Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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Speaker 2: It's one of our most favorite days of the year.
Speaker 2: This year, we've been lucky, haven't we.
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, a couple of days of the year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this year is really nice day. We have Kaitlyn
Speaker 2: Brisso on the show, as promised, the star one of
Speaker 2: the stars of the latest episode of The Golden Bachelorette.
Speaker 2: Hello Kaitlyn.
Speaker 4: Hi, guys. Oh my gosh, I love seeing your faces.
Speaker 3: We love having you here.
Speaker 2: Can we create a headline today?
Speaker 4: We probably will. I'm sure it'll happen. You guys are
Speaker 4: good at that. You guys are good at that.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Well, you might be the queen of it.
Speaker 3: I don't want to be the queen. Might be good.
Speaker 5: All right, Well, Caitlin, we first want to talk about
Speaker 5: you being part of this absolutely hilarious, so entertaining Chippendale's.
Speaker 3: Date that you're part of. Do you why do you
Speaker 3: think they call you for a date like this?
Speaker 4: Oh lord, we all know. I'm pigeonholed as the Big
Speaker 4: six ueal Bachelorette. It's so funny because I actually was
Speaker 4: asked to do the previous one, so they asked me
Speaker 4: to be the on the date before the one for
Speaker 4: the Talent Show because I was on Gary's Talent Show.
Speaker 4: So they're like, oh, do you want to come back
Speaker 4: for the Talent Show. It's like yeah, great, and then
Speaker 4: the dates didn't work out, and then they're like, wait
Speaker 4: a second, you have to be part of the Chippendales.
Speaker 4: And I was like, oh, here we go. And then
Speaker 4: but then they were like, we're actually doing it for
Speaker 4: a cause and raising money for cancer, and I was like,
Speaker 4: I'm in. I'm so in.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's it's nice that they did that, because if not,
Speaker 2: this date could have just been like a weird misplacement.
Speaker 2: I was thinking about this when I watched it. You
Speaker 2: were such a star as the Bachelorette. You've done so
Speaker 2: many things post show that have increased your stardom. But
Speaker 2: there is a period of time where like you and
Speaker 2: the show did not necessarily get along.
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2: When did that like heal up or has it ever
Speaker 2: healed up? Has it ever been confronted like is there
Speaker 2: a conversation that takes place what's happened?
Speaker 4: No? I think I think it's just one of those
Speaker 4: things where time like goes on and I think I
Speaker 4: mean if you this is this always ages us. But
Speaker 4: like if you think about how long ago it was
Speaker 4: that my season was on, I don't think they understood
Speaker 4: like the any press is good press kind of mentality,
Speaker 4: and I think they like wanted me to be roped
Speaker 4: in into this box of trying to make me somebody
Speaker 4: I wasn't, and I think they're just like, you know what,
Speaker 4: let her go and like bring her back. People are
Speaker 4: clearly still talking about her, so like, let's bring her back.
Speaker 4: And I think it just was kind of one of
Speaker 4: those things where everyone just moved on from shit weird
Speaker 4: shit coming out of my mouth. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, let's talk about these guys striping.
Speaker 4: Honestly, it was incredible.
Speaker 2: Let's do it.
Speaker 3: Jonathan was absolutely ridiculous. Jonathan has on this before. I
Speaker 3: don't care what he says.
Speaker 4: He has done this before, whether it be in another
Speaker 4: lifetime or in.
Speaker 3: The privacy of his bedroom.
Speaker 4: But it was bedroom and this is like I know
Speaker 4: Keith's long dream to be a Chippendale, but like that
Speaker 4: he knew what he was doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was wild.
Speaker 4: It was wild.
Speaker 2: It is I need a little bit before we dive
Speaker 2: into these guys, because I do think it's fun to
Speaker 2: talk about I'm dancing, Like, what's this set up here?
Speaker 2: It just felt like they kind of all like leaned
Speaker 2: into it right away and said, all right, let's get
Speaker 2: a costume on, let's dance.
Speaker 4: Honestly, I think it was the shift in the room
Speaker 4: was when we said that it was going to be
Speaker 4: for a bigger cause. Because you see so many episodes
Speaker 4: of Bachelor and Bachelorette making, you know, guys strip or girls,
Speaker 4: you know, like the fighting dates and like certain things
Speaker 4: that it's just like, there, oh, why are we still
Speaker 4: doing this? Were this one? It was kind of like
Speaker 4: everybody surrendered to it when they realized that it was
Speaker 4: for a cause that is near and dear to Jones heart,
Speaker 4: and how she'd just opened up, you know, to them
Speaker 4: and really showed emotions, and I think they were like,
Speaker 4: let's have fun with this.
Speaker 5: Did you talk to any of the guys off of
Speaker 5: the stage, Yeah, oh, all of them.
Speaker 4: I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed with Gary. Gary is like the nicest,
Speaker 4: full of life, funny like Gary as.
Speaker 2: You like to call God him as Goldie.
Speaker 4: He's I love him, I love him. But yeah, they
Speaker 4: I talked to a few of them off off camera
Speaker 4: and they're just I mean, every single one of them.
Speaker 4: I'm like the fine news man, like, yeah, they're great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how is Charles?
Speaker 4: Charles was everything that you would ever expect him to
Speaker 4: be and more I am. I just did a podcast
Speaker 4: and we went through like, piece by piece of this episode.
Speaker 4: I cried five times in the podcast, mostly talking about Charles,
Speaker 4: just because I'm with him.
Speaker 2: I want to hear your guys thought there, because I
Speaker 2: was thinking about this last night, and my wife loves Charles, yeah,
Speaker 2: and makes she like she just like feels something different
Speaker 2: for him than she has, like for any other guy
Speaker 2: on the season, Like she just like has a place
Speaker 2: in her heart for him. I can tell. So what
Speaker 2: do we do with the Charles of the world on
Speaker 2: this show? Now? I mean, and I don't want the
Speaker 2: easy answer to be, Oh, Paradise, it's gonna be great.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that works for him.
Speaker 4: So no, no, no, I need, like.
Speaker 2: Your guys expertise and creativeness. What do we do with
Speaker 2: the Charles of the world. There are gyms for the
Speaker 2: show that are good for the show, that are real
Speaker 2: humans who most people can relate with, but don't fit
Speaker 2: the mold of reality television.
Speaker 4: We protect him and we put him in I don't
Speaker 4: know in all of our interviews, like I just I
Speaker 4: want good things for him. Well, I want good things
Speaker 4: for all of them. To be honest with you, there's
Speaker 4: not one of them that I don't like. But Charles
Speaker 4: just is one of those guys you know, you know
Speaker 4: the saying of like protect that at all costs, that's
Speaker 4: literally Charles. I don't want to do much with him.
Speaker 4: I want to punt.
Speaker 3: I think there's many people who deserve him.
Speaker 4: No, no, oh, that's a good. Wait, maybe we find
Speaker 4: somebody who we think Maybe we do like.
Speaker 5: A matchmaking show, so it's not like he has a
Speaker 5: big group, but like everybody has, like find somebody that
Speaker 5: is just so amazing, like go on dates and it's
Speaker 5: less of like.
Speaker 3: A selection process. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think that's what we do. We just we find him,
Speaker 4: put him on TV the love that he deserves. Charles
Speaker 4: for Bachelor, I just want to watch him. I know,
Speaker 4: I know, I was very blessed to be in his
Speaker 4: presence for that for that date. I was I looked.
Speaker 4: I remember looking at Joan and being like, I'm I
Speaker 4: love Charles. She goes the world's gonna love Charles.
Speaker 3: Okay, what about Mark?
Speaker 5: Must talk about Mark, who talked about Bachelor contenders called
Speaker 5: a dilf.
Speaker 4: I can't believe. I can't, Yes, I can, I can.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean, I mean, that's that's a hard like,
Speaker 5: you know, because when you really break down the words
Speaker 5: of what a dilf means, you're like, oh, wow, that's
Speaker 5: that's that's a statement.
Speaker 2: No, Caitlin just said you want to mess around. It's
Speaker 2: not like she shouldn't go all the way. She said,
Speaker 2: you like around.
Speaker 4: School around him, and I meant like on a golf course,
Speaker 4: like maybe on the pickleball court, like just fool around
Speaker 4: like a dad I'd like to pool around with.
Speaker 5: Like a fifty nine year old that, like you don't
Speaker 5: feel weird about imagining well romantic.
Speaker 4: Here's the thing I was saying it for Joan. I
Speaker 4: wasn't saying he's a dad I'd like to fool around with.
Speaker 4: I was saying he's a dilf in the sense of
Speaker 4: like that sometimes I do forget what that what that means.
Speaker 4: But I was like for Joan, and then I was
Speaker 4: so glad that they showed me to be like, don't
Speaker 4: air that like don't show me saying that.
Speaker 2: It was a good moment. Yeah, thanks for the clarity.
Speaker 2: So you're saying it for Joan, let's just be clear.
Speaker 2: You're speaking.
Speaker 4: My god, Yes, I see him as like a precious
Speaker 4: dad figure who like is so sweet and like obviously
Speaker 4: very handsome. But I was saying for Joan he is
Speaker 4: a dilf.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So do we think he could be the future Golden Bachelor?
Speaker 5: Do you think that's where they want him to be?
Speaker 4: Ooh, good question. I could see it. I feel like
Speaker 4: he's just like his demeanor and uh, just the way
Speaker 4: he carries himself is so. I feel like he's pure.
Speaker 4: I feel like he's a good dad. I feel like
Speaker 4: he's handsome. He's got all of the qualities to make
Speaker 4: a great Golden Bachelor.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Would I ask you the other day, Ashley that
Speaker 2: you got mad at me for asking you?
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: He asked if Mark made me tingly and exactly Caitlin
Speaker 5: and then are I was like, are you asking if
Speaker 5: he turns me on? And like he was like no,
Speaker 5: does he like give you warm and fuzzies? And we're like,
Speaker 5: ben tingly does not mean that I learned.
Speaker 2: Something that day?
Speaker 4: Tell me you don't have a vagina without tell me
Speaker 4: you don't have a vagina. The tingles are a real thing,
Speaker 4: and no, that is not happening in the heart. Those
Speaker 4: are called like Warman fuzzies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Warman fuzzies. Yeah, I've changed my.
Speaker 4: No. I wouldn't like that either. That's that's why I
Speaker 4: felt so uncomfortable that they aired me saying that he
Speaker 4: was a dilp, because I was like, obviously, I'm not
Speaker 4: talking about for me. I don't think he's a dilp.
Speaker 4: I think he's a delt for Joan, classic classic.
Speaker 2: Who else? Who else was on the State that stood
Speaker 2: out well? Scal Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Oh chalk, yes, chalk was so I was trying to
Speaker 4: think because I don't like spoilers ever, no matter what,
Speaker 4: I don't like spoilers. So I was trying to watch.
Speaker 4: I told Joan, don't tell me anything. Don't tell me
Speaker 4: who like your number one is or your like number
Speaker 4: top three. I don't want to know. I want to
Speaker 4: watch your interactions with them, and I want to see
Speaker 4: how they interact with you, and like, just watch them
Speaker 4: in general. And I pascal to me, they've definitely vibed.
Speaker 4: And I saw some major chemistry until the end of
Speaker 4: the episode. Watching it back, I was like, oh, but
Speaker 4: in that moment, I saw chemistry from them, and then
Speaker 4: Chalk was like the most undeniable chemistry, which clearly plays
Speaker 4: through on the show as well.
Speaker 5: The Pascal thing is interesting because at the Rose ceremony
Speaker 5: later in the episode Cocktail Party, Yeah, she seemed like
Speaker 5: annoyed that he wasn't giving her more attention or like
Speaker 5: wasn't being as a not you know, like a yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah. He called it aggressive. He said he didn't want
Speaker 4: to be aggressive.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and like you could tell that she wants his attention,
Speaker 5: and that's a sign for us ladies, you know that
Speaker 5: she might be there for a while.
Speaker 4: I but I didn't. I didn't like that moment from him.
Speaker 4: But I liked that moment from her because I felt
Speaker 4: like she wasn't being like oh my god, what she
Speaker 4: was like, well, this is how you know, she kind
Speaker 4: of stood up for herself in that moment, and he
Speaker 4: was kind of like hinting, give me more time, and
Speaker 4: she's like, you're on.
Speaker 3: You, Vachel to come and get me. Yeah, yeah, which
Speaker 3: I appreciate that as well.
Speaker 4: You're right, yeah, I get it. He's funny. He's a
Speaker 4: bougie guy. He's he's just a straight up bougie Frenchman.
Speaker 4: I love it, but I know it's tricky to work with.
Speaker 3: On the show Shock, we you know, always more ripped
Speaker 3: than I expected.
Speaker 2: Can I say that he took a shirt?
Speaker 4: I was like, all right, honestly, and can we like
Speaker 4: give it up for seeing different body types on the
Speaker 4: show for once?
Speaker 2: Yeah, all looking really good.
Speaker 4: They honestly all owned the the you know, ripping off
Speaker 4: the shirt and being who they were. I just I
Speaker 4: just loved watching all of it because you could just
Speaker 4: tell these men like benefited from vulnerability. Like they were like,
Speaker 4: we've all bonded, We've all like gone through some hard
Speaker 4: shit in life. We've all like talked about our feelings
Speaker 4: every day. Now we're gonna dance and we're gonna do
Speaker 4: some research and raise money for cancer. Like they were
Speaker 4: just it felt like they were revived and getting like
Speaker 4: I don't know, like past you know, midlife crisis. They're
Speaker 4: like on the other end of that where they're just
Speaker 4: like we still have time, like we're good. And I
Speaker 4: loved watching it. I just this whole show just makes
Speaker 4: me feel so much joy.
Speaker 3: How did they raise the money. Was it ticket sales?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Okay that's what I thought, because I was like
Speaker 5: I would pay good money to be at that date.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, it was so much fun. Ben It did not
Speaker 3: make me tingling.
Speaker 4: But I love like the guys being like, you know,
Speaker 4: just getting giving the crowd some butt things and they're
Speaker 4: like so innocent, but then they're like between her legs.
Speaker 3: I know, I know they can.
Speaker 5: We were saying in our other recap episode that like
Speaker 5: these guys can get away with so much more than
Speaker 5: the younger guys can.
Speaker 4: And it's just so sweet to watch so them, Like
Speaker 4: I just feel like I'm on such a journey watch
Speaker 4: them because the show, the show with the high highs
Speaker 4: and the low lows of what these people have gone
Speaker 4: through and what they are still going through and experiencing
Speaker 4: this like raw emotion without cheesy music in the background,
Speaker 4: and hearing Chalk just like cry and going through his
Speaker 4: loss in that moment with him, Like, the show just
Speaker 4: cracks me open, wide open, Yo.
Speaker 3: You're so right. They don't got the music behind them.
Speaker 5: We get as soon as we do something like Villainous
Speaker 5: and then they're just like we're just living life with
Speaker 5: how are you guys putting any sort of vibes in
Speaker 5: our head.
Speaker 4: It feels real.
Speaker 2: Now this is jumping ahead and not a really even
Speaker 2: a reasonable conversation to have. But we saw it with
Speaker 2: even Gary season, the women that came off that season,
Speaker 2: the joy that they have now, the friendships they built,
Speaker 2: the fun that they have. Caitlyn, you've been able to
Speaker 2: be around him, obviously, Ashley and myself have been able
Speaker 2: to be around them. They're just a ton of fun
Speaker 2: and they're still living a very exciting like life after show. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're seeing this with these men. I don't think it
Speaker 2: will change for them. I just hope the show at
Speaker 2: some point doesn't say, you know, would be really good?
Speaker 2: Is if we found a villain? I think it would
Speaker 2: ruin so much. I just want this to be the
Speaker 2: ethos of why we tune into the Golden Show every season.
Speaker 2: Is the joy, the story, the hope, the relatability, the
Speaker 2: love story. Like those things, and keep it consistent because
Speaker 2: I think it could have a twenty year run, just
Speaker 2: like the regular show. If it stays that.
Speaker 4: Way, I well, hopefully by that time I could be
Speaker 4: the Golden Bachelorette's.
Speaker 2: So much more for you. We want you to meet somebody.
Speaker 4: That guys a second.
Speaker 3: You know, that's what people want. People want, like the
Speaker 3: forty five year old Bachelorette.
Speaker 4: Now I'm close, But you know what, Like I agree,
Speaker 4: we got a little bit of a villain on The
Speaker 4: Golden Bachelor, like Kathy being you know, selling people to
Speaker 4: zip it or whatever that was. But I I don't
Speaker 4: know if they can make a villain out of any
Speaker 4: of these men, And if they do, I'm going to
Speaker 4: be highly disappointed because they would have had to really
Speaker 4: like craft that up, like it wouldn't be genuine, because,
Speaker 4: like you, the brotherhood going on in that mansion is
Speaker 4: so beautiful, and I just like the ending when they
Speaker 4: all came out and like hugged Charles and he was
Speaker 4: so happy, and I was like, oh my god, I
Speaker 4: cried so many times.
Speaker 3: I know, it was just the sweetest moment I've ever seen.
Speaker 4: The sweetest woman ever.
Speaker 5: Before we move on to more about you, Caitlin, I
Speaker 5: just need a group conversation right now about how much
Speaker 5: Chok sounds like Peyton Manning. Like we've brought it up before,
Speaker 5: you really need to like talk about this because I've
Speaker 5: never heard somebody's voice come out of somebody else like this.
Speaker 4: That's so I feel like, I is this a thing
Speaker 4: on the internet, Like do people notice?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Okay, because I don't know what Peyton Manning sounds like.
Speaker 4: But is a football player?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's like in every commercial there is a.
Speaker 2: Football player arguably the best quarterback of all time.
Speaker 5: Well, okay, that's that's very arguable, because that's definitely not
Speaker 5: true of it.
Speaker 4: I'm Canadian. I don't know football players like you, folks.
Speaker 3: It's been a while since you've been to a Buffalo game.
Speaker 4: Huh Yeah, Buffalo Bills are dead to me. And I'm
Speaker 4: just kidding.
Speaker 2: Boy.
Speaker 4: I went to a Phillies baseball game. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 4: it was so fun.
Speaker 3: Why were you in Philadelphia or that Southern Jersey area.
Speaker 4: I really was just craving a Philly cheese steak and
Speaker 4: I was in New York doing podcasts, and I said, hey,
Speaker 4: it's just an hour and a half drive to get
Speaker 4: a Philly cheese steak. So popped into a game while
Speaker 4: I was at it.
Speaker 3: Moved on from Buffalo and now into Philly jo Sticks. Hey.
Speaker 4: Don't get me wrong, I actually do still root for
Speaker 4: the Bills. I feel like they're a fun team to
Speaker 4: root for.
Speaker 5: They are, You're right, Jared, like, is rooting for the
Speaker 5: Bills over the Pageots these days because they're just more interesting. No,
Speaker 5: They're just a little bit more interesting. I'm just an
Speaker 5: NFL fan right now, not even like so much of it.
Speaker 4: I just stand back and say, go Oilers hockey every day,
Speaker 4: all day, Caitlin.
Speaker 2: We do this every week on our show, and you've
Speaker 2: been up close and personal, closer than Ashley or myself
Speaker 2: have been able to be. We give our top three
Speaker 2: each week, kind of going towards the rest of this season. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm very intrigued at what you're who your top three
Speaker 2: would be. We're not going to tell you ours, but
Speaker 2: your top three for the Golden Bachelorette. Moving on to
Speaker 2: the week before Hometowns, I guess whatever we call that.
Speaker 4: Okay, my top three is definitely Chalk Pascal and is.
Speaker 5: It Jordan Jonathan Yeah, Jordan, Yeah, Chicago Jordan.
Speaker 3: I told you I put him in my Yeah.
Speaker 4: But isn't Jordan such a millennial name for that?
Speaker 3: Like, I'm like, what about this man? Reeks youth to me?
Speaker 4: Yes, it throws me off.
Speaker 5: Yeah, his voice sounds so young. I would just never
Speaker 5: pin him as a sixty or something.
Speaker 4: No, me, either doesn't add up.
Speaker 2: She sounds young, he looks young. His name is young. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so you said Pascal, So you have Pascal in the
Speaker 2: in the top three for you well.
Speaker 4: Only, But now it kind of changed once I saw
Speaker 4: that the ending of this episode. But I'm gonna stick
Speaker 4: with it because I saw their chemistry in person.
Speaker 5: Okay, she's also not putting Mark in there anymore.
Speaker 3: And I told you I think he's like on the
Speaker 3: sliding slope.
Speaker 1: I just.
Speaker 4: Maybe we just haven't seen enough of their connection. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I would like to see more. To be honest with.
Speaker 3: You, He's definitely gonna get a one on one next week. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that would be insane if he if he leaves without
Speaker 3: getting one on one.
Speaker 4: No, he's I'm only going to get a one on one,
Speaker 4: and I hope he shines. I hope he shines.
Speaker 2: I could see the argument, and the two of you
Speaker 2: have been around a long time. I could see the
Speaker 2: argument being we're seeing more of Mark than most cast
Speaker 2: members because he is a star. He's very likable, he's
Speaker 2: great for commentary, he is very sweet. Uh, and he
Speaker 2: is being prepped to be the next lead and as
Speaker 2: a result, his connection with Joan might be kind of
Speaker 2: being overplayed to the audience and kind of picked up
Speaker 2: a bit because of them wanting to use him later on.
Speaker 3: Is that like you two right here?
Speaker 2: Well, Caitlin, I had a great thing.
Speaker 4: Oh, it had a great thing.
Speaker 3: They're prepping then to be the bachelor.
Speaker 4: I knew they wanted him to be the Bachelor. I
Speaker 4: didn't want him to be the bachelor.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Wait, why because I wanted to be a final two.
Speaker 4: I didn't want it to be this versus this. I
Speaker 4: wanted Ben in there.
Speaker 2: You had a terrible last couple of weeks. She had
Speaker 2: no fun, no fun to be had for Kaitlin. She
Speaker 2: had like a brawl to figure out. But yes, but yeah,
Speaker 2: as a result, they said, hey, Sin beIN home. Like
Speaker 2: that poor guy, he's just like hanging out drinking guinness
Speaker 2: and like he's so lonely. He's not talk anybody.
Speaker 3: So do you have soul clustody of the dogs?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 3: I do?
Speaker 4: I am so scared at the time I do anything. Now,
Speaker 4: I'm so scared because I'm like, I don't. I don't
Speaker 4: know what else to say. I'm like, but yes, I do, Yes, I.
Speaker 2: Do it's not public information yet.
Speaker 4: No, it is. I did a solo podcast talking about it,
Speaker 4: just because you know, that's people. This is why, this
Speaker 4: is why I want to keep certain relationships private, is
Speaker 4: because once you introduced people to certain things, they have
Speaker 4: reason to feel like they deserve information. And so I
Speaker 4: felt that it was you know, that was the number
Speaker 4: one question I was getting asked was about the dogs,
Speaker 4: and I think, yeah, it's it. I also saw that
Speaker 4: somebody thought I was lying through my teeth about this contract,
Speaker 4: that the dogs actually can't be bopping around because of stress.
Speaker 3: No, no, but it's so real.
Speaker 4: And Amanda actually from Bunny's Buddies had talked to me
Speaker 4: about this, like long before anyone knew anything about anything,
Speaker 4: and long before we had you know, moved forward and
Speaker 4: past all this that she was like, this can't happen
Speaker 4: like this. We don't adopt dogs out to people who
Speaker 4: you know, are going back and forth. These dogs need
Speaker 4: like a steady household. And so yeah, but I said
Speaker 4: on my podcasts, he's more than welcome to visit them anytime,
Speaker 4: more than welcome to I would never keep them from him.
Speaker 2: Is it going well now that you have sil custody
Speaker 2: and My second fall to that is has it made
Speaker 2: you check change your travel amounts?
Speaker 4: I definitely have changed my travel amounts, And I also
Speaker 4: just have the best house slash dog sitter who honestly
Speaker 4: loves them. No, I will never say as much as
Speaker 4: me because that's not possible, but close, and she treats
Speaker 4: them like her absolute babies. So I trust her when
Speaker 4: she's here with them, and she's so good to them,
Speaker 4: so it's reassuring knowing that she's with them if I'm gone.
Speaker 3: Has Jason visited the dogs?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 5: All right, well what do you think about? What do
Speaker 5: you think about those phillies? I'll just say it because
Speaker 5: I'm being I'm just gonna be funny in myself right now.
Speaker 5: But there's been a lack of posting of Jason and
Speaker 5: his girlfriend Kat recently.
Speaker 3: Really do you have a comment?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Really? That's her comment. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't pay attention to it just because I I don't.
Speaker 4: I honestly don't see anything on the internet, and so
Speaker 4: I don't know. I actually didn't know that they haven't
Speaker 4: been posting, So that's news to me.
Speaker 2: Here's a more interesting way to look at this too.
Speaker 2: It's been a while obviously we had a show where
Speaker 2: we sorted out our differences based on an interview with
Speaker 2: Jason and Chris and myself kind of talking about things.
Speaker 2: It was a huge relationship making headlines and then the
Speaker 2: breakup and then I think anything you do, Caitlin, is
Speaker 2: going to make headlines. I just do. I think it's
Speaker 2: the kind of the world you live in. You have
Speaker 2: brought that upon yourself, and it's also a compliment to
Speaker 2: yourself because people care and they're interested. Yeah, would you say,
Speaker 2: at this point in your life, let me phrase this
Speaker 2: the right way, would you say, at this point in
Speaker 2: your life, what Jason does romantically or what he does
Speaker 2: personally affects you at all? Or is that a season
Speaker 2: of life now that you've moved on from.
Speaker 4: Definitely a season of life where I genuinely just want
Speaker 4: everybody to be happy. I know people think that might
Speaker 4: be a cop out or that I'm just saying that.
Speaker 4: I genuinely, from the bottom of my black little heart,
Speaker 4: genuinely just want people to be happy. I am so
Speaker 4: over any like drama or this, or you know, like
Speaker 4: resentment or whatever. I just want people to be happy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe you have to come out publicly with a
Speaker 2: new relationship, so people move on.
Speaker 5: Never mind, I won't do it, and I go the
Speaker 5: same way. I was like, is that because possibly you're
Speaker 5: very happy? Well?
Speaker 4: I do think like I think the happiest people don't
Speaker 4: need to show off. I just feel like I'm in
Speaker 4: a very zen, peaceful, happy place in my life. And
Speaker 4: I when you feel that way, you want that for
Speaker 4: other people, even if, like in the past, you might
Speaker 4: not have. I just mid a place where I'm like,
Speaker 4: I want everybody to feel what I'm feeling right now.
Speaker 4: I feel like all of my mental work, my physical work,
Speaker 4: everything is just finally paying off where I'm like, like Kombay,
Speaker 4: fucking yeah.
Speaker 3: She's almost forty, flirty and thriving. Do you feel this
Speaker 3: way towards Tasha?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do. I do. I just again, it's just
Speaker 4: a in my heart of hearts what I have said
Speaker 4: and what I have done. I hope people know my
Speaker 4: humor by this point, and I again, I just want
Speaker 4: people to be happy and unbothered. And because that's how
Speaker 4: I'm feeling.
Speaker 2: You are an open book. It's frustrating for me. I
Speaker 2: think I said this on the show here as a
Speaker 2: friend because I I just wish people got to know.
Speaker 2: Like I think if they knew Caitlin and then these
Speaker 2: things came out publicly, maybe like oh goodness, like they
Speaker 2: would just be like, goodness, gracious, she's just saying what
Speaker 2: she's thinking, right, But I don't think people know Like
Speaker 2: I think they see one side. They see like the
Speaker 2: media side, they see the podcast host, they see, you know,
Speaker 2: the person that's getting called to be on the Golden
Speaker 2: Bachelorette strip Tea's date, and then they're like, why would
Speaker 2: she say that? That's that's coming from a mean place.
Speaker 2: But if I think if they knew you, they'd be like, no,
Speaker 2: that's just Caitlin like not having a buffer, and that's
Speaker 2: helpful always. It's maybe not the most like healthy thing
Speaker 2: because it does bring on its own criticism, but what
Speaker 2: it does do is that it does allow people to
Speaker 2: get to know where you're at.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm learning though, because to me sometimes it's I
Speaker 4: don't know if it's worth it anymore to be so
Speaker 4: much of an open book, Like I'm I feel like
Speaker 4: it's here's the thing. Any time I've talked about other people,
Speaker 4: it just never goes well, and I just feel like
Speaker 4: I don't I don't want to talk negatively about other
Speaker 4: people ever again, because it's it doesn't feel good, it's
Speaker 4: not a good look, and it always ends up being
Speaker 4: a headline that I don't mean anyways, and it's you know,
Speaker 4: warped into something different, and I do. I think that's
Speaker 4: something I always wish people knew, is like what my
Speaker 4: actual heart and intentions are as a human being. And
Speaker 4: I think I get I think I get pigeonholed or
Speaker 4: misunderstood a lot because a lot of people don't even
Speaker 4: know who I am, and they might not even remember
Speaker 4: me except for as the bachelorette, so they they just
Speaker 4: think I'm this crude, offside, raunchy No.
Speaker 2: I always I don't know if that's helped. I think
Speaker 2: that's you speaking, Yeah, I think that's you, Yeah, kind
Speaker 2: of picking out what the most like negative view of
Speaker 2: you could be.
Speaker 4: Possibly.
Speaker 2: I think most people like love and appreciate you and
Speaker 2: laugh alongside you and relate with you. I also think
Speaker 2: that like, if people are listening and they say, okay,
Speaker 2: then who is Caitlin? I would I would describe you
Speaker 2: as the person that is going to go to the
Speaker 2: bar with you and probably do something that makes everybody
Speaker 2: laugh at and embarrass yourself in the process and be
Speaker 2: okay with it and like enjoy the smiles that other
Speaker 2: people get. And you're gonna say some wild stuff. You are,
Speaker 2: You're gonna say some stuff that makes you go I
Speaker 2: cannot believe that just came out of her mouth. But
Speaker 2: it doesn't come from a place of wanting anybody else
Speaker 2: to suffer. No, never, I do. Also, I've been seeing
Speaker 2: this recently and maybe your zen place from a distance.
Speaker 2: You know, you and I don't want to compare, but
Speaker 2: and you know, when we all get off this show,
Speaker 2: there is this race to stay relevant. It happens to
Speaker 2: all of us in different ways, in different platforms in
Speaker 2: different times. And then you you have gone into relationships
Speaker 2: purposefully or not. You know, obviously, come off the show
Speaker 2: with Sean like relevancy is just a everybody wants to
Speaker 2: know what you're up to. And then you get in
Speaker 2: a relationship with Jason where social media was a big
Speaker 2: part of your relationship. We knew where you're at and
Speaker 2: what you're doing at most times because you were active
Speaker 2: on social You're not as active anymore, and the world
Speaker 2: doesn't really know where you're at in relationship to others
Speaker 2: at this point in your life. But that seems like
Speaker 2: it is a healthy like sign that like that is
Speaker 2: something you're that intrigued by. Is to keep your relationship relevant.
Speaker 4: I don't. I do not want to use anything in
Speaker 4: my life to stay relevant. I don't want, whether it
Speaker 4: be even just like my dogs or you know, I
Speaker 4: just I don't want to ever use something for relevancy,
Speaker 4: for views, for likes, for for whatever reason. And I
Speaker 4: have found so much peace in that because because I
Speaker 4: do share so much, so to keep something to myself
Speaker 4: and not have any noise and you know, not have
Speaker 4: people questioning when oh they're not posting as much and
Speaker 4: have you noticed, and what's going on and they don't
Speaker 4: like this anymore, and like to not have to even
Speaker 4: think about that or worry about that. I would never
Speaker 4: want to use a relationship to monetize, because I've done that.
Speaker 4: I did that even you know, you get engaged publicly
Speaker 4: and you're being offered other deals and you're monetizing, and
Speaker 4: you're monetizing, and then you just it loses all of
Speaker 4: the foundation and the importance of the relationship. And I'm
Speaker 4: just it's so important to me to protect that at
Speaker 4: all costs moving forward, because I want a healthy, loving
Speaker 4: relationship that is strong and no other noise coming in
Speaker 4: on it.
Speaker 3: So she's admitting she's in a relationship.
Speaker 2: I didn't hear that. I didn't hear that.
Speaker 4: You'll never know, You'll never know.
Speaker 5: The last thing you posted on social media was as
Speaker 5: you feeling really nostalgic about Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 3: Because you've been watching Joey on it and him killing
Speaker 3: the game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's almost too good. I'm like, what this is?
Speaker 4: It's freaky how good he is?
Speaker 3: Yeah, how do you how much do you miss that time?
Speaker 4: Honestly, the Dancing with the Stars? I know some people say,
Speaker 4: like I heard Gabby talking about it the other day
Speaker 4: and she like refers to it as I don't I
Speaker 4: don't want to put words in growth, I don't remember,
Speaker 4: but she she wouldn't do it again, or something like that.
Speaker 4: And I know a lot of people think it's the
Speaker 4: hardest thing they've ever done. But sometimes I find it
Speaker 4: hard to even watch Dancing with the Stars because of
Speaker 4: how much nostalgia and joy it brings me. Because even
Speaker 4: though it was so hard and the physical emotional like
Speaker 4: strain I went through was beyond belief with that show,
Speaker 4: like I didn't. I didn't expect that I would do
Speaker 4: it again in a heartbeat because it was so rewarding,
Speaker 4: and I just I'll never be able to explain to
Speaker 4: people my passion for dancing. It is truly like something
Speaker 4: that I do if I'm anxious, if I'm depressed, if
Speaker 4: i want to be in the moment, if I'm like,
Speaker 4: you know, for exercise. I just love dancing so much
Speaker 4: and I would do anything to be back on that
Speaker 4: dance floor. I know I love it.
Speaker 2: Would you, I mean, would you as you look back
Speaker 2: on your reality television journey, what like what stands like
Speaker 2: what pops out in your head? First Bachelorette or Dance
Speaker 2: with the Stars?
Speaker 4: Probably Bachelorette because I just feel like that was the
Speaker 4: most pivotal thing for me, and I feel like it
Speaker 4: taught me the most about myself and I realized how
Speaker 4: strong I was through that. But definitely Dancing with the
Speaker 4: Stars was like my most memorable I would say.
Speaker 2: You're made for like you were made for Like that
Speaker 2: was right away. It was like it was a season
Speaker 2: where people hadn't necessarily done it. I mean, I guess
Speaker 2: souls did it, but it felt like it was still
Speaker 2: in question, is Kaylen going to be on Dance with
Speaker 2: the Stars everybody wanted you to do.
Speaker 4: I couldn't believe it was five years late, like it was,
Speaker 4: you know, like that's a long time to be off
Speaker 4: and then be asked to go on. And I think
Speaker 4: that really helped me too, because I was just so grateful.
Speaker 3: To be there.
Speaker 4: And I love being pushed in like out. I like
Speaker 4: being pushed in a way where I'm like, I didn't
Speaker 4: think I could do that, but somebody else pushed me
Speaker 4: hard enough to get there, and then I prove myself wrong.
Speaker 4: I love that. I'm very competitive and just the fact
Speaker 4: that it was also dancing is amazing. I loved it.
Speaker 5: Your partner on the show, Ardam, is going through some
Speaker 5: all time allegations right now about domestic abuse.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how do you stayed in touch with him?
Speaker 4: I honestly, this is it's so hard because obviously we
Speaker 4: don't know what happened. In my mind, domestic abuse is awful.
Speaker 4: It's terrible, it's sad, it's scary, and the back and
Speaker 4: forth between like he said, she said, is so overwhelming
Speaker 4: and it's all that my heart can do is say,
Speaker 4: I hope everyone's okay. I hope whoever is, you know,
Speaker 4: in a dark place is getting the help that they need.
Speaker 4: And all I can think about is Matteo, their son,
Speaker 4: Like I know, they both probably just want what's best
Speaker 4: for him, and it just feels very messy right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you know, for the for the Dance with
Speaker 2: the Stars to be doing as well as its doing
Speaker 2: right now and to have the stars that they have
Speaker 2: on it right now, there's also just those kind of
Speaker 2: things looming over it. Yeah, But kind of going back
Speaker 2: on my original question that started this train of thought
Speaker 2: and then talking now about Bachelorette and Dancing with the
Speaker 2: Stars and just Kaitlin knowing the place that you're at
Speaker 2: in life right now, what is like, what what does
Speaker 2: life look like now going forward? Because if we were
Speaker 2: to ask you this five years ago, I'm assuming the
Speaker 2: answer would have been like, in a lot of ways,
Speaker 2: maybe without saying it, like what's next, you know, like
Speaker 2: how what new project can I do? What can I
Speaker 2: get involved with? Those types of things? I'm assuming now
Speaker 2: the answer looks a little different.
Speaker 4: It's so different. I My answer is so different. I
Speaker 4: truly I see the benefit of how much work I
Speaker 4: put into myself and where I want to be in life.
Speaker 4: And I mean that in a way of how I
Speaker 4: how I want to feel, not where I want to
Speaker 4: be in my career. I feel like I've put in
Speaker 4: the hard work. I feel like I'm I'm I'm like
Speaker 4: right now, I'm calling it. I'm marinating in the hard
Speaker 4: work that I've put in and that I'm actually just
Speaker 4: like happy where I'm at instead of thinking what's next.
Speaker 4: I've always thought what's next, and I still like, obviously
Speaker 4: in the back of my mind, I'm still like, well, excellent,
Speaker 4: but I'm trying to try. And that's just my aid,
Speaker 4: that's just who I am. But I'm I'm really doing
Speaker 4: a good job of sitting in the where I am
Speaker 4: right now and being as in that and being like, wow,
Speaker 4: I've done a lot, and I've worked really hard on
Speaker 4: myself during all of it to evolve as a human being.
Speaker 4: And I look back on the last ten years of
Speaker 4: my life and I'm like, I am a complete different
Speaker 4: person in the best way I can hope for that.
Speaker 4: I just it's all my focus is on how I
Speaker 4: want to feel instead of what I want to be doing.
Speaker 4: How do I want to feel in five years, not
Speaker 4: what do I want to do in five years, so
Speaker 4: it's minus the ten year plan of being the Golden Bachelorette.
Speaker 4: That's kind of where I'm at.
Speaker 2: I want more for you. I want you to find
Speaker 2: somebody within those ten years.
Speaker 4: Ben, you couldn't pay me to be the Golden Bachelotte,
Speaker 4: would I couldn't ever do any of that. Me just
Speaker 4: sitting here preaching about like keeping my romance private and
Speaker 4: then just going on this show again.
Speaker 5: Well, if keeping your romance private doesn't work, then is
Speaker 5: to go back to.
Speaker 3: The old wayce.
Speaker 1: Backwards?
Speaker 3: Yeah all right, Well you're so fun to have on
Speaker 3: all the time. I love you so much.
Speaker 4: I love you.
Speaker 3: Oh wait, we need to have our ten year reunion.
Speaker 4: I can't believe it. I can't, I can and I
Speaker 4: can't believe it. But the fact that that was ten
Speaker 4: years ago that we were on the Bachelor, like it
Speaker 4: really does feel like a lifetime ago, and like ten
Speaker 4: years ago does make sense, But I still can't believe it.
Speaker 4: Like my I said in the group text, I was like,
Speaker 4: my brain cannot compute that it's been ten years. But
Speaker 4: I would love to do a reunion.
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, really really do I think we should
Speaker 5: start working on this this week.
Speaker 3: Ten years ago, we were in Santa Fe.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, wait where did we We didn't go
Speaker 4: to anywhere that I would like to have a reunion, but.
Speaker 2: Your season did not exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's all reunite in Iowa.
Speaker 5: Wouldn't it be hilarious if we like went to Iowa?
Speaker 4: We actually should.
Speaker 2: It would be really fun for me and I think
Speaker 2: a lot of fans because I was watching that season
Speaker 2: knowing that the Bachelorette was going to come from that season.
Speaker 2: I was looking at the pictures I think Ashley posted
Speaker 2: of your guys' season, like the whole group together, and
Speaker 2: there's so many people that I have no clue where
Speaker 2: they're at now in life. It would be really fun,
Speaker 2: is if one of you, at some point could figure
Speaker 2: out how to at least get a quick catchup on
Speaker 2: all these people who we saw not only in your
Speaker 2: season but then in Paradise, who now is like are
Speaker 2: like gone? Yeah, which means that my season of the
Speaker 2: Bachelor is coming up on ten years Yeah that's wild.
Speaker 5: Okay, Well this is giving me like an idea for
Speaker 5: a news like series.
Speaker 2: Let's make money on this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so we need to get Ashley as on who
Speaker 5: by the way, you know, because is that you know
Speaker 5: everybody knows.
Speaker 3: Ashley asked, is like, what was that line where She's like,
Speaker 3: is that a pomegranate? Or it was a pomegranate? And
Speaker 3: she thought it an onion? Is that an onion?
Speaker 2: That's right?
Speaker 3: She has four kids? Now? What?
Speaker 4: Yeah, she has four kids. I still that is mind
Speaker 4: blowing to me. But I think she I remember talking
Speaker 4: to her and she said something like I think she's
Speaker 4: sober or she was sober for I don't know if
Speaker 4: she still is because I don't. We don't follow each
Speaker 4: other anymore, but now I want to follow her again.
Speaker 4: Wow for kids?
Speaker 3: Why does you unfollow each other?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I have so many Instagram cleanses and sometimes I'm like whoops,
Speaker 4: and then other times I'm like I'm free. But you
Speaker 4: know what, I you know what I do sometimes as
Speaker 4: I just go and like I try and be like
Speaker 4: do I talk to them anymore? Are they close? Do
Speaker 4: they does what they post on their feet bring me
Speaker 4: joy or does it make me stressed out? And and
Speaker 4: do they still follow me? So I remember noticing that
Speaker 4: brit unfollowed me and I was like what wow? And
Speaker 4: then so I went through and I think, yeah, I
Speaker 4: don't know what happened. This is so many years ago,
Speaker 4: so I don't actually remember. But yeah, I love a
Speaker 4: good cleanse. I love a cleanse.
Speaker 3: Well, let's get some of these people on there.
Speaker 4: And there's no not one person I wouldn't want to
Speaker 4: see from our season of the Bat of the Bachelor.
Speaker 4: There's not one girl I wouldn't want to now, even Kelseysie.
Speaker 5: We'd have to have Kelsey just for like, we're too curious.
Speaker 4: She won't come, but the invites there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Caitlin, you're the best you are and thanks for
Speaker 2: coming on. It was great to see you on our
Speaker 2: television screens. You're the perfect choice. Your facial expressions lit
Speaker 2: up the television. It was great. We always appreciate you
Speaker 2: as a guest and Almost Famous podcast and we cannot
Speaker 2: wait to talk to you again soon.
Speaker 4: Yes, I'll be back, you know, I will see y'all.
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