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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff Works

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Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh

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Speaker 1: Clark with Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and today is a

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Speaker 1: very special day. We have a special guest producer, Matt.

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Speaker 1: Been a while. It has been a while, man, it's

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Speaker 1: been since like two fourteen or something. Yeah, and Matt

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Speaker 1: is one half of the stuff they don't want you

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Speaker 1: to know. Oh yeah, that's right. There's three of them,

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Speaker 1: and we are sort of awkwardly reporting two of the

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Speaker 1: same shows they've done. So Matt's just sitting there with

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Speaker 1: his arms crossed, shaking his head back and forth. So

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Speaker 1: we're trying not to look at him. Are you doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm good except for Matt looking at us like that.

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Speaker 1: What do you do for the eclipse? I looked at

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Speaker 1: the eclipse unwisely, um from where from my house? I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I didn't see a full the full SCHMO. I figured, you, guys,

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Speaker 1: this would be exactly the type to drive two hours

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Speaker 1: to see it. No you did, though, huh yeah, how

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Speaker 1: was it? Well? I don't want to be one of

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Speaker 1: those dudes. But the difference between in full eclipse is

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Speaker 1: all the difference in the world. I saw it put.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember who put it, but they said that

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Speaker 1: the difference between seeing a partial eclipse and a full

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Speaker 1: eclipse is the difference between kissing a person and marrying

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Speaker 1: a person. Oh well, that's from the legendary eclipse article

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Speaker 1: from The Atlantic from okay, who wrote it? Oh man? Um?

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Speaker 1: I even like sent myself the link to read it

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Speaker 1: today and I haven't read it. It's probably Tina Turner

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Speaker 1: that the height of her career was. It was written

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Speaker 1: by Annie Dillard. Okay, it's called total Eclipse and I

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Speaker 1: haven't ready yet, but it's supposed to be just remarkable,

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Speaker 1: and that's exactly how she put it, and it was

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Speaker 1: I think so. So that would have been a year

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Speaker 1: before Bonnie Tyler came out with Total Eclipse of the Heart. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was two. Yeah. I cried, and like five other

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Speaker 1: people with this cried like spontaneously. Tears were coming out

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Speaker 1: of my face and I was like, what is happening

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Speaker 1: to my body? Did you? I mean, what have you concluded?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, man, it was just overwhelming. That's neat

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Speaker 1: to stare at the corona and we're going like two

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Speaker 1: probably Texas for the next one, like I'm going to

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Speaker 1: every path of totality that I can get to between

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Speaker 1: now and the time that I died here and the

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Speaker 1: clip said, now I'm a totalitur to totalitists. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: it was we almost didn't go, like literally that morning

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Speaker 1: we were debating and I was like, it's two hours away,

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Speaker 1: let's just get in the car and go. Um and

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Speaker 1: my daughter saw it, which was weird for her, like

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Speaker 1: The sun's calm, black, Yeah, and stars came out and

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Speaker 1: crickets chirped and it was just really strange. Yeah. Uh yeah.

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Speaker 1: It was very quick two minutes, but I think the

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Speaker 1: one in two thousand seven is going to have a

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Speaker 1: four and a half minute totality. When is it two

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Speaker 1: seven years from now? Okay, and that's that great. Maybe

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Speaker 1: we'll drive to Texas too, Well, i'll drive together. Well,

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Speaker 1: if you won't drive two hours, where you gonna go

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Speaker 1: to Texas? Oh hey, if I ever have a good

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Speaker 1: reason to go to Texas, I'll take it. Well, it's Texas.

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Speaker 1: And then I mean we may go to Akron because

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Speaker 1: that's where Emily's from. It goes through Akron. The kind

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Speaker 1: of over to Maine on that you guys should just

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Speaker 1: follow it in your van. Well, you know, I wondered

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Speaker 1: what how fast? Of course you can't do this, but

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Speaker 1: Listen to our moon episode. It's my new drug totality.

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Speaker 1: That's neat man. Yeah, I'm glad that happened to you,

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Speaker 1: happened on me. Get all over me. Uh, how okay?

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Speaker 1: You want to talk about this the eclipse. No. You

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Speaker 1: know what's funny is that we didn't do it podcasts

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Speaker 1: on eclipses. No, I thought about that. We never have,

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Speaker 1: I know, And that's just just like us, Moon goes

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Speaker 1: and have jinks just before by saying we won't be

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Speaker 1: be around, got sart. So we're talking today, Chuck about

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Speaker 1: a pretty unusual mystery. Are you familiar with this one before? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think we covered this an Internet roundup or something.

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Speaker 1: I mean we've been talked about it for sure. Um.

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Speaker 1: And then it was a lot of times you would

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Speaker 1: do one of your best things you've read this week.

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Speaker 1: We would then do an Internet roundup piece on that. Okay,

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Speaker 1: That's probably where it came up, because you're like, this

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Speaker 1: I want to share it with the twenty Yeah. Um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I probably guess the article that I did the best

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Speaker 1: body on so Merton Beach. I think is what it's called,

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Speaker 1: is the Smithsonian article from years and years it was, um,

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Speaker 1: That one, uh is a good one. There's one from

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Speaker 1: California Sunday magazine called The Lost Man. Yeah, just some

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Speaker 1: good stuff out there. If us floats your boat, it does.

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Speaker 1: But let us set let us set the theme for you, okay,

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Speaker 1: because this story takes place in Adelaide, in uh, South Australia,

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Speaker 1: said it, um, but in Adelaide, South Australia, Adelaides the capital. Uh,

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Speaker 1: You say, fine, New Zealand wants us. Yeah. New Zealand say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's an interesting place post war Um. Apparently there was.

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Speaker 1: uh for about fifteen minutes. What was in his pockets? Yeah, okay, chuck.

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Speaker 1: no idea get a couple of combs, okay, hair combs.

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00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: More to the point, there was no idea, no, no wallet,

423
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 1: no cash. Kind of odd for sure, and his clothes

424
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: were odd in and of themselves. Right, So again, he

425
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: was wearing a very nice suit, but the um makers

426
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,479
Speaker 1: labels of all of his clothes have been from what

427
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: I understand, carefully snipped away. Yeah, I saw one explanation

428
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: for this that made it seem a little less odd um,

429
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: which was back then. Apparently people oftentimes would because there

430
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 1: were nice clothes, were not scarce, but you wanted to

431
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: keep them for yourself, so you would write your name

432
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: a lot of times on your like suit, jackets and things,

433
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 1: and then if you ever went to sell them second hand,

434
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: you would flip out those labels. So that's one explanation

435
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: that's not bad. I don't know if that's a reach

436
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,959
Speaker 1: or not, but at least something could make sense out

437
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: of that. But the other thing could mean that this

438
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 1: person was being dumped and no one wanted them to

439
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 1: know who they were. It's a possibility to or that

440
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: he didn't want anyone to know who he was. That's

441
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,360
Speaker 1: another possibility as well. That's what a lot of people think,

442
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: that he was trying to cover up his own identity

443
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: as well. Um his his trousers I think had a

444
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: little repair done with orange thread, bear with us um,

445
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: and then that was about it. They they they took

446
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: fingerprints of the guy and spread around to no avail. Right.

447
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: They they've figured out after a little while. I'm not

448
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: sure when, but this would have been so November December

449
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: one is when he was found. This is too, This

450
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 1: is like July to us in the northern hemisphere, the

451
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 1: beginning of July. So starting to get hot down there, right,

452
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: You can only keep a body for so long. In

453
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: the nineteen forties in summer in Adelaide, it's already a

454
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: hot place to begin with. And um, the authorities were like,

455
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: we we can't keep this guy above ground any longer.

456
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 1: So somebody had the bright idea of making a plaster

457
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: bust of him, and they did, and they kept it

458
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: at the Morgan and they buried him in a pretty

459
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: smart way if you ask me. Yeah, they buried him,

460
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: uh with this marker. Here lies the unknown man who

461
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 1: was found at Somerton Beach first December, and he was

462
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: buried just in really dry ground so if they ever

463
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: needed to get in there they could. And they encased

464
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: him in concrete as well to realize like keep them

465
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 1: preserved as much as possible if you ever needed to

466
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 1: be exhumed, right correct. So um, like I said, they

467
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 1: took the set of fingerprints and they're still looking for

468
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: this guy. They buried him finally, but they're like, this

469
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 1: is driving us insane. Who was this man? What happened

470
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: to him? Um? So they spread the fingerprints all over Australia.

471
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: They started to send him around to America, the UK,

472
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: It just English speaking countries. Yeah. They also, uh like

473
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: kind of before they got rid of the real body,

474
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: they brought people in locals to see if anyone could

475
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: identify them. I think afterward they probably showed quite a

476
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: few people the bust and they were just trying to

477
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: do anything and nobody, nobody could recognize who this person was. No.

478
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: I mean some people saw like pictures of the bust

479
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: or the death pictures that are famous now in the newspaper,

480
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: and we're like, oh, that kind of looks like Uncle Ted.

481
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: And then they go in and see him and be

482
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:22,239
Speaker 1: like it's not Uncle Ted. Um. And so this this

483
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: the fact that this is becoming an weird unsolved mystery already,

484
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: like just quickly after the case started to kep sure

485
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: the nation's attention a little bit, and the police, the

486
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: the the South Australia State Police were not shy about

487
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: publicizing stuff as needed, Like as they developed breaks in

488
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: the case, they would tell the newspapers about it, and

489
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: the newspapers would tell the rest of the country. So

490
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: it became a pretty big sensation in Australia, so much

491
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: so that a lot of people are just basically take

492
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: it for granted that the man was not Australian. That

493
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: were he Australian, some more several people would have come

494
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: forward because the case had that much exposure nationally. Yeah,

495
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: and I am just guessing here, but I imagine nine

496
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: this part of Australia probably wasn't There weren't like millions

497
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: of people living there. I don't know how small of

498
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: a town it was, but I don't think it was

499
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: like some huge city, was it. Well, Yeah, Adelaide's the

500
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: capital of South Australia. Yeah, but is that how big

501
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: was that? Think there was like at least five people there.

502
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: And I'm going to say, at the minimum, someone's going

503
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: to write in and tell us so all right, and

504
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be mad that we didn't know. No, Australians

505
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: are nice about things, usually yeah, they are. They're the

506
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: Canadians of the South. So they decide. The cops decide

507
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: very smartly. Um, you know what, We're gonna widen this investigation.

508
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: We're going to see if anywhere in town someone has

509
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: found something. There are any possessions that this guy might

510
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: have left behind. Since he was just found with what

511
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: was in his pockets, surely there's something. And in fact

512
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: there was. They discovered there was a suitcase, brown suitcase

513
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: in a cloak room that was left there on November,

514
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: which was the night before the morning that he was

515
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: found the first time he was seen on the beach.

516
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: It was no lead, it was and because he had

517
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: that ticket that showed he had taken a bus from

518
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: the Adelaide rail station, that was one of the first

519
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: places detectives went. Uh and they found this suitcase, um,

520
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: that had been left there, like you said, on November,

521
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: and inside, um, there was some stuff that linked it

522
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: to the guy. Yeah, I mean it was full of stuff. Um,

523
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: it was clearly someone who was traveling a lot. There

524
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: were lots of clothes, shirts and scarves and underwear and

525
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: pajamas and handkerchiefs. There were two pairs of scissors, one

526
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: broken pair one in a sheath. Um, like a shave kit, screwdriver, Um,

527
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: lots of just normal travel things, razor, razor strap, all

528
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: the junk you would expect that multiple pairs of scissors

529
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: is a little weird. Thread. But the thread was the

530
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: big one orange thread yeah barber, not Australian brand barber thread,

531
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: which perfectly matched where his trousers are stitched. So it's

532
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: got to be him, right, that's the thing that really

533
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: links him with the suitcase. Um. There was also some

534
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: stencils for stenciling cargo. Yeah, that was a little weird,

535
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: very weird. Um. And there was a suit jacket that

536
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: had a what's called a feather stitch. Um. While stitching

537
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: is the lightest stitch, right, and they're like, we don't

538
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,479
Speaker 1: do this in Australia. We don't even have the sewing

539
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: machine that can do this in Australia. Yet that Taylor said,

540
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: this is an American coat. Yeah, with their feathers. Well,

541
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: he's a am a stitch right. Uh. And then inside

542
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: some of these clothes, uh was the name Keen Because

543
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: I told you people wrote on their clothes a lot

544
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: said T keen T dot keen k E n E

545
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: or k E A N. And the best cops could

546
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: figure is they someone did that to to sniff everyone

547
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: off the case, right, because they looked around and there

548
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: was no t keen or any keen that they couldn't

549
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: put their their fingers on. Who's missing? Um? And the tie?

550
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: Years later, like the cops at the time didn't know this.

551
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: I wonder if they noticed that it was slanting one

552
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: way or another. I don't know, but the they probably

553
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: just knew it looked weird for some reason. They couldn't

554
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: put their finger on. Ye. But at the time in Australia,

555
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: the the ties slanted left or right, and this guy's

556
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: tie slanted right to left, and that was the style

557
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: in America. It's like everything's oppose said, didn't this so weird?

558
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: Summer's winter and winter summer flush the toilet? It was

559
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: in a different direction. I think that's an urban legend. No,

560
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: I think that's true, right, No, I did a something

561
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: on it. Really, Yeah, I think it's an urban legend.

562
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: It's really has to do with um, the uh, the

563
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: shape of the drain. What man, That's what I was

564
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,959
Speaker 1: so looking forward to. Pooping in Australia. You can still

565
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: do it well you probably should. Actually, while we're there,

566
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to but I'm not. The joy is is dead. Well,

567
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: just don't watch it flush. Yeah, but you might be

568
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: better off. Actually in this way, I've just been used

569
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: to my poop turning into such a direction my whole life.

570
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: I was really ready for something new. All right, I'm sorry.

571
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: So the tie is opposite. They said, this is an

572
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: American tie, like you said. Uh. And then a brought

573
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: in um and actually we should say those were internet sleuths,

574
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: like within the last ten fifteen years who figured that

575
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: one out? Yeah, all right, good for you Internet. Uh. Finally,

576
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: in April, police brought in a dude, an expert pathologists

577
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: named John Cleland. And this was a big deal. Apparently

578
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: the cops in South Australia were not as thorough as

579
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: you would think, because they didn't even check his little

580
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: pocket watch pocket a little pocket inside your pocket, because

581
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: there was a really key piece of evidence rolled up

582
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: in there. Yeah, this one broke the case wide open.

583
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 1: It seemed like it would. There was a little scrap

584
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: of paper rolled up very tightly in this pocket and

585
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: written on it in some pretty fancy type setting were

586
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: the words tamum showed T A M A M S

587
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: h U D. And the cops said, what was this

588
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: first orange thread? Not some weirdo words rolled up in

589
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: this guy's pocket? What is this? And John Cleveland said,

590
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: you dopes, it's called a lead. You didn't check his pocket?

591
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: In his pocket? He said no, So they would figure

592
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: out in a little while by a stroke of luck.

593
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: It seems that um temum showed means it is finished

594
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: where it is done, or in this case, the end

595
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 1: in Persian. Right, it sounds very h random and out

596
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: of left field that anybody would know this, But a

597
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: reporter working the police beat there said named Frank Kennedy, said, no,

598
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: that I know what that's from. That's from a twelfth

599
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: century book of Persian poetry called Rubaiyat of Omar Kayam.

600
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: And that just sounds so out of left field. But

601
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: in fact that book had been translated by an English

602
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: poet named Edward Fitzgerald, and it was kind of a

603
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: big deal once it was translated into English, so it

604
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: wasn't like just so looking for obscure that nobody would

605
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: know what it was. No, it was extremely popular in

606
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: the in the West after that, I think even in America,

607
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: like there's a Peanuts comic strip that makes reference to it.

608
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: Even it was a big It was one of those

609
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 1: things where like people might not know about it, but

610
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: there are plenty of people out there who did. And

611
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: one of the reporters recognized it, right. So they realized

612
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: then that they needed to find the copy of the

613
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: Rubiyat that this came from. And they started looking and

614
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: looking and looking, and they couldn't find it. So the

615
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: state police did what they had been doing all along.

616
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: They went to the newspapers and they said, hey, we

617
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: found this weird scrap of paper. It says Tamum shooed.

618
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 1: We're told that it comes from the Rubiyat, and specifically

619
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: it's the last words of the Rubiat, right with the

620
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: last words of the last poem, right um, and go

621
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: go to it media and the media went wild and

622
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: let everybody you know. And it turns out so this

623
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: is April when they found the um the scrap of paper,

624
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: and in July they got another break based on finding

625
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: that scrap. A guy came forward and said, you know what,

626
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 1: I found this copy of the Rubyat in the backseat

627
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 1: of my car, which had been parked by Sohmerton Beach

628
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 1: around the time the man who was found on Somerton

629
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: Beach was found. And I have no idea who'se it is.

630
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 1: It's just been I put it in my glove Compartment's

631
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: been sitting there until I read this article in the newspaper. Yeah,

632
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: presumably his windows rolled down or his car was unlocked,

633
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: and whoever ripped this thing out, because they did find

634
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: out that part was ripped out from his book, just

635
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 1: tossed it in the back seat this guy's car, right,

636
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: Not very smart if you're trying to cover your tracks, No,

637
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: but maybe you're not trying to cover your tracks, right.

638
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 1: So they now have the copy of the Ruby Yatt

639
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: that the scrap of paper that came that was found

640
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: in the Sohmerton man's trousers came, yeah, which by all

641
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: accounts is a one of a kind printing, right, Yeah,

642
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: like a one off, yes, and not an addition of hundreds,

643
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: like a single printing of this one book, right, but

644
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: supposedly as part of an addition. I can't remember which

645
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: edition it was by this printer, But for years people

646
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: have been trying to track down a copy from that

647
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: edition and they couldn't find it. Well, somebody finally found one.

648
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: They're like, this is not the exact same book that

649
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: the cops found with the Somerton Man associated with Somerton Man,

650
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: which is a very odd thing, totally. Um so in

651
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: this book they get another huge break. This breaks the

652
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: case open even further. Right, They're like, surely we're going

653
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: to figure it out now. Yeah, this was huge. They

654
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: found uh, two local phone numbers. One was a bank

655
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: phone number which didn't lead to much of anything, and

656
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: another one X three to three nine, uh, belong to Well,

657
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: they found a couple of things. I found this member

658
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: that belonged to a woman, a nurse named Jessica Thompson,

659
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 1: who will talk about in a minute. And then they

660
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: also found, um, you know how we did our we

661
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: did our episode on spies and one of the things

662
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: sometimes spies would do would have these throwaway pads that

663
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: they would literally write things on and you could make

664
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: an impression such that, you know, it's like the kid's

665
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: trick where you ripped that page off and you have

666
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: what looks like a blank page that's the impression of

667
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: what was written above it. And in this little kids

668
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: will use a pencil, let's see what it says. But

669
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,439
Speaker 1: in this case, they used a UV light to see what,

670
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: by all accounts is a five line code, and then

671
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: the code is pretty odd. Yeah, I mean I think

672
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: we should read it. It'll sound like gibberish. But if

673
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 1: you're into code breaking, you probably already know about this one.

674
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 1: But if not, here we go all capital letters. Line

675
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: one is w r G O A B A b D.

676
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: Second line m l I A o I that was

677
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: scratched out. Interestingly, third line w T b I m

678
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: P A n E t P, fourth line m l

679
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: I A again that's repeated uh b O a I

680
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: a q C. And finally I T T M T

681
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: S A M S T G a B go break it,

682
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: right the eagle has landed at midnight, which they basically

683
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 1: said that go break it, and no one could know. Um, yeah,

684
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: a lot of amateur code breakers because again they went

685
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 1: to the media like you're saying, um, go break it,

686
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: and a lot of code breakers tried and failed, and

687
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: then um they contacted the Australian Naval Intelligence Service and

688
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: they tried and failed, and either the Naval Intelligence Service

689
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: or later UM sleuths concluded that it was for there's

690
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: too little information to ever break it that you didn't

691
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 1: have a key that you needed to have um. And

692
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: then it may have been as simple as the first

693
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: letter of a list that he was trying to remember, right,

694
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: because apparently they bear of a resemblance frequency wise the

695
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: first letters of common words in the English language. So

696
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: it's possible that like it's it's a to do list

697
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: that the guy was just trying to remember, you know,

698
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: by these groceries, go see this person at this time,

699
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. It is a lot of letters,

700
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: and a lot of people say, no, this is obviously

701
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 1: this spike codebook. Don't be naive. So the the cops

702
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: they there's the code breaking thing that they're doing. Then

703
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: simultaneously they're like, well, maybe we should call this local

704
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: phone number, and they did, and on the other end

705
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: a woman picked up and it turned out like you

706
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: said to be Jessica Thompson, and you want to take

707
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: another break. We're going to take a break and we'll

708
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: get to Jessica Thompson right after this. We should say,

709
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 1: coming back from break, we just got compliments from Matt.

710
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: This is like praise from Caesar on something like this.

711
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 1: Look what happened to Caesar though, Yeah, on your birthday.

712
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: Matt said, you guys really doing a great job. And

713
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: Josh said, didn't tell us that. Go back to sleep,

714
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: all right, So we promised talk of Jessica Thompson. This

715
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: is a really good lead. They called her up. She

716
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: answered the phone. It's a good first step in my

717
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: movie version, at least she answered the phone and went, huh.

718
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: She's a nurse. She was married, she had a kid

719
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 1: named Robin Thompson. Robin a boy though, right, uh. And

720
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 1: her maiden name was Harkness. Um, and this has kept

721
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: private for a lot of years. Her name was she

722
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 1: asked him to keep it a secret. And I read

723
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: a bunch of accounts, most of which said that, you know,

724
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 1: she may have had a few boyfriends here and there affairs. Um.

725
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: The paternity of Robin Thompson was called into question more

726
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: than once. So UM, I think that the general idea

727
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: was that she was probably just trying to keep this

728
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: quiet too. So she, you know, in the nineteen forties,

729
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 1: wouldn't be outed as a trollop, right And then cops said, sure,

730
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: no problem. And actually, to this day, the state police

731
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: have never publicly identified Jessica Thompson as the mystery woman

732
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: whose phone number was written in the Somerton Man's copy

733
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: of The Rubiyat. Yeah, but in two thousand thirteen her

734
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: family came forward and publicly identified her. And even though

735
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: the police haven't confirmed it, it's been known for so

736
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: many years that that was probably who it was. That again,

737
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: it's basically taken for granted as a fact of the

738
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: case that she is that woman. Yeah, her nickname was

739
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: justin j E. S. T y N. That's how she

740
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: inscribed copies of this Ruby Yacht. Um. Well, and I

741
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: guess that sort of gives away what happens next. Yeah.

742
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: The cops are like, okay, okay, we've gone through a

743
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: lot to get to you. Lady. Have you given a

744
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: copy of this twelfth century book of Persian poetry called

745
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: The Ruby Yacht to anybody? And she goes, yes, I have.

746
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 1: And the cops are like, yes, we're about to figure

747
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: it out. And they said who who have you given

748
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: it to? And she said a bloke named Alfred Boxall.

749
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: They said, okay, we'll call you back, and they hung

750
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 1: up and ran around looking for Alfred Boxall. Well, yeah,

751
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: they probably figured, you know, that's Harvey Kitel uh. And

752
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: they were unfairly to Albert Alfred boxall disappointed when they

753
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: found it. He was alive and well in New South Wales,

754
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: and he said, yeah, I got the book right here.

755
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: She she gave them to all her lovers. Uh. There

756
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: was speculation that perhaps they you know, she gave it

757
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: to him over drinks one night, that he perhaps had

758
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: been one of her lovers. Yeah, oh yeah, And I

759
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: think it's probably absolutely correct because she had inscribed it,

760
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: like I said, with Justin and that's how the cops

761
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 1: referred to her on their case files. Uh. So they went,

762
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: you're alive, great, and he said, yeah, but I've got

763
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: the book like not all was lost and it was intact.

764
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: That's correct. So they said, oh, you've got to be

765
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: kidding me. This lead, the lead of all leads. I

766
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: was gonna break this case wide open. It it's a

767
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: dead end, are you Are you kidding me? And one

768
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: of the officers developed a permanent scarf from banging his

769
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: head slowly against the wall. He couldn't be stopped, couldn't

770
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: be consoled, And so they said, okay, a lady, your

771
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: phone number was in this thing, so we want you

772
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: to come down to the Morrigan just take a look

773
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: at this bust we made of the dead guy and

774
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: um and they said, also, is there anything else, anything

775
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: weird happened to you and like the last year or so,

776
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: And she said, well, the only thing I can think

777
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: of is that my neighbors said to me once when

778
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: I came home one day that and some man they

779
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: didn't know it, called on my house and uh, that

780
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: was it. That's the literally the weirdest thing that's happened

781
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: to me on her door. Her neighbors didn't know. It

782
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: happens to be like three times a week. Um. So

783
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: as they bring her in to look at this bus,

784
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: Detective Sergeant Liona Lean and uh, he was one of

785
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: the two leads that was not an Australian accent, ok.

786
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: And um, I don't know what kind of backs and

787
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: it was. It was mid Atlantic, but I was not

788
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: trying to do Australian. Uh. And he said that quote

789
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: she was completely taken aback to the point of giving

790
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: the appearance she was about to faint end quote like

791
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: she knows who this dude is. Yeah, she's a nurse.

792
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: First of all. She was even looking at a body,

793
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: but she has a nurse, so she wouldn't be freaked

794
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: out by any of this. No, and again it wasn't

795
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: even a body. It was a plaster bus. Yeah, right.

796
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: But she's like and they go, did you know him?

797
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: And she goes, no, no, I didn't. Just got some heartburn,

798
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: and uh, I have nothing more to say about this,

799
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: so don't ever ask me. And she clammed up. Not

800
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: weird at all, No, not at all. So immediately the

801
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: cops are like, you know, way more than you're letting on.

802
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: But apparently they didn't, you know, beat up people that

803
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: they had in custody to get information out of them.

804
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: So they let her go and just said, oh, well,

805
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,959
Speaker 1: I guess we'll never know the answer to this mystery. Yeah,

806
00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 1: there's a retired detective named Gary felt Us. Is it Gary?

807
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: I thought Jerry g E R R Y Probably Jerry. Yeah,

808
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: I'm you've convinced me. That's funny. We we just crossed

809
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 1: over to one another side again. Uh. So he took

810
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: up this case later in life, and um, he actually

811
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 1: interviewed her in two thousand seven. He said she was

812
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: evasive under questioning and like, this lady knew something. Yeah,

813
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: and again this guy was him. He's a hobbyist, amateur

814
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 1: sleuth on this case. I love those guys. But he

815
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: had forty years experienced as a detective in Adelaide, so

816
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: he knows questioning people. Have you seen the Netflix documentary

817
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: series The Keepers. No, I haven't even heard of it.

818
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,439
Speaker 1: It is about a cold case murder of a nun

819
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: um in the nineteen nineteen sixties, I think, And uh,

820
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 1: they're there are these amateur detectives that have been working

821
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: on this all these years. These two women in particular,

822
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: learn that were students of this none at school that

823
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: are just amazing, And like, is this really get an

824
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: appreciation for these people who like become obsessed with the

825
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: solving these cases that aren't even like family members or anything,

826
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: you know, Is it a like jama or documentary ten

827
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 1: part documentary seriousness? Oh wow, I gotta see that. Oh dude,

828
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: It's one of the most upsetting things I've ever had

829
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: to sit through. And that's all I'm gonna say. I've

830
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: been waiting for this since I've finished making Um Making

831
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: of a Murderer. Yeah, it's better, I think. I like that,

832
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 1: But what what very disturbing stuff. Wow, I gotta go

833
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,959
Speaker 1: any you gotta leave it. So hats off to you,

834
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: amateur sluice out there for for getting in the way

835
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: of real police, no, for for doing work that real police.

836
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: These are cold cases that they're hard pressed to get

837
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: information anymore in most cases. So I was just kidding

838
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: sniffing people off the case after the cops say, right,

839
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: And I was kind of mad not to get too

840
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: derailed by this, that these cold cases just sort of stay. Um.

841
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: But then you think, like there's you know, you can't

842
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: just concentrate on a forty year old murder case, and

843
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 1: there's so many current things you've got to be looking into.

844
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: Plus it's hard um. All right, So back to Thompson

845
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: evasive under questioning UM later on her son Robert, I'm sorry, Robin,

846
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: like we said earlier, Uh, he started looking into it,

847
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: got really interested in trying to figure this thing out.

848
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: Oh he did, he did. I didn't know that. And

849
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: he turned out to be a professional dancer with the

850
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: calves of Lena Horn and the Australian Ballet right and

851
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,919
Speaker 1: hypodancha in exactly the same way that the Somerton man had.

852
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: And he had the same ears. Yeah, so a lot

853
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: of people, again, there's something that hasn't been proven, but

854
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: most people take as conclusive fact that Robin Thompson, son

855
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: of Jessica Thompson, who didn't know the Somerton Man, was

856
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: the son of the Somerton Man. Yeah, what I saw

857
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,879
Speaker 1: was between the ear and the teeth. Um, they put

858
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: odds for both of those things at about it's quite

859
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 1: a range between one and ten million and one and

860
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 1: twenty million. Okay, but let's just say it's one in

861
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 1: ten million. That's say it's one in a trillion. At

862
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: that point, it's the same thing basically, So eventually another

863
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:44,280
Speaker 1: was it the same amateur sleuth? Not Jerry Derek Abbott

864
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: is a different sleuth. There are rivals. It's hilarious they

865
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: hate each other. Um. He got involved and said, you

866
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna get Robin in here for a

867
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: DNA test. Um, Robin's a hymn, but it says here

868
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: hers him right. No, Uh, Robin's daughter was the one

869
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,760
Speaker 1: who took the DNA test. Bobbin is long dead, gotcha,

870
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: got you? Okay? Oh No, I think I had a

871
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,399
Speaker 1: backwards and I don't think he got involved in trying

872
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: to figure it out because he's dead. Okay. That's why

873
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 1: I was like, I was kind of surprised, but gotcha.

874
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: So he got her daughter to take a DNA test

875
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: and then trace back the paternal lineage, which would have

876
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: been um possibly the Somerton man, who by all accounts

877
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: seemed like he was American, Yeah, which would have explained

878
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: the tie um perhaps the thread yeah uh. And what else?

879
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: The fact that no one in Australia could identify him

880
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 1: or was willing to identify him. Um. So the the

881
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: only thing left then after that is okay, well, somebody

882
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: just dig up the Somerton man like he buried him

883
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: in such a way so we could do this. Well,

884
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 1: it turns out in Australia, from what I saw, there

885
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: are two reasons that a judge will let you exhume

886
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: a body. One is to contest a will. There's no

887
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: will or a state really in question here. And then

888
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 1: the other one is to identify a lost soldier, a

889
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 1: soldier lost at war. Other than that, you're gonna it's

890
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: it's an up, it's an uphill battle getting a body exhumed.

891
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: And two different times Derek Abbott, who actually um as

892
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: an aside, married Robin Thompson's daughter who took the DNA

893
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: test at his behest um He petitioned twice to have

894
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:37,280
Speaker 1: Somerton Man exhumed, and twice he was turned down because

895
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: um obsessive curiosity was not a good enough reason to

896
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: dig up a body. So he swabbed the inside of

897
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: her cheek, and that was true love exactly got get

898
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,919
Speaker 1: in there over candle light. Um gave her. He gave

899
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: her a hand pie. Oh God, So here are the theories.

900
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: Um well, I'm gonna go ahead and start with my

901
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: favorite theory, which sort of is in here but not

902
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: really uh suicide m I think that perhaps, and I

903
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: didn't invent this, but of the theories I've read, I

904
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: liked this one. I think that he um It was

905
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: an American man. We had an affair with Jenny nurse

906
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: Thompson Justin and went there, traveled there, um found out

907
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: she was pregnant. Uh In was rejected and went down

908
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: and killed himself by poison and was prepared to do so.

909
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: And the other things I've read said that he could.

910
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 1: You know, the things that don't add up was like

911
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: the body was found with no like vomit, which a

912
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 1: lot of times happened if you are poisoned, even if

913
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: you're not one of the last things you do is

914
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: your life is ending is throw up. Usually, Oh, it's

915
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: pretty common. No one never tells you that. Yeah, like

916
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: the dinner party. You've never been told that. No one

917
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 1: ever tells you two things in life that you poop

918
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: when you have a baby, and you poop and you

919
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: throw up before you die, and you poop when you

920
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: die too, when you die. I think, so, I guess

921
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,720
Speaker 1: that's why Elvis died on the toilet. Yeah, very efficient

922
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:21,399
Speaker 1: to go out with some dignity. Um, so where was I? Oh?

923
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: So he The thing I read said that perhaps he

924
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: went down to the shore line, drank the poison through that,

925
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: you know, into the water, and maybe like vomited and

926
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: riched there and then kind of went back up the

927
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: beach and lay there to die and and maybe had

928
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: one less cigarette. Very possible. So that's one theory. Another

929
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 1: theory is that he died by poison, but that it

930
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: was murder. Sure. As this case is being coming more

931
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: and more publicized, the public came to widely believe that

932
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: he was a spy. And then as more details of

933
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: the case spread out more and more over the decades

934
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: um this this vision of aspiring emerged with Jessica Thompson

935
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: as this communist spy master who was posing as a housewife,

936
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 1: and sommerton Man was a spy who worked for her

937
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: or arrival spy, and Alfred Boxall was a spy who

938
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: worked for which would explain why she gave both of

939
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: them copies of the Rubiyat, and that actually the copies

940
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: of the Rubiyat were one time pads themselves, which were

941
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 1: actually the keys to crack the code. Unfortunately, the cops

942
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: uh in Adelaide through the ruby At. That was the

943
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: summer to Man's away in the fifties. Yeah, they got

944
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: rid of the suitcase in the eighties. Maybe it was both.

945
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: Maybe he was a spy who loved her, could have been.

946
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: But the murder theory is that Alfred Boxall murdered the man,

947
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: or she had him murder him, and then they took

948
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: his body to the seaside. Alfred Boxall was actually confronted

949
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: with that in the seventies on TV and he's like,

950
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: that's pretty ridiculous everybody. Some people are like, we know

951
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: you were in intelligence World War Two. It turns out

952
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: he was like an army engineer or something like that.

953
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: He wasn't an intelligence and everyone said, that's just what

954
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: a murderer would say. That's ridiculous on TV. So there right. So,

955
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: the the idea that the so much to man's copy

956
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: of the Ruby was basically a one of a kind,

957
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: it seems definitely lends credence to the idea that it's

958
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: possible he was a spy in that code for sure. Um,

959
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: so that's another big, strong possibility. Here's the thing I

960
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: saw too. In nine, a third witness came forward shared

961
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 1: never before revealed story that he was on the beach

962
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: in the wee hours of the morning and saw a

963
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 1: man carrying an unconscious man over shoulder towards that spot,

964
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: but was dark, could not identify anything, and nothing ever

965
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: came of that. Stuff like that, give me my money

966
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 1: for the movie, right, stuff like that. I think it

967
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 1: could be either it wasn't him or just you know,

968
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, people are they just make

969
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: something up to get on. And then I thought the

970
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: same thing with the hand raising up, like maybe that

971
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: didn't even happen. Well, yeah, that was That's another thing.

972
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: Like what I realized from researching this, Chuck, was that

973
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 1: this this case has been so muddied with conjecture and

974
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: false truths um that have just spread across the Internet

975
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: that like, did the Lions ever recant their version of

976
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: seeing him move? If so, then then maybe he was

977
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: dead when he was taken out to the beach. Who knows,

978
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 1: Like you really have to dive in. But if you

979
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: if you want to dive in, this mystery, maybe even

980
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: more than any others, is just uh, just a just

981
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: an enormously deep rabbit hole to get sucked into, because

982
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 1: I mean, even if they dug up sober to man,

983
00:59:55,880 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 1: it's found conclusively that he was Robin Thompson's father, that

984
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: still doesn't say who he actually was. It doesn't idea

985
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: And it's just like how this mystery unfolded as the

986
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: police were investigating it. You can, you can crack the

987
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: case in one major way and it'll probably lead to

988
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: a dead end. There's still always this tantalizing mystery that

989
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: we may never know. So Merton Man, Tamim shooed, Okay,

990
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 1: I just said something. Person. If you want to know

991
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: more about so Merton Man, you should go listen to

992
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: the stuff they don't want you to know episode on

993
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: it or watch it. I'm not sure if it's video

994
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: or audio, maybe both Uh. And you can also check

995
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 1: out the Lost Man on California Sunday Magazine and the

996
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: Body on Somerton Beach on Smithsonian, among many many other

997
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 1: great articles. And since I said many, it's time for

998
01:00:51,360 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: listener mail. Uh, I'm gonna call this on accents. And

999
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: I gotta say, we got more email on stuttering and

1000
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: accents and I've seen in a long long time. UM,

1001
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:12,959
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think a new accents would be big.

1002
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 1: Stuttering really hit home with a lot of people, I think.

1003
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 1: And the well there's that there's a stuttering email too.

1004
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 1: It's either going to be on the next one or

1005
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,439
Speaker 1: the one that was just released hitting on the order.

1006
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: You may have heard it here, it's upcoming. Hey, guys,

1007
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 1: listen to accents. And I wanted to hopefully set up

1008
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 1: I set the record straight with Chuck's help. My name

1009
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 1: is Chris and I'm from New Jersey and I've heard

1010
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 1: Chuck mentioned a few times he lived in New Jersey

1011
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 1: for a bit. First off, where did you live, what

1012
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 1: brought you here, and why did you leave? Um? I

1013
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 1: lived in Bernardsville next to Basking Ridge. Um, sort of

1014
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 1: near Morristown is the biggest town that you might have

1015
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: heard of. Uh, and not far from Bedminster Golf Club.

1016
01:01:56,040 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, Um, what brought me there? I lived there

1017
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: after college because it was a free place to live

1018
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: because of a roommates parents who were out of the

1019
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:11,959
Speaker 1: country in Australia. Actually, it's all coming together. They didn't

1020
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: want to sell their house, so they said, you guys

1021
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 1: are done with college. You want to live here for free,

1022
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: hang out New York. We said, sure, And why did

1023
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 1: I leave? I left because they came back. That'd be

1024
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 1: weird if I was still living there. Uh. Anyway, he

1025
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 1: might be able to confirm my suspicions. People from New

1026
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 1: Jersey don't have an accent, but if they do, it's

1027
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 1: slight New York New York accent at any. Um, No,

1028
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 1: you definitely have accents. You're insane. In my opinion, many

1029
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 1: older adults have moved from New York and New Jersey

1030
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: for the suburbs. Seeing many older people meet and talk

1031
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: about the street they grew up on in Brooklyn or

1032
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 1: the like. I would like to make like it made

1033
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: clear that no one from New Jersey says New Joysey.

1034
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 1: That's true. If anything that is in New York accent, Chuck,

1035
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: can you confirm. I can confirm I never heard anyone

1036
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: say New Joysey, but I cannot confirm that there's accent

1037
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: because I definitely have an accident in New Jersey. Um.

1038
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 1: In fact, one of the things that I noticed there's

1039
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 1: not so much an accent, but people in New Jersey

1040
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 1: would say button instead of button or like you know,

1041
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 1: words that are split in half like that. They would

1042
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 1: stop like a hard stop button. You know, I'm talking

1043
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 1: about very New Jersey. And they call everyone kid. Yeah,

1044
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 1: I knew that you ear that a kid, even if

1045
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: they're older than you. I didn't appreciate that anyway. I

1046
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 1: hope Chuck agrees. Also, I hope he's a fan of

1047
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 1: pork Roll and not Taylor Ham. I'm a fan of

1048
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 1: Taylor pork Roll. I don't if that accounts. I thought

1049
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 1: that was the only pork Roll. Thanks for the endless

1050
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 1: amounts of entertainment. He's seeing you guys in Brooklyn on

1051
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 1: the upcoming tour. So Chris Ortado from Highland Park, New Jersey.

1052
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see at the Bellhouse. Thanks Chris.

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