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Speaker 1: Welcome back All the Smoke. Day two. We had a cool,
Speaker 1: little cool two days shoot in the new office be
Speaker 1: currently under construction. We get to finish it off strong
Speaker 1: with the man that that I don't think it's enough
Speaker 1: respect for his game, but also did a lot of
Speaker 1: first in this game for real, all and off the court.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, Brandon Jennings.
Speaker 2: My little brother, my real little brother.
Speaker 1: First, first of all, he came with gifts. This is
Speaker 1: a tough Crowd candle.
Speaker 2: Where can they find that at tough crowd dot com?
Speaker 3: Anthos, Yeah, we need some need we need.
Speaker 1: Some candles for the new place. What's tough crowd hat?
Speaker 2: What's auntie name? Squeaky Squeeze, Squeaky.
Speaker 1: Appreciate the candles he came with? Uh not everything Like
Speaker 1: he was a guest that came with gifts. We're supposed
Speaker 1: to get you ship. He came people, come with you.
Speaker 1: He came and blessed us.
Speaker 2: I mean, y'all, you know, y'all I needed I needed
Speaker 2: a tough cross wag though.
Speaker 1: I got me some new jeans.
Speaker 2: With the dog.
Speaker 1: I seen him with them and then jacket. It hurts
Speaker 1: my heart that this is the style that's coming back
Speaker 1: in the wide leg is coming back.
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, you know I'm in there that you know,
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, you wearing the house.
Speaker 1: Get with it, yeah, get with it and get left behind.
Speaker 3: But thank you, bro, that bro came through and stuff
Speaker 3: to tell Ray bullsh and you know you're gonna see
Speaker 3: Ray dude.
Speaker 1: Depending on how long he bullshit, he's gonna be doing
Speaker 1: cush ups right here.
Speaker 2: Dirty League anyway, So he's familiar.
Speaker 1: Already, know the violations he's with. I want to start
Speaker 1: with congratulations, man. You guys found your laying with Gills
Speaker 1: Arena special. Bro. You know when people say like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's so many different I feel like there can never
Speaker 1: be enough because we all have different journeys, different experiences,
Speaker 1: you know, different stories to talk about. And you guys
Speaker 1: definitely have one of the hottest shows in this space.
Speaker 1: How did that come about? I mean cause that's kind
Speaker 1: of a we're talking that's kind of like a different
Speaker 1: kind of crew, you know what I mean? Like you
Speaker 1: Josiah Kmart burnt get burnt out, Guil, Like, how did
Speaker 1: that all that madness yack come together?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, we all live by each other. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so that definitely works. You know the fact that you
Speaker 2: know we can Rashad Josiah. We all live around each other,
Speaker 2: so it's easy for us to you know, get to
Speaker 2: the podcast every day. You know, Gil he likes to
Speaker 2: think everything basketball. So we go at eleven thirty because
Speaker 2: that's what time we would practice and we're doing that too.
Speaker 1: Said, I was like, what time y'all go eleven thirty two,
Speaker 1: just like practice, Like damn I started, I think. I
Speaker 1: was like, damn, that really is practice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean it's very like NBA settings and
Speaker 2: four days a week he'sat yeah, four days a week.
Speaker 2: And it's been great. Man, it's been good. You know,
Speaker 2: we on season three. Now, you know we're very controversial,
Speaker 2: but you know, hey man, we just like to keep
Speaker 2: the hostel.
Speaker 3: That's been great, keeping hostle for for dominant for dominant
Speaker 3: versus basketball mind the personality.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, we got Lexi Brown, we got show
Speaker 2: swoops Nick there. So it's a whole big basketball like
Speaker 2: family community.
Speaker 1: So for those who don't really know Gills behind the
Speaker 1: scenes basketball evil genius mind, speak to that and and
Speaker 1: how he kind of runs this ship because he kind
Speaker 1: of started off by itself and then it's grown.
Speaker 2: Into the team you guys have.
Speaker 3: Now, let me tell you before you start, let me
Speaker 3: take this type of person guilt is me and Gill
Speaker 3: will go at it on Instagram and buy some ship.
Speaker 2: Then later on I get a d M from bro.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you how to get this money. So
Speaker 2: you go to this. You got to start this page
Speaker 2: and start this page. I'm gonna say this.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you he's one of the smartest people as well.
Speaker 2: He's very detailed, you know, like he's always talking. First
Speaker 2: of all, he loves the game, like you know, he
Speaker 2: knows every detail of every player, how many times you
Speaker 2: go right, how many times you go over to the
Speaker 2: left shoulder, right shoulder. So his just detailed to the
Speaker 2: craft of the game. And you know how he honors
Speaker 2: his craft is is Uh, it's easy for us. I'm
Speaker 2: learning a lot game, you know, just being around you know,
Speaker 2: everybody because they're older. So you know, I'm the youngest,
Speaker 2: you know, on the couch. So it's uh, you know,
Speaker 2: it's cool just to be around those basketball mines.
Speaker 3: So comptent upbringing you was competing against some stars and
Speaker 3: some older guys coming up.
Speaker 2: That's how you got good.
Speaker 3: But how was it coming up in l A and
Speaker 3: Compton on the basketball scene at a young age?
Speaker 2: Man, It was dope. I mean I got a chance
Speaker 2: to see Tyson Chandler. Ye uh, you know, Tyson Chandler
Speaker 2: was the guy in Compton like he's escalating high school.
Speaker 2: You know, comptent to me gains, you know, powerhouse at
Speaker 2: the bag in high school.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, man, you know out of high school man,
Speaker 3: you know escalate, you know it was it was a
Speaker 3: white escalating Compton when the.
Speaker 2: First came. We never seen nothing like that. So just
Speaker 2: being around him, being around like to say, no, being
Speaker 2: around the real run, being around the Drew League and
Speaker 2: things like that, it just helped shake my game a lot.
Speaker 2: And then you know, just being around all the older competition.
Speaker 2: You know, I love to play, you know against the
Speaker 2: older competition, going to UCLA, Le Rico and all those
Speaker 2: guys like that. So I've always been around the older,
Speaker 2: the older competition.
Speaker 3: Running the street says to trying to create your own
Speaker 3: name as a basketball player, How was it being in
Speaker 3: l A doing the three P.
Speaker 2: That was crazy, man, Like, like that was because you
Speaker 2: know he was young. Yeah, I was young. So being
Speaker 2: able to see Shaq and Kobe and you know Phil
Speaker 2: Jackson and running the triangle and all that, and you
Speaker 2: know them moving from the Forum to the Staples Center
Speaker 2: and you know all that was crazy back then, Like
Speaker 2: you couldn't tell us nothing about the Lakers or you
Speaker 2: know Shaq and Kobe back then. Yeah, yeah, it was
Speaker 2: it was domination.
Speaker 3: It's been I know a lot of high school point guards,
Speaker 3: you know from LA, you know, and I got you
Speaker 3: at the top. You know some other guys. What would
Speaker 3: you rate the top five LA point guards? Who would
Speaker 3: you put in the top five?
Speaker 2: So are we talking about overall career?
Speaker 1: No high school?
Speaker 2: High school? High school? Just high school? Yeah, I'm definitely
Speaker 2: gonna put myself in there. Yeah number one.
Speaker 1: We're at the because we had a real debate. We
Speaker 1: were splitting half.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: They were debating whether it was you or BD. And
Speaker 1: that's the hell of a comp right there.
Speaker 2: I said, you had a better high school career, but
Speaker 2: be but Bed had a better overall career. Yeah, for sure,
Speaker 2: Red had a better overall career, but high school I'm
Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna say myself because as you should not
Speaker 2: even man like the competition. I felt like I played
Speaker 2: in high school, you know, from going from Domingus, from
Speaker 2: going to playing s c A with with Kevin Love
Speaker 2: and then going from there, then going straight to Okill,
Speaker 2: then going from all that then going straight to Italy.
Speaker 2: It was just like, I just think the path is
Speaker 2: just so like unique and different than.
Speaker 1: Who were some of the guys that ended up making
Speaker 1: the league that you were playing during that time.
Speaker 2: Man, you have to go Jew Holiday, De mar De Rozan,
Speaker 2: you know, James Harden, h O j Meil, Derrick Rose,
Speaker 2: Michael Beess, Lead, Nolan Smith h you know, Mike Conley,
Speaker 2: Gregman Roll, I mean yeah, Gregman Roll, Greg Oden. You know,
Speaker 2: I've seen the best of the best. He was tough.
Speaker 2: I played against a lot of Michael Beasley like, I
Speaker 2: played against a lot of great guys.
Speaker 3: So go back to the question five, Top five, Top five,
Speaker 3: I got yourself number one for myself, I got uh,
Speaker 3: I got b D second Yeah, point guards out of
Speaker 3: l A.
Speaker 2: Man in high school Kenny Lowes, see, I didn't see that.
Speaker 1: He's young.
Speaker 2: I see them. Yeah yeah, So give me your top three.
Speaker 2: So so for me, it would have to be like
Speaker 2: out of l A Like it had to be Uh.
Speaker 2: He went to Loan Beach, I just had his name.
Speaker 2: Went to Loan Beach, probably with the throw back in
Speaker 2: the day, Wesley Stokes Stokes. Where do you go to
Speaker 2: college yet? Were he went to Missouri Missouri? Yeah, man
Speaker 2: went to Missouri. Wesley Stokes I used to and Marcus
Speaker 2: Williams Marcus that's my dog bro Lose out of Inglewood
Speaker 2: Losion man.
Speaker 1: Yeah he's still young, yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: And then another one that's a sleeper that people don't know.
Speaker 2: But I saw him play one time and he just
Speaker 2: I was like, Yo, this guy is crazy killing fortune.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah he was. He went to kill Patrick, but
Speaker 2: he was. I saw him play against Sarah one one
Speaker 2: game and that's just I was like, Yo, this die
Speaker 2: is the real guy. He's a real deal.
Speaker 3: Do you think you have the hardest hoop mixtape of
Speaker 3: all time? Think any any player has a harder mixtape
Speaker 3: to you?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say no, because my favorite ever is a
Speaker 2: kill Car from Baltimore because just the fact that when
Speaker 2: he played, all the crime in Baltimore stopped, like that's
Speaker 2: a bar that people don't even and everybody know about
Speaker 2: the Baltimore or the Wire and how Baltimore is. So
Speaker 2: the fact that that kid to stop the whole city
Speaker 2: to go have a good time and nobody do nothing
Speaker 2: like killers, like y'all next week now he playing something,
Speaker 2: you know, not today, not today, but next week to
Speaker 2: kill play you know. So I killed Car, he got
Speaker 2: like the best one to me. Yeah that's fine.
Speaker 1: Shout So walk us through your journey because it was
Speaker 1: very unique from obviously playing at legendary high schools from
Speaker 1: you know, Compton, Domingas to o'kill and then deciding to
Speaker 1: take your talents over the water, which had never been done.
Speaker 1: You opted not to go to college. But talk to
Speaker 1: us about that process. What led you from Domingus Hills
Speaker 1: to Okill? What was o'kill like and then what was
Speaker 1: Italy like? Because I heard a lot of racism out there,
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of bullshit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, well, Domingus. You know, I grew up in
Speaker 2: the Dominga's family with Tyson Chandlers, so that was already
Speaker 2: a given that I was going to go there. But
Speaker 2: then the competition to me just got too easy. You know.
Speaker 2: I was doing things in high school, like you know
Speaker 2: the Home Depot Center and Carson you know they have
Speaker 2: the soccers. At first it was a training facility for
Speaker 2: for young's like myself to do cross training. So and
Speaker 2: then uh, my guy Rodney Guillery, he had this he
Speaker 2: had this basketball tournament. O Kill came and that was
Speaker 2: the first time I seen Okill live. It was Katie
Speaker 2: kt was there. KT was like I thought Katie was
Speaker 2: from Africa or so I'm like, you know, because he
Speaker 2: was skinny, he was tall, Like I'm saying, you know,
Speaker 2: they had Eric Devendor. They went to I think Syracuse
Speaker 2: and they had Ty Lawson. So after I saw them,
Speaker 2: I was just like, bro, like what is this like
Speaker 2: O kill like and he was like, man, all they
Speaker 2: do is just play basketball all day. They just go
Speaker 2: to school and play basketball like this is they played
Speaker 2: against the best competition ever. And I was telling my
Speaker 2: guy ridnet Gilly, I was like, well, I want to
Speaker 2: go there, and he was like, nah, nah, I can't
Speaker 2: do it, Like I can't you know, I can't be
Speaker 2: in the mix of that. And I was like, nah,
Speaker 2: I want to go like real, like I want to
Speaker 2: get away from you know, the city, like everything is.
Speaker 2: I'm getting everything handed to me, like you know, I
Speaker 2: got cars in high school, I'm getting chained, I'm getting
Speaker 2: whatever I want. So I'm not really I don't really
Speaker 2: have the discipline and I don't have a father figure. So
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, I'm like, mom, I think this
Speaker 2: is the best thing for me to go there. So
Speaker 2: that's how happened. So I go to OKL for two years.
Speaker 2: The first time I get there, I'm like, y'all want
Speaker 2: to go home, Like this is not not it, It's
Speaker 2: ain't it. Like like the last thing I saw was
Speaker 2: a Walmart, in a in a McDonald's in the gas station,
Speaker 2: and we went forty five minutes and it's like yo, no, and.
Speaker 3: You get here and it's a line that you can't
Speaker 3: cross with the girls. That yeah, with the girls that
Speaker 3: oh it's we on one side of the campus and
Speaker 3: the girls.
Speaker 2: On the other side. You get that gun line, man,
Speaker 2: you can get down the linet. That gun line. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the gun line. So we just have a sneak on
Speaker 2: our side. So yeah, but yeah, like my first month,
Speaker 2: it was kind of tough. But man, Nolan smith Man,
Speaker 2: he was you know, he was already a veteran. You know,
Speaker 2: he was already vet there from playing there last year
Speaker 2: and on his pool. You know, he turned my game up,
Speaker 2: Like he really got my mindset to a different level.
Speaker 2: So I was playing basketball.
Speaker 1: N I L. Obviously it's something very new, but you
Speaker 1: were in the ni L when you were you were
Speaker 1: making the n I L before the name was n
Speaker 1: I L was invented. Yeah, talk to us about what
Speaker 1: kind of you know, not the brand, but what kind
Speaker 1: of money When you're a young kid at this time,
Speaker 1: you're getting money, cars changed.
Speaker 2: What kind of money were you getting money? I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, like I mean, like to me, I mean yeah,
Speaker 2: like I mean, but growing up, I mean, come on, man,
Speaker 2: like you know, everybody's getting paid now, but you know
Speaker 2: you're going back in the day where it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: you see Sebastian Telfair and Lebron James on the cover
Speaker 2: in high school with tattoos and chains and they got
Speaker 2: a dtus on and you see Lebron James on ESPN
Speaker 2: with an estimator, you know, all this stuff. You know,
Speaker 2: when it's my time, I'm like, you know, I want
Speaker 2: the same thing. So if not more, you know that
Speaker 2: that motivated me to you know, one of all those things,
Speaker 2: and all those things happened. You know, I had houses,
Speaker 2: cars and you know sidekicks.
Speaker 1: And I heard like two fifty yeah, but it was
Speaker 1: from okill, Okay. It was just yeah yeah, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: ok atay that they're.
Speaker 2: Not about to say nothing, no not. I mean I mean,
Speaker 2: like i mean, listen, if two fifty or whatever, it
Speaker 2: felt like it. I just felt like, you know, like
Speaker 2: it and you know I knew what basketball was doing
Speaker 2: for my family, and you know that was my hustle.
Speaker 2: Like and it is what it is like. You know,
Speaker 2: we ain't had no I ain't no father figure, like
Speaker 2: you know my mom was, you know, barely being able
Speaker 2: to make end. So I have to, you know, go
Speaker 2: out there and get it.
Speaker 3: Talk about the platform that ok will put you on,
Speaker 3: because I know what it did for me, the platform.
Speaker 3: I was the same player leaving there as a junior
Speaker 3: going into my senior year. Yeah, but leaving there as
Speaker 3: known worldwide. Talk about what Okill Dop has a basketball player.
Speaker 3: I mean, you're playing against the best competition ever.
Speaker 2: It's eight against five every night, right, Like, we're not
Speaker 2: like Coach Smith, he ain't putting this in position where
Speaker 2: all right, man, we're gonna go play this this in
Speaker 2: this town and we're just gonna win. It's like, no,
Speaker 2: we're gonna play against eight against five. The rest is
Speaker 2: not on our side and y'all gonna figure it out.
Speaker 2: So it's basically like we have to really think IQ
Speaker 2: and we have to make quick decisions in games. Like
Speaker 2: you know, you've been in situations those games where you like,
Speaker 2: there's no way we win it. Tonight and you figure
Speaker 2: out a way to win and we you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, like a team like so, like I feel
Speaker 2: like the team aspect it was great too, because that's
Speaker 2: all we had. Like you know, we're going on a
Speaker 2: you know trip with Burley and you know, Coach Smith
Speaker 2: and you know it's only eight of us. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's only fifteen of us. So but yeah, man, the
Speaker 2: competition playing on ESPN, the Jordans, uh, you know all
Speaker 2: the Jordans we was getting. It was crazy back in
Speaker 2: the day. But nah, man, just the competition practicing every
Speaker 2: day everybody you're going against a D one, Like nobody's
Speaker 2: going D two, so you got to be somebody.
Speaker 1: Y'all went forty one and one at Okaill remember who
Speaker 1: that one losses against?
Speaker 2: It went forty and one and that was against Derrick Rose.
Speaker 2: And that was like a game. Like I was just saying,
Speaker 2: why would you schedule it?
Speaker 3: Right, you know, Coach Smith being Coach Smith, He's like, no,
Speaker 3: We're going to go in Chicago and beat Darren Rose
Speaker 3: in Chicago.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, there's no way. There's just no way.
Speaker 1: What was that game?
Speaker 2: Like, I mean, yeah, no, d Rose was on one
Speaker 2: were you on one? Yeah, I got on one towards
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter at like nineteen and the fourth I
Speaker 2: got going late, but it was just it was just
Speaker 2: the atmosphere. You know, you could just tell, you know,
Speaker 2: one of them games ESPN. You know, everybody from Nike's
Speaker 2: in there, Sonny, but Carol's in there. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: the show down. I'm like, yeah, I get it. You know,
Speaker 2: Jarri Brose went to ABCD camp, so you know, here's
Speaker 2: his favorite. Yeah. You know, you just on National TV.
Speaker 2: That's what I think now that I'm in the you know,
Speaker 2: the you know the media game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, USC and Arizona. When to mix for college? Any
Speaker 3: other schools?
Speaker 2: K I was gonna go to Yukon because of Marcus
Speaker 2: Martins went there, right, Yeah, so I was going to
Speaker 2: go there, and you know, actually that's why I went
Speaker 2: to Okill two because he went there also. But yeah,
Speaker 2: Yukon was only tough. I had verbally committed to s
Speaker 2: C first with Tim Floyd, and then I had de committed.
Speaker 2: I remember, so Tim Floyd had came up to he
Speaker 2: had came up to Okill and it was me and him.
Speaker 2: Steve Smith was sitting in the office and Tim Floyd's like,
Speaker 2: so are you gonna come or not? And I'm like
Speaker 2: I'm like nah, Like you know, I want to weigh
Speaker 2: my options. Like you know, this is when I got
Speaker 2: to o Kill and I'm like things could change like
Speaker 2: for me. So I just remember Tim Floyd walking out
Speaker 2: and never hear from him again like after that, like
Speaker 2: fuck you. But yeah, man, then you know Arizona was
Speaker 2: close to home. I wanted to go to Arizona because
Speaker 2: you know point Guard, you you know, Gilbert went there,
Speaker 2: Mike Bibbie, you know Jason, you know Dame, you know everything,
Speaker 2: Slim Start Liners, so a lot of guys. So I
Speaker 2: was just like, yo that that was definitely the school
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 3: First American player to Byplass College and go overseas. Yeah,
Speaker 3: what came into that process.
Speaker 2: Sunny mc carroll and Michael Thompson, Klay Thompson. Dad shout
Speaker 2: out to Clay Thompson and Michael Thompson. I've been doing
Speaker 2: them for a long time for s c A. But
Speaker 2: me and my mom, Man, I had just graduated from
Speaker 2: Oak Hill. Uh you know, I didn't pass that SAT.
Speaker 2: So I was trying to figure out what I was
Speaker 2: finna do. We're sitting in trafficking. Michael Thompson is talking
Speaker 2: about with Sundy mccroll, like, why don't kids just go
Speaker 2: overseas like skip on college, like make the n C
Speaker 2: double a, you know, pay make them, you know, make
Speaker 2: some moves. So I'm like, sitting there, I'm like, well, mom,
Speaker 2: like we ain't really doing nothing, like you know, we
Speaker 2: got to try to figure this out. So we called
Speaker 2: Senny mc carroll. Uh, you know, got in contact with
Speaker 2: Sidney mc carrol. Sonny, Sonny flies me to we fly
Speaker 2: to Vegas. Were up in an Impact with Joe. I'm
Speaker 2: working out with j R. Smith this one Jared Smith
Speaker 2: with Denver, So you know j R. Up in there, Duncan.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm like, well it's own up in here.
Speaker 2: You know Dante, you know wild Dante Jones him been
Speaker 2: there slapping the floor. This is young. He ain't ready, man,
Speaker 2: go to college younger. You know. He talking all that.
Speaker 2: And I went out there, did my thing and then
Speaker 2: I signed Italy mm hmm, like writing like a week.
Speaker 2: Sonny had that thing like, you know, shout out Sonny
Speaker 2: man Carol the Godfather. He had that whole thing set
Speaker 2: up for me. Him and Bill Duffy. I wasn't in Neely.
Speaker 2: I was off the chain.
Speaker 3: Man, I'm going to I'm going to soon. I need
Speaker 3: joking next to but tell me about it.
Speaker 2: I mean it was. I mean I was nineteen, you know,
Speaker 2: I had my mom my brother, but eating Italian food
Speaker 2: every day. I mean it's off the change, dog like
Speaker 2: it's different. Like it's like, yo, you you eat Italian
Speaker 2: food over there, you're gonna think. You're gonna be like, man,
Speaker 2: this ain't real Italian food, so you're gonna just the culture. Though,
Speaker 2: was able to suck up the culture. I shot my
Speaker 2: first commercial out front of the what is it, the
Speaker 2: the Colosseum and everything, so it was cool. Man, you'll
Speaker 2: like it, you'll love it. Make sure you take a
Speaker 2: lot of pictures.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I definitely will talk about this picture right here.
Speaker 2: Slam punks. Yeah, this is uh yeah, man, this is
Speaker 2: one of We shot this in New York City at
Speaker 2: the lead twenty four. Yeah, this is I think one
Speaker 2: of my first slam punks like this is this is
Speaker 2: iconic because this is just taking me back to when
Speaker 2: Sebastian Telford and Lebron James was on the cover of
Speaker 2: Slam magazine. And being on the cover with these legends
Speaker 2: like Jew Holliday. He's a legend. Terick Evans, you know,
Speaker 2: he was one of the most feared.
Speaker 1: He was so cold.
Speaker 2: Rookie of the year, you know, Rookie of the year.
Speaker 2: You know, he's one of the most He was six
Speaker 2: three six four guards can get on anybody. Yeah, if
Speaker 2: he didn't get hurt, you know.
Speaker 1: And make them dance lands.
Speaker 2: Yeah and Lance, yes, out out of Brooklyn. But yeah,
Speaker 2: nah man, that was dope. That's a That's an iconic
Speaker 2: moment right there for.
Speaker 3: Us, first ever ever singing to shoot with under Me
Speaker 3: and doll of contract. We'll talk about that first Sonny
Speaker 3: bit Carol again, was it Sonny Sonny again?
Speaker 2: Sonny curl again? He had the whole thing set up
Speaker 2: and shout out Christone too, man, Christone, he's a he
Speaker 2: was the one that that signed me to darmoer to
Speaker 2: he he uh, he created the lead twenty four game.
Speaker 2: So I'm signing my deal right, I'm signing my deal
Speaker 2: in Italy. I just signed my deal Italy. They give me,
Speaker 2: you know, sign my deal. They say, all right, we're
Speaker 2: gonna go. I meet Christone in the lobby at the
Speaker 2: Wind and Christine was like, Yo, you know, I just
Speaker 2: got the job with the n Darmer. You know, we
Speaker 2: think about going into basketball. I'm like, like, protect his house,
Speaker 2: like you know, like you don't Like, I'm like, we
Speaker 2: must protect this house. Like I'm like, hell no, like
Speaker 2: I'm niked like and he's like, nah, for real, like
Speaker 2: you know, So he took me to the took me
Speaker 2: to the USA game. This is when the USA is
Speaker 2: gonna go to. This is Kobe when Kobe wait Dean.
Speaker 2: So we out there and we're just talking and this
Speaker 2: what made me change my mind. So we're sitting in
Speaker 2: the lobby right and Christone is talking to West, Uncle West,
Speaker 2: you know, world Wild West, world Wide West. I shout
Speaker 2: out to the world West, and you know they're in competition,
Speaker 2: you know, Nike, you know Stoney, you know Stoney's News.
Speaker 2: So he's like, you know, he's excited. He's like, you know,
Speaker 2: I just signed with were about to go basketball, you know,
Speaker 2: we about to get y'all run for your money. And
Speaker 2: you know, uh, you know, West is like looking at
Speaker 2: you know, Stony showed West to shoot West goul That
Speaker 2: ain't it? You know, He's like that ain't it? And
Speaker 2: I'm just looking, you know, young. I'm like okay, Like
Speaker 2: you know, I'm like and so me and Stony we
Speaker 2: get back in the car. We go back. He was like, Yo,
Speaker 2: so what you want. I'm like yo, I'm damn yo,
Speaker 2: let's do this. Like I'm like like yo. I was like, Yo,
Speaker 2: We're gonna change the culture. We're gonna I'm about to
Speaker 2: change the culture with what I'm doing and going overseas,
Speaker 2: Like let's change the culture in the football department, you know,
Speaker 2: let's do something different. So that's how it happened. What's
Speaker 2: your best sound on the shoe? The blood line? Bloodline,
Speaker 2: And I've seen the bloodline being you know, I've seen
Speaker 2: little Paul George, you know, he had a little bloodline
Speaker 2: inspiration daring to Fox.
Speaker 1: So you're kind of acting like, oh damn, I got
Speaker 1: my own shoe. Like, bro, you had your own So
Speaker 1: first of all, you don't go to college, you go
Speaker 1: do something else, and then you come into the league
Speaker 1: with your own shoe, Like where are you at? Like
Speaker 1: you have to pinch yourself or this is all a
Speaker 1: part of the process for you far as what just
Speaker 1: real life, you know what I mean? Like you didn't
Speaker 1: go to college. Yeah, you made that work your top
Speaker 1: ten pick. Yeah, and then you come into the game
Speaker 1: with your own shoe, Like not too many people get
Speaker 1: to do that.
Speaker 2: I was just riding a wave, man, like you know,
Speaker 2: but through it all, like you know, through it all,
Speaker 2: I just wish I was more spiritual though through it all, man,
Speaker 2: like I wish I would have not never like you know,
Speaker 2: know what you know now? Yeah, like know what I
Speaker 2: know now and have my surroundings. I'm not saying I
Speaker 2: didn't have good people, just swished I would have like
Speaker 2: hundered my craft more and being able to recognize the
Speaker 2: good people around like through it all, like I was
Speaker 2: so like just and like at his fault too, Like
Speaker 2: I never really had a chance to like just have
Speaker 2: a moment to myself, Like remember I went from Italy
Speaker 2: to coming back, having to work out for fifteen teams,
Speaker 2: get drafted, do photo shoots with under a rookie like
Speaker 2: start the scout scows, Like it was never no time
Speaker 2: of just like all right, Brandon, have a moment, Like
Speaker 2: it was just like work, work, work, work, work, and
Speaker 2: through all that I just got caught up in it
Speaker 2: a lot too.
Speaker 3: Did your relationship with Steff start before before before given
Speaker 3: fifty five.
Speaker 2: For sure, I was there, remember, yeah, Yeah, I was there.
Speaker 2: I was. I was.
Speaker 1: You decided to go to that game that night or
Speaker 1: I played. I was.
Speaker 2: I was killing the game. He just had fifty five.
Speaker 2: Yeah he was, Yeah he was. And then we had
Speaker 2: dinner later.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we went every night to combine you sixty.
Speaker 2: I was on the Warriors.
Speaker 1: Oh he was on the other team. Was okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was on the other side of stuff.
Speaker 2: In my take all that I've seen it.
Speaker 1: Take that fifty five, that was your rookie year second
Speaker 1: seven years.
Speaker 2: That's because Rico. He shot Rico Hines. I keep telling
Speaker 2: Rico ever since. Rico told me that a half time
Speaker 2: he said, yeah, this report I had locking you up.
Speaker 2: I had so added fifty five. Yeah we did. We
Speaker 2: couldn't do nothing with him though. That night.
Speaker 3: It was just coming off the pick a roll. It
Speaker 3: ain't no shot ice on it was. It was a
Speaker 3: lot of it was nasty. It was bad you over here.
Speaker 3: There was a lot of that going on.
Speaker 2: Well we ended up together. Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: I get over here a year later, right, it's two year,
Speaker 3: two years later, two years lockout, Yeah, twos. Because our
Speaker 3: first game was in Charlotte.
Speaker 1: Is this when he was doing your mixtape.
Speaker 2: I was in full rap mode. Time was yes contract,
Speaker 2: but I was in yes, yes, it was so we
Speaker 2: were red five on every road. It was bad. You know.
Speaker 3: I was in my bad Listen our first let's I'll
Speaker 3: never forget our first. Our first game is Charlotte. We
Speaker 3: pulled up to the hotel the fourth season. It's a
Speaker 3: red fan of a red uh, a red range over.
Speaker 3: I think a red band.
Speaker 2: Everybody like, oh, I know, I said, I know this, car.
Speaker 2: I said, I got a concert tonight. What I gotta
Speaker 2: what do I can't do it, I cannot do it.
Speaker 2: I said, Yo, I gotta get this money. I got
Speaker 2: a concert. I got what's the lockout?
Speaker 3: What's the lockout?
Speaker 4: Here?
Speaker 3: He is not lying, he is not lying. I was
Speaker 3: in full red mother Dog in one of the clubs,
Speaker 3: little clubs. I was getting booked, baby.
Speaker 2: He was getting off for real. No, no sold out.
Speaker 2: I wasn't doing no. I went. I would have been Miami.
Speaker 2: It was lit, there was hey.
Speaker 3: There wasn't advertising because we was in there doing wen't
Speaker 3: supposed to be doing dog.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you it was. We was in Miami. Let
Speaker 2: he was up there perforeman.
Speaker 3: Crazy whatever whatever, going crazy?
Speaker 1: You were you guys playing the game, and he was
Speaker 1: at the concert the same night, and then he was
Speaker 1: meeting the Master.
Speaker 3: No, when I played on the team, when I was
Speaker 3: at home, they'll play games when I was sitting out
Speaker 3: and me and him a meet up at rest of.
Speaker 2: One one and then we'll go out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we do all that. When I wasn't playing. I was,
Speaker 3: I was on the team, but I just wasn't going
Speaker 3: to the game. I was promoting my mixtape during my downtime.
Speaker 2: I remember that. Yes time he'd be like, Yo, meet
Speaker 2: me at the one after all. Right, Man, hey, I'm
Speaker 2: finna go.
Speaker 3: I'm finel Hey, I'm finna go further with you. When
Speaker 3: they played, when we played the Lakers, I was at home.
Speaker 3: I had a show that night, doing that night, and
Speaker 3: then I went out with him a Kobe in my
Speaker 3: line at home.
Speaker 2: I'm going to know pa next tape that was getting
Speaker 2: by the bucks. But I wasn't going to no games.
Speaker 3: The scouts, miss scouts, guys couldn't couldn't see how that
Speaker 3: if you put it up, there's gonna be so many
Speaker 3: mixtapes because I got about fifty of them bitches.
Speaker 2: But that's when I'm right there. Yo. Let's say it
Speaker 2: was yes yo open I got. I got a video
Speaker 2: with the fresh man Tana beat about yes bro open
Speaker 2: practice practice like game days. Look look at that sold out.
Speaker 3: That's the sold out that's in milwalking right there after
Speaker 3: the game. They what you mean, secret society who.
Speaker 2: They're everywhere? You never know? Look everywhere? Was that was
Speaker 2: that six one eight with the Lady Bucks? Yes, yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: in my bag.
Speaker 1: That's when he had his highway patrol mustag Hooper slash.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, Ron Jerry, that's hooper slash. That's when I
Speaker 2: was a hooper slash. Fo was over and I don't know.
Speaker 2: I have a platinum record too. By the way, already yeah, already.
Speaker 2: On every road trip, we're not wearing no green all
Speaker 2: read red.
Speaker 3: He had red Jordan's red uh red knee passed red
Speaker 3: red sleeves.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Trim Walkee man.
Speaker 3: I appreciate the love y'all show me and BJ man,
Speaker 3: y'all took care of me and BJ.
Speaker 2: We had a good time. Yes, that's the one we
Speaker 2: had the one cracking.
Speaker 3: Shout out to the but hey, but I want to
Speaker 3: I want to give you a problem. I want to
Speaker 3: say thank you because I saw you on Gilzarena. You
Speaker 3: said that when Stack came Milwaukee, I learned how to move.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I appreciate that because I remember.
Speaker 3: I remember when we first got there. I was like, man,
Speaker 3: y'alln't have no fun about his mother. Y'all don't hang
Speaker 3: out anohing, no fu this BJ we going out tonight,
Speaker 3: and the.
Speaker 2: Whole team term, the whole vibe of the team turn.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I needed that. I need that for sure. I was
Speaker 3: I was hooping. I just needed some energy.
Speaker 2: Though it was it was doing nothing, like we didn't
Speaker 2: really have nothing until you showed me how to move
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh this, I'm moving now.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so cancel Christmas.
Speaker 2: Basketball for was easy backtrack a little bit.
Speaker 1: Tenth pick in the two thousand and nine drafts to
Speaker 1: the Bucks, same draft as Steph Harden, Tyree Uh, Tyreek Evans,
Speaker 1: Drew Holliday. I think Blake was the number one pick
Speaker 1: in that draft, right Griffin, you get to Milwaukee with
Speaker 1: your first impressions out there before jackets.
Speaker 2: There tri Milwaukee, we named it that they got to
Speaker 2: give us our props. We named it Trilwaukee. I mean
Speaker 2: I embraced it the city. I mean like I came
Speaker 2: from Okill, Italy. I just was happy I was in
Speaker 2: the NBA.
Speaker 1: First thing to come to mind when I mentioned these
Speaker 1: players mante Ellis.
Speaker 2: Score Litho back forward to get bullet like, yeah, downhill,
Speaker 2: good luck, No real like he's coming down.
Speaker 3: You just it's nothing you can do. Good luck today
Speaker 3: and if you get right, it's definitely yeah. It don't
Speaker 3: even I don't care where you at. He's getting to
Speaker 3: that right.
Speaker 1: Hand and he's gonna Dunkley shout out bro Jim Boiling
Speaker 1: slick back, Jim Boyling right there. Fuck that one. They
Speaker 1: thought they were doing something.
Speaker 2: Scott Scott, I ain't, no, no, no, nope. He might not.
Speaker 2: Let me say something about Jim. I'm on the neils.
Speaker 3: Jim was cool. Scott went the last that long. If
Speaker 3: you didn't had Jim over there, let's talk about that.
Speaker 3: Jim was a solid guy. He had been around and
Speaker 3: he knew why. He had a great relationship with players.
Speaker 3: He was one of those coaches that knew how to
Speaker 3: talk to players, even being a white coach. Scott lacked
Speaker 3: that so that's why he needed to have Jim around.
Speaker 3: Shout out to Gym because you saved Scott.
Speaker 1: So now make me feel bad for saying fuck that
Speaker 1: one and my bad Jim Scott Skoyles for you, b
Speaker 1: not that this interview.
Speaker 2: For me, I got that wrong already. For me, he
Speaker 2: was good for me because of his mentality of what
Speaker 2: he brought as like starting point guard from coming from
Speaker 2: Italy and not playing at all. He really helped me
Speaker 2: my rookie year. I think that's why it was so
Speaker 2: successful too. You know, we were like sixth in the
Speaker 2: East Milwaukee made the playoffs in eight years. But he
Speaker 2: was I think his coaching and his uh you know,
Speaker 2: the fact that he held me accountable for a lot
Speaker 2: of things even after the fifty five point game, like
Speaker 2: we came back and watched him the next day of
Speaker 2: how I can get better and things like that. Kurt
Speaker 2: Thomas too, you know, one of the one of my
Speaker 2: great bets. So yeah those.
Speaker 3: Kurt was a big time college scorer too. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 3: he's buckets. Yeah yeah, like the scoring right tu. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna ask this name with this dog vogues and.
Speaker 2: I wish I had more time to play truth if
Speaker 2: he doesn't get hurt, we get Patlanta in the first round.
Speaker 2: So I just that name right there, Bo get is healthy.
Speaker 2: I'm probably still I've probably been in Milwaukee longer.
Speaker 1: Explain his game to those who know how how he played,
Speaker 1: how his mindset.
Speaker 2: Like he's one of them, Like I'm coming down right.
Speaker 2: We used to run like five out or like uh,
Speaker 2: five down. Also on the ball, he can go and
Speaker 2: get to it and shoot it left or right hand.
Speaker 2: Great defender, uh, great pick and role player and just
Speaker 2: had a knowledge for the game. Like just just wish
Speaker 2: I had more time with him, Me and my right mind.
Speaker 3: The mold he was in and the healthy Andrew Boga,
Speaker 3: we could have did some stuff in min walk. It
Speaker 3: just didn't work, you know what I'm saying, the time
Speaker 3: and everything, But that's what I was excited about getting
Speaker 3: traded there, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: The point go out and had a real big man
Speaker 2: that could do it all, like Bully could do it all.
Speaker 2: It just didn't work, like he's like come down, just
Speaker 2: give it to him and he'll make a play and
Speaker 2: go like yeah, it was. It was sick.
Speaker 1: Larry Sanders, same thing.
Speaker 2: Wish I had more time, because he was that dog
Speaker 2: if you had if we would have had Larry and
Speaker 2: Boget together, like that's just scary. Larry already he already
Speaker 2: wanted to take everybody head of Yeah, so he's our
Speaker 2: Draymond Green, like you knows he's that Draymond Green.
Speaker 1: But six eleven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but six eleven and he could and he can
Speaker 2: really not any can knock you down.
Speaker 3: To a best dressed. He had swag too, like he
Speaker 3: was six of them, but he walked around he was
Speaker 3: six too. Yeah for real, he think he flies? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Should the Bucks be concerned about losing Jannis?
Speaker 2: No? I mean he's done his job, right, I mean
Speaker 2: he's brung a ring to Milwaukee in fifty years. Milwaukee
Speaker 2: had a ring in fifty years. So to me, I
Speaker 2: mean he's done his job.
Speaker 1: So he's decided to leave. Say she just appreciate the
Speaker 1: time they had.
Speaker 2: Of course. I mean yeah, I mean he's the he's
Speaker 2: the greatest Milwaukee player ever. Like it's not it's not
Speaker 2: even yeah, like it's not even like Kareem it's not
Speaker 2: even close. Like what he's like what he brought to
Speaker 2: that to that city, man, like it was at a
Speaker 2: drought heavy for a minute. It was at a drought
Speaker 2: for a minute, like nobody wanted to go there. Nobody
Speaker 2: wanted to go there, like they they got like they
Speaker 2: got in the draft and got you know, the basketball
Speaker 2: guys was like yo, here, y'all go.
Speaker 3: And it got so bad that the owner was coming
Speaker 3: to practice with the white pants on and he is
Speaker 3: walking around ship on the back of his pants.
Speaker 1: Yeah, bro, yeah, like Nelly's boy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he came in to shoot around one day, has
Speaker 3: shipped all of the pants, just walking around talking to people.
Speaker 3: Come on, man, down with somebody that did wipe on themselves.
Speaker 3: Can be running the team and not knowing how to
Speaker 3: wipe your ass both you got to choose one of
Speaker 3: them to pass the team down somebody and don't wipe
Speaker 3: your ass or wipe you ass and run the.
Speaker 2: Teams like they should like build it like like honestly,
Speaker 2: like it's just certain things, like certain players and a
Speaker 2: certain way the game is going. Like you can build
Speaker 2: a statue for.
Speaker 1: Definitely, no question about that if you want.
Speaker 2: Like it's like you can build a statue for Lebron
Speaker 2: right now in Cleveland. They did it for Mike.
Speaker 1: Well and will Lebron get three statues in your opinion, Cleveland,
Speaker 1: Miami and Lakers and what not.
Speaker 2: His first championship was was in Miami, first two, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: and then I mean that beating it with the seventy
Speaker 2: three and nine mm hmm. That's that's so I put
Speaker 2: that in there, and getting they say the hardest championship.
Speaker 2: I mean, Miami retired m J Jersey.
Speaker 3: They got to get put a statue for bron right,
Speaker 3: they retired three statues.
Speaker 2: Three statues is crazy.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: That's bananas, like a statue in general. It is just
Speaker 2: like Chris got to get one of that case. No,
Speaker 2: what you mean?
Speaker 1: He said, slow down?
Speaker 2: He's part of the three what they called him the
Speaker 2: Big three. He's a part of the Big three. Noah, No,
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, it depends. So Chris Bosh was the
Speaker 2: third option. Right, So does Clay Thompson get one? And
Speaker 2: good question, So Clay get d Mond?
Speaker 3: To my mind, okay, yeah, does Katie get I think
Speaker 3: Katie's left out. I think I think Katie get his
Speaker 3: it somewhere else. Okay, see, I think okay, I think
Speaker 3: he was just asked this question. I didn't get to
Speaker 3: hear the whole whole answer.
Speaker 2: He has to get one.
Speaker 1: And with the word he's said, he don't think he
Speaker 1: goes hey, neighborhood hater. Does Lebron get a?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: Does Lebron get a? Elecers Stas and the Warriors?
Speaker 2: He's too two time finals MVP, no matter, two time
Speaker 2: finals MVP. So I got it, I got it done. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I got it done. Yeah. In his eyes, I could
Speaker 2: be like I saved y'all me if he want to
Speaker 2: talk like that, like I mean, you know, yeah eight
Speaker 2: one when in the finals when I was here eight one,
Speaker 2: y'all needed a third score or whatever. I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 2: so you can if he wants to talk that and
Speaker 2: talk that, you know, talk that talking sniper, should you
Speaker 2: know he could definitely? Yeah, big facts. I don't care
Speaker 2: how I came over here, y'all let me. Yeah, y'all, y'all,
Speaker 2: y'all signed the deal. Yeah, stupid, y'all. Let it happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, traded to Detroit for Chris Middleton learning the business?
Speaker 1: What was that like in twenty thirteen?
Speaker 2: Man, you know it's crazy about me getting traded that year?
Speaker 2: Is that I should have signed the deal with Milwaukee
Speaker 2: that that that summer.
Speaker 1: An extension yeah, they offered me and you declined it, but.
Speaker 2: I didn't decline it. I didn't know, Wow, what do
Speaker 2: you mean? So it was like they was like, oh man,
Speaker 2: we should go for the max, we should go for
Speaker 2: the max. And I'm just like, and you know, they
Speaker 2: offered me forty for four and we turned it.
Speaker 1: Down without you your agents turned it down.
Speaker 2: Well, we talked about it. I feel like it was
Speaker 2: more of like outside influences to in it, like my mother,
Speaker 2: Like people felt like I was a MAX player. But
Speaker 2: then at that time, you gotta think like who's getting
Speaker 2: Nobody got the max, Like everybody was getting forty, Like
Speaker 2: everybody got forty. The highest somebody got it was probably
Speaker 2: like forty four for four. It was low. So that's
Speaker 2: why I got traded, and that's why I already knew,
Speaker 2: like once I didn't sign the deal and then and
Speaker 2: then you know, I got I got wind of it
Speaker 2: from somebody who wasn't even in my circle. It was like,
Speaker 2: you know, they offered you and I was like, I
Speaker 2: didn't know that. So it was just like you know,
Speaker 2: Shane Binniness, Yeah, it was just a lot of stuff
Speaker 2: that I was just like, had had question.
Speaker 1: Marks on it's unfortunate Achilles tear in twenty fifteen. What
Speaker 1: was that journey to recovery like? And then any truth
Speaker 1: that Kobe reached out to you, Yeah, yeah, Kobe did
Speaker 1: when I was hurt my son. My son actually has
Speaker 1: a picture with Kobe in the back, and that's when
Speaker 1: I had met Kobe. He was just talking about the
Speaker 1: Achilles injury and you know, just coming back and you know,
Speaker 1: just being dowt in. But you know, just hearing his
Speaker 1: detail to the game was just like crazy, right.
Speaker 2: But for me with the Achilles, that's when I lost
Speaker 2: my passion for the game because that's when I started
Speaker 2: finding out a lot about other things outside of basketball
Speaker 2: that I needed to get in control of. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm sure we all been there. You know, we're making
Speaker 2: all this money, we don't really know what's going on,
Speaker 2: so you know, you know, laying up in the bed,
Speaker 2: you know and thinking, you know, just hearing how people feel,
Speaker 2: you know, seeing you know, Reggie Jackson get eighty million
Speaker 2: from Detroit and it's just like, you know, you just
Speaker 2: get down, like you just start, you know, personal issues
Speaker 2: start happening in your life with family members and friends,
Speaker 2: and you just it's just chaos. Man, It's just chaos
Speaker 2: and at a time where God set me down. I
Speaker 2: feel like that's why I didn't get the eighty million
Speaker 2: and I didn't become an All Star because I needed
Speaker 2: to get things in control of my life first. And
Speaker 2: that's just real. Like you know, imagine me with eighty
Speaker 2: million now I don't have control, probably wouldn't be sitting
Speaker 2: here right now right I needed that time to sit
Speaker 2: down and realize who I am. And yeah, it helped
Speaker 2: me out a lot. That's why I'm still here.
Speaker 1: At what age did you feel like you had that
Speaker 1: awakening and kind of able to look yourself in the mirror,
Speaker 1: Because that's a real that's deep. I mean, your self
Speaker 1: awareness has been At sixteen, you realize you needed to
Speaker 1: get out and get away, and then you kind of
Speaker 1: had to as a young star in the league, you
Speaker 1: had to pull yourself and sit yourself down and kind
Speaker 1: of go At what age was that, man?
Speaker 2: I just think like just things become Like when things
Speaker 2: become convenient for me, I gotta figure out something else,
Speaker 2: Like I get bored, so like just being sixteen and
Speaker 2: getting everything I wanted to mean a saying it's like, man,
Speaker 2: I need to like you know, I need something else,
Speaker 2: Like this is this is boring to me. Everything is
Speaker 2: coming to me too easy. And I think that's just me,
Speaker 2: just you know, learning from my peers, being around older,
Speaker 2: older situations, seeing things, observing. You know, I am a lever,
Speaker 2: so I do like to sit back and observe a lot.
Speaker 2: And then you know, just the people, the people around me,
Speaker 2: just the situations that I've been put in, being in
Speaker 2: that office at eighteen with Kevin Plank and Sonny McCarroll
Speaker 2: and Bill Duffy and my mom and you know, they like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we want to give you a million dollars. What's up?
Speaker 2: Like be our person aflet like you gotta be ready,
Speaker 2: like yeah, let's do this. So yeah, just you know,
Speaker 2: the high top fade and McDonald's all American, like you know,
Speaker 2: the gum be like I don't care man, Like it's like, bro,
Speaker 2: I'm a I'm a walking dollar sign, Like I'm gonna
Speaker 2: make money regardless if I'm dribbling basketball or not. Like
Speaker 2: life has taught me a lot and I've seen a lot.
Speaker 2: So put it all together.
Speaker 3: When you said you lost your love for basketball, yeah
Speaker 3: you had. You played. You played a little bit after
Speaker 3: that and had a couple of stops. When did you
Speaker 3: know it was time to hang it up?
Speaker 2: When I went to Russia China, actually really, because that's
Speaker 2: when I got into fashion, Like China really opened up
Speaker 2: to my eyes and some things. And that's when times
Speaker 2: when I was able to find myself and start looking
Speaker 2: myself in the mirror and start and start realizing, you know,
Speaker 2: like I created all this I created all this ship
Speaker 2: in my life, like right, like all right, how do
Speaker 2: you stop it?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: All right, Like you know, you gotta change my ways.
Speaker 2: I gotta get back deeper with God. I gotta start
Speaker 2: getting spiritual. I gotta start honoring my craft. I gotta
Speaker 2: start hunoring things. I gotta start undering myself right like
Speaker 2: like you know what I'm saying, Like I'm doing so
Speaker 2: much for other people. I'm not even thinking about myself
Speaker 2: yourself on the back. So you know I had to start,
Speaker 2: you know, That's why I went to China. I got
Speaker 2: three months, nine months away from everybody. Man, you know
Speaker 2: what my mind is thinking what I'm on now. I'm
Speaker 2: seeing so much stuff. I'm seeing our culture, I'm seeing fashion,
Speaker 2: I'm seeing how big I am. I'm like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: gotta start a brand, Like, yeah, I gotta start a brand.
Speaker 2: I got to get a crack and I go back
Speaker 2: and hoop. But this tough crowd, though, yeah, I gotta
Speaker 2: that's it. It's it right here.
Speaker 1: He said something interesting to me. You said, all this
Speaker 1: shit going on in your life, but you had to
Speaker 1: accept the responsibility for your parts. And I think that's
Speaker 1: hard for men sometimes because I had a well documented
Speaker 1: whirlwind life off the court too, and although it was
Speaker 1: some bullshit that happened, I had to accept my part
Speaker 1: in that shit. And to me, that's the only way
Speaker 1: you really grow. You can be like, damn, why is
Speaker 1: this all this happened to me? Or you can find
Speaker 1: out like, well, how can I avoid it next time?
Speaker 1: What could I have done different for this shit not
Speaker 1: to happen?
Speaker 2: Just I mean, before I go into any situation, I
Speaker 2: pray before it, like, you know, just for the positive energy.
Speaker 2: Like you know, people be walking into just so much
Speaker 2: negative energy, don't even know what they're around. It's like yo,
Speaker 2: like start honoring and start giving, you know, the glory.
Speaker 2: It's a little bit. I don't mean to get off.
Speaker 2: We see what's going on in the world.
Speaker 1: Because you know, what's crazy to be as me and
Speaker 1: him always talk about like what he thirty five? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like there's no vets in the league, no more. This's
Speaker 1: young boy. It's the blind leading the blind. But when
Speaker 1: we came in, there was dudes thirty nine, forty forty one,
Speaker 1: forty two. Some played, some didn't, but they're just so
Speaker 1: instrumental in us not fucking up as much. We still
Speaker 1: fucked up, but there was just some guidance. There's just
Speaker 1: no guidance.
Speaker 2: I came into the league. Kirt Thomas was thirty seven. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm nineteen. You know how much I'm learning. Yeah, Jerry
Speaker 2: Stockhouse is in there. You know how much I'm learning. Right,
Speaker 2: they don't have Jackson. You know how much I'm learning?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know how much good.
Speaker 2: Early in my career. So it's like, Bro, I know
Speaker 2: the what he said? What did he say? What do
Speaker 2: you say missed? I missed it?
Speaker 1: He said, Steven Jackson in my life. I said, I
Speaker 1: don't know which that ship was good.
Speaker 2: But much. It probablyouldn't play much positive, but he's learned
Speaker 2: a lot. Bro.
Speaker 3: One piece of advice you would tell the younger Brandon Jennis.
Speaker 1: Oh fresh in the league, though fresh in the league.
Speaker 2: Fresh in the league. Yeah, freshing league with all this money. Man, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean spiritual, like I'm gonna keep saying I'm gonna
Speaker 2: get that. That was it. I love yourself more. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like love myself more. Stop saying yes to everything. Most
Speaker 2: influential teammate you ever had. I mean, I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: say because you're on the show, but you I love it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like that to where yo, hey, hey, young bro, come
Speaker 2: with me all the time and be with me and
Speaker 2: I take care everything. And you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: let's go to all everything on me, Like, come on,
Speaker 2: it's not even that is no, I'm not I don't
Speaker 2: never have to pull out my wallet. If I did,
Speaker 2: it's like what you're doing, love bro, appreciate you, Like,
Speaker 2: what are you doing? That's why I do the things
Speaker 2: I do now for everybody. Yeah, I got it, Like it's.
Speaker 3: Just a lot of gun, but not your wallet. I
Speaker 3: don't think I asked me to do that either. Back then,
Speaker 3: back then I was billy the kids. I wouldn't nobody
Speaker 3: I'm saying, I was ready to shoot that.
Speaker 2: I'm different now, I'm grown.
Speaker 3: Now, I'm not doing I don't want no problem to
Speaker 3: But back then, wild wild West, whatever fib was.
Speaker 2: One play you what you could have played with. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna say d the White Howard. I'm gonna say the
Speaker 2: White how Early just off the fact, because I think
Speaker 2: it was like a rumor that they were trying to
Speaker 2: trade for me early, like my rookie year or secondary
Speaker 2: to go there. And I remember talking to D White
Speaker 2: in l A for like the All Star He was like,
Speaker 2: what's up, trying to like, you know, and you know, DW. Whight,
Speaker 2: Howard and Orlando.
Speaker 1: Everybody wanted everybody I was on this team that I
Speaker 1: was on on this team that year two thousand year
Speaker 1: they were they were traded Mary Nelson for you then,
Speaker 1: right yeah yeah, so hey, let me tell you he
Speaker 1: was a bad d White was a bad motherfucker And.
Speaker 2: They got to the finals that year. Yeah, so I know, yeah,
Speaker 2: that was yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was for that was that
Speaker 1: was the year before I the year they went to
Speaker 1: the finals.
Speaker 2: The year before the year we played you guys.
Speaker 3: They swept them, like the only one I've ever heard
Speaker 3: like a rumor heard like that.
Speaker 2: They were like Orlando calling was calling early my rookie year,
Speaker 2: And I.
Speaker 1: Was like, like, be tough because we have We had
Speaker 1: a nice It was the white we had go Gordon.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah he was he left the year though he
Speaker 1: got We had gor Tis. That's the year Me, Vince
Speaker 1: and j Will all came that Yearney Lee right now,
Speaker 1: Courtney was gone. That was Courtney had just left for
Speaker 1: Charle Lewis.
Speaker 2: Was there everybody? Everybody?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had a squad stand. Gunny tightened up on.
Speaker 2: Us and I ended up playing for Stand in Detroit?
Speaker 1: Did you I like standing x and Os but like
Speaker 1: under pressure, it gets a little funny sometimes, but x
Speaker 1: and O's incredible. He just phones out of his corner
Speaker 1: of his mouth too much.
Speaker 2: So that's uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: Make sure your ship ain't fucked up. And yeah he drinks.
Speaker 1: You get that drinking soda all day? How you get
Speaker 1: that drinking soda all day?
Speaker 3: If you could give one player advice about bis moves
Speaker 3: and in fashion, who would it be?
Speaker 2: What would it be?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 2: You got to be yourself and you got to know
Speaker 2: yourself through it all, and you got to keep your relationships.
Speaker 2: Like a lot of my collabse and a lot of
Speaker 2: things I do with tough crowd of people that I've
Speaker 2: dealt with in my career early, right and Dahmer for one,
Speaker 2: have a collaborat Undarmer. I'm whearing. I got you know,
Speaker 2: carry brand. You know, we got our basketball court at
Speaker 2: Roley Park. I'm still doing stuff with the Bucks. Everything's
Speaker 2: been full circle for me. So and and think about
Speaker 2: the brand like, yo, you drop it when you ready,
Speaker 2: Like you know what I'm saying, like when you're ready. Like, man,
Speaker 2: I spent so much money early just giving out tough
Speaker 2: crowd early just to see if people just want like
Speaker 2: you know, you know, shout out Jordan Clarkson. You know,
Speaker 2: he was one of the first persons to ever like
Speaker 2: support me with it. You know, he told me it
Speaker 2: was gonna go. Stanley Johnson also, so you know, I
Speaker 2: got it to my peers and I just stay true
Speaker 2: to myself. Man, Like it's a community, right, Like if
Speaker 2: I can get like right now, I got fifty people,
Speaker 2: I know for sure that I can give a tough
Speaker 2: crowd too, and we can walk outside and moth to
Speaker 2: see it. I'm one of them, right, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like I can, like if you could just
Speaker 2: get that community in that community, and once you have that, man,
Speaker 2: it's gonna take off? Are you a believer? It ain't
Speaker 2: about it ain't about what you got own is who
Speaker 2: got it on.
Speaker 1: I don't know if a designer could think like that.
Speaker 3: Like you might think you got to have on Louis
Speaker 3: Vatian to be that, but I got on Tough Crowd, nigga,
Speaker 3: I'm me.
Speaker 2: So it ain't about what you got owns about who
Speaker 2: have it on or who's behind it? Yeah? Who behind it? Okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah you feel about player? I love it. I think
Speaker 2: more players should do it. Black owned ship. He got
Speaker 2: his own shoe. I mean if they gonna if they're
Speaker 2: gonna put you in that, they're gonna put you in
Speaker 2: that box. You know, they put you in that box
Speaker 2: like you know where you know they feel like you're
Speaker 2: too big or whatever. Yeah, go start your own thing
Speaker 2: like like me Tough Crowd. I can do whatever I
Speaker 2: want with Tough Crowd. Can't Nobody tell me nothing like
Speaker 2: that's the beauty of one your own brand. We got
Speaker 2: to start owning our own things like and then build
Speaker 2: it like it's not about Oh tomorrow is gonna take
Speaker 2: off like man, Tough Crowd like it's five years. In
Speaker 2: the first two years, I didn't even sell nothing. I
Speaker 2: just gave it away. Like I'm in my third year
Speaker 2: right now, like it's still early, like I'm just getting
Speaker 2: my feet wet like my first two years. I'm just
Speaker 2: giving it away, trying to just feel what the the
Speaker 2: with the atmosphere, what the universe is saying, like you know,
Speaker 2: next thing, you know, Chris Brown is wearing it. Now
Speaker 2: we're out of here. Like I just stay true to myself,
Speaker 2: and you know, tough crowd is tough, like we all
Speaker 2: live a tough crowd. Still a brand when you're smile
Speaker 2: like that, and Chris Brown, Chris Brown starts wearing your ship.
Speaker 2: Your order is like the does a psyde crash as
Speaker 2: you drive up a whole bunch of numbers or just
Speaker 2: over time. Yeah, I mean, man, Chris. I mean when
Speaker 2: I met Chris, it was during the COVID time. So
Speaker 2: you know, this is when I'm in the crib with
Speaker 2: me and my girl and man, we're trying to figure
Speaker 2: this thing out. We're like, man, you know, it's hard
Speaker 2: to get clothes. We spraying close down, you know, boom boom.
Speaker 2: We're doing just we're going from my house to Chris
Speaker 2: house and we playing basketball every day and Chris is
Speaker 2: like wearing tough crowd every day and we able to
Speaker 2: you know, he's posting it and you know it was
Speaker 2: a blessing. And next thing you know, man, the or
Speaker 2: is coming in like crazy.
Speaker 3: It's like you know, you know, yeah, it's that work.
Speaker 2: Chris, that boy, Chris, that guy. Yeah, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. That's when it comes to that fashion. But yeah, man,
Speaker 2: that was the That was a staple of getting us in.
Speaker 2: You know what. Me and my girl was just sitting
Speaker 2: the house and grind it out. I was down there
Speaker 2: doing packages all through COVID, like shipping everybody stuff out
Speaker 2: like where everybody was in the house. So just you
Speaker 2: gotta find a way to just keep going. Like that's
Speaker 2: the thing. Once you stop, the brand is a rap
Speaker 2: or you're gonna have to find a way to build
Speaker 2: it up, like even when it's getting low, Like you
Speaker 2: just gotta keep pushing it. Find avenues, be creative, like
Speaker 2: think like you know what I'm saying. I see us Hoopers.
Speaker 2: We've been around so much in our life. I'm in Italy,
Speaker 2: I've been to China, I've been a Russian man, Like
Speaker 2: I better dress like this, I should better be flying.
Speaker 2: You know what you think about Kyrie's in to move.
Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah, I love it. He's another one man.
Speaker 2: They want to shut you out. We're gonna find another avenue. Yeah, man,
Speaker 2: I love it. Bro It's it's you know, shout out
Speaker 2: to Kyrie. Yeah, you know he's you know, he's in
Speaker 2: his own lane. He's doing his own thing, man. Like
Speaker 2: you know, he got his family. I spent some time
Speaker 2: with him, probably like a month ago before the season. Man.
Speaker 2: We was out and is a beautiful home in Malibu.
Speaker 2: Man with his family. He was cooking steaks. Yeah, everybody's
Speaker 2: got on a grill, just cooking steaks. H And we're
Speaker 2: just talking about life. Man, Just hearing them talk about
Speaker 2: life and you know what he wants to do and
Speaker 2: things in life. It's just beautiful. Like he got his
Speaker 2: lane still going. He tapped into his spiritual mos.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love it too. Yeah, shout out Spice too, man.
Speaker 1: Quick hitters. First thing to come to mind. Let us
Speaker 1: know your top five of all time.
Speaker 2: For one, I'm gonna have to go with now. I'm
Speaker 2: going with what I see all right, I'm going Steph,
Speaker 2: I'm going cold. I'm going bron kd I'm going back. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that what you're saying. That one album that you play
Speaker 2: right now on repeat, Lauren Hill, miss educated, Yeah of course,
Speaker 2: and she sat it right here on my legs.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: One, the one album, queen. Like all your albums up, you.
Speaker 3: Can keep doing one every six months and it ain't
Speaker 3: on top of that.
Speaker 1: One childhood crush. Oh man, that's got them cheese and
Speaker 1: damn who was it?
Speaker 2: My girls here child, you're grown child? Uh no, halle
Speaker 2: Berry for sure, come on join and she she put
Speaker 2: that foot on in the flintstones.
Speaker 3: That's that's the whole life crush, my teenage grown man,
Speaker 3: all that crush, guilty pleasure, the treat for sure, the
Speaker 3: tree guilty Tree, yeah, weed and some gentlemen's cut, Yeah
Speaker 3: yeah yeah and my girl yeah yeah you good.
Speaker 1: All I need in is life of saying, uh tough
Speaker 1: a dream, tough crowd crowd collab, your dream collapse.
Speaker 2: My dream tough crowd collapse would have to be with
Speaker 2: Rick Owens, Yeah, sucking them up right now, Rick Owens
Speaker 2: or Burberry, Oh, Burbary, I'm gonna go yeah, because it's different.
Speaker 2: It's something that people would see coming. Best food spot
Speaker 2: on you now beyond you.
Speaker 3: You got a relationships with a lot of no servicemen
Speaker 3: in Inglewood, Inglewood black class.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Service.
Speaker 1: We got some merch for you.
Speaker 3: You came with gifts for us, so thank you. It's
Speaker 3: only returned to favor the green light you did. So
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Speaker 2: Yea, you know what I'm saying. Thank you.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you, man, Thanks you for coming through. Continue success, bro,
Speaker 1: we love the lane. We gotta we gotta collabse that
Speaker 1: we gotta do all the smoke tough crowd collapse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, let's collapse. Man. I'm proud of everybody. Bro.
Speaker 2: All our second career is gonna be our basketball ye
Speaker 2: come on, let nobody tell you like you know, I'm
Speaker 2: bigger than what I was when I first played. So
Speaker 2: We're gonna keep going. We're gonna keep pushing, absolutely, gonna
Speaker 2: keep believing in God it, We're gonna keep helping our young.
Speaker 2: There we go.
Speaker 1: Man, that's a wrap. Brandon Jennings. You can catch this
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Speaker 1: See y'all next week.