WEBVTT - Ep. 279: Controlled Rot with Brad Leone 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.320 This is me eat podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:18.279 bug bitten and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:24.480 can't predict anything presented by first Light. Go farther, stay longer. 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:34.480 All right, everybody joined today? Uh, Brad leone's here. Explain 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:36.880 what's in front of you, Brad. Yeah, So I brought 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:39.040 a little blue fin tuna from back east. The buddy 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:42.120 of mine, Vinny bought. He caught it out in the canyon. 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:44.200 His name was Vinny. His name is Vinny. Yeah, Vinny 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:46.280 de Letta, a good guy, good fishing buddy of mine, 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:49.080 buddy of mine, and I just really dialed in on 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:51.320 the on salt water and I told him I was 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:53.360 coming out here, and uh, you know, he has a 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:55.200 little walking and stuff that he had one of these 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:57.240 blue thin hanging in there, smaller one, you know, like 0:00:57.240 --> 0:00:59.640 seventy pounds or something, but at times that's the most 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:02.080 expense of fish in the world. Oh yeah, yeah. So 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:04.200 he they also catch some pretty big ones, you know, 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:07.600 some some giant ones pounders that uh you know, going 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:10.200 He's got a commercial license and they'll head out. I'm 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:12.479 pretty sure they just go to Japan, don't they go? 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:15.080 Like you can catch a blue fen. You don't really 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:17.440 know when you catch it if you got gold or not. 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:20.160 Oh and they take a little don't they take like 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:23.000 a little core sample? Yeah, yeah, out of the fish. 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:24.920 We've seen it on the on the show, right was 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:28.480 and then wicked Wicked wicked tuna. Right. They bring it 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:30.400 to the dock and they have it's almost like, yeah, 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:32.720 it's almost like what you'd see like like an old 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:35.560 Italian guy like taking a core of parmesan cheese with 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:39.120 like just like this little cylinder hollowed. I'm sure it 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:41.679 has a name. It's probably from the cheese world. But 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:44.039 they would go in there and they would take a 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:47.280 core sample like you would have of the earth, uh, 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:49.640 and see the quality of the meat, the marbleization of 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:52.680 the fat, and and then they declare like this fish 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:56.200 is worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. I think it's 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:57.960 just by pounds. So it's like either it's like this 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:01.200 is a ten dollar or fifth sixteen dollar fish or 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:03.600 whatever per pound. And you know, and is that good 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:05.440 stuff laid out in front of your don't you know? Yeah? 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:07.360 I mean I'm not I'm not Mr Blue Thin, but 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:10.720 it's certainly good eating fish. Um. You know it was 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:13.320 just caught a few days ago, and I froze it 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:16.680 to bring it out here slab to good old loin there. 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:18.120 I wish we could have brought the belly, but old 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:24.240 Viny wasn't. It wasn't feeling. That is a tight ask. Yeah, 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:26.160 I don't want to say no. No, Ivinny's a gem. 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:27.799 He was a tight ass. He wouldn't have given you anything. 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:30.560 It's very true. Would you just real quick ranking like 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:32.960 scale one to ten amongst your other good friends? Like 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:35.400 where is he lying? Yeah? No, ivinn he's up there, man. 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:37.119 Then he don't want to put a number to it though. 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:40.639 It's a dangerous game, you know, and the world of friend. 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:43.079 I haven't known him long enough to give him a ten, 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:46.880 but he's he's cat eight, Cat nine. Uh. Well, we're 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:49.200 gonna get into ranking because that's why Chester sitting here 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:51.520 right now, because it's just some brutal ranking chesters doom 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:54.680 while we were fishing, which I thought was like very untoward. 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:57.600 It was a little harsh. One has ever said that 0:02:57.639 --> 0:03:03.520 word on this show? Untoward? Might using it right? Yeah, nope, don't, don't. 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:06.799 Don't have the slightest just what it means. But it 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:10.280 felt untoward when I struggle for a word to describe. 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:12.359 But while we got you, Brad, then we'll introduce some 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:16.120 other folks. Um talk about what like who you are? Yeah, 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:19.160 so names Bradley One grew up in northern New Jersey 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:22.000 and I got a YouTube show with uh with Bone 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:24.720 Appetite Magazine, a publication out of New York where we 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:27.080 do it. It's the show is called It's Alive. And 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:29.320 I started off doing a lot of fermentation and in 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:32.280 kitchen projects and then really, you know, like for me, 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:36.040 I never really liked that that's the It's Alive that. Yeah, yeah, 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:38.520 exactly started with with the buff Bill probably knew about 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:40.680 that long time ago. He probably caught that long film 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:42.720 gets it and uh, you know it started with like 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:45.360 you know, the the gut health and microbiology and just 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:49.000 old world applications of food. You know, it's like pre refrigeration, 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:51.760 you know, pre f d A and all the the 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:54.880 bs they bring to the table. You know, just you're 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:57.680 just gonna come and trash a whole. I'm done with 0:03:57.720 --> 0:03:59.480 the FDA. They can come at me. I don't care. 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:01.400 And you and I get it. I get it. It's 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:05.080 a blanket. I've always felt and maybe this is that's fine, 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:08.600 bring it and I probably shoot better and and you know, 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:11.560 and like I'm maybe it's the narcissism in me, but 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:14.440 like I've never felt like this is horrible. I was 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:18.720 like I fell under the umbrella of branklet blanketed regulation, 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:21.640 you know, like, oh, no turning on red at this 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:24.080 top side. Well, that's just kind of for everybody else, 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:26.120 Like like, you know, I'm squared away. I know how 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:29.080 to do this, and I kind of feel that way 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:32.640 with food, you know, those regulation like those regulations are 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:35.480 they're probably smart and for the general population, I'm sure 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:37.640 it is with good intention. You know, we don't want 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:40.800 to but at the same time, I disagree with a 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:42.840 lot of it. You know, It's just it's kind of um, 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:46.160 it's just that blanketed security of just like oh, you 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:49.560 gotta put your whatever in the fridge as soon as 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:51.720 you pick it from and it's just really they've been 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:54.880 doing this for thousands, hundreds of thousands of years, you know, 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:58.240 and the idea of getting back to you know, the fermentation, 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:01.919 the idea of controlled as a food and as really 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:04.280 like the base of oo mommy, and how like our 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:07.000 bodies are just kind of designed to like we I 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:09.279 feel like we need them. You need like our bodies 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:11.680 need that. Our gut by omen are like more than 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:15.919 we really kind of modern society, especially in America, allow it. 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:18.400 You know, like everything is so like buy it now, 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:20.800 by it super fresh, keep it in the fridge. You know, 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:23.039 if they got it gets a little mold, it's gonna 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:25.400 kill you and your whole family. And it's just not 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:27.359 really the case for them. I mean, not to be 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:30.080 a little real real food health things. You know, like 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:32.800 there's major you know, food born illnesses are a very 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:35.360 serious thing, and not to underplay that, but just like 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:38.320 things like raw fish or or salted meat. You know, 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:40.240 there's a couple of guidelines that if you stay within. 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:42.880 It seems like people have been getting away with it 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:47.440 for a long time. You know, what's your professional food background, 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:49.280 Like you've done like commercial work and all that commercial 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:52.000 kitchen stuff. Yeah. So, I mean the way it all 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:54.720 started was I just really liked eating, you know, and 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:56.880 like my mom and my dad, they were both good cooks. 0:05:56.960 --> 0:06:00.080 Never really had good ingredients other than what we what 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:03.000 um I mean, other than what we grew Speaking of eating, 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:04.839 I want you to act like you're eating that mic 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:10.400 just right in it usually get loud. It's disgusting and 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:13.400 uh yeah. So like other than what my parents would grow, 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:16.560 we always have like a nice garden, good tomatoes, like zucchini's, 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:19.120 like so many zucchini's. We had to like a fond 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:21.400 memory growing up is like my dad would walk around 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:25.320 to the neighborhood back when community mattered, you know, and 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:27.480 and just give away all of our like bumper crop. 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:29.120 You know, if we just had like a you know, 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:32.320 a radio flyer full of zucchini and egg plant, you know, 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:34.560 like come on, Brad, We're going up to Donna and 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:36.560 Mike's and you know the mug nos and we're just 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:38.919 gonna start giving away with the produce. And so like 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:42.159 we cooked at that and then my dad he's he's 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:44.640 just great man. He got me into like hunting and 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:47.239 fishing and being in New Jersey. It's not something people 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:50.200 really think of, you know, like, oh, you're from New Jersey. 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:52.640 It's one of the lowest participation states, is it really? 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:56.119 I mean, California, New Jersey are sub It's probably gotten 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:59.719 more dear than most states, you know, like it's a problem. Yeah, 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:01.720 because actually and like just growing up and they all 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:03.760 complain about the damn dear. Oh yeah, man, and they 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:07.120 always complaining both the turkeys just living in people sure 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:09.880 fire away to get rid of turkeys. What's that you'd 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:12.000 go hunting for him? Yeah, well they're tricky little dino. 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:15.080 But then people downtown or like in these suburban areas, 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:17.080 they're like they live in fear of the turkeys. Yeah, 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:19.920 oh yeah, get in my car because the turkey was gobbling. 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:22.360 People get freaked out from nature, you know, and U 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:24.240 and there's a lot of them New Jersey like there is. 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:25.880 There's a lot of deer, a lot of turkeys. Where 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:28.240 I grew up in northern New Jersey, ton of black bears. 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:30.520 And you know the answer your question back on the car, 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:32.560 How did I get into a dog on New Jersey? No? 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.840 Oh no, man, A lot of coyotes. There's there's big 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:38.880 cats there too. You know, the state doesn't really recognize it, 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:43.800 but oh they're there. And Tebou mountain lions. Mountain lions. Okay, 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:45.640 well I'm gonna leave that one hanging. Yeah, we can 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:48.360 come back to that. But yeah, so you know, growing 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:51.040 up in New Jersey, I was luckily my dad, you know, 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:53.240 he's like the most New Jersey guy. Like we would 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:56.000 go gigging for frogs and go, you know, catch snapping 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:58.200 turtles and make soup. And then it got me and 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:00.720 he didn't. He didn't really like freshwater fishing too much. 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:03.200 He didn't really care for like the small lines and 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:06.680 and like tiny tiny tiny knots and ship It wasn't 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:09.760 the small fish that turned them off. Yeah, he ain't 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:11.680 eating nothing out of the lake. Everything tastes like mud. 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:13.960 Kind of deal, you know, except oh if Yeah, I mean, 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:16.640 if you were have ocean in front of you and 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:19.240 fresh water behind you, I would have a pretty difficult time. 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:21.800 But you know what I mean, You're from Michigan, right, 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:25.120 you get there's something peaceful about the It's great. I 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:28.200 love what I'm saying. In that environment where you have that, 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:32.240 right and then fresh it would just I would probably 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:34.640 be more ocean focused for sure. And that was my dad. 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:37.079 I mean, you know, he was a meat I want 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:38.520 to catch it I can eat, you know, and like 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:40.200 that was his thing. I'm gonna spend a hundred dollars. 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:42.559 I want to come home with worth of fish, you know. 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:44.599 Otherwise you know, he saved up. You know, he was 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:46.480 a mailman. He would save up to go fishing. You know, 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:47.920 I didn't have a boat. We'd go out on party 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:50.040 boats or or a friends boat you know that he 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:53.400 had or something. Um, but being you know, being exposed 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:55.840 to that world and saltwater, just being so much more 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:59.000 aggressive and fast. You know, it's just a different, different beast. 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:01.920 Um certainly wasn't getting me into fly fish, and I 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:03.839 picked that up in the past two to three years. 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:06.840 Just kind of self taught with some buddies. Um, but 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:09.800 keep being being exposed to hunting, fishing, going out and 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:13.080 catching you know, blue fish and sea robbins and striped 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:15.320 bass and you know, mostly just kind of insure stuff 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:17.880 blue claw crabs. I mean, you cook those sea robbins up. 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:20.720 It's one of my favorites. Such an underrated man. They 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:24.880 are a blind fish dinosaur, right, looks like it belongs 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:27.080 like somewhere down in the coral reef or something. Yeah, 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:29.800 he's got I don't know, man, like a twelve inch fish. 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:32.520 He's got pectoral fins look like dinner plates. Yeah, and 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:34.920 they're beautiful right then. I mean things like a piece 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:36.800 of art like the wings. What do you do with those? 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:38.559 But what do you do with them. How do you 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:41.240 prepare them? Oh, they're great. So it's kind of just like, man, 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:43.760 people hate those fish. People hate them, and they're ugly, 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:45.880 and they got these heads on them like a diet 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:48.360 like grunt that young ship. And they got these big 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:52.640 old wings for pectoral fins. But the tail you know, 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:54.760 we were talking about this yesterday, Callahan, I think it 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:56.760 was with you. I was like, got some of these fish. 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:58.680 You gotta you gotta cut the tail off. You gotta 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:01.319 soak it in milk for two days otherwise it's like inedible, 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:03.400 and it's just not it's just not the case. You know, 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:05.400 Like the same thing with any fish. As soon as 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:06.720 I can, as soon as I catch it, if I 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:09.880 plan to, you know, consume it or kill it, I 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:12.040 kill it instantly, bleed it out, the same way I 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:14.840 would with your trophy fish. You know. Like I'm just 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:17.320 completely over the whole junk fish thing. It's only junk 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:18.960 if you treat it like junk, you know what I mean, 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:21.520 the robbins or the sea robbins, and you cut the 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:25.160 tail off, and uh from there, it's just like you 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:27.120 do or don't cut the tail off. You do, So 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:29.600 that's okay. Sorry, so, like like any fish, as soon 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:31.400 as you kill it, bleed it out, get it on ice. 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:33.200 But why are you getting rid of his tail? That's 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:35.760 the part you eat, so you cut it off to 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:38.720 eat it? Prepare the ta ditched the head? You don't 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:42.600 mean it's tail, Yeah, like it's body, not like it's 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:46.320 little like you know, not the little yeah, not the fin, 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:49.320 but like the it's body. It's all because Yeah. To 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:51.760 understand why he's saying tail, you don't have to wander 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:53.160 over to your computer and look up what the hell? 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:58.200 And they're amazing. I like what you're saying. Oh at 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:00.480 the tail, you gotta come out and okay with us? 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:03.199 No, no no, listen, I'm all for eating him, just saying 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:05.920 if you said, cut its tail off, because here's here's 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:09.960 here's where my head's going. My kind of like halibit, 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:14.720 shrimp and crab mentor. He was a commercial halibut fisherman 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:17.880 and he would bleed his halibit and somehow he thought 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:21.120 that they had like a pressure lock, you know, valve, 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:25.120 So he would cut the gill and then he would 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:29.360 go and cut the tail. Oh, like open the circuit. 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:31.120 What's that called on a fish? The pet? Is it 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:34.720 the pedicle. The pedicle like the base, the thin part 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:38.600 the base of the tail. He cut there as though 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:41.679 he had to do like a pressure release thing instead 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:44.240 of like a full loop. He would open the circuit. Yeah, 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:47.000 so that the blood like somehow there's like a vacuum 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:51.040 sort of quality in the fish, and you'd cut its gill, 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:53.760 but then to allow the blood to like come out, 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:57.640 you had to like release the vacuum by cutting it 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:00.640 back by its tail. We had a lot laugh about. 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:02.600 But when you come out cutting the tail, A thought, 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:04.200 I thought you're tom about. I thought you'd been hanging 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:07.720 out with him. No, it sounds like I should. But yeah, 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:09.440 for I mean, it's kind of like what would you 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:11.679 call a monkfish, Like the part that you eat of 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:16.439 a monkfish, the monkfish tail, right, I think. So it's 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:21.640 basically just like a lot of you would eat. They 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:24.000 don't have to call that the tail. Snake don't have parts. 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:27.280 Snakes are just snakes. No, But like, yeah, so this 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:30.480 fish is just like a lot of head fins, looking 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:32.600 at a lot of head fins, and then it's just 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:36.120 like a big meaty tail and the tail, sure, the 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:38.160 body we can call it. So you got it, cut 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:40.040 the head off, and then it's just like a big 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:42.640 you know, it's got the big got a spine going, 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:45.360 spine bone going through it, and then it's just got 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:48.760 a nice white, fleshed, kind of firm, meaty body tail 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:51.040 kind of like a blowfish. Ever have like a you 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:53.199 know the blowfish where it's just like the bone through 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:56.240 the middle and just like amazing meat around it. Yeah, 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:59.040 I'm ready to move on, but I'm just saying I 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:01.520 would say this next time you're on a podcast. Yeah, 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:03.679 it's almost Robbins. I'd be like, then you cut the 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:06.120 body off. We cut the body off, and you eat them. 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:09.200 They're great. They're great in stews or suit just ping. 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:10.960 Is it good? It is good? Just to fry it. 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:14.840 Oh yeah, it's sweet as candy. Why is it um? 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:17.640 Why does it have a bad reputation? I kind of 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:20.480 like bluegills or or whitefish that we were fishing for 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:23.840 yoush Yeah, mountain whitefish. You know, there's just an abundance 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:26.760 of them, and they're usually you know, you're it's when 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:29.360 you're going for black sea bass, are you're going for flounder. 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:31.840 It's not what people are targeting. So it's more like 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:34.880 the it's like, oh, oh, I gotta yeah, I got 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:36.800 a poke and it comes up, you're like, god, son 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:40.079 of a bitch, it's another sea robin. A peduncle, but dunkle, 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:45.760 not pedicle duncle. The definition is erally similar um the 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:50.960 caudal peduncle that sounds right, which is basically fish handle, 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:53.920 is the narrow region of a fish's body anterior to 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:57.040 the caudal finn. You know what, Yeah, I think they're 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:59.320 illegal now, but maybe once upon a time they weren't. 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:04.319 You see those tail zippers for land and fish tail zippers. 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:06.000 My old man had one and it would make their 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:11.280 own like it was a rod with a cable snare 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:14.000 on the end of it, a little slip cable dude, 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:16.240 and you went instead of like landing net and the 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:20.720 fish put that pullet tight. But here's the thing. If 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:22.920 you saw a salmon like in a river, hiding under 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:26.160 a log whatever, and you see his tail sticking out, 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:28.520 you can just put that thing down in there and 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:31.000 jack him right up on the bank and get It's 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:32.600 kind of like I think that they became a you 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:35.800 know what, Chester is nodding knowingly. Yeah, I've seen them. 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:40.600 I haven't used them. But deadly apparatus. Yea still common 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:44.000 for patalfish anglers use him. I don't know that it's legal, 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:46.320 but I still see him use him a lot. I 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:48.840 saw I saw people jack a lot of fish up 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:51.000 out of a river that weren't nothing to do with 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:54.160 the hook, right, because you could come in behind it 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:57.640 when he's holding the current and just one fluid motion 0:14:57.640 --> 0:14:59.880 that fishes up on the bank. Who I'd beaus a 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.160 rise of it is illegal. It doesn't seem like it's 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:04.720 there was. I think that there was, it was or became, 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:08.520 or it should be. I don't want to just come 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:10.360 in and say it should be. I don't think you 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:14.920 should be going but your spearfish. Listen When I say that, 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:19.720 I mean this based on traditional use practices and things, 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:23.520 I could see where an agency, a state agency, based 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:27.200 on their management objectives, would say that this is a 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:31.280 piece of equipment that is just too likely to be misused, 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:34.680 and our particular thing, in our particular situation is too 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:38.160 likely to be misused. Meaning let's say you're walking down 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:41.640 the creek with a pitchfork, okay in Michigan, and here 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:43.760 comes the game, and here comes the game warden, and 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:45.880 he's like, what's up with the pitchford And you're like, oh, 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:49.080 I'm thinking think about making a garden out here in 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:51.880 the national forest. Um. He's probably be like, I think 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:54.160 you're thinking about pitchfork and some fish out of the river. 0:15:55.480 --> 0:16:00.280 Oh yeah, okay, yeah, I've never known. You can't. Yeah, 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:03.640 but you could can't pitch fork salmon out of the river. 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:06.200 But could you dive with your you know? What's that 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:11.520 like the Hawaiian sing no hard, no, hard no depends 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:13.920 not not on a game fish, not on a sport fish, 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:17.080 sport fish. All right, fair enough? Joined also buy Spencer, 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:20.680 new hearth Spencer. We're gonna talk about something that has 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:24.720 deep relevance to you as a rock picker. We're gonna 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:32.080 talk about um or rockside rockhound. That's better. Oh well, 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:37.120 a rock picker getting ready to live. A rock picker, 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:39.400 if you ask dug during, a rock picker is a 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:41.440 guy that you a kid, that you send out into 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:44.520 the field, an agricultural field, to gather up all the 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:47.040 rocks and throw them out of the field. All right, 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:49.600 so you don't bust your hay teeth on him because 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:51.680 you don't want to. It's a the rock ain't growing anything, 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:54.160 and then it's it's in the way of it's in 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:57.760 the agriculture. Yeah. And so picking rocks is like what 0:16:57.800 --> 0:16:59.800 you're doing, you're get in trouble. Yeah, and you can 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:01.920 make They're like you're gonna rocks and you make a 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:05.320 stone wall. Right now. If you asked our beloved Tracy 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:08.280 Crane what rock picking meant, she would think it meant 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:10.320 walking around out in the field picking rocks. So then 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:12.320 you can make a chimney out of it. Oh, that's fun, 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:16.800 which she did, beautiful. Different types of rock pickers. She overpicked, 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:20.640 she overharvested. That's okay, on pallets full of damn rocks. 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:24.400 Good money in that, uh. Or you could be a rockhound. 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:27.720 I'm a rockhound, which is when you walk around trying 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:31.440 to pick up semi precious gemstones. Yeah, I see, mine 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:33.960 aren't even valuable. I just find like everywhere I go. 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:35.800 I already you know, I've been here for three days. 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:38.040 I got two rocks, aready? Really? Yeah, everywhere I go 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:40.000 I bring home a rock. I bring them on with 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:42.080 my kids. I don't know what they are, just find 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:44.920 ones that like unique characterists, pretty something that kind of 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:46.920 like captures time, you know, like I love a rock 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:48.960 that has like a really weird. Say you find like 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:51.360 an orange or red rock or something and it has 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:53.680 like a really weird or just a very like a 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:57.080 one white like sediment line like something happened a million, 0:17:57.119 --> 0:17:59.640 like some ship went down and this this is capturing 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:02.600 it that getting to my kids. Would it mean less 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:04.040 to you if I gave you a rock or do 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:06.399 you need to find it yourself? I would take a 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:09.560 rock gift. Yeah, yeah, I'll set you up, all right, 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:13.400 thanks man Um. The reason what we're gonna talk about 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:16.639 has relevance dispenser is he as a rock hound. The 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:21.280 rock he likes to target is a rock that's associated 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:26.800 with riparian areas, excuse me, rivers, the edges of rivers, 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:30.200 the edges of rivers and streams. And so he's walking 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:35.719 along and takes advantage of stream access law which allows 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:40.200 a person to go down a river corridor, um and 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:43.600 maybe not even be in the water, but be in 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:48.879 below the average high water mark and it allows you 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:50.680 to It's what allows you to take your canoe down 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:53.200 the river, walk down the river, and he takes advantage 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:55.920 of that to go rockhunting. I was just explaining to 0:18:55.960 --> 0:18:58.400 somebody last week that we are currently in the rock 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:02.520 hunting pre rut or the Yellowstone because because the water 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:04.239 is coming down the river peaked and it's coming down, 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:06.240 but it's not all the way down. So there's some 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:08.320 like good rocks to be found, some good areas that 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:11.520 that have fresh rocks, but we're in the pre rod stage. 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:13.760 Will probably be a week or two from now. This 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:19.600 is fascinating, by the way. My question for this, well, 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:25.240 well the one that's still out there thinking Tracy Crane 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:27.600 move where oh you make a whole chimney out of 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:30.680 those rocks. That's um chimney. Yeah, I don't have any 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:35.520 real plans, but sure, you know my grandma her house 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:40.159 and outside of Lockwood, Montana, on Old Hardened Road. The 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:45.320 chimney is constructed with three chunks of a petrified tree 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:51.720 that are you know as as they're thirty inches across 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:55.639 and three ft long each sec. That's pretty cool, just 0:19:55.720 --> 0:20:00.679 completely mineralized. Yeah, it is. It's pretty darn cool. Probably 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:03.040 not for everybody, but it's pretty pretty dark cool. I 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:05.639 wouldn't mind finding something like that. She said, Climb up 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:09.359 that chimney and you know, and it's all interior or chimney, 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:11.480 so it's all like living room three sixty around it. 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:13.959 But she used to climb up that thing and plant 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:17.800 orchids in the cracks and the rocks, and then have 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:20.320 to occasionally climb back up there and miss them down. 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:24.720 What was the name of the road she lived on? Hardened? 0:20:25.040 --> 0:20:29.919 Old hardened, not hardened like it got hard Oh, hardened 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:35.119 like the name? Yeah, like the town. Uht me if 0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:39.240 I'm wrong. Spencer the rock Spencer likes, and I've found 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:42.560 more than a few. I'll point out. I believe it 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:45.840 forms like this. I looked down on occasion. I believe 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:55.320 it forms like this. Volcano erupts, engulfs a tree, hardens 0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:59.240 around the tree, but the tree burns away, leaving a cavity. 0:21:01.480 --> 0:21:07.280 Water precipitates through that, and or no water comes through that, 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:12.119 and the particulate matter whatever in the water that is 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:17.920 left behind through this process turns into an egg You 0:21:18.040 --> 0:21:22.399 got it? Yeah, and and uh if the process like 0:21:22.480 --> 0:21:26.040 doesn't finish, you get petrified wood. And if it like completes, 0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:28.480 you get a Montana moss egget And you'll find some 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:32.080 rocks that are both. They were like caught in purgatory 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:34.879 between age and petrified wood. Those are those are some 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:38.320 specialist pieces. That's fascinating. Ice know a guy named Ray 0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:42.240 the Rockman Baker, and he had he was a professional 0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:45.639 get hunter. He had a five gallon bucket full of 0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:51.120 mammoth teeth whoa because by catch and he would pile 0:21:51.200 --> 0:21:52.840 up these aggets and then if he had a good 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:54.800 feeling about one, and Spencer is going to get into 0:21:54.840 --> 0:21:56.840 this too, if you had a good feeling about one, 0:21:56.840 --> 0:22:00.080 he would cut it with the bands, all right, m 0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:03.200 and then he and then you'd lay like holy cow, like, 0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:05.800 here's a gem grade tell us the story, jem grade 0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:08.320 eggs that tell us the story. Don't you cut it? 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:10.560 You don't want it all cracked up? You just like 0:22:10.720 --> 0:22:15.399 exposing what might be a cooler aesthetic on the inside. 0:22:16.520 --> 0:22:18.680 Have you taken the cutting ars and half yet? Oh? Yeah, yeah, 0:22:18.680 --> 0:22:20.680 I probably caught I don't know, twenty rocks or so. 0:22:21.080 --> 0:22:23.720 Um we've made like book ends with them. Really? Yeah? 0:22:23.960 --> 0:22:25.680 What do you got a wet saw or something? Yeah, 0:22:25.800 --> 0:22:27.639 it's a tile saw. So the same thing you'd use 0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:29.680 if you were going to, like, uh, put a back 0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:33.280 splash on your your kitchen. Less productive. Do you feel 0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:35.440 like you might do you feel like you. Is it 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:37.520 kind of in your mind that you're gonna craft me 0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:40.840 up books and book ends or something? Is that not? Yes, 0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:44.159 that's like you're saying your wife, Like you're laying in 0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:45.560 bed at night. You're like, you know what I might do? 0:22:46.720 --> 0:22:49.239 That's cool. I just haven't found the right Steve Rock yet, 0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:53.040 free rock. Maybe at the time it's coming. It's coming. Man. 0:22:53.440 --> 0:22:55.720 What's nice about the Yellowstone too? Is it? It's cold 0:22:55.800 --> 0:22:59.400 water and so those rocks aren't growing a bunch of algae. 0:22:59.800 --> 0:23:02.520 That water comes down and so you get you get, 0:23:03.560 --> 0:23:06.400 you get a better look at what that rock y got. 0:23:06.440 --> 0:23:11.040 Trail cams opals rock no Chester Chester. You used a 0:23:11.080 --> 0:23:13.080 guide on the Yellastone said that every lunch break with 0:23:13.200 --> 0:23:16.360 clients they would look for rocks. Yeah, past the time 0:23:16.480 --> 0:23:18.679 and and just to get away from the folks if 0:23:18.720 --> 0:23:23.200 you didn't really cis is that what you're doing yesterday? No? 0:23:23.880 --> 0:23:28.479 We should um, but we should have won rock Hounting. 0:23:28.520 --> 0:23:30.920 I was going to say that, but yeah, if you 0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:33.119 want to find get some rocks, just talk to a 0:23:33.200 --> 0:23:36.359 few fishing guides and you'd be set for life. Just 0:23:37.200 --> 0:23:39.359 most of the time at lunch, clients are sitting there 0:23:39.400 --> 0:23:43.159 eating lunch and fishing guides off, either picking rocks or 0:23:43.440 --> 0:23:54.680 smoking something in the bushes. Both sound great smoking fish. No, uh, Chester, 0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:58.600 we found out you got a new nickname now, chest 0:23:59.080 --> 0:24:03.680 CHESTI there from from rowing that boat. What it does 0:24:03.760 --> 0:24:07.440 do a man's pectoral muscles. You were looking good, Uncle 0:24:07.520 --> 0:24:09.760 Chestie on that boat, right all. I never really thought 0:24:09.760 --> 0:24:13.359 about it. If you do that every damn day, I'm 0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:17.320 getting a little soft I imagine now that you quit. Yeah. Yeah, 0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:20.640 like if every day you said you had spend six 0:24:20.760 --> 0:24:24.240 hours on a rowing machine, six days a week, Yeah, 0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:27.600 I had you get pretty chested, pretty good triangle going, 0:24:27.760 --> 0:24:30.359 you know, from my shoulders down to the waist. And oh, 0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:33.600 because that was massage. And Chester as he rode acting 0:24:33.640 --> 0:24:35.879 like I was missogy in him, but actually I was like, 0:24:36.000 --> 0:24:40.479 holy ship, mostly little shoulders from rowing that boat all 0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:43.160 over damn place. Yeah that was nice. I appreciate it. Yeah, 0:24:43.200 --> 0:24:44.720 you thought it was massage, and I was more like 0:24:44.840 --> 0:24:49.359 probing because it just it occurred to me all of 0:24:49.400 --> 0:24:51.800 a sudden, what that would do to a fellow. Yeah, 0:24:52.160 --> 0:24:55.680 that much rowing, that's not a workplace environment. And you 0:24:55.760 --> 0:24:59.280 get just anywhere. We're on a hell of a boat, 0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:02.119 I'll tell you that it's a lot of trust. So speaking, 0:25:02.200 --> 0:25:04.359 we're talking about sea Robin speaking of trash fish. And 0:25:04.400 --> 0:25:06.240 we return to this minute after we talked about a 0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:09.159 few things. Um, we're fishing. We're out targeting mountain the 0:25:09.200 --> 0:25:13.119 mountain whitefish. And Chester Uh was taking us down a 0:25:13.119 --> 0:25:15.080 stretch of river. He knows real well because he guided 0:25:15.119 --> 0:25:19.120 it professionally for years and has floated it enough times 0:25:19.160 --> 0:25:22.879 where he's like, up ahead, you'll notice a rock, you know, Um, 0:25:24.960 --> 0:25:29.240 and Uh gave us a rating. Oh, but I wanted 0:25:29.320 --> 0:25:31.960 can you explain your old nickname? How you became to 0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:38.520 be not Chester the investor, but Chester the tester. Sure, yeah, Bratt, 0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:41.920 I have too many. I don't know, not too many 0:25:42.040 --> 0:25:43.600 nick names, but a lot of them. When I was 0:25:43.680 --> 0:25:48.000 a young kid, Um, I would sit on the table 0:25:48.640 --> 0:25:53.240 my parents kitchen and a little I'm going back here. Actually, 0:25:53.359 --> 0:25:56.159 my my dad grew mushrooms for a living in Wisconsin, 0:25:56.359 --> 0:26:03.520 white Button Chitaki, Portabella. Um, and he sold that business 0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:07.639 to his brothers and started pickling the mushrooms. And I 0:26:07.720 --> 0:26:10.680 would sit on that table. I know. That's what I 0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:13.359 want you to explain this better. He sold it, but 0:26:13.400 --> 0:26:15.840 then he sold his brother, but then became a client 0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:19.479 of his brother. Correct. Yes, they weren't business partners in pickling. 0:26:20.200 --> 0:26:23.760 We're not business partners in pickling. They did use their 0:26:23.840 --> 0:26:27.320 mushrooms for a while, but um, they stopped using them, 0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:30.000 not because of bad blood or anything, because they didn't 0:26:30.040 --> 0:26:33.760 grow rooms. They harvested them too late. You want really 0:26:33.880 --> 0:26:36.840 small white button mushrooms for when you're pickling, and he 0:26:36.960 --> 0:26:40.240 was pursuing a different just a smaller white button like 0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:45.960 that Italian marinated for a non pickling market, garragus by sports. 0:26:46.320 --> 0:26:51.040 That's the white button. And um, anyways, they would test 0:26:51.119 --> 0:26:54.639 all these recipes in the kitchen they were originally going 0:26:54.680 --> 0:26:58.480 to do like some like a jam company, and then 0:26:58.600 --> 0:27:02.119 they started pickling the mushrooms. And I would sit on 0:27:02.240 --> 0:27:04.520 that table as a little kid and pop these pickle 0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:07.840 mushrooms in my mouth and I really came. I really 0:27:07.920 --> 0:27:11.520 liked the Classic Sweet, which is one of their top sellers, 0:27:13.520 --> 0:27:18.480 so I was deemed the Chester to the tester back then. 0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:22.920 It's incredible. So yeah, but I gotta send some pickle 0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:25.520 mushrooms here. Yeah, please do it, man. I love a 0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:29.320 good pick like a marinated kind of pickled mushroom straight 0:27:29.400 --> 0:27:32.640 up there they do different ones, some classic sweet which 0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:35.280 is just you know, sugar vinegar um, and then they 0:27:35.320 --> 0:27:42.000 do some bergamo um spiced ones um. You know. Chester's 0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:47.080 family produces as well. Is you can buy cocktail sets, 0:27:48.040 --> 0:27:50.800 oh like like a little like bitters and stuff. Yeah, 0:27:50.840 --> 0:27:53.000 but it's all this like the old pickle stuff and 0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:54.760 this and that, and so you get a box like 0:27:54.840 --> 0:27:58.280 a gift box and it comes and it's like everything 0:27:58.320 --> 0:28:00.520 you need to make crazy ass cocktails for the holiday. 0:28:01.119 --> 0:28:04.000 Can't throw a plug in for him getting there. Forest 0:28:04.040 --> 0:28:08.639 floor foods, Forest Floor Foods, eating Wisconsin good name, so 0:28:08.920 --> 0:28:12.280 you could get like a like a Manhattan kid, know, 0:28:12.400 --> 0:28:15.320 an old no sorry, an old fashioned kid Wisconsin old 0:28:15.359 --> 0:28:20.240 fashion sugarcubes, pickled this, pickled that, candy this pickled that, 0:28:21.080 --> 0:28:24.640 all in the box family and entrepreneurs over there. Chester 0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:27.280 the Tester. One of the reasons you got a lot 0:28:27.280 --> 0:28:29.760 of nicknames is because a lot of ship rhymes of Chester. Yeah, 0:28:29.840 --> 0:28:33.560 that's true, definitely. And you're likable, you know, like it's 0:28:33.640 --> 0:28:35.440 like I feel like that's like a compliment. Like no 0:28:35.480 --> 0:28:37.800 one gives nicknames to people that they don't like, really, 0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:40.040 at least in person, never had a nickname. No one 0:28:40.080 --> 0:28:43.120 gives me a nickname, so that well, yeah, because like 0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:45.760 the best you do is bred the dad. Yeah, I 0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:51.200 blame my parents. My name sucks like barbarous Brad Barbe's 0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:53.800 bread the first one ever. I think I might even 0:28:54.000 --> 0:28:57.360 no good rhymes for Steve right now, you gotta make 0:28:57.360 --> 0:29:00.320 it longer. It's like Steve Arino. Yeah, you do that, 0:29:00.840 --> 0:29:04.440 but that's not fun. It was short in a Torino 0:29:04.720 --> 0:29:08.240 I invented to fight moves called the Steve Arino. I 0:29:08.280 --> 0:29:10.160 hope I never see him. No, you don't want to see. 0:29:10.920 --> 0:29:15.640 One involves your teeth. One involves your going ads. Yeah, um, 0:29:16.280 --> 0:29:19.800 I put that together. Jester. Uh, you gave us a 0:29:19.920 --> 0:29:22.719 rating on the boat. Yes, that's what I'd like to explore. 0:29:22.800 --> 0:29:24.760 That's why I've invited you here today. I don't know 0:29:24.880 --> 0:29:27.480 how we ever came to that because they don't give ratings, 0:29:27.560 --> 0:29:29.880 so maybe I wasn't very good at the ratings. But 0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:33.360 my thought process when you guys are fishing is ten 0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:36.640 is ten is as good as you can get. Like 0:29:37.160 --> 0:29:39.680 you can't get much, you can't get any better than ten? 0:29:39.840 --> 0:29:47.040 Right would you be at Oh? When he goes and 0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:49.040 I'm gonna do how he did it? He heard his 0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:56.840 feelings Chester. He goes seven, like as though, as he's 0:29:56.840 --> 0:30:00.120 gonna come in like a seven nine, right, seven in 0:30:02.440 --> 0:30:06.280 just seven. So he's like he's so he's being so precise, 0:30:06.400 --> 0:30:09.800 He's gonna like give me like a decimal, right, But 0:30:09.880 --> 0:30:12.440 they're like, thinks about it changes his mind? Was that 0:30:12.560 --> 0:30:14.320 that was a total bullshit. It ruined my whole day. 0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:19.040 I'm sorry about that seven. And he's hing all the 0:30:19.080 --> 0:30:23.160 subcategories to come to his conclusion. I feel he's actually 0:30:23.240 --> 0:30:26.520 thinking about it and rates me. You had fishing mountain 0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:29.400 whitefish at a seven, and it turns around it gives 0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:32.200 Brad like not much worse than me. I did have 0:30:32.240 --> 0:30:35.920 a lot of missed half today being tangled up. Maybe 0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:40.960 not half today, maybe alright, a couple of good primo spots, 0:30:41.000 --> 0:30:43.360 but Chester was crowding the water anyway. I'm sure there's 0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:45.480 a lot of subcategories in there, and he's doing the 0:30:45.560 --> 0:30:49.600 tallies and perhaps the bird nest like don't rank as 0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:54.600 significantly as just a good attitude. Yeah you know what. Yeah, 0:30:54.680 --> 0:30:56.440 he's like, no, it's a it's a hit, but it's 0:30:56.480 --> 0:30:58.120 not a big hit to bird nest. So what was 0:30:58.160 --> 0:31:00.600 Brad's rating like a six? Nine or something like that. 0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:02.280 It was, I think it was. It was like six five. 0:31:02.400 --> 0:31:05.640 I took it with a smile. The difference between the 0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:09.200 six five and seven it's not much big. No, it's 0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:12.440 big in my mind. It's big in your mind. It 0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:15.080 is not. But if you were to like pop into 0:31:15.120 --> 0:31:18.440 my mind, you'd probably be like, oh, yeah, I'm happy 0:31:18.520 --> 0:31:20.880 with the seven right now. Well, I did two things. 0:31:21.480 --> 0:31:25.160 At first, I retaliated, and that's the one, the rate 0:31:25.240 --> 0:31:28.120 Chester as a rower. And then I gave him super 0:31:28.200 --> 0:31:31.000 low rating as a rower, just to just to hurt 0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:35.360 his feelings. Later in the day, I turned around and 0:31:35.400 --> 0:31:38.400 thought I would demonstrate generosity and I rated him as 0:31:38.440 --> 0:31:42.440 a ten and left it at that. Which of those 0:31:42.480 --> 0:31:46.080 two approaches of mine was more effective Chester hurting you 0:31:46.520 --> 0:31:50.440 or demonstrating to you how to be generous? Um probably 0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:54.320 hurting me a little bit. Yeah, No, it actually didn't 0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:57.120 at all. I remember when you when you did the 0:31:58.040 --> 0:32:00.880 ten rating, I bumped you up to seven point to five. 0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:05.840 So what could they improve on? Yeah, I mean we 0:32:06.000 --> 0:32:10.040 all can improve on stuff, right, like, so like I 0:32:10.240 --> 0:32:14.400 go into it, but just everything right, Like, we can 0:32:14.440 --> 0:32:17.400 all get better at casting, we can all get better 0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:20.560 at reading the water. We can all get better at 0:32:21.440 --> 0:32:26.080 setting a hook. Let's get one specific thing that Brad 0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:30.680 can take home. Mm hmm. Brad's casting was pretty darn 0:32:30.800 --> 0:32:33.680 good for not doing it much. Um, just being a 0:32:33.720 --> 0:32:36.960 little more patient on the back cast, letting that rod 0:32:37.080 --> 0:32:40.880 do the work less less of you know, human force. 0:32:41.200 --> 0:32:43.960 Just that's what the fly rod is like a spring, right, 0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:46.440 So if you're patient on that cast and let that 0:32:46.600 --> 0:32:48.840 line roll out all the way behind you before you 0:32:48.920 --> 0:32:50.640 bring it forward, do you feel to give you a 0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:52.800 little tug, little tug back. So I wasn't letting it 0:32:52.920 --> 0:32:54.840 spool load up all the way. I was coming back 0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:57.200 a little premature, and I think yeah, And I think 0:32:57.280 --> 0:32:59.840 that was because, like it's exciting when you're out there, 0:32:59.880 --> 0:33:01.720 you want to get it back in the water. And 0:33:02.680 --> 0:33:06.040 maybe maybe that's not true, especially with that bank flying 0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:08.880 past you. Yeah, and we're moving him crowding the water, 0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:13.040 him crowding the primo whitefish water. No, I'm just joshing 0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:15.680 you boat. You put the boat over some whitefish holes. 0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:18.240 Here's the thing. It's like, here's Chester's problem and identified 0:33:18.280 --> 0:33:23.840 it for him. Chester has was for a long time 0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:29.080 as a trout guide, okay, and he was money focused, 0:33:30.200 --> 0:33:31.720 and he knew that if he took a client out 0:33:31.760 --> 0:33:34.200 and the client catches a big trout, Chester gets a 0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:39.280 big tip. And that worked its way deep into his psyche. Okay, 0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:42.280 so even if you say to Chester, we're fishing whitefish, 0:33:43.040 --> 0:33:49.640 something deep in his like reptilian brain want he can't 0:33:49.680 --> 0:33:53.400 help himself with position that boat for trout. I got 0:33:53.440 --> 0:33:55.480 a little you know, and and a lot of times 0:33:56.160 --> 0:33:58.760 just couldn't help himself. And you you know that that 0:33:58.840 --> 0:34:02.400 whitefish is laying like where he's gonna lay, and that's 0:34:02.480 --> 0:34:06.440 kind of like under the gunnal because he wants you 0:34:06.680 --> 0:34:09.040 upward those where he thinks those big browns are lurking. 0:34:10.120 --> 0:34:13.239 What I did there was I could tell Brad had 0:34:13.239 --> 0:34:15.759 a little itch to catch some a few trout, and 0:34:15.840 --> 0:34:19.160 I could tell Steve really just wanted to catch whitefish. 0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:21.640 So I tried to play this little happy medium game 0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:24.400 away from the bank. I think we did all right. 0:34:25.239 --> 0:34:28.960 Sometimes there's a big difference in the water between the 0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:30.680 back of the boat and the front of the boat too. 0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:34.480 You can definitely, yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, just 0:34:34.680 --> 0:34:38.759 a real quick uh after you guided fisherman for how long? 0:34:40.080 --> 0:34:44.480 Since two thousand twelve? What somewhere right around in there, 0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:48.200 what's the biggest like just in very general terms, what 0:34:48.400 --> 0:34:54.560 is the biggest uh mistake or flaw you come to 0:34:54.640 --> 0:34:56.439 see with angers? Like if you could give one piece 0:34:56.480 --> 0:34:59.360 of universal advice to fisherman, it would be what this 0:34:59.640 --> 0:35:02.239 is going to sound like, Yeah, well of course, but 0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:07.520 it's so true. It's spend your time with your bait, 0:35:07.640 --> 0:35:11.520 your flies or whatever in the water because a lot 0:35:11.600 --> 0:35:15.760 of people get out there, they're messing around with their rods, 0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:18.400 they're trying to get to the spot, and if you 0:35:18.520 --> 0:35:21.360 actually think about it, their lines were only in the 0:35:21.440 --> 0:35:24.879 water for an hour and a half out of six 0:35:25.000 --> 0:35:27.920 hour day because they spend so much time messing around. 0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:31.680 So having your stuff dialed and ready to go is 0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:35.480 key because you'll just have it in the water in 0:35:35.680 --> 0:35:39.040 front of the fish's face. Like the less false casting 0:35:39.120 --> 0:35:42.759 when you're fly fishing, the better just pick it up, 0:35:42.880 --> 0:35:44.520 get it in there, and try and keep it in 0:35:44.600 --> 0:35:47.080 there as long as you can, and it just ups 0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:50.440 your odds like you wouldn't believe. I'll tell you a 0:35:50.480 --> 0:35:53.799 story about that. But lines in the water is when 0:35:54.040 --> 0:35:56.040 Cal and I were fishing in Hawaii this year, we 0:35:56.160 --> 0:36:00.600 were doing something pretty close to the harbor. Um it 0:36:00.719 --> 0:36:02.279 just got like the end of the day, just gonna 0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:04.960 zip into the harbor, be done for the day. Is 0:36:04.960 --> 0:36:08.320 that that lineback? Didn't you wa who on the way in? 0:36:08.600 --> 0:36:10.120 Like just not like you know what I mean, just 0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:13.279 like an afterthought almost the line ain't gonna catch anything 0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:16.719 in the boat. Yeah, that was you said, Hawaii. That 0:36:16.840 --> 0:36:20.920 was That was great. It happened so fast that the 0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:24.560 first was like I screwed up the reel, Like how 0:36:24.600 --> 0:36:27.480 did I do that? That's amazing? That's great, man, that's 0:36:27.520 --> 0:36:30.719 like a significant like click reels Like, yeah, the first 0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:32.759 thing I thought, I thought, he's something up, broke something right, 0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:34.759 because like there's no other way to explain why that 0:36:34.800 --> 0:36:38.120 reels going, you know. And you guys landed that fish 0:36:40.040 --> 0:36:41.800 right out in front of the Marena. You had some 0:36:41.880 --> 0:36:44.640 of that fish last night. It was delicious. Yea and 0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:46.680 Chester in your defense, but you you got us on 0:36:46.760 --> 0:36:48.200 the fish man. We went out there to catch a 0:36:48.239 --> 0:36:50.279 lot of white fish, and we did. At some point 0:36:50.320 --> 0:36:52.120 we even said, hey, listen, we don't need to catch anymore. 0:36:52.320 --> 0:36:54.160 Let's try We switched over and tried to catch a 0:36:54.200 --> 0:36:56.480 couple a couple of trout, which we did so if 0:36:56.520 --> 0:36:57.880 I had to rate you, because I don't think I 0:36:57.960 --> 0:36:59.840 did yesterday and I don't have a lot of experience. 0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:03.600 Was my first river fly fishing, uh drift but tend 0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:05.719 being this like thing that you know, this unicorn that 0:37:05.760 --> 0:37:08.440 maybe doesn't exist. I had three in there. You know, 0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:12.640 I'd give you a good eight to in general angling, 0:37:13.680 --> 0:37:17.600 I fished a lot of like a lot of circumstances. 0:37:18.400 --> 0:37:22.440 I would put Chester higher. Yeah, just general cat nine angling, 0:37:23.560 --> 0:37:29.840 very high. Put a number to it. It was. It 0:37:30.000 --> 0:37:34.080 was a blast, though, I mean having having Bobbers go 0:37:34.200 --> 0:37:37.120 down and catch him whitefish, Like a lot of people 0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:41.200 do not like that for some odd reason. They don't 0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:44.920 like catching whitefish. But man, it's fun, just cattish. And 0:37:44.960 --> 0:37:46.640 I'm glad you brought that up, Chester because it kind 0:37:46.640 --> 0:37:49.160 of reminded me of something a friend of mine told me. 0:37:49.760 --> 0:37:51.719 And it just really it resonates. You know. It's like 0:37:52.680 --> 0:37:55.560 that first fish that Bobber goes down and before the 0:37:55.640 --> 0:37:58.000 client or the person fishing, you know, knows, they still 0:37:58.160 --> 0:38:01.120 hoping it's this big brown trouter abo and then when 0:38:01.120 --> 0:38:03.239 this white fish comes up, how many times you hear like, 0:38:03.600 --> 0:38:05.719 you know, like a little disappointment, But as you were 0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:07.839 fighting it, you feel you had this grin on ear 0:38:07.920 --> 0:38:09.479 to ear like you were a kid, you know, catching 0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:11.719 your first fish. And I just hate that when it's 0:38:11.760 --> 0:38:14.640 like you get disappointed when it's not like the the 0:38:14.760 --> 0:38:17.880 Instagram picture fish that you wanted, you know, and and 0:38:17.960 --> 0:38:19.480 the white fish, I mean that was just that they 0:38:19.520 --> 0:38:21.480 don't come. They weren't jumping out of the water doing 0:38:21.520 --> 0:38:23.879 these crazy areals. But there were a ton of fun 0:38:23.960 --> 0:38:25.919 to catch, and then we end up cooking a bunch 0:38:25.960 --> 0:38:28.239 of them and they were just phenomenal. I just give 0:38:28.280 --> 0:38:30.440 me whitefish any day. It was so much better than 0:38:30.440 --> 0:38:32.279 I thought they were gonna be. My favorite thing about 0:38:32.320 --> 0:38:34.719 that kind of fishing is um and we're like we're 0:38:34.920 --> 0:38:37.400 drifted down a river in a drift boat fishing nymphs 0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:41.440 under the water with a float bobber, and you know, 0:38:41.480 --> 0:38:43.880 inevitably you hook some bottom, you hook logs, you heard 0:38:43.960 --> 0:38:46.840 some rocks. But it's like when you tighten up on 0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:51.040 a hip and you feel the resistance, but you also 0:38:51.120 --> 0:38:55.480 realize that it moved in a familiar way. That's that 0:38:55.680 --> 0:38:59.520 Like that moment is what I like. It's there, but 0:38:59.680 --> 0:39:04.160 then like it does something, yeah there, Like it doesn't 0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:08.480 get old. Another another former fishing guide that we work with, 0:39:08.840 --> 0:39:10.600 was saying that this is a dang good year to 0:39:10.719 --> 0:39:14.120 not be guiding on the yellow Stille because of the 0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:16.680 hood owl instriction restrictions that are sure to come and 0:39:16.920 --> 0:39:19.279 uh like the heat wave we have coming up. Do 0:39:19.320 --> 0:39:23.920 you share that sentence? Yeah, I mean for people that 0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:27.680 don't know these rivers out here, once they hit I 0:39:27.760 --> 0:39:32.239 think it's around seventy degree water temps um, you want 0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:35.160 to shut the rivers down because with all this pressure, 0:39:35.360 --> 0:39:38.160 shut the rivers down to fishing at a certain time. 0:39:38.360 --> 0:39:40.600 They call it a hood owl. So at two o'clock 0:39:41.040 --> 0:39:43.719 a hood owl, a hoot owl. Yeah, yeah, they need 0:39:43.760 --> 0:39:46.920 to rebrand it. Yeah, so you just can you can 0:39:47.000 --> 0:39:49.680 fish in the mornings. Um, but they don't want you 0:39:49.840 --> 0:39:53.520 fishing when that water gets above that certain temperature just 0:39:53.680 --> 0:39:56.120 because it's really hard on the fishing and can kill them. 0:39:56.440 --> 0:39:59.759 And it's a really low water year. So I mean 0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:02.800 usually the Yellowstone is the last river out here to 0:40:02.960 --> 0:40:07.000 kind of be put in a hoodo. But um, the 0:40:07.080 --> 0:40:10.120 way things are going, it's probably gonna be a pretty 0:40:10.800 --> 0:40:12.879 warm year for these fish. And and I would say, 0:40:13.000 --> 0:40:16.960 if if you fancy yourself angler and you want to 0:40:17.080 --> 0:40:21.120 keep fishing during those times, you should really switch over 0:40:21.280 --> 0:40:25.800 from catching release to catch and keep like alm instead 0:40:25.840 --> 0:40:28.120 of going letting thirty of them go. Yeah, you're gonna 0:40:28.120 --> 0:40:30.759 be killing a high percentage of fish. I mean, even 0:40:30.800 --> 0:40:33.000 when those tamps are in the sixties. Yeah, And I 0:40:33.080 --> 0:40:35.520 think if you are fishing, then it's like if you're 0:40:35.560 --> 0:40:38.800 gonna release, fight them fast, like a lot of people 0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:40.920 like to keep him on and it's just like get 0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:43.359 him in the boat and in the mornings when it's 0:40:43.400 --> 0:40:46.520 still cool, you can release him. If you're fighting them fast, 0:40:46.840 --> 0:40:49.120 fight him fast, unhook him, get him back. You're still 0:40:49.200 --> 0:40:52.200 killing fish. If you go and you're feeling all good 0:40:52.200 --> 0:40:54.200 about yourself, you let it's it's warm out and you 0:40:54.280 --> 0:40:56.279 let twenty trout go. That day you killed a bunch 0:40:56.320 --> 0:40:59.160 of trout. You just did so what They just can't 0:40:59.200 --> 0:41:03.200 recover the stress of the of the catch exactly. It's 0:41:03.520 --> 0:41:06.840 it's worse. And trout are sensitive, I mean, like you 0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:08.960 know they they've done these like mortality things with large 0:41:09.000 --> 0:41:11.239 mouth bass. I mean, you still got it, you know 0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:13.279 you got you should handle them gently and all that, 0:41:13.480 --> 0:41:17.320 but um, they're not nearly as susceptible. They're not nearly 0:41:17.360 --> 0:41:20.279 as susceptible as trout to our trouar like are very 0:41:20.480 --> 0:41:25.200 fragile in hot temperatures, cold water, high oxygen or or death. Right. 0:41:25.239 --> 0:41:27.000 I mean, they don't, they don't. They don't do well. 0:41:27.080 --> 0:41:29.920 But you know, you talked to bass guys and they'll 0:41:30.480 --> 0:41:33.440 look at them afterward and it's just hard to um. 0:41:33.480 --> 0:41:34.920 I'm not trying to say you should go stick your 0:41:34.960 --> 0:41:37.400 finger over their gills and all that, but they're they're tougher. 0:41:38.120 --> 0:41:39.719 But you're glad you're out of the guiding game for 0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:44.040 this summer. Chester. Yeah, yeah, definitely. I mean it's really 0:41:44.160 --> 0:41:48.560 busy out there, and uh, I'm kinda kind of had 0:41:48.640 --> 0:41:52.239 my time. I'm happy, happy where I'm at, so but yeah, 0:41:52.320 --> 0:41:54.399 it's gonna be a rough year. I think. I feel 0:41:54.400 --> 0:41:56.279 like there is it kind of a young man's game, 0:41:56.400 --> 0:41:59.440 or young person's game for that matter. You know, I'm 0:41:59.480 --> 0:42:01.480 sure there's so some older folks that just you know, 0:42:01.719 --> 0:42:04.080 go for you know, forty fifty years or something, but 0:42:04.440 --> 0:42:05.759 you know, just being on the boat with you for 0:42:05.840 --> 0:42:07.960 a day, doing that every day, I'm sure it's like 0:42:08.000 --> 0:42:10.600 when it's when it's go time, It's like guys are 0:42:10.600 --> 0:42:13.040 probably out there as much as possible, right, like making Hey, 0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:15.279 when it shines, I could see that, you know, being 0:42:15.400 --> 0:42:17.640 being taxing. It's not an easy job. It's fun, right, 0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:20.680 but you're working. Yeah, definitely. I mean, I do know 0:42:20.840 --> 0:42:24.239 some guys that are really old and they've done it 0:42:24.320 --> 0:42:27.239 for a long time, and I'm surprised that they keep 0:42:27.360 --> 0:42:30.040 on going. But young man's game for sure, because they 0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:33.080 get you get bitter, yeah, bitter and kind of lazy. 0:42:33.320 --> 0:42:35.360 A lot of those old guys they kind of just 0:42:35.480 --> 0:42:37.640 went through the motions after a while and they'd still 0:42:37.719 --> 0:42:43.759 catch fish. But um, definitely a young man's game. You 0:42:43.840 --> 0:42:47.320 know what Chester told me to um is that after lunchtime, 0:42:47.960 --> 0:42:51.200 people get sluggish. It starts to get warm, they eat 0:42:51.239 --> 0:42:54.759 to lunch. They always think the fishing got worse. They 0:42:54.760 --> 0:42:59.719 don't realize that they're in a their comatose such slow 0:42:59.800 --> 0:43:02.800 down own. Yeah, that's universal because they're not. They're not. 0:43:02.960 --> 0:43:05.719 They're just kind of like I think that's why it's 0:43:05.719 --> 0:43:08.520 smart to really have like kind of a light a 0:43:08.600 --> 0:43:10.880 light lunch. Right, you go bring some big like Italian 0:43:11.000 --> 0:43:13.200 sub and a bag of chips, and you know what 0:43:13.239 --> 0:43:15.239 I'm saying, Like that's gonna put you down, you know, 0:43:15.680 --> 0:43:18.680 I feel like that you need something just lean like sushi. 0:43:18.760 --> 0:43:20.160 I know it's not like the best boat thing to 0:43:20.200 --> 0:43:22.120 bring around, but I forgot about her sushi. Oh I 0:43:22.239 --> 0:43:24.719 got it, and I'm plugging it. And that, you know, 0:43:24.920 --> 0:43:26.760 something that can keep you kind of like a protein, 0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:29.640 a little carbohydrate, you know, but not like fill you up. 0:43:30.200 --> 0:43:31.920 The bread is kind of the enemy, I think when 0:43:32.040 --> 0:43:34.759 when you're fishing. Yeah, that's that's break up. Break out 0:43:34.800 --> 0:43:36.600 those open face sandwiches. You don't want to do the 0:43:37.120 --> 0:43:42.800 clothes face of lunch. That's a good fishing trip. Reduced 0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:44.840 the reduced the bread by a half. You catch a 0:43:44.880 --> 0:43:47.080 hell of a lot more fish. You catch more fish. 0:43:47.120 --> 0:43:50.720 There you go. I solved it. Uh okay, everybody, remember 0:43:50.760 --> 0:43:53.520 that what precipitated that long conversation was me pointing out 0:43:53.640 --> 0:44:00.800 about Spencer being titilated. No doubt how he will become 0:44:00.840 --> 0:44:03.759 titilated when we turned to stream access because of the 0:44:03.800 --> 0:44:06.640 implications for his rock hounding. And I have a feeling 0:44:06.640 --> 0:44:08.840 as well. Then when we're talking about low water and 0:44:09.000 --> 0:44:11.320 all the bad things about that, when it comes to 0:44:11.400 --> 0:44:15.080 agricultural irrigation that hurts that hurts fish. He's over there 0:44:15.120 --> 0:44:19.960 licking his lips thinking about all those rocks, previously unexposed 0:44:20.080 --> 0:44:23.359 rocks he's going to pick through during the global end 0:44:23.400 --> 0:44:27.359 times of low water. So another low here, here's another 0:44:27.560 --> 0:44:30.120 river access issue. A lot of people, I should say 0:44:30.120 --> 0:44:34.359 a lot handful of people wrote in about this. Years ago, 0:44:34.520 --> 0:44:37.480 I wrote a book and a big part of the 0:44:37.520 --> 0:44:42.640 book the book is called American Buffalo and it had 0:44:42.719 --> 0:44:46.000 kind of like two things that made it happen. I 0:44:46.080 --> 0:44:48.759 found a skull, So I found a buffalo skull um 0:44:50.560 --> 0:44:52.640 at a high elevation. It was like a really nice skull. 0:44:52.680 --> 0:44:55.880 And I explored this skull a lot, and I explored 0:44:55.880 --> 0:44:58.040 the history of the species and all that. But another 0:44:58.080 --> 0:44:59.760 big part of the book is I drew a permit 0:45:00.920 --> 0:45:03.879 to uh A, drew a limited draw permit to hunt 0:45:03.960 --> 0:45:08.440 for a buffalo um in the area the wrangle St. 0:45:08.480 --> 0:45:13.120 Elias and Alaska. And we've got a lot of people 0:45:13.200 --> 0:45:17.080 writing in about this because when you have this this permit, 0:45:18.600 --> 0:45:20.480 I think the permit number is called d I four 0:45:20.560 --> 0:45:22.360 or five four. If you were to be if you 0:45:22.400 --> 0:45:25.839 were to draw d I four or five four um 0:45:26.760 --> 0:45:28.400 you and you get to looking at a map, you 0:45:28.480 --> 0:45:32.320 realize there's a real problem. You have to access the 0:45:32.360 --> 0:45:35.040 hunt area along the river and and most of the 0:45:35.080 --> 0:45:37.680 things along the river is Native corporations. So in Alaska, 0:45:37.800 --> 0:45:42.400 like tribes are formed into corporations, and these corporations have shareholders, 0:45:42.440 --> 0:45:45.320 which is tribal members, and they're into all manner of businesses. 0:45:45.360 --> 0:45:50.360 They could be logging, mining, um, tourism things. You know. 0:45:50.440 --> 0:45:53.960 They have investments all over the world, uh a lot 0:45:54.000 --> 0:45:57.000 of extraction industry and other stuff. And they're managed on 0:45:57.200 --> 0:46:00.279 the lands are managed on behalf of these shareholders. At 0:46:00.280 --> 0:46:03.600 the time that I drew the permit and wrote the book, Um, 0:46:04.960 --> 0:46:06.320 there was no way you could go on ott in 0:46:06.400 --> 0:46:09.320 the land to hunt right. You had to find and 0:46:09.400 --> 0:46:11.359 if you look at a map, they owned the ott 0:46:11.360 --> 0:46:13.880 in the land. The Native corporation land is like a 0:46:14.080 --> 0:46:18.600 corridor on each bank of the river and it's and 0:46:18.719 --> 0:46:21.759 it's hard to find little avenues to get up into 0:46:21.760 --> 0:46:25.680 the wrangle Saint Elias to hunt um without trespassing on 0:46:25.760 --> 0:46:28.720 Ottna land. You kind of gotta walk up creep bottoms 0:46:28.760 --> 0:46:31.840 and stuff like that to get in there. Then for years, 0:46:33.080 --> 0:46:38.440 uh Otna started this program after I had the PERMITTA 0:46:38.520 --> 0:46:42.480 started this program where they would sell trespassing rights. They 0:46:42.520 --> 0:46:44.239 sold for a lot of money, but I think a 0:46:44.320 --> 0:46:45.719 lot of guys bought it. You could it was like 0:46:45.719 --> 0:46:47.839 a thousand bucks. So if you drew d I four 0:46:47.960 --> 0:46:49.880 five four, you could write a check to the Native 0:46:49.920 --> 0:46:52.600 Corporation for a thousand bucks and they would allow you 0:46:52.719 --> 0:46:55.080 to trespass and hunt at in the land. And it 0:46:55.160 --> 0:46:58.040 became like a lot of people's avenue to hunt. Otna 0:46:58.160 --> 0:47:03.160 just now here, here's nothing I'll point out. Um. I 0:47:03.440 --> 0:47:05.719 used to run ads and like the Anchorage Daily News, 0:47:05.800 --> 0:47:09.759 they would run ads basically saying like, hey, hunters, don't 0:47:09.760 --> 0:47:11.880 go on our land, like reminding you not to go 0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:16.279 on their land to hunt. Um. They just issued a 0:47:16.320 --> 0:47:22.360 press release staying there there, so they're not allowing access 0:47:22.400 --> 0:47:25.520 on their lands and they're not selling hunting access. And 0:47:25.560 --> 0:47:27.320 a lot of people rolled in like, oh, the world's 0:47:27.360 --> 0:47:30.560 coming to an end. Um. I think they have short 0:47:30.640 --> 0:47:37.440 memories because for super long time you couldn't either, then 0:47:37.480 --> 0:47:39.080 you could for a short period of time, and now 0:47:39.200 --> 0:47:41.680 you can't again. I don't think the world's coming to 0:47:41.760 --> 0:47:44.719 an end. I think it's kind of like it's just 0:47:45.040 --> 0:47:49.120 where it was people hunting that damn people been people 0:47:49.160 --> 0:47:52.640 been hunting that hunt successful. I mean, it's it's the 0:47:52.760 --> 0:47:54.359 success rates are very low, but a lot of people 0:47:54.360 --> 0:47:55.840 don't even show up. Like the year I had, they 0:47:55.880 --> 0:47:58.239 gave out twenty four permits and four of us got one, 0:48:00.040 --> 0:48:03.279 low success rate. I don't think it's low because of that. Now, 0:48:03.360 --> 0:48:06.080 do you think they shut it down? Because sure they had, 0:48:06.160 --> 0:48:08.640 say the twenty folks that had permission, but then some 0:48:08.760 --> 0:48:10.600 folks just saw that as like, well, the frege. You 0:48:10.600 --> 0:48:12.080 know they're doing it, so we can just kind of 0:48:12.160 --> 0:48:14.960 tail into it. And I have no idea why it 0:48:15.080 --> 0:48:19.520 might be the shareholders felt that the interruption wasn't worth 0:48:19.960 --> 0:48:22.000 the money. I don't I have no idea why it 0:48:22.000 --> 0:48:23.839 would be interesting to know. I don't know. I don't 0:48:23.880 --> 0:48:26.359 not I'm not like curious enough to really find out. 0:48:26.400 --> 0:48:28.120 I don't know that they don't have any obligation to 0:48:28.200 --> 0:48:31.319 explain why it's private land. They don't want to sell 0:48:31.360 --> 0:48:34.239 the permits anymore. But I just think that I don't 0:48:34.280 --> 0:48:37.879 think you can look at that and say that it's 0:48:37.880 --> 0:48:41.759 indicative of anything, because it's private property. It's not like 0:48:41.880 --> 0:48:44.360 a closure of because in Alaska they're also right now 0:48:44.480 --> 0:48:49.760 facing like very serious closures of federally managed public lands 0:48:50.080 --> 0:48:53.839 to hunting. That's something to get in our open arms about. 0:48:53.840 --> 0:48:55.520 But you just don't have any control of what they want. 0:48:55.560 --> 0:48:58.480 It's it's their property, it's their land. They're gonna do 0:48:58.520 --> 0:48:59.520 it or not do it. But I don't think it's 0:48:59.560 --> 0:49:02.400 emblemat of some broader thing. But it brings up this 0:49:02.440 --> 0:49:06.520 stream access stuff because you can to get through this 0:49:06.760 --> 0:49:09.080 narrow buffer, and in some places this buffer is like 0:49:09.400 --> 0:49:13.000 a couple hundred yards on either side. To get through it, 0:49:13.680 --> 0:49:16.400 you get into a stream and you put waiters on 0:49:16.760 --> 0:49:19.840 and weighed up that stream to get across the buffer, 0:49:19.960 --> 0:49:21.759 and then you can go where the hell you want. 0:49:25.239 --> 0:49:28.680 I think about that. Where's my interest meter? I'll turn it? Oh, 0:49:28.760 --> 0:49:33.080 I mean I think that is the thing with stream access, right, Like, 0:49:33.200 --> 0:49:37.399 that's why it's such an important rule to fight for. Why, 0:49:37.680 --> 0:49:39.640 in my opinion, the folks in New Mexico need to 0:49:40.080 --> 0:49:44.880 like really get after the Fishing Game Commission is those 0:49:46.120 --> 0:49:52.040 The reason that commerce stream commerce was included in the 0:49:52.160 --> 0:49:55.160 Constitution of the United States is the fact that those 0:49:55.239 --> 0:50:00.480 waterways are a vital mode of transportation and always have been, 0:50:01.040 --> 0:50:05.040 and if you're like to hunting fish, they remain vital 0:50:05.120 --> 0:50:08.040 modes of transportation. Even beyond that, if you're a savvy 0:50:08.160 --> 0:50:12.160 like bird watcher, mushroom picker or whatever. Like it is 0:50:12.480 --> 0:50:16.320 a means, it's a road, it's the highway. Yeah, exactly. 0:50:16.480 --> 0:50:18.520 If you're sitting there wondering what hells call time on 0:50:18.600 --> 0:50:21.200 New Mexico, all of a sudden, Well, because we're gonna 0:50:21.239 --> 0:50:26.239 be joined right now, real quick, and this is all 0:50:26.480 --> 0:50:29.359 this is all gonna become relevant. We're gonna be joined 0:50:29.440 --> 0:50:32.359 right now, real quick by Senator Martin Heinrich, who has 0:50:32.360 --> 0:50:35.000 been on the show before. He's a senator. He likes 0:50:35.000 --> 0:50:36.680 to hunting fish. You go into his office, you've been 0:50:36.719 --> 0:50:39.080 in his office in d C. I have, yeah, all 0:50:39.160 --> 0:50:43.600 kind of skulls and hides and stuff hanging around. Oh yeah, 0:50:43.960 --> 0:50:48.359 no doubt, no doubt. It has cost him. He's probably 0:50:48.400 --> 0:50:51.879 gained from it. It's probably cost him. Yeah, I imagine it. Uh, 0:50:52.320 --> 0:50:57.560 if you were a truly savvy politician, you would uh 0:50:58.080 --> 0:51:00.520 not lay any cards out on the table. No, you'd 0:51:00.520 --> 0:51:05.560 be like, I am a blank sheet of paper. Well, 0:51:05.600 --> 0:51:08.759 he lays him out hard. Yeah, he's got horns and 0:51:08.840 --> 0:51:12.360 antlers and it's great. Uh, we're gonna talk about a 0:51:12.719 --> 0:51:15.520 stream access issue in New Mexico right now. But um, 0:51:16.120 --> 0:51:18.680 he's gonna explain what's going on there, and then we're 0:51:18.719 --> 0:51:33.560 gonna tell you as well about why it matters to you. Okay, 0:51:33.600 --> 0:51:36.400 we're joined uh joining here right now by Senator Martin 0:51:36.480 --> 0:51:40.399 Heinrich from New Mexico. Longtime, longtime friend of the show. 0:51:40.560 --> 0:51:44.040 I've hunted with the Senator um. First off, first question. 0:51:44.080 --> 0:51:48.120 We're talking about river access, stream access rules like the Okay, 0:51:49.320 --> 0:51:51.440 picture this for a minute, just to set the stage. 0:51:51.760 --> 0:51:54.520 You the listener picture of this picture that you go 0:51:54.800 --> 0:51:58.520 down to a boat launch on a river or on 0:51:58.560 --> 0:52:01.360 a lake, let's say, and you launch your boat. So 0:52:01.480 --> 0:52:03.000 you go to the boat launch, you launch your boat, 0:52:03.920 --> 0:52:06.640 and then you float down the river, or you cruise 0:52:06.719 --> 0:52:09.360 along the shoreline, and all of a sudden, you're not 0:52:09.560 --> 0:52:12.080 out in front of the river access anymore. You're out 0:52:12.080 --> 0:52:13.960 in front of some dude's house, or you're out in 0:52:14.040 --> 0:52:16.759 front of a business, or you're floating down the river. 0:52:16.920 --> 0:52:19.319 And you're going down the river and on the right 0:52:19.400 --> 0:52:22.560 hand side is private property, it's homes. And on the 0:52:22.680 --> 0:52:26.600 left hand side, it's private property, it's homes. How is 0:52:26.680 --> 0:52:29.520 it that you're allowed to be in the river, even 0:52:29.560 --> 0:52:34.000 though one could argue that you're floating through private land. 0:52:34.320 --> 0:52:38.840 Many of us grow up live our lives doing this 0:52:39.520 --> 0:52:42.200 without ever stopping to ask the question, Hey, why is 0:52:42.320 --> 0:52:47.680 it I'm allowed to float down the river? Um? Some 0:52:47.800 --> 0:52:50.080 people know in certain states, they know that that's a 0:52:50.200 --> 0:52:52.239 hell of a lot more complicated than it is in 0:52:52.400 --> 0:52:57.040 most states. And we're gonna look at a a microcosm 0:52:57.920 --> 0:53:01.400 of some rules and potential rule all changes in New Mexico, 0:53:02.239 --> 0:53:05.080 which is remains relevant to whether you live in New 0:53:05.120 --> 0:53:08.839 Mexico or not, because we're gonna talk about Hobbl's rules 0:53:08.920 --> 0:53:12.640 exist challenges to those rules, and so it's not like 0:53:12.840 --> 0:53:15.200 so much New Mexico news. It's kind of American news. 0:53:15.280 --> 0:53:18.280 But we're looking at a case in New Mexico. But first, 0:53:18.680 --> 0:53:23.600 Senator Henri, did you draw any um sweet hunting tags 0:53:23.960 --> 0:53:27.279 for New Mexico this year? One I got I've got 0:53:27.480 --> 0:53:31.759 a bull Elk tag in Unit fifty, which is the 0:53:32.080 --> 0:53:35.680 sort of Rio Grande del Norte national monument. So I 0:53:35.760 --> 0:53:40.040 am I am looking forward to that. One of my 0:53:40.239 --> 0:53:42.719 one of my favorite things about Senator Heinrich is that 0:53:43.120 --> 0:53:47.919 as a U. S senator, he I mean, among many 0:53:47.960 --> 0:53:50.160 other hunts, one hunt as a U S senator, he 0:53:50.280 --> 0:53:55.080 drew a muzzleloader tag on national forest land and so 0:53:55.280 --> 0:53:57.799 if you're walking down the trailhead you would like pass 0:53:57.880 --> 0:54:01.040 a guy packing out a bowl what you got packing 0:54:01.080 --> 0:54:04.120 out a bowl with his muzzle loader and probably wouldn't 0:54:04.120 --> 0:54:05.480 be like, I bet that guy is a U. S. 0:54:05.560 --> 0:54:09.839 Senator um just out knocking around on national forest land, 0:54:09.880 --> 0:54:12.120 which is kind of I don't know, it tickles me. 0:54:12.520 --> 0:54:18.239 So Senator Heinrich walk us through kind of like how 0:54:18.360 --> 0:54:22.080 stream access has been defined in New Mexico and how 0:54:22.160 --> 0:54:23.880 could it be that they still are you know, in 0:54:23.960 --> 0:54:27.080 two thousand twenty two are asked or one sorry, are 0:54:27.120 --> 0:54:30.759 asking questions about what it means. Well, I think you're 0:54:30.760 --> 0:54:34.200 asking the right question, Steve, because I think we should 0:54:34.239 --> 0:54:37.320 start with how things have been, because that was the 0:54:37.440 --> 0:54:42.840 basis for how stream access actually got UH codified in 0:54:42.960 --> 0:54:47.560 Supreme law in the in the New Mexico Constitution. There 0:54:47.640 --> 0:54:53.360 was a long history in New Mexico of both Indian tradition, 0:54:54.040 --> 0:54:58.840 tribal tradition, and then Spanish law of people being able 0:54:58.960 --> 0:55:04.719 to access straight aims UH, including for fishing, so including 0:55:04.800 --> 0:55:08.760 waiting because unlike a lot of places in New Mexico, 0:55:09.000 --> 0:55:13.920 navigability is not a standard. You know, our streams are um, 0:55:15.000 --> 0:55:18.400 they're not perennial. In some cases, even the Rio Grand 0:55:18.840 --> 0:55:22.600 goes dry and stretches. So New Mexico has a little 0:55:22.640 --> 0:55:26.400 bit of a different tradition of what is considered a 0:55:26.440 --> 0:55:31.560 public stream that you might have in a riparian um state. 0:55:32.000 --> 0:55:38.120 We're a prior appropriation state, which means that the beneficial 0:55:38.320 --> 0:55:43.200 use of water, which includes fishing, is something that that 0:55:44.239 --> 0:55:46.759 is held by the public, and so in our state 0:55:46.840 --> 0:55:51.440 constitution that's protected. And I think what has changed is 0:55:51.600 --> 0:55:54.880 that we've had folks moved to New Mexico who were 0:55:55.000 --> 0:55:58.200 used to loss in other places, used to traditions in 0:55:58.280 --> 0:56:02.239 other places, used to ripe area law, and there has 0:56:02.320 --> 0:56:06.279 been an effort which a previous governor supported UH to 0:56:06.520 --> 0:56:10.120 use the law to sort of supersede the constitution and 0:56:10.320 --> 0:56:13.400 change the standard for what is a public stream that 0:56:13.480 --> 0:56:16.800 you can fish in and weigh in, Senator, do you 0:56:16.920 --> 0:56:22.319 mind explain to people what you mean when you say navigable, 0:56:23.120 --> 0:56:25.479 like how it works in some states around around whether 0:56:25.520 --> 0:56:29.040 it's navigable or not. So in many states, the standard 0:56:29.200 --> 0:56:33.719 by which UH you can access a stream or not 0:56:33.920 --> 0:56:37.120 access the stream. In many states, that's based on whether 0:56:37.239 --> 0:56:41.400 the stream is navigable. Um, Because New Mexico has a 0:56:41.480 --> 0:56:44.839 different history and a different geography, that has never been 0:56:44.880 --> 0:56:47.879 a legal standard in our state. It's not some it's 0:56:47.920 --> 0:56:50.919 not a word that comes up in the constitution. It's 0:56:50.960 --> 0:56:54.799 actually not the standard that the Supreme Court when they 0:56:54.960 --> 0:56:58.560 ruled on whether or not people had this right to 0:56:58.680 --> 0:57:02.640 be able to wait and fishing our streams. Never has 0:57:02.760 --> 0:57:06.479 the word navigable come up until the last few years 0:57:06.960 --> 0:57:09.400 in trying to sort of set a new standard in 0:57:09.480 --> 0:57:12.320 a in a new way of doing things. You know, 0:57:12.440 --> 0:57:14.759 we have a standard in our constitution and we have 0:57:14.840 --> 0:57:18.400 a Supreme Court ruling in our state that says New 0:57:18.440 --> 0:57:22.760 Mexico streams and waters have always been public and uh 0:57:23.040 --> 0:57:30.720 that includes accessibility specifically for fishing, even if private lands 0:57:31.040 --> 0:57:35.800 a butt those streams on either side. So say someone 0:57:36.720 --> 0:57:39.400 you mentioned people moving to New Mexico and not having 0:57:39.800 --> 0:57:44.920 a perhaps a deep reverence for the way things have 0:57:45.400 --> 0:57:49.560 been managed in New Mexico for perhaps hundreds of years. 0:57:50.960 --> 0:57:52.880 What would they look at if they move in on 0:57:53.000 --> 0:57:56.120 a stream and they own both sides of the stream 0:57:56.560 --> 0:57:59.080 and they see people waiting around fishing and they want 0:57:59.080 --> 0:58:01.800 to put an end to that. How do you like 0:58:01.920 --> 0:58:04.160 what is the argument you come out and make, like 0:58:04.440 --> 0:58:06.160 clearly you just want to have it be that it's 0:58:06.360 --> 0:58:09.200 that it's for you and not for other people. But 0:58:09.440 --> 0:58:11.200 you can't frame it that way, right, You have to 0:58:11.240 --> 0:58:14.480 probably try to frame it around some kind of logic. Yeah. 0:58:14.680 --> 0:58:18.120 And and typically what you will hear from some of 0:58:18.160 --> 0:58:21.400 the people who are trying to um, you know, string 0:58:21.520 --> 0:58:26.080 barbed wire across streams that have have never been off 0:58:26.200 --> 0:58:29.920 limits to the public is that you know, there are 0:58:30.000 --> 0:58:34.680 people who will abuse that resource. And I think that's um, 0:58:35.040 --> 0:58:38.040 you know, it's an issue that that appeals to all 0:58:38.120 --> 0:58:41.080 of us. I mean, if somebody is gonna litter, if 0:58:41.120 --> 0:58:44.560 somebody is is going to be behaving in a way 0:58:44.680 --> 0:58:47.800 that's not respectful of the fishing resource or of the 0:58:47.880 --> 0:58:51.840 stream itself, you can regulate all those things, and you 0:58:51.920 --> 0:58:55.440 can throw the book at somebody who uh doesn't respect 0:58:55.640 --> 0:59:00.440 the legal principle that the land, the private end on 0:59:00.560 --> 0:59:04.360 the sides of those streams uh is private land and 0:59:04.400 --> 0:59:07.360 you can't trespass on it. So there are a whole 0:59:07.440 --> 0:59:10.360 bunch of ways to get at the primary argument, which 0:59:10.480 --> 0:59:12.800 is if you let people do this, there are gonna 0:59:12.840 --> 0:59:15.120 be beer cans in the streams, and there's gonna be 0:59:15.240 --> 0:59:20.280 you know, those fishermen there, they don't respect UM anything, 0:59:20.400 --> 0:59:22.920 and we're gonna have a mess on our hands. So 0:59:23.320 --> 0:59:28.400 I think even if you buy that argument, the way 0:59:28.480 --> 0:59:32.520 to fix that is to set really strict rules. And 0:59:32.920 --> 0:59:35.320 you know, in my experience, anybody who can read a 0:59:35.400 --> 0:59:40.000 fishing proclamation is usually pretty good at following the rules. 0:59:40.680 --> 0:59:43.400 And uh and I think that's the appropriate way to 0:59:43.640 --> 0:59:47.400 resolve some of these conflicts and still respect the proper 0:59:47.720 --> 0:59:52.240 property right that every New Mexican has to those streams. 0:59:53.760 --> 0:59:57.600 Have you guys in New Mexico have you seen a 0:59:58.480 --> 1:00:03.240 gradual reduction and how many streams the public is able 1:00:03.280 --> 1:00:06.360 to access? Like have have people who are opposed to 1:00:06.480 --> 1:00:10.880 open stream access? Have they made progress? Yes? Just in 1:00:11.040 --> 1:00:18.000 the last decade, Uh, we saw a governor who did 1:00:18.120 --> 1:00:21.800 not agree with the Supreme Court ruling and the history 1:00:22.520 --> 1:00:27.600 UM signed a law that allowed people to apply to 1:00:27.680 --> 1:00:31.520 game and fish to certify that their streams are non navigable. 1:00:32.160 --> 1:00:34.880 And the problem with that is navigable is not the 1:00:35.000 --> 1:00:38.680 standard that our constitution uses. It's not the standard that 1:00:39.280 --> 1:00:42.680 are Supreme Court used when they ruled on this issue 1:00:42.760 --> 1:00:46.760 all the way back in n so we're now trying 1:00:47.640 --> 1:00:52.200 there is a there's a court case to overturn um 1:00:52.680 --> 1:00:56.880 that to overturn that new law, because you can't overturn 1:00:56.960 --> 1:01:00.479 the Constitution with the new law. And we have seen 1:01:00.560 --> 1:01:03.960 people stringing barbed wire across streams that people used to float, 1:01:04.440 --> 1:01:06.840 that people used to wait, that people fished in for 1:01:07.200 --> 1:01:11.280 you know, hundreds of years, and uh, that's that's something 1:01:11.360 --> 1:01:16.160 that has a real cultural resonance in our state. So 1:01:16.480 --> 1:01:19.360 you you you have or the state of New Mexico 1:01:19.520 --> 1:01:24.160 rather has a pending list of requests coming in from 1:01:24.280 --> 1:01:28.080 landowners to close off like like, how many are we 1:01:28.160 --> 1:01:32.720 talking about? Uh, it's a handful. But if they continue 1:01:32.800 --> 1:01:36.440 to approve these, it's going to be, in my view, 1:01:36.560 --> 1:01:39.040 death by a thousand cuts because it will happen over 1:01:39.160 --> 1:01:43.240 and over and over again. We've seen a previous Game 1:01:43.280 --> 1:01:46.600 Commission approved some Uh you know, I wrote to the 1:01:46.640 --> 1:01:49.280 current Game Commission and said, you don't get to make 1:01:49.320 --> 1:01:54.840 a ruling that's in conflict with the Constitution, So hold 1:01:54.880 --> 1:01:57.360 off and see what the Supreme Court says on this. 1:01:57.880 --> 1:02:03.240 So that that's your request, is you stop is while 1:02:03.280 --> 1:02:07.760 it's pending and while it's being litigated, to stop acting 1:02:08.000 --> 1:02:13.919 on a ruling that could be unconstitutional and stop granting closures. Yeah, 1:02:13.920 --> 1:02:16.560 and I think they have the full authority uh to 1:02:16.720 --> 1:02:21.440 be clear to deny these applications outright. Um, given that 1:02:21.600 --> 1:02:27.280 we have a number of Attorney generals opinions UM that 1:02:27.440 --> 1:02:31.680 says that the Constitution does not allow excluding the public 1:02:31.840 --> 1:02:35.880 from public water, even if it's running through private property. 1:02:37.320 --> 1:02:41.400 In a case like this, where the Game Commission receives 1:02:41.560 --> 1:02:48.200 the inquiry or the you know, the request is it, 1:02:48.520 --> 1:02:50.680 can you comment on or is it safe to say 1:02:50.760 --> 1:02:53.240 like what their attitude about it is? Are they just 1:02:53.360 --> 1:02:56.680 trying to be compliant? Or does the or does the 1:02:56.800 --> 1:02:59.480 state Game Commission have they do they have a stated 1:02:59.480 --> 1:03:04.560 opinion about this. So the current Game Commission has not 1:03:04.800 --> 1:03:08.680 acted on this. UM. It's a different commission makeup than 1:03:08.880 --> 1:03:12.760 when that law was passed. UM. And so this will 1:03:13.280 --> 1:03:16.280 this will potentially set the dive for their their position 1:03:16.360 --> 1:03:21.000 on this going forward. UM. And And so we don't 1:03:21.120 --> 1:03:23.920 know for sure what the Game Commission is going to 1:03:24.040 --> 1:03:27.120 do when what do you feel is going to happen 1:03:27.200 --> 1:03:30.200 in New Mexico when the when the Supreme Court weighs 1:03:30.240 --> 1:03:33.760 in on it, Do you have a prediction? I feel 1:03:34.120 --> 1:03:39.000 cautiously optimistic about the Supreme Court because the facts that 1:03:39.120 --> 1:03:43.720 the law haven't changed, and there are so many Um, 1:03:44.560 --> 1:03:47.000 there are so many facts that sort of stack up 1:03:47.040 --> 1:03:50.920 against the admissibility of the current law. Um. We have 1:03:51.440 --> 1:03:54.920 three different Attorney generals over the years just flat out 1:03:55.000 --> 1:03:58.840 saying that this is the standard. You can't exclude people 1:03:59.040 --> 1:04:03.200 from public water. Um. You have the underlying language in 1:04:03.280 --> 1:04:07.800 the New Mexico Constitution, and then you have case law. Um. So, 1:04:07.920 --> 1:04:12.600 in nineteen seven, the New Mexico Supreme Court ruled in 1:04:12.680 --> 1:04:16.280 a case called the State versus Red River Valley Company 1:04:16.880 --> 1:04:22.120 that expressly rejected the idea that public water could be 1:04:22.240 --> 1:04:27.480 rendered inaccessible because it's surrounded by private land. I got 1:04:27.560 --> 1:04:28.919 a question for you that you've got to give people 1:04:28.960 --> 1:04:31.560 a little physics or not physics. What do they call 1:04:31.600 --> 1:04:37.040 it when you study government in high school. Civics not physics, Man, 1:04:37.080 --> 1:04:43.400 I'd be lost. I prefer I prefer uh. Senator Heinrich 1:04:43.480 --> 1:04:45.440 was trained as an engineer, so I can understand that. 1:04:45.440 --> 1:04:48.640 But yeah, we're gonna do We're gonna do civics. How Okay, 1:04:48.880 --> 1:04:52.920 you as a as a U. S. Senator, you're elected 1:04:53.000 --> 1:04:55.600 by the people of New Mexico. Correct me if I'm 1:04:55.640 --> 1:04:57.560 wrong here. You're you're elected by the people in New 1:04:57.640 --> 1:05:04.280 Mexico to represent their interests and at a federal level 1:05:04.320 --> 1:05:08.440 in Washington, d C. Is it normal and is it considered? Um? 1:05:09.880 --> 1:05:13.720 Is it kind of like okay and normal for you 1:05:13.880 --> 1:05:18.880 to then come around and kind of communicate to state 1:05:19.000 --> 1:05:22.480 agencies at a state level? Are you like carpet bagging 1:05:22.680 --> 1:05:27.960 or how does that work? No, I'm simply standing up 1:05:28.160 --> 1:05:32.880 for my constituents and for the rights and privileges and 1:05:33.000 --> 1:05:37.880 property privileges that they've always had. And UM, you know, 1:05:38.080 --> 1:05:41.440 I think there's a long history of you know, Senator 1:05:41.560 --> 1:05:45.280 you Doll, who just retired, was also uh was an 1:05:45.320 --> 1:05:49.280 advocate for these same rights, both when he was attorney 1:05:49.360 --> 1:05:52.480 general at the state level and then once he became 1:05:53.000 --> 1:05:56.080 a sitting senator. In fact, that two of us wrote 1:05:56.120 --> 1:05:58.960 an amaricust brief to the New Mexico Supreme Court case 1:05:59.040 --> 1:06:02.200 that's in front of the work right now. And you know, 1:06:02.320 --> 1:06:06.760 I think if people don't step up and protect the 1:06:06.960 --> 1:06:12.160 historic rights of of the hunting and fishing community, uh 1:06:12.280 --> 1:06:16.240 and in this case fishing traditional waiting, we will lose 1:06:17.200 --> 1:06:19.840 we will lose that resource and we'll never get it back. 1:06:20.640 --> 1:06:24.040 Do you mind helping people who don't live in New 1:06:24.120 --> 1:06:29.160 Mexico understand a little bit about why this subject is 1:06:29.280 --> 1:06:31.720 real for them? And I think you're you know, you're 1:06:31.960 --> 1:06:35.360 qualified to do that because the position you hold, you're 1:06:35.400 --> 1:06:38.640 aware of, you know, you're made aware of how these 1:06:38.720 --> 1:06:41.760 issues have ramifications across the whole country, And no doubt 1:06:41.840 --> 1:06:43.840 you have colleagues who deal with similar problems. So I 1:06:43.880 --> 1:06:46.840 can kind of sketch out how people might look at 1:06:47.280 --> 1:06:51.240 what's happening here and then better understand risks to their 1:06:51.280 --> 1:06:55.360 own hunting and fishing rights where they live. Yeah. I 1:06:55.520 --> 1:07:00.360 think in particular, we have seen all across the country 1:07:00.880 --> 1:07:04.840 a lot of streams where there is a a clear 1:07:05.480 --> 1:07:10.520 easement of some sort a property right that belongs either 1:07:10.680 --> 1:07:14.440 to individuals or in many cases to the public. Whether 1:07:14.560 --> 1:07:17.800 that's UM and it's true on streams, it's often true 1:07:17.840 --> 1:07:23.960 on beaches UM where people have said I don't want 1:07:24.000 --> 1:07:27.880 to recognize that property right, and I'm going to chase 1:07:27.960 --> 1:07:32.000 you off this because I have property next door, and 1:07:32.520 --> 1:07:36.320 that that private property right conveys both ways. You get 1:07:36.360 --> 1:07:39.680 to you get to make decisions about your property, but 1:07:39.840 --> 1:07:43.880 you can't take away along established private property right from 1:07:43.920 --> 1:07:48.960 somebody else. And you know, we've seen too many episodes 1:07:49.040 --> 1:07:51.840 of people getting you know, chased off of gravel bars 1:07:51.880 --> 1:07:57.160 and beaches on streams, um that are clearly according to 1:07:57.240 --> 1:08:00.560 the law. And you know you're someone who, having read 1:08:00.600 --> 1:08:03.680 your books, I know how you access your bison hunt 1:08:03.760 --> 1:08:08.600 in Alaska. That is a property right to be able 1:08:08.640 --> 1:08:11.000 to use the stream to get to where you need 1:08:11.080 --> 1:08:14.720 to go. And uh, there are more and more efforts 1:08:14.840 --> 1:08:19.720 now to either change that outright or make it so 1:08:20.040 --> 1:08:24.120 hard and so unpleasant to use that, um, you know, 1:08:24.240 --> 1:08:27.559 to use that stream resource for travel that people will 1:08:27.640 --> 1:08:30.200 just quit doing it. And I think that's a very 1:08:30.320 --> 1:08:36.320 dangerous uh, for lack of a better term, slippery slope. Alright, 1:08:36.520 --> 1:08:40.559 Senator Heinrich, thank you very much for joining us, Thanks 1:08:40.640 --> 1:08:43.040 for explaining this issue. UM, hope you have a lot 1:08:43.040 --> 1:08:45.040 of good luck on it. Was any last final thoughts 1:08:45.040 --> 1:08:48.080 you want to add in and you have time, go ahead, UM, 1:08:48.200 --> 1:08:50.920 if not, look forward to having you in our studio 1:08:51.000 --> 1:08:54.040 sometime soon. No, it's always an honor to to join 1:08:54.120 --> 1:08:59.160 your listeners. And uh, I'm I'm really just grateful for 1:09:00.160 --> 1:09:04.160 what you all have done, um to to really create 1:09:04.520 --> 1:09:09.240 a picture of the sporting community. UM that is complex 1:09:09.439 --> 1:09:14.639 and nuanced and really food focused. And I'm really grateful 1:09:14.720 --> 1:09:17.599 for that because it it helps me explain why I'm 1:09:17.680 --> 1:09:21.960 so passionate about hunting and fishing. Uh too constituents and 1:09:22.080 --> 1:09:25.360 friends who who aren't part of that community. Oh well, 1:09:25.520 --> 1:09:27.840 thank you very much and uh best luck to you. 1:09:28.479 --> 1:09:31.320 Enjoy the weather there in Washington, d C. And we 1:09:31.400 --> 1:09:34.880 will talk to you soon. Thanks again. We're gonna make 1:09:34.880 --> 1:09:40.280 all that Calan boy very similar. Right Like, it's uh 1:09:40.560 --> 1:09:45.280 an issue that I think we'll keep popping up amongst 1:09:45.840 --> 1:09:49.760 the changing landscape of the West, right like recreation versus 1:09:49.960 --> 1:09:52.760 private property rights when it doesn't necessarily have to be 1:09:52.920 --> 1:09:57.040 that way. UM. In regards to New Mexico specifically, if 1:09:57.080 --> 1:09:59.600 you would like to weigh in on this issue, I 1:09:59.640 --> 1:10:03.280 have leave. The best place to go is the New 1:10:03.360 --> 1:10:08.479 Mexico Fishing Game Commission. Very easy to access information. You'll 1:10:08.479 --> 1:10:12.559 be able to email I believe the Commission as an 1:10:12.800 --> 1:10:16.960 entity and then individual commissioners. You can also track down 1:10:17.240 --> 1:10:21.240 letters that you can sign on to at New Mexico 1:10:22.240 --> 1:10:27.799 um Wildlife Federation, New Mexico Wildlife Federation and New Mexico 1:10:27.920 --> 1:10:31.960 back Country Hunters and anglers. Uh, and then you whitewater, folks, 1:10:32.200 --> 1:10:37.120 American whitewater. I believe UM is involved in in this 1:10:37.320 --> 1:10:43.679 one as well. Thank you. Cal call to action cal 1:10:45.640 --> 1:10:47.600 call that. I'm trying to think of better rhyme. I 1:10:47.720 --> 1:10:52.040 work on a call. Gotta have it called action call. 1:10:52.320 --> 1:11:01.639 Let's call it a cal to action cald action. Slow around. 1:11:01.760 --> 1:11:05.760 Phil just sits there. Sometimes you just wonder if he's like, 1:11:06.600 --> 1:11:09.160 you know, but he's just stewing away, man. He's coming 1:11:09.240 --> 1:11:11.000 up with the singers. He's not wasted a bunch of 1:11:11.040 --> 1:11:13.320 time talking about stupid ship. He's just waiting to get 1:11:13.360 --> 1:11:18.479 into with something good. God the hell the action you 1:11:18.600 --> 1:11:22.880 think about that? Last night laying in bedding right now 1:11:23.080 --> 1:11:24.760 just came to me. I don't know what to say. 1:11:24.960 --> 1:11:29.519 You can't contain it. Goodness. Boondocs Saints they have an 1:11:29.560 --> 1:11:33.080 analogy on seven eleven says we're not always doing business, 1:11:33.200 --> 1:11:38.800 but we're always open. That's that's Phil right there, man. 1:11:39.040 --> 1:11:44.160 That was really really deeply impressive. When I was growing up, UM, 1:11:45.680 --> 1:11:46.960 I lived in a lake and like the you know, 1:11:47.120 --> 1:11:49.800 Michigan walk around the lake, right, you just walk along 1:11:49.840 --> 1:11:53.639 the shoreline, and uh, you don't go to people's yards. 1:11:53.680 --> 1:11:55.960 He just walk along the beach. And the thinking had 1:11:55.960 --> 1:11:59.080 always been when you put a when you put your 1:11:59.160 --> 1:12:04.200 dock out, Okay, you're like putting a dock out out 1:12:04.360 --> 1:12:08.719 over public property, right, so you could put it everybody 1:12:08.760 --> 1:12:10.600 put a dock out. But you could go along the 1:12:10.640 --> 1:12:16.120 beach and go out and cast off everybody's dock. Virtually 1:12:16.240 --> 1:12:19.519 everyone is on board with this. Virtually everyone's on board 1:12:19.520 --> 1:12:21.720 with this. But the certain people around the lake. When 1:12:21.760 --> 1:12:23.280 you were a kid, you knew that when you went 1:12:23.320 --> 1:12:27.400 out on their dock, um, someone's gonna come l at 1:12:27.439 --> 1:12:29.720 you that. Yeah, I don't. I don't know how I 1:12:29.800 --> 1:12:32.000 feel about that. Like if I had a dock, don't 1:12:32.000 --> 1:12:34.439 put your dock out in my water. And then but 1:12:34.520 --> 1:12:36.680 then all of a sudden, what happens if you know, 1:12:37.120 --> 1:12:39.720 if little Tommy comes on the dock and breaks his leg. 1:12:40.040 --> 1:12:41.880 Come on, I hate to go there, but that's the 1:12:41.920 --> 1:12:44.920 world we're in. I'm just telling you this. There were 1:12:45.040 --> 1:12:49.760 certain people Mudgeons. I guess the worst offender died off. 1:12:50.800 --> 1:12:54.160 They all do. The worst offender died off. I don't 1:12:54.160 --> 1:12:57.800 even you know it was. I don't know how long ago. 1:12:58.120 --> 1:13:01.120 Missus you know what she like? It was her decision. 1:13:01.560 --> 1:13:08.240 Mrs Angelo was and we were Italians too, so like 1:13:08.400 --> 1:13:10.560 she didn't even give us like the old Italian to 1:13:10.680 --> 1:13:13.760 Italian deal, very un Italian, her, very un Italian, and 1:13:13.800 --> 1:13:17.920 not let another Italian, you know what kind of we 1:13:18.439 --> 1:13:22.519 stick together with the old world people. So miss Angelo 1:13:23.320 --> 1:13:25.880 somehow got away with it. My entire childhood, no one 1:13:25.920 --> 1:13:29.160 went and challenged her. She was NAT's. She would not 1:13:29.280 --> 1:13:31.920 let you on her dock. She wouldn't let she wouldn't. 1:13:32.640 --> 1:13:34.840 You could like go along her beach, but she didn't 1:13:34.840 --> 1:13:38.320 even like you to loiter for a minute. Totally illegal, 1:13:39.680 --> 1:13:43.240 but no one challenged her. Okay, so legally you were allowed. 1:13:43.680 --> 1:13:45.320 You're allowed to walk along the beach. A lot of 1:13:45.360 --> 1:13:48.320 you can't. You can't. You putting a platform out over 1:13:48.360 --> 1:13:51.599 the water doesn't mean you own. It's like you're borrowing 1:13:51.680 --> 1:13:55.400 the space. But no one would stick up to Miss Angelo. 1:13:55.600 --> 1:14:03.000 Yeah I wouldn't. There's a lot of other docks. Ecuse me, Yeah, 1:14:03.280 --> 1:14:04.760 I guess I was. Yeah, she was like, yeah, I was. 1:14:05.240 --> 1:14:08.320 You know, thirty docks. It's going to different docks. Miss 1:14:08.400 --> 1:14:11.600 Angelo's dock the best doc or well, let me tell you, 1:14:12.000 --> 1:14:16.000 she was right on the channel. So she was like 1:14:16.320 --> 1:14:19.280 there's a channel that connected are like middle Light with Westlake, 1:14:20.280 --> 1:14:24.479 and so it was an interesting little area and that 1:14:24.680 --> 1:14:27.519 channel was a big lily pad thing and blue gills 1:14:27.560 --> 1:14:29.439 had come up there because the water warm up in there. 1:14:29.560 --> 1:14:31.759 So yeah, you wanted to be around there. Oh, plus 1:14:31.920 --> 1:14:34.200 not being able to go there makes it an even 1:14:34.360 --> 1:14:38.880 better spot, especially as a kid, like, yeah, what she hiding? 1:14:40.000 --> 1:14:43.080 Yeah she had a flat roof. I feel like I 1:14:43.120 --> 1:14:44.760 feel like my whole man once said that there was 1:14:44.760 --> 1:14:46.040 a bunch of water on there and he saw a 1:14:46.120 --> 1:14:48.960 duck land up there. I don't know, I feel like 1:14:49.040 --> 1:14:51.360 that sticks in my head, you know how you know, 1:14:51.560 --> 1:14:53.840 bass anglers like to like pull bass out of the 1:14:53.880 --> 1:14:56.840 shadows of people's personal docks and they get they get 1:14:56.880 --> 1:15:00.720 real intimate with Yeah. I still on a fishing group 1:15:00.800 --> 1:15:04.040 yesterday it was like fishing open water fishing Minnesota. Somebody 1:15:04.080 --> 1:15:07.719 posted a picture of a dock that they were rolling 1:15:07.840 --> 1:15:10.320 up on to pull bass out of the shadows from 1:15:10.920 --> 1:15:16.680 and a motion activated sprinkler turned on. That's that's like 1:15:16.760 --> 1:15:18.720 an evolution that I don't know if we ever said that. 1:15:20.320 --> 1:15:22.800 Um in Lake Washington, which is that you know Big 1:15:22.800 --> 1:15:27.280 Gass Lake in Seattle, there's an apartment buildings built like 1:15:27.360 --> 1:15:31.360 on piers, and you can fish the shadows of apartment 1:15:31.360 --> 1:15:35.120 buildings and you're basically like looking into people's bathrooms and 1:15:35.120 --> 1:15:36.920 stuff out of your boat, you know. But still then 1:15:37.000 --> 1:15:38.640 no like no one would come out in hollow, right, 1:15:38.840 --> 1:15:41.000 and what are you pulling out of there? You'd find 1:15:41.280 --> 1:15:44.800 bluegills and small mouth in there in the shadows, and 1:15:44.800 --> 1:15:47.720 the blue goos weirdly would come up. Even if it's 1:15:47.760 --> 1:15:50.040 ten twelve ft of water, they'd come up and lay. 1:15:52.120 --> 1:15:55.680 They will know shading, but weirdly they'd come up to 1:15:55.760 --> 1:15:58.640 the surface to lay in the shade. You look and 1:15:58.680 --> 1:16:01.280 they just be everywhere. You think it's because just the water, 1:16:01.320 --> 1:16:03.639 which is a little warmer. You liked about it, Yeah, 1:16:03.800 --> 1:16:06.000 I don't know what like you catch him out of 1:16:06.040 --> 1:16:12.320 there though, Brad, yes, sir um with that taking care 1:16:12.320 --> 1:16:14.439 of I gotta cover off. I'm gonna talk about some stuff. 1:16:14.479 --> 1:16:16.559 But I would I would appreciate it if you would 1:16:16.560 --> 1:16:20.639 begin serving your blue fin tuna. I was. I thought 1:16:20.640 --> 1:16:22.360 you'd never asked. I got it sliced up. We've got 1:16:22.400 --> 1:16:24.439 some blue fin. I got a little bit of show 1:16:24.560 --> 1:16:28.240 you with some friends that I make out in coastal Connecticut. Yeah, 1:16:28.400 --> 1:16:30.200 so I tell people what show you is. Yeah. So 1:16:30.240 --> 1:16:32.760 it's just a Japanese name for soy sauce, which is 1:16:32.840 --> 1:16:34.440 kind of if you want, if you want to be pretentious, 1:16:34.600 --> 1:16:36.800 you say show you. Well, I mean no, I mean 1:16:36.880 --> 1:16:39.559 if it's if it's a Japanese style, I guess right. 1:16:39.600 --> 1:16:41.960 So I don't think all soy sauces are. And that's 1:16:42.000 --> 1:16:43.760 kind of a blanket. You can say it without being 1:16:43.800 --> 1:16:47.320 pretentious because this is your this is your world, sure, 1:16:47.360 --> 1:16:49.040 and it's just it's a respect thing too, you know, 1:16:49.160 --> 1:16:51.599 and like my and the folks that I make it. Wait, 1:16:51.680 --> 1:16:54.040 we were highly influenced by a Japanese cuisine, so I 1:16:54.120 --> 1:16:55.840 think it was just it's a nice thing too. And 1:16:55.880 --> 1:16:58.120 it was a major conversation we had, do we call 1:16:58.160 --> 1:17:00.320 it so he sauce or show you on the bottle? 1:17:00.400 --> 1:17:02.439 And then I know, given that most of the you know, 1:17:02.880 --> 1:17:04.599 the people that are going to be buying this are 1:17:04.640 --> 1:17:07.360 from America, it was like, you know, I and we 1:17:07.439 --> 1:17:09.559 all voted, let's keep it showing now the horrible thing 1:17:09.600 --> 1:17:12.200 I said, Well, no, no, I said about the pretentious. No, 1:17:12.280 --> 1:17:14.720 it was perfect And anyway, we're gonna drizzle that and 1:17:14.800 --> 1:17:16.439 this is something we make. It's it's aged. It's like 1:17:16.520 --> 1:17:18.600 a it's just a year old process and it's just 1:17:18.760 --> 1:17:22.640 kogi soybeans water and it ferments back the little fermentation 1:17:22.920 --> 1:17:25.040 and this is just a nice little umami liquid that 1:17:25.120 --> 1:17:29.120 comes off it. And you got a bag of rice. Yeah, 1:17:29.720 --> 1:17:32.519 people brought that for us, a little sabi. I brought 1:17:32.560 --> 1:17:34.280 the I brought the tuna and a little show you. 1:17:34.360 --> 1:17:37.040 I'll just do a little drizzle and then, um, anyone 1:17:37.120 --> 1:17:39.479 who wants it, yeah, go that direction. So I'm gonna 1:17:39.479 --> 1:17:42.799 talk about something. Yeah, and listen. If it's not fishy, 1:17:42.880 --> 1:17:45.160 it's as fresh as it gets. It was frozen with 1:17:45.320 --> 1:17:47.040 the skin on it, and when we defrosted it, the 1:17:47.080 --> 1:17:50.040 skin had a little bit of a fishiness. In case 1:17:50.080 --> 1:17:53.000 anyone was wondering. Listen, I'm very excited. This is gonna 1:17:53.040 --> 1:17:56.040 taste better knowing that, Um, a body of yours named 1:17:56.120 --> 1:18:00.640 Vinnie from New Jersey, Connecticut, Connecticut would be different if 1:18:00.640 --> 1:18:02.599 it was a guy named Steve, like that would meanless. 1:18:03.160 --> 1:18:06.280 It's so like it's just stupid. Yeah, NI makes it 1:18:06.760 --> 1:18:09.600 even better, like a guy named Stevens, Like I like 1:18:09.760 --> 1:18:12.320 my interest meter. I just turned it down. What's the 1:18:12.360 --> 1:18:15.080 guy named Steve gonna bring Vinnie might be today maybe 1:18:15.120 --> 1:18:17.840 the first time we've uttered the name Vinnie on this show. 1:18:18.560 --> 1:18:22.519 This is the inaugural appearance of a man named Vinny. Well, 1:18:22.520 --> 1:18:24.120 we'll see how this tune it goes. And maybe if 1:18:24.160 --> 1:18:25.320 you know, if you guys can fight me out here, 1:18:25.360 --> 1:18:28.920 next time, I'll bring all Vincenzo and Well we'll talk 1:18:29.000 --> 1:18:34.000 to Speaking of names, guy rode in his last names Fisher. 1:18:34.479 --> 1:18:38.519 So his name this feller's name is Austin Fisher, and 1:18:39.080 --> 1:18:42.599 he and his wife are expecting a child in December. 1:18:42.680 --> 1:18:46.760 The first child. He wants the name. He doesn't care 1:18:46.760 --> 1:18:48.240 if it's a boy or a girl. He wants the 1:18:48.320 --> 1:18:54.080 name it Hunter. Yeah. I love it, thinking that what 1:18:54.240 --> 1:19:02.720 better name than Hunter Fisher. His wife is not too 1:19:02.800 --> 1:19:05.240 hip to it. She's not, she's not completely write it off, 1:19:05.320 --> 1:19:08.120 but she said, after some serious discussion, his wife said 1:19:08.160 --> 1:19:10.640 that if janis or Steve says Hunter Fisher is a 1:19:10.680 --> 1:19:15.040 good name on the podcast, we can name our child Hunter. Hm. 1:19:17.080 --> 1:19:20.040 That a lot of pressure do that, A lot of 1:19:20.080 --> 1:19:25.639 pressure on you. Now. I generally generally would advise against 1:19:25.840 --> 1:19:31.200 naming him Hunter, because I think you can backfire popular 1:19:31.280 --> 1:19:34.040 name these days. But I think you can backfire. A 1:19:34.080 --> 1:19:35.960 lot of hunters name their kid hunter thinking they're gonna 1:19:35.960 --> 1:19:37.640 be a hunter. Kid's gonna get made fun of. I 1:19:37.760 --> 1:19:40.559 named my kid James. He's a big time hunter. If 1:19:40.600 --> 1:19:42.240 I had named him Hunter, maybe he'd have been like, 1:19:42.520 --> 1:19:44.320 I don't know, it's just so much pressure, too much. 1:19:45.479 --> 1:19:48.920 Kid doesn't need that. But his name last name is Fisher, Hunter, Fisher. 1:19:49.000 --> 1:19:52.800 Now I mean, no, you can't do it. I can't 1:19:52.880 --> 1:19:58.360 do it. Yeah you can legally. I think you go 1:19:58.479 --> 1:20:00.840 by your last name. Hey, So I had a dog 1:20:00.920 --> 1:20:03.880 named Fisher and I called her the big Fish. And 1:20:04.200 --> 1:20:06.760 if somebody just goes around and says, hey, fish, come 1:20:06.840 --> 1:20:09.400 over here, like that's a catchy name. That's a good name. 1:20:10.040 --> 1:20:13.679 So I would say, go with whatever first name you want, 1:20:14.280 --> 1:20:16.160 and the kid's going to go buy fish. I'm gonna 1:20:16.200 --> 1:20:18.000 bring this back to a conversation I had with my 1:20:18.080 --> 1:20:20.639 wife and we were trying to name. It is very good. 1:20:21.439 --> 1:20:24.439 Thanks Vinnie and Brad. That is amazing. This this is 1:20:24.760 --> 1:20:30.840 freaking I'm gonna have a second. We were contemplating calling 1:20:30.880 --> 1:20:33.760 our second son Porter, which is the name I like, 1:20:34.360 --> 1:20:39.240 but my guy that carries things. Yeah, sure, but my 1:20:39.320 --> 1:20:43.400 our last name is Taylor and that sounds like exactly. 1:20:43.520 --> 1:20:48.240 I don't like the last syllable matching with you know, 1:20:48.520 --> 1:20:52.760 Porter Taylor, Hunter Fisher. That's that's where I draw some 1:20:53.000 --> 1:20:57.840 some beef too. I'm saying, no, Spencer, uh, I don't 1:20:57.880 --> 1:21:04.120 love it. M Chester, whatever floats their boat. I guess 1:21:04.200 --> 1:21:06.240 it's the one thing, you know, like if you have 1:21:06.360 --> 1:21:08.600 a kid, you know, you get to name it. You know, 1:21:08.760 --> 1:21:11.479 it's like that's like you got that. You know, you 1:21:11.600 --> 1:21:13.880 earned that one, So go ahead and name it whatever 1:21:13.920 --> 1:21:15.880 you want, but think about the child, you know, like 1:21:16.160 --> 1:21:17.760 and I bring that up. This has nothing to do 1:21:17.880 --> 1:21:21.160 with that kind of naming. But I have two kids 1:21:21.200 --> 1:21:24.559 and my wife, she our first son, she had this idea, 1:21:24.680 --> 1:21:26.960 my last name is Leoni and she had this, like 1:21:27.200 --> 1:21:30.719 family name this guy. One great great uncle's name was Caesar, 1:21:30.840 --> 1:21:33.240 you know, like his French guy or something. And she 1:21:33.360 --> 1:21:35.320 was like, why don't we name our kids Caesar Leoni? 1:21:35.960 --> 1:21:38.960 And I'm like, are you out of your mind? Caesar 1:21:39.120 --> 1:21:41.960 Leone and we're from New Jersey. Just shut that right down, 1:21:42.200 --> 1:21:47.040 you know, is he gonna make black and white? But 1:21:47.160 --> 1:21:50.120 nothing good? But but here can I point out a hypocrisy? 1:21:50.200 --> 1:21:55.840 And you, Brad go right ahead you yesterday. Guy doesn't 1:21:55.880 --> 1:22:00.080 miss anything you yesterday. We're telling me something that that 1:22:00.240 --> 1:22:03.080 us that a food biologist or something told you Rosemary 1:22:03.120 --> 1:22:07.519 Trout shout out the you said you pointed out that 1:22:07.640 --> 1:22:11.679 you especially believed her because her name was Rosemary Trout. Yeah, 1:22:13.040 --> 1:22:16.320 it's good one, Steve. You're right, so I'm glad her 1:22:16.400 --> 1:22:18.960 parents did. But You're like, how could you argue with 1:22:19.040 --> 1:22:21.880 someone named Rosemary Trout so now about a food issue? 1:22:22.160 --> 1:22:24.519 And I'm like, sure, man, I'm not going to argue 1:22:24.560 --> 1:22:27.320 a woman named Rosemary Trout about food. And I named 1:22:27.360 --> 1:22:32.599 my daughter Rosemary. So Hunter Fisher, should he become so inclined, 1:22:32.680 --> 1:22:35.639 he better be good at it. Steve, You're like, if 1:22:35.880 --> 1:22:39.240 if I'm talking to a guy and I'm like, I'm 1:22:39.240 --> 1:22:40.920 at a wedding, you know, and your board out of 1:22:40.920 --> 1:22:43.000 your mind. You always find the person likes to hunt 1:22:43.040 --> 1:22:46.240 and talk to them so and they're like, oh, you 1:22:46.280 --> 1:22:47.200 know that you used to talk to that guy he 1:22:47.280 --> 1:22:49.280 likes to hunt fish. And I go over to bay 1:22:49.320 --> 1:22:50.680 what your name heard like hunting fish? Is that my 1:22:50.760 --> 1:22:56.360 name is Hunter Fisher. Dude. I'm in, I'm in. I'm 1:22:56.520 --> 1:22:59.880 open to what they have to say. I think it's 1:22:59.920 --> 1:23:02.519 a great idea. It's great bar talk, you know, and like, 1:23:02.680 --> 1:23:05.000 if you're gonna name your kid hunter Fisher, you got 1:23:05.040 --> 1:23:06.880 a lot riding on that. You got a lot riding. 1:23:07.040 --> 1:23:08.640 They better be into it, you know, if he's what 1:23:08.680 --> 1:23:12.320 if he's a rockhound, or what if he turns out 1:23:12.320 --> 1:23:15.280 to be a librarian, Hunter Fisher the librarian. I guess 1:23:15.320 --> 1:23:18.000 it works. Maybe the compromise here is middle name Hunter 1:23:19.840 --> 1:23:31.040 m Bob Hunter Fisher, Joe Hunter Fisher, ecologist, Hunter Fisher. Doctor. 1:23:31.160 --> 1:23:35.040 Don't he thinks he's Joe Hunter Fisher, Like, no, he 1:23:35.120 --> 1:23:38.200 is Joe Hunter Fisher's his name? He doesn't think he's 1:23:38.240 --> 1:23:41.840 Joe Hunter Fisher. If your name's Hunter Fisher or Rosemary Trout, 1:23:41.880 --> 1:23:44.280 you gotta go. You gotta go, doctor, You gotta go straight, 1:23:44.400 --> 1:23:46.360 go all the way go. First name as a doctor, 1:23:47.000 --> 1:23:49.240 first name as doctor. Did we talk about this on 1:23:49.320 --> 1:23:53.760 this show? This reminds me of of there's a there's 1:23:53.760 --> 1:23:59.519 a doctor who performs circumcisions and his last name, his 1:23:59.640 --> 1:24:03.240 first name is Richard is Dick and his last name 1:24:03.360 --> 1:24:11.439 is chopped her Dick chop. Oh that was late night man. 1:24:11.479 --> 1:24:14.439 It really cut back on naming people. Dick. Yeah, they 1:24:14.479 --> 1:24:18.000 all went Rick. They all went Rick. Richard's all just 1:24:18.040 --> 1:24:21.320 bailed on it and became Rick. And when I when 1:24:22.200 --> 1:24:25.760 I went in to watch my boys get circumcised, and 1:24:25.960 --> 1:24:27.320 it's like now a lot of people are often to 1:24:27.400 --> 1:24:29.519 not do that, you know, like a body of mind 1:24:29.520 --> 1:24:31.120 didn't do it with his kid, and he's like, oh, man, 1:24:31.200 --> 1:24:33.240 like the first thing that happens him when he's born, 1:24:33.320 --> 1:24:37.519 first he happens, he gets like it was like well 1:24:37.720 --> 1:24:40.280 to welcome to the earth. You know, it's intense. Um. 1:24:40.439 --> 1:24:42.360 But as we did it, because people do it and 1:24:42.439 --> 1:24:45.679 we're just like very uh you know, pure pressure. Yeah, 1:24:46.600 --> 1:24:49.519 so you know. And then I've also heard people uh 1:24:50.479 --> 1:24:52.760 do it and not do it because they were like 1:24:52.920 --> 1:24:55.920 afraid that they wanted their genitalia to look like their 1:24:56.000 --> 1:24:58.240 kids because they thought it had caused confusion for their kids. 1:24:58.520 --> 1:25:00.880 That's where my brain went. Really, I was like, yeah, 1:25:00.880 --> 1:25:02.800 I just want the boys looking different than that. You know, 1:25:03.400 --> 1:25:06.160 it's very selfish. I felt bad, like when afterwards, I 1:25:06.280 --> 1:25:08.920 was like, oh my god, I'm guessing there's other significant 1:25:08.920 --> 1:25:12.040 differences when they're a little boy. But I hope so Steve. 1:25:12.400 --> 1:25:15.800 So I went in to watch it happened. I went 1:25:15.880 --> 1:25:17.600 in with the person, which I think it's common to 1:25:17.680 --> 1:25:22.360 go in and uh and I and she was, you know, 1:25:22.920 --> 1:25:25.920 doing it cutting it off, and I said something to 1:25:25.920 --> 1:25:28.800 the effect of wow, you know, and the person doing 1:25:28.880 --> 1:25:36.240 it says, oh, it's brutal. Yeah, while doing it. Um, 1:25:37.360 --> 1:25:40.280 there's something interesting for you, Spencer. My interest meters already 1:25:40.320 --> 1:25:42.439 way up. We I could talk for Oddly. I was 1:25:42.800 --> 1:25:46.320 very into talking about me. They're they're back here. We 1:25:46.360 --> 1:25:48.560 can plug it in. Next time I haven't plugged in, 1:25:48.680 --> 1:25:50.840 I'll do it. Do you feel that that falls under 1:25:50.840 --> 1:25:55.320 your responsibilities? Oh? Yeah, absolutely, because I thought maybe you 1:25:55.360 --> 1:25:57.519 were like dude last day, I needed another thing rolled 1:25:57.560 --> 1:26:01.479 in under my uh under or my like bailiwick. Well, 1:26:01.520 --> 1:26:04.800 I've told Karin I thought the interest me listen. Craftsmanship 1:26:04.920 --> 1:26:07.920 incredible thanks to the guy who made him. I think 1:26:07.920 --> 1:26:12.080 it's a terrible idea. I didn't know. Man right out 1:26:12.120 --> 1:26:15.160 in the public. He says that, yeah, where's the other 1:26:15.240 --> 1:26:19.160 half of that sandwich? Yes? Oh yeah, can you ground 1:26:19.200 --> 1:26:25.040 it off and make it a compment sandwich? Great shoes? 1:26:25.840 --> 1:26:28.320 Oh no, No to the guy, you said, beautiful craftsmanship, 1:26:28.600 --> 1:26:35.400 Oh horrible idea. Well it was your idea, So here's 1:26:35.439 --> 1:26:40.720 one for you. Spencer, you'll like, um about your new tattoo, Brad, 1:26:40.760 --> 1:26:45.639 do you look like a tattooed fella? No? I have one. 1:26:47.800 --> 1:26:52.439 It's the worst. It's on my ankle. Hold on, I 1:26:52.439 --> 1:26:54.880 gotta step away from the microphone. It's on my ankle 1:26:55.080 --> 1:26:58.280 and it's my initials in a license plate kind of thing. 1:26:58.400 --> 1:27:01.360 But but the it's not my initials. We got it 1:27:01.479 --> 1:27:03.919 from this guy, Joe Budds, when we were like fifteen, 1:27:03.960 --> 1:27:06.360 and there was like your friends have great names, Joe 1:27:06.439 --> 1:27:10.519 Budds criminal and yeah, Joe Joe Budds. I don't know. 1:27:10.520 --> 1:27:12.120 I probably shouldn't say his name. Is that killed me? 1:27:12.439 --> 1:27:14.880 But Joe Budds we were like fifteen. You know, he 1:27:14.960 --> 1:27:19.600 tattooed a bunch of kids, you know, and uh, you 1:27:19.720 --> 1:27:21.320 might right to Joe Budd's house, you know, in no 1:27:21.439 --> 1:27:25.800 fucking around you guys, Carson here, I'm sorry people should 1:27:25.840 --> 1:27:28.960 complain about it. Yeah, sorry, guys. I do appreciate a 1:27:29.000 --> 1:27:30.920 good family show. Well you know what that's like a 1:27:31.000 --> 1:27:32.920 lot of people like when it just happens on then 1:27:33.040 --> 1:27:35.000 and people get upsetting, like oh you know what about 1:27:35.200 --> 1:27:38.320 the kids? Kids? But like I just feel like, um, 1:27:38.560 --> 1:27:40.640 I got a bad mouth. I just feel like that. 1:27:41.200 --> 1:27:43.960 It's just they're gonna find out. They're gonna find out 1:27:44.000 --> 1:27:47.439 that there's naughty words. They're gonna be watching, uh, you know, 1:27:47.520 --> 1:27:52.360 like a Mel Gibson movie. Eventually they're gonna leave Mel 1:27:52.439 --> 1:27:55.519 out of this whatever. Poor now you know they're gonnay're 1:27:55.520 --> 1:27:58.240 gonna be whatever. You know, they're gonna be watching an 1:27:58.320 --> 1:28:00.800 adventure movie and it's gonna already word in it, and 1:28:00.800 --> 1:28:03.800 now they're then gonna turn off the adventure movie. I'm 1:28:03.840 --> 1:28:05.760 kind of with you. They're gonna be watching adventures. I 1:28:05.880 --> 1:28:08.640 was watching Adventures and Babysuit with my kids. There's the 1:28:08.680 --> 1:28:11.280 F word. No kids, no kid, No. I'm not gonna 1:28:11.280 --> 1:28:13.599 be like, okay, kids will never find out what happens 1:28:13.640 --> 1:28:17.920 to these protagonists. I'm shutting her down after this episode, 1:28:18.160 --> 1:28:20.200 and somebody's like, how dare you cuss in front of 1:28:20.240 --> 1:28:22.200 a child? You can be like, may I remind you 1:28:22.320 --> 1:28:26.120 that I contracted someone to brutally remove their force? Can yeah? 1:28:26.560 --> 1:28:29.120 Tell how much I care about them, Steve. I'm not 1:28:29.160 --> 1:28:33.080 anti Curson, I guess. And in this platform that you 1:28:33.160 --> 1:28:35.080 have from and as a guest, you know, I know 1:28:35.200 --> 1:28:37.040 it's it's the outdoors we're talking about fishing, a lot 1:28:37.080 --> 1:28:39.080 of really cool and important stuff. I want to keep 1:28:39.120 --> 1:28:42.400 it classy personally. I think you should. Yeah, I think 1:28:42.439 --> 1:28:45.280 you should. I'm saying now, And then it happens, people 1:28:45.320 --> 1:28:50.120 get upset. My advice to them is just like water 1:28:50.240 --> 1:28:53.800 under the fridge. It's this, it's this. There's a lot 1:28:53.920 --> 1:28:56.240 that goes in this is my personal viewpoint. There's a 1:28:56.320 --> 1:28:58.720 lot that goes into parenting. There's a lot that goes 1:28:58.760 --> 1:29:03.719 into parenting. We want to make our kids compassionate, resilient, tough, 1:29:04.760 --> 1:29:08.880 um to have empathy. I think that you can achieve 1:29:08.960 --> 1:29:11.120 all those things, whether they know about dirty words or not. 1:29:12.400 --> 1:29:14.719 I don't think that them finding out about a naughty 1:29:14.800 --> 1:29:18.360 word is going to derail the whole plan. I don't. 1:29:18.560 --> 1:29:21.080 And three of them, and Tony and Susie at school, 1:29:21.080 --> 1:29:23.599 they're already hearing it. You know, it's just not gonna 1:29:23.640 --> 1:29:25.320 be what makes They're not gonna wind up in jail. 1:29:25.439 --> 1:29:27.840 The internet, forget it. We ain't the problem. Okay, go ahead, 1:29:29.720 --> 1:29:33.439 worry about something again. But my tattoo, yeah, so it's 1:29:33.479 --> 1:29:35.360 it's it's b L on my ankle. It's the only 1:29:35.400 --> 1:29:38.240 one I have. But it stands for that's right now, 1:29:38.520 --> 1:29:41.760 but it doesn't stand for Bradley does. But like, there's 1:29:41.800 --> 1:29:44.160 like ten other kids that I went to school that 1:29:44.240 --> 1:29:45.960 grew up with. And we grew up in a neighborhood, 1:29:46.240 --> 1:29:49.000 a lake community called Barry Lakes, and we all thought 1:29:49.040 --> 1:29:51.000 it was like this, like yeah, you know, no one 1:29:51.080 --> 1:29:53.599 really messes, but you know, it was like our little gang. 1:29:53.800 --> 1:29:55.559 But no one mess with a Verry late guy. Did 1:29:55.640 --> 1:29:57.639 no one mess with it. We were the mountain kids, 1:29:57.680 --> 1:30:00.799 you know, so like Vernon, New Jersey's right, the Appalachian 1:30:00.800 --> 1:30:02.640 Trail kind of runs through and that's where I grew up. 1:30:03.120 --> 1:30:05.080 And there was valley kids and then there was a 1:30:05.120 --> 1:30:08.400 mountain kids. The mountain kids, I mean, I don't mount kids. 1:30:08.840 --> 1:30:11.360 That's where it was at your tires. You know that 1:30:11.439 --> 1:30:13.240 a lot of the valley kids were kind of criminals. 1:30:13.320 --> 1:30:15.280 But but but we were like we did all like 1:30:15.360 --> 1:30:16.840 the hunt, and I don't know, it was just very 1:30:16.920 --> 1:30:18.720 like tribal, very like you know, I feel like that's 1:30:18.720 --> 1:30:22.000 what that stands. And you didn't think that it might 1:30:22.080 --> 1:30:24.800 not be a good idea because that's your initials, not 1:30:24.960 --> 1:30:27.799 not really more like like, oh, idiot's got my initials 1:30:27.880 --> 1:30:29.920 on your ankles. And that was like the first kid 1:30:30.040 --> 1:30:32.840 thing that I thought of, But yeah, that went away 1:30:32.880 --> 1:30:35.080 and it was more like, oh god, you have to 1:30:35.160 --> 1:30:38.639 tell everyone now that like, oh, would you forget your name? Brad? 1:30:38.760 --> 1:30:40.599 Like you know, it's like people say all the time 1:30:40.640 --> 1:30:42.840 and just kind of explaining that. But it could it 1:30:42.920 --> 1:30:44.679 could be worse. You know. You know what, I can't 1:30:44.720 --> 1:30:52.040 stop watching It's alive. Uh, I'm watching an Italian You 1:30:52.120 --> 1:30:54.160 have to read the whole damn thing. But go Mora 1:30:55.760 --> 1:30:59.360 years ago. Gomera was a movie about the Neapolitan crime 1:30:59.400 --> 1:31:04.960 syndicate you know in Italy not believe brutal, so then 1:31:05.040 --> 1:31:07.760 they now do it. They did a series Gomera. I 1:31:07.880 --> 1:31:09.960 usually avoid serious because I don't like getting that it 1:31:10.000 --> 1:31:12.920 takes too much time. Oh I love it. Man. You 1:31:13.000 --> 1:31:15.479 get ready to move on, but you can't. You want 1:31:15.520 --> 1:31:17.000 to go on to the living your life, but you 1:31:17.040 --> 1:31:19.960 can't because you gotta watch five thousand episodes of something. 1:31:20.040 --> 1:31:21.360 Do you fly a lot? What do you do on 1:31:21.479 --> 1:31:23.519 on the plane? I mean, I just can't quit though. 1:31:23.600 --> 1:31:27.439 But it's it's called Gomera anyways. In it, there's a 1:31:27.479 --> 1:31:29.800 crime boss and he gets a new messenger. He's in 1:31:29.920 --> 1:31:31.840 hiding and he has a new messenger and she in 1:31:31.880 --> 1:31:35.400 a garbage removal business during a lot mostly narcotics, but 1:31:35.479 --> 1:31:38.040 they do a variety of things. He has a messenger 1:31:38.280 --> 1:31:43.120 and she has a tattoo of a lioness on her arm, 1:31:43.240 --> 1:31:44.679 and he asked her why do you have that tattoo 1:31:45.320 --> 1:31:47.280 and she said, well, I got it my father died. 1:31:47.920 --> 1:31:49.720 You have to read all this because an Italian. So 1:31:49.840 --> 1:31:52.519 I got it when my father died. That's what he 1:31:52.640 --> 1:31:57.080 called me. Leoni. Well, he says to her, he says, 1:31:57.880 --> 1:32:01.639 if you were a real lioness, you wouldn't need that tattoo. 1:32:02.439 --> 1:32:08.320 And she burned it off with a hot spoon and 1:32:08.400 --> 1:32:12.479 then said, who's the lioness now? So just pointing that out, 1:32:12.800 --> 1:32:14.920 she'd kill you. Need a pizza and feel fine about it. 1:32:15.280 --> 1:32:17.439 Pointed out you could get a propane torch and a 1:32:17.479 --> 1:32:20.639 hot and a spoon that thing off right on this show. 1:32:24.360 --> 1:32:27.040 That's what a real Berry late kid would do. Get 1:32:27.120 --> 1:32:28.840 to get the boys in here so they can watch 1:32:28.960 --> 1:32:33.160 day Oh my god. The reason I bring this up. 1:32:33.280 --> 1:32:36.320 Spencer got that brand new tattoo um on his arm. 1:32:36.600 --> 1:32:38.639 The next deployment is in August. To get it off. 1:32:40.640 --> 1:32:44.240 Get a second one another tree. Well, what is it there? 1:32:44.280 --> 1:32:46.920 Bud it's a it's a state tree or something like that. Oh, 1:32:47.040 --> 1:32:48.920 this this one is a Black Hills spruce grows in 1:32:48.960 --> 1:32:51.120 the Black Hills, found in South Dakota and Wyoming. He's 1:32:51.120 --> 1:32:53.000 all proud of me from South Dakota, very proud of it. 1:32:55.000 --> 1:32:59.559 Check this out, Spencer. So these archaeologists been looking at 1:32:59.600 --> 1:33:02.479 these sharp up in turkey leg bones that they discovered. 1:33:02.520 --> 1:33:05.200 Are you hip to this they found in Tennessee? Tell us, 1:33:05.280 --> 1:33:08.080 tell us about it, sharpened leg bone. Spencer will tell 1:33:08.080 --> 1:33:13.479 you the needles date back to five thousand, five hundred 1:33:13.560 --> 1:33:16.439 years ago to three thousand, six hundred years ago. The 1:33:16.560 --> 1:33:20.559 age tools were used by Native Americans, and it brings 1:33:20.680 --> 1:33:26.360 back um when they thought tattooing first occurred. And you 1:33:26.400 --> 1:33:29.080 haven't established that they were used for tattooing. Go ahead, 1:33:32.520 --> 1:33:35.000 you got this. No, I'm gonna hand it back over 1:33:35.040 --> 1:33:41.280 to you. They unearthed these mysterious sharpened turkey bones. They 1:33:41.320 --> 1:33:45.360 have come to determine that they believe they were used 1:33:45.600 --> 1:33:49.160 as tattooing tools. Take it away, Spencer, interest meters way up, Spencer, 1:33:50.200 --> 1:33:52.599 A little get Phil won't get them out. That was good. 1:33:52.640 --> 1:33:56.400 That was a good insert, Steve. Now they they think 1:33:56.479 --> 1:33:59.280 that tattooing is a thousand years older than what they 1:33:59.320 --> 1:34:03.920 previously thought. Hmm. Here in the US in North America. 1:34:04.479 --> 1:34:08.120 Remember that ice man from the the Italian Alps. Oh 1:34:08.200 --> 1:34:13.880 I thought, no Ozzy remember him? Oh yeah, they found him. Yeah, 1:34:13.920 --> 1:34:15.960 he had boot he was frozen, he was thawing out 1:34:16.000 --> 1:34:18.559 of a thawing out of a glacier, and he had 1:34:19.120 --> 1:34:22.240 like his boots are made of three different leathers, right, 1:34:23.240 --> 1:34:28.040 very like detailed. He was heavily tattooed seven thousand years 1:34:28.080 --> 1:34:31.679 old in Italy. Now do you think they used alien 1:34:32.040 --> 1:34:34.519 or you know, bird bones because they're hollow, right, and 1:34:34.560 --> 1:34:36.080 they would pipe a little ink down there and just 1:34:36.720 --> 1:34:39.519 little dots. Yeah. Because the other thing that they found 1:34:39.920 --> 1:34:43.960 were I think some shells that had some like ochre 1:34:44.080 --> 1:34:47.400 residue in there, so that that was like your your pigment, 1:34:47.520 --> 1:34:52.200 your die red ochre is was like a very major 1:34:52.640 --> 1:34:55.400 kind of like trade item. You still find it around 1:34:55.520 --> 1:35:00.160 because what is It's oxide? Yeah, to naturally occur ring 1:35:00.560 --> 1:35:06.759 pigment um, but pretty much limited to reds and blues, 1:35:06.920 --> 1:35:12.720 reds and yellows, reds and yellows like orange, orange, red, yellow. Uh. Yeah, 1:35:12.800 --> 1:35:14.439 it's like a pigment it's funny. My kids found some 1:35:14.520 --> 1:35:16.800 one time turkey hunting and they didn't know about it, 1:35:17.160 --> 1:35:18.720 but they did with it what you're supposed to do. 1:35:19.520 --> 1:35:22.760 I come up and all their faces are yellow, and 1:35:22.840 --> 1:35:25.280 they found it, and like independently arrived at the idea 1:35:25.320 --> 1:35:27.840 that you would like paint your skin with it. Yeah, 1:35:27.840 --> 1:35:31.200 I still got the hunk they found. It's kind of cool. Yeah. 1:35:31.200 --> 1:35:33.080 And then another thing you do is you can pulverize 1:35:33.120 --> 1:35:34.559 it and mix it with water and use it as 1:35:34.640 --> 1:35:38.000 a paint. And these turkey bones look sharp as hell, 1:35:38.479 --> 1:35:41.360 like you would earn that tattoo you oh like that 1:35:42.680 --> 1:35:45.120 on the show and have me tattoo you with a 1:35:45.160 --> 1:35:51.080 turkey bone? Who your tattoo needles? This shows can take 1:35:51.080 --> 1:35:55.879 a very jackass and you gonna take on jackassy and elements. 1:35:56.120 --> 1:35:58.120 When he burns his off and he gets a new one, 1:35:58.439 --> 1:36:00.720 maybe that's a new video. Serious. Let me tell you 1:36:00.760 --> 1:36:02.439 what if you guys all of a sudden broke out 1:36:02.560 --> 1:36:06.040 like this weird wooden box that filled with turkey bone 1:36:06.080 --> 1:36:08.840 needles and some native pigments. I would get one right 1:36:08.880 --> 1:36:11.880 now with you. I would do it, Steve um So 1:36:12.080 --> 1:36:18.599 the bones are pigment stained. They two Turkey wing bones 1:36:18.680 --> 1:36:22.360 from the grave also bear microscopic wear and pigment residues, 1:36:22.400 --> 1:36:28.880 but lack sharpened tips, while pigment stained seashells are thought 1:36:28.960 --> 1:36:32.760 to have held inky solutions. So the whole kit a 1:36:32.880 --> 1:36:38.840 shell to put it in, a mechanism to deliver it. Now, 1:36:38.920 --> 1:36:40.880 do you think there was like everyone did their own 1:36:41.080 --> 1:36:43.920 or was there like the tat artist back in the 1:36:44.040 --> 1:36:46.920 day who had his little leather satchel full of stuff 1:36:46.960 --> 1:36:49.000 and like you know, you called Tony the tat guy, 1:36:50.120 --> 1:36:51.400 or I guess he went and he was just I 1:36:51.400 --> 1:36:53.160 don't know, you know, they probably did it to themselves 1:36:53.320 --> 1:36:55.680 or like just a little small inner tribal the neighborhood. 1:36:57.040 --> 1:36:59.479 And then another question, since you guys researching this a 1:36:59.520 --> 1:37:02.240 little bit, I wonder how much like infection I guess, 1:37:02.280 --> 1:37:03.560 I don't know how you would know this, but like 1:37:03.640 --> 1:37:05.960 how much infection was prone when they were just like, oh, 1:37:06.080 --> 1:37:08.240 this is this stuff's green, Let's put it in a 1:37:09.040 --> 1:37:12.720 bird bone and start jabbing myself with it, like it 1:37:12.760 --> 1:37:14.479 seems like a good way to get an infection. And 1:37:14.600 --> 1:37:18.040 they're more rugged, and you know they're infected and well, 1:37:18.120 --> 1:37:20.080 and there's probably they were probably more dialed in right, 1:37:20.080 --> 1:37:22.840 they probably had. I'm just assuming like they knew there 1:37:22.920 --> 1:37:24.639 was a type of leaf that they could put over 1:37:24.840 --> 1:37:28.880 that like stopped infections. I mean, I'm romanticizing it. I'd 1:37:28.920 --> 1:37:31.000 like to believe. I think getting this tattoo was like 1:37:31.120 --> 1:37:32.720 a seven out of ten on the pain scale, but 1:37:32.800 --> 1:37:34.519 this turkey bone now looks like a ten out of ten. 1:37:35.200 --> 1:37:37.519 Where are you getting your next one? I'm gonna fill 1:37:37.600 --> 1:37:40.080 up my arm. I'm gonna do a whole sleeve. Really 1:37:40.320 --> 1:37:45.800 really do your neck neck, no neck, your face, no, 1:37:46.720 --> 1:37:51.200 just your arm, just this one arm because your little goals. 1:37:51.240 --> 1:37:52.439 I don't know it's a goal. Do you have a 1:37:52.479 --> 1:37:57.519 budget in mind? I used to I used to use 1:37:57.560 --> 1:38:01.160 your wife's supportive Yeah. Yeah, he wants you to look tougher. 1:38:02.439 --> 1:38:04.680 Nobody will mess with me. Then I used to, uh, 1:38:05.200 --> 1:38:06.680 like the idea of getting a tattoo, but I could 1:38:06.720 --> 1:38:10.000 never like commit to something. And now recently the pendulum 1:38:10.040 --> 1:38:11.639 has swung so far the other way. There, like any 1:38:11.680 --> 1:38:13.439 idea I have, like, oh I'm gonna get that tattooed, 1:38:13.479 --> 1:38:15.479 I'm gonna get that thing tattoo, you get rocks tattooed 1:38:15.520 --> 1:38:17.880 on your arm? I thought about a fair birned egg 1:38:17.920 --> 1:38:21.880 it which like has some real, like pretty distinct lines 1:38:22.000 --> 1:38:23.640 that you can actually tattoo. But like the stuff that 1:38:23.720 --> 1:38:26.080 I collect, there's there's nothing there that would make for 1:38:26.200 --> 1:38:30.240 a good one dimensional or two dimensional piece of art. 1:38:30.720 --> 1:38:33.080 If you if you, let's say you found that the 1:38:33.200 --> 1:38:37.760 COVID had been worse and it killed everybody, but you, okay, 1:38:38.800 --> 1:38:41.280 you're the only human on earth. Would you get a tattoo? 1:38:41.720 --> 1:38:47.559 Great question, I wouldn't make this podcast. Yeah right, Um, 1:38:48.040 --> 1:38:52.040 I don't know. You'd have to do it yourself, right, sure. 1:38:52.160 --> 1:38:54.080 But let's say there's one no, there's one other guy 1:38:54.520 --> 1:38:56.680 the tattoo artists, but you can't hang out with him. 1:38:57.439 --> 1:38:58.400 You can go in there and get up, but then 1:38:58.439 --> 1:38:59.760 that's that you can't talk to him ever again. Would 1:38:59.760 --> 1:39:01.439 you get a tattoo? Yeah? I think it's still status. 1:39:01.880 --> 1:39:04.280 You don't get a tattoo. No one could see it. Yeah, 1:39:04.320 --> 1:39:06.880 that's fine, that's what he's trying to gauge, right, Yeah, 1:39:07.040 --> 1:39:09.840 just you with you? How deep does that desire? Yeah? 1:39:09.840 --> 1:39:11.720 I like it. Maybe it's just you're not just do 1:39:11.840 --> 1:39:15.680 it because you want people to see it. I also like, 1:39:15.800 --> 1:39:17.760 i'll see here, I'll just look at it sometimes, So 1:39:17.840 --> 1:39:20.760 I like that part of it. It's entertaining to me. 1:39:21.120 --> 1:39:23.560 You didn't ask me, but I feel like if there was, 1:39:23.760 --> 1:39:25.880 if there was no, if I was the only person left, 1:39:25.880 --> 1:39:29.320 I'd be like tattooing the ship out of myself. I'd 1:39:29.360 --> 1:39:31.680 be like my like Wilson, like like ball all of 1:39:31.680 --> 1:39:34.479 a sudden, I'd be like tattooing new friends on my thigh. 1:39:34.640 --> 1:39:38.280 And especially, would you ever get that b L tattoo 1:39:38.360 --> 1:39:43.400 on you? You ain't in the gang anyway, He's so 1:39:44.720 --> 1:39:49.000 your your arm is almost sleeved, but the designs you've 1:39:49.120 --> 1:39:53.360 chosen have left a gap of a certain size, right, 1:39:53.840 --> 1:39:57.439 so it's not filled in at that point? Could we 1:39:57.560 --> 1:40:01.519 do like a meat eater office type fun thing where 1:40:01.600 --> 1:40:06.000 everybody puts in a legit drawing like into a bowl. Right, 1:40:06.400 --> 1:40:10.160 that fits those dimensions, and then you just randomly pick 1:40:10.200 --> 1:40:14.439 a designer. That would be fun fun. Do we get 1:40:14.479 --> 1:40:16.200 out of that? I feel like the better move is 1:40:16.320 --> 1:40:19.560 like having Steve get a tattoo. I'm very close to 1:40:19.600 --> 1:40:24.280 want a tattoo. Really. My wife's like, you missed that boat, don't. 1:40:25.640 --> 1:40:27.320 She's like, it's just too late. This this could be 1:40:27.560 --> 1:40:31.920 a money raising situation. If something I want to get 1:40:32.280 --> 1:40:36.240 a map of the country with a Turkey footprint everywhere. 1:40:36.280 --> 1:40:41.000 I've gotten my my Royal Slam. This next winner, I'm 1:40:41.040 --> 1:40:43.800 gonna go get oscillated or try and then I'll be 1:40:43.840 --> 1:40:46.080 a world Slam holder, and then I'm gonna have tattooed 1:40:46.240 --> 1:40:54.360 Central America on there as stupidest idea, she's on tattooed, 1:40:55.080 --> 1:40:57.400 she's not tattooed. That sounds like a really cool poster 1:40:58.800 --> 1:41:01.120 in the office. Or so it's the tattoo idea you 1:41:01.160 --> 1:41:02.960 have a problem with, not the act of him getting 1:41:02.960 --> 1:41:07.160 a tattoo. No, for me, I guess I can't help 1:41:07.200 --> 1:41:09.599 it be selfish about it. Like I just always felt like, man, 1:41:09.840 --> 1:41:11.479 like six months, I'm gonna not gonna want to look 1:41:11.479 --> 1:41:13.559 at this anymore, or like it's gonna piss me off, 1:41:13.680 --> 1:41:15.639 or like, you know, there was a lot of things 1:41:15.680 --> 1:41:18.519 I really wanted to tattoo unto myself over the years, 1:41:18.600 --> 1:41:20.840 and like I'm just really glad I didn't. There was 1:41:21.560 --> 1:41:23.639 a guy that there was a when I was in college. 1:41:23.640 --> 1:41:25.599 There was a professor I remember over hearing him say 1:41:25.680 --> 1:41:27.960 to somebody, nothing looks better than a new tattoo, and 1:41:28.040 --> 1:41:31.639 nothing looks worse than the old woman. My wife has 1:41:31.760 --> 1:41:34.360 I think seven or eight tattoos. She is eight. Yeah. 1:41:34.600 --> 1:41:37.320 I asked her to rank them recently, and the order 1:41:37.439 --> 1:41:39.840 goes from her most recent to her oldest. So there's 1:41:39.880 --> 1:41:41.680 there's some of that. I played for sure. She had 1:41:41.760 --> 1:41:44.479 one on her on her ass neck, like her lower back. 1:41:45.360 --> 1:41:59.240 Her as kind of heard that one before. Brad, you know, 1:41:59.680 --> 1:42:01.599 you like to eat a lot of stuff, and you're 1:42:01.760 --> 1:42:03.680 big in to the food world. But I notice you're 1:42:03.680 --> 1:42:06.080 not yesterday I noticed fishing or two days ago. When 1:42:06.120 --> 1:42:08.559 you're fishing, you're not sticky. You don't have a stick 1:42:08.760 --> 1:42:11.840 because someone proposed you. You know, you can eat a 1:42:11.880 --> 1:42:15.400 salmon fly. I'm not big. You didn't know. You didn't 1:42:15.400 --> 1:42:18.040 feel like you gotta be the guy who eats crazy stuff. 1:42:18.240 --> 1:42:20.080 Oh no, shut it right down. And I have no 1:42:20.320 --> 1:42:22.560 problem saying, like being comfortable. Why would I eat a 1:42:22.600 --> 1:42:24.720 salmon fly? Yeah, that's a terrible idea. You know, if 1:42:24.760 --> 1:42:26.360 we were if we were lost in the in the 1:42:26.479 --> 1:42:29.360 Montana Mountains and like things were getting real sketchy and 1:42:29.520 --> 1:42:33.280 Brad's getting real hungry, I'm gorgeous. I'm I'm gonna my 1:42:33.400 --> 1:42:36.519 stomach would look like those whitefish we cleaned. But but 1:42:36.760 --> 1:42:40.479 you know, just for fun, just for novelty, so you 1:42:40.520 --> 1:42:43.519 don't feel compelled. Um, someone would be like, look at this, 1:42:43.640 --> 1:42:45.960 this thing is so old it's rotten. You'd be like, oh, 1:42:46.080 --> 1:42:49.479 you know that's crazy stuff. No, that was never my thing. 1:42:51.280 --> 1:42:52.840 How did you carve it? Like? What is your thing? 1:42:53.080 --> 1:42:54.519 How do you? How did you carve your own path? 1:42:54.920 --> 1:42:56.360 You know, it's been a hell of a ride, Steve. 1:42:56.439 --> 1:42:58.240 You know, it's like I didn't get into the food 1:42:59.160 --> 1:43:01.920 business kind of in this scope, as as far as 1:43:02.000 --> 1:43:05.400 like other than just like Delhi's or small restaurants growing 1:43:05.479 --> 1:43:07.719 up and stuff like that until I was about twenty 1:43:07.720 --> 1:43:10.439 seven or eight, um, when I jumped from me and 1:43:10.479 --> 1:43:13.759 a carpenter and a union glazer and just and overall 1:43:13.880 --> 1:43:15.640 just I've had a lot of different jobs, mostly in 1:43:15.720 --> 1:43:18.920 construction and stuff like that. Until I was twenty seven. 1:43:19.000 --> 1:43:21.000 I was living with these dudes out in this farmhouse 1:43:21.479 --> 1:43:23.719 in northern New Jersey close to to Delaware Water Gap 1:43:24.080 --> 1:43:26.559 and just absolutely beautiful. But just didn't want to end up. 1:43:26.800 --> 1:43:28.680 I didn't want to go down that road. You know. 1:43:28.800 --> 1:43:32.240 I saw a lot of like it was very easy, man, 1:43:32.400 --> 1:43:34.040 Like another year I would have had a kid, I 1:43:34.080 --> 1:43:36.200 would have bought some stupid house and like I would 1:43:36.200 --> 1:43:38.360 be commuting an hour each way to the driveway. You know, 1:43:39.240 --> 1:43:41.479 it's a very common story, and it's a fine story, 1:43:41.600 --> 1:43:44.639 but like this sounds sounds corny or whatever you want 1:43:44.640 --> 1:43:47.120 to label it. But I always felt like I always 1:43:47.120 --> 1:43:48.599 felt like I wanted to do something a little bigger, 1:43:48.600 --> 1:43:50.360 a little more. I always felt like there was something 1:43:50.520 --> 1:43:52.400 you know, I don't know. I just wasn't gonna do that. 1:43:52.720 --> 1:43:54.640 And like not to belittle that, because you go to 1:43:54.720 --> 1:43:57.360 college and everything. No, I went well, I went for 1:43:57.600 --> 1:44:03.240 um uh some esters, three semesters um to become a cop, 1:44:03.680 --> 1:44:05.559 and then I was just like, yeah, this ain't gonna 1:44:05.560 --> 1:44:07.840 work out. I had a hard time in school, you know, 1:44:08.040 --> 1:44:11.360 very very interested in things, but just struggled with sitting 1:44:11.400 --> 1:44:14.720 there and just like the dumb repetition of just like 1:44:15.560 --> 1:44:17.519 I don't know, I just always bouncing off the walls, 1:44:17.520 --> 1:44:20.120 always was looking outside, couldn't wait to the bell, wrong 1:44:20.280 --> 1:44:23.400 kind of thing. Um. But like when I liked something, 1:44:23.840 --> 1:44:25.960 you know, got into it. But I just had a 1:44:26.000 --> 1:44:29.000 trouble with with organized school and just just a whole 1:44:29.120 --> 1:44:32.439 like schooling factory that this country became where it was 1:44:32.520 --> 1:44:34.360 just like all right, you're out of high school, Like 1:44:34.360 --> 1:44:36.320 it's been crazy. You don't even know who you are. 1:44:36.600 --> 1:44:37.960 You gotta go to college. What do you want to be? 1:44:38.040 --> 1:44:38.880 What do you want to be for the rest of 1:44:38.920 --> 1:44:41.320 your life? And it's just like do you know, you know, 1:44:41.479 --> 1:44:44.880 like whoever? I don't know, so like it just became this, 1:44:45.120 --> 1:44:47.760 you know man. Yes, So I got into just doing construction, 1:44:47.920 --> 1:44:50.400 you know, parents kind of probably being disappointed and you 1:44:50.479 --> 1:44:53.479 know some pit in their stomach, like a really worried 1:44:53.600 --> 1:44:56.479 you know, like kind of just hanging out with you know, 1:44:56.560 --> 1:44:58.799 good kids, but a lot of losers, a drug addicts 1:44:58.800 --> 1:45:01.920 and stuff like that. And um, you know, always gardening 1:45:02.000 --> 1:45:07.439 and always cooking on the side, and then some uh 1:45:08.080 --> 1:45:09.880 you know, like you know, I dabbled with the best 1:45:09.960 --> 1:45:12.200 of them, but like never always wanted to do something else, 1:45:12.280 --> 1:45:15.120 you know, and then always gardening and cooking no matter 1:45:15.200 --> 1:45:16.800 where I lived, you know, whether it was on some 1:45:16.920 --> 1:45:19.640 little weird rooftop or when we had that farmhouse. I 1:45:19.720 --> 1:45:23.320 turned this guy's old dog dog kennel into a beautiful garden, 1:45:23.439 --> 1:45:26.200 you know, always growing the vegetables and it was exposed 1:45:26.280 --> 1:45:28.000 to the hunting and fish. And so I always had 1:45:28.080 --> 1:45:29.960 that like kind of in me, but then got out 1:45:30.000 --> 1:45:33.480 of it for a while, living in this farmhouse doing construction, 1:45:33.640 --> 1:45:36.519 and then took a loan out, uh, and just found 1:45:36.560 --> 1:45:39.919 an apartment on Craigslist in Brooklyn, what about seven roommates 1:45:40.320 --> 1:45:42.000 and I was I rented, I had this room. It 1:45:42.080 --> 1:45:45.800 was seven took out rent apartment, well, and go to 1:45:45.840 --> 1:45:47.800 culinary school. So I left that out. So there was 1:45:47.800 --> 1:45:50.920 a little culinary school program, a little six month program 1:45:51.000 --> 1:45:54.479 in Manhattan, and so I got an apartment and my girlfriend, 1:45:54.600 --> 1:45:56.800 who you know, my wife now she was she was 1:45:56.880 --> 1:45:58.479 living in the city and I had a really cool 1:45:58.600 --> 1:46:00.640 job and had her own apartment and stuff along. You 1:46:00.640 --> 1:46:05.240 guys been together about nine years. Life said well, yeah, 1:46:07.040 --> 1:46:12.280 we haven't had the wedding yet. You know, we're engaged, 1:46:12.360 --> 1:46:14.280 we've got kids. I've we've been engaged for how many 1:46:14.360 --> 1:46:19.880 years A bunch could probably five, but that's okay, you know. 1:46:20.680 --> 1:46:23.720 Uh yeah, So we went to culinary school, took a loan, now, 1:46:23.880 --> 1:46:25.880 got at that apartment, and rented a room in this 1:46:26.000 --> 1:46:28.160 house with a bunch of strangers, you know, very New York, 1:46:28.280 --> 1:46:31.040 very whatever. And everyone end up being friends and you know, 1:46:31.200 --> 1:46:33.280 still being friends with a bunch of the folks. But 1:46:33.360 --> 1:46:35.240 it was like, how long was the culinary school like 1:46:35.400 --> 1:46:38.000 seven six months, quick Turn and burn. I'm not gonna 1:46:38.120 --> 1:46:40.559 name names, but I didn't really learn but the goals 1:46:40.600 --> 1:46:43.080 they're gonna place you in a restaurant, you know what 1:46:43.200 --> 1:46:45.280 it was. I mean, like it's like most culinary Like 1:46:45.400 --> 1:46:47.920 it's just like colleges. It was like you know, TV, 1:46:48.640 --> 1:46:50.760 Food Network and all these things, and everyone thought they 1:46:50.800 --> 1:46:53.040 wanted to go be a chef, but like working in 1:46:53.120 --> 1:46:55.599 a restaurant, man, is nothing like that. I mean, it's 1:46:55.720 --> 1:46:58.320 and it's hard work. It's nights and weekends, it's low pay, 1:46:58.439 --> 1:47:00.880 it's it's you're getting yelled at, are usually in the 1:47:00.960 --> 1:47:03.720 weeds all night cooking, and it's just it's never really 1:47:03.800 --> 1:47:06.320 been my way of cooking, even though I really enjoy food. 1:47:06.640 --> 1:47:08.360 So I took I went to this culinary school to 1:47:08.479 --> 1:47:11.000 kind of get into the food space and the food 1:47:11.080 --> 1:47:13.240 world outside of restaurant because it is like such a 1:47:13.320 --> 1:47:15.519 big I was kind of naive and like I was like, oh, 1:47:15.560 --> 1:47:17.639 you know, maybe I'll just like work for some company 1:47:17.720 --> 1:47:20.040 developing flavors. And I'm like, no, Brad, you need their 1:47:20.080 --> 1:47:22.400 like food scientists and ship like they do, like you know, 1:47:22.520 --> 1:47:24.280 people that are doctor like you to come up with 1:47:24.400 --> 1:47:27.519 like cool ranch. Yeah, I know, you know, but like 1:47:27.680 --> 1:47:30.559 it that kind of just those risk and ambition, kind 1:47:30.560 --> 1:47:33.519 of blind ambition made me take those chances, and you 1:47:33.560 --> 1:47:35.160 know it was it's crazy. I don't know how, and 1:47:35.240 --> 1:47:37.599 I don't really stop to think on why. But it's 1:47:37.600 --> 1:47:41.479 just like I did an internship. You had to and 1:47:41.520 --> 1:47:43.920 it was at a restaurant or you know, a media 1:47:43.960 --> 1:47:46.479 place if you could. And for so I just applied 1:47:46.520 --> 1:47:49.680 to uh, Bone Appetite magazine and I was like, just 1:47:49.800 --> 1:47:52.000 you know that's how you wand up there, yeah and 1:47:52.280 --> 1:47:56.640 uh the intern well yeah and again and then over 1:47:56.720 --> 1:47:59.080 here and then yeah. So I mean they back when 1:47:59.120 --> 1:48:02.640 they did internship and so it was you know, they 1:48:02.680 --> 1:48:04.360 had a bunch of people before me and I came in. 1:48:04.439 --> 1:48:07.120 I was just like lunatic, you know, who's been roofing 1:48:07.200 --> 1:48:09.360 houses before this, And like I was just like I 1:48:09.479 --> 1:48:10.840 was like this is great, Like oh my god, I 1:48:10.880 --> 1:48:17.160 want to do this. At age were the oldest intern yeah, 1:48:20.240 --> 1:48:22.120 you know, like borderline, but I didn't care, just like 1:48:22.200 --> 1:48:25.640 get me. And people were like nineteen you know like 1:48:25.800 --> 1:48:29.000 intern stuff, you know, or twenty whatever people are going 1:48:29.040 --> 1:48:31.240 to get out of college, like just the arm rassle 1:48:31.320 --> 1:48:33.280 them all and stuff like that. I had, Like I 1:48:33.360 --> 1:48:35.519 had a crazy hair cut, like shaved the sides and 1:48:35.600 --> 1:48:37.439 my hair was like down in my back and ship. 1:48:37.680 --> 1:48:40.719 I looked like a maniac. But it was a blast. 1:48:40.840 --> 1:48:43.200 And like I liked working, I liked food, and I 1:48:43.320 --> 1:48:45.600 was curious, you know, I like to They were like you, 1:48:45.800 --> 1:48:47.360 I was basically a gopher, you know. I did all 1:48:47.400 --> 1:48:49.560 the shopping and dishes. But it was New York. I 1:48:49.640 --> 1:48:51.559 got to go around, go to a different markets meat, 1:48:51.600 --> 1:48:54.280 I'm learning all these different cuisines and you know, and 1:48:54.400 --> 1:48:57.120 keyword just learning. And then you know, when my my 1:48:57.240 --> 1:48:59.560 stint as an intern was up, I never forget this. 1:48:59.640 --> 1:49:03.040 I heard boss at the time and some other some 1:49:03.160 --> 1:49:05.120 other Bob and they were like, we need to hire 1:49:05.240 --> 1:49:08.880 someone for brad Spot. And I'm just like, should we 1:49:08.960 --> 1:49:11.320 get some like young kid who's just like really fired up, 1:49:11.400 --> 1:49:13.719 or like someone who's like a little more like seasoned 1:49:13.760 --> 1:49:16.559 and experienced in like media that we could in writing 1:49:16.640 --> 1:49:18.639 and stuff that we could hire. And I was like, guys, 1:49:18.800 --> 1:49:20.840 hire me and you can pay me whatever, just get 1:49:20.880 --> 1:49:23.080 me a foot in. And that's what happened. And then 1:49:23.160 --> 1:49:25.640 I just, uh, you know, I just between my personality 1:49:25.720 --> 1:49:27.720 and work ethic and you know, at that time, there 1:49:27.800 --> 1:49:31.040 was no video. I was hired as a test kitchen assistant, 1:49:31.080 --> 1:49:34.800 which was really just a glorified dishwasher for I think 1:49:34.840 --> 1:49:37.240 it was like thirty five dollars is what I started 1:49:37.280 --> 1:49:39.559 at in New York. So I was working at night 1:49:39.600 --> 1:49:43.120 at restaurants and stuff, and eventually, like food I started 1:49:43.439 --> 1:49:45.400 it was test kitchen assistant, and then it became test 1:49:45.479 --> 1:49:48.320 kitchen manager kind of like running the whole uh you know, 1:49:48.479 --> 1:49:51.919 like all the sourcing, all the budget, doing recipe development 1:49:52.040 --> 1:49:53.800 and testing and stuff like that. And it was great, 1:49:53.880 --> 1:49:55.880 you know, and and then you know, this is about 1:49:55.960 --> 1:49:59.519 sixty years ago, and then uh, and then there was 1:49:59.680 --> 1:50:02.560 no video platform like at all. Really there was a 1:50:02.640 --> 1:50:05.840 little bit of like overhead, hands and pants twenty seconds. 1:50:05.880 --> 1:50:08.040 No one's watching anything long, you know, and like all 1:50:08.120 --> 1:50:10.720 right whatever, and we were always, you know, we being 1:50:10.760 --> 1:50:12.479 bone appetite. I feel like they were always just trying 1:50:12.520 --> 1:50:14.240 to do catch up to like what everyone else was 1:50:14.320 --> 1:50:17.639 already doing, Like what's buzzfeeds doing this formula. It's kind 1:50:17.680 --> 1:50:20.360 of just ride on that and sure it worked, and 1:50:20.840 --> 1:50:23.160 eventually they started like we were all about chasing these 1:50:23.200 --> 1:50:25.360 Facebook numbers. It was all about Facebook. They had this 1:50:25.600 --> 1:50:27.439 new platform. I forget what it was, but they were 1:50:27.479 --> 1:50:30.040 trying to do like this video thing and that's all 1:50:30.080 --> 1:50:31.599 we were doing. We were getting like a hundred thousand 1:50:32.040 --> 1:50:34.519 views on Facebook and it was like man, it was 1:50:34.600 --> 1:50:36.439 like awesome, like they were gonna fire me and now 1:50:36.560 --> 1:50:39.479 like we're doing this and uh and then YouTube started 1:50:39.479 --> 1:50:41.439 to happen, and you know, and they started doing a 1:50:41.520 --> 1:50:45.200 little bit longer format kind of stuff like they wanted 1:50:45.240 --> 1:50:49.200 to get in the more like personality driven kind of videos. 1:50:49.560 --> 1:50:52.040 And they sent us to a few folks that were 1:50:52.080 --> 1:50:54.160 working in the test kitchen at the time, to this 1:50:54.320 --> 1:50:56.479 lady on the Upper West Side who like she was 1:50:56.479 --> 1:50:59.120 a little older, just like very like from a movie, 1:50:59.360 --> 1:51:01.680 just like I feel like she was like, uh, she 1:51:01.760 --> 1:51:03.560 must have been like sixty or something, and like she 1:51:03.720 --> 1:51:05.800 was like she was like training us to be like 1:51:06.000 --> 1:51:07.960 news anchors, you know what I mean, like this like 1:51:08.280 --> 1:51:11.120 presence and like the way and what were you Dave. Yeah, 1:51:11.280 --> 1:51:13.720 she was just like very like l a New York 1:51:13.800 --> 1:51:15.880 Like she was like she was a nut, right, And 1:51:16.560 --> 1:51:18.120 we got back to that and they did like these 1:51:18.200 --> 1:51:20.400 mock up videos and I remember the creation. They were 1:51:20.439 --> 1:51:22.879 training you to be a media personality. Yeah, yeah, exactly, 1:51:22.960 --> 1:51:26.600 media training. It was just out of curiosity. What was 1:51:26.640 --> 1:51:28.720 the biggest piece of advice they had? Oh, I don't 1:51:28.720 --> 1:51:31.400 even remember a word, she said, Yeah, like I have 1:51:31.520 --> 1:51:33.360 smiled with her eyes or some ship. I don't know, 1:51:33.520 --> 1:51:35.000 you know and can tell you. I could you know 1:51:35.080 --> 1:51:37.400 if I tell you an interesting story, please do Mine's 1:51:37.439 --> 1:51:41.759 not I met my wife fast. I'm just trying to dovetail. 1:51:41.760 --> 1:51:44.360 I'm trying to dovetail. I'm joking, trying to dovetail onto it. 1:51:45.320 --> 1:51:47.800 I met my wife. You work, all right? Not wrong 1:51:47.840 --> 1:51:50.439 with that? So no, no, But when I sold my 1:51:50.479 --> 1:51:52.920 first book, I saw my first book to mirror Max 1:51:54.040 --> 1:51:56.640 and she worked for UM. She used to work for 1:51:57.720 --> 1:52:00.599 Bob and Harvey Weinstein. They made news a little bit, 1:52:01.160 --> 1:52:04.880 Harvey has uh and they bought my first book long 1:52:04.960 --> 1:52:10.200 before any scandals. He r UM and I went there too, 1:52:10.520 --> 1:52:14.959 and I went to meet the team there publication Mirrormax, 1:52:15.240 --> 1:52:18.800 where she worked, and it was the first time. That's 1:52:18.800 --> 1:52:21.280 how we met. Okay, those are you in a business meeting? 1:52:21.680 --> 1:52:27.719 Met a business meet and she later said, because people 1:52:27.760 --> 1:52:32.439 were talking about pitching me for TV segments, A right. 1:52:32.920 --> 1:52:36.360 She left the meeting and said to people way too 1:52:36.439 --> 1:52:40.120 rough around the edge is no way Yep, that's it. 1:52:40.200 --> 1:52:42.200 And that was kind of me, you know, just like 1:52:43.240 --> 1:52:45.720 super you know, like raw, not like this is it. 1:52:45.800 --> 1:52:48.679 It's got one gear and it's Brad and like I'm 1:52:48.680 --> 1:52:50.920 gonna put it in the brand. That's amazing. That's how 1:52:50.960 --> 1:52:52.960 you met your wife. So I had that turned into 1:52:53.040 --> 1:52:56.360 like a date. Oh we knew each other for quite 1:52:56.360 --> 1:52:59.360 a while. Yeah, and then I went to a different publisher. 1:53:00.000 --> 1:53:02.320 I went to random house and I emailed her to 1:53:02.320 --> 1:53:04.000 ask her if I could ask her out a good 1:53:04.040 --> 1:53:10.040 move or if it would be like untoward and it 1:53:10.120 --> 1:53:14.240 worked out happily married for more longer than most. Oh yeah, 1:53:14.240 --> 1:53:16.920 we've been married a long time. That's amazing man. And 1:53:17.240 --> 1:53:19.320 uh yeah, So I mean that's kind of like what 1:53:19.439 --> 1:53:21.040 the media training that's where it was left. It was 1:53:21.080 --> 1:53:24.080 like I remember the creative director at the time, he 1:53:24.280 --> 1:53:25.880 was just like I don't know what that is, but 1:53:26.000 --> 1:53:28.000 like it's not brad, just like that sucks. So they 1:53:28.040 --> 1:53:30.400 tell you like be more. I didn't really tell me 1:53:30.520 --> 1:53:32.879 to have any advice, so that kind of like stopped, 1:53:33.280 --> 1:53:36.200 and then, um, that's gotta be a is that profession 1:53:36.280 --> 1:53:40.000 still around? Media training oh god, probably, I'm sure someone's 1:53:40.000 --> 1:53:42.479 scamming someone. But I mean that I shouldn't be little 1:53:42.520 --> 1:53:44.840 that because that's just some goofy news show where they 1:53:44.880 --> 1:53:46.400 send someone out to do a piece about how there's 1:53:46.439 --> 1:53:49.200 a hurricane happening somewhere someone's teaching and they got their 1:53:49.240 --> 1:53:51.360 hands like in that way and they do their gestures 1:53:51.400 --> 1:53:54.000 and it's very controlled, like because because they know that 1:53:54.120 --> 1:53:57.519 it's head and shoulder shot, so how can I hand 1:53:57.600 --> 1:54:00.120 gesture to keep it in frame right? Right? Stuff like 1:54:01.120 --> 1:54:03.439 like over to you Dave, like they got like someone 1:54:03.560 --> 1:54:06.120 taught them all that, oh big time, And like, I'm 1:54:06.160 --> 1:54:07.880 sure there is a lot of really good things like that. 1:54:08.000 --> 1:54:09.800 And I'm just kind of a nut. But like what 1:54:09.960 --> 1:54:11.720 we started the work for me was just like a 1:54:11.760 --> 1:54:13.840 creative director was like Brad's always in the test kitchen 1:54:14.080 --> 1:54:16.439 down there's always got some projects. He's for men and stuff. 1:54:16.880 --> 1:54:19.080 And they were, you know, and they were like there 1:54:19.160 --> 1:54:21.280 was this guy Vinnie who I said, we started the show. 1:54:21.360 --> 1:54:28.040 It I see he's coasting man a lot of my 1:54:28.080 --> 1:54:30.280 cousin Vinnie. Everything, dude, you sent me all right now 1:54:30.360 --> 1:54:32.080 to go bring a Vinnie back. He'd be going two 1:54:32.120 --> 1:54:36.160 weeks's are they still making Vinni's like, is that still 1:54:36.200 --> 1:54:40.040 like a baby name? Yeah, still making right, Yeah, yeah, 1:54:40.080 --> 1:54:43.840 Vincent Vincenzo. I call him all types of silly stuff. 1:54:44.120 --> 1:54:46.480 But yeah, so they were like just go follow him 1:54:46.480 --> 1:54:48.200 around with a camera and like that's what I loved. 1:54:48.240 --> 1:54:50.160 It was just me no sound guy know it was 1:54:51.720 --> 1:54:54.240 I guess you know, and like I learned about editing 1:54:54.720 --> 1:54:56.760 and uh and they just you know, they've just filmed 1:54:56.760 --> 1:54:58.720 it around and we put out this like twenty or 1:54:58.800 --> 1:55:01.800 fifteen minute video about kombucha and it's at on a 1:55:01.840 --> 1:55:03.640 hard drive for like a year. They're like this is 1:55:03.840 --> 1:55:05.839 this is horseship. We can't put this on the internet. 1:55:06.360 --> 1:55:08.800 You know, like this guy can't even speak English, it's 1:55:08.800 --> 1:55:12.080 his only language and he mumbles and you know, you 1:55:12.240 --> 1:55:15.480 dropped the kombucha on the floor and they were like, yeah, 1:55:15.600 --> 1:55:18.320 let's give it a shot, and like thank god because 1:55:18.360 --> 1:55:19.800 it kind of that's how it all started. And it 1:55:19.960 --> 1:55:22.520 just became like it worked. Not only did it work, 1:55:22.600 --> 1:55:25.640 it kind of like you know, reformatted how like they 1:55:25.760 --> 1:55:27.440 did video. Like all of a sudden, it was just 1:55:27.520 --> 1:55:30.480 like let people be people and then just became like 1:55:30.560 --> 1:55:32.360 each very and like for me, I always wanted to 1:55:32.400 --> 1:55:34.840 make it like listen, guys, I can't. I'm not an actor, 1:55:34.960 --> 1:55:36.640 Like I can do this. I can just do me 1:55:37.080 --> 1:55:40.880 and like it turns out that's like really valuable. Were 1:55:41.080 --> 1:55:45.720 in Memphis to discover the great barbecue world here in Memphis. Yeah, 1:55:45.720 --> 1:55:47.960 and then they're walking fast forward into the barbecue place. 1:55:48.080 --> 1:55:50.280 And then I guess like, well, yeah, what becomes like 1:55:50.360 --> 1:55:52.200 when you not to like toot my own horn? But 1:55:52.240 --> 1:55:53.880 if you have like people and I mean all you 1:55:53.920 --> 1:55:55.920 guys are saying like where you have some skill in 1:55:56.040 --> 1:55:58.240 a bunch of categories, but then you can also just 1:55:58.360 --> 1:56:00.480 be like good on camera. Like cam freaks a lot 1:56:00.520 --> 1:56:03.000 of people out. I'm sure you've seen it. Like the 1:56:03.080 --> 1:56:04.560 one that sticks out to me the most. We are 1:56:04.560 --> 1:56:07.240 shooting a video in Hawaii about pok and we went 1:56:07.280 --> 1:56:09.680 into this one supermarket that all the locals got like 1:56:09.760 --> 1:56:12.880 that's what was the spot? You know? And the lady 1:56:12.960 --> 1:56:15.920 she was amazing off camera. I mean she was, you know, 1:56:16.120 --> 1:56:18.520 chat and busting jokes. I think she was punching me. 1:56:18.880 --> 1:56:20.560 And then as soon as that red light turned on, man, 1:56:20.680 --> 1:56:24.880 she just clammed up. I don't get someone else, Yeah, 1:56:24.920 --> 1:56:27.160 I don't think when I when I point this out. 1:56:27.280 --> 1:56:30.760 It's not a comment on anyone because I don't think 1:56:31.040 --> 1:56:33.760 more of people who can be on camera. I don't 1:56:33.800 --> 1:56:35.840 think less of people who can't be on camera. Like, 1:56:35.920 --> 1:56:38.160 I don't view it as a I don't view it 1:56:38.440 --> 1:56:41.280 as an admirable No, you're a psycho. If you're good 1:56:41.320 --> 1:56:43.760 on cameras well, I don't. I don't. I don't view 1:56:43.800 --> 1:56:47.600 it as an admirable admirable quality. And I don't view 1:56:47.720 --> 1:56:50.040 not wanting to do it as a negat It's just 1:56:50.120 --> 1:56:53.520 like to me, it's like it's like whether you like uh, 1:56:54.400 --> 1:56:57.080 be the same to me, like whether you like bananas, 1:56:57.160 --> 1:56:58.960 Like I don't give a ship like bananas or not. 1:56:59.360 --> 1:57:01.480 I'm not gonna hang out you more or less or whatever, 1:57:01.720 --> 1:57:05.520 depending if things. I'm banana sure. But I found that, Um, 1:57:06.360 --> 1:57:11.080 there's people that there the other personality in normal life 1:57:11.400 --> 1:57:14.040 and you put a camera on them, it goes away, 1:57:15.640 --> 1:57:19.960 which is not good on camera, or another one shows up, 1:57:20.920 --> 1:57:24.280 came so there's a different personality shows up and that's 1:57:24.280 --> 1:57:28.800 no good. I don't think It's like it's the people 1:57:28.840 --> 1:57:33.160 that you do it and nothing happened. They didn't A 1:57:33.280 --> 1:57:36.320 new one didn't show up, The normal one didn't go away, 1:57:37.480 --> 1:57:41.240 but somehow they just continue right on and like and 1:57:41.440 --> 1:57:44.000 there I could teach people that, And like for acting, 1:57:44.120 --> 1:57:46.880 you know, like Daniel day Lewis or whatever his name is, Like, yeah, 1:57:46.920 --> 1:57:48.640 I'm not doing that kind of stuff, but like for 1:57:48.760 --> 1:57:51.000 what we're doing, I feel like you really need that 1:57:51.120 --> 1:57:54.320 like authenticity when it's more like journalism in a sense, 1:57:54.440 --> 1:57:57.080 or like documentary style kind of storytelling. You know. One 1:57:57.120 --> 1:57:58.960 thing I like about I mean what you were talking 1:57:58.960 --> 1:58:00.600 about kind of set the template or what's been going 1:58:00.640 --> 1:58:02.520 on with food shows on the internet for a while now, 1:58:02.840 --> 1:58:05.600 which is not only to not shave off the rough edges, 1:58:05.640 --> 1:58:08.200 but accentuate them, like what's charming about this person? What's 1:58:08.200 --> 1:58:10.720 imperfect about them? I love how like your show or 1:58:10.760 --> 1:58:13.600 Maddie Matheson, you call attention to the fact when you 1:58:13.800 --> 1:58:17.080 screw up or you stutter or you pronounced something in 1:58:17.200 --> 1:58:19.560 like an odd way, and it's it's charming and it's 1:58:19.600 --> 1:58:22.000 fun to watch. And yeah, it's that human element, right, 1:58:22.040 --> 1:58:24.080 And then I think that's what's missing in in or 1:58:24.160 --> 1:58:26.080 has been missing for a long time in food, you know, 1:58:26.240 --> 1:58:28.240 or and and even like I guess you can even 1:58:28.280 --> 1:58:30.520 tie that into like food and hunting and fishing. You know, 1:58:30.600 --> 1:58:34.400 it was always just like very like stereotyped image and 1:58:34.480 --> 1:58:35.680 like to be able to just kind of you know, 1:58:35.760 --> 1:58:37.680 everyone and all types of people are into it. You know, 1:58:39.040 --> 1:58:43.960 I'm buying it. Yeah? All right? Good? Uh so talk 1:58:44.040 --> 1:58:47.480 about it's alive? Like what tell people about the show. Yeah? So, 1:58:47.560 --> 1:58:49.720 I mean it started with just in the kitchen fermentation, 1:58:50.200 --> 1:58:52.320 you know, in the test kitchen back when we shot 1:58:52.400 --> 1:58:55.960 video there and and you know, and it which is 1:58:56.080 --> 1:58:57.680 you know, the things that I was into, sour kraud, 1:58:57.720 --> 1:58:59.760 that's where. But what I mean is someone had to 1:59:00.000 --> 1:59:02.600 one point time, at some point they said, Okay, now 1:59:02.680 --> 1:59:04.920 you be the person. What do you mean, Like, it's 1:59:04.960 --> 1:59:10.320 not Vinny, it's you. It was always me there was. 1:59:10.400 --> 1:59:12.360 It was always just me talking to the camera. You 1:59:12.480 --> 1:59:13.680 know what I'm saying. Like when you went out and 1:59:13.760 --> 1:59:15.600 made the thing about I thought you were saying you 1:59:15.960 --> 1:59:19.160 with a camera followed Vinny to drink kombucha. No, Vinny 1:59:19.200 --> 1:59:23.240 followed me, Vinny was the camera? Did you understand that? 1:59:23.800 --> 1:59:26.840 Because I'm very confused. No, I got that, but I 1:59:26.880 --> 1:59:29.880 also read did you understand that? Yeah? Yeah, these guys, 1:59:29.920 --> 1:59:32.720 did you really expect you wanna said that? Everyone? How 1:59:32.800 --> 1:59:35.960 come one I said, you know how to use a camera? No, 1:59:36.080 --> 1:59:40.120 one said, that's not what he said. I didn't hear 1:59:40.160 --> 1:59:43.240 that because I actually I made a mental note to 1:59:43.360 --> 1:59:50.760 take that out. Got in that fragile you can't because 1:59:50.800 --> 1:59:53.440 I didn't need to, because it would be an easier 1:59:53.600 --> 1:59:56.880 thing to just let like you you finished your sense 1:59:57.640 --> 1:59:59.560 and then I'm like, I'm cutting this out and then 1:59:59.600 --> 2:00:01.440 we're going include But were you worried about Hawr I 2:00:01.440 --> 2:00:04.200 didn't understand the story. No, no, because it was just 2:00:04.320 --> 2:00:07.680 like a two second mention. Then we moved on, man Chester, 2:00:07.800 --> 2:00:12.440 how would you rate? These are the ref edges we're 2:00:12.440 --> 2:00:15.080 going to keep in this podcast? What you want? Man? 2:00:15.360 --> 2:00:18.440 If I've cultivated an atmosphere that that that what I 2:00:19.760 --> 2:00:21.280 love it when people screw up, so I can point 2:00:21.280 --> 2:00:25.960 it out. Just thrive on that. Chester does that right. 2:00:26.400 --> 2:00:29.280 What this was is a result of people more interested 2:00:29.320 --> 2:00:32.680 in the story. So it wasn't going to be conducive. 2:00:35.320 --> 2:00:37.240 Why did you Yeah, you could have said, like what 2:00:37.360 --> 2:00:39.320 you just said was really stupid because it like this 2:00:39.400 --> 2:00:44.000 stuff will buff out. Okay, yeah, sorry man. In your defense, Steve, 2:00:44.120 --> 2:00:46.080 I don't know how I'm a video host. I'm very 2:00:46.160 --> 2:00:47.960 I know I'm not a very good talker. You know 2:00:48.000 --> 2:00:50.640 that at least should be able to track story. I 2:00:50.720 --> 2:00:55.560 struggle myself out of tend producing that. Karina. She's over 2:00:55.560 --> 2:00:57.600 there being like, I'll take that. Also, he doesn't look stupid. 2:00:58.360 --> 2:01:00.480 You're not going to interrupt bread and need to care 2:01:00.560 --> 2:01:02.800 and let me tell you, Okay, I thought you were 2:01:02.880 --> 2:01:05.520 filming Vinnie. So then I was like, well, how did 2:01:05.560 --> 2:01:07.920 it get to be the Vinnie's film? And you okay? 2:01:07.960 --> 2:01:10.600 I see what with the camera and that can also 2:01:10.680 --> 2:01:12.840 be like you're good with the camera, as in your 2:01:12.920 --> 2:01:16.040 good in front of you could have left it in 2:01:16.080 --> 2:01:19.760 and people might have three people would have thought that 2:01:19.840 --> 2:01:24.440 that maybe three is generous. But I'm really sorry, man, No, 2:01:24.600 --> 2:01:26.480 I don't be at all. I have zero now that 2:01:26.600 --> 2:01:28.960 that was the birth. Yeah, and it just kind of 2:01:29.000 --> 2:01:32.000 became and they getting started organically. It was great, Like 2:01:32.120 --> 2:01:34.600 on paper, I should not it shouldn't have worked, you know, 2:01:34.760 --> 2:01:37.040 like every one of the Bob's was like, no, this 2:01:37.280 --> 2:01:39.240 is fucking stupid part of my friend kids. I'm sorry, 2:01:39.320 --> 2:01:43.880 what's What's I get it? What is a bob? Because 2:01:43.880 --> 2:01:46.080 their name is not Bob. No, that's just what I 2:01:46.160 --> 2:01:48.680 call the boss hunter. I called the boss is bobs. 2:01:49.040 --> 2:01:50.800 I think some of my office space or something, right, 2:01:50.960 --> 2:01:53.400 the bobs. You know, so all the all the all 2:01:53.480 --> 2:01:56.240 the Bob's I just called the bobs. Keeps it, keeps 2:01:56.320 --> 2:01:58.760 them impersonal. I can make fun of him without making 2:01:58.800 --> 2:02:00.960 fun of him because you're not hurting friends feelings. Yeah, 2:02:01.000 --> 2:02:03.400 they can't fire me quite, you know. So then all 2:02:03.400 --> 2:02:05.880 of a sudden, like wow, this guy, this guy of 2:02:05.960 --> 2:02:08.080 all people. Yeah, so what's great is that it's just 2:02:08.160 --> 2:02:10.160 kind of for me anyway, and I guess for everyone 2:02:10.480 --> 2:02:12.080 is that it was just organic and it just kind 2:02:12.120 --> 2:02:14.400 of grew its own thing. It was never like a 2:02:14.840 --> 2:02:18.040 it wasn't developed, you know, like like Conde like whatever 2:02:18.120 --> 2:02:19.520 they got, like you know, a group of folks that 2:02:19.600 --> 2:02:22.000 come up with ideas and strategies and what we name 2:02:22.040 --> 2:02:25.000 it and what, you know, the formulas of shows, and 2:02:25.080 --> 2:02:28.160 this one was just like all right, well it's it's 2:02:28.360 --> 2:02:32.040 it's continuing to grow. Like let's just why try to 2:02:32.120 --> 2:02:34.960 fix it if it's like it was just happened organic, 2:02:35.000 --> 2:02:38.280 which was beautiful and like really unfortunate because it allowed 2:02:38.320 --> 2:02:41.120 me to get into things very untraditional to the magazine 2:02:41.120 --> 2:02:43.400 in brand, like I am definitely the first person to 2:02:43.480 --> 2:02:47.120 ever shoot kill clean and cook something for kind and 2:02:47.200 --> 2:02:49.360 asked like, because that was that was my next question, 2:02:49.720 --> 2:02:52.120 beat you And yeah, definitely had that. I mean I 2:02:52.240 --> 2:02:54.560 was the first video talent I think they ever hired. 2:02:54.920 --> 2:02:56.680 You know that was awkward. Did you have to go 2:02:56.760 --> 2:02:59.720 in one day and be like, so listen, oh yeah, 2:03:00.120 --> 2:03:03.360 this thing well, I mean they know it was Yeah, 2:03:03.400 --> 2:03:05.440 I mean it was. Yeah. Fishing is like the easy one. 2:03:05.480 --> 2:03:07.200 Like we went and shot some birds, you know, and 2:03:07.280 --> 2:03:10.160 like and did that turned into a big old conversation. No, 2:03:10.320 --> 2:03:11.720 And I was like, listen, guys, let's just take a 2:03:11.800 --> 2:03:14.480 risk and trust me, like outside of this Manhattan bubble. 2:03:14.560 --> 2:03:16.400 It's a big thing and we all know someone who 2:03:16.440 --> 2:03:20.760 does do it. And you know what, it took a 2:03:20.880 --> 2:03:23.360 room full of lawyers and I'm sure every some of 2:03:23.400 --> 2:03:26.160 the bobs were like this is terrible, but like, you know, 2:03:26.280 --> 2:03:27.960 we ended up they let me do it, and it 2:03:28.080 --> 2:03:29.800 was almost like it's all about how we package it. 2:03:29.880 --> 2:03:32.760 And like the way I said it was like, listen, 2:03:32.800 --> 2:03:35.760 if this bothers you and you and maybe you shouldn't 2:03:35.760 --> 2:03:37.240 eat me, you know, but if you do eat me 2:03:37.320 --> 2:03:39.920 and it bothers you, like that's a problem because like 2:03:40.040 --> 2:03:42.880 this it doesn't happen any better cleaner, you know, when 2:03:42.920 --> 2:03:45.280 you go and buy your pork chop with no face 2:03:45.400 --> 2:03:47.320 in a plastic wrap pat you know, and like, and 2:03:47.440 --> 2:03:50.040 that's fine. I'm okay that you do, you know, and like, 2:03:50.600 --> 2:03:52.760 but like realize, like me doing it and cleaning it 2:03:52.760 --> 2:03:55.120 and showing the process, if that bothers you that much, 2:03:55.200 --> 2:03:57.600 then again you shouldn't probably eat me, you know, like 2:03:57.880 --> 2:04:01.480 why like you gotta be okay with the dirty work, 2:04:01.920 --> 2:04:03.960 you know. And at the end of the day, you know, 2:04:04.280 --> 2:04:06.480 and we've got a great response from you know, the 2:04:06.720 --> 2:04:10.280 vegan and vegetarian uh fans, And it was all about 2:04:10.320 --> 2:04:13.320 like listen, no one wants, no one except for the 2:04:13.800 --> 2:04:17.160 bob's making the money off. And no one wants factory farms. 2:04:17.240 --> 2:04:20.720 No one wants you know, poorly treated and farmed animals 2:04:20.760 --> 2:04:22.320 and slaughtered and you go dry by some of them 2:04:22.360 --> 2:04:25.240 big feed lots. It's disgusting, Like that's not food anymore, 2:04:25.320 --> 2:04:27.880 you know. That's just the industrialization of the food chain 2:04:28.040 --> 2:04:30.040 is where it all kind of started, the crumble, And 2:04:30.120 --> 2:04:33.240 that's where you know, I honestly don't recall getting any 2:04:33.320 --> 2:04:36.240 negative Like there was a couple like stupid make people 2:04:36.400 --> 2:04:40.360 just like trolling, But like nine percent of the stuff 2:04:40.400 --> 2:04:44.520 that I've done, it's just been super positive. And it's 2:04:44.560 --> 2:04:46.360 just the packaging, you know, it's just value word it. 2:04:47.160 --> 2:04:48.600 And we could have feel I want to get a 2:04:48.640 --> 2:04:53.000 good feed lot person on, yeah, I would interest level up. Yeah, 2:04:53.720 --> 2:04:56.160 people like take cracks feed lots. But I mean, but 2:04:57.360 --> 2:04:59.120 and you know, I get it, but I feel like 2:04:59.160 --> 2:05:03.440 there's a systems come about in certain ways. Well man, 2:05:03.520 --> 2:05:05.920 this I've only done. We don't need to start debating 2:05:05.960 --> 2:05:07.800 feed lost. But I'd like to get a good feedbut person, yeah, 2:05:07.800 --> 2:05:09.480 and you should because I'm not. I had to have 2:05:09.640 --> 2:05:13.320 the reference that I gave you out of um yeah, 2:05:13.360 --> 2:05:15.800 I got I got you covered. Just you know what 2:05:16.040 --> 2:05:19.520 it's like. Well, I mean, I think it comes down 2:05:19.560 --> 2:05:22.160 to us. It's just a matter of me personally. I'm 2:05:22.200 --> 2:05:25.600 not into you know, cows just being you know they 2:05:25.720 --> 2:05:28.040 But from what I've been taught is that they are 2:05:28.120 --> 2:05:30.000 fed a bunch of grain and it's a super unhealthy 2:05:30.080 --> 2:05:31.800 for him and people don't like the looks of it. 2:05:32.000 --> 2:05:33.600 And it gets really no, I don't like the looks 2:05:33.640 --> 2:05:35.120 of it. And then I don't know is the is 2:05:35.160 --> 2:05:37.160 the cattle super healthy? I don't know. I would love 2:05:37.240 --> 2:05:38.920 to learn more about that. Yeah, well yeah, I mean, 2:05:39.040 --> 2:05:40.760 you know, if you're driving your kids down the road 2:05:41.080 --> 2:05:46.840 and they see any um anything around, like an industrialized 2:05:46.880 --> 2:05:53.400 meat production, they don't warm up. Hmm. They're they're assaulted 2:05:53.480 --> 2:05:58.280 with a real serious smell, which doesn't like set set 2:05:58.360 --> 2:06:01.640 their minds in a spot where they're I'm super interesting, 2:06:01.720 --> 2:06:04.760 what's happening out that? And the visual you know, the 2:06:05.480 --> 2:06:07.120 the optics of it, you know the ones that I've 2:06:07.160 --> 2:06:09.000 gone past. I think it was in Nebraska or something 2:06:09.000 --> 2:06:11.400 when I was little, was it was just like mountains 2:06:11.440 --> 2:06:17.200 of cow manure, thank you, and just mountains of just 2:06:18.200 --> 2:06:21.040 miserable looking animals on top of them, just certain waiting 2:06:21.120 --> 2:06:24.080 in line, and I guess go get just run through 2:06:24.120 --> 2:06:26.320 the you know the and I get it. You know, people, 2:06:26.440 --> 2:06:28.360 that's how they feed the world. And you know my 2:06:28.520 --> 2:06:34.800 parents growing up, were they buying Farmers Market amazing whatever meat? No, man, 2:06:34.920 --> 2:06:37.560 my mom was buying Tyson buy one, get one free, 2:06:37.720 --> 2:06:40.640 you know, manager special. You know that's what you're telling 2:06:41.000 --> 2:06:43.920 if she didn't have the orange sticker and like its 2:06:43.960 --> 2:06:46.320 gonna go bad in three days. Yeah. When I was 2:06:46.360 --> 2:06:48.320 just I was just home visit my mom and she 2:06:48.440 --> 2:06:51.120 wanted me to grill some chicken one night, and she 2:06:51.240 --> 2:06:57.840 pulls out just like never ending tray. To her credit, 2:06:57.920 --> 2:07:01.840 she's into drums. Yeah, those like thirty chickens drumsticks all 2:07:01.880 --> 2:07:04.280 lined up, you know. But it's just yeah, they're not 2:07:04.440 --> 2:07:07.160 coming off of you know, Uncle Bob's farm. That's why 2:07:07.200 --> 2:07:11.600 there's a shortage right now, the wingstop has like changed 2:07:11.680 --> 2:07:15.160 their whole marketing around. Now they're serving thighs because like 2:07:15.280 --> 2:07:17.440 everything else during COVID, there's a shortage of wings in 2:07:17.480 --> 2:07:21.400 the world. Oh, only two on a bird, right, you know, 2:07:21.800 --> 2:07:25.040 it's right, it's really that is hilarious, really appreciate it. 2:07:25.600 --> 2:07:29.960 In Wisconsin, a good example of the big feed lot 2:07:30.400 --> 2:07:33.240 cows like kind of a negative look is when I 2:07:33.320 --> 2:07:35.880 was growing up, there used to be a ton of small, 2:07:36.000 --> 2:07:39.960 little dairy farms, you know, like two d three hundred 2:07:39.960 --> 2:07:43.000 acre farms. They got forty head of cows. They got 2:07:43.080 --> 2:07:46.360 this little dairy barn. They're actually out in the past 2:07:46.400 --> 2:07:48.600 years that bring them in morning and night to milk. 2:07:48.800 --> 2:07:50.360 Making your kids get up at two in the morning 2:07:50.400 --> 2:07:52.320 to milk those cows before they go to the bus stop. 2:07:52.440 --> 2:07:53.960 Oh yeah, you don't want to be a dairy kid. 2:07:54.160 --> 2:07:59.400 They practice good um crop techniques like strip cropping for 2:07:59.680 --> 2:08:03.320 rose in But now you rarely see a mom and 2:08:03.360 --> 2:08:06.880 pop dairy farm anymore except a couple of small organic ones. 2:08:07.240 --> 2:08:12.040 And it's all these huge, massive barns packed full of cattle. 2:08:12.680 --> 2:08:19.120 They rarely get outside. They're not practicing good strip cropping techniques, 2:08:19.200 --> 2:08:21.640 which in that I mean like on all the little 2:08:21.760 --> 2:08:25.280 rolling hills in Wisconsin, it's good to mix up your 2:08:25.320 --> 2:08:28.320 crop from like corn to l FLFA back to corn 2:08:28.600 --> 2:08:31.600 to beans because you get a different roots system in there, 2:08:32.680 --> 2:08:35.760 yea and soil health. You know what you're saying is 2:08:35.920 --> 2:08:37.680 is I'm glad you brought that up, man, because it's 2:08:37.720 --> 2:08:41.320 a major problem you know, the country. Yeah, And it's 2:08:41.400 --> 2:08:43.240 it's it's just a little sad to see in that 2:08:43.360 --> 2:08:46.360 area because it was it's nice to see the mom 2:08:46.440 --> 2:08:49.120 and pop farms making it. And now you go and 2:08:49.240 --> 2:08:53.560 you see a two thousand, three thousand, four thousand head 2:08:53.600 --> 2:08:58.320 of cattle farm and all these old little red white 2:08:58.440 --> 2:09:03.360 barns are just you know, rotting away. I was at 2:09:03.440 --> 2:09:07.560 a livestock auction with some cattle ranchers one time, like 2:09:07.680 --> 2:09:12.520 Kyle Calf Operation guys, and I remember where they were selling. 2:09:12.600 --> 2:09:17.280 They were selling animals at the auction. I remember someone 2:09:17.440 --> 2:09:23.480 was unloading uh load of cows and they expressed like 2:09:23.640 --> 2:09:29.080 disgust about the cows that were getting offloaded. And these 2:09:29.120 --> 2:09:32.520 are not like soft men, but they kind of had 2:09:32.560 --> 2:09:36.440 like the how could you do that? And you know, 2:09:36.560 --> 2:09:38.320 I when I'm not trained to look at that kind 2:09:38.320 --> 2:09:42.600 of stuff that well, like what what? And they're like 2:09:42.760 --> 2:09:47.160 milked out dairy cows and they were kind of like 2:09:47.240 --> 2:09:53.240 offended by the condition of these animals coming off and 2:09:53.320 --> 2:09:55.640 these are these are people who are in animal husbandry, 2:09:56.040 --> 2:09:57.960 So there's more to it. I think it's easy for 2:09:57.960 --> 2:10:01.160 people not an animal husbandry, not in farm and ranch 2:10:01.800 --> 2:10:04.680 to come in and you know, like coming like a 2:10:04.760 --> 2:10:09.480 dilettante and condemn this and condemned that. But I mean 2:10:10.800 --> 2:10:12.840 I was in there with people who have been in 2:10:13.080 --> 2:10:16.760 production their whole lives, who had a very strong condemnation 2:10:16.960 --> 2:10:23.640 about animal hustldry practices of people. It's interesting subject. Were 2:10:23.680 --> 2:10:26.160 these beat up cows coming from a small farmer, big farm, No, 2:10:26.280 --> 2:10:29.080 they were coming from a big we were close to 2:10:29.280 --> 2:10:31.480 it was where a lot of milked out dairy cows 2:10:31.880 --> 2:10:35.000 go from big production places and they go into fast 2:10:35.040 --> 2:10:37.240 food burger. That's what they're saying, that that's where all 2:10:37.280 --> 2:10:40.400 those animals are death. But they were commenting on just 2:10:40.480 --> 2:10:45.959 how like the broken down this quality of the animals, 2:10:46.040 --> 2:10:50.360 which to them was indicative of um, indicative of like 2:10:50.480 --> 2:10:54.240 kind of like the cycling practice, and and it just 2:10:54.360 --> 2:10:56.480 became you know, and it's like do you need tomatoes 2:10:56.720 --> 2:10:59.520 every day of the year? Do you need Do I 2:10:59.600 --> 2:11:01.960 need this nothing special anymore? Like you asked my six 2:11:02.040 --> 2:11:05.040 year old, he would say, no, well, fine, strawberries, you know, 2:11:05.120 --> 2:11:08.080 like whatever you know, of course, you know, but like 2:11:08.360 --> 2:11:11.560 there's something to be said about like waiting for things 2:11:11.640 --> 2:11:14.720 to be like happened naturally right right again season, you know, 2:11:14.800 --> 2:11:16.560 and I think that can that that applies to that 2:11:16.800 --> 2:11:18.720 too as well, you know, like do you need and 2:11:18.800 --> 2:11:20.560 like sure, listen to me, I guess right, but like 2:11:20.960 --> 2:11:23.560 do you need to have beef? I don't need to 2:11:23.600 --> 2:11:25.360 have a I don't eat it every day, but like 2:11:25.680 --> 2:11:27.560 there's something nice to be able, like all right, yeah, 2:11:27.600 --> 2:11:29.840 it's this is the time of the month when like 2:11:29.920 --> 2:11:31.920 beefs around here, and like it's or something like that, 2:11:32.120 --> 2:11:34.160 you know what I mean, Like just that recipe I 2:11:34.240 --> 2:11:39.640 made last night for the Agua Chile like cucumbers, right, 2:11:39.720 --> 2:11:43.000 and there's like no good cucumbers around here. Like I 2:11:43.040 --> 2:11:44.960 don't care where you buy them. I'm not against technic. 2:11:45.640 --> 2:11:47.880 I'm not against technology and those things. Those cucumbers were 2:11:47.880 --> 2:11:50.200 probably grown in a greenhouse in Mexico, and I like, 2:11:50.320 --> 2:11:53.400 I wanted to make that recipe, so I bought those cucumbers, 2:11:53.440 --> 2:11:54.640 and all I could think is, like, you know, all 2:11:54.680 --> 2:11:57.200 this is good. I can't wait to try this again. 2:11:57.440 --> 2:12:00.280 If the practice makes sense, I can get behind, you 2:12:00.320 --> 2:12:02.280 know what I mean. Like I saw a tomato farm 2:12:02.600 --> 2:12:04.920 outside of Detroit one time. We did a video and 2:12:05.000 --> 2:12:08.800 it was I'm talking square acreage of indoor tomatoes and 2:12:08.880 --> 2:12:11.600 they was just all, you know, it's organic and just 2:12:11.720 --> 2:12:13.480 dialed in and as far as like you know, it's 2:12:13.480 --> 2:12:16.200 all solar panels, and like sure, I mean, if you're 2:12:16.240 --> 2:12:18.640 making a good product, and I'm not against technology, it's 2:12:18.640 --> 2:12:21.400 the only chance we have, you know, But like localizing 2:12:21.400 --> 2:12:23.720 a little bit and just that whole massive just like 2:12:24.680 --> 2:12:27.240 the Big Bob's running the you know, big food game, 2:12:27.480 --> 2:12:29.720 and just kind of that industrial treating it like it 2:12:29.840 --> 2:12:31.960 was cars, Like we did everything else in this country, 2:12:32.080 --> 2:12:35.800 you know, faster, more cheaper, and we just stripped that down, 2:12:36.200 --> 2:12:38.640 you know, and not everyone's hunting, and you know, isn't 2:12:38.640 --> 2:12:41.240 gonna isn't gonna solve world hunger, you know, But like 2:12:41.680 --> 2:12:44.120 I think, just localizing, not like the point if every 2:12:44.160 --> 2:12:47.720 American killed a deer next year, we'd be two hundred 2:12:47.720 --> 2:12:51.480 million deer in the whole. Yeah, that's insane. How many 2:12:52.680 --> 2:12:54.240 What is the deer pie? Of course, but what is 2:12:54.320 --> 2:12:56.360 the deer population? It was like a million of them 2:12:56.440 --> 2:13:01.080 or something, isn't there right, I was saying sixty, But 2:13:01.360 --> 2:13:04.280 I don't know. He'd be a beggar hole. You never 2:13:04.360 --> 2:13:06.920 climb out of it. Oh, you know. I was recently 2:13:06.960 --> 2:13:10.720 doing an interview for a documentary about um. I was 2:13:10.760 --> 2:13:14.880 doing an interview for a documentary about Buffalo, not the town, 2:13:14.960 --> 2:13:18.080 but bison, the animal, And I was kind of like 2:13:18.160 --> 2:13:23.600 thinking about the extermination, near near annihilation of the herds, 2:13:24.800 --> 2:13:28.560 and the fashionable number nowadays is there was maybe about 2:13:28.640 --> 2:13:32.839 thirty two million bison at the time of European contact. 2:13:33.720 --> 2:13:35.240 And I kind of got to try to find a 2:13:35.320 --> 2:13:39.000 way to find to uh, to put that in perspective. 2:13:40.280 --> 2:13:45.280 This country, we slaughter more cattle every year. Then there 2:13:45.280 --> 2:13:47.320 were buffalo on the landscape at the time of European 2:13:47.400 --> 2:13:51.040 contact killed about I think they're killing about thirty nine 2:13:51.200 --> 2:13:55.000 million a year in this country. Then puts in perspective 2:13:55.080 --> 2:13:58.880 like people like how could they have you know the US? Uh, 2:13:59.160 --> 2:14:03.080 the U s population's three million. The US deer population 2:14:03.200 --> 2:14:07.120 is thirty eight million. Would be three million shorts. Since 2:14:07.160 --> 2:14:09.400 we're pulling up a little fun facts, look up how 2:14:09.480 --> 2:14:13.800 many pigs are slaughtered? Not as many as cows or oh, 2:14:13.920 --> 2:14:16.160 it's like in the world, it's like a billion in 2:14:16.240 --> 2:14:18.200 the world, or even in the US. I bet you 2:14:18.240 --> 2:14:22.240 it is more than than cow hundred thirty million, hogs 2:14:23.960 --> 2:14:28.800 cheese and uh it looks like gold. Don't give me 2:14:28.840 --> 2:14:33.320 no global numbers that's in the United States. How many 2:14:34.000 --> 2:14:36.640 hundred thirty million? Yeah, global will make you throw up. 2:14:37.240 --> 2:14:39.040 It doesn't maybe throw up, no, but I mean it's 2:14:39.080 --> 2:14:45.040 it's a lot of animals, like like you get China 2:14:45.080 --> 2:14:46.920 in the game and other you know, big big countries 2:14:46.960 --> 2:14:49.280 that are just cranking them out. I mean, sure, I'm 2:14:49.320 --> 2:14:51.360 not against people eating it, right, who are we to 2:14:51.440 --> 2:14:54.600 just eat them like you know everywhere across the world. 2:14:54.800 --> 2:14:57.000 You know, we're not the worst, you know what I mean? Like, no, 2:14:57.080 --> 2:14:59.040 we're not the worst. But we're the among the richest, 2:14:59.120 --> 2:15:00.720 so I think like to come in and be like 2:15:00.880 --> 2:15:05.280 I you know, I don't like your people's numbers. I'm 2:15:05.320 --> 2:15:08.360 talking about practice. I'm sure you know. I think bad 2:15:08.400 --> 2:15:11.800 practice happens everywhere as sure as hell happens here. But 2:15:11.920 --> 2:15:13.840 you know that must it happens globally, and we can 2:15:13.880 --> 2:15:16.240 afford and it's not a bad thing. We can afford 2:15:16.320 --> 2:15:21.000 to be very finicky about what we eat. And I 2:15:21.040 --> 2:15:22.440 think it's important to keep in mind a lot of 2:15:22.480 --> 2:15:25.280 people do not have that luxury. But it doesn't have 2:15:25.360 --> 2:15:26.720 to be that way. A lot of people don't have 2:15:26.800 --> 2:15:30.240 the good. Food is too expensive, and that's our that's 2:15:30.240 --> 2:15:33.040 our government's fault. I think, you know, the way it's 2:15:33.040 --> 2:15:35.000 all been systematized. You know, it doesn't I don't think 2:15:35.040 --> 2:15:38.560 it needs food. Food is expensive and it's only getting 2:15:38.640 --> 2:15:41.120 more expensive. But like like my mom and like most 2:15:41.160 --> 2:15:46.560 people's growing up, they could only afford what the big 2:15:46.680 --> 2:15:49.880 system made available because the bobs are making money, Steve, 2:15:50.600 --> 2:15:52.840 you know, and like, I think that's the big change. 2:15:52.920 --> 2:15:54.440 That Not to get all crazy and you guys, but 2:15:54.480 --> 2:15:56.360 I think that's how that that's something you're getting crazy. 2:15:56.360 --> 2:15:57.840 I mean, I think I think it's it's a it's 2:15:57.880 --> 2:16:00.560 a rich field of inquiry. Yeah, I don't. I don't 2:16:00.560 --> 2:16:02.560 think we need to um, I don't think we need 2:16:02.600 --> 2:16:05.240 to sit here and exactly have the same time. No, 2:16:05.360 --> 2:16:07.160 of course I'm not that committed to my vision. Well 2:16:07.200 --> 2:16:09.280 that's that's beauty because I don't understand it as thoroughly 2:16:09.280 --> 2:16:11.440 as i'd like to listen. And as long as we're 2:16:11.440 --> 2:16:13.080 all have an open mind, right because as soon as 2:16:13.160 --> 2:16:15.680 some person this is it, and that's then, you know, 2:16:15.720 --> 2:16:17.800 that's when we have problems. And that's why I go like, 2:16:18.080 --> 2:16:21.360 I don't really care what this gusses well our next guest, 2:16:22.880 --> 2:16:25.560 you know, but have an open conversation. You know, that's 2:16:25.600 --> 2:16:28.280 what this country, you know, that's what this moment, that's 2:16:28.280 --> 2:16:29.920 what this country. What makes it great is that we 2:16:29.920 --> 2:16:32.800 should be able to have conversations that we don't necessarily 2:16:32.840 --> 2:16:34.720 agree on. Right, That's how we get That's how we 2:16:34.800 --> 2:16:37.760 get somewhere. And I could be hypocritical real fast, because 2:16:37.800 --> 2:16:40.560 I like, I sure like hunting turkeys around feed lots, 2:16:40.680 --> 2:16:48.840 and like hunting deer and farmers cattle pastures. So yeah, 2:16:49.280 --> 2:16:54.640 it's like you can get you can get, um so 2:16:54.800 --> 2:16:57.880 afraid of hypocrisy that to shut you down. But I 2:16:57.879 --> 2:17:00.560 don't know. I mean, it's you hunting by your feed lot. 2:17:00.640 --> 2:17:02.360 That's great, man, you get to shoot your turkey, and 2:17:02.400 --> 2:17:04.280 there's a lot of them. But what am I the 2:17:04.320 --> 2:17:06.760 bigger picture, like all the runoff from about the water 2:17:06.840 --> 2:17:09.480 waste that's coming off of those things. Like at that point, 2:17:09.520 --> 2:17:13.480 I'm like, fuck your turkey? What do you think of that? Yeah, 2:17:13.480 --> 2:17:18.160 that's all right, I'm listen. I'm I'm gonna change the 2:17:18.160 --> 2:17:21.280 subject right now. But not because I'm not because I'm uncomfortable. 2:17:21.600 --> 2:17:25.360 Good me neither. When someone when you think of an idea, 2:17:26.240 --> 2:17:29.280 how do you know what fits into your Like? What 2:17:29.600 --> 2:17:31.920 is how do you know when something's right for you? 2:17:33.040 --> 2:17:36.000 Because you're talking about going to a tomato place? What 2:17:36.080 --> 2:17:37.880 do you mean is something is right? Okay? Like like 2:17:38.680 --> 2:17:41.240 visiting a tomato place that's interesting to me? No, like 2:17:41.360 --> 2:17:44.560 catching mountain whitefish that's interesting me? What's not interesting to you? 2:17:45.120 --> 2:17:49.440 A hatred and negativity? I mean, like as far as 2:17:50.000 --> 2:17:53.280 food ideas, nothing, man, I don't mean like I'm not 2:17:53.480 --> 2:17:56.440 I'm not necessarily traveling to come you know, eat you know, 2:17:56.520 --> 2:17:59.560 the biggest bug, but like just like normal and I 2:17:59.600 --> 2:18:02.920 shouldn't normal, but like that's you know, adventures and food 2:18:03.000 --> 2:18:05.160 and like what you know the people behind food. That's 2:18:05.200 --> 2:18:07.040 kind of like what really gets me going. Could you 2:18:07.080 --> 2:18:09.560 see a path sort of doing a thing. I'm not 2:18:09.600 --> 2:18:11.480 trying to plug his place. Would you be like, oh, 2:18:11.680 --> 2:18:13.880 they grow mushrooms and make pickled mushrooms. I gotta do 2:18:13.879 --> 2:18:18.400 an episode about that. Oh one, I'm not pitching Chester. 2:18:18.720 --> 2:18:23.120 I would love to go Chester testers coming with me. 2:18:23.200 --> 2:18:24.720 I just got to get the bobs to sign off 2:18:24.800 --> 2:18:27.320 and you got to recreate that Chester the tester scene 2:18:28.240 --> 2:18:30.879 like a flashback. There'll be a black and white flashback 2:18:30.920 --> 2:18:33.720 of a little kid. Could you play himself? He got 2:18:33.760 --> 2:18:35.600 a sippy cup in one hand and a mushroom in 2:18:35.640 --> 2:18:38.280 the other, making a little like so he's got like 2:18:38.360 --> 2:18:40.880 Bobby socks on him. It's time. They won't produce it 2:18:40.959 --> 2:18:43.080 for it's alive. We need to do it for for 2:18:43.120 --> 2:18:46.080 a meat eater thing, because I would Yeah, that's amazing. 2:18:46.240 --> 2:18:47.880 I have a question for you about kind of like 2:18:48.120 --> 2:18:53.119 your own or maybe more like the mainstream industries red 2:18:53.240 --> 2:18:58.400 lines around preparation of of food that's not you know, 2:18:58.480 --> 2:19:02.240 it's like pig pig cow aside and kind of our 2:19:02.440 --> 2:19:05.240 idea about like what is okay to eat and what's 2:19:05.280 --> 2:19:08.600 weird and what's gross to eat? You cooked Spencer, you 2:19:08.680 --> 2:19:12.080 cooked up crow last year and badger as well as that. 2:19:12.400 --> 2:19:16.560 I unfortunately miss those those days. All about it? Yeah, 2:19:16.640 --> 2:19:19.520 do you have thoughts about that? And what where do 2:19:19.560 --> 2:19:23.280 you think we may push the biodiversity. I'm all about 2:19:23.280 --> 2:19:25.440 it because it's it's funny, you know, it's what we 2:19:25.680 --> 2:19:28.600 we We like, you know, pigs, you know we can 2:19:28.680 --> 2:19:31.440 kill two million of them. No, no, no problem, keep 2:19:31.480 --> 2:19:33.920 it going right. But like you talk about like cooking 2:19:33.959 --> 2:19:36.760 a dog or something, and it's just like, cancel that guy, 2:19:36.959 --> 2:19:39.920 you know, like no one wants nobody wants you eating 2:19:40.040 --> 2:19:44.200 dogs or house cats, Robbin's Like I kind of want 2:19:44.200 --> 2:19:46.600 to eat a robin, you know, and like I heard 2:19:46.920 --> 2:19:49.000 I would. I would try dog too, I guess. And 2:19:49.080 --> 2:19:51.120 I love dogs, you know, like it's one of my 2:19:51.200 --> 2:19:54.000 spirit animals. But like it is, it's funny the things 2:19:54.040 --> 2:19:57.920 we like. This is food and that's not big. No, no, here, 2:19:58.160 --> 2:20:00.760 Let's say you went let's say you thought that. Uh, 2:20:00.920 --> 2:20:03.560 let's say you thought, man, I want to go to 2:20:04.440 --> 2:20:08.080 I want to do an episode of It's Alive and 2:20:08.280 --> 2:20:11.680 go hear them out. I'm gonna talk to you a veterinarian. 2:20:12.000 --> 2:20:17.240 I'm gonna go to a industrial feed lot. Yeah, what 2:20:17.520 --> 2:20:22.600 would someone tell you not to? I'm sure someone from 2:20:22.680 --> 2:20:27.640 like the Bobs, I mean maybe. I mean the problem 2:20:27.680 --> 2:20:29.240 with me is like I could find that. To me, 2:20:29.680 --> 2:20:32.240 that's an amazing topic. I there isn't many things I 2:20:32.360 --> 2:20:35.240 can't get into, whether or not I fundamentally think it's like, 2:20:35.560 --> 2:20:37.400 let's expose it and kind of like see you know, 2:20:37.520 --> 2:20:40.240 more of like a journalistic aspect or something I'm obviously into, 2:20:40.320 --> 2:20:42.720 like going to an efficient right, But within that the 2:20:42.840 --> 2:20:46.600 fund is also like the education, you know. And sorry, 2:20:46.640 --> 2:20:48.360 what was a question? Well, I was just trying to 2:20:48.400 --> 2:20:50.240 figure out, like how all the things in the world, 2:20:50.280 --> 2:20:53.359 how do you decide what fits you? Like, what's interesting 2:20:53.440 --> 2:20:55.400 to you? What you what do you want to make 2:20:55.480 --> 2:20:57.640 content about? What do you want to shine a light on? 2:20:58.280 --> 2:21:00.400 The people behind food? For the longest time, it was 2:21:00.440 --> 2:21:02.280 always just you know, I feel like for the past 2:21:02.320 --> 2:21:04.520 decade probably even more right, it was always just been 2:21:05.000 --> 2:21:07.520 the chef. You know, you think about the people, the folks, 2:21:07.640 --> 2:21:09.240 that's what it's all about. I mean, for me, it's 2:21:09.240 --> 2:21:11.840 a it's just a universal language like music. You know, food, 2:21:11.879 --> 2:21:14.760 it's if the food's greatest delicious. I freaking love eating. 2:21:15.080 --> 2:21:17.120 But it's just as much as you know, going and 2:21:17.160 --> 2:21:18.959 catching the fish with you and smoking them at your 2:21:19.000 --> 2:21:20.400 house and stuff like that, you know what I mean, 2:21:20.520 --> 2:21:23.160 as it is to just just eat them. It's it's 2:21:23.360 --> 2:21:25.800 it's gotta be. It's gotta have that human element. And 2:21:25.920 --> 2:21:30.520 like I can find the creative. The ideas are never 2:21:30.800 --> 2:21:32.760 the problem. I think there's it's kind of endless. We 2:21:32.760 --> 2:21:34.880 could probably I could probably come up with ten thousand, 2:21:35.000 --> 2:21:37.400 you know, if we're going global, it's kind of endless. 2:21:37.840 --> 2:21:40.720 It's more just like who's gonna pay for it? What's 2:21:40.760 --> 2:21:44.160 your favorite episode of It's Live? You know, I hate favorites, 2:21:44.240 --> 2:21:47.080 you know when in every in every category, you know, 2:21:47.200 --> 2:21:49.560 like it's like my least favorite's like your ten out 2:21:49.600 --> 2:21:52.440 of ten. No, but I can answer the question for sure. 2:21:52.720 --> 2:21:55.720 I mean the one to Alaska was absolutely amazing. Where 2:21:55.760 --> 2:21:57.600 we went up and I mean he was my first time, 2:21:57.800 --> 2:21:59.200 you know, it's my second time up there. But we 2:21:59.240 --> 2:22:01.600 went we went Rabin and we took a little seaplane 2:22:01.640 --> 2:22:03.240 and it was just you know, it's Alaska, it's huge, 2:22:03.280 --> 2:22:06.200 it beautiful, met some you know, just amazing people ate 2:22:06.240 --> 2:22:09.800 some great food. Um the trip down to when we 2:22:10.040 --> 2:22:12.600 I went with Guitar Chocolate out of San Francisco. We 2:22:12.680 --> 2:22:15.800 did a really cool three part video where we went 2:22:15.840 --> 2:22:18.920 to South America and we just did the whole chocolate production, 2:22:19.440 --> 2:22:22.600 which is a fermented product ocolate chocolate production. So we 2:22:22.680 --> 2:22:25.360 went down with these farmers. So we're the nicest people 2:22:25.400 --> 2:22:27.480 in the world, just like you know, living in and 2:22:27.600 --> 2:22:29.360 you know, in the middle of the jungle with you know, 2:22:29.520 --> 2:22:32.400 in just a very very simple home. Uh, you know, 2:22:32.560 --> 2:22:35.040 no windows and stuff. You know, just like and just 2:22:35.160 --> 2:22:36.800 then I mean would give you the shirt off their 2:22:36.840 --> 2:22:39.560 back and they're they're farming. I've never heard anything like it. 2:22:39.640 --> 2:22:41.800 We were down in the jungle like collecting these cacao 2:22:42.000 --> 2:22:45.080 pods and it got quiet. We were like getting like 2:22:45.120 --> 2:22:46.800 the MIC's writing and stuff, and all you heard was 2:22:46.879 --> 2:22:49.840 just like this in like just surrounding the world was 2:22:49.920 --> 2:22:53.480 just like this, and it was just like billions of 2:22:53.560 --> 2:22:56.000 mosquitoes everywhere. You know, we had to take malaria pills 2:22:56.040 --> 2:22:58.359 and stuff. But it was just seeing the whole process 2:22:58.800 --> 2:23:00.920 where it was just insane. Pod I don't know if 2:23:00.959 --> 2:23:02.160 you know what it looks like, but it's just like 2:23:02.280 --> 2:23:05.760 this cocao fruit pod and it's got these like alien 2:23:05.920 --> 2:23:09.520 egg seeds inside with this like white mucus that surrounds them, 2:23:09.560 --> 2:23:12.240 and inside it's just that raw that cocow nib or 2:23:12.320 --> 2:23:15.040 that you know, the seed, and then they ferment him 2:23:15.080 --> 2:23:17.920 in these these big bins. Uh. It's just out in 2:23:17.959 --> 2:23:20.440 the temperature, covered in banana leaves and it gets so 2:23:20.600 --> 2:23:22.080 hot you have to go and turn them and like 2:23:22.160 --> 2:23:24.160 you have to put gloves on because it was burning 2:23:24.200 --> 2:23:26.880 your hands. Cockroaches coming out of it and stuff, you know, 2:23:27.200 --> 2:23:29.640 bugs like this. And I'm I'm not a big bug guy, 2:23:29.680 --> 2:23:32.080 you know, I'm just and I'm stirring this stuff up 2:23:32.080 --> 2:23:33.760 with my hands, and you know, they didn't give me gloves. 2:23:33.800 --> 2:23:36.680 They should have, but like there was like an acid reaction. 2:23:36.800 --> 2:23:39.440 My hands were like a little pale for the next 2:23:39.480 --> 2:23:41.240 few days. And it's like it was like a burn 2:23:41.360 --> 2:23:44.560 from in that like heavy heavy fermentation. And then after 2:23:44.680 --> 2:23:47.400 they ferment that like sweet goop off it, then we 2:23:47.520 --> 2:23:49.760 laid them out and sundry they like sun dry them, 2:23:49.760 --> 2:23:52.000 and that's when you get this like what becomes like 2:23:52.280 --> 2:23:55.080 when you crack that it's that coco nib and people 2:23:55.120 --> 2:23:57.800 put in there, you know whatever, and uh and then 2:23:57.879 --> 2:23:59.800 from there, you know, we followed the bean back into 2:24:00.080 --> 2:24:02.760 the co op the moment that's like the tradeable commodity. Yeah, 2:24:02.800 --> 2:24:04.480 oh yeah, that's where it's all happening down there. And 2:24:04.560 --> 2:24:06.280 all these farmers bring them to the co op, their 2:24:06.320 --> 2:24:09.360 bags that dried the cattle beans right where so you know, 2:24:09.440 --> 2:24:12.200 there's the nice sun dried ones and then uh, and 2:24:12.280 --> 2:24:14.200 then there's the ones that like they dry in these 2:24:14.280 --> 2:24:17.160 like big diesel things and they're like not his quality. Right, 2:24:17.200 --> 2:24:19.080 So we went with the with the guy who I 2:24:19.160 --> 2:24:21.680 was doing the good the good work, and we followed 2:24:21.720 --> 2:24:22.880 them to the co op and it was like all 2:24:22.879 --> 2:24:25.280 these crazy colorful bags. And then from there they go 2:24:25.400 --> 2:24:27.800 to we went to the San Francisco factory where they 2:24:28.280 --> 2:24:30.560 toast them, they grind them up, turn it into you know, 2:24:30.600 --> 2:24:33.080 and then it becomes started becoming familiar. See cocoa powder, 2:24:33.320 --> 2:24:36.120 cocoa butter, and then like little chips and big box 2:24:36.160 --> 2:24:38.720 start coming out and stuff, and it's just amazing, amazing 2:24:38.800 --> 2:24:41.040 process and you know, seeing the whole thing and just 2:24:41.360 --> 2:24:43.680 something that like to come back and kind of answer 2:24:43.680 --> 2:24:46.600 your question. And just like I loved making videos that 2:24:46.840 --> 2:24:50.640 like demystifies or like shows like like something like like 2:24:50.760 --> 2:24:53.640 this soy Sauce or the pickled Ginger, like so many 2:24:53.680 --> 2:24:55.480 people go in and even Seltzer, you know, you go 2:24:55.600 --> 2:24:58.760 into the supermarket get it. But man, there's like usually 2:24:58.840 --> 2:25:01.840 generations of information sian and hard work and all types 2:25:01.879 --> 2:25:05.160 of stories just for this. You know, I can be 2:25:05.200 --> 2:25:08.400 applied to anything. So as long as someone still wants 2:25:08.400 --> 2:25:10.080 to make videos, and I'm gonna have to make one 2:25:10.160 --> 2:25:12.000 day start making them on my own or something, but 2:25:12.200 --> 2:25:14.800 like I'll start, I'll do this for as long as 2:25:14.840 --> 2:25:17.520 I can. I was in in a remote area the 2:25:17.560 --> 2:25:22.280 Philippines one time and there's people drying rice. But the 2:25:22.320 --> 2:25:23.720 only place to put it out the dry it was 2:25:23.760 --> 2:25:27.800 on the road. But there's so little traffic they come blankets. Yeah, 2:25:27.920 --> 2:25:30.800 we'd come come around the corner now and then and 2:25:30.840 --> 2:25:33.640 they'd be like damn it, yeah, and you have to 2:25:33.680 --> 2:25:38.560 stop and they'd like very begrudgingly break it all off 2:25:38.640 --> 2:25:42.920 the road and then you drive through that they'd pissing 2:25:42.959 --> 2:25:44.879 them off and spread it back out. Man. But yeah, 2:25:44.879 --> 2:25:47.880 there's like parts of food production this in other places 2:25:48.080 --> 2:25:50.400 we just take for granted, right, and like the perfect 2:25:50.400 --> 2:25:52.480 example rice man, I would love to go do that, 2:25:52.560 --> 2:25:55.400 and like, you can make fifteen different Rice episodes. It's 2:25:55.400 --> 2:25:57.199 probably one of the most consumed things in the world. 2:25:57.320 --> 2:25:58.560 You know. We can go to Asia, we can go 2:25:58.680 --> 2:26:01.120 to Minnesota and collect the wild rice. Like there's so 2:26:01.280 --> 2:26:04.480 many Everyone eats rice. Make a show about rice. Uh. 2:26:04.959 --> 2:26:07.800 A friend of mine that I grew up with, we 2:26:07.920 --> 2:26:10.080 used to hang out in Mexico a bit together, and 2:26:10.160 --> 2:26:12.520 there's this town that had this grilled chicken. We really like, 2:26:12.680 --> 2:26:15.440 you know, it was already just seemed like very unsanitary 2:26:15.480 --> 2:26:19.120 because they would use stumps in a machete, cut the 2:26:19.200 --> 2:26:21.400 chicken up, you know, like no one's washing that stumping. 2:26:21.920 --> 2:26:25.520 And then they cooked and he goes and we're like, man, 2:26:25.560 --> 2:26:27.000 that chicken is good, and we've been down there a 2:26:27.040 --> 2:26:29.000 couple of times. Eventually wants to find out how they 2:26:29.040 --> 2:26:31.520 make the chicken and knee goes in the back and 2:26:31.600 --> 2:26:34.200 this guy's got a garbage can full of the like 2:26:34.320 --> 2:26:39.760 a marinade and he drinks out of it the marinade. Yeah. Well, 2:26:40.000 --> 2:26:41.879 so my body thought was just like where he's making 2:26:41.879 --> 2:26:44.200 the marinade. So he takes a big spoon and has 2:26:44.680 --> 2:26:49.160 the guys like urging him taste the marinade and oh yeah, 2:26:49.200 --> 2:26:51.879 well he's drinking the marinade, thinking that's just he's making 2:26:51.920 --> 2:26:54.480 the marinade, and he says the guy reaches in with 2:26:54.600 --> 2:26:57.800 a bare arm starts hauling raw chickens out of the 2:26:57.800 --> 2:27:02.320 bottom of that garbage marinated marinade. Man, Oh yeah, that 2:27:02.680 --> 2:27:04.840 was like what was funny is like to see it, 2:27:05.760 --> 2:27:07.360 you know you're talking about like the cockroach is kind 2:27:07.360 --> 2:27:10.240 of out of stuff to see it. He was a 2:27:10.400 --> 2:27:13.680 huge he liked the chicken more than anybody. Yeah, it's 2:27:13.680 --> 2:27:16.000 like this Upton sinclair, like the jungle stuff. You know, 2:27:16.080 --> 2:27:18.120 like people to this expression like let's not see all 2:27:18.120 --> 2:27:20.440 the sausage you just made sure burned him on the chicken. 2:27:21.600 --> 2:27:24.240 Well that it's better. Sometimes people don't want to know, 2:27:24.480 --> 2:27:26.440 well that cook. You know, he probably had an he 2:27:26.520 --> 2:27:28.760 had a gut like a snapping turtle, you know, like 2:27:28.879 --> 2:27:31.320 that guy know, he's been doing that his whole life. Yeah, 2:27:31.480 --> 2:27:34.080 when you think of chocolate, you know, it's like kind 2:27:34.120 --> 2:27:37.000 of like elegant, you know, people get sophisticated about No 2:27:37.320 --> 2:27:39.400 you go down like you said, like there's cockroaches and 2:27:39.480 --> 2:27:41.959 banano lee. Yeah, and guys probably getting paid a hundred 2:27:42.000 --> 2:27:44.280 dollars a week. You know. Yeah, no, it's interesting to 2:27:44.320 --> 2:27:46.520 see all that. Man. It's wild, man, the world's wild. 2:27:47.200 --> 2:27:48.360 If you want to think, it's like a bunch of 2:27:48.440 --> 2:27:52.120 French guys in a laboratory. Oh sure, everything said, everything 2:27:52.240 --> 2:27:54.680 is very romanticized, right, Marketing did hell of a job 2:27:55.280 --> 2:27:57.120 and and it's true. So like being able to kind 2:27:57.160 --> 2:27:59.320 of just shine a little light, you know, off of 2:27:59.520 --> 2:28:02.160 you know, five star chef guy. But then also just 2:28:02.520 --> 2:28:04.200 let's let's go all the way why not? And like 2:28:04.320 --> 2:28:06.800 the world needs it, man, because the systems in place 2:28:06.840 --> 2:28:09.640 ain't ain't really cutting it. How many of its lives 2:28:09.720 --> 2:28:12.199 have you made? Oh man, you call him it's lives. 2:28:12.800 --> 2:28:16.640 I don't really call him anything the truth episodes, but yeah, 2:28:16.760 --> 2:28:19.280 but it's gotta be like eighty or ninety hundred of 2:28:19.280 --> 2:28:21.880 them or something, I think. And then we have another 2:28:21.879 --> 2:28:23.720 show we did I do with with Bone Appetite called 2:28:23.720 --> 2:28:25.240 Taste Buds, which is a lot of fun. It's just 2:28:25.360 --> 2:28:27.360 more it's more of just like a kind of an 2:28:27.400 --> 2:28:30.480 internet show where it's like a me uh, we have 2:28:30.600 --> 2:28:32.920 celebrities come on and we like try different types of 2:28:33.040 --> 2:28:36.040 like a type of food. Right. One we did with 2:28:36.200 --> 2:28:38.280 uh with just a bunch of different types of smoke 2:28:38.400 --> 2:28:41.360 fish or like stupid stuff, like different types of potato chips, 2:28:41.440 --> 2:28:44.160 like high test celebrities, mid level. Now we got we got, 2:28:44.160 --> 2:28:45.920 we got some big players. Man. We had kimmel on 2:28:46.160 --> 2:28:49.480 and uh, Elizabeth Olsen and Kicky Palmer. Was a lot 2:28:49.520 --> 2:28:51.560 of fun. And Elizabeth Olson like the girl with the 2:28:51.600 --> 2:28:55.400 twin uh so, I think there's there's three of them, 2:28:57.120 --> 2:28:59.320 a younger sister, the twins. You're not even wrapped up 2:28:59.320 --> 2:29:01.560 in the twins. But she's she's like a huge start. 2:29:01.600 --> 2:29:03.680 Now she's in a ton of movies. He's yeah, Steve, Yeah, 2:29:03.760 --> 2:29:07.280 she's got And what was that other one mrs uh 2:29:07.840 --> 2:29:09.960 mrs um the one show she just had that was 2:29:10.000 --> 2:29:14.119 like a big hit Mrs Marvels. Well she she wasn't Missmasal, 2:29:14.200 --> 2:29:15.640 but she wasn't in one of vision and she's all 2:29:15.680 --> 2:29:20.200 the movies now to everything. Yeah, yeah, definitely more famous 2:29:20.240 --> 2:29:22.600 than me. Part of the m c U. Yes, actually, 2:29:22.680 --> 2:29:25.760 all right, good job. And then we just did Wolfgang Puck. 2:29:25.840 --> 2:29:28.680 He was he was amazing. He had no filter. It 2:29:28.760 --> 2:29:31.000 was like he just said, I was just like, yep, 2:29:31.120 --> 2:29:34.400 this is great. Have you had Jack Pepperine? Who ja Popine? No, 2:29:34.560 --> 2:29:38.200 but I love him, man, you know, makes it more approach. 2:29:38.360 --> 2:29:41.000 He lives up by me and he's good friends with 2:29:41.080 --> 2:29:43.640 a buddy of mine who owns a farm stone acres 2:29:43.680 --> 2:29:46.879 over in Connecticut. Is good man. Yeah, he's a legend. Man, 2:29:47.200 --> 2:29:49.040 such a sweetheart. We sat next I sat next to 2:29:49.080 --> 2:29:50.880 him next with dinner and I was like, me and 2:29:50.959 --> 2:29:52.720 my wife were there, and I was like, do you 2:29:52.840 --> 2:29:55.320 sit by Jock because he's you guys are gonna love it. 2:29:55.320 --> 2:29:57.160 He's just such a little he's a schmoozer, you know, 2:29:58.240 --> 2:30:00.080 he's a good guy. And when you say schmoozer and 2:30:00.160 --> 2:30:05.080 like in quotes, no, like, um, schmoozers the wrong word. 2:30:05.120 --> 2:30:07.800 I guess I mean not really, but like he's saying, 2:30:07.800 --> 2:30:09.640 your wife over to sit by him. Yeah. He's an 2:30:09.680 --> 2:30:11.480 old guy, you know. He's a flirty old guy, you know, 2:30:11.600 --> 2:30:13.480 and not in a creepy way. Okay, good, good good, 2:30:13.560 --> 2:30:21.640 you know, very very charming. I'm sorry, Jesus Christ, very charming. No, no, no, man, 2:30:21.640 --> 2:30:26.720 I hope he don't. All right, we'll tell people how 2:30:26.760 --> 2:30:29.240 to find you all the platforms, all the ways. Yeah, 2:30:29.400 --> 2:30:31.879 thanks man. So yeah, so Instagram, it's kind of it's 2:30:31.879 --> 2:30:33.800 the only really it's the only social thing I do. 2:30:33.879 --> 2:30:37.280 It's just Brad underscore leone. That's your own thing. Yeah, yeah, 2:30:37.360 --> 2:30:39.280 that's me. And then you know, we have it's a 2:30:39.320 --> 2:30:42.920 live show and going into live and it's a live 2:30:43.000 --> 2:30:46.160 going Places, which is like the sister of that show 2:30:46.200 --> 2:30:47.880 where it's just more of the travel stuff. They kind 2:30:47.920 --> 2:30:49.840 of bleed into the same thing. How long will it 2:30:49.879 --> 2:30:53.480 be till till uh? What's the turnaround time till the 2:30:53.560 --> 2:30:55.879 one we made about Whitefish? Oh, you know, they're pretty 2:30:55.920 --> 2:30:57.640 good about it, you know, like it's either a month 2:30:57.800 --> 2:30:59.560 or six months, who knows, you know, it's just like 2:31:00.040 --> 2:31:01.879 and it probably I don't want to be like your 2:31:02.000 --> 2:31:04.360 kombucha thing that sits there for a year. Oh no, 2:31:04.480 --> 2:31:06.000 this is a heavy hit it. Man. We're proud of 2:31:06.080 --> 2:31:08.879 this one, Steve, you know, and I felt really good 2:31:08.879 --> 2:31:11.080 about it, so did everyone that was shooting it. And 2:31:11.240 --> 2:31:13.000 and thanks again for coming on. Man. That was that 2:31:13.160 --> 2:31:14.920 was just Hey, I've been a fan of your guys 2:31:15.000 --> 2:31:16.600 is working show for a long time. It was just 2:31:16.680 --> 2:31:19.000 awesome to work with you guys. And you've got something 2:31:19.040 --> 2:31:21.080 in the fixings. You got you and Cal got something 2:31:21.160 --> 2:31:23.800 in the fixings too. We talked all the time, talking 2:31:23.800 --> 2:31:25.440 about all types of stuff. He's gonna hopefully come over 2:31:25.480 --> 2:31:27.440 and help me cut down some trees, some vines I 2:31:27.520 --> 2:31:29.680 got some. I got these vines grown all over, some 2:31:29.760 --> 2:31:31.920 cedar trees I need to handle. And then we gotta 2:31:31.959 --> 2:31:33.680 do some spear fishing out there, and some fishing and 2:31:34.080 --> 2:31:35.680 a lot of cool stuff out by me. Steve, you 2:31:35.800 --> 2:31:38.920 got up indoor boys, I got a guy, got a 2:31:38.959 --> 2:31:41.920 good one for you. You know at the UH you 2:31:42.000 --> 2:31:43.920 may have been in the preamble to the show. It 2:31:44.000 --> 2:31:46.360 may not even be on here, but you said, how 2:31:46.840 --> 2:31:51.040 um you have a kind of perspective on food as 2:31:51.120 --> 2:31:53.640 far as like some safety things or what you can 2:31:53.800 --> 2:31:59.040 or cannot eat. Um, like you equated it to you know, 2:31:59.360 --> 2:32:02.480 taking the right hand turn on a red light. Even 2:32:02.520 --> 2:32:04.400 if it says you shouldn't like some things don't apply 2:32:04.480 --> 2:32:08.400 to you. That um cut up some sushi at my 2:32:08.520 --> 2:32:12.160 place last night, and the board that we were laying 2:32:12.200 --> 2:32:15.600 all the sushi on, right, don't dug that out of 2:32:15.600 --> 2:32:18.800 the dumpster, little dumpster, the same dumpster. Get all your 2:32:18.800 --> 2:32:22.680 stuff on the same dumpster. All that stuff out, folks. 2:32:23.080 --> 2:32:26.480 Folks don't know the people throw away. It might be 2:32:26.560 --> 2:32:28.920 catching on and people might just go there and put 2:32:29.040 --> 2:32:31.040 instead of bringing it to good well that it's dumping 2:32:31.040 --> 2:32:37.279 to Cal's dumpster, Cow's dumpster diving. That sometimes I flipped 2:32:37.320 --> 2:32:39.800 the lid and it's daunting, Like I shake my head 2:32:39.800 --> 2:32:41.200 and it's like all I wanted to do was just 2:32:41.280 --> 2:32:46.480 throw the trash away. I gotta repurpose, so needle out 2:32:46.680 --> 2:32:50.600 fix it all. Find a home board. It can film. 2:32:50.680 --> 2:32:53.600 Make a jingle for Cow's dumpster diving, like what what 2:32:53.760 --> 2:32:56.760 did calp find? Every time you every time you're finding something, Yeah, 2:32:56.920 --> 2:33:01.760 it's good to be the Col's dumpster. You're coming on better. Dad. 2:33:01.920 --> 2:33:03.959 My dad loves to go dumpster dive and he finds 2:33:04.000 --> 2:33:07.120 all kinds of radio. My dad lives in northern Jersey, 2:33:07.680 --> 2:33:12.480 so you know those. Yeah. I'm a big picker a right, 2:33:12.520 --> 2:33:14.320 you know, not so much of the dumpsters, although I'm 2:33:14.320 --> 2:33:16.080 not above it, but like a good pick a good 2:33:16.400 --> 2:33:20.640 like uncuriated egg, antique kind of lot. Oh man, stop 2:33:20.680 --> 2:33:22.360 buying new stuff unless you need to a lot of 2:33:22.400 --> 2:33:25.520 good stuff out there. My old man would um, he 2:33:25.680 --> 2:33:27.840 was into that stuff and had like a big pole barn, 2:33:27.920 --> 2:33:32.680 so he had somewhere, you know, and he would go 2:33:34.520 --> 2:33:37.640 in spring springtime. He'd be like oh, you know spring 2:33:37.680 --> 2:33:41.600 cleaning time and on garbage day, like honestly, like that 2:33:41.760 --> 2:33:44.760 time of year, would kind of like make little extra loops, 2:33:44.879 --> 2:33:48.520 take the long way home, knowing that someone was going 2:33:48.600 --> 2:33:51.160 to throw away something good and to be out Wednesday night, 2:33:51.680 --> 2:33:53.760 and he'd get in there. And you know, if I 2:33:53.879 --> 2:33:57.199 an a broken fishing rod, that put all the broken 2:33:57.240 --> 2:33:59.800 fishing rods I found in the garbage absolute gems. Or 2:34:00.040 --> 2:34:01.560 like if you know there's an old couple and like 2:34:01.680 --> 2:34:04.080 the old man, you know his time comes, you know, 2:34:04.680 --> 2:34:06.560 they got him in the dirt, the old lady a 2:34:06.600 --> 2:34:09.480 couple of months, all that stuff gone right, Yeah, you 2:34:09.560 --> 2:34:13.320 can find some gems and one last personal plug if 2:34:13.320 --> 2:34:16.160 you don't mind. I got a really cool personal book 2:34:16.200 --> 2:34:18.920 that I've been making, um and it's gonna be coming 2:34:18.959 --> 2:34:21.320 out this November. All the pre sales, pre sales out now. 2:34:21.360 --> 2:34:25.000 But yeah, it's called field Notes for Food Adventure and 2:34:25.080 --> 2:34:27.920 it's uh yeah, shot. It took a year. It was hard, 2:34:28.280 --> 2:34:32.080 but it was amazing and it was just Bradley field Notes, 2:34:32.560 --> 2:34:34.880 field Notes for Food Adventure for Food Adventure. Is that 2:34:34.920 --> 2:34:38.480 pre sale at the publisher's website or yeah, all those Yeah, 2:34:38.520 --> 2:34:42.120 it's everywhere and and it's Yeah, it's out you know, 2:34:42.200 --> 2:34:45.320 from New Jersey to Maine, you know, from seaweed foraging 2:34:45.640 --> 2:34:48.520 and shellfish foraging and recipes that go with it. We 2:34:48.640 --> 2:34:52.120 do some fermentation, we do ramping. It's a chapter called 2:34:52.160 --> 2:34:55.400 Dear Dad where we go you know, making venison sausage 2:34:55.440 --> 2:34:58.040 and stuff like that, and recipes that go with it. Uh, 2:34:58.120 --> 2:35:02.080 some good old saltwater fish and maples maple see her production. Yeah, 2:35:02.160 --> 2:35:03.800 you went there and like shot all kind of like 2:35:03.879 --> 2:35:05.520 the videos I kind of do, like in a book 2:35:05.520 --> 2:35:07.520 about it, you know, I can. It's got my family 2:35:07.560 --> 2:35:09.680 in a little bit and uh, you know that guy 2:35:09.720 --> 2:35:11.600 that I was fishing with, Vinny, he's in it, you know, 2:35:11.760 --> 2:35:13.240 and awesome. Yeah. I just did a lot of cool 2:35:13.240 --> 2:35:15.480 stuff throughout the Northeast. So if you're into that, check 2:35:15.520 --> 2:35:18.360 it out. A lot of really cool photos. Did you 2:35:18.400 --> 2:35:20.680 come up something good for that dumpster diving video? Yet? Phil? 2:35:20.720 --> 2:35:23.520 I see you looking and thinking, well, yeah, I well, 2:35:23.560 --> 2:35:25.440 he mentioned Oscar the Grouch. I'm trying to see if 2:35:25.440 --> 2:35:26.960 I can. I'm thinking about how I can running on that. 2:35:27.600 --> 2:35:29.960 Are there any sest me street songs I can sample? 2:35:30.120 --> 2:35:32.600 And that's how a creative man works down there. I 2:35:32.640 --> 2:35:34.720 could always turn you want to see how creative man 2:35:34.800 --> 2:35:37.879 works down that way? That easy. I got a head 2:35:37.920 --> 2:35:40.440 of the favorite favorite to ask a brad. So I 2:35:40.520 --> 2:35:43.160 have this ice breaker that I've like endlessly annoyed people 2:35:43.200 --> 2:35:46.039 in my circle with. I bring it up often huge 2:35:46.040 --> 2:35:48.840 the huge glass thing. Nope, no different, that was like 2:35:49.240 --> 2:35:52.240 that was like college era Spencer. This is like recent. 2:35:52.440 --> 2:35:55.120 I still bug people this question. I asked him what 2:35:55.200 --> 2:35:57.760 the U S state is that they think about the least? 2:35:59.040 --> 2:36:01.400 It's ever like yours answer, because then like three answers 2:36:01.480 --> 2:36:03.400 later be like, oh, actually it's this one. I never 2:36:03.440 --> 2:36:05.520 think about this one. It's a great question, man, I 2:36:05.640 --> 2:36:08.959 love it. I'd love to play it sometime with you guys. Anyway, 2:36:09.320 --> 2:36:12.640 the most common answer I get is Connecticut. Oh I 2:36:12.720 --> 2:36:15.119 believe that. So why why should folks think of Connecticut? 2:36:15.160 --> 2:36:16.920 Do some pr work for them? Oh? I can answer 2:36:16.920 --> 2:36:18.840 you right now. I think it's a great topic because 2:36:18.920 --> 2:36:21.440 I felt that way for the longest time. Connecticut just 2:36:21.560 --> 2:36:23.520 to drive through state, I almost don't want to give 2:36:23.560 --> 2:36:26.280 it up, right, but like whatever it's, you don't want 2:36:26.320 --> 2:36:29.720 to spot burn Connecticut. It's a gem like it's you know, 2:36:29.800 --> 2:36:31.959 like it was always just like in the way a few, 2:36:32.040 --> 2:36:34.160 like another two hours until you got to a cool 2:36:34.240 --> 2:36:37.560 state like New Hampshire, Rhode Island from Maine. I mean 2:36:37.640 --> 2:36:39.959 those they are awesome. Everyone's going up there for con 2:36:40.160 --> 2:36:45.240 vacation land, you know. And but Connecticut there's it's just 2:36:45.360 --> 2:36:47.480 as beautiful. And where I'm at, it's like it's right 2:36:47.600 --> 2:36:50.320 at the on the border Rhode Island, and it's right 2:36:50.360 --> 2:36:52.840 where it starts to become you know, ocean, and it's 2:36:52.879 --> 2:36:56.840 just i mean really nice, active, small agricult a lot 2:36:56.920 --> 2:36:58.880 of farm not a dairy, a lot of cattle, a 2:36:58.920 --> 2:37:01.600 lot of sheep, lot of like ease is a seaweed 2:37:01.680 --> 2:37:04.400 farmers and um, just a lot of really cool things 2:37:04.480 --> 2:37:07.240 happening out there. And and it's kind of like slept 2:37:07.280 --> 2:37:08.960 on a little bit, you know. It's and it's not 2:37:09.000 --> 2:37:11.280 in the middle of nowhere like mystics of town there. 2:37:11.360 --> 2:37:15.640 Providences is super close international airports, only like thirty five minutes. 2:37:15.840 --> 2:37:17.760 But then I'm you know, it's but then I'm sitting 2:37:17.760 --> 2:37:20.039 in the middle of nowhere, ten minutes from the ocean. 2:37:21.760 --> 2:37:27.920 That's a good answer, but it sucks. Stay away. Yeah, alright, 2:37:27.959 --> 2:37:30.840 brad Leoni, thanks for having me, man, Thanks thanks for 2:37:30.879 --> 2:37:34.199 coming on what did he get as a fisherman? Six five? 2:37:34.800 --> 2:37:39.040 Oh as a fisherman? I think it was six five 2:37:39.160 --> 2:37:48.280 brad Leon six point five Mountain White Fisherman. There's five podcast? Yes, 2:37:48.440 --> 2:37:52.560 I'm doing nine point five? You got you guys? Do 2:37:52.560 --> 2:37:54.880 you guys score people? Just starting Jesse? What do you 2:37:54.879 --> 2:37:57.600 give him? Podcast? You like to throw around these numbers Chester, 2:37:59.200 --> 2:38:03.120 um guest, I'm not as probably good at rating podcast, 2:38:03.240 --> 2:38:14.760 but I would say n boys, that's a phenomenal sport. 2:38:15.959 --> 2:38:21.920 Room for improvement, always, always, every category. That's going to 2:38:21.959 --> 2:38:25.000 be the name of my new show room. All right, 2:38:25.040 --> 2:38:25.840 thanks guys, thank you,