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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide

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Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, presented by first Light,

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Speaker 1: creating proven versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind.

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Speaker 1: First Light, Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host

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Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.

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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome to the Wire to Hunt Foundations podcast,

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Speaker 2: which is brought to you by First Light. I'm your host,

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Speaker 2: Tony Peterson, and this week's show is all about how

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Speaker 2: to fill one last tag before the whole thing ends

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Speaker 2: and we're stuck waiting on next fall. I have a

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Speaker 2: love hate relationship with a late season. It's a rare

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Speaker 2: day that I get to hunt a place that has

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Speaker 2: a good food source and the promise of deer just

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Speaker 2: pouring into the groceries to compete for some calories. During

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Speaker 2: the last few weeks of the season, I kind of

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Speaker 2: just tend to want to phone it in because I

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Speaker 2: know it's not going to be easy, and I'm always

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Speaker 2: a little burned out this time of year, and i

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Speaker 2: know the odds of having a fun, productive hunt aren't

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Speaker 2: that great. But that attitude is kind of dumb, because

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Speaker 2: hunting even when it's cold and the deer activity is

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Speaker 2: probably going to be pretty light, can still be enjoyable.

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Speaker 2: You just have to find the motivation to get out

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Speaker 2: there and then bring your a game, because tagging any

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Speaker 2: buzzer beater deer is a tough proposition, which is what

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Speaker 2: this whole episode is all about. One weird thing about

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Speaker 2: being a human which makes me sound I don't know,

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Speaker 2: like I come from the same planet as Mark Zuckerberg

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Speaker 2: or hell Mark Kenyan is that we have to lie

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Speaker 2: to ourselves all the time. Well, technically we don't have to,

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Speaker 2: but we do. Back when my job was just writing

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Speaker 2: assignments for different newspapers and magazines, and I wasn't forced

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Speaker 2: to be a social media influencer who wants to kick

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Speaker 2: his own ass every day, I procrastinated. Often having a

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Speaker 2: couple hundred deadlines a year keeps you in the groove.

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Speaker 2: But it's easy to tell yourself you'll write that piece

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Speaker 2: on training pheasant dogs tonight, and that you should probably

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Speaker 2: just go bass fishing today since it's so nice out

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Speaker 2: and the frog bite is on fire. And then at

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Speaker 2: the end of the night, the computer just sits there

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Speaker 2: quietly waiting for you to tap out a thousand words

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Speaker 2: or so, and often doesn't see your smiling mug until

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Speaker 2: the next morning. We lie to ourselves in a lot

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Speaker 2: of ways. Think about all of the fad diets out there,

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Speaker 2: all of the programs to take you from sitting on

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Speaker 2: watching reruns of the Office, to someone with six percent

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Speaker 2: and who prefers to spend his free time meditating. We

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Speaker 2: lie to ourselves and say that since the daily motivation

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Speaker 2: isn't there, we just need to commit to some program

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Speaker 2: like that that'll keep us accountable to ourselves. But the

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Speaker 2: warden is us, and he's pretty lenient and prone to

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Speaker 2: well lying, so we can have what we want, which

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Speaker 2: is not drinking a kale smoothie after running a half

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Speaker 2: out tomorrow. When I first started working out, which was

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Speaker 2: pretty quickly that I had been lying to myself about

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Speaker 2: a lot of stuff I wasn't remotely in shape, and

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Speaker 2: an ice cream Sunday buffet. During my initial phases of

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Speaker 2: lying to ourselves can go both ways, or at least,

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Speaker 2: you can trick yourself into doing things you don't want

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Speaker 2: That's a tasty word salad full of mental kale, So

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Speaker 2: let me explain this. I love music. I think maybe

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Speaker 2: one of the best things about our current level of

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Speaker 2: technology is that you can listen to any damn song

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Speaker 2: the regular rotation. This is wonderful, especially if you're old

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Speaker 2: enough to remember buying tapes to listen to when you

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Speaker 2: It'll ignore the sweet sounds of Reverend Maynard singing about

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Speaker 2: At least that's what happened for me. I didn't realize

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Speaker 2: how to take my mind out of the equation until

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Speaker 2: I started listening to podcasts that really interested me. Maybe

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Speaker 2: I'm just not a very good multitasker, but I had

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Speaker 2: to trick my brain in focusing on a podcast while

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Speaker 2: my body trudged through another slow, painful five k. That

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Speaker 2: discovery changed everything for me about doing cardio. It's simple,

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Speaker 2: kind of dumb, but it works, or at least it

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Speaker 2: I'm not talking about Mariah Carey Christmas songs or the

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Speaker 2: kind of music that makes your chest hair grow and

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Speaker 2: grizzly bears. It's just a little trick to play on

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Speaker 2: These types of things happen in everyday life all the time.

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Speaker 2: We play mental games. Think about how you envision time

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Speaker 2: These little personal lies, these mental gymnastics, they happen to

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Speaker 2: us all the time. In hunting too. Think about how

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Speaker 2: often you talk yourself into not hunting. Why, Because hunting

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Speaker 2: is work, it's supposed to be fun. But there is

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Speaker 2: a lot of labor built into everything. If not on

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Speaker 2: the front end of just going out and being around deer,

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Speaker 2: you know, I'd like to go hunting before the closing bell,

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Speaker 2: why would one walk by? Now, if we do decide

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Speaker 2: We might think, while this guy in the Outdoor Channel

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Speaker 2: that hunter spends his entire season hunting what is essentially

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Speaker 2: To put yourself in the game right now, you have

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Speaker 2: it's essential to enjoying a hunt. Most of us don't

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Speaker 2: need to be fully snowed in with deer on any

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Speaker 2: seeing deer can be enough. If you don't believe you're

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Speaker 2: into believing you'll see one. How do you do this well?

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Speaker 2: For starters, If your cameras are pretty slow, which they

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Speaker 2: you need to forget about them. If you don't have

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Speaker 2: season are just playing dangerous. They will almost inevitably give

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Speaker 2: you a reason to not hunt, but don't fall for that. Instead,

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Speaker 2: ask yourself what you need to do to be in

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Speaker 2: a lot of scouting and a lot of observation. I'm

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Speaker 2: not that great of a late season deer hunter. I

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Speaker 2: struggle with it every year, but I have killed some

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Speaker 2: I find as the years pass, I'm more tolerant of

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Speaker 2: You have to put yourself there. So look at it

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Speaker 2: Where will they be moving? What setups do you have

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Speaker 2: like an early season hunt, only much much harder. You

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Speaker 2: want to know where the deer are likely to eat,

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Speaker 2: don't start with the idea of where they'll go to

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Speaker 2: fill their bellies, you're in trouble. It's also a good

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Speaker 2: are likely betting, kind of like, well, the early season,

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Speaker 2: crossbow bolts. While this reality would, at least on paper,

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Speaker 2: you're likely to bump them. Maybe that's not too big

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Speaker 2: to pressure where you hunt where I hunt. Mostly that

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Speaker 2: I've recommended forgetting your trail cameras and not putting your

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Speaker 2: boots on the ground to cover every inch of your property,

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Speaker 2: which leaves what observation kind of like early season. The

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Speaker 2: deer are visible, or at least they can be if

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Speaker 2: you have a way to watch them. Do it. Play

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Speaker 2: it safe at first, if you have the time. I'm

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Speaker 2: always amazed when I go out in the late season

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Speaker 2: how easy it is to pick up movement in the

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Speaker 2: cover and watch as deer do their thing. Why is

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Speaker 2: this week. I'm Tony Peterson. This has been the Wire

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