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Speaker 1: From me Theaters World News Headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This

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Speaker 1: is Col's We Can Review with Ryan cal Callahan. Now

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Speaker 1: here's Cal.

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Speaker 2: All right, everybody. This week Cal's We Can Review our

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Speaker 2: special drop. We have Patrick Barry, CEO of b h A,

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Speaker 2: and Jordan Sillers. Jordan Sillers has been working on a

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Speaker 2: bunch of interesting things, but he's taking time out of

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Speaker 2: his busy schedule to join us here on this podcast

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Speaker 2: because you know, he orchestrates this entire shooting match most

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Speaker 2: of the time, so.

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Speaker 1: Happy to do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the right answer. But you know, we cover

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Speaker 2: a lot of important stuff, so it's it's fulfilling work, right.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely, very fulfilling. Love my coworkers.

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Speaker 1: It's great to say that I do. Literally that's great.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it is. If you are listening to this.

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Speaker 2: The day it drops, it is Thursday, and it's a

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Speaker 2: very special Thursday because the night of the Field to

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Speaker 2: Table dinner in Minneapolis, Minnesota, the leading big event as

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Speaker 2: close as the BHA family gets to a big formal

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Speaker 2: dinner at Rendezvous, our national meeting. So if you're listening

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Speaker 2: to this, come on down and I'll see you at

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Speaker 2: rendezvous Friday night where we have live podcast with Hal Herring.

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Speaker 2: We have a meat Eater trivia event hosted by Randall Williams.

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Speaker 2: I'll be there, Ronnie Bame will be there, Mark Kenyon

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Speaker 2: will be there and you can put your your nogging

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Speaker 2: most stuff. I know, the hard work in Josh Mills

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Speaker 2: is a ton of awesome prizes and giveaways lined up

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Speaker 2: Saturday we have all sorts of seminars and ways for

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Speaker 2: folks to understand what is happening with BHA, how you

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Speaker 2: can get evolved, how you can support all these initiatives

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Speaker 2: that we have going on. But to not delay this

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Speaker 2: any further because it is literally his ship. Patrick Barry

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Speaker 2: the new CEO, and I'd say new you got to

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Speaker 2: without further ado, Patrick Berry tell us a little bit

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Speaker 1: I thought it would make it even more interesting. You know,

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Speaker 1: So uh, you know, all the biologists hunter ed fish

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Speaker 2: Heck yeah, And what what have you been doing with BHA?

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Speaker 2: Cal Well, anybody who gets that bird dog, that very

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Speaker 1: You know, I think there's one topic that covers both

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Speaker 1: And that's something I know you and I have talked about.

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Speaker 1: the ability to be part of a of a process

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00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: for providing solutions. It's a it's a I think it's a.

434
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: It's a it's a very distinctive quality of of our

435
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 1: advocacy efforts.

436
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, darn, darn Wright. That is something that we see

437
00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 2: all the time, and it's the stigma of well, if

438
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 2: you don't agree on everything, you can't hang out together

439
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 2: right right right where. It's like the the best conversations

440
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 2: are with those that have opposing viewpoints when you're working

441
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 2: to try to put something together.

442
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: Right yep, Yeah, Well to that point too. I mean,

443
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: we are all on the same team here even if

444
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 1: we disagree, and we certainly you know, I'm I don't

445
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: think my wife and I would be together if we

446
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: had to agree on absolutely everything, But man, we were

447
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: on the same team and we agree on enough stuff

448
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: to make it work. And I'll be honest, I mean

449
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: that's a growing concern is just you know, with the

450
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: changes in demographics across this country, and there are you know,

451
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: not as many people who are even in touch with

452
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: being you know, outside in cool places. It's more important

453
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: ever that I think organizations that focus on outdoor recreation

454
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: broadly hunting and fishing and conservation certainly find a way

455
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 1: to work together. And man, I see it all the time.

456
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: It's like there's a circular firing squad of sportsman's groups

457
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: and sometimes and you know, all you got to do

458
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 1: is to take a look at a social media post

459
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: by almost any organization. Somewhere along the way, somebody is

460
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: going to take a shot at whatever organization, either how

461
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: they function, how they operate, the issue itself, and it's

462
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: you know, the person making the comment is supposed to

463
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: be part of the team. Well really, you know, you

464
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: can just respectfully disagree and choose not to engage on

465
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: that issue. So I hope that that changes. Although man

466
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: is divided as things are these days, I know that's

467
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: going to be a tough one. And again, I really

468
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: do think that is really another attractive quality to the

469
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: BHA community is that you know, everybody's welcome. You don't

470
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: you don't have to agree on stuff. I mean, you know,

471
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: you hear stories all the time of BHA pint nights

472
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: where folks from as far opposite ends of the ideological

473
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: spectrum as possible hanging out having a beer, talking about

474
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: how much they love being outside, hunting, fishing and enjoying,

475
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: you know, their time away from work.

476
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 2: This is going to be your first rendezvous, yes, sir, yeah, yeah,

477
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 2: So what are your what are your expectations?

478
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, everywhere I go and everybody I

479
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: talked to in VHA says the same thing. And I

480
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: don't know if it was before I came on board.

481
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,479
Speaker 1: This was a line that you had to learn as

482
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: a part of being a BHA member. But no matter

483
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: where they live, what they hunt, age, gender, whatever, they

484
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: all say the same thing. I found my people. They

485
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: love this community because they're you know, they care about

486
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: conservation and love hunting and fishing. They can't be stereotyped

487
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: or not, you know, sort of out on you know

488
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: what people view as these divided extremes in a lot

489
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: of ways, and they enjoy hanging out with one another.

490
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: And uh when people talk about how they found their people,

491
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: uh man, they can't wait to get the rendezvous to

492
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: see their people. Uh even if they live on the

493
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: farthest uh, you know, points of the country or the continent.

494
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: And uh, I'm just excited to see that in action.

495
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: The people are just they they just can't wait. And

496
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: I I mean, I really hope that a lot of

497
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: folks that you know live in Minnesota, because look, Minnesota

498
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: is like it's it's one of those states that has

499
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: an exceptional outdoor culture hunting and fishing and outdoor recreation,

500
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: and there's incredible resources there. So you know, there's a

501
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: heck of a lot of sportsmen and women uh in

502
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: the area. And you know, the reality is like April

503
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: is not the best time of year uh to enjoy

504
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: a lot of those things. So you know, I I

505
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: hope that there are a lot of you know, Minnesotan's

506
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: that maybe they're not VHA members, but they've heard of

507
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: the organization, they've heard about rendezvous, they want to see

508
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: what it's all about, and that they they're excited to

509
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: show up for the big gathering darn right.

510
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 2: And yeah, we'll have some great I know we'll be

511
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:21,479
Speaker 2: talking about renewable energy on public lands, and I know

512
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 2: we'll be talking about boundary waters and corner crossing and

513
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 2: a bunch of issues that BHA partakes in great opportunity

514
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 2: for folks to learn more about the organization and like

515
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 2: you said, be in a room with other folks that

516
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 2: are there for the same purpose, right, Uh, taking valuable

517
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: personal time to learn more, learn how to get involved,

518
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 2: and learn how to take action.

519
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's one of the huge benefits of Rendezvous. Right.

520
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: So you've got a bunch of fun stuff, right, key

521
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: calling contest. Uh, you know, you've got the field to

522
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: table dinner, a lot of kids activities, cal you've got

523
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: your own seminar how to use the whole animal, which

524
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: is awesome and people are going to love that stuff.

525
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: But there's there's also the opportunity to learn about some

526
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: of these important issues. And you know, we've added two

527
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: special seminars this year on this these threats to public

528
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: wildlife issues, and we've got some real leaders on that.

529
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: We've got Gasbar Para Cone from Colorado who's been involved

530
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: in these issues for a long time and really well

531
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: respected guy, to talk about what you can do in

532
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: your state when you're when you're seeing some of these

533
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: issues cropping up, or what you could even do you know,

534
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: absent that. But also we've got John Gassett, who was

535
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: a former fish wil life director from the state of

536
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: Kentucky and is now at the Wildlife Management Institute, And uh,

537
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: you know, is just a hoot. Man. I think folks

538
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: are really going to enjoy his seminar because he's not

539
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: only incredibly knowledgeable, but he's a really funny guy. And

540
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: he's just got this reverence without being unprofessional that I

541
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: think has put people at ease and makes it a

542
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: more interesting topic no matter what the heck he's talking about.

543
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, there's all the fun stuff mixed

544
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: in there, and then uh, you know some really important stuff,

545
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: including some of the topics that you mentioned.

546
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 2: Cal Well, uh, I guess we're talking it. It is Thursday.

547
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 2: We've We've had an awesome kind of for semi formal

548
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 2: night with some amazing chefs and wild food. And yeah

549
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 2: we got board meetings on Friday.

550
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there you go.

551
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, well shape shape the year for b h A tomorrow.

552
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: I'm pretty excited about the about the board meeting, man,

553
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: there's a lot to catch up on. Like I said, man,

554
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: we have been so busy as an organization, uh, getting

555
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: ready for uh for you know b h A two

556
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: point zero if you will, Uh, And so there's a

557
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: lot of there's a lot of stuff to catch up

558
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: on and and it's a really strong board and you know,

559
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: what I appreciate about our board is everybody is an active,

560
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 1: enthusiastic outdoors person who you know, in their own way

561
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: is a bad asset hunting and fishing. Uh. And that's

562
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: pretty cool because you know a lot of smart people

563
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: and have the ability to really connect with the mission

564
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: and connect with the our constituents and uh, you know

565
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: our members and you know the b ah A community.

566
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 1: So you know, it's uh, it's not it's not your

567
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: button down board. Uh you know, I mean, Cali, do

568
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: you even own it? Tie? Probably at least one.

569
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 2: Oh I have two clip ons which i'm and then

570
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 2: one one of the you know the ones that you

571
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 2: have to YouTube to figure out how to work.

572
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, right, so okay, so you have you have

573
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: at least something that's passable. But it's it's definitely more

574
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: of the active user board. So you know, it's like,

575
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: what was that there's a steakhouse in Texas or actually no,

576
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: it's outside of Denver, Colorado. If you go in with

577
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: a tie, they'll cut it off with a pair of scissors.

578
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: You know what, cal We actually might want to start

579
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: to institute that as a rendezvous policy. If you show

580
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: up at a tie, Ryan Callahan is gonna cut that

581
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: thing off with a pair of scissors, and if you

582
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: put another one on, he may try to cut it

583
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 1: off with a chainsaw. So it should be a good

584
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 1: to turn. I love it.

585
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great. Yeah, it's one of the coolest things

586
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 2: about Rendezvous for me is is it is just so

587
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 2: so different. It's young, lots of young families. We've been

588
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 2: watching a lot of these young families come up and

589
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,919
Speaker 2: mature over the years and popping kids out and still

590
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 2: staying involved. And it's it's cool. It's a it's a

591
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 2: neat thing, neat thing to be around, so you can

592
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 2: make it a priority.

593
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: I remember when I so when I was running Fish

594
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: and Wildlife Man, my boys were young, and I told

595
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: the governor when he appointed me, I'm like, just so

596
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm gonna hang out with these guys.

597
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep coaching their teams, and I'm gonna make

598
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: sure I'm home for dinner. And and then on the

599
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: flip side, you know, when I was on the Rubbert

600
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: Chicken dinner circuit going to banquets and that sort of thing,

601
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: or or outdoor shows. I took those guys everywhere, so

602
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: you can do it. And I love the fact that

603
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: a lot of the young BHA parents are have the

604
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: same idea in mine and they're excited and willing to

605
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: take uh you know, the little ones to uh to

606
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: to rendezvous.

607
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,959
Speaker 2: Darn right, Jordan, Yet you got anything to add here?

608
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: Yeah?

609
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 3: I We've talked a lot about kind of how BHA

610
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 3: and the state chapter are involved in the legislature, involved

611
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 3: in policy issues, but can you talk a little bit

612
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 3: about the on the ground conservation work that if you

613
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 3: join your chapter you're going to get an opportunity to

614
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 3: get involved in.

615
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: Man, I'm so glad you brought that up, and that's

616
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: a real miss on my part because that is something

617
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 1: that our chapters love to do. Now. We we do

618
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: have some really important projects with some federal grant money,

619
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: uh in parts of the Inner Mountain West to focus

620
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 1: on public land habitat restoration and sometimes just pulling fences.

621
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: And so you know, we'll get big groups of BHA

622
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: volunteers that will you know, go out there work together,

623
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 1: you know, pull pull a mile or two or five

624
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: of old, outdated, antiquated barbed wire fence. Uh. You know,

625
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: have a few beers, maybe listen to some music hangout.

626
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: I mean it's a it's a really good time and

627
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: and they're doing great work and you know, probably a

628
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 1: longer conversation for another time, but you know, the negative

629
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: impacts of what happened with some of those outdated fences

630
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: is pretty significant. Especially you know, you get deep snow

631
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: on the ground and they got no purchase to jump

632
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: over the fences. They get stuck on the barbed wire

633
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: and you can see, you know, carcasses of deer and

634
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: pronghorn and all kinds of critters, you know, line up

635
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: along the fence in the spring when the snow melts

636
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: and man our community of people, they just love being

637
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: part of that effort. But even beyond that, it's not

638
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 1: even just the official I'll put that in air quotes

639
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: stewardship projects we have. Most of our chapters do on

640
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: the ground work and get involved. I mean, look, I

641
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: was down you know at the Arkansas chapters Black Bear Bonanza,

642
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: which was a fantastic event and you know it's great

643
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: Klay Knukom did a live bear Grease episode. There was

644
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: about fifteen hundred people, you know at this event, and

645
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 1: at the end of the night, everybody and the leadership

646
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: of the chapter was, you know, having a nice glass

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Speaker 1: of whiskey and celebrating what a successful event it was.

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Speaker 1: But before they left, they said, oh, hang on, guys,

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Speaker 1: all right, we got to coordinate. We got to clean

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Speaker 1: up this wildlife management area in this location. So okay, hey, man,

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Speaker 1: let's all pat ourselves on the back for this kick

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Speaker 1: ass event, but let's plan for getting together and making

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Speaker 1: a difference, you know, on this piece of public land

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Speaker 1: that's right near where they a lot of them live,

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Speaker 1: And that happens all the time across the BHA community.

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Speaker 1: And the reason I'm glad you brought that up, Jordan,

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Speaker 1: is because, man, some people are allergic to legislatures and

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Speaker 1: politics and stuff like that, and they want to know

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Speaker 1: that they can make a difference and do something that's

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Speaker 1: more than just digging in on a policy issue, but

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Speaker 1: you know, getting together and making a difference on the

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Speaker 1: ground too. So you know, I guarantee if you were

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Speaker 1: to and a lot, by the way, a lot of

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Speaker 1: that infos on the website too, on the chapters will

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Speaker 1: have that information of where they're going to meet up

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Speaker 1: to have you focus on some kind of specific conservation project, planning,

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Speaker 1: clean up, you know, whatever too, So you know, folks

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Speaker 1: that are interested and get involved in joining BHA will

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Speaker 1: have the opportunity to take a look at that too.

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Speaker 2: Heck yeah, well, just in the the full disclosure. I

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Speaker 2: am a national board member for Backhuntry Hunters and Anglers,

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Speaker 2: and I'm as critical of the organization as ever. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: because I think that's part of the gig when you're

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Speaker 2: a board member. So I have all my interest in

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Speaker 2: keeping us on the straight and narrow and focused on

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Speaker 2: the things that I have near and dear to my heart,

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Speaker 2: which is if you're listening to this show, it's probably

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Speaker 2: no guess that I like my public lands my access

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Speaker 2: to them, amongst my long list of critters as well.

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Speaker 2: So thanks everybody so much for listening. Thank you so

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Speaker 2: much Patrick being on here. Uh and uh, if you

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Speaker 2: have any questions, please write into a s k C

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Speaker 2: A L that's ask Cal at themeeater dot com and

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Speaker 2: uh ask them. We'll get back to you. We'll get

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Speaker 2: Patrick back on here. And if you're in that greater

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Speaker 2: MSP twin Cities area, uh, come on down to Ronnie

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Speaker 2: and we'll see you Friday Saturday.

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Speaker 1: Hey, thanks so much for having me on Cal and

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Speaker 1: enjoyed hanging with you and Jordan.

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Speaker 2: Thank you,