WEBVTT - Breaking News Podcast: Coaching Update 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:10.959 The following. Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:20.360 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is an exclusive 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:28.640 presentation of Dallas Cowboys Breaking News. What's up everyone, I 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:30.960 don't know if this is breaking news. There's some stuff 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:34.200 that maybe broke this week and this morning, and we're 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:36.400 just here to talk about it. I'm Nick Eatman, Dave Hellman, 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:39.239 Rob Phillips. You guys know us, and you know we're 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:41.920 supposed to just do one podcast a week. But yeah, 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:45.080 if stuff happens on Friday, you know it's January and 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:49.839 your football season's not one hundred percent over until you 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:52.960 get all this staff stuff settled. Head on a swivel 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:56.280 all the time. And so this morning, Jerry Jones gotten 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:59.600 on the radio and did some talking and he was 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:02.080 in utter mood that he was last Friday. I think 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:04.760 last Friday was probably the reason why we were We 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:06.880 had all this to talk about this. This was not 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:10.240 a scheduled appearance, was it? He called into the fan 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:12.959 because he had some stuff to say. Yeah. He he 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:15.920 didn't even just call it like he told them ahead 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:17.640 of time. He was like, hey, I'm calling it ten. 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:19.800 We got some stuff that we need to talk about. 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:24.640 So and every reporter in town is so excited about that. Um, 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:29.600 they obviously want their chance to interview Jerry. And and 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:31.760 you know there's that's and that's been going on for 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:33.520 the last couple of years with with COVID. I mean 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:37.480 you usually Jerry has made a lot more appearances, uh, 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:39.959 just after a game or a training camp or whatever. 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:42.240 But you know, it's kind of been one oh five 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:44.560 three the fan that's that's done. I would say the 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:48.920 majority of Jerry talks so and you well with players 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:51.360 post yeah, yeah, you've had I've had something, yeah, but 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:53.280 but Jerry, but it comes to Jerry though, the guy 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:57.360 that's saying stuff. Yeah, I mean it definitely. Um, you 0:01:57.400 --> 0:01:59.480 know it's resorting to the radio. So let let's get 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:00.880 to that. Let's say, well, what do he talked about? 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:04.160 What was and I'll start with you what was the 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:08.120 number one thing that he said this morning that kind 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:12.399 of caught your attention? Well, I mean dan Quinn. We're 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:15.200 here for breaking news about dan Quinn that he's staying 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:18.680 and that Jerry termed it as for some years to 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:21.240 come as the defensive coordinator. We'll see what happens a 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:23.320 year from now, depending on how the team goes, how 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:26.400 the defense performs, maybe there's more opportunities for dan quinn 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:29.640 going forward. But he put to rust any speculation about 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:32.120 Mike McCarthy's job for twenty twenty two, and that's what 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:36.359 everybody's been wondering for the last week. And I think 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:39.840 that was that you could qualify as breaking news in itself, 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:43.440 even though he told not the guys on the fan 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:46.080 who did a good job asking the questions like I 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:49.280 didn't create this, you know, this is speculation about Mike's 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:51.960 job and I never said that his job was in question. Yeah, 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:55.679 I mean that's my big takeaways Just what just the 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:59.679 quintessential Cowboys news cycle is what we just went through, 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:03.400 not dull, but never dull, the way that it can 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:06.440 just kind of materialize at a thin air. Because whether 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:09.240 he did it on purpose or not, Jerry did start this. 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:12.920 He might not have meant to, but his lack of 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:16.400 commentary on Mike's job security and the question was specific 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:20.040 question was is Mike you're coach in twenty twenty two 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:21.720 and he just was like, I don't want to talk 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:25.079 about anybody on our staff. I'm not doing that. All 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:27.800 the guys I want under contractor under contract, which so 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:31.639 he did sort of say it, but he didn't say, hell, yeah, 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:36.000 Mike's our guy. And so then the biggest, most visible 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:40.000 franchise in the league that everybody in media, for better 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:44.080 or for worse, nos generates conversation and attention, kind of 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:46.840 starts taking that and running with it. I also don't think, 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:49.680 I do not think it would have become what it 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:54.240 was if Sean Payton hadn't coincidentally retired on Tuesday, which 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:57.760 had nothing to do with this. Although I'm you're going 0:03:57.840 --> 0:03:59.520 to get to that, I assume, well, yeah, I mean, 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.080 well before we get to that, because you know, when 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:05.360 Jerry talks about it, talks about Sean Payton and stuff 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:08.680 like that. That's stuff that we report on. We don't, 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:11.560 you know, typically talk about other teams players or coaches. 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:14.040 He's not another coach right now for another team. I 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:17.280 mean he is, He's out there. I guess, like it's 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:19.920 kind of weird. He I mean, the Saints still hold. 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:22.880 So I mean, I do think you're still at the 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:27.000 end of the day talking about, yeah, somebody else's employee. 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:29.960 Because for better and it's not just the Cowboys, like 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:33.920 any team that wanted to acquire him would they would 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:36.000 have to compensate the sense like you don't just call 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:38.440 him and say, hey, come over here. Yeah, and Jerry 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:40.800 Jerry was asked to direct questions about him and and 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:43.400 there they're friends, they have a relationship going forward. I 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:46.080 think that was he was complimentary of his career as 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:50.000 a coach. It wasn't really in the perspective of speculation 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:52.280 about next year and what Sean would do and all 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:54.359 of that, which is a whole another layer to this 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:57.080 McCarthy stuff that his job is safe and all of that. 0:04:57.440 --> 0:04:59.840 But again, I think I just think that through ga 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:03.279 lean on the fire and obvious out regardless of whether 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:05.840 he meant to do it or not, like Jerry Jones 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:09.040 recognized that this is something he needs to kind of 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:12.200 put the kabash on, because again he called unscheduled and 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:15.960 was like, let's Mike is not twisting in the wind. 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:19.520 Mike helped me get Dan back here all week and 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:22.280 he actually so I wrote the story about this. He 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:25.320 did make an interesting comment that slipped past me um 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:29.880 when it was live. He was like, he's like Mike 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.239 told y'all at his press conference that we had talked 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:36.000 and he was good and just nobody listened to him 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:39.280 like nobody cared that he said that that did happen? Well, 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:42.200 I know, but did Mike say specifically, yes, I was, 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:46.400 and I'm and I'm going full steam ahead and the 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:48.560 way he put it, and so read into that how 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:51.000 you want, Mike. But Mike Fisher also was like, so 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:53.320 this it's a non issue for you, and Mike was 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:57.760 Mike McCarthy was like, yeah, I mean it's again. Maybe 0:05:57.760 --> 0:05:59.839 he wasn't just like, yeah, Jerry told me I'm the 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:03.480 I for five more years, but semantics it was. It 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:06.479 seemed pretty clear coming from McCarthy that he wasn't really 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:10.120 concerned about it. Jerry strikes again though again here we 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:15.640 are Friday before the conference championship games. Yeah, and it's 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:18.440 what happens Dallas Cowboys's good for us. We got a 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:21.600 website to fill. Dave said in late January, I'm gonna 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:23.960 be I'm a lot not playing anymore. I'm a lot 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:27.200 less stressed, like do we have enough content to get 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:29.000 us through the next you know, next week or not 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:33.760 weekend or not playing anymore. But got a huge victory. 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:38.480 He did say that quote huge victory. Let's talk about 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:42.200 Dan a little bit more there that deserves to be 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:45.200 the storyline, like more so than the stuff with Mike. 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:47.920 Like it, it's pretty remarkable that they managed to keep him. 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:50.120 I mean, when you think about all the jobs he 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:54.120 was interviewing for and so then and then without Dan talking, now, 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:56.440 it's just a lot of speculation. Maybe he didn't want 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:58.760 a quarterback, Maybe he didn't like the quarterback situation in 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:02.480 other places, Maybe he wants to coach here, whatever it is. 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:05.000 I just I don't know if y'all got this feeling. 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:06.520 I kind of got it about a week ago that 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:09.160 just like, this is not and I said, was it's 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:12.040 not a slam dunk, but he's gone. Didn't know for 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:14.600 sure that he was going to stay. I just got 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:17.480 this feeling that it was not just that I'm out 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:20.200 the door. I'm getting a job somewhere. And and you know, 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:22.960 I wonder how much Michael Parsons plays into this. You know, 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:26.360 how much do you really want to coach this guy? Um? 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:29.840 And you know, maybe he'll carry him, you know, they'll 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:33.760 carry each other. Two greater things. I just I thought 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:35.680 it was a slam dunk. I just I'm just doing 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:39.720 the mental math, like, Okay, six of these eight openings 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:41.920 have asked to talk to him, and he's a finalist 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:47.160 for two of them, and Denver in Chicago. Those those 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:50.400 on paper, I'm not intimately familiar with them, but those 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:53.960 look like good situations to me. I mean, Denver's got 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:56.240 some great players in the secondary that you can work 0:07:56.280 --> 0:08:01.520 with Simmons and Certanu obviously, I mean Cago working with 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:04.760 Khalil Mack and Roquan Smith sounds fun to me. Plus 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:07.400 the whatever you've got in justin field. So I thought 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:09.560 he was gone. I definitely thought he was gone, and 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:12.640 credit credit to Jerry that he's not. I guess I 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:15.680 thought there was a chance that he could come back 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:18.440 one because we kind of heard those rumblings in two. 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:22.040 There's a couple of reasons. One Jerry. When Jerry wants 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:24.840 to keep somebody, whether it's or sign somebody, whether it's 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:27.480 a free agent, Jerry finds a way to get it done. 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:29.760 It doesn't always work with coaches, but he referenced a 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:32.200 couple of different situations in the last fifteen years, one 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:36.040 of them being Sean Payton. After the fourth season, Sean 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:40.000 was the assistant head coach quarterbacks coach, and the Raiders 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:42.840 wanted him and they bumped his salary up pretty nice 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:44.920 to stay with with Bill Parcels. And then it was 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:47.920 Jason Garrett after the seven season when they won thirteen games, 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:50.880 staying on as THEOC. So when Jerry wants something done 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.320 like this, he can find a way to get it done. 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:56.000 Whether he didn't he didn't. He didn't specifically talk about 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:59.160 salary with Dan, but I think it's been reported there was. 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:02.080 There was an extent there he did. And again something 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:04.760 I missed, he did say the word extend, so like 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:07.319 they extended Dan, he did say extend. He said, yeah, 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:10.240 he did. The other side of it too, is you 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:12.600 mentioned some of those good players on those other teams 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:14.720 and justin fields like I believe, I think he's going 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:16.320 to turn out to be a really good starter in 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:19.600 the league. But in terms of like the job openings 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:24.599 that were out there, how many like true franchise quarterbacks 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:26.959 are there. And if there's one thing I took away 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:29.000 from the playoff weekend last week, is you got to 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:31.320 have one of those guys, and especially if you're going 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:33.760 to coach in the AFC West moving forward. And I 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:35.880 think that that Dan probably looked I don't know if 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:38.240 he looked at it. That way. But he's got enough 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:42.760 clout and enough accomplishments as opposed to a first year coordinator, 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:44.960 a guy that's just starting out to say I could 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:48.520 probably run this back and still have opportunities. The writing 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:50.920 is absolutely on the wall that I mean, we'll be 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:53.000 going through this again next year, just in terms of 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:56.240 like Dan being a coordinator to know. As far as 0:09:56.320 --> 0:10:00.800 job openings, well, you know, if the Cowboys don't make 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:04.199 it to the divisional round or to play out, you 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:06.640 know whatever, I don't know if we're gonna be talking 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:10.040 about it the same way. I mean I don't. It 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:12.080 just depends on what it looks like, right, I mean, 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:15.240 if the defense looks like it did this year and 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:18.920 it is pretty clearly not the reason why they're at home, yeah, 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:21.960 I don't. I don't think it'll change anything for him. Well, no, 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:23.959 I don't think it'll change anything for him. I think 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:26.800 it'll change something for Mike McCarthy. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:30.920 which would maybe change something for Dan Quinn. If it's 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:34.040 the same type of situation where you know, the games 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:36.400 that the Cowboys lost, you know they lost in the 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:39.560 Kansas City, couldn't score touchdown, I think dan Quinn did 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:42.520 a pretty good job with that defense against Mahomes. And 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:44.920 then you know, like if it's losses like that where 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:49.200 they're losing they scored seventeen points and didn't win, then 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:50.959 then yeah, I think I think there's a way to 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:53.880 do that. But I've always said this about assistance that 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:56.320 might take over. It's like, as long as they're not 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:59.199 the reason why the coach is getting fired, which I 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:02.080 always thought was weird about Jason Garrett and Wade Phillips, 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:04.520 like how's this going to happen? You know, So it's 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:07.720 always tricky. It's it's always a risk too for a 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:11.160 coach to he may never be this hot as an 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:14.360 assistant coming off of this seat, like six teams plus 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:16.960 wanting to talk to you. But like I said, the 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:19.760 guys wanted Super Bowl as a DC. He really should 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:21.880 have a Super Bowl as a head coach. The way 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:24.040 that thing ended, I know he doesn't, but he had 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:28.679 his team in position to do that biggest comeback in 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:31.600 Super Bowl history. I mean, it's it's unfathomable what happened 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:36.920 there against New England. But to your point about Mica, like, yeah, 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:38.600 I'm sure he looks at it like I've got two 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:41.560 of maybe the top five best young defensive players in 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:45.520 the league. Now, all three levels of this defense could 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:48.559 look different though, in terms of the free agents and 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:51.000 the guys they got to try to keep and to 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:53.880 draft and all that stuff. Defense. We talk about it 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:55.400 all the time. We've talked about it on our show, 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:59.560 like it's harder to sustain top tier success on defense 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:01.720 than it is on offense, especially when you think about 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:05.920 everything that could be in flux. I mean, two of 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:09.360 the five best playmakers on this defense or headed for 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:12.240 free agency right now. Yeah, so I mean, yeah, you 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:16.319 got I'll keep all that stuff. Here's the thing about 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:18.640 about having dan Quinn back that I think is so 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:22.200 exciting is that now And we didn't see it last 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:25.200 year because we didn't know what to expect. But I'm 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:27.680 just gonna make up a random player. I don't even 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:29.920 I don't even just making up a guy like on 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:34.280 Madden Mode. Okay, there's a linebacker named Chris Robinson and 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:37.080 he's a fourth year guy, and he played for the 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:39.560 Colts and the Jets or whatever, and he's a special 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:42.480 teams guy and he's had a lot of he started 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:44.800 twelve games one year, but a mainly special teams guy, 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:47.240 but he's really tall and long and whatever. And he 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:49.280 signs here on a two year deal and you're like, 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:51.920 who's this guy? Just like we said about who's jay 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:55.680 Ron Curse. But the difference is is that dan Quinn 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:58.040 has vision for these guys. He had one for Curse, 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:00.360 he had one for for you know, a lot of 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:02.640 those draft picks he brought in. So now when we 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:04.880 now on free agency, when he signed some guy that 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:06.960 just because you hadn't heard of, You're like, well, I'm 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:10.120 gonna hold the whole judgment on this because Jalon Kurst 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:11.800 should have been in the Pro Bowl and still might 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:16.040 be depending on alternatives. Yeah, so the expectations on a 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:19.400 million dollars signing in March are gonna be different this 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:21.439 time around. I would get and be like, Okay, well 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:23.120 you know he, oh he coached a MI in Atlanta. 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:26.640 It's like, well, he coached Kazy in Atlanta two and 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:29.000 he was pretty good, you know, not Cam O'Neil. Thing 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:31.760 didn't really work out like I thought it would, And yeah, 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:33.959 I thought he'd be better than that. But you know, 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:36.520 it's funny you talked about vision though, because I think 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:41.280 Mike is the best example of that, like Mica Micah Parsons. Yeah, 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:46.320 like it is. Would previous regimes have been as creative 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:49.439 or willing to jump him into situations like they did 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:53.400 last year Week two. You lose Randy and DeMarcus for 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:55.880 that Week two game against the Charge. Say no, he's 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:58.480 a defensive end. He's a pass rusher for fifty snaps 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:01.400 and he can do it. And to trust him to 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:04.040 do that. I mean that the point about you made 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:07.520 about putting guys in position, like, he's the best example 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:10.080 of finding all It's like having a great trainer in boxing, 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:12.400 Like that's what Quinn is to Michael Parsons and to me, 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:15.360 having Quinn back to help mikea grow is as big 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:17.360 as what you talk about having an OC and keep 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:19.520 the structure in place for a quarterback. To me, that's 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:22.080 the same type of thing on defense. Well, that makes sense. 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:24.880 That's a great segue. We can get into keeping the 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:28.920 same structure on offense with an offensive coordinator. I thought 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:32.000 one of the most interesting things that Jerry said was 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:35.000 as when it was being reported again that Kellen Moore 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:37.920 is interviewing for the second time with the Dolphins, and 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:40.320 Jerry said, yes, I might get the sense that he 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:45.080 will be back, So I guess he's predicting how the 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:48.160 interview will go, or maybe he's hearing what Miami's really 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:50.440 looking for. Yeah, I don't know. I thought that was 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:52.560 kind of interesting. Yeah, I got a guy for a 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:55.880 second interview. I'm kind of like, who you know, who's 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:58.120 got his locker, who's taking over his office? I mean, 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:01.880 that's kind of what you're thinking. Absolutely, And I think 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:04.760 Kellen's scheduled to go talk to them on like Monday 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:08.480 or early next week was the report. But yeah, I 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:11.120 mean Jerry made it sound like he's gonna be back, 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:15.160 and honestly that I don't think that should be surprising, 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:19.600 just with the way the season ended. The offense couldn't 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:21.760 really find a groove for the second half of the season. 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:25.080 I mean, I know people listening to this. I think 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:27.320 I said this in the office yesterday. Like the attitude 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:30.240 from the fan base right now is either like, if 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:33.560 Kellen comes back, it's either yeah, I guess that's fine, 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:37.720 or oh God, no, please God not Kellen Moore. Like 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:43.600 nobody's like actively campaigning quite a shift, dude, October. I'm 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:46.080 gonna remember this. I'm gonna remember this season for a 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:49.360 long time, for a lot of reasons. But I just 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:53.040 in October, like we were just buried in emails and 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:56.240 questions and tweets about like what what are we going 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:58.240 to have to do to Like I can't watch Kellen 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:00.720 coaching the Dolphins next year. I just can't do it. 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:03.440 What are we gonna do? Jerry do something, Jerry, Jerry Jerry, 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:07.000 And now he's like public enemy number one. And I'm 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:11.000 not like he deserves criticism, like the offense lost its mojo, 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:14.720 but I still think it's funny how quickly things flipped 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:18.280 for him. I'm glad you said that, though, because because 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:20.560 I think there's fans that are still so pissed about 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:24.560 this loss that you know, Jerry's calling this a huge 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:27.120 victory getting Dan Quinn, and I think he's absolutely right 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:29.840 because of what Dan. I think Dan contributed to, not 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:32.560 just the defense, but I think he helped change culture 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:36.480 around here too, just with his presence. But it doesn't 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:38.840 change the fact that they didn't do what they needed 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:41.760 to do or wanted to do, and there are still 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:44.920 problems that have to be fixed going forward, and the 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:47.160 offense is one of them. I mean, the offense is 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:52.720 It's such a hard position to evaluate because number one, 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:55.280 the stats, all those things, the rankings, but like the 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:58.160 eye tests shows they weren't the same group down the stretch, 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:01.120 especially against the better defenses that they faced, and that's 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:03.360 something they've got to fix. Yeah, without a doubt. I mean, 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:08.080 you know, anyway you slice the numbers, he is just 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:11.240 the number one offense. And I know that in yards 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:13.480 that ranked that way. They're not ranked that way in 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:16.000 other categories. And I think, and I think really, like 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:19.359 you said, against against the better teams, a better competition, 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:21.720 they didn't do that. And my biggest issue with Kellen 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:23.840 Moore is just the slow starts. And I think that 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:27.439 does start with preparation. It starts with the coordinator for 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:30.120 whatever the reason. They seem to do a good job 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:33.240 of adjusting figuring it out later, but it's too late. 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:35.720 It's been. It was too late against Arizona. It was 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:39.480 definitely too late against San Francisco. I mean, they go now. 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.600 It wasn't too late against the Giants. Early in the 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:45.800 year Carolina, there were some games where they kind of 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:49.320 slowed had New England, they had some slow start to 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:51.520 New Orleans, and they were able to figure it out. 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:53.600 But against the better teams, you start like that, you 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:55.600 get punched in the mouth. You're pretty much in the 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:59.439 ropes and staggered. In retrospect, I think, and you can 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:01.640 go back and find the quotes about stuff like this, 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:05.000 like I think that early success and overcoming some of 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:07.520 that early adversity gave him a false sense of confidence 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:11.600 or they leaned, they leaned too much on it at 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:14.120 any respect, and that it was so frustrating, like week 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:16.720 after week it was like, we know we can do it, 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:18.720 we've done it, we'll turn it on and it's like, okay, 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:20.960 well but why just why why did you do it now? 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:23.160 Why why don't you just do it now? A great 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:25.760 example of that is the game that kind of turned 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:29.000 everything it seemed like, is the Denver game, especially offensively, 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:31.439 even though even though Denver's game plan wasn't the exact 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:35.200 copycat thing that every team tried. And then the following 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:37.440 week they put up forty three and probably that was 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:40.480 the most dominant game that they played against Atlanta, and 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:44.000 so even I know, I was like, oh blueprint, huh okay, 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:46.359 yeah no, because we've seen for half a season what 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:48.560 this offense can do, and so you weren't really worried 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:50.199 about it. They weren't really worried about it. You know. 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:52.600 It's what's funny about the Denver game is not funny, 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:57.560 But like every other loss, the Arizona, San Francisco, the 0:18:57.600 --> 0:19:03.520 Tampa Bay game, Oh Oakland Sorry Raiders, and maybe not 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:06.200 the Chiefs, but those four losses. If they Cowboys had 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:09.080 like three more minutes on the clock, they probably would 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:11.320 have won the sixty minute game. But you know, three 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:13.960 four more minutes probably win that game. You could have 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:16.600 had two more hours against Denver win in that game. 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:18.399 I mean the league. Turner is not going to keep 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:21.080 catching touchdowns, and that's one of those things like you 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:23.320 have you ever been, I know you have, like you've 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:25.639 been on the other side of a beat down and 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:29.960 you get aggravated, you start playing prevent and you're like, we, 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:32.400 like I wanted to win this game. Thirty to three, 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:35.560 thirty to sixteen does not reflect what we did. That's 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:38.160 how I feel about the Denver game. Like Dallas didn't 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:40.840 even good for malage Turner for putting those stats up, 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:43.800 but like Dallas didn't deserve to save face. Yeah in 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:45.920 the fourth quarter, you know, like that's how badly they 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:47.879 got destroyed in that game. Yeah, and kind of to 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:50.879 that point, Jerry said after the game against the forty 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:54.840 nine ers that the score wasn't necessarily reflective of the 0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:57.240 way that game went. And it was. I think it 0:19:57.280 --> 0:20:00.199 was twenty three seven at one point, and it just 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:03.520 wasn't close until the very end. And I got a 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:06.680 little frustrated. The day after we're talking about the last play, 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:09.600 and look, you know it, that is frustrating. They didn't 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:11.439 get that last heave to the end zone, but like 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:15.679 enough wasn't done early to put you in position to 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:18.200 probably win that football game. I don't I don't ever 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:20.080