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Speaker 1: Sleby Club, Nadia Kamenecchi, my star students at my academy.

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Speaker 2: Come sit on Papa Vella's lap. Okay, Nadia, let me

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Speaker 2: touch your stomach and see how many ounces of salmon

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Speaker 2: you ate today.

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Speaker 3: I went fishing with my family and we caught the salmon.

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Speaker 3: We all split it thirteen ways.

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Speaker 2: Nadia. That is not allowed too much salmon. You will

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Speaker 2: ever be able to do your routine on the uneven

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Speaker 2: bars and defeat the evil Soviet Union.

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Speaker 3: I thought grilled fish four ounces was good.

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Speaker 2: Three three ounces.

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Speaker 3: I am so sorry, my Olympic medal winning coach Bella.

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Speaker 2: I forgive you this time. Nadia.

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Speaker 3: Can I have one small piece of ninety nine percent chocolate?

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Speaker 4: Please?

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Speaker 2: Please one more time, but be very desperate about it.

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Speaker 4: Please no. Okay, will go practice?

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Speaker 2: That is good. Who's that knocking at the door. It's

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Speaker 2: all your friends. You've filthy whore, your husband's gone, and

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Speaker 2: you've got books and a bottle of wine to kill.

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Speaker 4: It's Hollywood.

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Speaker 2: It's books, it's gossip. I'm sure it's memoir. It's Martini.

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Speaker 2: Celebrity poof Club, read it while it's hot. Celebrity poof Club,

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Speaker 2: tell your secrets.

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Speaker 4: We won't talk celebrity books.

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Speaker 2: No boys are a loud celet book say it loud

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Speaker 2: and poud.

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Speaker 3: Celebrity book club buzz me in, I brought the queer vow.

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Speaker 4: Hey, best friend, do you look kealthy?

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Speaker 2: I feel very healthy. I had an amazing night last

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Speaker 2: night walking the red carpet at the met Gala.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so this podcast will come out about three weeks

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Speaker 3: after the megal but we're about to talk about it

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Speaker 3: just because my mom just texted with her favorite outfits

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Speaker 3: of the night and I have to share.

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Speaker 2: Okay Ro's review here. It is the new coach o

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Speaker 2: carus Cide.

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Speaker 3: Let's go Razukaro. Her favorites were Jared Leto.

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Speaker 4: Of course she.

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Speaker 2: Was Jared Letto, who came as a furs suitor.

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Speaker 3: Full furry as pouchet shoe pet, shoe pet. My mom

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Speaker 3: then says, followed by the famous Anna and her question

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Speaker 2: Though famous Anna, who Ferris?

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Speaker 4: Are you even gay?

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Speaker 3: And a win tour heard yeah, okay, and a freaking

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Speaker 3: who I remember years ago I didn't realize and I

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Speaker 3: was on the upper east side outside of the Carlisle

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Speaker 3: on the day of the Mecala, and I saw Amanda

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Speaker 3: seafried and justin long running from the hotel jumping in

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Speaker 3: a big suv and I saw Nami Campbell that day.

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Speaker 4: It was an insane.

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Speaker 2: Congrats, that's future social ruddy high.

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Speaker 4: Celebrity high. That was twenty sixteen. That's my hottest celebrity gossip.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, god, the mat Gala, as I was

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Speaker 2: expounded upon on Twitter last night, It's absolutely ridiculous. I

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Speaker 2: mean it's just like celebrities in these insane drag queen

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Speaker 2: Halloween costumes and I'm just like the first huritter thing

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Speaker 2: for shoe Pat. I'm like, cool, you've heard that he

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Speaker 2: has a cat, and you're being.

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Speaker 4: Like so cooky, like ridiculous and like a stuff.

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Speaker 3: I remember when you actually bore an outfit to the

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Speaker 2: I'm giving a big thumbs down to Everybody's like really desperate, tired.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's like Carlowood Chanel. So I'm gonna do the like

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Speaker 2: woven channel pattern, but like do it as a dress

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Speaker 2: or do it as something else? Like I almost want

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Speaker 2: more cats. I just feel like Carlo Gifeld is this

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Speaker 2: insane faggot. If I may be so bold.

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Speaker 4: No one's ever said he's gay before but.

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Speaker 2: It's just like, where's the desperation, where's the gay panic?

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Speaker 2: You know, here was someone who was so self conscious

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Speaker 2: he couldn't take the glasses off. Then he like got fat,

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Speaker 2: then he lost all that weight on a crazy diet. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I remember an insane like Romanian gymnast diet, which we'll

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Speaker 2: Like where was the hauntedness?

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Speaker 3: The fact that everything was just like black and white,

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Speaker 3: and it's like Carla was one of the most insane figures.

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Speaker 2: There was this who was the model who was like

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Speaker 2: and they were like, she evokes his iconic white shirt

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Speaker 3: Do you remember when there was a Garl Loverfelt x

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Speaker 4: Somebody should have woren that, I know, do you remember?

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Speaker 3: And I had a really thin collar and it was

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Speaker 4: Yes, And I was like, this.

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Speaker 2: Is so cool because that was when you were still

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Speaker 2: plying to be designer and you did or did not

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Speaker 2: get into Parsons. Refresh my memory.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I will refresh everyone's memory.

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Speaker 3: I did not get into actually didn't even apply because

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Speaker 2: They were like, absolutely, as I've said many times, you're

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Speaker 4: I am not for the charcoal normal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Sorry, we're gonna do these normative fashion drawings and

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Speaker 3: Speaking of fashion, before we get into a book, I

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Speaker 3: want to talk about I love You're new. You're wearing

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Speaker 3: this super simple white quicksilver tea thank you, and you've

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Speaker 2: Well, I discovered the word thrashed, which is a search

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Speaker 2: find shirts that are really that kind of lived in

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Speaker 4: I wanted that totally nineties.

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Speaker 2: We're hangs off you in this way that just feels

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Speaker 3: Some may say almost it's like searching for the boyfriend tea.

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Speaker 2: When I heard the term thrashed, I immediately wanted to

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Speaker 2: ground about four different teas. This one did come from Ukraine.

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Speaker 4: The amount of grail, everything on Grailed comes from Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, what's going on there? Is that just

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Speaker 4: Oh fuck, I need to sell my vintage teas.

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Speaker 2: Now, or people trying to use that as like sympathy.

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Speaker 3: So all these vintage guys like crossing the border into

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Speaker 2: There from the post office in Kiev.

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Speaker 3: I am wearing, well, I'm wearing white jeans that I

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Speaker 4: Coffee gatoray blood, what have you.

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Speaker 3: And I know sometimes like white jeans like look cool dirty,

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Speaker 4: So what do you think, I just kind of bleached.

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Speaker 2: They look incredible, They look brand new. I would wear

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Speaker 4: Okay, wedding pants. Speaking of weddings.

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Speaker 3: The person we read today, she's married and she had

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Speaker 3: one of the most iconic weddings in Romania.

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Speaker 4: Hunty yah mom.

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Speaker 2: All of Romania turned it out for her and they

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Speaker 4: Queen Orthodox traditions.

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Speaker 2: What did y'all know? In Orthodox for many wedding was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of detail works East Cambridge, So of

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Speaker 4: Why don't you check yourself?

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Speaker 3: You are thinking that, why are we allowed to only

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Speaker 2: Thank you? Okay, because it's fucking Balkan months that Celebrity

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Speaker 4: So Grilla your chavapi, because.

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Speaker 2: We are talking about one of the most talented famous

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Speaker 4: Woman, an activist and a hero.

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Speaker 2: A political a mother, a lover, a child, a student,

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Speaker 2: a daughter, and now a writer. Of course, we're talking

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Speaker 2: about the perfect ten, the first person to ever get

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Speaker 4: And her book Letters to a Young Gymnast.

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Speaker 2: Wow, and what a book.

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Speaker 4: What a book.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be a little bit honest with you, Okay.

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Speaker 3: Took me a while to kind of get into the

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Speaker 2: The book is written as if she's responding to these

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Speaker 2: by like gymnast fans, and so the whole book is

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Speaker 2: her being like friend, I know, you're wondering about my

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Speaker 3: But first we only had one loaf of bread in

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Speaker 4: And then she also get like.

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Speaker 2: Mad at This is the the letters defensive book I've

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Speaker 3: It's very and that's actually kind of when I got

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Speaker 2: Just the position, the defensiveness really comes through. So for

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Speaker 2: those of you who do know a quick background, gymnastics

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Speaker 2: is a very rigorous sport. It involves pushing the body

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Speaker 2: to its absolute most extreme limits.

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Speaker 3: And if you had no idea about gymnastics, usually the

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Speaker 3: most successful folks in the sport are fourteen year old.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's a sport for children. You peek at fifth team.

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Speaker 3: And then your career is over and you're pushed, and

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Speaker 2: Your pus because it's easier to sort of fly up

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Speaker 3: Famously, and Nadia, she won her gold medal nineteen seventy.

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Speaker 2: Six Montreal Olympiques, and she was, as we mentioned before,

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Speaker 2: the first Prion to ever receive a perfect ten for team.

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Speaker 4: You're always seeing, you know, nine point four.

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Speaker 4: I watched her performance.

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Speaker 2: It's stunning, beautiful, It's absolutely stunning.

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Speaker 4: But the way Nadia was trained by famous trainer.

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Speaker 2: Bet and Martha his wife, so a little bit worn background.

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Speaker 3: Also why they're basically like mal nor so their diet

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Speaker 4: But this whole book is set up of her.

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Speaker 3: Vibes absolutely, And she starts to have disagreements with him,

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Speaker 2: I don't need to be raised by a psycho Romanian, Jim.

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Speaker 2: I think she's two minutes to shower. She's not wasting water.

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Speaker 2: Some communists Romania, Yeah, okay, shower one pot of water

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Speaker 2: Okay, I do love how like randomly cocky shoes all

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Speaker 4: Then she chose this huge mission where also she is mad.

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Speaker 4: You're American.

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Speaker 3: Every day you wake up and you have a choice.

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Speaker 4: No, I went back and I shared a loaf of

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Speaker 3: But then, what so fab is better is when she

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Speaker 3: Yes, she's like, I am so sorry for how I dressed.

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Speaker 3: I wore fishnets and small, tiny shiny tops.

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Speaker 3: No, I know, I was like the outfit you're describing

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Speaker 2: But she had to live a very very monastic life

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Speaker 4: Oh if this also.

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Speaker 3: Book begins so Marina and insane and she's like, when

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Speaker 4: One day it was gone.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then wait, so do you remember when they

444
00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,119
Speaker 3: brought a girl who they thought was like sainted to

445
00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,280
Speaker 3: the Gillette Stadium in like the nineties, like.

446
00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,000
Speaker 2: Somewherel like bless the Patriots.

447
00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,479
Speaker 3: No, so everyone could like see her like holiness. It

448
00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,600
Speaker 3: was like she had some disease and like came over

449
00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,960
Speaker 3: it and everyone was like, oh my god, you've been

450
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,080
Speaker 3: touched by God. And they literally like brought her to

451
00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,719
Speaker 3: the center of Gillette Stadium and people would like go

452
00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:34,440
Speaker 3: see her for a day.

453
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,959
Speaker 2: No, I don't remember this traveling circus. Did you go?

454
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:38,320
Speaker 4: I didn't go.

455
00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,880
Speaker 2: You wanted to, and I think got touched by God.

456
00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:43,240
Speaker 4: Drive me to Gillette Stadium.

457
00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:55,280
Speaker 2: The Saint is coming. The beginning is very Marina Bramovich,

458
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,800
Speaker 2: but like, okay, unlike Marina Bramovich not to like pit

459
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:00,560
Speaker 2: two Balkan women against each other, but like.

460
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:04,320
Speaker 3: You always just you always bid Vulcan women against tug Marina.

461
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,399
Speaker 2: His parents being like high up in the Communist party,

462
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,400
Speaker 2: she actually had a lot more ability to come and

463
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 2: go and all the privileges in the country. And even

464
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 2: though Naught he was this huge star because her parents

465
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 2: like were not really involved in the party and she

466
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 2: she had like no special privileges in the country at all.

467
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 2: And the biggest issue is that Bella was Hungarian.

468
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,399
Speaker 4: And the President I.

469
00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:30,760
Speaker 2: Like don't know how to say his name. There's so

470
00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 2: many season is in't it. Yeah, it's like cos Cusco

471
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:38,359
Speaker 2: or something. President Costco, just like their communist dictator, was

472
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 2: like a obsessed with the Jenapsis team because he was like, oh,

473
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 2: they're so famous, they're representing us, but hated Bella because

474
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 2: he's Hungarian and he's so pure blood and being like

475
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,200
Speaker 2: racist against Hungarian. He's like literally calls them like half

476
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 2: bloods or like muggles or and.

477
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:55,719
Speaker 3: Then he basically like has this like full crazy meeting

478
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 3: and like Nadia doesn't totally know what's going on, and

479
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 3: Bella is just being like, I fear for my life.

480
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 4: I have to go.

481
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 3: So they're in America and Bella tries to tell her

482
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 3: and they all like have their three hours to like

483
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 3: all the Olympic girls, they're three hours to go shopping

484
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 3: in NYC bat Shopping Street. It is such a like

485
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 3: beautician in the Beast movie montage of these girls being

486
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 3: like I will have one pair of jeans a gap.

487
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 2: All these little like sixteen year old Romanian girls going

488
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 2: to the.

489
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 4: Gap and like Fifth Avenue.

490
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 3: So they're all coming back with their big gap bags

491
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 3: to like the Times Square Hilton, and Bella is like,

492
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 3: this is goodbye, and she's like what And then he's like,

493
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 3: do you want to come with me?

494
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,639
Speaker 2: And she's just like, ha, what are you talking about?

495
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 2: Because she's been so trained to like kind of ignore

496
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 2: anything that seems out of the ordinary, because like everything

497
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 2: could be a trick and you can't trust anyone, and

498
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 2: like the Romanian Secret Service is always gonna put a

499
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 2: bullet in your head and like, but also Bella's always

500
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 2: playing mind games with them, also.

501
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,199
Speaker 3: Starving them, so she's like, I don't know what's going on.

502
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 3: This could just be him training me to like not

503
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 3: love him, to love him more.

504
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 2: Right, so that like she doesn't get distracted at the

505
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 2: next champion, Like I.

506
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 3: Too if I don't know this mustachio like trainer of

507
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 3: mine at the Holiday Inn in Times Square was like

508
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 3: Lily gone with me, right, I would be like no.

509
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 2: You'd be like, ha ha, this is like a funny,

510
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 2: weird trick.

511
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I'm going back on my big bus.

512
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 3: And then they go back to Romania.

513
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,159
Speaker 2: And then the Curly don't come back and they defected

514
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 2: in like eighty one and then she spent the next

515
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 2: ten years in the eighties just kind of like being

516
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 2: poor and random.

517
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 3: And Bucharest, and then finally like she's teamed up with

518
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 3: like Bella again and she's just like so ashamed, and

519
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 3: I'm sure she looked normal, but she was like, I

520
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 3: was so fat and he was like you're so fat?

521
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 2: Well you ever like, oh, that's in between Olympics, So

522
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 2: that's after she went, yeah.

523
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 4: Like, let's get the timeline. So she's what fifteen sixteen.

524
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 2: I think she's like fourteen, wins the Olympics post that

525
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 2: she moves to buch Rest when she's like sixteen, and

526
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 2: she like has ice cream for the first time.

527
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 4: Oh, and she was like it was so because.

528
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 2: What's happened is Bella's no longer her coach because the

529
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 2: president was like, I don't want Hungarians working with my Romanians. Yes,

530
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 2: so she kind of no longer has her like strict

531
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 2: evil daddy like cracking the whip, So she just goes

532
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 2: to Bucharest and eats ice cream randomly.

533
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 3: And then they also let them go to the movies

534
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 3: and she didn't have this insanely crazy schedule that Bella

535
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 3: dictated for.

536
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 2: Her exactly and then at that point, Bella comes back.

537
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 2: He knocks on her door and he's just like, bitch,

538
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 2: you're fat, Like you need to get back into the gym,

539
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 2: and she's like, honestly.

540
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,880
Speaker 4: Heard a word her period, Let's go.

541
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 2: And so she does start training with Daddy again, and

542
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 2: then she does end up going with the remaining team

543
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 2: to the nineteen eighty Olympics and like World Championship seventy eight,

544
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 2: like sort of end of the seven that decade, and

545
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,919
Speaker 2: does like wit a bunch of metals again. And then

546
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 2: it's in eighty one when they're in New York and

547
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 2: they c on the girl shopping trip.

548
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 4: They named it. The official tour was called Nadia eighty one.

549
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. So back to the thread where we first discussed

550
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,719
Speaker 2: how she moves to Bucharest. Yes, so at one point

551
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 2: during her sort of the ice Cream years, this is

552
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 2: when like it's rumored that she's like dating the president's

553
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 2: son and she's being like.

554
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 4: Uh, actually, Nico, I will not tell you about me.

555
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 2: I'm not telling you about our relationships. Suffice to say

556
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 2: we weren't girlfriend and boyfriend, and I'm just like, y'all fucked.

557
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 2: Is the vibe I'm getting.

558
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 4: From her insane.

559
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 2: Also the part where she's like, no, I didn't try

560
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 2: and kill myself with bleach, stop asking.

561
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 4: You're like, I never mentioned anything.

562
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 2: Wait, that's the part it just kind of comes out

563
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 2: of nowhere. Friend, I did not blame you for the

564
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 2: big question you asked in your letter, and you're just

565
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 2: like again, I get the conceit of this book is

566
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 2: that you're responding to letters, but after a while you're

567
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 2: a little bit like this is a.

568
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 4: Memoir, so like I don't see the letter.

569
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 2: Okay, here's my thing about the writings of this book.

570
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 2: I feel like it's a red herring where like she

571
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 2: kind of is not that smart because A she's an athlete.

572
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 2: B she like peaked at fifteen, and like is still

573
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 2: a child, and like she's just this child gymnast and

574
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 2: the star the brain, the brain, like you didn't have

575
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 2: enough aminium acids or whatever. And I'm just kind of

576
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 2: like it's written like a child, and I feel like

577
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 2: the letter format is a kind of cover for the

578
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 2: fact that it's written that's kind of dumb.

579
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 3: Way it reminds me of I used to buy these

580
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 3: like four kids sports biographies.

581
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 2: As a child, of course, or not anymore.

582
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 4: No, not anymore. I'm not getting Ken Griffy Junior.

583
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 2: Kids Illustrated bio. It's forty six pages.

584
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so it's written like that. But then angry

585
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 4: and Eastern European, she.

586
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 2: Goes, You're right to think I wouldn't like it, but

587
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 2: it must be answered. Yes, I was very unhappy in

588
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy eight. But no, I did not attempt suicide

589
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 2: by drinking the bottle of bleach because I saw my

590
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 2: boyfriend with another girl as the movie Nadia showed. And

591
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, okay, so this unauthorized biopic really pissed

592
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 2: you off.

593
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like you're only mentioning the.

594
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 2: Audio hasn't mentioned it once. And then all of a sudden, no,

595
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 2: I didn't drink bleach, and stop asking give my back.

596
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 3: And then when she does, like be confessional this probably

597
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 3: she's a CUREE was a little secret friend. Throughout my

598
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 3: years of training competition. I always kept a reserve of energy.

599
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,479
Speaker 3: Let's say Bella wanted me to do fifteen laps, I

600
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 3: did ten. I like, that's her confession is that she

601
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 3: actually never fully extended herself. She always kept the reserve.

602
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 2: Yes, because she knew she needed it and when she

603
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 2: was older, she was more sort of in touch with

604
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 2: her own body and really understanding her energy.

605
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,239
Speaker 3: So when she finally does defect, and she does it

606
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 3: by going to the border for like dinners, so they

607
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 3: wouldn't suspect.

608
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's going to all these parties on the Hungarian

609
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 2: border with like people who have defected.

610
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 3: And at this point also she is being like, yeah, Romanians,

611
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 3: like we party, and you're like, I thought you were

612
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 3: saying you were so disciplined and you timed yourself from

613
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 3: two to two.

614
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 2: Well, but now she's done being a gymnast.

615
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 3: And she's just like, oh, Romanians, yeah we get, we drink.

616
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: No, she's definitely drinking like ninety percent like grain alcohol

617
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 2: over malten liquor super malted, and like all this like

618
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 2: dusty bread that she's dealing and.

619
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 3: Finishing the dinner to like confuse the authorities. Then one

620
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 3: day she does it and then they run into Hungary.

621
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 2: That sequence was terrifying, and she.

622
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 4: Was like I could have gotten shot in the head.

623
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: Pitch black. They don't know where they're going.

624
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 3: And so they are most to meet Constantine, who, Yeah,

625
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 3: this shady guy, as she says in her letters, people

626
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 3: think we have a romantic relationship. But I will not

627
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 3: even answer that.

628
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 2: And it's like, so you definitely did. And then and

629
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 2: so they have this press conference when she gets back

630
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 2: to America finally that's like where she's kind of cold

631
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: and terse, and they're like, wait, did you know that Constantine,

632
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 2: like your Shirpa has this wife and she goes, so whatcked?

633
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 2: And she like famously says so what. So everyone's like, no,

634
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 2: the other home wrecker. And she's kind of been like, yes,

635
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 2: we were fucking, but it's like, not your business. Stop asking.

636
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 4: Even at many points that's none of your business.

637
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 3: And you're like, okay, I'll stop reading.

638
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 2: And you're just like, first of all, and it writes

639
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 2: these fake letters you keep referring to.

640
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 3: Okay, I got this book of thriftbooks dot com. Actually

641
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 3: it made me think crow where it's like people get

642
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 3: so angry at her for this random ass press conference

643
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 3: she gave on NBC in nineteen eighty three.

644
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 4: It's just like, right, well, she didn't know English.

645
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: She literally couldn't speak English. But you know that was

646
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: the one out that they had. Celebrities did not have

647
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: their social media.

648
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 3: They go she'd have a team. She just had Constantine.

649
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 3: I bee like her and Constantine did sleep together, but

650
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,479
Speaker 3: it wasn't like every night, you know what I mean.

651
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 3: Like I felt like they stepped together a few times

652
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,959
Speaker 3: and it was weird and romantic and jealous yet parental.

653
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it was jealous and parental and jealous and parental

654
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: sex for sure.

655
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, some of the sexiest guys.

656
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, where she's definitely like I feel like she's so

657
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 2: athletic and springy in the gym, but then in the

658
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 2: bed is cold. Is a little bit of a cold

659
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 2: fish until until she meets me. It's Bart, the male

660
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 2: American gymnast that she.

661
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 4: Of course very attractive and from I'll.

662
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: Go And they moved to Oklahoma where they.

663
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 4: Have a gym.

664
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 3: Any couple that owns a gym abuse.

665
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 4: I'm just like, when is the audience back.

666
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 2: To the Megan Kelly thing? Where'm like Megan Kelly. The

667
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 2: lesson from this is not that just like predators are

668
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 2: friendly and like always like coming up from behind a

669
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 2: corner with a loaf of bread. It's like, if you're

670
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: the team doctor to like a group of eleven year

671
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 2: old girls on like a secluded private ranch like Sketchy,

672
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 2: that is a huge red flag. Maybe that's kind of

673
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 2: the lesson there.

674
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 3: If you go into sports and medicine and are only

675
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 3: treating the women's soccer team.

676
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 2: Right, and you're like a creepy old man. Like again,

677
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 2: that's sketchy.

678
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 4: I mean case in point, which we talked about on.

679
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 3: The last lounge, my kar Sure is currently at Wallpole

680
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 3: State Penitentiary or molesting multiple girls in karate. Yes, and

681
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 3: at the dealer. I call it a dealership because the

682
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 3: karate studio was a karate dealership and the second floor

683
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 3: of above a motorcycle dealership, which is already screams.

684
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 2: And you were was not molested.

685
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 3: But there were some times where I was like, I

686
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 3: feel insecure, it's all boys, Like should I stick with karate?

687
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 3: And he did bring me into his office alone, alone, alone,

688
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 3: and did encourage me to stick with it, with it, yeah,

689
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 3: and luckily nothing happened.

690
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 4: But yeah, my Dodo Muster is currently in jail.

691
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 2: Lesson learned.

692
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, to her and Bart, their romance is unbelieve. It's

693
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 3: a fair though, And this is where I got I

694
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 3: start really getting into the book. So her and Bart

695
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 3: meet during the Olympics and they are just friends and

696
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 3: they have a great connection but she's like only because

697
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 3: he is so kind. Then it turns out when she's

698
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 3: in America, Constantine has been keeping Bella and bart from

699
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 3: contacting her.

700
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 2: No, Constantine is being shady, and of course she's drawn

701
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: to controlling men. What's weird is the father figure. Her

702
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 2: actual father is kind of a side note in this

703
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: book is not really there. Her parents are really Bella

704
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 2: and mart Yeah, well.

705
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 3: Because she gets very andre Agasy just sent to this

706
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 3: academy and that's where she spends most of her time.

707
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 3: And I think the parents are like okay, sure, yeah.

708
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 3: And Buddha her dad.

709
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 4: He is a mechanic, but he never owns a car

710
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 4: because why I own a car that always breaks down?

711
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 4: All he does is fix and so he.

712
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 2: Sees nothing but problems with cars.

713
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 4: And he can fix them.

714
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: But why but he can walk?

715
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 4: Why ever changed that?

716
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 2: It's like how fashion designers dress really simply.

717
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 3: Fashion designers are always in like a really expensive black

718
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 3: T shirt, blue jeans.

719
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 2: Converse, except for Carligrifold, who was always bringing the same thing.

720
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 4: Yes, the suits, a uniform, white suit.

721
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, the uniform every day. So they have this incredible

722
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 2: orthodox two day wedding in Romania after they fall in love,

723
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: and they go back and she has this very amazing

724
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 2: homecoming because she's defected and she kind of has this

725
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 2: like weird public file in America and she's just like, wait,

726
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 2: do people think I'm this homewrecker and I'm so random?

727
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 2: And then she goes home and everyone still loves her

728
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 2: because she is to like the biggest liberty remaining She's like.

729
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 3: And then she's finally getting and they drive to see

730
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 3: the dad and it takes some nine hours because she

731
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 3: has to stop in each town and have champagne.

732
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 4: With a mayor and I was like obsessed.

733
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 3: And also he proposes to her, like at this hotel

734
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 3: and she's like, Romanians don't propose.

735
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 4: We get married. We don't get engaged.

736
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 2: All right, And then like the bell hop brings champagne.

737
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 2: She's like why is that? See, yeah, we don't this,

738
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 2: we don't do this.

739
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 4: And I was like, okay, fabs. And then instead of

740
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 4: getting a maid of honor.

741
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 3: Which I also liked Weddy plenty vibes, you get wedding godparents.

742
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: Who are just your godparents for the wedding. I think

743
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 2: so or like they're your new godparents.

744
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 3: Maybe I think they're probably they're supposed to plan the

745
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 3: wedding and give you more like marriage advice.

746
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: Okay, that's like they're kind of like your marriage doula.

747
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 4: Yes, marriage dulas.

748
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 3: But I want to read a passage about the craziest

749
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 3: tradition in Romanian weddings that I really want to do.

750
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 3: In the middle of the night, while everyone was drinking,

751
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 3: dancing and laughing, something wonderful and strange and unexpected happened.

752
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 3: I was stolen away from my groom by a group

753
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:09,919
Speaker 3: of men.

754
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 4: I'm not pulling your leg.

755
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 3: It is Romanian tradition that if the groom loses sight

756
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 3: of his bride on the night of their wedding reception,

757
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 3: she may be stolen.

758
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 4: The men, old and.

759
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 3: Dear friends of mine, of course, put me in a

760
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 3: boat and be motored out into the middle of a

761
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 3: lake where a yacht was waiting. Meanwhile, Bart was dancing

762
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 3: with his mother when a security guard tapped him on

763
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 3: the shoulder and asked, do you know what your wife is?

764
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 3: Bart looked around. She couldn't see me. I don't know,

765
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 3: he replied, when is she? She's been stolen? The guard

766
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 3: told him you should pay more attention to your bride.

767
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 3: Otherwise she'll disappear. The guard handed Bart's cell phone, and

768
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 3: the man on the line joked, if you want naughtya back,

769
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 3: you'll have to pay a ransom. Bart offered a thousand.

770
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 3: That's not enough. The men explained she's worth more than that.

771
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 3: How about ten thousand donated to the charity of your choice?

772
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 3: Bart asked, it's a deal. The men motored me back

773
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 3: to the doc where Bart stood waiting. He gathered me

774
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 3: in his arms and promised never to send me.

775
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: I love like charity.

776
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 4: Now that it's gotten so like telethon. Also because he's.

777
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 3: Always doing the like Jerry Lewis telethon, so it gets

778
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 3: so that was the.

779
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 2: Era of telethons. Well at the end when she was

780
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 2: just like, I'm not going to list all the causes

781
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: I support because I don't do it for the fame,

782
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: because I actually want this all of AIDS, Okay, So

783
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 2: I'm not going to sit there and list causes.

784
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm on the chairs of Special Olympics and AIDS.

785
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 4: So what.

786
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 3: Me and a group of old Romanian men are absolutely

787
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 3: kidnapping you. And it's also a boat to then a

788
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 3: yacht where she's probably like drinking with all these men

789
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 3: and carrying her in the.

790
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 4: Air sounds so fun like bart is like I was

791
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 4: dancing with my mom.

792
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 2: I do feel like maybe she lost her virginity to

793
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 2: Constantine in Montreal when she was twenty seven, or she

794
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: was like just fucking random boys and Bucharsko, the President's son.

795
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I can also see them making out and

796
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 3: it just being blowjob.

797
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and her just being like if I give blowjob,

798
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 2: like I will get shot or something.

799
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 3: The other just one crazy thing about her wedding. There's

800
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 3: so many traditions in a Roman Orthodox wedding that you're

801
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 3: supposed to remind the person who forgets the traditions to

802
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 3: step on their feet. So whoever steps on the other

803
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 3: person's foot the most controls the marriage.

804
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 2: Okay, so it's this crazy foot dance. Yeah, sound stressful.

805
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 4: It's stressful Orthodox wedding.

806
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 2: Like to speak briefly, if we could, about sports gymnastics,

807
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 2: American gymnastic ors Romanian and a sort of evolution of

808
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 2: the sport over the past several decades. I don't know

809
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 2: if you watched the twenty sixteen Olympics, the most recent summer,

810
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,280
Speaker 2: or any of the.

811
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 3: Familiar with Simone Bileses work and Tara Lipinski.

812
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 2: Who's famously a figure skater.

813
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 3: Figure skater, Yeah, not such an Olympics head, but yeah,

814
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 3: let's go.

815
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 2: I was watching a video Comparis Mobile, so Nadia and

816
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 2: you can really see the evolution of the sport. Nadia

817
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 2: is this very like Ice. She's like taller and thinner

818
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 2: and less muscular, but her movements are very like elegant,

819
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 2: the very soft. She looks very like effortless and floaty,

820
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 2: and like that's where they're like, oh, it's a beautiful sartistic.

821
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 2: It was also like very difficult, and she famously kind

822
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 2: of like by getting attend she kind of started the

823
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 2: culture of everyone needing to be like I have to

824
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 2: do the most difficult thing possible. But then you look

825
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 2: at Simon and it's like so powerful, Like it's like

826
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 2: as many turns as you can do, as many flips

827
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 2: as you can do as many like and it's so

828
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 2: much more about like the individual moves being insanely powerful

829
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 2: and fast versus the kind of arc of the whole

830
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 2: performance being more.

831
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 3: Which kind of makes sense in our like seventies eighties

832
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 3: to now thing of metic Yeah, yeah, everything is a

833
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 3: little more like hard Nike, you can do it like,

834
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 3: and it's also lift culture is much more like absolutely strong,

835
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 3: especially with women's sports, and I think like in the seventies,

836
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:06,919
Speaker 3: I'm sure they were.

837
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm thinking in.

838
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 3: Disorders are absolutely definitely prevalent still in gymnastic, yes, but

839
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 3: probably less. I think it's like more protein shake and

840
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 3: practice and like getting your sleep.

841
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 2: And it dovetails with I think a similar shift in

842
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 2: like beauty standards and athleticism. And then there's the cultural aspects.

843
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 2: There's the racial aspects, right.

844
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 3: It used to be just kind of only white and

845
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 3: Eastern European.

846
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,720
Speaker 2: But you know, at the same time, I do feel

847
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 2: like the kind of things that are now celebrated gymnastics,

848
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 2: the raw power, the strength, you know, I think you

849
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 2: could say that those are very traditionally masculine things, and

850
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 2: there's kind of a fascism to that as well, right

851
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 2: about raw power being more important. We've seen the same

852
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 2: thing in figure skating as well, where.

853
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 4: It's yes now figure skating.

854
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 2: Because remember that girl in the last Winter Olympics who

855
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,720
Speaker 2: was like she always does the like anime routine, yeah,

856
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 2: and like she got second to her teammate who was

857
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 2: doing just like more triple axles and was more like,

858
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 2: I'm mispower.

859
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 3: Next time you're watching a sports game, right question assumption? Yes, okay,

860
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 3: thank you, just do it or just don't do it.

861
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 2: Thank you, Because I think there is something quite progressive

862
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 2: about highlighting these more subjective arts of artistry and elegance

863
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: and fluidity of movement that are not surprised anymore in

864
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 2: the ratings.

865
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 3: Yes, but the prize. It sounds like you want to

866
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 3: go see a ballet performance.

867
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I will say this ballet is boring.

868
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 3: That's like someone literally suggested to be today, let's go

869
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 3: see ballet. And I was like, I would do anything.

870
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 3: I would train for gymnastics over going to a ballet performance.

871
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 4: But made a sleep.

872
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: And what's interesting about this aesthetic evolution is I think

873
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: you see it in other realms as well. You know,

874
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 2: look at vehicular design, lily, Okay, cars in the seventies,

875
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 2: very thin skeletons, right, and then you look at the

876
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 2: cars today. I mean, these bulbous monstrosities. You can barely

877
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 2: park them. They're barely narrow enough to get down the

878
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 2: goddamn road.

879
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 3: Well, and I'll say this, I think also with the

880
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 3: strength addiction we have now it's also related to our

881
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:23,280
Speaker 3: addiction to Apple watches, yes, and fitbits. Yet the moms,

882
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 3: you know, the conservative moms, are still terrified of like

883
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 3: a trans eight year old boys swimming, yet they're driving

884
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,240
Speaker 3: around in their big suv.

885
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 2: Well, because it's about the excessive optimization, right, how fast

886
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 2: you know? How many horses? How much gas can you guzzle?

887
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 3: Like?

888
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 2: How many feet off the ground?

889
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 4: How can I do?

890
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 2: Right?

891
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 4: How many laps can I run?

892
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 2: And there's something to be said, I think on so

893
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 2: many levels for a softer, just you know, less data driven, appreciatory.

894
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 4: We go back? How do we go back?

895
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 2: We're too I think we I think we are through

896
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 2: the looking glass.

897
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 3: I wonder about the tens in the seventies, though, like

898
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 3: would it be different than the tens?

899
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I do think that she kind of emits

900
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 2: this in the book that the tens in this ephanies

901
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 2: were a little bit because Bayla did like such good

902
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 2: pr about making everyone excited about these like little Romanian girls, right,

903
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 2: and like no one had heard of them, and then

904
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 2: they like all came out in their little white leotards

905
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:25,240
Speaker 2: and they were.

906
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 4: Like so bounced color television.

907
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was very like the first ever televised

908
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 2: debate or whatever, and so everyone was like, way, we're

909
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 2: so excited about this new hot young star, we're going

910
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 2: to give her tens because like she's taking her breath

911
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 2: away and she's captivated in.

912
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,720
Speaker 4: A nation, and would that get a tend Now She's also.

913
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 2: Right, is you do have to be like famous day

914
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 2: a good scores because like they're rooting for you if

915
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 2: they know.

916
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 4: You, and now a'll TikTok this.

917
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 3: I feel like nineties are growing up was like such

918
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 3: a gymnastics heavy time. Yeah, it was like the epinionme,

919
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 3: if you bring your kid to youth sports.

920
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, everyone's in a class.

921
00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 2: Yeah.

922
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 3: And like gymnastics girls, there's something about them.

923
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 2: Oh for sure. Yeah, a little weird.

924
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,240
Speaker 4: Little weird. And it did feel like the gymnastic girls

925
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 4: were less developed.

926
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean again it's not I said, Huberty

927
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 2: is like bad, Like you don't want tits and hips

928
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 2: if you're gonna be flying through the air.

929
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 3: And I feel like the girls I knew who were

930
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 3: doing gymnastics like still were a little more like baby

931
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 3: talk than like people who are.

932
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 2: Not most of those girls. Things was just like gymnastics girls,

933
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 2: but they're not necessarily like having such crazy tiger moms

934
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 2: that are on track to be like Olympians, and they're not, Like,

935
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 2: so my parents drove me to the gym at two

936
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 2: am every day and like having such a bella, like

937
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 2: you know, beating them. They were just kind of like,

938
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 2: I'm a weird girl, and I'm like, and.

939
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 4: We knew someone on the Olympic track in high school. Oh,

940
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 4: your dear friend.

941
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 2: Oh was that a swimmer? Yeah? Well, okay, this gets

942
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 2: into a saying which I think gymnastics is weirdly like

943
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 2: first straight girls and even men's gymnastics as for straight guys,

944
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 2: where he's like, swimming is for gay.

945
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 4: Guys, yes, and shoulders lesbians.

946
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 2: Yes, it's for lesbians, but likes don't do gymnastics. No,

947
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 2: it's never heard of a LESBIANI gymnastics.

948
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 4: Can you imagine?

949
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 2: I literally I can't.

950
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 3: I cannot imagine, not to be so femine visibility, but

951
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 3: like I would be shocked about a lesbian doing gymnastics.

952
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: Do you think we will see a trans girl gymnast

953
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 2: in the next ten years? Yes?

954
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 4: Absolutely?

955
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 2: Okay I kind of think no, because I mean an.

956
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 4: Olympian or just like kind of famous.

957
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: Somewhere between, like enough that it's like she's causing so

958
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 2: much controversy, you know what I mean. I feel like

959
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 2: the kind of stage moms who put girls into gymnastics

960
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 2: and are being so gym at two am are different

961
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: than the like stage moms who are being I love

962
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 2: my trans child bumper sticker taking them to the Dendrik clinic.

963
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:46,919
Speaker 4: That's true.

964
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, those moms are being so like if you don't

965
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 2: want to go, like you don't have well.

966
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 3: Or not, says like you need to realize, like thirty

967
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 3: thousand girls are going to go do gymnastics.

968
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 4: One is going to become successful.

969
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like and she's like I was that girl

970
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 2: because I was better.

971
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she's again, you need to practice for seven

972
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 3: hours a day. So I mean, sometimes I reflect back

973
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 3: on my youth jock experience.

974
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 4: Okay, before I knew about my karate teacher being.

975
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,240
Speaker 3: Currently in prison, I kind of do wish my parents

976
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 3: were like stick with it and I was a black

977
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 3: belt now.

978
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 2: Or had they put you into a more classic lessions

979
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 2: for like tennis than you could fly yourself.

980
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 3: Well, they put me in tennis and I was like

981
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 3: this is boring. But now they were like it's a

982
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 3: skill you'll have for life. And I do like the

983
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 3: fact that I have you know, can play ish now.

984
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

985
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 4: And I was the one pushing the baseball, so maybe

986
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 4: they were actually just like you're too gay already, like

987
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 4: we don't need to push you anymore. I was like,

988
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:44,720
Speaker 4: sign me up for hockey.

989
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 2: I remember when I did hockey, and I would just

990
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 2: hide in the locker room every crack t the segment

991
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: what does she eat?

992
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 4: How does she live? Does she train?

993
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 2: What does she train? What does she wear?

994
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 4: Okay, what does she wear?

995
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 2: Like still smoking hot?

996
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's still smoking a She's wearing like kind of

997
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 3: just like big silver, funky tops.

998
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 4: It was like wide leg pants. She's I'll say it,

999
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 4: she's nord Storms.

1000
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: She's nord Storm. But she's always gonna have this gymnast

1001
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 2: kind of figure skater idea where it's just like there

1002
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 2: has to be like silver, there has to be some

1003
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 2: sort of body suit element. It's always just like.

1004
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very Olympian. It's like why the silver strappy top.

1005
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 2: And I also think that their house is just this

1006
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 2: weird mix of like not to jump on how does

1007
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 2: she live? But it's like the Eastern European like glam

1008
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 2: So there might be some weird like white bake castle

1009
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 2: chandelier and white leather couches. But then it's also been

1010
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: so Oklahoma sparse, like huge subdivision house with just like

1011
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 2: a ninety five inch TV.

1012
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 3: And then I do think it's a very that show

1013
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 3: the re produced where the women just put your cereal

1014
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 3: in clear canisters.

1015
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 2: Oh, you think it's so the home at it? And

1016
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 2: she has to walk in pantry.

1017
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 4: I think it's walk in pantry.

1018
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 2: I don't like no, because she's still being a communist

1019
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 2: where she's just like that seems wasteful. I will just

1020
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 2: keep it in the box that it's game in.

1021
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 3: Okay, but don't you think she's still a little bit

1022
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 3: Costco big honey nut curios.

1023
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 2: I do think she's Costco big honeynuts.

1024
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 4: But it's not putting it into a plastic.

1025
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 2: No, she's not like wasting time putting it into another container.

1026
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 4: Okay, so what did she eat honey nut ceios?

1027
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 2: She's like special K.

1028
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's special K. Again, I do think it's Costco.

1029
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 3: Is she like, oh, this is so not Romanly of me.

1030
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 3: And then she buys like salmon and they each have

1031
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 3: six ounces and rice.

1032
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 2: And I think she's generally still keeping to like the

1033
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 2: healthy Mediterranean like Bellicola diet of fish and milk and fruit.

1034
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 3: And then there will be like a vanilla Eaties ice cream.

1035
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 2: You don't think she's more hot and scolate bar. Oh,

1036
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 2: like this is my woman's chocolate bar.

1037
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 3: She's getting into a bath and it's like bart, bring

1038
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:04,720
Speaker 3: me my dug.

1039
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 2: Bar, bart one dove.

1040
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 4: Her son was like hot, Yeah, I saw, and I

1041
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 4: bet she loves her son.

1042
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, she holds him close to her breast.

1043
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 4: Yes, and it's like tell me about your basket.

1044
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 2: But she's also weirdly defensive around him. And it's been

1045
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,439
Speaker 2: like I will tell you that story another time.

1046
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 4: He's like, Mom, dig me to the movies, and she's like.

1047
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 2: The movies are a private experience. Take yourself to the movies.

1048
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,760
Speaker 4: But I bet they watch American Idol as a family.

1049
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 2: Patriotic American now that I live here, and I think

1050
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 2: so in this country offered me asylum.

1051
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's on just like every night, and just

1052
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 3: like we get together, we talk at dinner table at

1053
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 3: seven pm.

1054
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 2: There's something kind of funny about defecting and then like

1055
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 2: a year later, like the Romanian like dictatorship falls.

1056
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,959
Speaker 4: Over and she's like, so no, I actually could go back.

1057
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 2: She was writing about like running away for like seven years.

1058
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, I'd be pissed if I was like

1059
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 3: running into the Austrian forest afraid of being shot.

1060
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 4: And then the next year was like.

1061
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 2: She feel like people don't actually really care about it

1062
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 2: because they're like, we care about your gymnast career. But

1063
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 2: I'm like, I feel like she probably does regret not

1064
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 2: leaving with Bella when she was at that Hilton.

1065
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet she does, but she also was so

1066
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 3: obsessed with her like brother and his wife and is

1067
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 3: like I would never have left my brother.

1068
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he probably also would have been fine.

1069
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 4: Maybe not.

1070
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 2: Maybe they would have killed her.

1071
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 4: They could have killed him.

1072
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 2: What does she wear? Yeah, we said, like okay, so like.

1073
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 3: Silver and then like maybe like my jeans like a

1074
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 3: big she's a white.

1075
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 2: Very white jeans, silver top. Yeah.

1076
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 4: How does she live? Yeah, white couch, high bed.

1077
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 2: She and Bart each have like matching accurate mdx's that

1078
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 2: they drive to the gym because she leaves like twenty

1079
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 2: minutes before him, and.

1080
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 4: She's like, yes, this is an expensive car, but like

1081
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 4: I did the mask.

1082
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 2: And she's listening to like Now thirty five on CD

1083
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 2: to understand American culture.

1084
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 4: That's what I mean. She's just like, I love Katy Perry.

1085
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 4: Who are you in the book?

1086
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 2: Why do you think I'm constantine? You think I'm so shady? No,

1087
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 2: I was just gonna.

1088
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 3: Say, like, we're the other girls like in the Olympic

1089
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 3: Village who were like at the buffet, because the whole

1090
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 3: thing in the Olympic Village, she's like every food like believe.

1091
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 2: Everything was free because she'd only ever had like one

1092
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 2: boiled egg.

1093
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 3: And we're like stalking up our plates on just like burgers.

1094
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so we're hovering over the buffet and the

1095
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 2: Olympic Village agreed. Yeah, I don't know. I give this

1096
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 2: book like three like fish bones out of five because

1097
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,240
Speaker 2: I'm just like, the writing is bad and like she's

1098
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 2: being so fiercely private and we're in defensive.

1099
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 3: But that's also kind of why I because I was like,

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Speaker 3: I'll say it, this book is one hundred and eighty pages,

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Speaker 3: which is one of the reasons we chosen. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: Saturday Sunday, I was trying and I would just find

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Speaker 3: myself on one page and then just being like I came.

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Speaker 2: Page forty, then I was like into it, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: it was a tough nut to.

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Speaker 4: Crack, and then I was finally in it.

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Speaker 3: And I expect it for its anger, its defensiveness, it's.

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Speaker 2: Random's randomness, it's fierce privacy that doesn't reveal that much, and.

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Speaker 3: That is why I will give it two point seven

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Speaker 3: Romanian yachts at a wedding out of.

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Speaker 2: And I will share one more thing that I am

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Speaker 2: going to take with me, which is something that she

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Speaker 2: didn't invent, but they make her eat a rock garlic

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Speaker 2: clove every day in the months leading up to the

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Speaker 2: Olympics so that they don't get sick. And no one

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Speaker 2: on the team got sick.

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Speaker 4: Which is what our friend Pubonco always tells us to do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I had my garlic cloth today and I

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Speaker 2: will continue every day until the Olympics.

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Speaker 4: Was this the first garlic cloth?

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Speaker 2: I've had garlic cloves in the past minute?

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Speaker 4: But I mean today the day of a new life.

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Speaker 2: Today was day one day one.

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Speaker 4: Roger like, let's streak out.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have one tonight, all right, check out with

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Speaker 2: me in a month.

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Speaker 3: Follow us and our progress. Yeah, best club Goods.

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Speaker 5: Miss Celebrity book Club and edited by the Supervising producer

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Speaker 5: executive producer is Christina Everett. Teddy Blank's did the graphic design.

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Speaker 2: The theme song was recorded.

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Speaker 5: In Bucharest by Stephen Phillips first. It was originally devised

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