?

568
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: Are they as hardcore in Canada about you not messing

569
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: up the anthem as they are in America? Yeah? I

570
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: mean if you mess it up and there is also

571
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: like some of our lyrics changed, so then it's like

572
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: if you sing they changed lyrics. Yeah, they change um.

573
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: It was like in all our sons and then they

574
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: changed it two in all of us. And so depending

575
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: on the version you sang, people get upset either way. Yeah,

576
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: because if you sing the new one, they're like, oh,

577
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 1: you're gen z, you're not respecting the old the ideas

578
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: of the country. They if you're singing the other way,

579
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: it's like, why are you just singing about sons? Yeah?

580
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: I mean I sang it the new way, and I've

581
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: felt like I got backlash from people being like, you're

582
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: singing it wrong. I'm like, well, no, it's like it's

583
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: actually this way now. Which one is harder to sing? Uh?

584
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: The American anthem? Is it? Because it's so high? Yeah?

585
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: And also just like I didn't grow up singing up

586
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: my whole life, so it's just not as natural. I

587
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: feel like, when's the first time you had to sing

588
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: the American national anthem? I was like fifteen. In my hometown,

589
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: I sang for our baseball team and they had because

590
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: we're so close to the border, we had a lot

591
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: of American players. You grew up near the border, like

592
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: an hour away from the border, How hard was it

593
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: to get across the border because you have just driven across,

594
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 1: no problem. Yeah. Oh my mom used to take us

595
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: um back to school shopping in my not, North Dakota.

596
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: I know my Okay, so now I kind of know

597
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: where you are if you're going into my not. But

598
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: you just get across the border, no problem. Just let

599
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: you come in and show. Yeah, you can go across

600
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: for a day and go shopping and hang out. I

601
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: give that song, prepare yourself, go ahead, mother. Oh yeah,

602
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: you've had started from the start and planet nob one me.

603
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: My good friend Marcy read it's closest to the song

604
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: on Its a little fast and so hot and slightly

605
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: colored gray. You can rub behind just being his planet

606
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: to you say, it's not awesome. I appreciate you saying that,

607
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: but I was just sitting there and I was like,

608
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: I can't live Eddie's late again. Started right to this

609
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: dumb little planet song and the way we went. So

610
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: let me ask you this. If this is uncomfortable, let

611
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: me know. But you and Tyler still still together? Yeah?

612
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: Everything great, Everything's great, because the last time I talked

613
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: to you, you guys were together, was a little new,

614
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: little newer, very new. Yeah, and so what's what's the

615
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: deal there? Um, yeah, we're together. We lived together. Um,

616
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: he's in the music industry now too. When we met,

617
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: he wasn't he was trying to get in. Um did

618
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: he come with you the first time I've met him? Yeah,

619
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: I'm sure you have. Um he does day to day

620
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: management for Nico Moon, So if you've yeah, seen each

621
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: other around. But he's yeah, he's in the industry. We're

622
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: both very busy, very career driven, which is awesome. Has

623
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: that made it harder that he's in the industry. No.

624
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: I think what I always thought would be weird is

625
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: if I was dating a songwriter, because I feel like

626
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: they would be like very judgmental of like your music

627
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: versus like he's almost he's very um, just business focused,

628
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: so he'll always have good ideas. He's just like it's

629
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: like free advice. It's great. I don't know free advice, man,

630
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: I get too much to them. I had too much

631
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: free advice. I want to play this clip of you

632
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: singing blue in two thousand five. This is You as

633
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: a Kid has almost four million views on TikTok. So

634
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: how old are you in the clip? I don't know, Wow,

635
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: when you had that vocal control at fourteen years old.

636
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Yeah. That was one of the first songs

637
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,479
Speaker 1: that I ever learned outside of classical music. I just

638
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: remember my mom she was like, you should learn this song,

639
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: and we just had a cassette tape of it, and I,

640
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: being a little perfectionist, determined child that I was, I

641
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: just like went into our laundry room and put that

642
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: on repeat until I could do her a little flip

643
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: thing and um. Yeah. And my grandparents actually came over

644
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: a couple of days later, and my I just remember

645
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: my grandpa saying that, like, is that the radio And

646
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: my mom was like, no, it's Neil, and they couldn't

647
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: believe it. So that was just like a cool moment.

648
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: And that was my grandpa's favorite song. When you performed

649
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: that at the opery? Did you perform that at the

650
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: opry because you knew you could re viral it? Because

651
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: that's cool? Right as a kid? Why why why that

652
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: at the opera? Yeah? I mean I just honestly, I

653
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: didn't even know we had some of those videos of

654
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: me as a kid, and um, when I played it

655
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: at the Opery, I just wanted to, you know, play

656
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: a classic, awesome song and that was one that I

657
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: had been singing my whole life, so it was also, um,

658
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: you know, kind of a tribute to my grandpa as well.

659
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: We were talking about TikTok earlier, and that video obviously

660
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: has a bunch of a bunch of views on it. Uh.

661
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: The other one that I saw they had a bunch

662
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: of its was you in the guitar where you be

663
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: dazzling a guitar. But he said the bedazzling a guitar

664
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: U That one had millions of views it did. Why

665
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: do you think things catch on TikTok? I have no clue.

666
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: I think it's one of those situations where you just

667
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: kind of have to like throw things at the wall

668
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: and sticks, because there's never been even with all of

669
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: the you know, guitar bedazzling stuff, Like I could probably

670
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: post guitar bedazzling every day and it wouldn't still get

671
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: that same amount of views. So it's like whatever catches on,

672
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: it's just almost it's a natural growth. So yeah, you

673
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: never know. I feel like you could post the same

674
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: thing five times and every time you get a different

675
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: result in views, and what the algorithm is gonna do

676
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: that day. And we just had a meeting with my show,

677
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: want to pull them all the office and we're talking

678
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: about TikTok And I just had a big prior to that,

679
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: had a big meeting with some of the people at TikTok.

680
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: And you know, they're not going to share Algorithmic's secret recipe,

681
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: but they do tell you, at least they told me.

682
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: They said, hey, there'sn't post video like crazy. You know,

683
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: with Instagram there's there's definitely a formula how many to

684
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: post on your feed and once you hit a certain threshold,

685
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: don't post this many. But TikTok, they were like, just post, post, post,

686
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: And I was like, but how do we know? Because

687
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: if I saithing really good and it doesn't catch on,

688
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: what do I do? And they were like, keep posting.

689
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: They didn't say posted again, but I feel like they

690
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: were saying post it again, honestly. And so what I'm

691
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: getting to with that is some people that I know,

692
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: they will post a song and if it doesn't catch

693
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,479
Speaker 1: on on TikTok, they're like, oh, it must not be good.

694
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: Let me move on. Where I feel like if you

695
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: tried three or four times, even though it feels maybe

696
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: a little cheesy, maybe a little cheating, that then that

697
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: would be like the accurate barometer of if people like it. Yeah,

698
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you got to play that game. If everybody

699
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: else is doing it, you have to, you know, find

700
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: creative ways to share your music and but don't give

701
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: up on it immediately and posted again if it doesn't

702
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 1: exactly Yeah, I mean, and who knows, like another clip

703
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 1: of that song might catch on more than the one

704
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,479
Speaker 1: that you posted. There's just so many opportunities there, and

705
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: that's why I'm excited to start sharing. Jealous of myself

706
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: and really like just trying out all of those different things.

707
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: I can kind of just go rogue now. And so

708
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: you didn't post stuff because you were still in the

709
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: process of figuring out what you own, what you could own,

710
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: what you might own. Yeah, we didn't have the master yet, like,

711
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: we hadn't fully recorded it, and I just I didn't

712
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: want to um really something that I wasn't sure if

713
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: I was going to be able to put it out.

714
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: So that whole time stressful for you. Yeah, I mean

715
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: it was the last year and a half has just

716
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: been very tough trying to figure out where I was

717
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,919
Speaker 1: going to go creatively. And when I found the song,

718
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: it was actually on TikTok. This is one of the

719
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: only songs that I haven't written that I'm releasing. What

720
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: do you mean, I'm gonna pull up your TikTok? And yeah,

721
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 1: I didn't just grab my phone to be really um.

722
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: So yeah, I was scrolling through TikTok and at the time,

723
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: I didn't follow Emily Wiseman, and I have no idea

724
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: why this showed up. It was a god thing, a

725
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 1: timing thing, and it was this song. And she's an

726
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: incredible writer in town. She you know, has had a

727
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: ton of success, and I've always been open to outside songs.

728
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: I think best song always wins, and unfortunately I just

729
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: like hadn't really been pitched a ton of incredible songs.

730
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: So I was just not really even looking but scrolling

731
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 1: through and her she came up singing this song called

732
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: Jealousy and Myself, and she just sang verse chorus and

733
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: at the end, you know, she did her little TikTok

734
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 1: thing where she's like, what artist wants to sing this

735
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 1: song or whatever? And I heard that hook and was like, dang,

736
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: I wish I wrote that. So I just commented the

737
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 1: little hand up emoji and was like, I'd like to see,

738
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: and I reached out to my team. I I sent

739
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: the the TikTok over and was like, I don't want

740
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: this song. I think it's really great. I haven't even

741
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: heard the whole thing. I've only heard a first of chorus,

742
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: but um, I think this would be awesome. That's how

743
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: I got it. That's a pretty cool story. Mostly it's

744
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: so it puts out a song, it gets a bunch

745
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: of a bunch of views, and you decide what to

746
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: do with it. But you actually found a song for

747
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: you to cut that way. Yeah, that's the first I

748
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: think we've heard of that where you hesitate when you

749
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: heard the fullest song, like, oh maybe I didn't want

750
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 1: this whole thing. Oh no, that would be funny. But no, Honestly,

751
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: when I heard the full version, it just like I

752
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: had this incredible gut feeling of like, Okay, this is it,

753
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: Like I need to fight to have this song, and um,

754
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: you know it's stacked full of incredible writers, and um,

755
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: you know, I just I think there's awesome songs being

756
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 1: written every single day in this town. And I'm so

757
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: open to those outside songs because I know people are

758
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: going to outrighte me. You have a lot of followers, Yeah,

759
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: a little bit. It's good you have more followers on

760
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: tak talk to Instagram. I think it's about the same

761
00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: right now. That's awesome. You have to in ten thousand

762
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: followers on TikTok. Let me do a little let me

763
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: see what you're doing over here on TikTok. Okay, so

764
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: what do you want to post on TikTok. I'm totally

765
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 1: into TikTok mindset right next that is three meetings about it,

766
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: And I was talking through TikTok and so like, I'm

767
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 1: kind of reevaluating stuff my stuff, Like what is your goal?

768
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 1: What do you want to put on TikTok? You're motivating me? Um,

769
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: I just want to share who I am, which I

770
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: also feel like some of the stuff that I'm sharing

771
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: are like videos that my fans have made, like they

772
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: are so awesome and they'll take things from you know,

773
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,439
Speaker 1: any time I talk about mental health or anything like that,

774
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: they're always super um engaging and supportive of that. So

775
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: I'm always trying to do that. I'm trying to be real.

776
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: I'm just you know, trying to post my music. I'll

777
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: go live doing my makeup before show because I do

778
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 1: all of my own stuff, and um, I'll go live,

779
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: but dazzling things or making one of a kind pieces

780
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: that I'm going to give away to a fan or

781
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: whatever it is, I just I kind of throw it

782
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 1: all in there. It's a very creative space for me.

783
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: One of the things they were telling me was, don't

784
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: worry about producing stuff or editing stuff. Like the stuff

785
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: that does the best is the stuff that is just

786
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: like real deal, like post it raw as possible, like

787
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: find that balance of raw and good, like you just

788
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: want to want to post garbage, but like good raw

789
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: stuff is the best because what people want to see. Now,

790
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if you have be real or if

791
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 1: you use that at all. It's it's a new social

792
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: media new ish has. I've been on it for seven

793
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: or eight months or so, and that whole app was

794
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: based on social media. And you can't edit anything. It's

795
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 1: throughout the day. It will give you a little alert,

796
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: all right, show what you're doing now, and it shows

797
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: you and what you're doing. You can't edit anything. It's

798
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: like a picture of video of right then well not TikTok.

799
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: You started, Well they stole it, so TikTok has that

800
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: to do you do you ever get the lightning bolts?

801
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 1: And it's like, all right, TikTok, show you're what you're doing.

802
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't have the update. Maybe just you know,

803
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: you have a lot of followers, like no, but now

804
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: you know my whole point with that is, and I'm

805
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: looking at some of yours. I mean, I think that's

806
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,919
Speaker 1: what you're doing, right, You're showing you it's just you,

807
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: and like here's one that's thousand. I'm sure this is

808
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: It's another be dazzle? Is it? People apparently like to Yeah,

809
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 1: arts in every way. I like to bring arts into

810
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: everything that I do. And it's so people always like,

811
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 1: how is that your real last name? I'm like, well

812
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: it is. And I also just like I didn't even

813
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 1: think about that. I haven't think about that part of it.

814
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: Do you make clothes? You ever tried that? I actually

815
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: bought a sewing machine um and have been messing around

816
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: with some things, but I'm not quite good enough yet.

817
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: I just recently started embroidering, and obviously I paint and

818
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, But I make clothes. Scrapbook No,

819
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: I can't scrap book. I dont even know what that

820
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: is though, I'll be honest with you. I think it's

821
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: like it's a like at least call him like a

822
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: what do you year book? That's what I think. Scrapbook

823
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 1: is like you just take different years and picture and

824
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: buy a bunch of different colored paper. I don't know.

825
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 1: You can still play your song, right, you're number one shows.

826
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: There's nothing weird to buy that? No? No, actually, Um,

827
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: with the DreamCatcher Artists deal, Um, they bought back all

828
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: of my masters, so we have all of my music.

829
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: How much that cost? I bought it? I have to

830
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: talk to my managers. I had to buy because I

831
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 1: had signed a deal to do a couple of comedy

832
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: records with the label and they were great, and but

833
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: inside of that deal, they also had part of my touring,

834
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: part of my merch and I didn't need them to

835
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: promote anything. I'm my own promotion. So I was like,

836
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: guess I don't this is not cool. I don't doing

837
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: this anymore. And I was, and so I had to

838
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: buy it back and telling what it ain't cheap? Yeah,

839
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: I mean it's hard once you're in a deal. Um,

840
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: it's really hard to get out of and sometimes you

841
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: outgrow it or whatever it is. And I've just seen

842
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: so many of my friends recently, people that I know,

843
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: people that have done radio shows with that um are

844
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: involved in deals and then it goes great for a

845
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: little while and then it doesn't and you're stuck there.

846
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: And Mike, what, I don't know when we're gonna this

847
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: is going up? Because her song goes up October? Are

848
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: we after that? The day before? Okay? So this will

849
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 1: be out the day so tomorrow or whenever. Jealous myself

850
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: will be available for everybody. So am I hearing it before? Correct? Could? Okay,

851
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: it's a time machine right now, we're in a time machine.

852
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: And then you're planning to go to Coach Radio like

853
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: January next year. Man, that's a long time. I know,

854
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: but we've actually you know, I just think with the

855
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: transition and everything going on, and this musical direction is

856
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: a little bit different, and so I just wanted to

857
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: give it some time to to grow. We're going through

858
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: the holidays and all of that. I just didn't want to,

859
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: you know, force it to radio too soon. Also, I'm

860
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: an idiot because we're I mean, it always feels like

861
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: it's April or to me mid October. By the time

862
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: it's then it's thanks No, nothing happens after Thanksgiving, so

863
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: you don't want to be doing crap after Thanksgiving. So

864
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Then, well, you had a number one

865
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: during the pandemic. You know which, great right you get?

866
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: You have a number one you worked hard for It

867
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: took a long time to get there. You you hustled

868
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: your butt off. I saw it, and that's the positive

869
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 1: because you always have a number one, but during the pandemic.

870
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 1: So it was definitely a weirder time for music, very weird.

871
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: I had also just released an album and I really

872
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: never even got to play those songs, you know. Um,

873
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: I know a lot of artists went through that where

874
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: they just released an album and then pandemic hit and

875
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: you never even got to play those songs for fans

876
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: be out there and actually see how they've connected. And

877
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: that's how the number one was for me. Like I

878
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: had heard it on the radio and I knew that

879
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: people were connecting with it, but it wasn't until one

880
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 1: of those first shows back where I actually saw that wow,

881
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,959
Speaker 1: this had an impact and that people were singing every

882
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: word back. Yeah, but that's cool because you really don't know, no,

883
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: And like that's the thing about social media and all that.

884
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: It's like you can't tell what's real, Like you really

885
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: don't know how much you've impacted people until you go

886
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: and see them in person. So I want to talk

887
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: about songwriting for just a second, and how sometimes you

888
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: have to be uncomfortably vulnerable or it's just uncomfortable for

889
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: people to hear you sharing your thoughts and emotions, many

890
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: people that you know. So you and Tyler have been

891
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,720
Speaker 1: together three years, if I remember correctly, you had been

892
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: with a previous boyfriend for many whatever was a long

893
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:45,280
Speaker 1: one for that, right, So are there still songs about

894
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: that that you have to sing now that you're current partner?

895
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: Here is and it's like I think he's confident enough

896
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: that it doesn't think too much about it. I mean,

897
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: there's what's really funny is that, like he was like,

898
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: why are you so drawn to this jealous of myself song?

899
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: You know, because it's like a breakup song, And um,

900
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: there have been times where I've come home after writing

901
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: a breakup song and he's just like, are we good? Like, yeah,

902
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: we're good. I just still have some healing to do, apparently,

903
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: you know, if that stuff comes up in a in

904
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: a writing session it's like you just kind of have

905
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: to lean into it and and know that. I also

906
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 1: know now that I'm not only writing for myself. You know,

907
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: I can draw of you know, my my siblings experiences,

908
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: or my friends or you know, my fans. There's just

909
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: a lot of people in my life that inspire me.

910
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: So I like to write about everything. Any More. Shows

911
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: still the end of the year. Yeah, we've got a

912
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: few um here and they're doing a lot of um

913
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: like radio stuff. We're getting back out there. Yeah. I

914
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: just actually had my first writing session in like four

915
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: months today today, No, um Friday, did you write anything good? Yeah?

916
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: Do you ever write something You're like Dane, that song's good.

917
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: Then you go back in liten to it. A month

918
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: later You're like, Dane, that song is not good. Sometimes

919
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 1: That's why I really like to sit on my things

920
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: because I I really don't like too I feel like

921
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: I'm a very good judge of my own music, and

922
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: I have to let it sit for a minute. Like

923
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: I can't just be super overhyped about it. I have

924
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: to listen to it with fresh ears and be like,

925
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: was that actually good or not? Mhmm. Yeah. I start

926
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: if we're writing something funny, It's not funny anymore after

927
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 1: about thirty minutes, and then I have to just convince

928
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: myself that originally it was funny and then finish it.

929
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: And then I have to wait two or three months

930
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: sometimes to go back and go, oh, that was funny.

931
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: Or sometimes I'm like, you're not funny, like that makes

932
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: no sense at all. Yeah, sometimes I'm like, okay, we

933
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: thought we were. Really. One time, I wrote a truck

934
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: song and I went back home and played it for

935
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: my boyfriend and he's like, you know that chuck that

936
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: you just mentioned, Yeah, that doesn't exist, and like it

937
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: would never have that amount of horsepower and like all

938
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: these things, and I was super Yeah, I was like okay, Dann,

939
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: because I wrote it with two other girls and we

940
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 1: just really we thought we were doing our truck research,

941
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: but we weren't. That's funny that it wasn't even a

942
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: real truck, Like yeah, he was like, will I forget

943
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: what it was? It was like a two tone Tacoma

944
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: or something, and we looked it up and it was

945
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: like somebody in their backyard like painted a two tone

946
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 1: to come. You have this song? Are you working on

947
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: a broader either like EP or album or is that

948
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,720
Speaker 1: the idea to for next year? Possibly, yeah, something for sure.

949
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: I mean I really just got back into writing and

950
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: have had this, you know, fun idea to kind of

951
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: bring in some like eighties sounds which you'll hear and

952
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: Jealous of Myself, like with the keys and stuff I

953
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: just wanted to you know, brings a different sound to

954
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: what I've been doing for a long time, but kind

955
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: of mesh it all together. So well, if people are

956
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: listening to this right now, this song is probably out

957
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 1: this this is coming out the day before, but most

958
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 1: of the consumption is done in the first few days

959
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 1: of of this podcast, and so I encourage everybody to

960
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 1: check out Jealous of Myself. It is up unless it's

961
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: unless you're a super rabid fan of this podcast, and

962
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: then you have to wait like probably like sixteen hours

963
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 1: or stuff. Well, I'm excited that you kind of figured

964
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: out where your seat is and now you're in it

965
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: and you're moving forward, and I'm assuming you feel kind

966
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,399
Speaker 1: of reinvigorated, like something to prove you got a team

967
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: that kind of have an awesome team that has worked

968
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: hard and accomplished so much during a year that I

969
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: felt like we were you know, we kind of had

970
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: her hands tied a little bit. So I'm so excited

971
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,240
Speaker 1: to see what everybody can do. And we are still

972
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: like just full steam ahead. Next time I see you,

973
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 1: how's it going with your sister? Would be interesting? Yeah,

974
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: maybe we'll bring her in her next time. It'll be interesting.

975
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: You guys follow at tannil Arts, so i'll spell it

976
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: for you just in case. T E n I L

977
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 1: l e a r t s at Taniel Arts on

978
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: TikTok and Instagram. She's got a new song out. She's

979
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,720
Speaker 1: a whole new person. She's like the range is taller,

980
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: the older person. It's crazy. Um and I hope you

981
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: guys check out Jealous of Myself that is out now'iel.

982
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: Good to see you, Thanks so much, b