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Speaker 1: Also media, Welcome to it could happen here, a podcast

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Speaker 1: coming to you from a country ruled by nine unelected

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Speaker 1: dipshits and hideous costumes. You can at a whim destroy

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Speaker 1: your life. I'm your host. Be along with me. As

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Speaker 1: Jim stout him, I'm excited to hear about the Supreme

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Speaker 1: Council or whatever they called. It's like the Jedi Council. God,

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Speaker 1: it's it's a problematic comparison in a lot of ways,

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Speaker 1: but like, the thing I immediately think of is the

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Speaker 1: extent is like like Iran, Like I don't like you

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Speaker 1: do not like right, But Iran gets so much shit

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Speaker 1: for having the Surer Council, right, which is like this

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Speaker 1: council that's like above their parliament, above their president, and

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Speaker 1: it can make a bunch of decisions as a bunch

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Speaker 1: of power. It's like, we also have a Surer Council,

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Speaker 1: except instead of protecting the Islamic Revolution, it's designed to

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Speaker 1: protect like the ideology of a bunch of right wingers

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Speaker 1: from Harvard. And it's like, well this is great for sure,

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Speaker 1: Like yes, yeah, we we have a group of elected,

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Speaker 1: half dead people whose entire thing is to protect like

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Speaker 1: capital and specifically the theft of land from indigenous people.

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Speaker 2: Is that the thing that that they love to do.

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Speaker 1: And again to defend a round here, like we did

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Speaker 1: this first, Like this is like that one. We'll get

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Speaker 1: ever clipped out and used in other context. That's great.

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Speaker 2: We kind of pioted this right, like we were. We

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Speaker 2: were trying to trying to like take the give monarchism

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Speaker 2: a soft landing, you know, so we we had some

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Speaker 2: other unelected half dead people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and this has the results of this have been

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Speaker 1: disastrous and are widely regarded by everyone as a disaster.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna be talking about a few cases that

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court is going to do, and also we're going

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Speaker 1: to be talking about the Streme Court and how it

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Speaker 1: relates to sort of liberal what I guess I would

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Speaker 1: political and legal strategy because as all of that stuff

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Speaker 1: needs to be thrown out the window immediately and it

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Speaker 1: hasn't been. Yeah, So all right, let's just start with

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Speaker 1: Texas Bill four, a very basically just like a turbo

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Speaker 1: fascism bill that lets Texas police racially profile someone and go,

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Speaker 1: I think this person's here legally and immediately arrest them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, crucially, it's it's I think right, like yeah, so

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Speaker 2: it's like again, we are giving the Texas police, like

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Speaker 2: the heroes who ran away from Uvaldi, We are giving

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Speaker 2: them the power to go this person isn't white.

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Speaker 1: I think they're here legally, I can arrest them. And

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Speaker 1: then if they do, arrest some one who's undocumented. There's

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Speaker 1: the basically the way it works. It so it's it's

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Speaker 1: it's it sets up a series of like criminal penalties

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Speaker 1: like prison time. I think if if you repeat offender,

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Speaker 1: you get a felony. But mostly what it does is

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Speaker 1: it less a judge immediately just support them. Now, yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is, to use a tech term, obviously insanely illegal,

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Speaker 1: like constitutionally like it is. The Constitution is very clear

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Speaker 1: that that immigration is is, you know, constitutionally the purview

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Speaker 1: of the federal government. It's very funny reading like Scotus

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Speaker 1: Blog because people have to sort of pretend that like

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Speaker 1: people are making real legal arguments here. Yeah, it's like

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Speaker 1: when when Donald Trump is ever like we're we're looking

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Speaker 1: at Donald Trump's policies next week spoiler alert. But like

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Speaker 1: I've been writing about his proposed immigration policies and you

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Speaker 1: have to be like, no, this shit's just fucking it's

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Speaker 1: not legal. It's just not like, yeah, some crackpot old

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Speaker 1: that you're under arbraltry law, that he's got a fucking argument,

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Speaker 1: but he's wrong, Like this is ready to illegal shit. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and so so this bill was supposed to go into effect.

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Speaker 1: There's a whole series of very convoluted court battles over it,

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Speaker 1: this bill, the legal justification for this is batshit. It's

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Speaker 1: so okay. They're trying to invoke the state war Clause,

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Speaker 1: which is this is this really like old timey law. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So the thing the thing about like the seventeen hundreds,

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Speaker 1: it's it's funny because you can even see that the

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Speaker 1: obviously this is not a war, right, I mean just

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Speaker 1: Well we better shoot them all like that. That was

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Speaker 1: But on the other hand, this doesn't matter because the

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Speaker 1: can we just wrap this up? Seth Aberton would write

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Speaker 2: It's a problem, yeah, And like I think this is

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Speaker 2: it shouldn't factor in our organizing, Like I see so

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Speaker 2: or why court case, like, institutions created by people who

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, there's something that the right has actually,

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Speaker 1: and this is the thing that like the Biden administration's

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Speaker 1: you shouldn't be able to do that, but like, how

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Speaker 1: are you going to stop them? Right? The court system

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you take a case which just to not

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Speaker 2: a position that many people listening to this podcast might take.

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Speaker 2: For instance, California's gun laws. Right, California passes so many

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Speaker 2: it takes so long for them to pass all the

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Speaker 2: not right, that that in effect California can do things

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Speaker 2: It doesn't really matter because they can still do them right.

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Speaker 2: And with the go go to the Night Circuit in California,

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Speaker 2: like what's just.

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Speaker 1: If you look if you're looking for the justices for

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Speaker 1: justice who are looking in the wrong place. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: And when it comes to border stuff, I guess before

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Speaker 2: like like and some of the most desperate people on earth.

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Speaker 2: Like I've been to the border in Texas. You know

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Speaker 2: you're not swimming across that river because you think you

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Speaker 2: might get a PlayStation five when you get to the

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Speaker 2: other side, Like it's fucking dangerous, and the journey.

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Speaker 1: To get there.

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Speaker 2: People who tend to come across the land border to

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Speaker 2: Texas or of want to, like migros, ain't fucking stupid.

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Speaker 2: They have access to all the same news and information

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Speaker 1: So we want going to talk about one more case,

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Speaker 1: I would not think about that. Why why would you

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Speaker 1: why would there be slur Like, why would there be

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Speaker 1: slurs on the side of your tent. Yeah, yeah, why

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Speaker 1: were you doing here? How could you given the purchasing

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Speaker 2: Like, I don't know, but that's why I am not

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Speaker 2: a member of the San Diego Democrat Party. So one

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Speaker 2: of the things it will come up is what constitutes

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Speaker 2: a safe shelter in practice, Again, this doesn't matter hugely

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Speaker 2: other than it's a Supreme Court giving a nod to

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Speaker 2: local governments to further criminalize being on housed, to drive

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Speaker 2: unhouse people further from services, further from site.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: In San Diego's case, that means into canyons, into rivers, rivers,

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Speaker 2: flood canyons get extremely hot in the summer. More than

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Speaker 2: one person every single day already dies on our streets

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Speaker 2: here in an extremely wealthy and prosperous area of the world.

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Speaker 2: This will make it worse because they will get that

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Speaker 2: nod to continue criminalizing people rather than trying.

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Speaker 1: To help them.

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Speaker 2: In practice, what cities will do, including San Diego, is

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Speaker 2: just hold back a few shelter beds to allow them

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Speaker 2: to cite anyone. Right it practice, they're still going to

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Speaker 2: cite people even if the demand for beds is much

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Speaker 2: higher than the provision of beds. So like in that case,

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Speaker 2: they will still continue to find it's not a workaround,

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Speaker 2: but they think it is right that they can just

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Speaker 2: criminalize being on housed in this fashion. But it it does,

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Speaker 2: it represents like a nod from the top down right

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Speaker 2: to go even harder after people who are too poor

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Speaker 2: to make rent at a time when rent is less

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Speaker 2: affordable than it has been in generations. And so like

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Speaker 2: it's one to watch. It's one where like yet again

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Speaker 2: you find like the Democrats, I guess, lining up on

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Speaker 2: the right hand side of the issue, the right wing

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Speaker 2: side of the issue, the state violence side of the issue. Right,

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Speaker 2: and it will i'm sure, open up the door to

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Speaker 2: more what they call camping bands, which is the euphemism

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Speaker 2: again they are bands on being unhoused within city limits, right,

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Speaker 2: And I think it's one to keep an eye on.

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Speaker 2: But again, like I don't it's Clarence Thomas, the guy

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Speaker 2: who goes to the billionaire's house with the racist statues

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Speaker 2: and the Nazi statues, Like he's not the guy who's

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Speaker 2: going to come in swinging for the person who has

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Speaker 2: to sleep under the underpass because they can't make rent,

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Speaker 2: you know, like.

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Speaker 1: And like like if you if you think the fucking

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Speaker 1: liberal justices are going to give a shit either, like,

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Speaker 1: these are the these are the people whose fundamental political

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Speaker 1: principles that the police have the right to. Like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: there is a decision that I can't remember the fucking

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Speaker 1: name of that was a it was it was, it was,

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Speaker 1: it was. It should have been a very very basic

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Speaker 1: you are guaranteed due process thing right under the Fourth

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Speaker 1: Amendments and this, and in a nine o decision, the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court ruled that the the cops are allowed to

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Speaker 1: violate people's due process because if they didn't do this,

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Speaker 1: there couldn't be a functional police force in this country

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Speaker 1: because this is how the police were doing all their

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Speaker 1: fucking work. So if you think those people right, that

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Speaker 1: was nine oh nine zero decision, that wasn't that was

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Speaker 1: a fucking Ruth Bader Ginsburg special, Right, you mean those

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Speaker 1: people are going to be like, oh, hey, damn, maybe

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Speaker 1: maybe people who don't own property have rights like how no?

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Speaker 2: Like yeah, like, look, when faced with a choice between

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Speaker 2: like liberty and and and then the necessity of maintaining

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Speaker 2: a state's capacity to do violence to anyone at any time.

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Speaker 2: They chose the latter, right, And I guess, like, if

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Speaker 2: I can get on my soapbox for a minute, like

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Speaker 2: you need to stop expecting these people to come and

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Speaker 2: save you, like specifically with reference to the fucking Grant

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Speaker 2: Past case, Like the person who is going to stop

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Speaker 2: your un house neighbor dying is you. It's not an NGO,

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Speaker 2: it's not the city, it's not the county, it's not

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Speaker 2: the feds. Those people fundamentally that they're the incentive is

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Speaker 2: not for them to care. Like your incentives as a

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Speaker 2: person who shares humanity with that person is to care

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Speaker 2: and to do something. And like, yeah, I guess, like,

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Speaker 2: don't wait, take the time you would have spent reading

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Speaker 2: about a fucking Supreme Court case and make sandwiches and

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Speaker 2: go hand them out, because that is the only way

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Speaker 2: we solve this.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's as good a place as I

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Speaker 1: need to stop. Yeah, this is beeniking up here. It

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