Speaker 1: What's up everyone. I'm Devin Simone.
Speaker 2: And I'm Davon Rogers and this is MTV's official Challenge podcast.
Speaker 3: We back again, y'all.
Speaker 4: We are back again, and this is one heck of
Speaker 4: an episode. Let me tell you so excited about it? Girl,
Speaker 4: I know, I know all the feels and all the thoughts,
Speaker 4: a lot of fights.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of fight going on today.
Speaker 2: A lot of fights, a lot of emotions, a lot
Speaker 2: of all the things.
Speaker 3: I just look, I'm hyped.
Speaker 2: About this interview. Okay, So I don't even think, like I,
Speaker 2: where do you want to start it? Because I would
Speaker 2: like to just get into our rankings of the episode.
Speaker 3: How about that.
Speaker 4: I think we can do that because there's definitely a
Speaker 4: lot going on in this interview. So now let me
Speaker 4: hear your I feel like we're probably gonna have to
Speaker 4: space out the gold star because knowing how you are, So,
Speaker 4: why don't we start with who got your time out.
Speaker 5: For the week?
Speaker 2: Okay, so my time out for the week went to
Speaker 2: Avery and then it also went to Derek.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna start with Darrek because.
Speaker 2: Interesting why he didn't stand up and say, girl, you
Speaker 2: had my back. I'm gonna turn around to have yours,
Speaker 2: Like he didn't say nothing like crickets.
Speaker 3: Yeah, nothing happened.
Speaker 2: You know, So it just kind of showed, like, you know,
Speaker 2: a lot of people take things into consideration for future seasons,
Speaker 2: and so for the future, no one's gonna look at
Speaker 2: you and say, ooh, loyalty.
Speaker 3: They not gonna do it.
Speaker 2: And so you know, time out for you, Time out
Speaker 2: for Avery, because baby girl, you should have been bobbing
Speaker 2: and weaving and shind of that ring.
Speaker 3: How was you just standing there? I was just like,
Speaker 3: I'm screaming at the screen, Avery.
Speaker 4: Move girl.
Speaker 3: Well she had a little jingle jingle bell shoes on.
Speaker 3: She should have been jingling ling ling linging all around
Speaker 3: that ring.
Speaker 2: Why was you just standing there? I was so oh,
Speaker 2: I was so mad at.
Speaker 3: Her, so mad? How about you?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Who was? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I gotta admit that was my time out.
Speaker 4: So my nominees are actually Corey just because he came
Speaker 4: in with so much heat this episode, just like just
Speaker 4: so much heat, a lot of it at everyone. And
Speaker 4: then my other time out nomination is for the format
Speaker 4: of this one, because I didn't love the fact that
Speaker 4: really Era one was destined to fail, like there was
Speaker 4: not any way they could really win that and I
Speaker 4: just didn't love that. I thought we maybe would switch
Speaker 4: it up, but I just felt like that really sucked
Speaker 4: for Era one. Ultimately, I'm going to have to give
Speaker 4: the time out to the format.
Speaker 3: But is it fair if they switch it up though,
Speaker 3: because they've.
Speaker 4: Been losing, well, we lose, yeah, but they've been like
Speaker 4: targeting and like this is an example, and we had
Speaker 4: that example last week where yeah, they're losing, but is
Speaker 4: it partially because they're at such a significant disadvantage because
Speaker 4: of how many players they have And in previous seasons
Speaker 4: we've seen where once it gets down to this level,
Speaker 4: they typically will like mix things up a bit just
Speaker 4: to kind of even up the playing fields.
Speaker 1: And right now, honey, there is nothing you know, this is.
Speaker 2: I hope that's where we're headed, because Rachel is just
Speaker 2: out there like I know, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: I know, like a bad haircut.
Speaker 4: This is all uneven now to get to the gold Stars.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, okay, I'm gonna give you my nominees. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: so my gold Star nominees. One of them is also Correy, Yes,
Speaker 4: the same one who was a Time Out nominee.
Speaker 1: Because I love.
Speaker 4: To see a the fight in him, but b I
Speaker 4: love to see how he came together with Derek at
Speaker 4: the end, Like this is like the second time the season.
Speaker 1: I want to tear up at an elimination.
Speaker 4: I just thought so beautifully done and showed sportsmanship so
Speaker 4: incredibly well. So shout out to Corey for that. To Derek,
Speaker 4: Derek k because how you have one leg and you
Speaker 4: putting in all that fight, I mean and you tied,
Speaker 4: Like what that's like? I just that's super impressive. I
Speaker 4: can't to THEO for holding it down. This man was
Speaker 4: against all odds, okay, literally against all odds, and he
Speaker 4: still held down the you know, deal that he had made.
Speaker 4: And we've seen a lot of people turn for less right.
Speaker 4: They've been making deals left and right, Josh cough cough.
Speaker 1: So shout out to THEO. He gonna be alone if
Speaker 1: he keep playing like this.
Speaker 4: To Rachel because.
Speaker 1: I mean, need be need to say anything good.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know, there's not even anything to say,
Speaker 4: but just her name, just Rachel, like I don't And
Speaker 4: then also to whomever came up with the idea of
Speaker 4: putting the rubber chickens on the shoes and just this
Speaker 4: elimination as a whole was not you hearing the squeak
Speaker 4: squeak as they brought across the sand. It was diabolical.
Speaker 1: It was brilliant.
Speaker 4: Give them an Emmy, give me forty of them. I
Speaker 4: love that. I'm gonna actually have to say, while they
Speaker 4: were all amazing nominees, I'm gonna actually give the gold
Speaker 4: star to whoever came up with this elimination. Shout out
Speaker 4: to Gladiator. It's so good. We saw a lot of
Speaker 4: just great competition. Also, shout out to TJ and his
Speaker 4: Gladiator references. I thought he did a decent job. Yeah day,
Speaker 4: who's your gold star?
Speaker 3: All right? This star is broken up in all types
Speaker 3: of ways.
Speaker 5: You understand me.
Speaker 3: It's going every which way everywhere.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm gonna give a star to Corey for
Speaker 2: the same reason you gave him a timeout. He came
Speaker 2: in hot, and he came in high because he's stick
Speaker 2: of these people lying to his face and playing to
Speaker 2: his face.
Speaker 3: Okay, and I appreciate that, Corey. You speak up and
Speaker 3: you speak your truth.
Speaker 2: And then he turned around after he said everything he
Speaker 2: had to say.
Speaker 3: And he showed them I can walk again. I can walk.
Speaker 3: It like I talk it and he.
Speaker 2: Got in that elimination and ate that thing up and said,
Speaker 2: stop playing with me, because I'm gonna keep coming back,
Speaker 2: and when I come back, you gonna have to see me,
Speaker 2: so I can appreciate that. I appreciate that, Corey. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna give another part of my star to Tory for
Speaker 2: the same reason you gave it to THEO. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: give it to her because my girl was standing up
Speaker 2: there against Kara, Laurel and Rachel and she was holding
Speaker 2: it down.
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, yes, do it girl.
Speaker 2: Like I was just I was so, so so proud
Speaker 2: of her in that moment. I'm gonna give a star
Speaker 2: to Avery. Yes, the same person who I put in
Speaker 2: time out, but I'm also gonna give it to her
Speaker 2: because when the rods were versed and my girl got
Speaker 2: the gloves on, she got to swing in. I said,
Speaker 2: come on, girl, you gotta fight for your life. She said,
Speaker 2: if I'm gonna go out, I'm not going out, like no, look,
Speaker 2: you we gonna get luck.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get some.
Speaker 2: Hens in, Okay. So I was really really proud of her.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give it to Derek also, not the other Derek.
Speaker 2: Derek K I'm gonna give it to him because my
Speaker 2: man was going, yeah, oh my gosh, like him in
Speaker 2: this one leg like and I know that he got
Speaker 2: putting time out before because I was like, you might
Speaker 2: be slowing up your team, you doing this for your ego.
Speaker 3: But when I saw his eyes and this elimination and his.
Speaker 2: You could see the love and the passion that he
Speaker 2: has for this game. And it's just like he was
Speaker 2: willing to die.
Speaker 3: If need be.
Speaker 2: He was gonna go out in that ring. And so
Speaker 2: I just I really wanna, you know, give him his
Speaker 2: flowers for that.
Speaker 3: And then.
Speaker 2: My girl, Rachel, my girl Rachel, let me tell you
Speaker 2: she I don't know what you're gonna do moving forward,
Speaker 2: but right now, the way you held that down in
Speaker 2: that elimination and the fight that you have, and I
Speaker 2: seed her, like, we don't get to see much of it,
Speaker 2: but there are certain pieces you we get to see
Speaker 2: an episode of her doing something strategizing because she's realizing,
Speaker 2: like I'm about to be the lone ranger in here.
Speaker 2: She saw it coming, She's seen it, and so she
Speaker 2: was in there doing the work and so I was, oh, Rachel,
Speaker 2: I'm rooting so hard for you. I always a hunderdog,
Speaker 2: and right now that's her. So I'm gonna ultimately give
Speaker 2: the star to Rachel. Across the board, I'm gonna give
Speaker 2: it to.
Speaker 1: Rachel, lazy and gentle on.
Speaker 3: It happened.
Speaker 4: It happened, It happened, so good, all right, and then
Speaker 4: let's see those But those are all ballid points, and
Speaker 4: I tell rooting for Rachel, but I just don't see
Speaker 4: a path of victory at this point, right, Like, I
Speaker 4: just I mean, I want to, but they're gonna have
Speaker 4: to switch up something because it doesn't the math ain't mathing.
Speaker 2: Do you think they would put her with a like
Speaker 2: could she choose to be a part of an era?
Speaker 4: Oh that's interesting. I didn't think about that, but that's interesting.
Speaker 5: That would be crazy.
Speaker 2: You know how many people are they would be fighting
Speaker 2: to get Oh that would be ooh.
Speaker 1: I like that, TJ. I hope you're listening.
Speaker 4: I like that. That's a good idea. Let's do our
Speaker 4: era rankings. So day, who gets your participation?
Speaker 3: Participation?
Speaker 2: I gave it to Era three. I feel like Ara
Speaker 2: three was all over the places episode.
Speaker 3: It was too much going on. I felt like they
Speaker 3: were all over the places episode.
Speaker 2: And then also I felt like the other eras outshine
Speaker 2: them in this episode. That's my personal opinion, So I
Speaker 2: gave them participation. For bronze, I gave it to ERA two.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: I gave it to ERA two because I felt like,
Speaker 2: yay for trying, and I really appreciated the unity between
Speaker 2: Kara and Laurel in that challenge, so I went ahead
Speaker 2: and gave them the bronze.
Speaker 5: Uh Silver, I.
Speaker 3: Gave it to Era Ford. Even though they won, I
Speaker 3: still feel like, get it.
Speaker 1: Together, get it together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's no there's like I'm literally watching them
Speaker 2: crumble from the inside, like get it together, y'all. You
Speaker 2: guys can stand so strong, just oh, pull it together, please.
Speaker 2: And then for gold, I'm giving it to ERA one
Speaker 2: just because the way Derek and Rachel held this episode
Speaker 2: down with just the two of bands, like, you cannot
Speaker 2: give them, you can't.
Speaker 3: You have to give them the gold trophy for sure.
Speaker 4: How about what she said, diddo, Literally we are aligned
Speaker 4: this week, and I know it don't happen all the time,
Speaker 4: but ditto on everything that you said.
Speaker 1: So good. It's it's just such a good season.
Speaker 4: It's like it's a gut riching season, but also good season.
Speaker 4: It's just so many feels, so many things, and this
Speaker 4: interview we have coming up you guys, is gonna give
Speaker 4: you so many feels and so many things. We've got
Speaker 4: the Gladiator. Some referred him as the goat, some refer
Speaker 4: to him as the dog because he's got that fight.
Speaker 4: Speaking of which, I'd like to dedicate this episode to
Speaker 4: my dog, Brooklyn, the original Real World dog. If you
Speaker 4: watch Real Real Brooklyn, you'll know that I got him
Speaker 4: on that season. So shout out to Brooklyn, Shout out to.
Speaker 1: The dog that we will be interviewing here. It's one
Speaker 1: heck of an interview.
Speaker 4: You guys don't want to miss it, So grab a snack,
Speaker 4: do some stretches, tell your leg that you love it,
Speaker 4: and don't go anywhere because we have Derek k coming
Speaker 4: up right after this. Excited on this week of the podcast,
Speaker 4: we have a fellow podcaster himself and someone with the
Speaker 4: true heart of a gladiator. It's been said there's a
Speaker 4: lot of dog in this fight or fight in this dog.
Speaker 4: Either way, I wouldn't want to go against some an elimination.
Speaker 4: Please give it up for Derek Kazanski.
Speaker 1: Whoo Devon. You can do more than.
Speaker 5: This is what I was waiting for.
Speaker 6: There we go, There we go, keep money. This is
Speaker 6: a long over due to have you here on the
Speaker 6: podcast with us, sir welcome.
Speaker 1: Wait what I cannot after puppy?
Speaker 5: Which one? Which dog? You want to talk to?
Speaker 3: The big dog? Maybe we should start with the soft dog?
Speaker 3: Because how the leg? Let's yea, how the leg?
Speaker 5: Is it time to reveal what the problem was? I
Speaker 5: have to reveal my act. We got the grand reveal
Speaker 5: on your podcast, not my Yes we're doing yes, Yes,
Speaker 5: that's fund up you guys. You guys are just as
Speaker 5: fucked up as TJ was.
Speaker 7: And the challenge gods bringing bringing me, giving me this
Speaker 7: elimination on a torn a c L and a torn meniscus.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, wow, that's wild. How when did you find
Speaker 4: out that that was the case. It was after day Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean that makes it all the more impressive, though.
Speaker 4: Can I just real quick, We're gonna get it a
Speaker 4: clap there, because that makes it all the more impressive
Speaker 4: that you literally tied with Corey It was just a
Speaker 4: matter of time.
Speaker 3: That is crazy.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: What's even crazier is like I thought I won and
Speaker 7: like you can see the disappointment in my face afterwards,
Speaker 7: because I was just like, what the fuck? Yeah, but uh,
Speaker 7: you know, it's just you know, uh, you know, I
Speaker 7: just I just felt like I had you know, I
Speaker 7: had won.
Speaker 4: But did you know all the targets? Also, okay you
Speaker 4: knew you both got all the targets, Okay.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, but it's like, I don't know, man, in
Speaker 7: my head, I uh, you know, you think you fucking
Speaker 7: can just you know, get shipped done. You really don't know,
Speaker 7: you know, you know, obviously I don't see the times.
Speaker 7: It's just in the moment, it felt like, damn, I
Speaker 7: fucking got it done.
Speaker 4: Do you think Corey in that moment felt like he
Speaker 4: lost or do you think he too felt like he
Speaker 4: had won?
Speaker 7: It was just it was just such a crazy exchange
Speaker 7: just watching it right now. You know, on my on
Speaker 7: our podcast on Challenge Mania, it's it's it's usually takes
Speaker 7: you know, I take all these notes and I got
Speaker 7: to get ready to talk about, you know, everybody's gameplay
Speaker 7: and break it all down, and here I'm just kind
Speaker 7: of watching it in the moment, like we just watched this,
Speaker 7: and the the emotion that I felt watching you know,
Speaker 7: Corey say say thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that was a beautiful moment.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I.
Speaker 7: Want to say thank you back. And they didn't show me,
Speaker 7: you know, saying thank you back. But what what you
Speaker 7: guys didn't see was also a sign of appreciation for me.
Speaker 7: Uh and as to like why we come here, like
Speaker 7: these are the moments that these are like for someone
Speaker 7: like Corey who's an athlete and a competitor and has
Speaker 7: a competitive background, and for me as well, like these
Speaker 7: are the moments that like.
Speaker 5: We live for, you know, like after college, after high school.
Speaker 7: This is kind of the sport that we got into.
Speaker 7: And and you could just feel in that moment, you know,
Speaker 7: the the emotion pouring out of him and me kind
Speaker 7: of the intensity in my eye just listening to him.
Speaker 7: I got, I got, you know, I got teary eyed
Speaker 7: looking at that moment. And but in that moment, I
Speaker 7: couldn't tell. I thought that that when we looked at
Speaker 7: each other in the eye, I thought that maybe he
Speaker 7: felt like damn, he lost, And I thought, damn, I
Speaker 7: can't believe he lost. I can't believe I just pulled
Speaker 7: that off, you know what I mean. And I had
Speaker 7: so much respect for him in that moment, just just
Speaker 7: because I know what we went through. No one will
Speaker 7: ever know what we went through in that moment, just
Speaker 7: like any of these other hardcore battles that like I've
Speaker 7: been in in these eliminations, going back to like me
Speaker 7: and Cyrus back on the Gauntlet two, you know, going
Speaker 7: back to even me and Adam on the very first
Speaker 7: elimination I had, and and and so on and so forth,
Speaker 7: with with people like Wes and and Joss uh, you know,
Speaker 7: even Harassio with what just happened, even Mark this season,
Speaker 7: which which has happened between us, But what just happened
Speaker 7: between me and Corey is is from from all of
Speaker 7: the you know ship talking beforehand like it was a
Speaker 7: UFC fight per se, to the to the end game,
Speaker 7: you know, shots that we took, took at each other.
Speaker 5: Like that.
Speaker 7: In that moment when he's saying thank you, it is
Speaker 7: like it's it was very emotional for me to see.
Speaker 1: Was that battle personal for you?
Speaker 4: Because he we hear Corey say a couple of times
Speaker 4: that this is personal. I mean, it definitely seemed like
Speaker 4: this episode Corey kind of had a chip on his shoulder, right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: for sure, But was this personal for you not now,
Speaker 4: because we saw the beauty that came out of you know,
Speaker 4: sort of at the end, but like going into it,
Speaker 4: were you feeling, okay, this is personal now too well.
Speaker 7: So I think a lot of his personal talk was
Speaker 7: was uh projected at like uh Era four and and
Speaker 7: and and and THEO and and Josh and you know,
Speaker 7: more of like a personal relationships.
Speaker 5: But uh, we got into it there at the at the.
Speaker 3: Challenge, you know what happened, right.
Speaker 7: So what happened was I was cheering for THEO uh
Speaker 7: up there, you know, and he caught when that I
Speaker 7: was cheering for THEO and wanted him wait. So he
Speaker 7: had a few words towards me, saying like what the
Speaker 7: fuck is your problem? You know, why are you cheering
Speaker 7: for him? And I'm like, well, dude, I could cheer
Speaker 7: forever the fuck I want first of all, and second
Speaker 7: of all, we have this deal and THEO standing up
Speaker 7: there and holding his ground with the deal that we made.
Speaker 5: So yeah, that was some straight G.
Speaker 7: Ship right there, because I don't have much to offer,
Speaker 7: you know, like you see they see that like I
Speaker 7: am hurt. So for him to like hold his ground
Speaker 7: and say no, I have a deal with a one
Speaker 7: legged man and I'm holding it, you know, and I'm
Speaker 7: going to keep it up here while you know, five
Speaker 7: guys in gladiator shoulds are looking at me.
Speaker 1: That was mad.
Speaker 4: Respect mad respect to THEO for holding it down in
Speaker 4: that way. Now I do have a question. We got
Speaker 4: to take it back, okay. And Bananas Oh said that
Speaker 4: he has the best challenge podcast out there. Now we
Speaker 4: know that there are three main ones, and I would
Speaker 4: say that you that we're probably aligned on the fact
Speaker 4: that Bananas is not the best.
Speaker 5: But I just want to hear from you.
Speaker 4: What are your thoughts in hearing him say he has
Speaker 4: the best challenge podcast out there?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 7: Well, I just love that you're bringing this up right now.
Speaker 7: And yes, we have a challenge Mania everybody. If you
Speaker 7: ever heard of challenge Mania, it's been going on for
Speaker 7: almost eight years.
Speaker 5: We were the original, you know, and then along came.
Speaker 7: I don't know if it was you guys or Johnny's podcast,
Speaker 7: but I think it was. I think it may have
Speaker 7: been you guys, Like I can't remember, but look like
Speaker 7: this is this is how it's been working.
Speaker 5: I come on your podcast, you guys, come Devin. You've
Speaker 5: Bentar live shows.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, we've we've we've partied in New York
Speaker 7: with Challenge Mania event.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm a Derek fan, I'm a Scott of
Speaker 4: Jaeger fans. Shout out to Scott Yeager.
Speaker 7: You know, the last time we saw each other we
Speaker 7: were watching Blink one eight two, you know, before the
Speaker 7: Challenge Mania event, and then we did the event, and
Speaker 7: and the podcast has been going on for almost eight
Speaker 7: years now, thankfully. And in the end, the moral of
Speaker 7: the story is is like we kind of support each other,
Speaker 7: you know, like high tides raise all ships. And you know,
Speaker 7: I'd love to say, you know, yours is better, mine
Speaker 7: is better, his is better. But in reality, like we
Speaker 7: each have an audience that prefers to listen to us
Speaker 7: break down the challenge, the way we we the way
Speaker 7: we interview our guests, and the way we analyze the game,
Speaker 7: the game moves, the arguments, you know, the the strategizing.
Speaker 7: Like everyone has their own little home podcast home that
Speaker 7: they that they go to and like it's all love.
Speaker 5: There's where everybody.
Speaker 4: I agree, there really is room for all of them.
Speaker 4: I mean, definitely Bananas is at the bottom of the three.
Speaker 1: But I'm just kidding.
Speaker 4: Nance But but there really is room for all. I've
Speaker 4: been on Bananas podcast as well and it's wonderful. And yes,
Speaker 4: I've done Challenge Mania with you guys. Love you guys too,
Speaker 4: and you guys are very supportive. I appreciate on on
Speaker 4: the Twitter. Whenever I'm doing things, I know you guys
Speaker 4: retweet and support and I appreciate that and I try
Speaker 4: to do the same whenever I see you guys are
Speaker 4: doing things as well. And there's room for all of them.
Speaker 4: You can listen to all and like all of them.
Speaker 3: Derek basically said, they're all great.
Speaker 2: But we were here first we got.
Speaker 4: Is That is what Derek said.
Speaker 1: They're all there were.
Speaker 4: He reversed, and we are the female led Challenge podcasts.
Speaker 4: And if there's anything we're seeing in this season of
Speaker 4: the Challenge, you've seen it before. But I feel like
Speaker 4: a theme has been like put some respect on the
Speaker 4: lady's name, like girls around the world.
Speaker 1: And so the official.
Speaker 4: Challenge podcast, might I just say is is the one
Speaker 4: holding it down with the female point of view, which
Speaker 4: adds a little sprinkle to it. Okay, so now do
Speaker 4: you walk us through where Era one is in the
Speaker 4: point in this game? Because I was so convinced last
Speaker 4: week that they were gonna have to shift up the
Speaker 4: main challenge and and Day and I talked about this
Speaker 4: just because y'all only have two players, right, So what
Speaker 4: is your what are you and Rachel kind of thinking
Speaker 4: going into this game?
Speaker 1: And how do you feel when you find out what
Speaker 1: the game is?
Speaker 7: Uh So we're like, I mean, obviously survival mode. We
Speaker 7: we obviously reach out to Era four and go, hey,
Speaker 7: do you guys want to make a deal because the
Speaker 7: only information that we knew was that Derek and Avery
Speaker 7: were going to look out for each other, and and
Speaker 7: and and we've already seen this game move play out
Speaker 7: with Tony and Avery where they would just where they
Speaker 7: would literally sacrifice each other to save the other. So
Speaker 7: we just you know, without even you know, they may
Speaker 7: have not even had this conversation.
Speaker 5: As you can see, they're they're at odds.
Speaker 7: They're at odds in this chamber, you know, and you
Speaker 7: see Avery being like, hey, listen, Derek, I looked out
Speaker 7: for you, like it's your turn to say no, put
Speaker 7: me in save her.
Speaker 5: And he doesn't do it.
Speaker 7: So that's the only information that like we we assumed
Speaker 7: that they were, you know, locked up going into this together,
Speaker 7: and so we made that a thing.
Speaker 5: And and and.
Speaker 7: Late night before you know, the the challenge the next day,
Speaker 7: Literally we have nothing, We don't have people.
Speaker 5: Not forbid, it's a gladiator challenge.
Speaker 3: Not forbid.
Speaker 5: It's one of the fucking three other eras. This is
Speaker 5: the last thing I wanted to.
Speaker 3: See, you know.
Speaker 7: So it's like, so luckily we strike a deal at
Speaker 7: you know, midnight with Jenny and in THEO.
Speaker 5: And and we.
Speaker 7: Have a little bit of help up there, uh during
Speaker 7: the challenge. But uh, but it's it's really like, you know,
Speaker 7: when I'm in that chamber, I I know that it's
Speaker 7: it's it's I'm not gonna make it very long because
Speaker 7: my leg's just not gonna it's just physically unable to.
Speaker 5: And I, you know, and I have to like hide
Speaker 5: that from people.
Speaker 4: And you do a good job hiding it because there
Speaker 4: are plants of you where. And this goes back to
Speaker 4: like last episode as well, where I'm like, okay, wait
Speaker 4: he heard his like wait is his like better?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 3: He heard?
Speaker 1: Like like really because.
Speaker 5: That okay he's at the club now, okay.
Speaker 4: Not just you at the club, but even when we
Speaker 4: see you kind of like walking around or like walking
Speaker 4: up to the challenge day, you know, like walking up
Speaker 4: to the podium or whatever. I'm like, oh, wait, okay,
Speaker 4: I guess because we saw when you first heard it, right,
Speaker 4: and I was like, oh, he's not gonna be able
Speaker 4: to move at all. And so it's just wild and
Speaker 4: just the way you had such a fight in that
Speaker 4: is unbelievably impressive.
Speaker 5: You know, to be honest with you.
Speaker 7: At that point, I'm like, I'm like, fuck, you know
Speaker 7: what I mean, Like you see me walking around with
Speaker 7: a smile on my face, but in my head, I'm
Speaker 7: just like, uh, you know, day by day just trying
Speaker 7: to figure out like how long this is gonna you know,
Speaker 7: I can. I can make it, you know, mentally, and
Speaker 7: and at some point, you know, they come after me,
Speaker 7: you know, at some point they're like you're the wounded
Speaker 7: animal and we're gonna come after you. And I go, okay,
Speaker 7: do your fucking thing, but oh how long can I
Speaker 7: do this? Right?
Speaker 5: So the end the end goal, the end goal is
Speaker 5: to put Rachel.
Speaker 7: In the best position to continue because I knew that
Speaker 7: I wasn't going to be able to continue much longer,
Speaker 7: and had I beat Corey, I would have I would
Speaker 7: have felt like I won the challenge because that would
Speaker 7: have been the probably the end for me, because I
Speaker 7: don't I don't think I could have.
Speaker 1: I don't think that was much further.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think I was brave enough.
Speaker 7: I think that that would that was me almost tapping out,
Speaker 7: but being like, holy shit, I actually.
Speaker 5: Won that ship, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, yeah that where do you and Corey stand? Now?
Speaker 5: You know? I feel like, uh, you know, I don't really.
Speaker 7: Know interesting, well, yeah, I don't think I was as
Speaker 7: gracious uh in in defeat.
Speaker 5: There at the end.
Speaker 7: I mean, it's not like I I it's not like
Speaker 7: I said, you know.
Speaker 4: Oh, so when you found out that he won and
Speaker 4: that it was by time, you got a little not
Speaker 4: fun a little bit.
Speaker 3: No no, no, no.
Speaker 7: No, nowhere near as nasty as I got on that
Speaker 7: during the challenge because what happened. What happened during the
Speaker 7: challenge was is he was pacing back and forth, and
Speaker 7: he any any periodic.
Speaker 5: You know, he probably came back in.
Speaker 7: My face about three times, and that third time I said, okay,
Speaker 7: fuck you bro do something then, you know, because that's
Speaker 7: that's that was me just you know, reacting to someone,
Speaker 7: you know, getting in my face and saying you don't
Speaker 7: have to tell me you want to beat my ass
Speaker 7: without without you know, actually putting hands on me. So,
Speaker 7: you know, I think that that's what it felt like
Speaker 7: at the moment. And I said, if you're gonna basically
Speaker 7: do something, do something. And and then I guess I
Speaker 7: couldn't back down from there, and I guess I had
Speaker 7: to take it to you know, take it one hundred
Speaker 7: and say no, if you can't be a three legged dog,
Speaker 7: you don't belong here.
Speaker 5: So you know, I put my money where my mouth
Speaker 5: is in, you know.
Speaker 4: But you guys look like you made up at the end,
Speaker 4: and then after that, you know, you're now you're saying,
Speaker 4: you guys, maybe aren't.
Speaker 5: I just I just don't know. I just don't know.
Speaker 4: It's basically I need to tweet Corey and ask him,
Speaker 4: because you know, he's popping up on Twitter right now.
Speaker 1: He's going in on West. But yeah, Corey's you know, Yeah.
Speaker 7: I listen, I think this this this episode had enough
Speaker 7: smoke for uh, you know everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you don't.
Speaker 7: I don't think you need to make more smoke. I
Speaker 7: think that there needs to be a uh you know.
Speaker 5: It doesn't matter. You know, we'll see each other whenever
Speaker 5: we see each other.
Speaker 8: It's not like I respect what how this ended, you know,
Speaker 8: I respect that's beautiful.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I respect that.
Speaker 7: You know that he he appreciated the battle just as
Speaker 7: much as I've appreciated these battles over over and over again.
Speaker 7: And let me tell you, not that many people get
Speaker 7: a battle like that like that one was. I think
Speaker 7: you tell me, I think that that's that will be,
Speaker 7: you know, one of the most memorable ones for a
Speaker 7: long time.
Speaker 4: It was a beautifully done, amazing to watch. And I
Speaker 4: really did tear up when I think that the notes
Speaker 4: that I wrote was not y'all trying to make me
Speaker 4: cry when it ended before we knew who won, and
Speaker 4: also just kind of the shock when it was like, wait,
Speaker 4: you know we don't know who won?
Speaker 5: That?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was it was epic in a lot of ways.
Speaker 4: Speaking of smoke, and then we'll kind of move from it.
Speaker 2: Because we're not just gonna slide past me because we
Speaker 2: like smoke over here.
Speaker 1: We like a little smoke.
Speaker 4: Speaking of smoke or heat, what do you think of
Speaker 4: the whole Prey and Josh back and forth, because you
Speaker 4: mentioned you thought that was sort of more of the
Speaker 4: personal element and there, Yeah, there was just a lot
Speaker 4: of there was a lot of feelings, uh there being
Speaker 4: in the house.
Speaker 1: What was the vibe for you?
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm happy that I was able to get
Speaker 7: the inside look because you know, we just heard a
Speaker 7: lot of yelling between Josh and Corey and we didn't
Speaker 7: couldn't really figure out what it was. But since Era
Speaker 7: four had that team meeting, it made things a lot
Speaker 7: more complicated. Now it wasn't just now. It wasn't just
Speaker 7: like Derek being like give me Corey.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 7: It wasn't like that anymore. It wasn't like, you know,
Speaker 7: it was like there's like layers to it. It was like, okay, fine,
Speaker 7: Derek says he wants me that. You know that that's
Speaker 7: not the final say right now, it's like THEO and
Speaker 7: Jenny have to put me in.
Speaker 5: Now, it's not just THEO and Jenny putting me in. Now,
Speaker 5: it's like.
Speaker 7: I have more people that could possibly help me out
Speaker 7: and the people that I thought were gonna help me out,
Speaker 7: like I can't even get a vote, you know, from
Speaker 7: from these guys. And so you know, I understand Corey's frustration. Yeah,
Speaker 7: but it it comes down to, uh, you.
Speaker 5: Know, the relationships.
Speaker 7: And and I do think that the Rachel factor and
Speaker 7: the Jenny not having that many uh.
Speaker 5: Close people to her factor.
Speaker 7: Same thing with THEO, Like I think that matters. I
Speaker 7: think that that carries a lot of weight. And and
Speaker 7: kind of like THEO said, like he said that him
Speaker 7: and Jenny had already had their mind made up, but
Speaker 7: kind of wanted to, you know, make it kind of
Speaker 7: make it look like we all made.
Speaker 5: This decision, not just us, which was.
Speaker 8: A smart move, very smart, very and then and then
Speaker 8: come to find out, like you know, I think you know,
Speaker 8: Corey went in because was it Josh and Jenny that
Speaker 8: put Corey in a few a few weeks ago, I
Speaker 8: can't remember.
Speaker 5: I think it was.
Speaker 7: And so like you know where you know, Josh's got like,
Speaker 7: you know, making good with like Johnny Bananas over you know,
Speaker 7: you know, he doesn't do the same for for Corey.
Speaker 7: He's just you know, So it's is what it sounds like.
Speaker 7: And and it and it sounds like that vacation alliance
Speaker 7: is is fracturing as well. It doesn't sound like they're
Speaker 7: on the same page. It doesn't sound like Devin looking
Speaker 7: at you know, the next on episode doesn't look like
Speaker 7: Devin and Michelle are on the same page with Casey
Speaker 7: and Josh, which, oh and Tory. You know, so it
Speaker 7: seems like it seems like that vacation alliance right there
Speaker 7: is is not on the same page whatsoever. And you
Speaker 7: have kind of the Rachel factor of being like one
Speaker 7: of the best females that's ever played the game.
Speaker 4: I love that we call it the Rachel factor, Like,
Speaker 4: I love that that's the name for it. I think
Speaker 4: that's great and it's true Rachel. Of all the things,
Speaker 4: I would never want to be punched by Rachel in
Speaker 4: any capacity in any world. I would rather be run
Speaker 4: over by a truck. I would never want to be
Speaker 4: punched by Rachel. Rachel is one of the greats of
Speaker 4: all time. How did it feel for you to hear
Speaker 4: Rachel say that you're one of the greatest of all time?
Speaker 1: Does that?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 1: What does that mean coming from her?
Speaker 5: I love that.
Speaker 7: I really love that, And I really love the way
Speaker 7: Rachel backs me up. I mean, you know when she
Speaker 7: tells me I think she texted me and she's again
Speaker 7: and she said, Derek, I'm I mean, maybe it was
Speaker 7: a couple of episodes ago, She's like, I'll.
Speaker 5: Take you with with one leg over almost.
Speaker 7: A yeah, and you know, and I and I go,
Speaker 7: you know, you gotta really be like, are you fucking serious?
Speaker 7: You can't be serious she.
Speaker 5: Was, you know, but I think she is. I think
Speaker 5: she was. Yeah.
Speaker 7: So it's it's it's hard to believe, but it's like,
Speaker 7: you know, coming from somebody that I looked up to, uh,
Speaker 7: before I came into the game, before I started playing
Speaker 7: this sport whatever you guys want to call whatever people
Speaker 7: are calling it these days, I looked up to her
Speaker 7: as this trailblazer for all women, for the you know,
Speaker 7: for the LGBTQ community. I looked up to her as
Speaker 7: one of those people that started all this on MTV
Speaker 7: and and became you know, and to see her, you
Speaker 7: know now with three kids later and her wife, you know,
Speaker 7: you know, continuing to be the role model.
Speaker 5: You know, I at forty years old, I want nothing
Speaker 5: more than wanted nothing.
Speaker 7: More than to put her in the position to continue
Speaker 7: this game. And and I think that it didn't matter,
Speaker 7: it didn't matter who I was gonna fight that day,
Speaker 7: and and and it didn't matter whoever wasn't in Corey's spot.
Speaker 7: Whether it was Jordan or Devin, they were gonna get
Speaker 7: called out.
Speaker 5: It didn't happen. It didn't matter.
Speaker 7: Because of Avery, you know, because Avery was there and
Speaker 7: and Karl was on the other side, and and Derek
Speaker 7: Chavez and they don't talk about this. But like I told,
Speaker 7: I told Derek, don't I said, don't worry. I said,
Speaker 7: don't worry.
Speaker 5: Did I got you? I go?
Speaker 7: I put him in a compromising position on All Stars,
Speaker 7: uh he he. He had a very serious family situation
Speaker 7: with his sister that I didn't really know about. But
Speaker 7: I still kind of had this weight on my shoulder that,
Speaker 7: you know that I felt like I felt like I
Speaker 7: had at least I don't know. I felt like I
Speaker 7: was still somewhat of the problem by nominating him, and
Speaker 7: he ended up he ended up getting picked to go
Speaker 7: into elimination. Not by my hand, but I put him.
Speaker 7: I felt like I put him in a compromising position,
Speaker 7: in a compromising family family time. And I felt like
Speaker 7: I always owed him for that, and and this was
Speaker 7: my moment to owe him, to.
Speaker 5: To look out for Rachel, to help her try to
Speaker 5: continue this game.
Speaker 7: And it didn't matter who had the sword on the
Speaker 7: other which guy had the sword on the other side.
Speaker 7: I was willing to kind of, you know, leave that
Speaker 7: ring with that fucking sword going through my through my body.
Speaker 5: And in the end, it felt like TJ was.
Speaker 1: The one that that that put the there.
Speaker 7: Because he was the one that said, Derek, you did
Speaker 7: it fast. Yeah, well, Corey, you did it faster. And
Speaker 7: I was just like, oh, mother fuck her.
Speaker 5: Damn. The poker face.
Speaker 7: On that on that dude was just like I had
Speaker 7: never you know, I had never experienced anything that was like, oh,
Speaker 7: you're totally gonna win and just pull it right out,
Speaker 7: you know, from underneath your your feet and just like
Speaker 7: death the Gladiator too.
Speaker 5: I mean, it was it was cool. I hope that
Speaker 5: The Gladiator to.
Speaker 7: You know, promo gets gets the gets the respect that
Speaker 7: that movie gets from uh, you know, whatever we put on,
Speaker 7: whatever show we put on on this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, you put on one hell of a show.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. I have a question for you, though, Derek.
Speaker 2: Let's say hypothetically you did win, right, Let's say you
Speaker 2: did be Corey with the condition of your leg, how
Speaker 2: far do you believe you could have went during this,
Speaker 2: because I mean it seems like it would have just
Speaker 2: been this crazy uphill.
Speaker 3: Battle going forward.
Speaker 7: Well, uh, I don't think I was gonna be able
Speaker 7: to continue. But that looking at the preview for the
Speaker 7: next episode is some kind of like fucking hanging thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, your arms are fine.
Speaker 5: Have you seen the abs? Can we just get a
Speaker 5: life check this episode?
Speaker 3: Okay, because a.
Speaker 1: Check because Derek doesn't count.
Speaker 4: We can't see them right now because your camera's up,
Speaker 4: so it doesn't count.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm really there.
Speaker 7: The apps were gone now because since I've since had surgery.
Speaker 5: Okay, oh man.
Speaker 7: And and but but they were there, they were there, jeu.
Speaker 7: But it would have been funny to to have survived
Speaker 7: one more would It would have been funny if if
Speaker 7: I if I made it one more and we won
Speaker 7: that one, that would have been that would have been unbelievable.
Speaker 5: If if you know.
Speaker 7: You get like that was that was the challenge I
Speaker 7: was hoping for. Was like a swim uh or or
Speaker 7: a or a hanging you know.
Speaker 5: That happens like you like just happened, yeah you know,
Speaker 5: and it.
Speaker 4: Just didn't happen before you left, and you know you
Speaker 4: have a tape with break But we'll be right back
Speaker 4: after this.
Speaker 5: Come on, come on, come on.
Speaker 3: Let's get back to the show.
Speaker 4: You mentioned Derek C that hold Derek Cee in averything,
Speaker 4: and we watched it play out right a few episodes
Speaker 4: in a prior Do you think that Derek c should
Speaker 4: have tried to save Avery this go around?
Speaker 5: I mean, shit, that would have worked out in my favor.
Speaker 7: I thought that that would probably have been a more uh,
Speaker 7: you know, winnable, you know competition, you know, for me,
Speaker 7: But you know, Rachel would have had the going there
Speaker 7: against against Kara, and I would have still fought for
Speaker 7: I mean, it would have been easier for them to
Speaker 7: be like, let's nominate, but let's be honest, like Derek
Speaker 7: and Kara.
Speaker 5: There's two of them, right, you know, so it's like that.
Speaker 7: You know, you'd have Derek being like, well, put me in,
Speaker 7: put me in, put me in. I I owe her one,
Speaker 7: and Carl being like.
Speaker 4: Fuck that, yeah, that's.
Speaker 1: Car would not have done that.
Speaker 4: I don't know her shit, you know, yeah, literally.
Speaker 7: You know, so you would have had that back and forth,
Speaker 7: and luckily for him, you know, he kind of also
Speaker 7: had that like you know, get out of jail free
Speaker 7: card from me. And when TJ asked us, like what
Speaker 7: happened you know up there or what happened? Why are
Speaker 7: you guys down here? And like in the end, I
Speaker 7: looked at TJ. I goo, bro, I don't. I don't
Speaker 7: have much time left with this fucking leg man, it's
Speaker 7: not you know, like, yeah, I need to do what's
Speaker 7: best for Rachel to continue in this game.
Speaker 5: Like she's in the best shape of her life. She has.
Speaker 7: She works people out two to three times a day.
Speaker 7: She may be working out two to three times a day,
Speaker 7: like ridiculous.
Speaker 4: I get her emails basically two to three times a
Speaker 4: day talking about are you up Rachel fitness?
Speaker 5: Have you worked out?
Speaker 4: Get your resistance bands? Do seventy five sit ups in
Speaker 4: the next thirty seconds.
Speaker 5: I am not up. I am not up. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 7: It's like I would work out with her too, and
Speaker 7: I'd be like, all right, you know, I mean, like
Speaker 7: that was a great workout, but I'm going to take
Speaker 7: like two or three days off, you know what I
Speaker 7: mean doing it like two or three thousand a day
Speaker 7: with different people. So yeah, you know, I really, you know,
Speaker 7: I truly like you know, want to you know, give her,
Speaker 7: you know, like give her as much as I can could,
Speaker 7: you know. On the way out because I do think
Speaker 7: she's in a great position too, you know, to represent
Speaker 7: for Era one.
Speaker 1: You know, I mean she talk about a gladiator.
Speaker 4: She's holding it down somebody else that held it down.
Speaker 4: That was interesting. I'm curious for both of you all's
Speaker 4: thoughts on this. We see for the first time this season,
Speaker 4: maybe not the first time, but also maybe unity between
Speaker 4: Kara and Laurel. And Laurel they yes when they were
Speaker 4: fighting and basically they were ganging up on Tory, which
Speaker 4: you know, we see Cara going for Toy and then
Speaker 4: Laurel's like, look, if Cara's going for someone, Like, I
Speaker 4: know we don't always get along, but like, if Kara
Speaker 4: in this game right now is going for someone, Carra,
Speaker 4: I got your back, I'm.
Speaker 1: Gonna go for her too.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one thing.
Speaker 2: I will say about the both of them. They know
Speaker 2: when it's challenged time how to shut it down. They
Speaker 2: both know how to shut it down. Like whatever happens
Speaker 2: in the house happens in the house right here, right now.
Speaker 3: We are a team, we are a.
Speaker 2: Unit, one band, one sound, and they both know how
Speaker 2: to lock it in.
Speaker 3: So I thought that was pretty cool.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm gonna have to push back a little bit here,
Speaker 7: push yeah, because because it wasn't sound. It wasn't sound.
Speaker 7: It hasn't been sound from the beginning. It wasn't sound.
Speaker 7: A few episodes ago. It was it was, you know,
Speaker 7: a thrown challenge, a thrown challenge to.
Speaker 5: Get Emily out.
Speaker 7: You know, it was you know, you have some controversy
Speaker 7: there that happened on the trivia challenge between uh, you know,
Speaker 7: her and Jordan, and then you have the right off
Speaker 7: the bat, the vote off, you know, the throw car
Speaker 7: in there.
Speaker 5: So it's not it's not it's not solid.
Speaker 4: This is oh we did no, no, but don't mistake
Speaker 4: don't complate it. We didn't say they're friends, okay, well
Speaker 4: not say that their besties.
Speaker 1: We said in this moment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they had a unified target and instead of holding
Speaker 4: a good target, they locked in. And now the thrown challenge,
Speaker 4: whether people agree or not, was gameplay, like like, there's
Speaker 4: a difference between gameplay and Derek, you and I are
Speaker 4: on the same team, but I'm so mad at you.
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna like not do my part of the
Speaker 4: team versus Derek, you and I are on the same team.
Speaker 4: I'm so mad at you. But either we do this
Speaker 4: part together, or at least I'm making strategic moves for
Speaker 4: my own game, like they came together in this one moment.
Speaker 7: That's will I will say this throwing challenges is next
Speaker 7: level gameplay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've never done it, but yeah I have seemed.
Speaker 7: It's it is it takes another like you're like, you're like,
Speaker 7: it's like it's like playing like cards, you know, and
Speaker 7: you have like the thirteen cards and you have like
Speaker 7: the ace, and.
Speaker 5: Then you have the joker right right, and then now I've.
Speaker 1: Done that in some spades. Look, I've thrown come up. Yes,
Speaker 1: I've done it in some spades, but I've never done
Speaker 1: it on the challenge.
Speaker 7: No. But it's like it's like having a joker, right,
Speaker 7: It's like you like forget that it's there, or like
Speaker 7: you don't use it in some card games, or you
Speaker 7: don't even use it in spades, right, I don't even
Speaker 7: think you use the do you use this joker in space?
Speaker 5: Remember, you know what, I haven't been in college for
Speaker 5: twenty years, so it's.
Speaker 4: Not a college game.
Speaker 5: That was for me.
Speaker 7: Spade was played after college classes and before baseball or
Speaker 7: or basketball practice.
Speaker 5: That's when Spade was played that's fun.
Speaker 4: Fact we used to play spades in my I taught
Speaker 4: all of my real world cast lights to play spades.
Speaker 7: Next time, next time we're together, we got to get
Speaker 7: at least four and and and and bring a deck
Speaker 7: of cards for all time.
Speaker 6: Deal.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, even Adam knows how to play now. So yes,
Speaker 4: it was a pretty weequisit?
Speaker 1: To Mario and black Woman?
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 1: What have you and Rachel discussed? What's the possibility?
Speaker 4: Because I'm at a loss for how era one continue?
Speaker 4: Like you're gone, but like, have you talked about Okay,
Speaker 4: if Rachel is the solo person as the game currently stands,
Speaker 4: how on earth is she.
Speaker 1: Going to even be able to fairly compete?
Speaker 4: Have you guys talked about it at this point?
Speaker 7: So like we think that the game is going to change, right,
Speaker 7: like we we think at some point this game is
Speaker 7: not going to stay right in teams like this is
Speaker 7: this is what we're talking about, you know, like few
Speaker 7: you know before.
Speaker 5: You know, even even like when I'm trying.
Speaker 7: To like lobby for Laurel and Johnny Bananas to put
Speaker 7: in Jordan and Naya, like even when I do that
Speaker 7: whole like PowerPoint presentation, but not the actual power point
Speaker 7: to Laurel and Johnny to be like, yo, like this
Speaker 7: is the best move for you guys, like yause, if
Speaker 7: Jordan stays on this team, you guys are all we're
Speaker 7: all in trouble. All the errors are in trouble if
Speaker 7: Jordan stays playing the game, So you guys need to
Speaker 7: take a shot at him or else.
Speaker 5: He's going to be trouble for for sure, he's.
Speaker 7: Going to be trouble for you, Johnny, especially you Johnny,
Speaker 7: because it doesn't matter in the end, it's a male
Speaker 7: is going you know, So first and foremost, the team
Speaker 7: component of this is troublesome with Jordan around. Second of all,
Speaker 7: if this, you know, if if this turns into like doubles,
Speaker 7: like we it's usually at the end of the game,
Speaker 7: it's like two. So if like there's like you know,
Speaker 7: teams of two at the end of this, say, if
Speaker 7: it was like all right, well whatever happens, Derek and Rachel,
Speaker 7: congratulations you are going to be the representatives at at
Speaker 7: the final for Era one. You guys are still in
Speaker 7: the game, like no matter what, like you know, maybe
Speaker 7: that was coming even even if I sold something like that,
Speaker 7: which I was kind of trying to to be like,
Speaker 7: you know, look, at the end of this Laurel and Johnny,
Speaker 7: you two are going to be probably at the end
Speaker 7: of this thing one and up that mountain together, and
Speaker 7: it's probably gonna be against Jordan and Tory, you know, whoever, whoever,
Speaker 7: whoever this is you know, an Era four or Casey.
Speaker 1: It's yeah and Casey Casey in a final either.
Speaker 5: Yes, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: It's gonna be the top guy in top girl from
Speaker 7: each eras running against each other at that end this thing.
Speaker 7: Even though I try to sell it like that, you know,
Speaker 7: like they're still already you know, kind of feeling like man,
Speaker 7: you know, I don't know, They're still gonna come down
Speaker 7: to like an individual game at some point.
Speaker 5: You know. And I'm just like, well, it's not an
Speaker 5: individual game right now. It's eras.
Speaker 7: It's teams, and if this dude sticks around, he's gonna
Speaker 7: hurt you no matter.
Speaker 4: But do you think they were feeling sort of the
Speaker 4: power because it's interesting when we saw see Era two
Speaker 4: and three teaming up so strongly together, and like, do
Speaker 4: you feel like they've kind of lost the plot a
Speaker 4: little bit, or that they're feeling like I just I
Speaker 4: agree with it doesn't seem like it's a smart move.
Speaker 4: Like maybe it was smart in the beginning, but yeah,
Speaker 4: it doesn't seem like it's a smart move.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts at that?
Speaker 5: They're all playing their own game.
Speaker 7: They're all they all have many alliances where they're trying
Speaker 7: to help out each many alliance to move further. And
Speaker 7: like I said, with the Rachel factor and what caused
Speaker 7: this this huge explosion, it's they some of these people
Speaker 7: that were in power I believe, want her to continue
Speaker 7: on in the game and they want to use her
Speaker 7: as an ally despite being by herself pretty much interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can see that. That makes sense. That makes sense.
Speaker 7: And look if Derek makes it to the end of
Speaker 7: this thing with one leg, like you're your guys are
Speaker 7: all fine.
Speaker 5: He ain't getting up any mountains.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you've seen that dog and how
Speaker 4: much fight is in him.
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't talk like that.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't talk.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't put him out. I would not put him
Speaker 1: out at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Derek, you.
Speaker 2: Have given us some of the most iconic eliminations, like
Speaker 2: across the board in this episode was no different.
Speaker 3: When Rachel calls you literally one of the goats. I
Speaker 3: to to be be support that one hundred one. It
Speaker 3: was so good to watch.
Speaker 5: I appreciate that. I appreciate that she said the goat.
Speaker 1: Oh, I say, you know what?
Speaker 4: You know what?
Speaker 5: Again, I have to question her thinking as well. And
Speaker 5: when she said when she said I'm gonna.
Speaker 7: Take I'll take a one legged Derek over most two
Speaker 7: legged dudes or whatever she said, I saw I had
Speaker 7: to question her.
Speaker 5: I questioned her here too, but she did say she.
Speaker 1: Did the said yes the goat.
Speaker 4: Now I don't know said the but I agree with her,
Speaker 4: d I take I take a one leg Derek over
Speaker 4: most other people any day, because it's you have the
Speaker 4: lethal combination of the skill, the mind, and the heart.
Speaker 4: Like the heart is the thing. I think that sometimes
Speaker 4: it's underrated, and you have that. Now I have the
Speaker 4: heart too, but my ass hasn't been in a gym
Speaker 4: since nineteen twelve. So you have the actual physical prowess
Speaker 4: and the heart which is really a lethal combination. And
Speaker 4: so much respect for you. You are definitely one who
Speaker 4: is left and is still leaving a huge legacy and
Speaker 4: has been such a huge contributor to this show and
Speaker 4: I say that as a friend in podcasting, a challenge brethren,
Speaker 4: and just as someone who's also crazy as hell to
Speaker 4: watch because you're hilarious, Like the things you say are hilarious.
Speaker 5: Oh, thank you. You know what.
Speaker 7: I got to give myself a little pat on the
Speaker 7: back with the wordplay this season. I thought I had
Speaker 7: pretty good wordplay on the Confessionals, But I learned something
Speaker 7: from Jenny because she became my sistern as did uh
Speaker 7: theo became my brethren?
Speaker 5: I don't. I really don't know, Devin.
Speaker 7: If if sisterne is a word, but Jenny did tell
Speaker 7: me that she was my sister. And okay, okay, so
Speaker 7: I think sistern is fair to say.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you say my sistern?
Speaker 1: Okay, deal, I like it.
Speaker 7: And and this is the one thing that I will
Speaker 7: say is I think that it was just God's way
Speaker 7: of telling me, like, I have to go home because
Speaker 7: my wife was nine months pregnant, and and and we
Speaker 7: would have been walking into like he like our son,
Speaker 7: Maverick was born on Mother's Day, Oh wow, May twelfth,
Speaker 7: Mother's Day, believe it or not, Little Maverick and I
Speaker 7: would have and you and you know, Davon, you know,
Speaker 7: you know that Devin, you don't have any kids yet.
Speaker 1: No, no, you can take that yet away.
Speaker 7: Uh, Davon, if if you sorry, if you can recall
Speaker 7: your nine months uh time.
Speaker 3: Ten months, one week day, six hours of labor, twenty minutes,
Speaker 3: A pushing yes.
Speaker 5: And I I I you know and I I you know.
Speaker 7: I respect you and all all women who you know
Speaker 7: make that choice and the women that don't. Devin, But uh,
Speaker 7: I think that she needed me. I think that God
Speaker 7: said that he's your wife needs you, uh in this
Speaker 7: moment and uh that that last month I was there
Speaker 7: to help and uh and I think that, Uh, I
Speaker 7: think that's what happened.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 2: I love Yeah, yeah, because you needed to be there
Speaker 2: and listen, listen, at the end of the day, you
Speaker 2: can walk a right walk away with your head.
Speaker 3: He'll hi because you did that.
Speaker 1: Yeah you did.
Speaker 2: Okay, you lost, but you didn't lose, Okay, because you
Speaker 2: took all the targets.
Speaker 3: You understand, and in my mind is a win.
Speaker 2: Okay, is a wien agreed Okay, and agreed you took
Speaker 2: out all the targets.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 2: A couple of seconds and or whatever the time was,
Speaker 2: and you would have took out Corey. Bottom line, you
Speaker 2: was blindfolded, couldn't see, couldn't walk, limping and.
Speaker 3: Jumping, and yeah, you got all your targets. Okay, Dale got.
Speaker 1: All your targets.
Speaker 4: And shout out to your wife though, because that has
Speaker 4: to be strong as heck for her to say, yes,
Speaker 4: Derek could go for her to hold down the fort
Speaker 4: like that. Big props to your wife, that's huge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my birthday's May tent so I just want to
Speaker 2: say he's good people, I know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what is that? What kind of sign is that?
Speaker 3: A tarist?
Speaker 4: They are stubborn as heck is also May thirteen. Shout
Speaker 4: out to my mama. I love her, but uh, Davon
Speaker 4: and my mother have a lot incoming and uh so
Speaker 4: Maverick's gonna be in a good company.
Speaker 7: Yeah he's fun man, he's uh he laughs, he coos,
Speaker 7: he goos.
Speaker 5: He talked so much. I mean he's only four and
Speaker 5: a half months, almost five months.
Speaker 3: They grow fast.
Speaker 5: Man, he is so cute.
Speaker 7: I really am blessed with this, the cuteness of this
Speaker 7: little dude.
Speaker 4: Ye wait until he sees all that his dad has accomplished.
Speaker 4: And what a badass his dad is, Like Wow, so
Speaker 4: special it's going to be so incredibly special, just like you. Now,
Speaker 4: this is your time because we appreciate you well. Before
Speaker 4: we give you the thing that we're going to give you, first,
Speaker 4: we do a little game called superlatives. We've been doing
Speaker 4: that for this season since the era sort of feel
Speaker 4: like high school in a little way, a little bit freshman, senior, junior, sophomore.
Speaker 4: So we want to know your designated superlative for each era.
Speaker 4: So let's go ahead and start with ERA one, since
Speaker 4: you come from Era one, so we want to know
Speaker 4: Era one is most likely to what.
Speaker 5: Sorry, the first thing that came in my mind was
Speaker 5: hit the bed. No, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 7: I probably shouldn't say it like that, but like we
Speaker 7: kind of we kind of shipped the bed this season.
Speaker 7: We shipped the bed from the very beginning, you know.
Speaker 7: I I like, for me, the the whole journey of
Speaker 7: like having a go against Mark, you know two look
Speaker 7: out for Darrell.
Speaker 5: It's all.
Speaker 7: It was all fucked from the beginning, from fucking day one.
Speaker 7: It was like how this game, you know, lose like
Speaker 7: losing seats, like you know, not having sat, not having
Speaker 7: prime ct.
Speaker 5: You know, you know, losing him you know, to the nails.
Speaker 7: You know you're losing Jody early on uh you know,
Speaker 7: to to Avery in that stupid game. You know, like
Speaker 7: it was just all like we we just every challenge
Speaker 7: we did, we shipped the bed like that's that's.
Speaker 4: Honest we did and we like honest, you appreciate that
Speaker 4: for honest or you know, Era one got a lot
Speaker 4: of bed comments so far for their most likely choosing
Speaker 4: your incense it's most likely to ship the bed and
Speaker 4: other people it's most likely to go to bed early
Speaker 4: is what they've said about Era one. So but we
Speaker 4: still have Rachel, you do. You got the Rachel effect,
Speaker 4: You got the Rachel effect.
Speaker 7: We're not dead yet, You're not dead yet. Just thrown
Speaker 7: it out there. We're gonna fucking fight to the last leg,
Speaker 7: you know that. I mean, yes, take it, Rachel.
Speaker 1: What is Ara two most likely?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 7: I hate to put it this way, but Era two
Speaker 7: was bananas. Totally bananas, nothing but bananas, from Kara to
Speaker 7: the Laurel.
Speaker 5: Dynamic, to losing Emily.
Speaker 7: To uh, you know, Ryan and Derek, you know, adding
Speaker 7: to that in their own little ways. You know, it's
Speaker 7: been kind of it's been kind of crazy over there.
Speaker 7: You know, but obviously you know, Johnny is will be
Speaker 7: the leader of that era. You know, you know, he
Speaker 7: he was kind of like teetering with us, you know,
Speaker 7: as as I was kind of teetering. I'd started my
Speaker 7: first challenge on season nine, you know, so I was
Speaker 7: closer to you know, I've been I've had some Era
Speaker 7: to Shenanigans. Yeah, but like you know, he kind of
Speaker 7: you know, champions that that era because you know, you know,
Speaker 7: he is who he is. He like, like you said,
Speaker 7: he's done the seven He's has the seven championships. He Yeah,
Speaker 7: he's done been the most seasons, that had the most episode, has.
Speaker 1: The third best podcast.
Speaker 4: You're right, I mean he's done a lot for the
Speaker 4: show and the history of the show. What would you
Speaker 4: say about Era three? Era three is most likely to what.
Speaker 5: A uh be mad at Derek?
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, that's how I feel.
Speaker 5: I feel like they're they're they're not happy with Derek.
Speaker 1: Uh do you think it's fair? Are not fair?
Speaker 5: Mhm? No, No, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 7: And and in the end, it's like the competition just
Speaker 7: kind of went that way, you know, and you know,
Speaker 7: and it's just uh, you know, even with like Avery,
Speaker 7: you know, I don't think Jordan was happy.
Speaker 5: I don't think Corey was happy.
Speaker 7: I don't think Devin was happy with whatever I brought
Speaker 7: to the table. Whatever it is that they're not happy
Speaker 7: about with me. Uh you know, Uh, it's just what
Speaker 7: I brought to the table. And yeah, you know, and
Speaker 7: it's okay. That that's okay, makes it a great reunion,
Speaker 7: that's fair.
Speaker 1: Era four most likely to I.
Speaker 5: Mean most likely they should carry the show on. Yeah. No,
Speaker 5: most likely too, they should.
Speaker 7: You know, since you know Era one is it was
Speaker 7: the originals, But Era four most likely to. I don't know,
Speaker 7: turn this bitch in the Era of five, you know,
Speaker 7: like that at the end. That's what was happening at
Speaker 7: the end. We were going to turn it into Era five.
Speaker 7: If I had come back, Oh, that would.
Speaker 1: Have been funny.
Speaker 5: We were turning our room into Era five.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 1: That actually would have been good. That actually would have
Speaker 1: been That would have been yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And we had I had the most random of
Speaker 7: fucking people. It was THEO and Olivia and Michelle basically,
Speaker 7: and uh and when they said, you know, come back
Speaker 7: and we'll be Era.
Speaker 5: Five, I was like, I fucking like that. I like that. Ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Michelle's the next.
Speaker 5: Next level game player.
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, so I say, you know, I want to
Speaker 7: give her her her her props too for kind of
Speaker 7: like carrying the past few seasons when people are like boom.
Speaker 5: The new gen boom.
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, Davon, we is part of the next generation,
Speaker 1: but David.
Speaker 3: I'm at home. Michelle is a strategist, great strategy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Michelle is is very talented and is doing the
Speaker 4: dang thing in the challenge just like you're doing the
Speaker 4: dang thing in life. Let us know, d Money, where
Speaker 4: those who want to follow you can find you. Do
Speaker 4: you have any Challenge Mania shows coming out? We want
Speaker 4: to give you a moment to to let everybody know.
Speaker 5: Ah, thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 7: It's at Derek MTV on x and UH and Instagram.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 7: And it's a Challenge Mania podcast at Challenge Mania Podcast
Speaker 7: if you want to follow that stuff challenge Mania podcast
Speaker 7: dot com. Uh to listen to all our interviews. I
Speaker 7: think we just did episode four hundred and forty four.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's impressive with John A, who gave us a
Speaker 7: great inside scoop into that Era three drama.
Speaker 5: There's so much.
Speaker 7: More stuff that she saw and uh, and then we
Speaker 7: also have bonus content at Patreon dot com backslash Challenge Mania.
Speaker 7: That's where uh, you know we have our you know,
Speaker 7: Derek uncensored version will that's a challenge maniacs dot com
Speaker 7: to make it easier for people for the bonus content
Speaker 7: challengemniax dot com and uh and for our live shows.
Speaker 7: Tickets available at Challenge Mania that live and we're actually
Speaker 7: doing the seventy six Ers game. We have challenge Mania
Speaker 7: Night at the seventy six Ers game. Believe it or not,
Speaker 7: you know, like you ever go to like these like
Speaker 7: you know games where it's like, I don't know, fucking
Speaker 7: Polish heritage money yay or whatever. Well, we have a
Speaker 7: challenge Mania Night at the seventy six Ers game on
Speaker 7: January tenth. January, the Jenuar eleventh show at the Comedy
Speaker 7: Club is short sold out, but if you want to
Speaker 7: get on the floor and do like a mingle with
Speaker 7: us on the floor after the seventy six Ers game
Speaker 7: on January tenth, I think tickets for that are still available.
Speaker 4: Go to all the shows. They're a lot of fun,
Speaker 4: great opportunity to see some of your favorite challengers as
Speaker 4: well as the Challenge Mania hosts themselves.
Speaker 1: Derek, thank you so much.
Speaker 4: For coming on our pod, for being all that you
Speaker 4: are to the show, supporting us and to be this
Speaker 4: podcast just all the things you're You're a soliditude.
Speaker 7: Hey, way to carry the torch for the Female Challenge podcast.
Speaker 7: It was an honor to finally chat it up with
Speaker 7: with with both of you, and I appreciate the interview
Speaker 7: and I appreciate the time, and hopefully I'll see you
Speaker 7: guys at some point with the with a box of cards.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, thank you so much, Derek.
Speaker 1: And before you go, can you give us a barking.
Speaker 9: Outroy, Absolutely great episode.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad Derek came to hang out with us
Speaker 2: and just give us the tea about this episode in
Speaker 2: this season.
Speaker 4: So far, so good, so good, so incredibly good.
Speaker 2: Now we know that you are here with us on
Speaker 2: the podcast weekly, But where else can the people find you?
Speaker 3: On the socials of the Media's.
Speaker 1: Girl, you know, I be in them streets.
Speaker 4: Not really, No, I'm absolutely not, but you can and
Speaker 4: back to find me on Instagram at Devin Simone, devinth Weismoth,
Speaker 4: and I on Twitter, on Snapchat, on TikTok. You can
Speaker 4: also go to my website devinsimone dot com. I'll be
Speaker 4: doing a little traveling coming up, so I'll try and
Speaker 4: do some behind the scenes that could be interesting, going
Speaker 4: some fun places and what about you, Queen Day, Where
Speaker 4: can the people find you? They want to find you
Speaker 4: on a new season of the Challenge. We're going to
Speaker 4: keep working on that. But in the meantime, where can
Speaker 4: they find you?
Speaker 2: They need to go to church and pray. You can
Speaker 2: find me right here on the podcast. I also am
Speaker 2: not in them streets, but in the social media streets.
Speaker 2: You can find me on all social media platforms at
Speaker 2: Davion Diane Underscore. Thanks you guys so much for joining
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