WEBVTT - The Baffling Case of the Body On Somerton Beach 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:04.600 Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff Works 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:13.400 dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:16.360 Clark with Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and today is a 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:20.200 very special day. We have a special guest producer, Matt. 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:23.200 Been a while. It has been a while, man, it's 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:26.880 been since like two fourteen or something. Yeah, and Matt 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:28.800 is one half of the stuff they don't want you 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:32.120 to know. Oh yeah, that's right. There's three of them, 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:35.559 and we are sort of awkwardly reporting two of the 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:39.000 same shows they've done. So Matt's just sitting there with 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:42.120 his arms crossed, shaking his head back and forth. So 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:44.280 we're trying not to look at him. Are you doing. 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:47.559 I'm good except for Matt looking at us like that. 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:50.559 What do you do for the eclipse? I looked at 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:56.120 the eclipse unwisely, um from where from my house? I didn't. 0:00:56.240 --> 0:01:00.000 I didn't see a full the full SCHMO. I figured, you, guys, 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:02.760 this would be exactly the type to drive two hours 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:06.040 to see it. No you did, though, huh yeah, how 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:08.240 was it? Well? I don't want to be one of 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:13.840 those dudes. But the difference between in full eclipse is 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:16.480 all the difference in the world. I saw it put. 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:17.959 I can't remember who put it, but they said that 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:21.360 the difference between seeing a partial eclipse and a full 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:24.760 eclipse is the difference between kissing a person and marrying 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:28.000 a person. Oh well, that's from the legendary eclipse article 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:33.880 from The Atlantic from okay, who wrote it? Oh man? Um? 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:36.480 I even like sent myself the link to read it 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:39.959 today and I haven't read it. It's probably Tina Turner 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:43.640 that the height of her career was. It was written 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:46.680 by Annie Dillard. Okay, it's called total Eclipse and I 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:49.880 haven't ready yet, but it's supposed to be just remarkable, 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:51.600 and that's exactly how she put it, and it was 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:54.920 I think so. So that would have been a year 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:58.280 before Bonnie Tyler came out with Total Eclipse of the Heart. Yeah, 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:02.800 it was two. Yeah. I cried, and like five other 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:07.200 people with this cried like spontaneously. Tears were coming out 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:09.480 of my face and I was like, what is happening 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:13.000 to my body? Did you? I mean, what have you concluded? 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:15.720 I don't know, man, it was just overwhelming. That's neat 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:19.040 to stare at the corona and we're going like two 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:22.560 probably Texas for the next one, like I'm going to 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:27.400 every path of totality that I can get to between 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:28.720 now and the time that I died here and the 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:35.920 clip said, now I'm a totalitur to totalitists. Yeah, and 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:38.280 it was we almost didn't go, like literally that morning 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:40.639 we were debating and I was like, it's two hours away, 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:43.440 let's just get in the car and go. Um and 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:47.960 my daughter saw it, which was weird for her, like 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:51.440 she knew something was up even at two years old. Yeah. 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:54.360 The sun's calm, black, Yeah, and stars came out and 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:58.760 crickets chirped and it was just really strange. Yeah. Uh yeah. 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:00.880 It was very quick two minutes, but I think the 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:03.960 one in two thousand seven is going to have a 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:07.200 four and a half minute totality. When is it two 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:14.640 seven years from now? Okay, and that's that great. Maybe 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:17.280 we'll drive to Texas too, Well, i'll drive together. Well, 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:18.880 if you won't drive two hours, where you gonna go 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:22.239 to Texas? Oh hey, if I ever have a good 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:25.040 reason to go to Texas, I'll take it. Well, it's Texas. 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:27.560 And then I mean we may go to Akron because 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:30.240 that's where Emily's from. It goes through Akron. The kind 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:33.840 of over to Maine on that you guys should just 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:36.560 follow it in your van. Well, you know, I wondered 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:39.120 what how fast? Of course you can't do this, but 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:41.360 how fast would you have to travel the speed of 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:44.080 the moon stay in the path of totality the speed 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:46.640 of the moon, which is what like a hundred million 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:48.960 miles an hour or something like that. I don't know. 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:52.000 Listen to our moon episode. It's my new drug totality. 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:54.920 That's neat man. Yeah, I'm glad that happened to you, 0:03:56.520 --> 0:04:02.840 happened on me. Get all over me. Uh, how okay? 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:06.280 You want to talk about this the eclipse. No. You 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:09.080 know what's funny is that we didn't do it podcasts 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:11.440 on eclipses. No, I thought about that. We never have, 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:14.480 I know, And that's just just like us, Moon goes 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:20.520 in front of sun, moon goes away from sun, right, Uh, yeah, 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:23.320 that's just figures. I'm sure we'll end up talking about 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:25.680 like we'll do an episode on unlike the effect of 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:29.200 an eclipse on plants first, and then you know, some 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:33.200 other tangentially related episode, and then maybe after that we'll 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:36.400 do how eclipse work maybe if we're still around in 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:39.680 seven years. There you go about that's a good idea 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:41.640 and have jinks just before by saying we won't be 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.880 around just an opposite jinks. I was gonna say, is 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:47.120 that a jinx? Yeah, that's to ensure that we will 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:53.920 be around, got sart. So we're talking today, Chuck about 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:58.640 a pretty unusual mystery. Are you familiar with this one before? Yeah? 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:01.360 I think we covered this an Internet roundup or something. 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:04.000 Oh yeah, yeah, I mean we definitely talked about it, 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:07.680 but I scoured our archives and I couldn't find an 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:10.400 official show. So I wonder where it came up, because yeah, 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:14.680 I mean we've been talked about it for sure. Um. 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:16.840 And then it was a lot of times you would 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:19.920 do one of your best things you've read this week. 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:23.719 We would then do an Internet roundup piece on that. Okay, 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:25.560 That's probably where it came up, because you're like, this 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:28.920 is so good it should be seen by dozens of people. Exactly. 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:32.520 I want to share it with the twenty Yeah. Um, yeah, 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:36.080 I probably guess the article that I did the best 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:38.440 stuff we've read this week on would have been the 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:42.240 body on so Merton Beach. I think is what it's called, 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:46.520 is the Smithsonian article from years and years it was, um, 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:48.760 so Yeah, there's been plenty of good articles about it. 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:51.880 That one, uh is a good one. There's one from 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:58.600 California Sunday magazine called The Lost Man. Yeah, just some 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:01.360 good stuff out there. If us floats your boat, it does. 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:03.920 But let us set let us set the theme for you, okay, 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:08.600 because this story takes place in Adelaide, in uh, South Australia, 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:11.760 which is not just a place, it's a state as well. 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:13.840 Did you know that? Yeah? I wonder what they call 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:17.600 how they pronounced Adelaide there? Probably not like I just 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:22.600 said it, um, but in Adelaide, South Australia, Adelaides the capital. Uh, 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:25.559 it's a from what I understand. We haven't been there yet, 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:29.520 but we probably will maybe next year. I'm not going 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:32.080 to Adelaide though, I don't know. It sounds kind of 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:35.440 neat and a little weird, right, but weird in some 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:39.240 weird ways. So, um, Adelaide is this? This place is 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:42.760 kind of known as the myrtle murder capital of Australia. 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:47.000 But it doesn't have necessarily like the highest homicide rate 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:53.360 in Australia. It just has a history of kind of weird, gruesome, 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:57.320 grizzly murders. Yeah, I think if you've had more than 0:06:57.360 --> 0:07:03.080 two or three, like dismemberment type murders, that you're on 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:06.920 the map, and they definitely have. Yeah, there was. There 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:11.120 was a very famous case in the sixties of the 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:14.680 um the Beaumont children who went missing off of a 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:18.400 beach called Glenn l Beach. I think that's probably how 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:22.280 you say it, um, which is near Adelaide, and we're 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:25.119 never heard from again, no trace of was ever found. 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:28.440 We should do an episode on that one too. Um 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:33.640 there was the family Yeah, uh so dubbed by the 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:36.800 cops in the seventies and eighties. This one's really freaky. 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:43.880 These were supposedly just like regular professional men, presumed men 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:48.920 who had a sort of cabal of torture and murder 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:52.920 of young boys, basically like season one of True Detective, 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:57.160 but in real life in Australia, with a well with 0:07:57.200 --> 0:08:01.840 an equally weird ending. All right, yeah, the sky just 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:05.240 opens up. It's a total eclipse. Uh. And that one 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:09.360 again unsolved right, Uh, it was never it was. I 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:12.760 think one person was convicted, but the people that he 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:18.360 implicated were never charged or convicted. What about this bodies 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:21.280 and the barrel thing? That's all you need to say, 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:24.160 there's a string of group of murders called the Bodies 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:29.080 and the Barrels murders. Right, it's a lot of pluralization. Uh. 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:32.520 And then, um, so the idea that the one we're 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:35.120 talking about, which is the death of just one man, 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:40.280 a non violent death, possibly um who was found on 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:44.800 a beach almost seventy years ago. For that to still 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:49.120 have Australia and like the world in its grips today, 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:53.200 it must be a pretty interesting case. And it is. Yeah, 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:56.280 so I guess we should go back in time, getting 0:08:56.280 --> 0:09:01.439 the old way back machine and travel south to Adelaide, 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:12.880 post war Adelaide. Look how beautiful it is here. It's hot. 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:18.400 I smell shrimp cooking on the barbie, um drinking a Foster's. Yeah, 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:21.320 it's like a fifty five gallon DRUMA foster and lots 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:25.360 of other Australian tropes are happening all around me. There's 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:30.079 a crocodile dundeees over there. Why there? When we tour there, 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:33.160 they're going to really get because like after the show, 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.040 the first show, we can run us out of town. 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:39.560 You say, fine, New Zealand wants us. Yeah. New Zealand say, yeah, 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:44.920 come on over here. Uh so Adelaide is um, Well, 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:48.480 it's an interesting place post war Um. Apparently there was. 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:50.640 It was kind of a place where you could go 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:53.480 to sort of real if you want to disappear and 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:58.079 rewrite your life, that wasn't a bad place to do it. Um. 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:00.719 There was a lot of black marketing we're in going on. 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:02.920 Apparently it was really hard to get your hands on 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:06.040 a car. Um. So there's like a big black market 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:13.720 for cars of all of all stolenness stolens um. Yeah, 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:17.120 there's there's just a certain amount of post war scarcity 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:18.920 that was still going on, and there was a lot 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:21.920 of espionage going on to right, So the Cold War 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:25.400 had just started in Australia was in this weird position 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:28.920 where there were a lot of Soviet spies running around, 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:32.559 there were a lot of Brits and American spies running around, 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:36.080 and the British themselves were conducting secret rocket tests in 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:39.439 the country. So there was, um, there's a lot of espionage, 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:42.000 a lot of black marketing um, and a lot of 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:45.640 people who were not who they claimed to be floating 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:49.200 around this country running around and floating right. So that 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:54.319 brings us to uh, a very important date for the story. Tuesday, 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:58.880 November about seven in the evening, there was a jeweler 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:01.880 named John Lyon Ends and his wife. They were taking 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:04.679 a little stroll there on Somerton Beach, which I'm sure 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:09.000 as lovely. Um, and they saw something weird. They were 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:14.280 walking towards glenn Elk, so I guess they're connected beaches. Yeah, 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:16.840 and they saw something interesting on the sea wall there. 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:20.880 They saw a man lying in the sand, but very 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:23.600 well dressed in a suit, kind of propped up on 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:25.400 the sea wall there as if he were sort of 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:31.240 sitting up about sixty feet away. In America, that's twenty yards. 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:35.560 In Australia it is a certain amount of meters about 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:39.200 twenty Okay, really is that what works? Yeah, it's pretty 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:44.200 close to the yard in the meter are very similar. Um. 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:48.560 And he he was doing something interesting, so they say, uh, 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:51.120 he extended his right arm upward and then just let 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:53.040 it fall back down to the ground. And they thought 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:56.560 that looks like a passed out drunk guy, or maybe 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:59.000 a barely wake drunk guy, maybe trying to have a 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:02.440 cigarette or they I mean, it was remarkable and that 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:04.440 they made a mental note of it, but they just 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:08.080 kept walking and whatever. I think his suit being on 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:10.080 the beach was probably one of the big deals. Yeah, 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:12.720 he was very sharply dressed, not just wearing a suit 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:15.200 on the beach like the studio was wearing. Was pretty nice, 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:18.960 pretty nice. Um In About a half hour later, another 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:22.320 couple walked past, and this this time the guy wasn't 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:26.559 moving at all. Um and apparently he had a whole 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:30.040 swarm of mosquitoes around his face. And the boyfriend says 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:32.720 to the girlfriend that guy must be dead to the 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:36.200 world if he's not noticing those mosquitoes, he must just 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:40.120 be absolutely wasted. So they were clearly closer, I guess, 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:42.920 so I think it'd see mosquitoes on his face, Yeah, 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:44.880 for sure, because from twenty yards it's a tough thing 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:49.120 to see. I don't know, pretty strange mosquitoes are, right. 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:54.160 So the next morning, um became pretty clear what was 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:57.200 going on here, that this was a dead man. The 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:00.240 same jeweler John Lyons He went for a little morning swim, 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:03.360 as you were to do in Australian the mornings when 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:07.160 you're hungover, and he saw a bunch of people crowded 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:10.920 around where the guy was, and it was it was on. 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:13.880 It was as a dead dude. Yeah, the dude was 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:15.880 in basically the same position you'd seen him in the 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:19.679 night before. That that crowd was like he's dead, croy 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:24.400 ky and uh yeah, so Lions is like, wow, that 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:28.880 was pretty surprising. That's the end of John Lyons. Yeah, 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:31.720 but very important here and that they are the only 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:37.400 people who supposedly saw this body move right, super important. So, um, 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:40.400 within about a few hours, the body is in the morgue, 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:44.839 get the hospital and as being examined, and just from 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:49.520 the initial examination there was a lot of um, just 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:53.720 weirdness that immediately came out right. So remember the guys 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:57.760 like sitting up against the sea wall. Um, his legs 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:01.160 are extended out, his feet are crossed. There was a cigarette, 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:04.120 depending on who you ask, either a half burned cigarette, 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:07.960 either dangling from his mouth or on the collar of 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:11.480 a shirt as if it had fallen from his mouth. Um, 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:15.440 and uh. When he was taken into the morgue that 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:21.360 the doctor said that he was probably dead by two am. Yeah, 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:23.800 and most likely when they did the full autopsy, a 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:28.360 man named John Dwyer said he was probably poisoned initially, 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:31.080 even though there were no traces of poison, which is 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:33.240 a little right. But the reason he said that is 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:35.720 because when they cracked the guy opened this this this 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:40.680 John Doe who's widely become known as the Somerton man. Um, 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:44.840 his organs were all kinds of messed up. He had 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:48.080 blood and his stomach along with his final meal, which 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:56.720 was a pasty, a delicious hot pocket handie. Yeah um, 0:14:56.760 --> 0:15:02.120 that sounds dirty hand pie. Yeah. Um, there's His spleen 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:06.040 was in enlarged and engorged with blood. That's not a 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:11.080 good sign. His liver was giant and bloody, not unusual 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:17.040 for Australians, that fifty five gallon drama foster. His pupils 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:23.520 were smaller than normal and just quote unusual whatever that means. Right. Uh. 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:26.080 And then they said that he had a little spittle 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:29.880 on the side of his mouth that you know, like, 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:32.160 you know, I thought that was a pretty tacky thing 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:35.320 to note. Yeah, just leave the guy alone. He's dead, 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:37.800 like sleepy drool, is what I thought. If I'm pretty, 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:39.560 if I'm so pretty that I just have a little 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:41.760 bit of spittle coming down my mouth when I'm dead, 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:44.400 I'll be more than happy. Oh you mean, if you 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:47.480 if that's the only thing, Yeah, I agreed. I mean, 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:50.280 come on give the guy to break well, you know, 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:54.920 they were doing forensics. Yeah, so, and indeed they did, 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:57.800 and they kept saying like this gotta be poisoning, like 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:00.520 his organs are all kinds of messed up, but there 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:03.480 was no trace of poisoning. They brought in this guy 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:09.520 named Cedric Stanton Hicks. Yeah, nothing's wrong, right. They gave 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:15.000 it to Eugene and he was still standing afterwards. Um, So, 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:18.120 Sir Cedric Stanton Hicks comes in and says, as well, 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:21.800 let me let me see this, and he um concluded 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:25.560 that it was probably one of two poisons that would 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:29.040 have done this kind of damage resulted in heart failure. 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:32.280 We didn't say that, so they concluded he probably died 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:36.000 from his heart failure. Ultimately, Um, but that wouldn't have 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:39.760 left a trace. And he did not feel like it 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:42.480 was a responsible move on his part to say these 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:46.280 things out loud on the record during the coroner's inquest. 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:49.560 So he said, so he wrote them down, and the 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:51.960 corner was like, okay, all right, picked him up and 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:58.280 read and what he read was digitalis and Struff Phantom said, 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:01.600 he said it, I didn't write. He goes, oh gosh, 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:03.760 did I say that out loud. That sounds like something 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:06.800 that you'd seen the movie, just you know, added for 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:09.960 the drama, but apparently it really am So he read 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:11.600 those names. I don't know if you read those names, 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:15.600 but at least those names were recorded onto the record. Uh. 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:22.320 Sir Cedric Stanton Hicks suspected the strophanthem, although later investigators 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:25.840 I feel sure it was probably the digitalist. It sounds 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:27.520 like it doesn't matter which one it was because they 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:30.879 were both kind of used and I think are maybe 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:34.600 still used. The treat heart disease. Is that true? Yeah? Um, 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:37.080 and then you can get them with the prescription from 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:39.520 a pharmacy. I don't know if they're still used. Maybe 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:42.280 they are, but they definitely were common at the time 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:47.960 or obtainable in in just about every major city. Um. 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:50.560 So they have an idea of maybe what poison it was. 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:54.399 But again it bears pointing out again and again that 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:58.760 they no one has ever found any direct evidence that 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.720 the man was poisoned. And to this day, two thousand 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:06.760 seventeen and beyond, if you're listening to this years from now, um, 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:10.480 they still don't know how he died. Yeah, and you 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:13.280 they may still be looking because this is one of 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:15.840 those like the dB Cooper when we did. That's one 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:19.520 of those cases where amateur sluice on the Internet are 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:22.199 still trying to figure stuff like this out. And unless 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:27.439 we come up with some really um amazing technologies in 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:30.639 the next ten twenty years or something like that, the 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:34.200 time is passing quite quickly on this case and dB 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:37.440 Cooper as well. Where we may never know may remain 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:42.040 a mystery forever unless we invent time travel, then somebody 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:44.840 will go back and figure those out. So the dude, 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:48.800 it looks a little bit like Harvey Kitel, do you 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:51.160 think so? I mean, look up a picture of this guy. 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:52.800 If you're not in your car, you can look him up. 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:58.320 They're two very famous photos. I guess from the autopsy scene. Um, 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:00.520 just straight onto his face and then sort of you know, 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:03.640 from the side with his eyes open. Yeah, it looks 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:07.120 like Harvey Kitell. It looks like a wasted Harvey kite Tel, 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:11.840 which is to say, he looks like Harvey Kuitel. Um, 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:14.160 so he's in about his mid forties. Yeah, I guess 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:17.080 a younger Harvey Kitel. Yeah. Uh, he's wearing this double 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:19.359 breasted suit. Um. I saw that he was wearing a 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:24.160 nit pull over with a necktie. Who and this sounds 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:28.240 like we're being um two specific by saying the stripes 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:31.560 slanted from left to right, but we're not. We're not. 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:34.880 That will come into play. Well, just hang onto that nugget. 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:37.920 Put that one in your pipe for later. He had 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:40.520 no hat, which was weird for that time. Oh, I 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:42.959 hadn't ran across that, but yeah, I've never seen that 0:19:43.000 --> 0:19:45.080 there was a hat. Yeah, and they never found a hat. 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:47.200 But it would be unusual for a man in the 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:49.320 late forties and not have a hat. Yeah, I guess so. 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:52.840 Fedoras were huge. I'll bet Panama hats were huge down 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:55.240 in Adelaide at the time. For doors in Australia were 0:19:55.280 --> 0:20:02.200 literally huge. It's like sombreros made of tortilla's melted cheese 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:05.919 in the middle. Man. Is that a thing? It was 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:10.520 on the Simpsons nancho hat. Uh? What else? He had 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:13.960 weird feet, yeah, wedge shaped feet, they said, and that 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:17.439 his his shoes seemed to be molded almost to his feet. 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:24.240 The real weird giveaway was his calves. His calves were remarkable. 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:30.000 They were bulbous below the just below the knee. And 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:33.560 the guy who who performed the autopsy, I think it was. 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:38.560 Dwyer said, Uh, this is like what dancers or people 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:40.919 who wear high heels, just the kind of calves that 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:42.600 they have. He said, look at that, he looks like 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:48.440 Lena Horn. The Oh my gosh, it is Lena Horn. Uh. Yeah, 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:54.359 so that that's definitely notable. Um. Uh. The other thing 0:20:54.440 --> 0:20:57.840 they found out too was, um, a couple of physical 0:20:57.880 --> 0:20:59.840 traits that he had which will come into play later 0:20:59.880 --> 0:21:05.000 on his ear. His simba, which is the upper hollow 0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:10.480 portion of the ear caved in. Yeah, the rolled over 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:13.439 part up here, No, like just the upper you know, 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:18.239 hole than the lower part. Yeah. Yeah, we've ever done 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:21.720 show any ears, have we we should? The simba is 0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:25.800 larger than the cave um, which is a fairly rare thing. 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:28.600 So I would guess the cavum is where your ear 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:30.960 drum leads to your ear drum. Yeah, that's where you 0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:33.400 put your finger when you want to write. But if 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:35.760 you go, if you put your finger up over that ridge, 0:21:35.840 --> 0:21:39.600 doesn't that's the simba. Yeah, so yeah, that would be 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:41.800 weird if this one was bigger than that one. Yeah. 0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:46.840 It's a pretty rare genetic trait, as were his strange teeth. Yeah, 0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:50.240 he had something called hypodontia, which is he was missing 0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:54.359 his lateral incisors, which are the teeth that most people 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:58.640 have between their front teeth and their canines. His lateral 0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:02.399 incisors never developed, so his canines were adjacent to his 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:06.720 front teeth. Yeah, and it's um would you say hypodontia 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:09.480 that that can be as common as like you'd never 0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:13.359 get your wisdom teeth, But in this case, those particular teeth, 0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:16.720 it was pretty rare. Something like, well, I saw hypodontia 0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:21.680 in so that would include not getting wisdom teeth. Huh, Well, 0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:24.640 in any teeth, not developing a hypod I got you. Well, 0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:27.440 I don't know if hypodontia in general or just this 0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:33.119 type of hypodontao of the population. Yeah, it's specifically for 0:22:33.160 --> 0:22:36.320 those teeth. Was pretty rare, gotcha? Yeah? Two, pretty rare. 0:22:36.440 --> 0:22:39.000 Like everyone's got those teeth, And people at home are like, 0:22:39.040 --> 0:22:42.840 why are you saying all this weird stuff? Who cares? 0:22:43.200 --> 0:22:46.360 Just settle down? Everybody, settle down because it's all going 0:22:46.400 --> 0:22:48.840 to come into play. We haven't said anything that will 0:22:48.880 --> 0:22:51.399 not come back into play. All right, Should we take 0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:54.160 a break. I think we should. Everybody's getting all riled up. 0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:57.000 Let's take a break and then we're going to detail, 0:22:57.640 --> 0:23:27.440 uh for about fifteen minutes. What was in his pockets? Yeah, okay, chuck. 0:23:27.840 --> 0:23:30.440 So we went over the body. Yeah, now it's time 0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:33.760 to go through his personal effects, which were kind of 0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:36.200 weird in and of themselves. Right about the details. So 0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:40.200 when you're talking about murders and disappearances and then unsolved 0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:42.639 after seventy years, yes, you need to pay attention to 0:23:42.680 --> 0:23:45.760 the detail. What kind of podcast cops would we be 0:23:46.080 --> 0:23:48.639 if we were just like, yeah, it just sort of 0:23:48.640 --> 0:23:50.360 looked like Harveard Kite Tell and he's in a suit 0:23:50.560 --> 0:23:54.040 d and no good. It sounded like Harvey Kite Tell. 0:23:54.480 --> 0:23:58.399 Yeah it did, didn't it. Yeah it was. That was 0:23:58.480 --> 0:24:01.960 my HARVEYD. Kite telling the piano. Know, oh man, what 0:24:02.040 --> 0:24:05.280 a movie? Um? All right, So in his pockets he 0:24:05.320 --> 0:24:09.720 had a pack of juicy fruit. The juicy fruit, Yeah, 0:24:10.119 --> 0:24:13.920 chewing gum. He had some matches, Bryant and May matches. 0:24:14.840 --> 0:24:17.800 He had, uh, well, he had a lot of tickets 0:24:17.840 --> 0:24:20.960 in his pocket. He had a an unused train ticket 0:24:21.080 --> 0:24:24.479 from Adelaide to Hindley Beach. He had a bus ticket 0:24:24.680 --> 0:24:28.000