WEBVTT - The Cher Episode

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck and Jerry's here too, And this is stuff you

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<v Speaker 2>should know. Stuff you should know.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that your auto tune?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>I told you turn that off?

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<v Speaker 2>It's stuck on on. It's stuck on.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome, Yeah, it's And this wasn't even intentional, but here

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<v Speaker 1>we are doing another biography of another gay icon.

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<v Speaker 2>Another Well, she's not gay, she's an icon of the

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<v Speaker 2>gay community.

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck, Well, that's what I meant.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. Yeah, I'm just being contrarian already. Yeah, I know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really feeling it. I'm full of pee and vinegar today.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh we say P and V at our house for

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<v Speaker 1>our dog Gibson. He's full of P and V all

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<v Speaker 1>the time.

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<v Speaker 2>That's awesome. How's he doing.

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<v Speaker 1>He's good. He's a lot to handle, but he's an

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<v Speaker 1>awesome sweet boy.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got to be pretty big by now. His paws

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<v Speaker 2>were huge as a puppy. He is.

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<v Speaker 1>He's pretty large. I mean he's a full, full, full grown.

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<v Speaker 2>Doggie like Clifford large.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, he's not oversized, but he's a big boy.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, shout out to Gibson and shout out to Share.

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<v Speaker 2>We're doing an entire episode on right now.

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<v Speaker 1>As you said, do you mean Sherilyn Sarkisian?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I do. I do. And when I saw that,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I knew she was Armenian. I never

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it up until this moment, but I just

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<v Speaker 2>knew she was Armenian in heritage.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, I mean I think one thing Share sort

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<v Speaker 1>of played with over the years was some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>ambiguous ethnicity.

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<v Speaker 2>That's one way you could put it.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, But yeah, she's a Her father, John Paul Sarchizian,

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<v Speaker 1>was Armenian. He was a horse breeder and a truck

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<v Speaker 1>driver who had addiction troubles. So he got divorced from

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<v Speaker 1>her mother before Chare was a year old, which would

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<v Speaker 1>have been nineteen forty seven, because cher was born in

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<v Speaker 1>El Central California in nineteen forty six.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, you were studying me. Yeah, I read Chuck

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<v Speaker 2>that her mother, Georgia, and her father, John Paul, got

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<v Speaker 2>married two more times, so they were married a total

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<v Speaker 2>of three times.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And I think her mother, Georgia Holt, who was

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<v Speaker 1>an actress, she was married like eight times.

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<v Speaker 2>Eight times from what I saw. Yeah, I think Georgie's

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<v Speaker 2>mom had her when she was thirteen or something like that,

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<v Speaker 2>and so they had a very share had a very

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<v Speaker 2>interesting upbringing, and I had never seen it compared to Mermaids,

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<v Speaker 2>but it really strikes me from some of the interviews

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<v Speaker 2>and articles I've read about her that her upbringing was

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<v Speaker 2>a lot like Winona Ryder's upbringing.

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<v Speaker 1>And Mates, which is a movie Share was in in

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<v Speaker 1>case you're wondering, Well, right, I was even brought up.

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<v Speaker 2>But man, that movie is so good. I saw it

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<v Speaker 2>for the first time, just like last year, and it

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<v Speaker 2>is a really good movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. You know, Cher is one of my favorite actors.

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<v Speaker 1>When I look through her filmography. Mm hmm, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>like it's a murderer's row of great parts and great films.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure, and we'll talk about those. Apparently, as

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<v Speaker 2>it turns out, she wanted to be a performer from

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<v Speaker 2>a very young age. I saw something like four, she

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<v Speaker 2>saw Dumbo and was like, I'm going to be a

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<v Speaker 2>performer like Dumbo. Yeah, and she actually kind of put

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<v Speaker 2>her money where her mouth is at age eleven. I

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<v Speaker 2>love precocious kids stories like this. She put on a

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<v Speaker 2>production of Oklahoma and apparently could only get other girls

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<v Speaker 2>to be in the show with her, so she just

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<v Speaker 2>went ahead and played all the male parts herself.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. That's a great story. And just a few

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<v Speaker 1>years after that, Warren Baty would be sleeping with her.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like just a few years when she was like

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<v Speaker 2>six and he was twenty five. Right, yeah, what is

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<v Speaker 2>it with powerful men in that?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Warren Beatty had a long history of dating

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<v Speaker 1>teenagers back when, you know, back when I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>to say it's like it was super cool to do that,

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<v Speaker 1>but back when you could do that and get away

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<v Speaker 1>with it without being you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Without having to kill al or something the guy who

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<v Speaker 2>knows about it while he's in prison exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>They very famously, she was driving in Hollywood when she

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<v Speaker 1>was sixteen. He almost hit her with the car and

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<v Speaker 1>she got out and was like, are you crazy? And

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<v Speaker 1>she was like, oh my god, you're Warren Batty and

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<v Speaker 1>he was like, why don't you come back to my

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<v Speaker 1>place and have dinner, And that's what happened. She came

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<v Speaker 1>home at two in the morning. Her parents were not thrilled,

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<v Speaker 1>but apparently Warren is very charming and called up Georgia

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<v Speaker 1>Holt called up her mom and made his case, and

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<v Speaker 1>she was like, okay, date my sixteen year old.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that was back then when you could just

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<v Speaker 2>pick up the phone and be.

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<v Speaker 1>Like come on right exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So Share dropped out of high school. Not a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of great performing opportunities while you're in high school, So

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<v Speaker 2>she dropped out and she tried to make it in

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<v Speaker 2>the show in show business. Initially she wanted to be

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<v Speaker 2>an actor, but she met another guy who would have

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<v Speaker 2>a much bigger impact on her life than even Warren Batty,

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<v Speaker 2>a guy named Salvatore Bono, better known as Sonny Bono.

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<v Speaker 2>He was twelve years older than her, rather than just

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<v Speaker 2>the traditional nine that Warren Batty had established, the traditional nine,

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<v Speaker 2>and she was sixteen seventeen something like that when they

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<v Speaker 2>met in Los Angeles, and both of them swear that

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<v Speaker 2>their relationship was platonic at first. That she had moved

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<v Speaker 2>into a group home with some other women, and apparently

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<v Speaker 2>that housing opportunity fell through or ran out, and she

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<v Speaker 2>met Sonny Bono and he's like, why don't you move

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<v Speaker 2>in with me and clean my house? And that's supposedly

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<v Speaker 2>how it was at and then of course it did

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<v Speaker 2>not last very long, and they got married within two years,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, although it wasn't legal for another seven for

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<v Speaker 2>seven years, five years five is just as good an

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<v Speaker 2>ustimate as seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she was eighteen when they got sort of fake

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<v Speaker 1>married in nineteen sixty four. They did have a ceremony,

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<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't a legal wedding, and it became legal

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, in nineteen sixty nine, and Sonny was

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<v Speaker 1>working for music impresario Phil Spector at the time, who

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<v Speaker 1>was like, Hey, this kid you got has got an

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<v Speaker 1>outstanding voice. Also love Shehar's voice, by the way, and

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<v Speaker 1>she started singing back up for Phil Spector on like

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<v Speaker 1>some really big songs like You've Lost That Love and

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<v Speaker 1>Feeling by the Righteous Brothers and Be My Baby by

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<v Speaker 1>the Ronettes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so in two years she's met Warren Baby and

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<v Speaker 2>dated him, met Sonny Bono, moved in with him, and

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<v Speaker 2>is singing back up on Phil Spector songs by age seventeen.

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<v Speaker 2>Have to start it happening for really quickly, And from

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<v Speaker 2>that point on things started happening happening very quickly because

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<v Speaker 2>Sonny Bono was making things happen, Like you said, he

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<v Speaker 2>was working for Phil Spector, and so he was. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess he and Phil were both like this, she needs

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<v Speaker 2>like her own career. Apparently there's an anecdote where when

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<v Speaker 2>she was singing back up on some of those songs,

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<v Speaker 2>Phil Spector kept telling you to like, back up further

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<v Speaker 2>and further away from the mic because she was overpowering

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<v Speaker 2>the other backup singers. So it was very clear that

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<v Speaker 2>she needed her own to go out on her own.

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<v Speaker 2>Although apparently Phil Spector opposed it at first, Sonny Bono

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<v Speaker 2>was like, no, we're gonna take this girl to really

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<v Speaker 2>great places, and we're going to do it by giving

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<v Speaker 2>her the pseudonym Bonnie Joe Mason.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's right. Her first single was released. It was

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<v Speaker 1>called Ringo I Love You as Bonnie Joe Mason. Not

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<v Speaker 1>a great song. And you know schera has a share

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<v Speaker 1>has a low I guess is it an alto?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it sounds like this. If I could turn back

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<v Speaker 2>to her.

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<v Speaker 1>I meant to look up what her voice technically is,

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<v Speaker 1>but maybe baritone, I don't know, but it's that lowe's

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<v Speaker 1>She's got this great, fantastic, powerful low voice. And apparently

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<v Speaker 1>there were some radio stations that thought it was a

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<v Speaker 1>man singing and it was a love song DURINGO star,

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<v Speaker 1>so they refused to play it in some markets, but

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<v Speaker 1>she was like, you know, it's not a very good song,

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<v Speaker 1>not a big deal. But very shortly thereafter, in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty four, would sign with Imperial Records, which was part

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<v Speaker 1>an imprint of Liberty Records, and had her first really

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<v Speaker 1>big hit in sixty five with a cover of Bob

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<v Speaker 1>Dylan's amazing song All I Really.

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<v Speaker 2>Want to Do is roller Skate in parentheses.

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<v Speaker 1>She did a great version too. I love the production

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<v Speaker 1>style and the recording quality of those of like the

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<v Speaker 1>mid sixties and earlier. It's really good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure. So she hit like number fifteen on

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<v Speaker 2>the Billboard charts with that single, that cover of Dylan.

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<v Speaker 2>That's pretty I mean, seriously, think about this. She just

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<v Speaker 2>is like, I'm gonna go make it on my own,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it just happened. I'm really impressed by how

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<v Speaker 2>condensed like her first series of like big exposures were,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. And so in addition to her performing or

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<v Speaker 2>carrying out I guess her solo career, she also was

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<v Speaker 2>performing with Sonny too, as they would become very famous

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<v Speaker 2>together performing, but at first they went under the name

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<v Speaker 2>Caesar and Cleo, apparently as an homage to Sonny's haircut

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<v Speaker 2>at the time, which she said was somewhere between Caesar's

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<v Speaker 2>and Napoleon's hair. I don't know what Napoleon's hair looked like.

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<v Speaker 2>He had like that big old hat he liked to wear. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Cleo was a nod to her ambiguous ethnic looks. People said, like,

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<v Speaker 2>you look like a more glamorous Cleopatra, So that's what

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<v Speaker 2>they went with, and they scuttled that pretty quick.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean she kind of played that up too.

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<v Speaker 1>She had. That's when when she was wearing the dark

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<v Speaker 1>mass scarra was sort of the cattails coming off the

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<v Speaker 1>side and just super super cool, looking like very tan,

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<v Speaker 1>and she had that beautiful long black hair like. I've

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<v Speaker 1>been watching a lot of Share stuff and Sonny and

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<v Speaker 1>Chair from that era today and I got a big

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<v Speaker 1>old man crush on her all over again. That reminded

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<v Speaker 1>me of when I had one on her when I

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<v Speaker 1>was six years old.

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<v Speaker 2>That's cute. From watching the Sonny and Share show and

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<v Speaker 2>all that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So, you know, they had some songs together that

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<v Speaker 1>were not popular, like you talked about, but in sixty

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<v Speaker 1>five they rebranded as themselves as Sonny and Chair with

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<v Speaker 1>that huge, huge number one single I Got You Babe

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<v Speaker 1>that the Rolling Stones, who are always champions of them yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>said I take it over to England, the l'vievode there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Apparently in America they weren't getting much love. Share

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<v Speaker 2>says that they were basically hippies before the word hippie

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<v Speaker 2>was even around, and they dressed like hippies, they acted

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<v Speaker 2>like hippies. In America wasn't ready for hippies yet, but

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<v Speaker 2>England was like, hey, we're swinging over here, so come

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<v Speaker 2>on over here. And yeah, that's just so bizarre that

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<v Speaker 2>the Rolling Stones were the ones who like helped get

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<v Speaker 2>Sonny and Share their big break, because you just do not.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like Led Zeppelin helping out Donnie and Marie in

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<v Speaker 2>my mind, I don't know what I mean, it's very

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<v Speaker 2>similar to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, I would argue Sonny and Share were two

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<v Speaker 1>percent cooler. Oh yeah, Marie.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely, but it's certainly in the same ballpark.

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<v Speaker 1>And totally it's funny. That single I Got You Babe,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the song they're most known for as a

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<v Speaker 1>duo still I think sold more than three million Copies

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<v Speaker 1>was number one for three weeks, and the album was

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<v Speaker 1>number two for eight weeks and probably would have hit

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<v Speaker 1>number one had it not been for the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>The Beatles Help was released at the same time and

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<v Speaker 1>held down that number one spot.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, if you're gonna be number two to anybody,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a pretty pretty good album to be number two

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<v Speaker 2>too at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. But they had ten top forty singles

0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:11.400
<v Speaker 1>and five of those were top tens.

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<v Speaker 2>Not too shabby, No, not at all. The other thing

0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:17.520
<v Speaker 2>that they were very much known for was banter, comic

0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:22.040
<v Speaker 2>banter in between. Apparently Sonny was the comedic writer between

0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:25.320
<v Speaker 2>the two. But Cher said in her eulogy of Sonny

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<v Speaker 2>Bono when he died of from a skiing accident in

0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:32.439
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety eight that he, like people just kind of

0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:35.360
<v Speaker 2>saw Sonny Bono, especially during their early careers, like the

0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:38.840
<v Speaker 2>butt of the jokes. He's like the dip wat I

0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:42.040
<v Speaker 2>guess is a technical way to put it, but that

0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:46.040
<v Speaker 2>he knew that that's what made the most sense with

0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:49.000
<v Speaker 2>their their duo. It made sense for her to be

0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:52.160
<v Speaker 2>the sharper, more sardonic, smarter one and him to be

0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:53.880
<v Speaker 2>the butt of the jokes, but she's like, the big

0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:56.400
<v Speaker 2>joke was he was the one writing the joke, so

0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:59.040
<v Speaker 2>he kind of had the last laugh in that sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you watch any of the the actual variety show

0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:05.120
<v Speaker 1>Banter Today, Harry Yesterday?

0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:09.559
<v Speaker 2>You know? Weirdly, I just read a synopsis, a very

0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:14.880
<v Speaker 2>detailed synopsis of one of their episodes on share scholar

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<v Speaker 2>dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's I encourage you to check it out and

0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:20.920
<v Speaker 1>anyone out there who's like, what was their chemistry like,

0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:24.080
<v Speaker 1>because it is it's really good stuff. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>watched the second iteration of their show that was out

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<v Speaker 1>later on, which we'll get to in a sec. But

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<v Speaker 1>they're just so funny together and you could tell they're

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<v Speaker 1>having a good time, and while it is scripted, it

0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:39.720
<v Speaker 1>comes across as very natural and it feels like they're

0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:42.640
<v Speaker 1>and they may have been improving some of it, but

0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:45.360
<v Speaker 1>it was just they just had fantastic chemistry. And he

0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:47.680
<v Speaker 1>would she would make short jokes because he was five

0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:50.280
<v Speaker 1>to five and she was. She seemed giant compared to him,

0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:52.160
<v Speaker 1>but she was only five seven, but I think they

0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:54.440
<v Speaker 1>put her in heels and stuff like that, and he

0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:58.920
<v Speaker 1>would make jokes about her prominent nose and but she

0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:00.760
<v Speaker 1>usually got the best of him. But they were just

0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:04.080
<v Speaker 1>it was a very cute pairing together. Yeah, you know,

0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:06.719
<v Speaker 1>kind of a cute historic comedy pairing. Yeah.

0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:08.120
<v Speaker 2>All you had to do is put them on TV

0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:09.840
<v Speaker 2>and let them do their thing and people would fall

0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:13.000
<v Speaker 2>in love with them. That's what happened. They were guest

0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:16.319
<v Speaker 2>stars on Kerl Burnett back in nineteen sixty seven. They

0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:20.480
<v Speaker 2>guest hosted some MERV Griffin Show episodes, and just from

0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:24.600
<v Speaker 2>that they introduced themselves to America, their TV chops, I guess,

0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:28.840
<v Speaker 2>and they head of CBS Programming Fred Silverman, who would

0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:34.760
<v Speaker 2>go on to executive produce Diagnosis Murder. He gave them

0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:37.520
<v Speaker 2>their first show in August of nineteen seventy one. It

0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:39.680
<v Speaker 2>was a summer replacement, and I feel like such a

0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:42.520
<v Speaker 2>slack researcher that I didn't go see what that replaced.

0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:44.080
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I didn't either.

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<v Speaker 2>But then when December came around and it was time

0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:49.080
<v Speaker 2>for like, okay, what's the real deal shows, it got

0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:51.800
<v Speaker 2>its own slot and it became like a really big hit.

0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:54.680
<v Speaker 2>They were pulling in like thirty million viewers a week.

0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:57.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, this was I don't think there were thirty

0:14:57.800 --> 0:14:59.600
<v Speaker 2>million people in America at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was kind of the early heyday of the

0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:06.760
<v Speaker 1>variety show, which if you're of a certain age you remember,

0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:08.800
<v Speaker 1>but if you're not, you know, variety shows were these

0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:12.960
<v Speaker 1>comedy half hours, usually an hour where they would they

0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:15.000
<v Speaker 1>would come out and they would do like an opening

0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:17.800
<v Speaker 1>monologue and joke around or probably open with a song

0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:21.280
<v Speaker 1>which would lead into the monologue, and then it was

0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:23.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, it was sketches, it was music. They would

0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:26.400
<v Speaker 1>have musical and comedy guests. It was called the Sonny

0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:28.280
<v Speaker 1>and Share Comedy Hour, and it was just there were

0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:29.920
<v Speaker 1>a lot of these great shows back then, and I

0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:33.360
<v Speaker 1>pined for those to come back, and I think they

0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:36.640
<v Speaker 1>could if they did it right. Really yeah, I think

0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:39.520
<v Speaker 1>if you had the right the right people, and especially

0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:41.280
<v Speaker 1>like a couple like this is kind of a fun

0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:43.560
<v Speaker 1>way to do it. H I think it could work.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they have some that are like skirting the

0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:51.160
<v Speaker 2>genre for sure. Yeah, they're terrible, Like America's got talent

0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:53.840
<v Speaker 2>and the voice and all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's not the same. It's not street see.

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<v Speaker 2>But some of those are like there's so many different

0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:01.080
<v Speaker 2>acts or different types of acts, but it's close. It's

0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:04.160
<v Speaker 2>just missing like the people who host the show, like

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<v Speaker 2>having like a larger main role in it, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean?

0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:12.040
<v Speaker 1>Like I get that, like take away the competition aspect,

0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:14.840
<v Speaker 1>get a couple of cutie pies like us to host it.

0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:18.400
<v Speaker 2>Sure, I mean, I guess my point is, be careful

0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:19.280
<v Speaker 2>what you wish.

0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:22.280
<v Speaker 1>For right now, you're right, because what are the chances

0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:23.080
<v Speaker 1>they would do it right?

0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:23.640
<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Probably not good.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Sonny Bono is very very much tied to Share

0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:32.000
<v Speaker 2>and vice versa in most people's mind and a lot

0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:35.680
<v Speaker 2>of people's mind, especially older people. But there's another collaborator

0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:38.160
<v Speaker 2>that a guy who wrote for The New Yorker. His

0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:42.360
<v Speaker 2>name's Michael Shulman. He said that Bob Mackie, the very

0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:47.480
<v Speaker 2>very famous fashion designer, was probably arguably surpassing Bono as

0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:50.880
<v Speaker 2>her defining collaborator because one thing people know about Share

0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:54.400
<v Speaker 2>is that she will wear any over the top outfit

0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:56.840
<v Speaker 2>that Bob Mackie would make for her. And apparently they

0:16:56.840 --> 0:17:00.360
<v Speaker 2>were very close collaborators. It wasn't like Bob Mackie would say, here,

0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:03.440
<v Speaker 2>I designed this, put this on. She would go back

0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:05.399
<v Speaker 2>and forth with them, kind of push him to go

0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:08.280
<v Speaker 2>even further, and just just from the fact that she

0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:11.920
<v Speaker 2>was willing to try on or where in public. Anything

0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:14.600
<v Speaker 2>he came up with I think really inspired him too,

0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:17.240
<v Speaker 2>So those two were as much a duo as Sonny

0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:17.880
<v Speaker 2>and Share were.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and to be clear, like this was started on

0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:23.879
<v Speaker 1>that TV show. It wasn't just the sort of iconic

0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:25.679
<v Speaker 1>things she would wear on the red carpet later like

0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:28.240
<v Speaker 1>they've they've been together since the beginning basically.

0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:30.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think their TV show would have something like

0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:35.359
<v Speaker 2>twenty different costume changes per episode, and Bob mackie was

0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:41.080
<v Speaker 2>there designing everything. So yeah, they're they're very close, I think. Still,

0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:42.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure Bob macki is still around.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, we're gonna go check and see if

0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:47.560
<v Speaker 1>Bob macki is still with this and take a break

0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:50.200
<v Speaker 1>and we'll come back with the with the breaking news

0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:50.879
<v Speaker 1>right after this.

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<v Speaker 2>We los so much stuff from Josh and shuck stuff fui,

0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:18.800
<v Speaker 2>all right, Chuck, so lay it on everybody. Is Bob Mackie,

0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:21.600
<v Speaker 2>known as the Sultan of Sequins, still alive.

0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:25.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad to say, sir that he is. He's was

0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:28.400
<v Speaker 1>born in nineteen forty, so Bob McKee is eighty four

0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:31.120
<v Speaker 1>years young, very nice, still going.

0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:36.399
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so back to Sonny again. Sonny's spirit is out there, like, Okay,

0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:38.280
<v Speaker 2>that's enough about Bob mckew. Let's get back to.

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<v Speaker 1>Me, right, Okay, So should I take over here?

0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:43.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Right? Well, they had their they're a very popular TV show.

0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Romantically with their marriage things weren't as successful. Sonny started

0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:58.920
<v Speaker 1>stepping out and then Cher started stepping out on their marriage.

0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:02.280
<v Speaker 1>They had some financial issues, which we should be like,

0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:05.760
<v Speaker 1>how in the world with these huge stars have money trouble.

0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:10.280
<v Speaker 1>One of the reasons because Sonny was he controlled everything

0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:13.400
<v Speaker 1>in their relationship when it came to the business, so

0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:16.800
<v Speaker 1>he was controlling their money. One of the big things

0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:19.480
<v Speaker 1>that happened was in sixty nine he financed a movie

0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:24.280
<v Speaker 1>called Chastity, putting most of their money into it for

0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:27.160
<v Speaker 1>share to you know, star in her first movie vehicle,

0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:29.600
<v Speaker 1>and it was a big flop. It's one of the

0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:32.639
<v Speaker 1>big rules of movie production is you never put your

0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:36.399
<v Speaker 1>own money into your own movie. Just not smart to do. So.

0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:41.040
<v Speaker 1>It was actually the same year that Chaz Bono was born,

0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:45.520
<v Speaker 1>which is their son who very famously transitioned in two

0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:49.560
<v Speaker 1>thousand and eight because Chas was assigned female at birth.

0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:53.120
<v Speaker 2>Right and That's another thing that Share would become very

0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:58.280
<v Speaker 2>famous for is championing trans rights in large part because

0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:01.760
<v Speaker 2>of her experience with Chas or So. And she's become

0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:04.120
<v Speaker 2>a real as we'll see I think, as you mentioned

0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:06.520
<v Speaker 2>at the outset of a gay icon, and also a

0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:09.760
<v Speaker 2>huge she has a huge following in the trans community too.

0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:11.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely so.

0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:15.920
<v Speaker 2>By nineteen seventy three, Sonny and Share show are still

0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:19.320
<v Speaker 2>going on, still going pretty strong, and for all intents

0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:22.840
<v Speaker 2>and purposes, Sonny is married to a former cigarette girl

0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:27.679
<v Speaker 2>in a club called named Connie Foreman. But for the

0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:32.680
<v Speaker 2>public's information, they were still together Sonny and Share where

0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:36.120
<v Speaker 2>finally they're like, Okay, this isn't sustainable anymore. And they

0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:40.000
<v Speaker 2>started to get divorced in nineteen seventy four. And you

0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:47.840
<v Speaker 2>said that Sonny had total control over their finances, right, Yeah,

0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:52.080
<v Speaker 2>he had even more control than she realized. Like I

0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:54.480
<v Speaker 2>think she just thought like he handled that stuff. But

0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:57.359
<v Speaker 2>as they were getting divorced, her own lawyer was like,

0:20:57.440 --> 0:21:01.919
<v Speaker 2>you know, the company that was built on your talent,

0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:07.719
<v Speaker 2>it's actually called Share Enterprises. You own zero percent of that.

0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:11.359
<v Speaker 2>Sonny owns ninety five percent, and the lawyer that runs

0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:15.280
<v Speaker 2>the thing owns the other five you own nothing. And

0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:17.840
<v Speaker 2>she's like, oh my god, really that's crazy. And the

0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:21.359
<v Speaker 2>lawyer's like, no, it gets even worse. You've been signing

0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:24.160
<v Speaker 2>contracts that you haven't been reading, haven't you. And she's like, yeah,

0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:27.159
<v Speaker 2>I guess this is a paraphrase, by the way, or

0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:30.800
<v Speaker 2>an imagined conversation. And he said, you signed a contract

0:21:30.800 --> 0:21:35.000
<v Speaker 2>that said that you would not work outside of Share enterprises,

0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:37.679
<v Speaker 2>So you can't record music, you can't be in movies,

0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:41.160
<v Speaker 2>you can't be on TV. And we don't know what's

0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:43.639
<v Speaker 2>going to happen with this because this is essentially an

0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:45.600
<v Speaker 2>ironclag contract.

0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:49.680
<v Speaker 1>Right, which, of course there is no such thing, thankfully,

0:21:49.760 --> 0:21:54.520
<v Speaker 1>because so many entertainers signed bad contracts that they can

0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:57.600
<v Speaker 1>in fact get out of. And that's what happened when

0:21:57.840 --> 0:22:02.240
<v Speaker 1>Shares was like, wait a minute, saying that I can't

0:22:02.280 --> 0:22:06.760
<v Speaker 1>do anything except for make entertainment for a company that

0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:09.720
<v Speaker 1>I owned no part of, and he said yeah, and

0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:11.359
<v Speaker 1>she was like, all right, well, let me ask my

0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:16.719
<v Speaker 1>boyfriend this. Her boyfriend at the time was another music impresario,

0:22:16.840 --> 0:22:19.399
<v Speaker 1>David Geffen, and he said, I'll get you out of that,

0:22:19.400 --> 0:22:20.960
<v Speaker 1>don't worry about it. So he gets her out of

0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:24.000
<v Speaker 1>that contract gets her a two and a half million

0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:27.879
<v Speaker 1>dollar deal with Warner Brothers, which you know, it's a

0:22:27.880 --> 0:22:30.080
<v Speaker 1>lot of money now, but obviously in nineteen the early

0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:34.240
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventies, it's a very big record contract. And that

0:22:35.080 --> 0:22:38.960
<v Speaker 1>would be followed very shortly thereafter by the canceling of

0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:43.200
<v Speaker 1>The Comedy Hour in nineteen seventy four. But Chaer was

0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:45.760
<v Speaker 1>always she still liked Sonny. She wasn't like this guy

0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:48.919
<v Speaker 1>took advantage of me. She was like, you know, I

0:22:48.960 --> 0:22:51.600
<v Speaker 1>really love Sonny. I would have done another show if

0:22:51.600 --> 0:22:53.520
<v Speaker 1>they would have split it fifty to fifty with me.

0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:56.520
<v Speaker 1>He was a terrible husband, but a great mentor and

0:22:56.560 --> 0:22:57.439
<v Speaker 1>a great teacher to me.

0:22:57.840 --> 0:23:00.720
<v Speaker 2>Right, anytime I hear about the Sonny Share show too,

0:23:00.760 --> 0:23:04.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm reminded of that Simpson's little bit where they talk

0:23:04.760 --> 0:23:07.560
<v Speaker 2>about a man who woke up from a coma after

0:23:07.640 --> 0:23:11.600
<v Speaker 2>twenty years and he's being interviewed in his hospital bed

0:23:11.600 --> 0:23:13.720
<v Speaker 2>and he goes, do Sonny and Share still have that

0:23:13.880 --> 0:23:17.040
<v Speaker 2>stupid show? And Kim Brockman goes, no, she won an

0:23:17.080 --> 0:23:20.840
<v Speaker 2>oscar and he's a congressman, and that guy goes good night,

0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:23.919
<v Speaker 2>and like dies. Right, there's some like girls out of

0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:24.520
<v Speaker 2>his mouth.

0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:27.639
<v Speaker 1>Yes, Sonny Bono would become a congressman.

0:23:27.720 --> 0:23:32.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a Republican congressman. No, less was he Yeah, Oh.

0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:36.760
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't remember. So in nineteen seventy five, she got

0:23:36.800 --> 0:23:40.320
<v Speaker 1>her own variety show, just called Share and it was

0:23:40.400 --> 0:23:43.000
<v Speaker 1>sort of like the rest of them, It was not

0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:45.320
<v Speaker 1>as popular. You know, they had a certain chemistry together

0:23:45.760 --> 0:23:47.840
<v Speaker 1>that made them famous, and so they would bring back

0:23:47.880 --> 0:23:50.960
<v Speaker 1>the show, this time not as the Comedy Hour but

0:23:51.080 --> 0:23:54.400
<v Speaker 1>just the Sonny and Share Show. And that one didn't

0:23:54.440 --> 0:23:57.919
<v Speaker 1>last super long either, because by nineteen seventy seven, and

0:23:57.960 --> 0:24:00.440
<v Speaker 1>this was the version that I saw on TV when

0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:05.080
<v Speaker 1>I was but six years old, they broke up professionally

0:24:05.200 --> 0:24:05.600
<v Speaker 1>as well.

0:24:05.760 --> 0:24:07.960
<v Speaker 2>So that was it for her and Sonny Bono from

0:24:07.960 --> 0:24:13.200
<v Speaker 2>that point on, aside from in the public's collective memory, right, Yeah,

0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:16.639
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, she was still carrying out or performing

0:24:16.720 --> 0:24:19.000
<v Speaker 2>like she had a solo career that she was also

0:24:19.040 --> 0:24:21.040
<v Speaker 2>doing all this time while she was doing other stuff

0:24:21.040 --> 0:24:24.919
<v Speaker 2>with Sonny, and it was very successful. Very early on.

0:24:26.160 --> 0:24:31.240
<v Speaker 2>She had her seventh album was in nineteen seventy one.

0:24:31.320 --> 0:24:31.800
<v Speaker 1>She was.

0:24:33.560 --> 0:24:36.520
<v Speaker 2>Twenty four I think at the time, twenty five maybe,

0:24:36.600 --> 0:24:39.960
<v Speaker 2>and she that was her seventh studio album. Initially it

0:24:39.960 --> 0:24:43.440
<v Speaker 2>was entire it was titled Share with a little accent

0:24:43.760 --> 0:24:47.320
<v Speaker 2>over the e, just to make it fancy. But instead

0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:49.520
<v Speaker 2>they're like, no, no, we want to be way more

0:24:49.520 --> 0:24:52.320
<v Speaker 2>offensive than that. Let's name it after the title track,

0:24:52.440 --> 0:24:54.400
<v Speaker 2>Gypsy's tramps and thieves.

0:24:54.680 --> 0:24:57.240
<v Speaker 1>That's right, that's a word that is not used anymore,

0:24:57.280 --> 0:24:59.760
<v Speaker 1>which we learned when we did that episode many many

0:24:59.840 --> 0:25:04.440
<v Speaker 1>years ago. So we're all still learning, everybody. She also

0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:06.640
<v Speaker 1>had a song on there that hasn't aged too well.

0:25:07.000 --> 0:25:11.199
<v Speaker 1>It was called half Breed and it was about it

0:25:11.240 --> 0:25:14.399
<v Speaker 1>was like from the perspective of a half Cherokee woman

0:25:15.320 --> 0:25:20.280
<v Speaker 1>and chair or you know, a faux headdress and performed

0:25:20.280 --> 0:25:23.199
<v Speaker 1>that way and claimed to be of Cherokee descent on

0:25:23.240 --> 0:25:25.480
<v Speaker 1>her mother's side. And it seems like none of that

0:25:25.560 --> 0:25:28.520
<v Speaker 1>is actually true. And I'm sure that stuff Share is not,

0:25:28.680 --> 0:25:31.200
<v Speaker 1>like you know, puts at the top of her CV

0:25:31.400 --> 0:25:31.920
<v Speaker 1>these days.

0:25:32.400 --> 0:25:36.000
<v Speaker 2>No, But interestingly, she still rocked a head dress in

0:25:36.040 --> 0:25:39.800
<v Speaker 2>her Vegas residency in the twenty first century. When did

0:25:39.840 --> 0:25:42.000
<v Speaker 2>she really Yeah, when she would do a medley of

0:25:42.000 --> 0:25:45.640
<v Speaker 2>her hits for that song, she would wear a headdress still,

0:25:46.400 --> 0:25:49.600
<v Speaker 2>so she's still doing half Breed, Yeah, all right, Yeah,

0:25:49.920 --> 0:25:52.439
<v Speaker 2>so I read that somewhere. I didn't see it with

0:25:52.480 --> 0:25:53.760
<v Speaker 2>mine own eyes or anything.

0:25:54.320 --> 0:25:56.520
<v Speaker 1>Well maybe that is at the top of her civ then.

0:25:56.560 --> 0:25:59.800
<v Speaker 2>So it was about this time. Can you imagine, that's

0:25:59.840 --> 0:26:02.560
<v Speaker 2>the number one thing she lists out of her entire career.

0:26:03.080 --> 0:26:09.240
<v Speaker 2>So about this time, early early seventies, she starts becoming

0:26:09.400 --> 0:26:14.239
<v Speaker 2>known for like really wearing just totally revealing clothing, and

0:26:14.359 --> 0:26:17.040
<v Speaker 2>she and Bob Mackie just put it into like overdrive

0:26:17.080 --> 0:26:20.240
<v Speaker 2>and start taking off from there. And one of the

0:26:20.280 --> 0:26:24.199
<v Speaker 2>outfits that she first got wide public notice for was

0:26:24.440 --> 0:26:26.920
<v Speaker 2>her naked dress that she wore to the Met gal

0:26:27.000 --> 0:26:30.800
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen seventy four, and Bob Mackie escorted her and

0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:34.679
<v Speaker 2>it is a naked dress. It's an amazing, beautiful gown

0:26:35.240 --> 0:26:40.480
<v Speaker 2>that seems totally see through but it's not. And it

0:26:40.640 --> 0:26:41.919
<v Speaker 2>was a it was a big deal. It made a

0:26:41.960 --> 0:26:42.920
<v Speaker 2>huge splash.

0:26:43.400 --> 0:26:45.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And if you know, you can't go to the

0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:47.639
<v Speaker 1>Met Gala these days and throw you can throw a

0:26:47.720 --> 0:26:51.600
<v Speaker 1>rock and hit five naked dresses with that one throw.

0:26:51.720 --> 0:26:54.880
<v Speaker 1>But that was I tried to find examples of anyone

0:26:55.000 --> 0:26:58.200
<v Speaker 1>to pioneer that nude look in public before her share

0:26:58.560 --> 0:27:01.000
<v Speaker 1>and I couldn't find any, so I know, Mackie and

0:27:01.080 --> 0:27:03.720
<v Speaker 1>Chair kind of put that that well worn look on

0:27:03.760 --> 0:27:04.120
<v Speaker 1>the map.

0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:08.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, from what I saw, she was widely cited

0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:10.520
<v Speaker 2>as the first one. She also wore it the next

0:27:10.560 --> 0:27:14.880
<v Speaker 2>year on the cover of Time, and that just kind

0:27:14.920 --> 0:27:17.119
<v Speaker 2>of sealed it as an iconic dress. But that was

0:27:17.160 --> 0:27:19.000
<v Speaker 2>far from the last dress. As we'll see. We're gonna

0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:21.440
<v Speaker 2>talk a little bit more about our dresses soon, but first,

0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:24.080
<v Speaker 2>let's take a little side trip over to the Allman

0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:27.199
<v Speaker 2>Brothers band literally and meet up. Yeah, and meet up

0:27:27.200 --> 0:27:31.280
<v Speaker 2>with Greg Alman, one of the founders, and they got

0:27:31.320 --> 0:27:34.240
<v Speaker 2>married apparently within a few days of Sonny and Shar's

0:27:34.240 --> 0:27:38.720
<v Speaker 2>divorce being final. Cher I guess had met Greg Alman

0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:40.560
<v Speaker 2>at some point and was like, let's go get married

0:27:40.560 --> 0:27:42.760
<v Speaker 2>in Vegas, and I think nine days later they were

0:27:42.760 --> 0:27:44.160
<v Speaker 2>married in Vegas.

0:27:44.480 --> 0:27:47.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they had a I mean, her relationship in

0:27:47.880 --> 0:27:50.320
<v Speaker 1>marriage with Greg Alman is as famous as it was

0:27:50.520 --> 0:27:55.280
<v Speaker 1>to Sonny Bono because of I mean, her marriage to

0:27:55.320 --> 0:27:57.960
<v Speaker 1>Sonny was a little boring in comparison, I think, Yeah,

0:27:58.000 --> 0:28:03.320
<v Speaker 1>and I think I think it was either share or

0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:05.479
<v Speaker 1>maybe it was Greg. One of them described their marriage

0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:08.760
<v Speaker 1>as being on LSD at Disneyland, so they had a

0:28:08.800 --> 0:28:13.119
<v Speaker 1>lot of fun. But this was a bad time, I

0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:16.360
<v Speaker 1>mean good time professionally for Greg Almon in the mid seventies,

0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:19.400
<v Speaker 1>but he was really not doing too well with his

0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:24.800
<v Speaker 1>consumption habits. He had heroin issues and cocaine issues and

0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:29.920
<v Speaker 1>alcohol issues, and they had a volatile, I guess four

0:28:30.000 --> 0:28:36.760
<v Speaker 1>or five year run getting back together, remarrying, stuff like that, reconciling.

0:28:37.840 --> 0:28:40.520
<v Speaker 1>So it was sort of an up and down wild marriage,

0:28:40.600 --> 0:28:42.840
<v Speaker 1>rock and roll marriage, which got a lot of press.

0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:47.240
<v Speaker 1>But it also bore her other son, Elijah Blue Almond,

0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:48.840
<v Speaker 1>who was born in nineteen seventy six.

0:28:49.320 --> 0:28:51.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I don't remember if I brought this up,

0:28:51.600 --> 0:28:55.920
<v Speaker 2>and if so rare, but I ran across this somewhere

0:28:55.920 --> 0:28:58.320
<v Speaker 2>and I remembered it when I was reading about Elijah

0:28:58.320 --> 0:29:03.080
<v Speaker 2>Blue Almond. The balloon arch, which you might see at

0:29:03.120 --> 0:29:06.560
<v Speaker 2>like a wedding or something like that, was invented for

0:29:06.640 --> 0:29:12.120
<v Speaker 2>Elijah Blue Almond's third birthday by legendary balloon artist treb Heining.

0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:14.440
<v Speaker 2>The new dress, isn't that amazing?

0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:18.800
<v Speaker 1>The balloon arch, the nude dress, what else? Auto tune

0:29:18.800 --> 0:29:19.400
<v Speaker 1>as we'll see.

0:29:19.480 --> 0:29:22.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, she was a huge pioneer in a

0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:26.760
<v Speaker 2>lot of well Share had a really large pop cultural impact,

0:29:27.480 --> 0:29:29.320
<v Speaker 2>more than she gets credit for, for sure.

0:29:29.960 --> 0:29:33.040
<v Speaker 1>I think so. As I said that marriage was trouble.

0:29:33.400 --> 0:29:36.600
<v Speaker 1>Greg Alman was not much of a father. Elijah Blue

0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:41.000
<v Speaker 1>has had struggles in his life and his health, drug problems.

0:29:41.040 --> 0:29:44.440
<v Speaker 1>I know he struggles with lyme disease and they're very

0:29:44.480 --> 0:29:47.000
<v Speaker 1>sadly still have a troubled He and Chair have a

0:29:47.000 --> 0:29:50.200
<v Speaker 1>troubled relationship. She I remember reading this last year. She

0:29:50.400 --> 0:29:52.720
<v Speaker 1>tried to file or she filed to try and get

0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:56.240
<v Speaker 1>a conservatorship over him just late last year but was

0:29:56.280 --> 0:30:00.160
<v Speaker 1>denied it. And it's just I think anyone who as

0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:03.960
<v Speaker 1>a fan of Shared is really behind her and hoping

0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:06.160
<v Speaker 1>that she and her son can resolve this.

0:30:06.480 --> 0:30:08.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, apparently she went through a really rough patch with

0:30:08.960 --> 0:30:12.200
<v Speaker 2>Chaz as well, but that's kind of been resolved over

0:30:12.240 --> 0:30:14.640
<v Speaker 2>the years, she said in I think a twenty ten

0:30:14.720 --> 0:30:18.200
<v Speaker 2>interview in Vanity Fair. Right. Yeah, so by this time,

0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:21.520
<v Speaker 2>by nineteen seventy eight, she and Greg Alman are about

0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:26.080
<v Speaker 2>to split up for good, and she decides to finally

0:30:26.120 --> 0:30:28.800
<v Speaker 2>just change her legal name to Cher, which is an

0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:32.640
<v Speaker 2>enormous reduction in the number of letters in her full name,

0:30:33.040 --> 0:30:35.920
<v Speaker 2>because at the time her full legal name was Cherylyn

0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:40.080
<v Speaker 2>Sarcasian La Pierre Bono Almon. And she's like, just call

0:30:40.120 --> 0:30:43.400
<v Speaker 2>me Cher from now on, and that's what the law said.

0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:45.320
<v Speaker 2>They stamped it and said, okay, we'll call you Share

0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:45.880
<v Speaker 2>from now on.

0:30:47.240 --> 0:30:49.560
<v Speaker 1>Another thing that Share was very well known for was

0:30:49.600 --> 0:30:53.959
<v Speaker 1>her myriad boyfriend She had over the years, many times,

0:30:54.200 --> 0:30:58.440
<v Speaker 1>including up to two day dating men that were younger

0:30:58.440 --> 0:31:03.000
<v Speaker 1>than her, sometimes much younger than her, but usually famous dudes,

0:31:03.400 --> 0:31:07.040
<v Speaker 1>very high profile relationships. She dated Gene Simmons for a

0:31:07.040 --> 0:31:11.800
<v Speaker 1>couple of years, the bass player from Kiss and more

0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:15.600
<v Speaker 1>than bass player obviously. She dated Val Kilmer. She dated

0:31:15.640 --> 0:31:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Tom Cruise. She dated Eric Stoltz, who played her son

0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:23.640
<v Speaker 1>in the movie Mask, which is a little strange, but yeah,

0:31:23.680 --> 0:31:28.560
<v Speaker 1>she loves loves men and loves dating men.

0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:31.320
<v Speaker 1>She believes in love.

0:31:31.680 --> 0:31:35.800
<v Speaker 2>Right, and she believes in life even afterward too. Yeah.

0:31:35.800 --> 0:31:37.680
<v Speaker 2>A little side thing on Eric Stoltz that I found

0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:41.560
<v Speaker 2>out recently. Apparently he was the original Marty McFly and

0:31:41.640 --> 0:31:42.960
<v Speaker 2>back to the future. Did you know that?

0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:43.640
<v Speaker 1>You didn't know that?

0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:47.120
<v Speaker 2>I'll stop sharing this anecdote immediately, but.

0:31:47.960 --> 0:31:50.400
<v Speaker 1>No, I'm sorry. That was just one of those that

0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:53.200
<v Speaker 1>I thought you would have known, Like you can see

0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:56.120
<v Speaker 1>the like they shot some of the movie with him

0:31:56.160 --> 0:31:57.160
<v Speaker 1>and you can see those scenes.

0:31:57.880 --> 0:32:00.200
<v Speaker 2>I did not know that part. I did know that

0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:03.840
<v Speaker 2>they wanted Michael J. Fox originally, but Family Ties was

0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:05.680
<v Speaker 2>like no, so they went with Eric Stoltson. Like this

0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:08.480
<v Speaker 2>kid is playing this way too seriously. He would not

0:32:08.800 --> 0:32:10.960
<v Speaker 2>goof it up at all. He's too serious of an actor.

0:32:11.240 --> 0:32:13.000
<v Speaker 2>So they were like, all right, we're like a third

0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:15.240
<v Speaker 2>of the way through shooting. We're just gonna bring in

0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:17.480
<v Speaker 2>Michael J. Fox on nights and weekends, which is why

0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:19.240
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the stuff that a lot of the

0:32:19.280 --> 0:32:22.080
<v Speaker 2>scenes Michael J. Fox is in are at night. Said it.

0:32:22.200 --> 0:32:24.920
<v Speaker 1>No, yeah, you should check out some of the scenes.

0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:29.000
<v Speaker 1>It's very brain breaking to be someone of our generation

0:32:29.080 --> 0:32:30.760
<v Speaker 1>and see Eric Stolt's playing Martin mcflyin.

0:32:31.040 --> 0:32:34.320
<v Speaker 2>So what like that scenes that made it into the movie?

0:32:34.360 --> 0:32:38.240
<v Speaker 2>You mean or the outtakes? No? No, no, okay, just.

0:32:38.480 --> 0:32:39.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean they had shot at third of the movie

0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:41.600
<v Speaker 1>and that that exists online.

0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:43.240
<v Speaker 2>I see, I got you. I didn't know if they

0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:45.240
<v Speaker 2>were like this this scene was actually too good. We're

0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:47.720
<v Speaker 2>just gonna pretend like that's Michael J.

0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:52.200
<v Speaker 1>Fox, I gotcha, so like he's got his back turn

0:32:52.280 --> 0:32:52.720
<v Speaker 1>to the camera.

0:32:53.560 --> 0:32:55.080
<v Speaker 2>You can still somehow see his freckle.

0:32:57.040 --> 0:32:59.239
<v Speaker 1>In the eighties is when Chaer finally broke out as

0:32:59.240 --> 0:33:02.560
<v Speaker 1>an actor. This is something that or actually, should we

0:33:02.560 --> 0:33:03.200
<v Speaker 1>take a break there?

0:33:03.320 --> 0:33:11.880
<v Speaker 2>Or no, yeah, we might as well.

0:33:12.560 --> 0:33:15.400
<v Speaker 1>All right, we'll leave a cliffhanger though, and when we

0:33:15.440 --> 0:33:17.680
<v Speaker 1>come back, we'll learn to see if Share ever acted again.

0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:34.880
<v Speaker 1>Right after this, we loss.

0:33:34.520 --> 0:33:40.920
<v Speaker 2>So much stuff from Josh and shook stuff. Fui.

0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:45.960
<v Speaker 1>All right, We've got to the bottom of that one too.

0:33:45.960 --> 0:33:49.080
<v Speaker 1>Share did finally get into acting in a genuine way

0:33:49.080 --> 0:33:52.959
<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen eighties. She was on Broadway and The

0:33:54.880 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 1>I Guess In the same year. In nineteen eighty two,

0:33:56.680 --> 0:33:58.920
<v Speaker 1>Robert Altman did a Broadway version of Come Back to

0:33:58.960 --> 0:34:01.680
<v Speaker 1>the Five and Dime Jimmy Jimmy Dean and a Movie.

0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:05.120
<v Speaker 1>She was in the movie and won a Golden Globe

0:34:05.120 --> 0:34:05.520
<v Speaker 1>for that part.

0:34:05.560 --> 0:34:08.680
<v Speaker 2>Even did you know that that play originally premiered at

0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:14.440
<v Speaker 2>the Alliance Theater in Atlanta before Broadway. Amazing, So that

0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:18.360
<v Speaker 2>was a big breakthrough for her, that movie in particular,

0:34:18.400 --> 0:34:20.359
<v Speaker 2>but also Broadway. I mean, it's like a pretty big

0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:23.520
<v Speaker 2>deal to go act on stage. There's a big difference

0:34:23.560 --> 0:34:26.400
<v Speaker 2>between being in the hands of an editor and being

0:34:26.480 --> 0:34:28.880
<v Speaker 2>like live on stage. So that was a pretty pretty

0:34:28.880 --> 0:34:33.480
<v Speaker 2>big way to kind of debut as like a genuine actor.

0:34:33.760 --> 0:34:36.080
<v Speaker 2>Because one thing, we should say, that Chastity movie that

0:34:36.200 --> 0:34:39.480
<v Speaker 2>she first tried in nineteen sixty nine, that was a drama.

0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:42.360
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't a comedy. It was like a straight up drama,

0:34:42.360 --> 0:34:44.759
<v Speaker 2>and people were just like, no, we're not accepting this.

0:34:45.480 --> 0:34:47.480
<v Speaker 2>So she kept at it. She was in Come Back

0:34:47.480 --> 0:34:49.960
<v Speaker 2>to the Five and Don Jimmy Dean, Jimmy Dean. She

0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:54.920
<v Speaker 2>I think the next year played the lesbian roommate of

0:34:55.160 --> 0:35:00.040
<v Speaker 2>Meryl Streep, well, Meryl Streep's character in Silkwood, and she

0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:02.600
<v Speaker 2>actually cites that as one of the one of the

0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:06.480
<v Speaker 2>watershed moments that started to attract like a following for

0:35:06.560 --> 0:35:09.800
<v Speaker 2>her from the gay community. That kind of eventually became,

0:35:10.160 --> 0:35:12.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, her gay icon ship.

0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:15.640
<v Speaker 1>Right. Yeah, she won, by the way, a Golden She

0:35:15.680 --> 0:35:16.719
<v Speaker 1>won the Golden Globe for that.

0:35:17.000 --> 0:35:20.319
<v Speaker 2>Okay, great, and then she starred in Mask very she

0:35:20.520 --> 0:35:22.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, she was amazing in Mask. That movie was

0:35:22.960 --> 0:35:26.040
<v Speaker 2>so good, if I remember correct. I haven't seen it

0:35:26.040 --> 0:35:27.719
<v Speaker 2>in a long time, but I just can't see that

0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:30.640
<v Speaker 2>not being good, Like that part where he teaches his

0:35:31.120 --> 0:35:34.879
<v Speaker 2>blind girlfriend, like what colors are her through touch? What

0:35:34.920 --> 0:35:38.920
<v Speaker 2>was that? Laura dern Okay, so Chaer is like her

0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:45.440
<v Speaker 2>Eric Stoltz's protective biker mom and just the whole movie

0:35:45.600 --> 0:35:47.720
<v Speaker 2>is just so great. She does a really great job

0:35:48.239 --> 0:35:51.319
<v Speaker 2>and she won the Best Actress Award at can for

0:35:51.400 --> 0:35:54.520
<v Speaker 2>her role in Mask. So she was expecting to at

0:35:54.600 --> 0:35:58.520
<v Speaker 2>least be nominated for an OSCAR for Best Actress. Nothing.

0:35:59.040 --> 0:36:02.480
<v Speaker 2>It was a a straight up snub, like Hollywood was

0:36:02.520 --> 0:36:05.640
<v Speaker 2>sending a message to her, like a nice tribe, but

0:36:05.760 --> 0:36:08.480
<v Speaker 2>to stay out of the acting business. We've got this.

0:36:08.880 --> 0:36:10.520
<v Speaker 2>We can't really take you seriously.

0:36:11.360 --> 0:36:13.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was a big thumb in the eye. So

0:36:14.239 --> 0:36:19.720
<v Speaker 1>Bob Mackie designed her famous revenge gown gowned gown, which

0:36:19.840 --> 0:36:21.959
<v Speaker 1>was this. It was the one where she had the big,

0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:25.759
<v Speaker 1>huge plume of black feathers all over her head kind

0:36:25.760 --> 0:36:28.120
<v Speaker 1>of like a headdress or I guess it was a

0:36:28.120 --> 0:36:30.279
<v Speaker 1>head dress and just like you know, not a Native

0:36:30.280 --> 0:36:33.719
<v Speaker 1>American kind of headdress. And it was it was basically

0:36:33.760 --> 0:36:34.840
<v Speaker 1>like hey, everybody look at me.

0:36:35.560 --> 0:36:37.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not Don Michi? Who would win?

0:36:38.880 --> 0:36:39.279
<v Speaker 1>Who won?

0:36:39.560 --> 0:36:42.160
<v Speaker 2>Don Amici? He won for Cocoon. She was presenting the

0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:43.600
<v Speaker 2>Best Supporting Actor award.

0:36:44.680 --> 0:36:47.799
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, I thought you met won her award. No,

0:36:48.719 --> 0:36:54.839
<v Speaker 1>I think that was Geraldine Page maybe in What Well.

0:36:54.920 --> 0:36:56.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if Share got nominated or would have

0:36:58.239 --> 0:37:00.160
<v Speaker 1>been nominated. I guess she would have been nominated for

0:37:00.239 --> 0:37:03.040
<v Speaker 1>Best Actress or would have been a Best Supporting for Masks.

0:37:03.120 --> 0:37:05.080
<v Speaker 2>I think best Actress that's what she won and.

0:37:05.080 --> 0:37:09.240
<v Speaker 1>Can okay, So, I think Geraldine Page won Best Actress

0:37:09.920 --> 0:37:14.240
<v Speaker 1>in What. Can't remember the name of the movie.

0:37:14.320 --> 0:37:16.560
<v Speaker 2>What was it about? Can you give a brief synopsis?

0:37:17.120 --> 0:37:19.960
<v Speaker 1>No, I can't remember. But that was also the same

0:37:20.040 --> 0:37:22.000
<v Speaker 1>year of The Color Purple. So I think there were

0:37:22.480 --> 0:37:25.359
<v Speaker 1>three or four actresses nominated in both categories for that

0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:29.600
<v Speaker 1>and Jessica Lang. Like you know, it's always tough to

0:37:29.600 --> 0:37:31.440
<v Speaker 1>to say, like, well, this person deserved it more than

0:37:31.480 --> 0:37:33.960
<v Speaker 1>that person, but hey, that's how the Oscars go. Seron

0:37:33.960 --> 0:37:37.480
<v Speaker 1>should have been nominated at least, But she would win

0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:41.640
<v Speaker 1>the next year for Moonstruck, which is one of my

0:37:41.680 --> 0:37:42.360
<v Speaker 1>favorite movies.

0:37:42.400 --> 0:37:43.279
<v Speaker 2>I've never seen it.

0:37:44.160 --> 0:37:45.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, it's you'd love it.

0:37:45.840 --> 0:37:47.080
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'll take your word for.

0:37:47.560 --> 0:37:51.640
<v Speaker 1>Vintage Nicholas Cage. Also, I wanted to mention too, in

0:37:51.640 --> 0:37:57.080
<v Speaker 1>case anyone is curious, I did I got I rewatched Masked? Masked?

0:37:58.800 --> 0:38:02.479
<v Speaker 1>What is wrong with me? I'm just saying everything slightly wrong.

0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:06.440
<v Speaker 2>Was it masked? James or Jim Carrey, James Carey?

0:38:06.760 --> 0:38:07.600
<v Speaker 1>That was the mask?

0:38:07.719 --> 0:38:09.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay, gotcha? So what's masked?

0:38:10.239 --> 0:38:12.560
<v Speaker 1>There is no such thing? Again, there probably is, But

0:38:13.360 --> 0:38:17.279
<v Speaker 1>mask I rewatched a few years ago because that was

0:38:17.280 --> 0:38:20.959
<v Speaker 1>a movie crush movie. It was Tig Nataro's pick.

0:38:21.040 --> 0:38:23.919
<v Speaker 2>Oh nice, don't. I don't blame Tig for that at all.

0:38:24.560 --> 0:38:26.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it's fun to go back and rewatch that

0:38:26.280 --> 0:38:28.239
<v Speaker 1>because that was an HBO special for me. I watched

0:38:28.239 --> 0:38:29.719
<v Speaker 1>it quite a few times back in the day.

0:38:29.800 --> 0:38:30.960
<v Speaker 2>So did it hold up?

0:38:31.680 --> 0:38:33.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Really good? Good movie.

0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:37.160
<v Speaker 2>Great. So the eighties were like really kind of big

0:38:37.200 --> 0:38:41.000
<v Speaker 2>for share. And remember she made her debut and was

0:38:41.120 --> 0:38:43.480
<v Speaker 2>releasing hits and had a hit TV show in the

0:38:43.520 --> 0:38:48.400
<v Speaker 2>early seventies, not even mid seventies. By the mid eighties

0:38:48.440 --> 0:38:50.840
<v Speaker 2>and late eighties, it was like she had a brand

0:38:50.880 --> 0:38:54.080
<v Speaker 2>new career. She'd win an oscar, she won a Best

0:38:54.120 --> 0:38:58.400
<v Speaker 2>Actress at cann She was becoming an acclaimed actress. And

0:38:58.440 --> 0:39:02.440
<v Speaker 2>then she starts releasing albums again, and two albums in

0:39:02.480 --> 0:39:05.600
<v Speaker 2>two years or three years, nineteen eighty seven and nineteen

0:39:05.640 --> 0:39:08.319
<v Speaker 2>eighty nine, and the nineteen eighty nine went Hard as

0:39:08.360 --> 0:39:11.680
<v Speaker 2>Stone that went triple platinum, and the reason, one of

0:39:11.719 --> 0:39:14.560
<v Speaker 2>the big reasons that went triple platinum was for her.

0:39:14.680 --> 0:39:15.800
<v Speaker 2>If I could turn back.

0:39:15.719 --> 0:39:18.799
<v Speaker 1>Time song, Yeah, I've been singing that all day and

0:39:18.840 --> 0:39:21.920
<v Speaker 1>I didn't even watch it, just from reading those words

0:39:22.040 --> 0:39:23.279
<v Speaker 1>right and stuck in my head.

0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:25.920
<v Speaker 2>I've got the thing I've been doing the whole time

0:39:26.040 --> 0:39:30.440
<v Speaker 2>with that, if I could turn back to it's I

0:39:30.480 --> 0:39:34.040
<v Speaker 2>saw Jack do it on Will and Grace when she

0:39:34.120 --> 0:39:36.640
<v Speaker 2>did a cameo on it, and he thought she she

0:39:36.840 --> 0:39:39.200
<v Speaker 2>was like a drag queen, but it was the real

0:39:39.280 --> 0:39:42.279
<v Speaker 2>share and he was telling her how to do it right,

0:39:42.360 --> 0:39:44.319
<v Speaker 2>and she slaps him and says, snap out of it.

0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:47.319
<v Speaker 1>Why was he doing his voice like that?

0:39:47.360 --> 0:39:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Though he saw her and like they had like a

0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:53.760
<v Speaker 2>turn back time off and he was correcting her because

0:39:53.800 --> 0:39:56.480
<v Speaker 2>he thought he thought she was she was a sharre impersonator.

0:39:57.520 --> 0:40:01.080
<v Speaker 2>It's a pretty great you haven't seen that scene? It's great? Yeah?

0:40:01.160 --> 0:40:03.360
<v Speaker 2>You know what's Jack from Will and Grace?

0:40:03.680 --> 0:40:06.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh? Does Sean Hayes.

0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:09.360
<v Speaker 2>Right, best known for his role on SmartLess the podcast.

0:40:09.400 --> 0:40:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the movie career would continue if I can turn

0:40:15.160 --> 0:40:18.759
<v Speaker 1>Bactime was a huge hit. She put out Mermaids in

0:40:18.800 --> 0:40:21.480
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety that had another hit song in it, the

0:40:21.600 --> 0:40:26.279
<v Speaker 1>Shoop Shoop song It's in his Kiss. Sonny, like you said,

0:40:26.320 --> 0:40:29.200
<v Speaker 1>would very tragically die in a skiing accident in ninety eight,

0:40:29.920 --> 0:40:33.080
<v Speaker 1>But that was also the year of her biggest hit ever,

0:40:34.080 --> 0:40:36.320
<v Speaker 1>the song that you joked about with the auto tune,

0:40:36.400 --> 0:40:40.520
<v Speaker 1>which was Believe of the same album Believe, and it

0:40:40.640 --> 0:40:46.000
<v Speaker 1>was a quadruple platinum number one hit. The album was

0:40:46.080 --> 0:40:48.640
<v Speaker 1>quadruple platinum, and that song was number one for four weeks.

0:40:48.719 --> 0:40:50.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not only that, we talked about this in the

0:40:50.920 --> 0:40:56.200
<v Speaker 2>auto Tune episode. That was the first use of auto

0:40:56.239 --> 0:40:59.200
<v Speaker 2>tune in that way. Up to that point, it had

0:40:59.280 --> 0:41:02.600
<v Speaker 2>just been used to kind of just gently correct people's vocals.

0:41:03.040 --> 0:41:06.279
<v Speaker 2>That's what it was originally created for. And her producer

0:41:06.400 --> 0:41:08.520
<v Speaker 2>Mark Taylor was like, no, we're turning that thing up

0:41:08.560 --> 0:41:11.560
<v Speaker 2>to eleven to see what happens. And so this is

0:41:11.600 --> 0:41:14.600
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety eight, right. She had her first career in

0:41:14.600 --> 0:41:17.040
<v Speaker 2>the seventies, second career in the eighties, she's kind of

0:41:17.040 --> 0:41:19.000
<v Speaker 2>gone off and just been out of the limelight for

0:41:19.080 --> 0:41:24.200
<v Speaker 2>a good decade and she has this idea to record

0:41:24.239 --> 0:41:27.040
<v Speaker 2>this album and Warner Brothers in America was like, nah,

0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:29.600
<v Speaker 2>we don't think so, We're not one hundred percent you're

0:41:29.600 --> 0:41:32.440
<v Speaker 2>going to sell any copies. So, just like with the

0:41:32.520 --> 0:41:35.800
<v Speaker 2>Rolling Stones bringing her to England and saying like hey, everybody,

0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:38.840
<v Speaker 2>check these people out, and that helping her get her boost.

0:41:39.239 --> 0:41:44.040
<v Speaker 2>She went to her British label, Warner Brothers UK, and

0:41:44.160 --> 0:41:47.440
<v Speaker 2>they agreed to release it. So Warner Brothers America turned

0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:52.640
<v Speaker 2>down that album and luckily the UK label agreed and

0:41:52.840 --> 0:41:56.400
<v Speaker 2>it had not only just that huge impact on her career,

0:41:56.719 --> 0:41:59.719
<v Speaker 2>but also the fact that used auto tune. It just

0:41:59.760 --> 0:42:00.799
<v Speaker 2>took off from there.

0:42:02.080 --> 0:42:05.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was huge and you know, change music for

0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:07.960
<v Speaker 1>a little while. It's I don't think it's a it's

0:42:08.000 --> 0:42:10.560
<v Speaker 1>a thing that sort of rooted in time. Now. I

0:42:10.560 --> 0:42:12.239
<v Speaker 1>think a lot of people were worried, like, oh no,

0:42:12.360 --> 0:42:15.080
<v Speaker 1>this is going to change music forever, and it was

0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:19.239
<v Speaker 1>just sort of a oh, what's the word I'm looking for,

0:42:21.719 --> 0:42:23.759
<v Speaker 1>just a music trick that was fashionable for a little while.

0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:27.160
<v Speaker 2>I guess, yeah, a long while. I would say, I mean,

0:42:27.200 --> 0:42:30.760
<v Speaker 2>this is like a good people still use that stuff,

0:42:30.760 --> 0:42:32.839
<v Speaker 2>and not just in rap anymore. Right, And it's been

0:42:33.280 --> 0:42:35.520
<v Speaker 2>a quarter century that people have been doing that.

0:42:36.320 --> 0:42:37.080
<v Speaker 1>Is it still a thing?

0:42:37.239 --> 0:42:39.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, it is still a thing. It's becoming, like

0:42:39.920 --> 0:42:42.960
<v Speaker 2>you said, less and less and less. I think everybody's like,

0:42:43.000 --> 0:42:45.040
<v Speaker 2>we got to come up with something besides trap music

0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:48.760
<v Speaker 2>now because it's just been done too long, too many times.

0:42:49.040 --> 0:42:53.000
<v Speaker 2>But I saw an interview with Cher you said Jay

0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:55.600
<v Speaker 2>Z once came up to her and thanked her. He said,

0:42:55.880 --> 0:42:58.200
<v Speaker 2>a lot of my friends who don't have very good

0:42:58.280 --> 0:43:02.680
<v Speaker 2>voices have career thanks to you in auto tune. So

0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:05.040
<v Speaker 2>I think that's a reason why it's stuck around for

0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:08.439
<v Speaker 2>a quarter century because it lets producers say like, hey,

0:43:08.560 --> 0:43:11.160
<v Speaker 2>you're terrible at this, we can make that right, Just

0:43:11.200 --> 0:43:13.359
<v Speaker 2>go out there and be the image that we want

0:43:13.400 --> 0:43:13.760
<v Speaker 2>to see.

0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:17.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, one word you've said a few times in

0:43:17.800 --> 0:43:22.080
<v Speaker 1>describing that as decades, and I'm not talking about her perfume,

0:43:23.160 --> 0:43:27.319
<v Speaker 1>but her perfume is named decades because the coolest fact

0:43:27.320 --> 0:43:30.120
<v Speaker 1>about Share probably is that she's only solo artist in

0:43:30.200 --> 0:43:36.080
<v Speaker 1>music history to have hits in seven different decades, which

0:43:36.120 --> 0:43:38.960
<v Speaker 1>is just unbelievable. And it's something I mean that's why

0:43:38.960 --> 0:43:42.160
<v Speaker 1>she called her perfume that because something she's really proud

0:43:42.239 --> 0:43:45.319
<v Speaker 1>of is her staying power. I know she's been asked

0:43:45.320 --> 0:43:48.600
<v Speaker 1>in interviews about like, you know who these days, is

0:43:48.600 --> 0:43:52.239
<v Speaker 1>it Lady Gaga or who's the next share who's comparable

0:43:52.280 --> 0:43:57.319
<v Speaker 1>to you? And she wasn't being like nobody, honey, But

0:43:57.440 --> 0:43:59.880
<v Speaker 1>her response was just sort of like, well, you know,

0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:03.040
<v Speaker 1>are all great, but like the thing I'm most proud of,

0:44:03.040 --> 0:44:08.320
<v Speaker 1>and I'm of course paraphrasing, is the decades, seven decades

0:44:08.360 --> 0:44:11.360
<v Speaker 1>of hits and like, you know, not saying there's no

0:44:11.360 --> 0:44:14.319
<v Speaker 1>one comparable, but there's kind of no one comparable, and

0:44:14.440 --> 0:44:16.960
<v Speaker 1>like kind of a call me in forty years kind

0:44:17.000 --> 0:44:19.240
<v Speaker 1>of thing and let's see where they're at. And not again,

0:44:19.320 --> 0:44:21.160
<v Speaker 1>she wasn't being a jerk. She's just being very matter

0:44:21.200 --> 0:44:24.600
<v Speaker 1>of fact about what a big accomplishment that is for her.

0:44:24.600 --> 0:44:25.359
<v Speaker 1>And I don't blame her.

0:44:25.360 --> 0:44:29.440
<v Speaker 2>For sure. She's still releasing albums. I mentioned a Vegas

0:44:29.440 --> 0:44:32.080
<v Speaker 2>residency two thousand and eight to twenty eleven. She was

0:44:32.120 --> 0:44:38.480
<v Speaker 2>working Caesar's Palace. She released album in twenty thirteen. It

0:44:38.520 --> 0:44:41.320
<v Speaker 2>was a dance album. I think the whole thing was

0:44:41.360 --> 0:44:43.560
<v Speaker 2>a dance album that kind of made it different from

0:44:43.640 --> 0:44:46.960
<v Speaker 2>some of all the rest of her albums. She released

0:44:46.960 --> 0:44:48.799
<v Speaker 2>a Christmas album last year.

0:44:49.440 --> 0:44:50.520
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that. I got to hear that.

0:44:50.640 --> 0:44:56.080
<v Speaker 2>It's it's unlistenable at least the single is. It's bad man,

0:44:56.200 --> 0:44:57.920
<v Speaker 2>DJ play a Christmas.

0:44:57.440 --> 0:44:59.719
<v Speaker 1>Song, it's not all.

0:45:00.040 --> 0:45:01.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't like it. And I like Sharon, I

0:45:01.880 --> 0:45:04.040
<v Speaker 2>like her work, but I'm not a fan of that song.

0:45:04.080 --> 0:45:06.359
<v Speaker 2>And you like Christmas music, it does, yes, I think

0:45:06.360 --> 0:45:09.520
<v Speaker 2>that's why I don't like that song. But yeah, yeah,

0:45:09.719 --> 0:45:13.120
<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's odd. It's definitely worth listening to, but

0:45:13.200 --> 0:45:15.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't think you're gonna make it through the whole thing.

0:45:15.920 --> 0:45:17.200
<v Speaker 1>Okay, through that whole song.

0:45:17.840 --> 0:45:21.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, if you were on ecstasy and acid

0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:23.719
<v Speaker 2>and at a club, you'd probably be like, this is

0:45:23.719 --> 0:45:26.920
<v Speaker 2>pretty good. But if you're just sitting there listening to

0:45:26.960 --> 0:45:29.920
<v Speaker 2>it during a work day, yeah, I don't think you're

0:45:29.960 --> 0:45:31.120
<v Speaker 2>gonna like it very much.

0:45:31.800 --> 0:45:34.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, while you're working at the Gap at the mall right,

0:45:35.280 --> 0:45:39.480
<v Speaker 1>please cut not again. I worked at the Gap during Christmas.

0:45:39.680 --> 0:45:41.160
<v Speaker 1>That's the only time I worked there was for like

0:45:41.200 --> 0:45:45.280
<v Speaker 1>a month. But that Christmas mix got so into my brain,

0:45:45.320 --> 0:45:48.520
<v Speaker 1>and the one that really stands out Wash Sanna's got

0:45:48.520 --> 0:45:50.799
<v Speaker 1>a brand new bag. The James Taylor win.

0:45:51.280 --> 0:45:52.600
<v Speaker 2>James Taylor, James Brown.

0:45:53.360 --> 0:45:55.640
<v Speaker 1>Did I say, James Taylor, what is wrong with me?

0:45:56.960 --> 0:46:00.319
<v Speaker 1>You know? James Taylor. Yeah, it's got to got a

0:46:00.320 --> 0:46:06.440
<v Speaker 1>brand new bags. Oh man, I'm just off my game today.

0:46:07.040 --> 0:46:08.600
<v Speaker 1>That's pretty funny, though I'm not gonna.

0:46:08.360 --> 0:46:10.439
<v Speaker 2>Be still charming as ever, though, I'll tell you.

0:46:10.320 --> 0:46:11.279
<v Speaker 1>That I appreciate it.

0:46:11.600 --> 0:46:13.880
<v Speaker 2>Like Warren Baty, you just need auto tune for your

0:46:13.880 --> 0:46:15.160
<v Speaker 2>brain for this episode.

0:46:15.320 --> 0:46:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's exactly what I need. Share is but a

0:46:18.480 --> 0:46:21.239
<v Speaker 1>Tony away from an egot. I I'm not sure if

0:46:21.239 --> 0:46:24.200
<v Speaker 1>there are any plans to get her one. To me,

0:46:24.239 --> 0:46:28.000
<v Speaker 1>they should have given her one just for the musical

0:46:28.080 --> 0:46:30.759
<v Speaker 1>The Share Show, which was on Broadway and did win

0:46:30.840 --> 0:46:33.600
<v Speaker 1>Tony's but like, just throw a Tony man, give her

0:46:33.600 --> 0:46:34.120
<v Speaker 1>that egot.

0:46:34.239 --> 0:46:36.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. One of the things. So we talked about her

0:46:36.320 --> 0:46:40.800
<v Speaker 2>being a gay icon. She did an interview with Pride

0:46:40.880 --> 0:46:44.040
<v Speaker 2>soource dot com and they were asking her about you

0:46:44.080 --> 0:46:47.040
<v Speaker 2>know how how that happened, and she was saying, like,

0:46:47.080 --> 0:46:49.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, gay men are very loyal, and she said

0:46:49.120 --> 0:46:52.239
<v Speaker 2>that come back to The five and dime when it premiered,

0:46:52.680 --> 0:46:54.640
<v Speaker 2>like it had a big response initially and then it

0:46:54.719 --> 0:46:58.799
<v Speaker 2>just dropped off. But yes, but the gay community had

0:46:58.800 --> 0:47:01.440
<v Speaker 2>already discovered and loved Share and she said they just

0:47:01.480 --> 0:47:04.120
<v Speaker 2>basically came out and supported the show and kept it

0:47:04.160 --> 0:47:07.280
<v Speaker 2>going long enough to develop into larger and larger following,

0:47:07.640 --> 0:47:09.480
<v Speaker 2>and that had it not been for the gay community,

0:47:09.480 --> 0:47:11.400
<v Speaker 2>it would have just been it would have been canceled

0:47:11.480 --> 0:47:14.880
<v Speaker 2>very quickly after debuting, and it didn't. And she's like,

0:47:14.920 --> 0:47:18.600
<v Speaker 2>that's that's just the kind of support that not just she,

0:47:19.239 --> 0:47:22.400
<v Speaker 2>but anybody that is an icon in the gay community

0:47:22.480 --> 0:47:25.439
<v Speaker 2>can expect. Yeah, they're just very loyal and supportive, even

0:47:25.480 --> 0:47:27.440
<v Speaker 2>if what you're doing is not that great. And I

0:47:27.560 --> 0:47:31.640
<v Speaker 2>read that the Share show is essentially being supported by

0:47:31.640 --> 0:47:34.520
<v Speaker 2>the gay community too, that it's not super good.

0:47:35.480 --> 0:47:37.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I haven't heard that, And of course that's the

0:47:38.520 --> 0:47:42.399
<v Speaker 1>full spectrum of the LGBTQ community. Because of her work

0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:45.920
<v Speaker 1>with trans writes. You know, she even admits having a

0:47:45.960 --> 0:47:51.440
<v Speaker 1>hard time when initially Chaz came out as gay and

0:47:51.480 --> 0:47:54.280
<v Speaker 1>then later transitioned. But you know, they're a tight family

0:47:54.320 --> 0:47:56.480
<v Speaker 1>and they worked through it, and she has been a

0:47:57.160 --> 0:47:59.880
<v Speaker 1>supporter even though it she just had to wrap her

0:47:59.880 --> 0:48:02.640
<v Speaker 1>head around it. I know that she got her first

0:48:02.680 --> 0:48:06.640
<v Speaker 1>experience with the gay community when she was twelve. From

0:48:06.680 --> 0:48:09.400
<v Speaker 1>this article I read, she said told a very cute story.

0:48:09.480 --> 0:48:11.560
<v Speaker 1>She said, I came home from school one day there

0:48:11.560 --> 0:48:13.799
<v Speaker 1>were these two guys in our living room talking to

0:48:13.840 --> 0:48:15.759
<v Speaker 1>my mom and her best friend, and they were so

0:48:15.880 --> 0:48:19.640
<v Speaker 1>happy and excited about everything they were talking about, so animated,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought, these guys are so much more fun

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<v Speaker 1>than the regular men who come over to visit. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know they were gay. I just thought these guys

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<v Speaker 1>are great, and it all started from them.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that story. It's a great Anne.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's really good.

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<v Speaker 2>She also is a supporter of veterans. She's called into

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<v Speaker 2>c SPAN at least two times to promote her help

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<v Speaker 2>for I think with inserts into helmets for soldiers in

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<v Speaker 2>the Iraq War, and she co founded a charity called

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<v Speaker 2>Free the Wild that relocates captive zoo animals to like

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<v Speaker 2>actual good habitats.

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<v Speaker 1>That's awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's I mean, she's flirting with dollihood, not quite,

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<v Speaker 2>but she's really close. I mean, she's like a good

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<v Speaker 2>she's a cool person. Good person.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess. Uh. Look for episodes on Barber Streiss

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<v Speaker 1>In and Judy Garland. Yeah, in the next couple of years.

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<v Speaker 2>Were you go, we're going to become gay icons.

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<v Speaker 1>If we keep this up, that should round it out. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope so.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. If you want to know more about share, just

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<v Speaker 2>go watch some videos, listen to some songs, read some articles,

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<v Speaker 2>go see a Broadway play about her, whatever you want

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<v Speaker 2>to do. There's plenty to take in. And since I

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<v Speaker 2>said that it's time for listener mail, I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Going to call this freaking follow up. Hey, guys, back

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<v Speaker 1>in the day, when there were payphones, the operator could

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<v Speaker 1>actually give you back your dime and later a quorterer

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<v Speaker 1>by a tone if something went wrong. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>earliest hacks involved getting back your dime without an operator

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<v Speaker 1>and usually many more dimes than just yours, by slowly

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<v Speaker 1>controlling the return from dialing the number nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow man, kids, Back in the day.

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<v Speaker 1>As you return the dial, money would come out. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So it was on a dial phone and depending on

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<v Speaker 1>when the service, depending on when the service people had

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<v Speaker 1>last collected from that phone. I'm not sure I read

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<v Speaker 1>that right, but I think you get the picture. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you can get quite a lot of money this way.

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<v Speaker 1>I refuse to answer how I know this, but a

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<v Speaker 1>person could pay for train fare to the suburbs from

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<v Speaker 1>Grand Central by going to several phone booths in a row.

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<v Speaker 1>That is from Danielle last name redacted.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice. Thanks a lot, Danielle. It's a great anecdote. I

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<v Speaker 2>love that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck me too.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. If you want to be like Danielle and give

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<v Speaker 2>us a great anecdote about something we talked about, you

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<v Speaker 2>can guess we love that kind of stuff. You can

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