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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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Speaker 2: Chuck and Jerry's here too, And this is stuff you

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Speaker 2: should know. Stuff you should know.

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Speaker 1: Is that your auto tune?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 1: I told you turn that off?

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Speaker 2: It's stuck on on. It's stuck on.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, Yeah, it's And this wasn't even intentional, but here

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Speaker 1: we are doing another biography of another gay icon.

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Speaker 2: Another Well, she's not gay, she's an icon of the

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Speaker 2: gay community.

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Speaker 1: Chuck, Well, that's what I meant.

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Speaker 2: I know. Yeah, I'm just being contrarian already. Yeah, I know,

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Speaker 2: I'm really feeling it. I'm full of pee and vinegar today.

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Speaker 1: Oh we say P and V at our house for

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Speaker 1: our dog Gibson. He's full of P and V all

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Speaker 2: That's awesome. How's he doing.

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Speaker 1: He's good. He's a lot to handle, but he's an

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Speaker 1: awesome sweet boy.

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Speaker 2: He's got to be pretty big by now. His paws

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Speaker 2: were huge as a puppy. He is.

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Speaker 1: He's pretty large. I mean he's a full, full, full grown.

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Speaker 2: Doggie like Clifford large.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, he's not oversized, but he's a big boy.

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Speaker 2: Well, shout out to Gibson and shout out to Share.

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Speaker 2: We're doing an entire episode on right now.

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Speaker 1: As you said, do you mean Sherilyn Sarkisian?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I do. I do. And when I saw that,

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Speaker 2: I was like, I knew she was Armenian. I never

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Speaker 2: thought about it up until this moment, but I just

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Speaker 2: knew she was Armenian in heritage.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean I think one thing Share sort

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Speaker 1: of played with over the years was some kind of

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Speaker 1: ambiguous ethnicity.

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Speaker 2: That's one way you could put it.

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Speaker 1: Sure, But yeah, she's a Her father, John Paul Sarchizian,

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Speaker 1: was Armenian. He was a horse breeder and a truck

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Speaker 1: her mother before Chare was a year old, which would

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Speaker 1: have been nineteen forty seven, because cher was born in

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Speaker 2: That's right, you were studying me. Yeah, I read Chuck

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Speaker 2: that her mother, Georgia, and her father, John Paul, got

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Speaker 2: married two more times, so they were married a total

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Speaker 2: of three times.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think her mother, Georgia Holt, who was

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Speaker 1: an actress, she was married like eight times.

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Speaker 2: Eight times from what I saw. Yeah, I think Georgie's

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Speaker 2: and so they had a very share had a very

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Speaker 2: interesting upbringing, and I had never seen it compared to Mermaids,

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Speaker 2: but it really strikes me from some of the interviews

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Speaker 2: and articles I've read about her that her upbringing was

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Speaker 2: a lot like Winona Ryder's upbringing.

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Speaker 1: And Mates, which is a movie Share was in in

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Speaker 1: case you're wondering, Well, right, I was even brought up.

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Speaker 2: But man, that movie is so good. I saw it

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Speaker 2: for the first time, just like last year, and it

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Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, Cher is one of my favorite actors.

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Speaker 1: When I look through her filmography. Mm hmm, it's just

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Speaker 1: like it's a murderer's row of great parts and great films.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, and we'll talk about those. Apparently, as

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Speaker 2: it turns out, she wanted to be a performer from

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Speaker 2: performer like Dumbo. Yeah, and she actually kind of put

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Speaker 2: love precocious kids stories like this. She put on a

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Speaker 1: I know. That's a great story. And just a few

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Speaker 1: years after that, Warren Baty would be sleeping with her.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Warren Beatty had a long history of dating

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Speaker 2: Without having to kill al or something the guy who

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Speaker 1: They very famously, she was driving in Hollywood when she

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Speaker 2: I know that was back then when you could just

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Speaker 1: Like come on right exactly.

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Speaker 2: So Share dropped out of high school. Not a lot

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Speaker 2: a much bigger impact on her life than even Warren Batty,

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Speaker 2: a guy named Salvatore Bono, better known as Sonny Bono.

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Speaker 2: He was twelve years older than her, rather than just

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Speaker 2: their relationship was platonic at first. That she had moved

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Speaker 2: I think, although it wasn't legal for another seven for

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she was eighteen when they got sort of fake

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Speaker 1: like you said, in nineteen sixty nine, and Sonny was

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Speaker 1: working for music impresario Phil Spector at the time, who

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Speaker 1: was like, Hey, this kid you got has got an

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Speaker 1: outstanding voice. Also love Shehar's voice, by the way, and

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Speaker 1: she started singing back up for Phil Spector on like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so in two years she's met Warren Baby and

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Speaker 2: like her own career. Apparently there's an anecdote where when

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Speaker 2: Phil Spector kept telling you to like, back up further

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Speaker 2: Although apparently Phil Spector opposed it at first, Sonny Bono

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Speaker 2: her the pseudonym Bonnie Joe Mason.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Her first single was released. It was

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Speaker 1: called Ringo I Love You as Bonnie Joe Mason. Not

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Speaker 1: a great song. And you know schera has a share

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Speaker 1: She did a great version too. I love the production

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. So she hit like number fifteen on

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Speaker 2: That's pretty I mean, seriously, think about this. She just

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Speaker 2: performing with Sonny too, as they would become very famous

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Speaker 2: Cleo was a nod to her ambiguous ethnic looks. People said, like,

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Speaker 2: you look like a more glamorous Cleopatra, So that's what

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Speaker 1: and she had that beautiful long black hair like. I've

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Speaker 1: been watching a lot of Share stuff and Sonny and

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Speaker 2: That's cute. From watching the Sonny and Share show and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So, you know, they had some songs together that

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Speaker 1: five they rebranded as themselves as Sonny and Chair with

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Speaker 1: that huge, huge number one single I Got You Babe

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Speaker 1: that the Rolling Stones, who are always champions of them yeah,

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Speaker 1: said I take it over to England, the l'vievode there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Apparently in America they weren't getting much love. Share

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Speaker 2: That's like Led Zeppelin helping out Donnie and Marie in

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Speaker 2: my mind, I don't know what I mean, it's very

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Speaker 2: So, Sonny Bono is very very much tied to Share

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure Bob macki is still around.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad to say, sir that he is. He's was

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Speaker 2: Okay, so back to Sonny again. Sonny's spirit is out there, like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Right? Well, they had their they're a very popular TV show.

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Speaker 1: It was actually the same year that Chaz Bono was born,

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Speaker 2: By nineteen seventy three, Sonny and Share show are still

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Speaker 2: I'm reminded of that Simpson's little bit where they talk

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00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 2: about a man who woke up from a coma after

436
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 2: twenty years and he's being interviewed in his hospital bed

437
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 2: and he goes, do Sonny and Share still have that

438
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 2: stupid show? And Kim Brockman goes, no, she won an

439
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 2: oscar and he's a congressman, and that guy goes good night,

440
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,919
Speaker 2: and like dies. Right, there's some like girls out of

441
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 2: his mouth.

442
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 1: Yes, Sonny Bono would become a congressman.

443
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, a Republican congressman. No, less was he Yeah, Oh.

444
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 1: I couldn't remember. So in nineteen seventy five, she got

445
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: her own variety show, just called Share and it was

446
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 1: sort of like the rest of them, It was not

447
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 1: as popular. You know, they had a certain chemistry together

448
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: that made them famous, and so they would bring back

449
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 1: the show, this time not as the Comedy Hour but

450
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,400
Speaker 1: just the Sonny and Share Show. And that one didn't

451
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,919
Speaker 1: last super long either, because by nineteen seventy seven, and

452
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 1: this was the version that I saw on TV when

453
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: I was but six years old, they broke up professionally

454
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: as well.

455
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 2: So that was it for her and Sonny Bono from

456
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 2: that point on, aside from in the public's collective memory, right, Yeah,

457
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 2: Like I said, she was still carrying out or performing

458
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 2: like she had a solo career that she was also

459
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 2: doing all this time while she was doing other stuff

460
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 2: with Sonny, and it was very successful. Very early on.

461
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 2: She had her seventh album was in nineteen seventy one.

462
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 1: She was.

463
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 2: Twenty four I think at the time, twenty five maybe,

464
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 2: and she that was her seventh studio album. Initially it

465
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 2: was entire it was titled Share with a little accent

466
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 2: over the e, just to make it fancy. But instead

467
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 2: they're like, no, no, we want to be way more

468
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 2: offensive than that. Let's name it after the title track,

469
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 2: Gypsy's tramps and thieves.

470
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: That's right, that's a word that is not used anymore,

471
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 1: which we learned when we did that episode many many

472
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 1: years ago. So we're all still learning, everybody. She also

473
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 1: had a song on there that hasn't aged too well.

474
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 1: It was called half Breed and it was about it

475
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 1: was like from the perspective of a half Cherokee woman

476
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: and chair or you know, a faux headdress and performed

477
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 1: that way and claimed to be of Cherokee descent on

478
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: her mother's side. And it seems like none of that

479
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: is actually true. And I'm sure that stuff Share is not,

480
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 1: like you know, puts at the top of her CV

481
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 1: these days.

482
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 2: No, But interestingly, she still rocked a head dress in

483
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 2: her Vegas residency in the twenty first century. When did

484
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 2: she really Yeah, when she would do a medley of

485
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,640
Speaker 2: her hits for that song, she would wear a headdress still,

486
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 2: so she's still doing half Breed, Yeah, all right, Yeah,

487
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 2: so I read that somewhere. I didn't see it with

488
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 2: mine own eyes or anything.

489
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: Well maybe that is at the top of her civ then.

490
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 2: So it was about this time. Can you imagine, that's

491
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 2: the number one thing she lists out of her entire career.

492
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 2: So about this time, early early seventies, she starts becoming

493
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:14,239
Speaker 2: known for like really wearing just totally revealing clothing, and

494
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 2: she and Bob Mackie just put it into like overdrive

495
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 2: and start taking off from there. And one of the

496
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,199
Speaker 2: outfits that she first got wide public notice for was

497
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 2: her naked dress that she wore to the Met gal

498
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy four, and Bob Mackie escorted her and

499
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 2: it is a naked dress. It's an amazing, beautiful gown

500
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 2: that seems totally see through but it's not. And it

501
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 2: was a it was a big deal. It made a

502
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 2: huge splash.

503
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. And if you know, you can't go to the

504
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 1: Met Gala these days and throw you can throw a

505
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: rock and hit five naked dresses with that one throw.

506
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 1: But that was I tried to find examples of anyone

507
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 1: to pioneer that nude look in public before her share

508
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: and I couldn't find any, so I know, Mackie and

509
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: Chair kind of put that that well worn look on

510
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 1: the map.

511
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, from what I saw, she was widely cited

512
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 2: as the first one. She also wore it the next

513
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 2: year on the cover of Time, and that just kind

514
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 2: of sealed it as an iconic dress. But that was

515
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 2: far from the last dress. As we'll see. We're gonna

516
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 2: talk a little bit more about our dresses soon, but first,

517
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 2: let's take a little side trip over to the Allman

518
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 2: Brothers band literally and meet up. Yeah, and meet up

519
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: with Greg Alman, one of the founders, and they got

520
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 2: married apparently within a few days of Sonny and Shar's

521
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 2: divorce being final. Cher I guess had met Greg Alman

522
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 2: at some point and was like, let's go get married

523
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 2: in Vegas, and I think nine days later they were

524
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 2: married in Vegas.

525
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they had a I mean, her relationship in

526
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: marriage with Greg Alman is as famous as it was

527
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: to Sonny Bono because of I mean, her marriage to

528
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: Sonny was a little boring in comparison, I think, Yeah,

529
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: and I think I think it was either share or

530
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,479
Speaker 1: maybe it was Greg. One of them described their marriage

531
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: as being on LSD at Disneyland, so they had a

532
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: lot of fun. But this was a bad time, I

533
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 1: mean good time professionally for Greg Almon in the mid seventies,

534
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 1: but he was really not doing too well with his

535
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: consumption habits. He had heroin issues and cocaine issues and

536
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: alcohol issues, and they had a volatile, I guess four

537
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: or five year run getting back together, remarrying, stuff like that, reconciling.

538
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: So it was sort of an up and down wild marriage,

539
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: rock and roll marriage, which got a lot of press.

540
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: But it also bore her other son, Elijah Blue Almond,

541
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: who was born in nineteen seventy six.

542
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't remember if I brought this up,

543
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 2: and if so rare, but I ran across this somewhere

544
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 2: and I remembered it when I was reading about Elijah

545
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 2: Blue Almond. The balloon arch, which you might see at

546
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 2: like a wedding or something like that, was invented for

547
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: Elijah Blue Almond's third birthday by legendary balloon artist treb Heining.

548
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 2: The new dress, isn't that amazing?

549
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: The balloon arch, the nude dress, what else? Auto tune

550
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: as we'll see.

551
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, she was a huge pioneer in a

552
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 2: lot of well Share had a really large pop cultural impact,

553
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 2: more than she gets credit for, for sure.

554
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: I think so. As I said that marriage was trouble.

555
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: Greg Alman was not much of a father. Elijah Blue

556
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: has had struggles in his life and his health, drug problems.

557
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: I know he struggles with lyme disease and they're very

558
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: sadly still have a troubled He and Chair have a

559
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: troubled relationship. She I remember reading this last year. She

560
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: tried to file or she filed to try and get

561
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: a conservatorship over him just late last year but was

562
00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: denied it. And it's just I think anyone who as

563
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: a fan of Shared is really behind her and hoping

564
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: that she and her son can resolve this.

565
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently she went through a really rough patch with

566
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 2: Chaz as well, but that's kind of been resolved over

567
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 2: the years, she said in I think a twenty ten

568
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 2: interview in Vanity Fair. Right. Yeah, so by this time,

569
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 2: by nineteen seventy eight, she and Greg Alman are about

570
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 2: to split up for good, and she decides to finally

571
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 2: just change her legal name to Cher, which is an

572
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 2: enormous reduction in the number of letters in her full name,

573
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 2: because at the time her full legal name was Cherylyn

574
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 2: Sarcasian La Pierre Bono Almon. And she's like, just call

575
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 2: me Cher from now on, and that's what the law said.

576
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 2: They stamped it and said, okay, we'll call you Share

577
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 2: from now on.

578
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: Another thing that Share was very well known for was

579
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,959
Speaker 1: her myriad boyfriend She had over the years, many times,

580
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: including up to two day dating men that were younger

581
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: than her, sometimes much younger than her, but usually famous dudes,

582
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: very high profile relationships. She dated Gene Simmons for a

583
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: couple of years, the bass player from Kiss and more

584
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: than bass player obviously. She dated Val Kilmer. She dated

585
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: Tom Cruise. She dated Eric Stoltz, who played her son

586
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: in the movie Mask, which is a little strange, but yeah,

587
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: she loves loves men and loves dating men.

588
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

589
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: She believes in love.

590
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 2: Right, and she believes in life even afterward too. Yeah.

591
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 2: A little side thing on Eric Stoltz that I found

592
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: out recently. Apparently he was the original Marty McFly and

593
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 2: back to the future. Did you know that?

594
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: You didn't know that?

595
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 2: I'll stop sharing this anecdote immediately, but.

596
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: No, I'm sorry. That was just one of those that

597
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: I thought you would have known, Like you can see

598
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: the like they shot some of the movie with him

599
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: and you can see those scenes.

600
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 2: I did not know that part. I did know that

601
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 2: they wanted Michael J. Fox originally, but Family Ties was

602
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 2: like no, so they went with Eric Stoltson. Like this

603
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: kid is playing this way too seriously. He would not

604
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 2: goof it up at all. He's too serious of an actor.

605
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 2: So they were like, all right, we're like a third

606
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 2: of the way through shooting. We're just gonna bring in

607
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 2: Michael J. Fox on nights and weekends, which is why

608
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 2: a lot of the stuff that a lot of the

609
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 2: scenes Michael J. Fox is in are at night. Said it.

610
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: No, yeah, you should check out some of the scenes.

611
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: It's very brain breaking to be someone of our generation

612
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: and see Eric Stolt's playing Martin mcflyin.

613
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: So what like that scenes that made it into the movie?

614
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 2: You mean or the outtakes? No? No, no, okay, just.

615
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: I mean they had shot at third of the movie

616
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: and that that exists online.

617
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 2: I see, I got you. I didn't know if they

618
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 2: were like this this scene was actually too good. We're

619
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 2: just gonna pretend like that's Michael J.

620
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: Fox, I gotcha, so like he's got his back turn

621
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: to the camera.

622
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 2: You can still somehow see his freckle.

623
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,239
Speaker 1: In the eighties is when Chaer finally broke out as

624
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: an actor. This is something that or actually, should we

625
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: take a break there?

626
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 2: Or no, yeah, we might as well.

627
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: All right, we'll leave a cliffhanger though, and when we

628
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: come back, we'll learn to see if Share ever acted again.

629
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: Right after this, we loss.

630
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: So much stuff from Josh and shook stuff. Fui.

631
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: All right, We've got to the bottom of that one too.

632
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: Share did finally get into acting in a genuine way

633
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,959
Speaker 1: in the nineteen eighties. She was on Broadway and The

634
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: I Guess In the same year. In nineteen eighty two,

635
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: Robert Altman did a Broadway version of Come Back to

636
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: the Five and Dime Jimmy Jimmy Dean and a Movie.

637
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: She was in the movie and won a Golden Globe

638
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: for that part.

639
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 2: Even did you know that that play originally premiered at

640
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 2: the Alliance Theater in Atlanta before Broadway. Amazing, So that

641
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 2: was a big breakthrough for her, that movie in particular,

642
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 2: but also Broadway. I mean, it's like a pretty big

643
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 2: deal to go act on stage. There's a big difference

644
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 2: between being in the hands of an editor and being

645
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 2: like live on stage. So that was a pretty pretty

646
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 2: big way to kind of debut as like a genuine actor.

647
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: Because one thing, we should say, that Chastity movie that

648
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 2: she first tried in nineteen sixty nine, that was a drama.

649
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 2: It wasn't a comedy. It was like a straight up drama,

650
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 2: and people were just like, no, we're not accepting this.

651
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 2: So she kept at it. She was in Come Back

652
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 2: to the Five and Don Jimmy Dean, Jimmy Dean. She

653
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 2: I think the next year played the lesbian roommate of

654
00:34:55,160 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 2: Meryl Streep, well, Meryl Streep's character in Silkwood, and she

655
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: actually cites that as one of the one of the

656
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: watershed moments that started to attract like a following for

657
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 2: her from the gay community. That kind of eventually became,

658
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 2: you know, her gay icon ship.

659
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, she won, by the way, a Golden She

660
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: won the Golden Globe for that.

661
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 2: Okay, great, and then she starred in Mask very she

662
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 2: I mean, she was amazing in Mask. That movie was

663
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 2: so good, if I remember correct. I haven't seen it

664
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 2: in a long time, but I just can't see that

665
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 2: not being good, Like that part where he teaches his

666
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 2: blind girlfriend, like what colors are her through touch? What

667
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 2: was that? Laura dern Okay, so Chaer is like her

668
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 2: Eric Stoltz's protective biker mom and just the whole movie

669
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 2: is just so great. She does a really great job

670
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 2: and she won the Best Actress Award at can for

671
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 2: her role in Mask. So she was expecting to at

672
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 2: least be nominated for an OSCAR for Best Actress. Nothing.

673
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 2: It was a a straight up snub, like Hollywood was

674
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: sending a message to her, like a nice tribe, but

675
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 2: to stay out of the acting business. We've got this.

676
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: We can't really take you seriously.

677
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a big thumb in the eye. So

678
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 1: Bob Mackie designed her famous revenge gown gowned gown, which

679
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,959
Speaker 1: was this. It was the one where she had the big,

680
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: huge plume of black feathers all over her head kind

681
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: of like a headdress or I guess it was a

682
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: head dress and just like you know, not a Native

683
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: American kind of headdress. And it was it was basically

684
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: like hey, everybody look at me.

685
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, not Don Michi? Who would win?

686
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: Who won?

687
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 2: Don Amici? He won for Cocoon. She was presenting the

688
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: Best Supporting Actor award.

689
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I thought you met won her award. No,

690
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: I think that was Geraldine Page maybe in What Well.

691
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: I don't know if Share got nominated or would have

692
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: been nominated. I guess she would have been nominated for

693
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: Best Actress or would have been a Best Supporting for Masks.

694
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 2: I think best Actress that's what she won and.

695
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 1: Can okay, So, I think Geraldine Page won Best Actress

696
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:14,240
Speaker 1: in What. Can't remember the name of the movie.

697
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: What was it about? Can you give a brief synopsis?

698
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: No, I can't remember. But that was also the same

699
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: year of The Color Purple. So I think there were

700
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 1: three or four actresses nominated in both categories for that

701
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: and Jessica Lang. Like you know, it's always tough to

702
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: to say, like, well, this person deserved it more than

703
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: that person, but hey, that's how the Oscars go. Seron

704
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: should have been nominated at least, But she would win

705
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: the next year for Moonstruck, which is one of my

706
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: favorite movies.

707
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 2: I've never seen it.

708
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: Oh man, it's you'd love it.

709
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll take your word for.

710
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: Vintage Nicholas Cage. Also, I wanted to mention too, in

711
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: case anyone is curious, I did I got I rewatched Masked? Masked?

712
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,479
Speaker 1: What is wrong with me? I'm just saying everything slightly wrong.

713
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 2: Was it masked? James or Jim Carrey, James Carey?

714
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: That was the mask?

715
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 2: Okay, gotcha? So what's masked?

716
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: There is no such thing? Again, there probably is, But

717
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: mask I rewatched a few years ago because that was

718
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,959
Speaker 1: a movie crush movie. It was Tig Nataro's pick.

719
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,919
Speaker 2: Oh nice, don't. I don't blame Tig for that at all.

720
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's fun to go back and rewatch that

721
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: because that was an HBO special for me. I watched

722
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: it quite a few times back in the day.

723
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: So did it hold up?

724
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: Yeah? Really good? Good movie.

725
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 2: Great. So the eighties were like really kind of big

726
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 2: for share. And remember she made her debut and was

727
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: releasing hits and had a hit TV show in the

728
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 2: early seventies, not even mid seventies. By the mid eighties

729
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 2: and late eighties, it was like she had a brand

730
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 2: new career. She'd win an oscar, she won a Best

731
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 2: Actress at cann She was becoming an acclaimed actress. And

732
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 2: then she starts releasing albums again, and two albums in

733
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 2: two years or three years, nineteen eighty seven and nineteen

734
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 2: eighty nine, and the nineteen eighty nine went Hard as

735
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 2: Stone that went triple platinum, and the reason, one of

736
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 2: the big reasons that went triple platinum was for her.

737
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 2: If I could turn back.

738
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: Time song, Yeah, I've been singing that all day and

739
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: I didn't even watch it, just from reading those words

740
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: right and stuck in my head.

741
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 2: I've got the thing I've been doing the whole time

742
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 2: with that, if I could turn back to it's I

743
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 2: saw Jack do it on Will and Grace when she

744
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 2: did a cameo on it, and he thought she she

745
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 2: was like a drag queen, but it was the real

746
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 2: share and he was telling her how to do it right,

747
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 2: and she slaps him and says, snap out of it.

748
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: Why was he doing his voice like that?

749
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: Though he saw her and like they had like a

750
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 2: turn back time off and he was correcting her because

751
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 2: he thought he thought she was she was a sharre impersonator.

752
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: It's a pretty great you haven't seen that scene? It's great? Yeah?

753
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 2: You know what's Jack from Will and Grace?

754
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: Oh? Does Sean Hayes.

755
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 2: Right, best known for his role on SmartLess the podcast.

756
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, the movie career would continue if I can turn

757
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: Bactime was a huge hit. She put out Mermaids in

758
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety that had another hit song in it, the

759
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: Shoop Shoop song It's in his Kiss. Sonny, like you said,

760
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: would very tragically die in a skiing accident in ninety eight,

761
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: But that was also the year of her biggest hit ever,

762
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 1: the song that you joked about with the auto tune,

763
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: which was Believe of the same album Believe, and it

764
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: was a quadruple platinum number one hit. The album was

765
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: quadruple platinum, and that song was number one for four weeks.

766
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, not only that, we talked about this in the

767
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 2: auto Tune episode. That was the first use of auto

768
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: tune in that way. Up to that point, it had

769
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 2: just been used to kind of just gently correct people's vocals.

770
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 2: That's what it was originally created for. And her producer

771
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 2: Mark Taylor was like, no, we're turning that thing up

772
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 2: to eleven to see what happens. And so this is

773
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight, right. She had her first career in

774
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 2: the seventies, second career in the eighties, she's kind of

775
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 2: gone off and just been out of the limelight for

776
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 2: a good decade and she has this idea to record

777
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 2: this album and Warner Brothers in America was like, nah,

778
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: we don't think so, We're not one hundred percent you're

779
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 2: going to sell any copies. So, just like with the

780
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 2: Rolling Stones bringing her to England and saying like hey, everybody,

781
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 2: check these people out, and that helping her get her boost.

782
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 2: She went to her British label, Warner Brothers UK, and

783
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 2: they agreed to release it. So Warner Brothers America turned

784
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 2: down that album and luckily the UK label agreed and

785
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 2: it had not only just that huge impact on her career,

786
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 2: but also the fact that used auto tune. It just

787
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 2: took off from there.

788
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was huge and you know, change music for

789
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: a little while. It's I don't think it's a it's

790
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: a thing that sort of rooted in time. Now. I

791
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: think a lot of people were worried, like, oh no,

792
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: this is going to change music forever, and it was

793
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: just sort of a oh, what's the word I'm looking for,

794
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: just a music trick that was fashionable for a little while.

795
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, a long while. I would say, I mean,

796
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 2: this is like a good people still use that stuff,

797
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 2: and not just in rap anymore. Right, And it's been

798
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 2: a quarter century that people have been doing that.

799
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: Is it still a thing?

800
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, it is still a thing. It's becoming, like

801
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 2: you said, less and less and less. I think everybody's like,

802
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 2: we got to come up with something besides trap music

803
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 2: now because it's just been done too long, too many times.

804
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 2: But I saw an interview with Cher you said Jay

805
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: Z once came up to her and thanked her. He said,

806
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 2: a lot of my friends who don't have very good

807
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 2: voices have career thanks to you in auto tune. So

808
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 2: I think that's a reason why it's stuck around for

809
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,439
Speaker 2: a quarter century because it lets producers say like, hey,

810
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 2: you're terrible at this, we can make that right, Just

811
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 2: go out there and be the image that we want

812
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 2: to see.

813
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, one word you've said a few times in

814
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: describing that as decades, and I'm not talking about her perfume,

815
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: but her perfume is named decades because the coolest fact

816
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: about Share probably is that she's only solo artist in

817
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: music history to have hits in seven different decades, which

818
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: is just unbelievable. And it's something I mean that's why

819
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: she called her perfume that because something she's really proud

820
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: of is her staying power. I know she's been asked

821
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: in interviews about like, you know who these days, is

822
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: it Lady Gaga or who's the next share who's comparable

823
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: to you? And she wasn't being like nobody, honey, But

824
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: her response was just sort of like, well, you know,

825
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: are all great, but like the thing I'm most proud of,

826
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 1: and I'm of course paraphrasing, is the decades, seven decades

827
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: of hits and like, you know, not saying there's no

828
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: one comparable, but there's kind of no one comparable, and

829
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: like kind of a call me in forty years kind

830
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 1: of thing and let's see where they're at. And not again,

831
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: she wasn't being a jerk. She's just being very matter

832
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: of fact about what a big accomplishment that is for her.

833
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 1: And I don't blame her.

834
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 2: For sure. She's still releasing albums. I mentioned a Vegas

835
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 2: residency two thousand and eight to twenty eleven. She was

836
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 2: working Caesar's Palace. She released album in twenty thirteen. It

837
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 2: was a dance album. I think the whole thing was

838
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 2: a dance album that kind of made it different from

839
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: some of all the rest of her albums. She released

840
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 2: a Christmas album last year.

841
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I got to hear that.

842
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 2: It's it's unlistenable at least the single is. It's bad man,

843
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 2: DJ play a Christmas.

844
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: Song, it's not all.

845
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like it. And I like Sharon, I

846
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 2: like her work, but I'm not a fan of that song.

847
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 2: And you like Christmas music, it does, yes, I think

848
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 2: that's why I don't like that song. But yeah, yeah,

849
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 2: it's it's it's odd. It's definitely worth listening to, but

850
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: I don't think you're gonna make it through the whole thing.

851
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: Okay, through that whole song.

852
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, if you were on ecstasy and acid

853
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 2: and at a club, you'd probably be like, this is

854
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 2: pretty good. But if you're just sitting there listening to

855
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 2: it during a work day, yeah, I don't think you're

856
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 2: gonna like it very much.

857
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, while you're working at the Gap at the mall right,

858
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: please cut not again. I worked at the Gap during Christmas.

859
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: That's the only time I worked there was for like

860
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 1: a month. But that Christmas mix got so into my brain,

861
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: and the one that really stands out Wash Sanna's got

862
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: a brand new bag. The James Taylor win.

863
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 2: James Taylor, James Brown.

864
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: Did I say, James Taylor, what is wrong with me?

865
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: You know? James Taylor. Yeah, it's got to got a

866
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: brand new bags. Oh man, I'm just off my game today.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty funny, though I'm not gonna.

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Speaker 2: Be still charming as ever, though, I'll tell you.

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Speaker 1: That I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Like Warren Baty, you just need auto tune for your

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Speaker 2: brain for this episode.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly what I need. Share is but a

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Speaker 1: Tony away from an egot. I I'm not sure if

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Speaker 1: there are any plans to get her one. To me,

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00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: they should have given her one just for the musical

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Speaker 1: The Share Show, which was on Broadway and did win

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Speaker 1: Tony's but like, just throw a Tony man, give her

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Speaker 1: that egot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. One of the things. So we talked about her

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00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 2: being a gay icon. She did an interview with Pride

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Speaker 2: soource dot com and they were asking her about you

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Speaker 2: know how how that happened, and she was saying, like,

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Speaker 2: you know, gay men are very loyal, and she said

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Speaker 2: that come back to The five and dime when it premiered,

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00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 2: like it had a big response initially and then it

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00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 2: just dropped off. But yes, but the gay community had

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00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 2: already discovered and loved Share and she said they just

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00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 2: basically came out and supported the show and kept it

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Speaker 2: going long enough to develop into larger and larger following,

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Speaker 2: and that had it not been for the gay community,

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Speaker 2: it would have just been it would have been canceled

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Speaker 2: very quickly after debuting, and it didn't. And she's like,

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Speaker 2: that's that's just the kind of support that not just she,

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Speaker 2: but anybody that is an icon in the gay community

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Speaker 2: can expect. Yeah, they're just very loyal and supportive, even

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Speaker 2: if what you're doing is not that great. And I

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00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: read that the Share show is essentially being supported by

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Speaker 2: the gay community too, that it's not super good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't heard that, And of course that's the

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00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 1: full spectrum of the LGBTQ community. Because of her work

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00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: with trans writes. You know, she even admits having a

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00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: hard time when initially Chaz came out as gay and

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00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,280
Speaker 1: then later transitioned. But you know, they're a tight family

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Speaker 1: and they worked through it, and she has been a

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Speaker 1: supporter even though it she just had to wrap her

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Speaker 1: head around it. I know that she got her first

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Speaker 1: experience with the gay community when she was twelve. From

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00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: this article I read, she said told a very cute story.

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Speaker 1: She said, I came home from school one day there

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Speaker 1: were these two guys in our living room talking to

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Speaker 1: my mom and her best friend, and they were so

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Speaker 1: happy and excited about everything they were talking about, so animated,

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Speaker 1: and I thought, these guys are so much more fun

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Speaker 1: than the regular men who come over to visit. I

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Speaker 1: didn't know they were gay. I just thought these guys

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Speaker 1: are great, and it all started from them.

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Speaker 2: I love that story. It's a great Anne.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really good.

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Speaker 2: She also is a supporter of veterans. She's called into

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Speaker 2: c SPAN at least two times to promote her help

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Speaker 2: for I think with inserts into helmets for soldiers in

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Speaker 2: the Iraq War, and she co founded a charity called

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Speaker 2: Free the Wild that relocates captive zoo animals to like

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Speaker 2: actual good habitats.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's I mean, she's flirting with dollihood, not quite,

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Speaker 2: but she's really close. I mean, she's like a good

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Speaker 2: she's a cool person. Good person.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess. Uh. Look for episodes on Barber Streiss

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Speaker 1: In and Judy Garland. Yeah, in the next couple of years.

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Speaker 2: Were you go, we're going to become gay icons.

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Speaker 1: If we keep this up, that should round it out. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I hope so.

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Speaker 2: Well. If you want to know more about share, just

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Speaker 2: go watch some videos, listen to some songs, read some articles,

936
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Speaker 2: go see a Broadway play about her, whatever you want

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Speaker 2: to do. There's plenty to take in. And since I

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Speaker 2: said that it's time for listener mail, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Going to call this freaking follow up. Hey, guys, back

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00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 1: in the day, when there were payphones, the operator could

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Speaker 1: actually give you back your dime and later a quorterer

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Speaker 1: by a tone if something went wrong. One of the

943
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Speaker 1: earliest hacks involved getting back your dime without an operator

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00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: and usually many more dimes than just yours, by slowly

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Speaker 1: controlling the return from dialing the number nine.

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Speaker 2: Wow man, kids, Back in the day.

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Speaker 1: As you return the dial, money would come out. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So it was on a dial phone and depending on

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Speaker 1: when the service, depending on when the service people had

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Speaker 1: last collected from that phone. I'm not sure I read

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Speaker 1: that right, but I think you get the picture. Yeah,

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00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: you can get quite a lot of money this way.

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Speaker 1: I refuse to answer how I know this, but a

954
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: person could pay for train fare to the suburbs from

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Speaker 1: Grand Central by going to several phone booths in a row.

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Speaker 1: That is from Danielle last name redacted.

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Speaker 2: Nice. Thanks a lot, Danielle. It's a great anecdote. I

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Speaker 2: love that one.

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Speaker 1: Chuck me too.

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Speaker 2: Well. If you want to be like Danielle and give

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Speaker 2: us a great anecdote about something we talked about, you

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Speaker 2: can guess we love that kind of stuff. You can

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Speaker 2: put it in an email and send it off to

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Speaker 2: Stuff podcast at iHeartRadio dot com.

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