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Speaker 1: All right, everybody joined today? Uh, Brad leone's here. Explain

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Speaker 1: what's in front of you, Brad. Yeah, So I brought

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Speaker 1: pretty sure they just go to Japan, don't they go?

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Speaker 1: Like you can catch a blue fen. You don't really

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Speaker 1: Oh and they take a little don't they take like

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Speaker 1: and then wicked Wicked wicked tuna. Right. They bring it

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Speaker 1: I haven't known him long enough to give him a ten,

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Speaker 1: But while we got you, Brad, then we'll introduce some

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Speaker 1: other folks. Um talk about what like who you are? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so names Bradley One grew up in northern New Jersey

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Speaker 1: more than a few. I'll point out. I believe it

421
00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,840
Speaker 1: forms like this. I looked down on occasion. I believe

422
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:55,320
Speaker 1: it forms like this. Volcano erupts, engulfs a tree, hardens

423
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:59,240
Speaker 1: around the tree, but the tree burns away, leaving a cavity.

424
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:07,280
Speaker 1: Water precipitates through that, and or no water comes through that,

425
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,119
Speaker 1: and the particulate matter whatever in the water that is

426
00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:17,920
Speaker 1: left behind through this process turns into an egg You

427
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:22,399
Speaker 1: got it? Yeah, and and uh if the process like

428
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 1: doesn't finish, you get petrified wood. And if it like completes,

429
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 1: you get a Montana moss egget And you'll find some

430
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 1: rocks that are both. They were like caught in purgatory

431
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,879
Speaker 1: between age and petrified wood. Those are those are some

432
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 1: specialist pieces. That's fascinating. Ice know a guy named Ray

433
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:42,240
Speaker 1: the Rockman Baker, and he had he was a professional

434
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,639
Speaker 1: get hunter. He had a five gallon bucket full of

435
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:51,120
Speaker 1: mammoth teeth whoa because by catch and he would pile

436
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 1: up these aggets and then if he had a good

437
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 1: feeling about one, and Spencer is going to get into

438
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 1: this too, if you had a good feeling about one,

439
00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:00,080
Speaker 1: he would cut it with the bands, all right, m

440
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,200
Speaker 1: and then he and then you'd lay like holy cow, like,

441
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 1: here's a gem grade tell us the story, jem grade

442
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 1: eggs that tell us the story. Don't you cut it?

443
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 1: You don't want it all cracked up? You just like

444
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 1: exposing what might be a cooler aesthetic on the inside.

445
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,680
Speaker 1: Have you taken the cutting ars and half yet? Oh? Yeah, yeah,

446
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,680
Speaker 1: I probably caught I don't know, twenty rocks or so.

447
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 1: Um we've made like book ends with them. Really? Yeah?

448
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,680
Speaker 1: What do you got a wet saw or something? Yeah,

449
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,639
Speaker 1: it's a tile saw. So the same thing you'd use

450
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 1: if you were going to, like, uh, put a back

451
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 1: splash on your your kitchen. Less productive. Do you feel

452
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 1: like you might do you feel like you. Is it

453
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 1: kind of in your mind that you're gonna craft me

454
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 1: up books and book ends or something? Is that not? Yes,

455
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,159
Speaker 1: that's like you're saying your wife, Like you're laying in

456
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 1: bed at night. You're like, you know what I might do?

457
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,239
Speaker 1: That's cool. I just haven't found the right Steve Rock yet,

458
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 1: free rock. Maybe at the time it's coming. It's coming. Man.

459
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 1: What's nice about the Yellowstone too? Is it? It's cold

460
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,400
Speaker 1: water and so those rocks aren't growing a bunch of algae.

461
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 1: That water comes down and so you get you get,

462
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,400
Speaker 1: you get a better look at what that rock y got.

463
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 1: Trail cams opals rock no Chester Chester. You used a

464
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 1: guide on the Yellastone said that every lunch break with

465
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,360
Speaker 1: clients they would look for rocks. Yeah, past the time

466
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,679
Speaker 1: and and just to get away from the folks if

467
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 1: you didn't really cis is that what you're doing yesterday? No?

468
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:28,479
Speaker 1: We should um, but we should have won rock Hounting.

469
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 1: I was going to say that, but yeah, if you

470
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 1: want to find get some rocks, just talk to a

471
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 1: few fishing guides and you'd be set for life. Just

472
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 1: most of the time at lunch, clients are sitting there

473
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 1: eating lunch and fishing guides off, either picking rocks or

474
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 1: smoking something in the bushes. Both sound great smoking fish. No, uh, Chester,

475
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: we found out you got a new nickname now, chest

476
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 1: CHESTI there from from rowing that boat. What it does

477
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 1: do a man's pectoral muscles. You were looking good, Uncle

478
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 1: Chestie on that boat, right all. I never really thought

479
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 1: about it. If you do that every damn day, I'm

480
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 1: getting a little soft I imagine now that you quit. Yeah. Yeah,

481
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,640
Speaker 1: like if every day you said you had spend six

482
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 1: hours on a rowing machine, six days a week, Yeah,

483
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: I had you get pretty chested, pretty good triangle going,

484
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 1: you know, from my shoulders down to the waist. And oh,

485
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: because that was massage. And Chester as he rode acting

486
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 1: like I was missogy in him, but actually I was like,

487
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,479
Speaker 1: holy ship, mostly little shoulders from rowing that boat all

488
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 1: over damn place. Yeah that was nice. I appreciate it. Yeah,

489
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 1: you thought it was massage, and I was more like

490
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 1: probing because it just it occurred to me all of

491
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: a sudden, what that would do to a fellow. Yeah,

492
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 1: that much rowing, that's not a workplace environment. And you

493
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 1: get just anywhere. We're on a hell of a boat,

494
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that it's a lot of trust. So speaking,

495
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 1: we're talking about sea Robin speaking of trash fish. And

496
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: we return to this minute after we talked about a

497
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: few things. Um, we're fishing. We're out targeting mountain the

498
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 1: mountain whitefish. And Chester Uh was taking us down a

499
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: stretch of river. He knows real well because he guided

500
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 1: it professionally for years and has floated it enough times

501
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 1: where he's like, up ahead, you'll notice a rock, you know, Um,

502
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: and Uh gave us a rating. Oh, but I wanted

503
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: can you explain your old nickname? How you became to

504
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: be not Chester the investor, but Chester the tester. Sure, yeah, Bratt,

505
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 1: I have too many. I don't know, not too many

506
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: nick names, but a lot of them. When I was

507
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: a young kid, Um, I would sit on the table

508
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: my parents kitchen and a little I'm going back here. Actually,

509
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 1: my my dad grew mushrooms for a living in Wisconsin,

510
00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: white Button Chitaki, Portabella. Um, and he sold that business

511
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 1: to his brothers and started pickling the mushrooms. And I

512
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 1: would sit on that table. I know. That's what I

513
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: want you to explain this better. He sold it, but

514
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: then he sold his brother, but then became a client

515
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,479
Speaker 1: of his brother. Correct. Yes, they weren't business partners in pickling.

516
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: We're not business partners in pickling. They did use their

517
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: mushrooms for a while, but um, they stopped using them,

518
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: not because of bad blood or anything, because they didn't

519
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: grow rooms. They harvested them too late. You want really

520
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: small white button mushrooms for when you're pickling, and he

521
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: was pursuing a different just a smaller white button like

522
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: that Italian marinated for a non pickling market, garragus by sports.

523
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: That's the white button. And um, anyways, they would test

524
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: all these recipes in the kitchen they were originally going

525
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: to do like some like a jam company, and then

526
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 1: they started pickling the mushrooms. And I would sit on

527
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: that table as a little kid and pop these pickle

528
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: mushrooms in my mouth and I really came. I really

529
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: liked the Classic Sweet, which is one of their top sellers,

530
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: so I was deemed the Chester to the tester back then.

531
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: It's incredible. So yeah, but I gotta send some pickle

532
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: mushrooms here. Yeah, please do it, man. I love a

533
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: good pick like a marinated kind of pickled mushroom straight

534
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 1: up there they do different ones, some classic sweet which

535
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: is just you know, sugar vinegar um, and then they

536
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: do some bergamo um spiced ones um. You know. Chester's

537
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: family produces as well. Is you can buy cocktail sets,

538
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: oh like like a little like bitters and stuff. Yeah,

539
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: but it's all this like the old pickle stuff and

540
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: this and that, and so you get a box like

541
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: a gift box and it comes and it's like everything

542
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: you need to make crazy ass cocktails for the holiday.

543
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: Can't throw a plug in for him getting there. Forest

544
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: floor foods, Forest Floor Foods, eating Wisconsin good name, so

545
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: you could get like a like a Manhattan kid, know,

546
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: an old no sorry, an old fashioned kid Wisconsin old

547
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: fashion sugarcubes, pickled this, pickled that, candy this pickled that,

548
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 1: all in the box family and entrepreneurs over there. Chester

549
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: the Tester. One of the reasons you got a lot

550
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: of nicknames is because a lot of ship rhymes of Chester. Yeah,

551
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: that's true, definitely. And you're likable, you know, like it's

552
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: like I feel like that's like a compliment. Like no

553
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: one gives nicknames to people that they don't like, really,

554
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: at least in person, never had a nickname. No one

555
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: gives me a nickname, so that well, yeah, because like

556
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: the best you do is bred the dad. Yeah, I

557
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: blame my parents. My name sucks like barbarous Brad Barbe's

558
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: bread the first one ever. I think I might even

559
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: no good rhymes for Steve right now, you gotta make

560
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: it longer. It's like Steve Arino. Yeah, you do that,

561
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: but that's not fun. It was short in a Torino

562
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: I invented to fight moves called the Steve Arino. I

563
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: hope I never see him. No, you don't want to see.

564
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: One involves your teeth. One involves your going ads. Yeah, um,

565
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: I put that together. Jester. Uh, you gave us a

566
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,719
Speaker 1: rating on the boat. Yes, that's what I'd like to explore.

567
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: That's why I've invited you here today. I don't know

568
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: how we ever came to that because they don't give ratings,

569
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: so maybe I wasn't very good at the ratings. But

570
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: my thought process when you guys are fishing is ten

571
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: is ten is as good as you can get. Like

572
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: you can't get much, you can't get any better than ten?

573
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: Right would you be at Oh? When he goes and

574
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do how he did it? He heard his

575
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: feelings Chester. He goes seven, like as though, as he's

576
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: gonna come in like a seven nine, right, seven in

577
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: just seven. So he's like he's so he's being so precise,

578
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: He's gonna like give me like a decimal, right, But

579
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: they're like, thinks about it changes his mind? Was that

580
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: that was a total bullshit. It ruined my whole day.

581
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: I'm sorry about that seven. And he's hing all the

582
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: subcategories to come to his conclusion. I feel he's actually

583
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: thinking about it and rates me. You had fishing mountain

584
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: whitefish at a seven, and it turns around it gives

585
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: Brad like not much worse than me. I did have

586
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: a lot of missed half today being tangled up. Maybe

587
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: not half today, maybe alright, a couple of good primo spots,

588
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: but Chester was crowding the water anyway. I'm sure there's

589
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: a lot of subcategories in there, and he's doing the

590
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: tallies and perhaps the bird nest like don't rank as

591
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: significantly as just a good attitude. Yeah you know what. Yeah,

592
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: he's like, no, it's a it's a hit, but it's

593
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: not a big hit to bird nest. So what was

594
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: Brad's rating like a six? Nine or something like that.

595
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: It was, I think it was. It was like six five.

596
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: I took it with a smile. The difference between the

597
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: six five and seven it's not much big. No, it's

598
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: big in my mind. It's big in your mind. It

599
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: is not. But if you were to like pop into

600
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: my mind, you'd probably be like, oh, yeah, I'm happy

601
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: with the seven right now. Well, I did two things.

602
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: At first, I retaliated, and that's the one, the rate

603
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: Chester as a rower. And then I gave him super

604
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: low rating as a rower, just to just to hurt

605
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: his feelings. Later in the day, I turned around and

606
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: thought I would demonstrate generosity and I rated him as

607
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: a ten and left it at that. Which of those

608
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: two approaches of mine was more effective Chester hurting you

609
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: or demonstrating to you how to be generous? Um probably

610
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: hurting me a little bit. Yeah, No, it actually didn't

611
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: at all. I remember when you when you did the

612
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: ten rating, I bumped you up to seven point to five.

613
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: So what could they improve on? Yeah, I mean we

614
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: all can improve on stuff, right, like, so like I

615
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: go into it, but just everything right, Like, we can

616
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: all get better at casting, we can all get better

617
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: at reading the water. We can all get better at

618
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: setting a hook. Let's get one specific thing that Brad

619
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: can take home. Mm hmm. Brad's casting was pretty darn

620
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: good for not doing it much. Um, just being a

621
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: little more patient on the back cast, letting that rod

622
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: do the work less less of you know, human force.

623
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: Just that's what the fly rod is like a spring, right,

624
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: So if you're patient on that cast and let that

625
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: line roll out all the way behind you before you

626
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: bring it forward, do you feel to give you a

627
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: little tug, little tug back. So I wasn't letting it

628
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: spool load up all the way. I was coming back

629
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: a little premature, and I think yeah, And I think

630
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: that was because, like it's exciting when you're out there,

631
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: you want to get it back in the water. And

632
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: maybe maybe that's not true, especially with that bank flying

633
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: past you. Yeah, and we're moving him crowding the water,

634
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: him crowding the primo whitefish water. No, I'm just joshing

635
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: you boat. You put the boat over some whitefish holes.

636
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. It's like, here's Chester's problem and identified

637
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: it for him. Chester has was for a long time

638
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: as a trout guide, okay, and he was money focused,

639
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: and he knew that if he took a client out

640
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: and the client catches a big trout, Chester gets a

641
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: big tip. And that worked its way deep into his psyche. Okay,

642
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: so even if you say to Chester, we're fishing whitefish,

643
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: something deep in his like reptilian brain want he can't

644
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: help himself with position that boat for trout. I got

645
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: a little you know, and and a lot of times

646
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: just couldn't help himself. And you you know that that

647
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: whitefish is laying like where he's gonna lay, and that's

648
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: kind of like under the gunnal because he wants you

649
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: upward those where he thinks those big browns are lurking.

650
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: What I did there was I could tell Brad had

651
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: a little itch to catch some a few trout, and

652
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: I could tell Steve really just wanted to catch whitefish.

653
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: So I tried to play this little happy medium game

654
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: away from the bank. I think we did all right.

655
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: Sometimes there's a big difference in the water between the

656
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: back of the boat and the front of the boat too.

657
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: You can definitely, yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, just

658
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: a real quick uh after you guided fisherman for how long?

659
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: Since two thousand twelve? What somewhere right around in there,

660
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: what's the biggest like just in very general terms, what

661
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: is the biggest uh mistake or flaw you come to

662
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,439
Speaker 1: see with angers? Like if you could give one piece

663
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: of universal advice to fisherman, it would be what this

664
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: is going to sound like, Yeah, well of course, but

665
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: it's so true. It's spend your time with your bait,

666
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: your flies or whatever in the water because a lot

667
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 1: of people get out there, they're messing around with their rods,

668
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: they're trying to get to the spot, and if you

669
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: actually think about it, their lines were only in the

670
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 1: water for an hour and a half out of six

671
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: hour day because they spend so much time messing around.

672
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: So having your stuff dialed and ready to go is

673
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: key because you'll just have it in the water in

674
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: front of the fish's face. Like the less false casting

675
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: when you're fly fishing, the better just pick it up,

676
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: get it in there, and try and keep it in

677
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: there as long as you can, and it just ups

678
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: your odds like you wouldn't believe. I'll tell you a

679
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: story about that. But lines in the water is when

680
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: Cal and I were fishing in Hawaii this year, we

681
00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: were doing something pretty close to the harbor. Um it

682
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: just got like the end of the day, just gonna

683
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: zip into the harbor, be done for the day. Is

684
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: that that lineback? Didn't you wa who on the way in?

685
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: Like just not like you know what I mean, just

686
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: like an afterthought almost the line ain't gonna catch anything

687
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: in the boat. Yeah, that was you said, Hawaii. That

688
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: was That was great. It happened so fast that the

689
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: first was like I screwed up the reel, Like how

690
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: did I do that? That's amazing? That's great, man, that's

691
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: like a significant like click reels Like, yeah, the first

692
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: thing I thought, I thought, he's something up, broke something right,

693
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: because like there's no other way to explain why that

694
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: reels going, you know. And you guys landed that fish

695
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 1: right out in front of the Marena. You had some

696
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: of that fish last night. It was delicious. Yea and

697
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: Chester in your defense, but you you got us on

698
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: the fish man. We went out there to catch a

699
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: lot of white fish, and we did. At some point

700
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: we even said, hey, listen, we don't need to catch anymore.

701
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: Let's try We switched over and tried to catch a

702
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: couple a couple of trout, which we did so if

703
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: I had to rate you, because I don't think I

704
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: did yesterday and I don't have a lot of experience.

705
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: Was my first river fly fishing, uh drift but tend

706
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: being this like thing that you know, this unicorn that

707
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: maybe doesn't exist. I had three in there. You know,

708
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: I'd give you a good eight to in general angling,

709
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: I fished a lot of like a lot of circumstances.

710
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: I would put Chester higher. Yeah, just general cat nine angling,

711
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: very high. Put a number to it. It was. It

712
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: was a blast, though, I mean having having Bobbers go

713
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: down and catch him whitefish, Like a lot of people

714
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: do not like that for some odd reason. They don't

715
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: like catching whitefish. But man, it's fun, just cattish. And

716
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up, Chester because it kind

717
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: of reminded me of something a friend of mine told me.

718
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: And it just really it resonates. You know. It's like

719
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: that first fish that Bobber goes down and before the

720
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: client or the person fishing, you know, knows, they still

721
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: hoping it's this big brown trouter abo and then when

722
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: this white fish comes up, how many times you hear like,

723
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: you know, like a little disappointment, But as you were

724
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 1: fighting it, you feel you had this grin on ear

725
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,479
Speaker 1: to ear like you were a kid, you know, catching

726
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: your first fish. And I just hate that when it's

727
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: like you get disappointed when it's not like the the

728
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: Instagram picture fish that you wanted, you know, and and

729
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: the white fish, I mean that was just that they

730
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: don't come. They weren't jumping out of the water doing

731
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 1: these crazy areals. But there were a ton of fun

732
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 1: to catch, and then we end up cooking a bunch

733
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: of them and they were just phenomenal. I just give

734
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: me whitefish any day. It was so much better than

735
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: I thought they were gonna be. My favorite thing about

736
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: that kind of fishing is um and we're like we're

737
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: drifted down a river in a drift boat fishing nymphs

738
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: under the water with a float bobber, and you know,

739
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: inevitably you hook some bottom, you hook logs, you heard

740
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: some rocks. But it's like when you tighten up on

741
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: a hip and you feel the resistance, but you also

742
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: realize that it moved in a familiar way. That's that

743
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: Like that moment is what I like. It's there, but

744
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: then like it does something, yeah there, Like it doesn't

745
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: get old. Another another former fishing guide that we work with,

746
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: was saying that this is a dang good year to

747
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: not be guiding on the yellow Stille because of the

748
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: hood owl instriction restrictions that are sure to come and

749
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: uh like the heat wave we have coming up. Do

750
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: you share that sentence? Yeah, I mean for people that

751
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: don't know these rivers out here, once they hit I

752
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: think it's around seventy degree water temps um, you want

753
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: to shut the rivers down because with all this pressure,

754
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: shut the rivers down to fishing at a certain time.

755
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: They call it a hood owl. So at two o'clock

756
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: a hood owl, a hoot owl. Yeah, yeah, they need

757
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: to rebrand it. Yeah, so you just can you can

758
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: fish in the mornings. Um, but they don't want you

759
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: fishing when that water gets above that certain temperature just

760
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: because it's really hard on the fishing and can kill them.

761
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: And it's a really low water year. So I mean

762
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: usually the Yellowstone is the last river out here to

763
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: kind of be put in a hoodo. But um, the

764
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: way things are going, it's probably gonna be a pretty

765
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 1: warm year for these fish. And and I would say,

766
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: if if you fancy yourself angler and you want to

767
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: keep fishing during those times, you should really switch over

768
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 1: from catching release to catch and keep like alm instead

769
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: of going letting thirty of them go. Yeah, you're gonna

770
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: be killing a high percentage of fish. I mean, even

771
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: when those tamps are in the sixties. Yeah, And I

772
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: think if you are fishing, then it's like if you're

773
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 1: gonna release, fight them fast, like a lot of people

774
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: like to keep him on and it's just like get

775
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 1: him in the boat and in the mornings when it's

776
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: still cool, you can release him. If you're fighting them fast,

777
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: fight him fast, unhook him, get him back. You're still

778
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: killing fish. If you go and you're feeling all good

779
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: about yourself, you let it's it's warm out and you

780
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: let twenty trout go. That day you killed a bunch

781
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: of trout. You just did so what They just can't

782
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: recover the stress of the of the catch exactly. It's

783
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: it's worse. And trout are sensitive, I mean, like you

784
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: know they they've done these like mortality things with large

785
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: mouth bass. I mean, you still got it, you know

786
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: you got you should handle them gently and all that,

787
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: but um, they're not nearly as susceptible. They're not nearly

788
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: as susceptible as trout to our trouar like are very

789
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: fragile in hot temperatures, cold water, high oxygen or or death. Right.

790
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: I mean, they don't, they don't. They don't do well.

791
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: But you know, you talked to bass guys and they'll

792
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: look at them afterward and it's just hard to um.

793
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to say you should go stick your

794
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: finger over their gills and all that, but they're they're tougher.

795
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: But you're glad you're out of the guiding game for

796
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: this summer. Chester. Yeah, yeah, definitely. I mean it's really

797
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: busy out there, and uh, I'm kinda kind of had

798
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: my time. I'm happy, happy where I'm at, so but yeah,

799
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a rough year. I think. I feel

800
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: like there is it kind of a young man's game,

801
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: or young person's game for that matter. You know, I'm

802
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: sure there's so some older folks that just you know,

803
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: go for you know, forty fifty years or something, but

804
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: you know, just being on the boat with you for

805
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: a day, doing that every day, I'm sure it's like

806
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: when it's when it's go time, It's like guys are

807
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: probably out there as much as possible, right, like making Hey,

808
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: when it shines, I could see that, you know, being

809
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: being taxing. It's not an easy job. It's fun, right,

810
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: but you're working. Yeah, definitely. I mean, I do know

811
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: some guys that are really old and they've done it

812
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: for a long time, and I'm surprised that they keep

813
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: on going. But young man's game for sure, because they

814
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: get you get bitter, yeah, bitter and kind of lazy.

815
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: A lot of those old guys they kind of just

816
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: went through the motions after a while and they'd still

817
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: catch fish. But um, definitely a young man's game. You

818
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 1: know what Chester told me to um is that after lunchtime,

819
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: people get sluggish. It starts to get warm, they eat

820
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: to lunch. They always think the fishing got worse. They

821
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: don't realize that they're in a their comatose such slow

822
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 1: down own. Yeah, that's universal because they're not. They're not.

823
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: They're just kind of like I think that's why it's

824
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: smart to really have like kind of a light a

825
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: light lunch. Right, you go bring some big like Italian

826
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: sub and a bag of chips, and you know what

827
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like that's gonna put you down, you know,

828
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: I feel like that you need something just lean like sushi.

829
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: I know it's not like the best boat thing to

830
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: bring around, but I forgot about her sushi. Oh I

831
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: got it, and I'm plugging it. And that, you know,

832
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:26,760
Speaker 1: something that can keep you kind of like a protein,

833
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: a little carbohydrate, you know, but not like fill you up.

834
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: The bread is kind of the enemy, I think when

835
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: when you're fishing. Yeah, that's that's break up. Break out

836
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: those open face sandwiches. You don't want to do the

837
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: clothes face of lunch. That's a good fishing trip. Reduced

838
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: the reduced the bread by a half. You catch a

839
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: hell of a lot more fish. You catch more fish.

840
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 1: There you go. I solved it. Uh okay, everybody, remember

841
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: that what precipitated that long conversation was me pointing out

842
00:43:53,640 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: about Spencer being titilated. No doubt how he will become

843
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: titilated when we turned to stream access because of the

844
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: implications for his rock hounding. And I have a feeling

845
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: as well. Then when we're talking about low water and

846
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 1: all the bad things about that, when it comes to

847
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: agricultural irrigation that hurts that hurts fish. He's over there

848
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: licking his lips thinking about all those rocks, previously unexposed

849
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 1: rocks he's going to pick through during the global end

850
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 1: times of low water. So another low here, here's another

851
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: river access issue. A lot of people, I should say

852
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 1: a lot handful of people wrote in about this. Years ago,

853
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: I wrote a book and a big part of the

854
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: book the book is called American Buffalo and it had

855
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: kind of like two things that made it happen. I

856
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: found a skull, So I found a buffalo skull um

857
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: at a high elevation. It was like a really nice skull.

858
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: And I explored this skull a lot, and I explored

859
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: the history of the species and all that. But another

860
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 1: big part of the book is I drew a permit

861
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 1: to uh A, drew a limited draw permit to hunt

862
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: for a buffalo um in the area the wrangle St.

863
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: Elias and Alaska. And we've got a lot of people

864
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: writing in about this because when you have this this permit,

865
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: I think the permit number is called d I four

866
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: or five four. If you were to be if you

867
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 1: were to draw d I four or five four um

868
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: you and you get to looking at a map, you

869
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 1: realize there's a real problem. You have to access the

870
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: hunt area along the river and and most of the

871
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: things along the river is Native corporations. So in Alaska,

872
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: like tribes are formed into corporations, and these corporations have shareholders,

873
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 1: which is tribal members, and they're into all manner of businesses.

874
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: They could be logging, mining, um, tourism things. You know.

875
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: They have investments all over the world, uh a lot

876
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: of extraction industry and other stuff. And they're managed on

877
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: the lands are managed on behalf of these shareholders. At

878
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: the time that I drew the permit and wrote the book, Um,

879
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 1: there was no way you could go on ott in

880
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 1: the land to hunt right. You had to find and

881
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 1: if you look at a map, they owned the ott

882
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: in the land. The Native corporation land is like a

883
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: corridor on each bank of the river and it's and

884
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: it's hard to find little avenues to get up into

885
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: the wrangle Saint Elias to hunt um without trespassing on

886
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,720
Speaker 1: Ottna land. You kind of gotta walk up creep bottoms

887
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: and stuff like that to get in there. Then for years,

888
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: uh Otna started this program after I had the PERMITTA

889
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: started this program where they would sell trespassing rights. They

890
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: sold for a lot of money, but I think a

891
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: lot of guys bought it. You could it was like

892
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 1: a thousand bucks. So if you drew d I four

893
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: five four, you could write a check to the Native

894
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: Corporation for a thousand bucks and they would allow you

895
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: to trespass and hunt at in the land. And it

896
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: became like a lot of people's avenue to hunt. Otna

897
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: just now here, here's nothing I'll point out. Um. I

898
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: used to run ads and like the Anchorage Daily News,

899
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: they would run ads basically saying like, hey, hunters, don't

900
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: go on our land, like reminding you not to go

901
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: on their land to hunt. Um. They just issued a

902
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: press release staying there there, so they're not allowing access

903
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: on their lands and they're not selling hunting access. And

904
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 1: a lot of people rolled in like, oh, the world's

905
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: coming to an end. Um. I think they have short

906
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: memories because for super long time you couldn't either, then

907
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: you could for a short period of time, and now

908
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: you can't again. I don't think the world's coming to

909
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: an end. I think it's kind of like it's just

910
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: where it was people hunting that damn people been people

911
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: been hunting that hunt successful. I mean, it's it's the

912
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 1: success rates are very low, but a lot of people

913
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: don't even show up. Like the year I had, they

914
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: gave out twenty four permits and four of us got one,

915
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: low success rate. I don't think it's low because of that. Now,

916
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: do you think they shut it down? Because sure they had,

917
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: say the twenty folks that had permission, but then some

918
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: folks just saw that as like, well, the frege. You

919
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: know they're doing it, so we can just kind of

920
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: tail into it. And I have no idea why it

921
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: might be the shareholders felt that the interruption wasn't worth

922
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: the money. I don't I have no idea why it

923
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 1: would be interesting to know. I don't know. I don't

924
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 1: not I'm not like curious enough to really find out.

925
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: I don't know that they don't have any obligation to

926
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 1: explain why it's private land. They don't want to sell

927
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: the permits anymore. But I just think that I don't

928
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 1: think you can look at that and say that it's

929
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: indicative of anything, because it's private property. It's not like

930
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 1: a closure of because in Alaska they're also right now

931
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:49,760
Speaker 1: facing like very serious closures of federally managed public lands

932
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 1: to hunting. That's something to get in our open arms about.

933
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: But you just don't have any control of what they want.

934
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: It's it's their property, it's their land. They're gonna do

935
00:48:58,520 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: it or not do it. But I don't think it's

936
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: emblemat of some broader thing. But it brings up this

937
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: stream access stuff because you can to get through this

938
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: narrow buffer, and in some places this buffer is like

939
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: a couple hundred yards on either side. To get through it,

940
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: you get into a stream and you put waiters on

941
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 1: and weighed up that stream to get across the buffer,

942
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: and then you can go where the hell you want.

943
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: I think about that. Where's my interest meter? I'll turn it? Oh,

944
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: I mean I think that is the thing with stream access, right, Like,

945
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 1: that's why it's such an important rule to fight for. Why,

946
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: in my opinion, the folks in New Mexico need to

947
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: like really get after the Fishing Game Commission is those

948
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: The reason that commerce stream commerce was included in the

949
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: Constitution of the United States is the fact that those

950
00:49:55,239 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: waterways are a vital mode of transportation and always have been,

951
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: and if you're like to hunting fish, they remain vital

952
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: modes of transportation. Even beyond that, if you're a savvy

953
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: like bird watcher, mushroom picker or whatever. Like it is

954
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 1: a means, it's a road, it's the highway. Yeah, exactly.

955
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: If you're sitting there wondering what hells call time on

956
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: New Mexico, all of a sudden, Well, because we're gonna

957
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: be joined right now, real quick, and this is all

958
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 1: this is all gonna become relevant. We're gonna be joined

959
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 1: right now, real quick by Senator Martin Heinrich, who has

960
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: been on the show before. He's a senator. He likes

961
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: to hunting fish. You go into his office, you've been

962
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: in his office in d C. I have, yeah, all

963
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: kind of skulls and hides and stuff hanging around. Oh yeah,

964
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 1: no doubt, no doubt. It has cost him. He's probably

965
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 1: gained from it. It's probably cost him. Yeah, I imagine it. Uh,

966
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: if you were a truly savvy politician, you would uh

967
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: not lay any cards out on the table. No, you'd

968
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: be like, I am a blank sheet of paper. Well,

969
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: he lays him out hard. Yeah, he's got horns and

970
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 1: antlers and it's great. Uh, we're gonna talk about a

971
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: stream access issue in New Mexico right now. But um,

972
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: he's gonna explain what's going on there, and then we're

973
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: gonna tell you as well about why it matters to you. Okay,

974
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 1: we're joined uh joining here right now by Senator Martin

975
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:40,399
Speaker 1: Heinrich from New Mexico. Longtime, longtime friend of the show.

976
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: I've hunted with the Senator um. First off, first question.

977
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: We're talking about river access, stream access rules like the Okay,

978
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: picture this for a minute, just to set the stage.

979
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: You the listener picture of this picture that you go

980
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: down to a boat launch on a river or on

981
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: a lake, let's say, and you launch your boat. So

982
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: you go to the boat launch, you launch your boat,

983
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: and then you float down the river, or you cruise

984
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 1: along the shoreline, and all of a sudden, you're not

985
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: out in front of the river access anymore. You're out

986
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: in front of some dude's house, or you're out in

987
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 1: front of a business, or you're floating down the river.

988
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: And you're going down the river and on the right

989
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: hand side is private property, it's homes. And on the

990
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: left hand side, it's private property, it's homes. How is

991
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: it that you're allowed to be in the river, even

992
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: though one could argue that you're floating through private land.

993
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 1: Many of us grow up live our lives doing this

994
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: without ever stopping to ask the question, Hey, why is

995
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: it I'm allowed to float down the river? Um? Some

996
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: people know in certain states, they know that that's a

997
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: hell of a lot more complicated than it is in

998
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: most states. And we're gonna look at a a microcosm

999
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: of some rules and potential rule all changes in New Mexico,

1000
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: which is remains relevant to whether you live in New

1001
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 1: Mexico or not, because we're gonna talk about Hobbl's rules

1002
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: exist challenges to those rules, and so it's not like

1003
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: so much New Mexico news. It's kind of American news.

1004
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,280
Speaker 1: But we're looking at a case in New Mexico. But first,

1005
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: Senator Henri, did you draw any um sweet hunting tags

1006
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: for New Mexico this year? One I got I've got

1007
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: a bull Elk tag in Unit fifty, which is the

1008
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: sort of Rio Grande del Norte national monument. So I

1009
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: am I am looking forward to that. One of my

1010
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: one of my favorite things about Senator Heinrich is that

1011
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:47,919
Speaker 1: as a U. S senator, he I mean, among many

1012
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: other hunts, one hunt as a U S senator, he

1013
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: drew a muzzleloader tag on national forest land and so

1014
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 1: if you're walking down the trailhead you would like pass

1015
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: a guy packing out a bowl what you got packing

1016
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: out a bowl with his muzzle loader and probably wouldn't

1017
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: be like, I bet that guy is a U. S.

1018
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 1: Senator um just out knocking around on national forest land,

1019
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: which is kind of I don't know, it tickles me.

1020
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: So Senator Heinrich walk us through kind of like how

1021
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: stream access has been defined in New Mexico and how

1022
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: could it be that they still are you know, in

1023
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: two thousand twenty two are asked or one sorry, are

1024
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 1: asking questions about what it means. Well, I think you're

1025
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: asking the right question, Steve, because I think we should

1026
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 1: start with how things have been, because that was the

1027
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 1: basis for how stream access actually got UH codified in

1028
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: Supreme law in the in the New Mexico Constitution. There

1029
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 1: was a long history in New Mexico of both Indian tradition,

1030
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 1: tribal tradition, and then Spanish law of people being able

1031
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: to access straight aims UH, including for fishing, so including

1032
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,760
Speaker 1: waiting because unlike a lot of places in New Mexico,

1033
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: navigability is not a standard. You know, our streams are um,

1034
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 1: they're not perennial. In some cases, even the Rio Grand

1035
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: goes dry and stretches. So New Mexico has a little

1036
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 1: bit of a different tradition of what is considered a

1037
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: public stream that you might have in a riparian um state.

1038
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: We're a prior appropriation state, which means that the beneficial

1039
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: use of water, which includes fishing, is something that that

1040
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: is held by the public, and so in our state

1041
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: constitution that's protected. And I think what has changed is

1042
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: that we've had folks moved to New Mexico who were

1043
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: used to loss in other places, used to traditions in

1044
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: other places, used to ripe area law, and there has

1045
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: been an effort which a previous governor supported UH to

1046
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: use the law to sort of supersede the constitution and

1047
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: change the standard for what is a public stream that

1048
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 1: you can fish in and weigh in, Senator, do you

1049
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: mind explain to people what you mean when you say navigable,

1050
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:25,479
Speaker 1: like how it works in some states around around whether

1051
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: it's navigable or not. So in many states, the standard

1052
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: by which UH you can access a stream or not

1053
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: access the stream. In many states, that's based on whether

1054
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 1: the stream is navigable. Um, Because New Mexico has a

1055
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 1: different history and a different geography, that has never been

1056
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,879
Speaker 1: a legal standard in our state. It's not some it's

1057
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,919
Speaker 1: not a word that comes up in the constitution. It's

1058
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 1: actually not the standard that the Supreme Court when they

1059
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: ruled on whether or not people had this right to

1060
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: be able to wait and fishing our streams. Never has

1061
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,479
Speaker 1: the word navigable come up until the last few years

1062
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 1: in trying to sort of set a new standard in

1063
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 1: a in a new way of doing things. You know,

1064
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: we have a standard in our constitution and we have

1065
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: a Supreme Court ruling in our state that says New

1066
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: Mexico streams and waters have always been public and uh

1067
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: that includes accessibility specifically for fishing, even if private lands

1068
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: a butt those streams on either side. So say someone

1069
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: you mentioned people moving to New Mexico and not having

1070
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 1: a perhaps a deep reverence for the way things have

1071
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: been managed in New Mexico for perhaps hundreds of years.

1072
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: What would they look at if they move in on

1073
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: a stream and they own both sides of the stream

1074
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 1: and they see people waiting around fishing and they want

1075
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: to put an end to that. How do you like

1076
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: what is the argument you come out and make, like

1077
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: clearly you just want to have it be that it's

1078
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: that it's for you and not for other people. But

1079
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: you can't frame it that way, right, You have to

1080
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: probably try to frame it around some kind of logic. Yeah.

1081
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: And and typically what you will hear from some of

1082
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: the people who are trying to um, you know, string

1083
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: barbed wire across streams that have have never been off

1084
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: limits to the public is that you know, there are

1085
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: people who will abuse that resource. And I think that's um,

1086
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: you know, it's an issue that that appeals to all

1087
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: of us. I mean, if somebody is gonna litter, if

1088
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: somebody is is going to be behaving in a way

1089
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: that's not respectful of the fishing resource or of the

1090
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: stream itself, you can regulate all those things, and you

1091
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 1: can throw the book at somebody who uh doesn't respect

1092
00:58:55,640 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: the legal principle that the land, the private end on

1093
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: the sides of those streams uh is private land and

1094
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: you can't trespass on it. So there are a whole

1095
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: bunch of ways to get at the primary argument, which

1096
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: is if you let people do this, there are gonna

1097
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: be beer cans in the streams, and there's gonna be

1098
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: you know, those fishermen there, they don't respect UM anything,

1099
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 1: and we're gonna have a mess on our hands. So

1100
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: I think even if you buy that argument, the way

1101
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 1: to fix that is to set really strict rules. And

1102
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: you know, in my experience, anybody who can read a

1103
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: fishing proclamation is usually pretty good at following the rules.

1104
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 1: And uh and I think that's the appropriate way to

1105
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: resolve some of these conflicts and still respect the proper

1106
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: property right that every New Mexican has to those streams.

1107
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 1: Have you guys in New Mexico have you seen a

1108
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: gradual reduction and how many streams the public is able

1109
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: to access? Like have have people who are opposed to

1110
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: open stream access? Have they made progress? Yes? Just in

1111
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: the last decade, Uh, we saw a governor who did

1112
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 1: not agree with the Supreme Court ruling and the history

1113
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: UM signed a law that allowed people to apply to

1114
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: game and fish to certify that their streams are non navigable.

1115
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: And the problem with that is navigable is not the

1116
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 1: standard that our constitution uses. It's not the standard that

1117
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 1: are Supreme Court used when they ruled on this issue

1118
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: all the way back in n so we're now trying

1119
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 1: there is a there's a court case to overturn um

1120
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: that to overturn that new law, because you can't overturn

1121
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:00,479
Speaker 1: the Constitution with the new law. And we have seen

1122
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 1: people stringing barbed wire across streams that people used to float,

1123
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: that people used to wait, that people fished in for

1124
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 1: you know, hundreds of years, and uh, that's that's something

1125
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: that has a real cultural resonance in our state. So

1126
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: you you you have or the state of New Mexico

1127
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 1: rather has a pending list of requests coming in from

1128
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 1: landowners to close off like like, how many are we

1129
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: talking about? Uh, it's a handful. But if they continue

1130
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 1: to approve these, it's going to be, in my view,

1131
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 1: death by a thousand cuts because it will happen over

1132
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 1: and over and over again. We've seen a previous Game

1133
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: Commission approved some Uh you know, I wrote to the

1134
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: current Game Commission and said, you don't get to make

1135
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 1: a ruling that's in conflict with the Constitution, So hold

1136
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 1: off and see what the Supreme Court says on this.

1137
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 1: So that that's your request, is you stop is while

1138
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: it's pending and while it's being litigated, to stop acting

1139
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:13,919
Speaker 1: on a ruling that could be unconstitutional and stop granting closures. Yeah,

1140
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 1: and I think they have the full authority uh to

1141
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 1: be clear to deny these applications outright. Um, given that

1142
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: we have a number of Attorney generals opinions UM that

1143
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 1: says that the Constitution does not allow excluding the public

1144
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 1: from public water, even if it's running through private property.

1145
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: In a case like this, where the Game Commission receives

1146
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: the inquiry or the you know, the request is it,

1147
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 1: can you comment on or is it safe to say

1148
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: like what their attitude about it is? Are they just

1149
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 1: trying to be compliant? Or does the or does the

1150
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 1: state Game Commission have they do they have a stated

1151
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: opinion about this. So the current Game Commission has not

1152
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 1: acted on this. UM. It's a different commission makeup than

1153
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 1: when that law was passed. UM. And so this will

1154
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 1: this will potentially set the dive for their their position

1155
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 1: on this going forward. UM. And And so we don't

1156
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 1: know for sure what the Game Commission is going to

1157
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 1: do when what do you feel is going to happen

1158
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: in New Mexico when the when the Supreme Court weighs

1159
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 1: in on it, Do you have a prediction? I feel

1160
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 1: cautiously optimistic about the Supreme Court because the facts that

1161
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 1: the law haven't changed, and there are so many Um,

1162
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 1: there are so many facts that sort of stack up

1163
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 1: against the admissibility of the current law. Um. We have

1164
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 1: three different Attorney generals over the years just flat out

1165
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 1: saying that this is the standard. You can't exclude people

1166
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 1: from public water. Um. You have the underlying language in

1167
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 1: the New Mexico Constitution, and then you have case law. Um. So,

1168
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 1: in nineteen seven, the New Mexico Supreme Court ruled in

1169
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 1: a case called the State versus Red River Valley Company

1170
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 1: that expressly rejected the idea that public water could be

1171
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 1: rendered inaccessible because it's surrounded by private land. I got

1172
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:28,919
Speaker 1: a question for you that you've got to give people

1173
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 1: a little physics or not physics. What do they call

1174
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 1: it when you study government in high school. Civics not physics, Man,

1175
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 1: I'd be lost. I prefer I prefer uh. Senator Heinrich

1176
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 1: was trained as an engineer, so I can understand that.

1177
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, we're gonna do We're gonna do civics. How Okay,

1178
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 1: you as a as a U. S. Senator, you're elected

1179
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 1: by the people of New Mexico. Correct me if I'm

1180
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: wrong here. You're you're elected by the people in New

1181
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 1: Mexico to represent their interests and at a federal level

1182
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. Is it normal and is it considered? Um?

1183
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 1: Is it kind of like okay and normal for you

1184
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 1: to then come around and kind of communicate to state

1185
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 1: agencies at a state level? Are you like carpet bagging

1186
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 1: or how does that work? No, I'm simply standing up

1187
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 1: for my constituents and for the rights and privileges and

1188
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 1: property privileges that they've always had. And UM, you know,

1189
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 1: I think there's a long history of you know, Senator

1190
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 1: you Doll, who just retired, was also uh was an

1191
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 1: advocate for these same rights, both when he was attorney

1192
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: general at the state level and then once he became

1193
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 1: a sitting senator. In fact, that two of us wrote

1194
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 1: an amaricust brief to the New Mexico Supreme Court case

1195
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 1: that's in front of the work right now. And you know,

1196
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 1: I think if people don't step up and protect the

1197
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 1: historic rights of of the hunting and fishing community, uh

1198
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 1: and in this case fishing traditional waiting, we will lose

1199
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 1: we will lose that resource and we'll never get it back.

1200
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 1: Do you mind helping people who don't live in New

1201
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 1: Mexico understand a little bit about why this subject is

1202
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 1: real for them? And I think you're you know, you're

1203
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 1: qualified to do that because the position you hold, you're

1204
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: aware of, you know, you're made aware of how these

1205
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 1: issues have ramifications across the whole country, And no doubt

1206
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: you have colleagues who deal with similar problems. So I

1207
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 1: can kind of sketch out how people might look at

1208
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 1: what's happening here and then better understand risks to their

1209
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 1: own hunting and fishing rights where they live. Yeah. I

1210
01:06:55,520 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 1: think in particular, we have seen all across the country

1211
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 1: a lot of streams where there is a a clear

1212
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 1: easement of some sort a property right that belongs either

1213
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 1: to individuals or in many cases to the public. Whether

1214
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 1: that's UM and it's true on streams, it's often true

1215
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 1: on beaches UM where people have said I don't want

1216
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 1: to recognize that property right, and I'm going to chase

1217
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 1: you off this because I have property next door, and

1218
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 1: that that private property right conveys both ways. You get

1219
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 1: to you get to make decisions about your property, but

1220
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 1: you can't take away along established private property right from

1221
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 1: somebody else. And you know, we've seen too many episodes

1222
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 1: of people getting you know, chased off of gravel bars

1223
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 1: and beaches on streams, um that are clearly according to

1224
01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 1: the law. And you know you're someone who, having read

1225
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 1: your books, I know how you access your bison hunt

1226
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 1: in Alaska. That is a property right to be able

1227
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 1: to use the stream to get to where you need

1228
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 1: to go. And uh, there are more and more efforts

1229
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:19,720
Speaker 1: now to either change that outright or make it so

1230
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 1: hard and so unpleasant to use that, um, you know,

1231
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 1: to use that stream resource for travel that people will

1232
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 1: just quit doing it. And I think that's a very

1233
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 1: dangerous uh, for lack of a better term, slippery slope. Alright,

1234
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 1: Senator Heinrich, thank you very much for joining us, Thanks

1235
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 1: for explaining this issue. UM, hope you have a lot

1236
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 1: of good luck on it. Was any last final thoughts

1237
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 1: you want to add in and you have time, go ahead, UM,

1238
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 1: if not, look forward to having you in our studio

1239
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 1: sometime soon. No, it's always an honor to to join

1240
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 1: your listeners. And uh, I'm I'm really just grateful for

1241
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 1: what you all have done, um to to really create

1242
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 1: a picture of the sporting community. UM that is complex

1243
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:14,639
Speaker 1: and nuanced and really food focused. And I'm really grateful

1244
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:17,599
Speaker 1: for that because it it helps me explain why I'm

1245
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 1: so passionate about hunting and fishing. Uh too constituents and

1246
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 1: friends who who aren't part of that community. Oh well,

1247
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 1: thank you very much and uh best luck to you.

1248
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 1: Enjoy the weather there in Washington, d C. And we

1249
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 1: will talk to you soon. Thanks again. We're gonna make

1250
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 1: all that Calan boy very similar. Right Like, it's uh

1251
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 1: an issue that I think we'll keep popping up amongst

1252
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 1: the changing landscape of the West, right like recreation versus

1253
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 1: private property rights when it doesn't necessarily have to be

1254
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 1: that way. UM. In regards to New Mexico specifically, if

1255
01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:59,600
Speaker 1: you would like to weigh in on this issue, I

1256
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 1: have leave. The best place to go is the New

1257
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 1: Mexico Fishing Game Commission. Very easy to access information. You'll

1258
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 1: be able to email I believe the Commission as an

1259
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 1: entity and then individual commissioners. You can also track down

1260
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 1: letters that you can sign on to at New Mexico

1261
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:27,799
Speaker 1: um Wildlife Federation, New Mexico Wildlife Federation and New Mexico

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Speaker 1: back Country Hunters and anglers. Uh, and then you whitewater, folks,

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01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 1: American whitewater. I believe UM is involved in in this

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01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:43,679
Speaker 1: one as well. Thank you. Cal call to action cal

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01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:47,600
Speaker 1: call that. I'm trying to think of better rhyme. I

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01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 1: work on a call. Gotta have it called action call.

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01:10:52,320 --> 01:11:01,639
Speaker 1: Let's call it a cal to action cald action. Slow around.

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01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 1: Phil just sits there. Sometimes you just wonder if he's like,

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01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 1: you know, but he's just stewing away, man. He's coming

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01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 1: up with the singers. He's not wasted a bunch of

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01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 1: time talking about stupid ship. He's just waiting to get

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01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 1: into with something good. God the hell the action you

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01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 1: think about that? Last night laying in bedding right now

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01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:24,760
Speaker 1: just came to me. I don't know what to say.

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01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: You can't contain it. Goodness. Boondocs Saints they have an

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01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:33,080
Speaker 1: analogy on seven eleven says we're not always doing business,

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01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 1: but we're always open. That's that's Phil right there, man.

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Speaker 1: That was really really deeply impressive. When I was growing up, UM,

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01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 1: I lived in a lake and like the you know,

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01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:49,800
Speaker 1: Michigan walk around the lake, right, you just walk along

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01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:53,639
Speaker 1: the shoreline, and uh, you don't go to people's yards.

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01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 1: He just walk along the beach. And the thinking had

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01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 1: always been when you put a when you put your

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01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 1: dock out, Okay, you're like putting a dock out out

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01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:08,719
Speaker 1: over public property, right, so you could put it everybody

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01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:10,600
Speaker 1: put a dock out. But you could go along the

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01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 1: beach and go out and cast off everybody's dock. Virtually

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01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:19,519
Speaker 1: everyone is on board with this. Virtually everyone's on board

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01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 1: with this. But the certain people around the lake. When

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01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 1: you were a kid, you knew that when you went

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01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 1: out on their dock, um, someone's gonna come l at

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01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 1: you that. Yeah, I don't. I don't know how I

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01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 1: feel about that. Like if I had a dock, don't

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01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 1: put your dock out in my water. And then but

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01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:36,680
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, what happens if you know,

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01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:39,720
Speaker 1: if little Tommy comes on the dock and breaks his leg.

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01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 1: Come on, I hate to go there, but that's the

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01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,920
Speaker 1: world we're in. I'm just telling you this. There were

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01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 1: certain people Mudgeons. I guess the worst offender died off.

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01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 1: They all do. The worst offender died off. I don't

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01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:57,800
Speaker 1: even you know it was. I don't know how long ago.

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01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 1: Missus you know what she like? It was her decision.

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01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 1: Mrs Angelo was and we were Italians too, so like

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01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:10,560
Speaker 1: she didn't even give us like the old Italian to

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01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:13,760
Speaker 1: Italian deal, very un Italian, her, very un Italian, and

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01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 1: not let another Italian, you know what kind of we

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01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 1: stick together with the old world people. So miss Angelo

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01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 1: somehow got away with it. My entire childhood, no one

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01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:29,160
Speaker 1: went and challenged her. She was NAT's. She would not

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01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 1: let you on her dock. She wouldn't let she wouldn't.

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01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 1: You could like go along her beach, but she didn't

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01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 1: even like you to loiter for a minute. Totally illegal,

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01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 1: but no one challenged her. Okay, so legally you were allowed.

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01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 1: You're allowed to walk along the beach. A lot of

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01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't. You putting a platform out over

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01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:51,599
Speaker 1: the water doesn't mean you own. It's like you're borrowing

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01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 1: the space. But no one would stick up to Miss Angelo.

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Speaker 1: Yeah I wouldn't. There's a lot of other docks. Ecuse me, Yeah,

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01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:04,760
Speaker 1: I guess I was. Yeah, she was like, yeah, I was.

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01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 1: You know, thirty docks. It's going to different docks. Miss

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01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:11,600
Speaker 1: Angelo's dock the best doc or well, let me tell you,

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01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 1: she was right on the channel. So she was like

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01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 1: there's a channel that connected are like middle Light with Westlake,

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01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 1: and so it was an interesting little area and that

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01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 1: channel was a big lily pad thing and blue gills

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01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 1: had come up there because the water warm up in there.

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01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:31,759
Speaker 1: So yeah, you wanted to be around there. Oh, plus

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01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 1: not being able to go there makes it an even

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01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:38,880
Speaker 1: better spot, especially as a kid, like, yeah, what she hiding?

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Speaker 1: Yeah she had a flat roof. I feel like I

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01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 1: feel like my whole man once said that there was

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Speaker 1: a bunch of water on there and he saw a

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01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 1: duck land up there. I don't know, I feel like

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01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 1: that sticks in my head, you know how you know,

1335
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 1: bass anglers like to like pull bass out of the

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01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:56,840
Speaker 1: shadows of people's personal docks and they get they get

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01:14:56,880 --> 01:15:00,720
Speaker 1: real intimate with Yeah. I still on a fishing group

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01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 1: yesterday it was like fishing open water fishing Minnesota. Somebody

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01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:07,719
Speaker 1: posted a picture of a dock that they were rolling

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01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 1: up on to pull bass out of the shadows from

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01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:16,680
Speaker 1: and a motion activated sprinkler turned on. That's that's like

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01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:18,720
Speaker 1: an evolution that I don't know if we ever said that.

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01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:22,800
Speaker 1: Um in Lake Washington, which is that you know Big

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01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 1: Gass Lake in Seattle, there's an apartment buildings built like

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01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 1: on piers, and you can fish the shadows of apartment

1346
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 1: buildings and you're basically like looking into people's bathrooms and

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01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 1: stuff out of your boat, you know. But still then

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01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:38,640
Speaker 1: no like no one would come out in hollow, right,

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01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:41,000
Speaker 1: and what are you pulling out of there? You'd find

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01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 1: bluegills and small mouth in there in the shadows, and

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01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 1: the blue goos weirdly would come up. Even if it's

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01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:50,040
Speaker 1: ten twelve ft of water, they'd come up and lay.

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01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:55,680
Speaker 1: They will know shading, but weirdly they'd come up to

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01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:58,640
Speaker 1: the surface to lay in the shade. You look and

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01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 1: they just be everywhere. You think it's because just the water,

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01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:03,639
Speaker 1: which is a little warmer. You liked about it, Yeah,

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01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what like you catch him out of

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01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 1: there though, Brad, yes, sir um with that taking care

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01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 1: of I gotta cover off. I'm gonna talk about some stuff.

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01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:16,559
Speaker 1: But I would I would appreciate it if you would

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Speaker 1: begin serving your blue fin tuna. I was. I thought

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01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 1: you'd never asked. I got it sliced up. We've got

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01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:24,439
Speaker 1: some blue fin. I got a little bit of show

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01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 1: you with some friends that I make out in coastal Connecticut. Yeah,

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01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 1: so I tell people what show you is. Yeah. So

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Speaker 1: it's just a Japanese name for soy sauce, which is

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01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:34,440
Speaker 1: kind of if you want, if you want to be pretentious,

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01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:36,800
Speaker 1: you say show you. Well, I mean no, I mean

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01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:39,559
Speaker 1: if it's if it's a Japanese style, I guess right.

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01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:41,960
Speaker 1: So I don't think all soy sauces are. And that's

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01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 1: kind of a blanket. You can say it without being

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01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 1: pretentious because this is your this is your world, sure,

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01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 1: and it's just it's a respect thing too, you know,

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01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:51,599
Speaker 1: and like my and the folks that I make it. Wait,

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01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 1: we were highly influenced by a Japanese cuisine, so I

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01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 1: think it was just it's a nice thing too. And

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01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 1: it was a major conversation we had, do we call

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01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 1: it so he sauce or show you on the bottle?

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01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 1: And then I know, given that most of the you know,

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01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:04,599
Speaker 1: the people that are going to be buying this are

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01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 1: from America, it was like, you know, I and we

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01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 1: all voted, let's keep it showing now the horrible thing

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01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 1: I said, Well, no, no, I said about the pretentious. No,

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01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:14,720
Speaker 1: it was perfect And anyway, we're gonna drizzle that and

1385
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 1: this is something we make. It's it's aged. It's like

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01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:18,600
Speaker 1: a it's just a year old process and it's just

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01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:22,640
Speaker 1: kogi soybeans water and it ferments back the little fermentation

1388
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:25,040
Speaker 1: and this is just a nice little umami liquid that

1389
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 1: comes off it. And you got a bag of rice. Yeah,

1390
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 1: people brought that for us, a little sabi. I brought

1391
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 1: the I brought the tuna and a little show you.

1392
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 1: I'll just do a little drizzle and then, um, anyone

1393
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 1: who wants it, yeah, go that direction. So I'm gonna

1394
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:42,799
Speaker 1: talk about something. Yeah, and listen. If it's not fishy,

1395
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 1: it's as fresh as it gets. It was frozen with

1396
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:47,040
Speaker 1: the skin on it, and when we defrosted it, the

1397
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 1: skin had a little bit of a fishiness. In case

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01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:53,000
Speaker 1: anyone was wondering. Listen, I'm very excited. This is gonna

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01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:56,040
Speaker 1: taste better knowing that, Um, a body of yours named

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01:17:56,120 --> 01:18:00,640
Speaker 1: Vinnie from New Jersey, Connecticut, Connecticut would be different if

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01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,599
Speaker 1: it was a guy named Steve, like that would meanless.

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01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 1: It's so like it's just stupid. Yeah, NI makes it

1403
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:09,600
Speaker 1: even better, like a guy named Stevens, Like I like

1404
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 1: my interest meter. I just turned it down. What's the

1405
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 1: guy named Steve gonna bring Vinnie might be today maybe

1406
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:17,840
Speaker 1: the first time we've uttered the name Vinnie on this show.

1407
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 1: This is the inaugural appearance of a man named Vinny. Well,

1408
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 1: we'll see how this tune it goes. And maybe if

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01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 1: you know, if you guys can fight me out here,

1410
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 1: next time, I'll bring all Vincenzo and Well we'll talk

1411
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:34,000
Speaker 1: to Speaking of names, guy rode in his last names Fisher.

1412
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 1: So his name this feller's name is Austin Fisher, and

1413
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:42,599
Speaker 1: he and his wife are expecting a child in December.

1414
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 1: The first child. He wants the name. He doesn't care

1415
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 1: if it's a boy or a girl. He wants the

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01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:54,080
Speaker 1: name it Hunter. Yeah. I love it, thinking that what

1417
01:18:54,240 --> 01:19:02,720
Speaker 1: better name than Hunter Fisher. His wife is not too

1418
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 1: hip to it. She's not, she's not completely write it off,

1419
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:08,120
Speaker 1: but she said, after some serious discussion, his wife said

1420
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:10,640
Speaker 1: that if janis or Steve says Hunter Fisher is a

1421
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 1: good name on the podcast, we can name our child Hunter. Hm.

1422
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 1: That a lot of pressure do that, A lot of

1423
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:25,639
Speaker 1: pressure on you. Now. I generally generally would advise against

1424
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 1: naming him Hunter, because I think you can backfire popular

1425
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:34,040
Speaker 1: name these days. But I think you can backfire. A

1426
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 1: lot of hunters name their kid hunter thinking they're gonna

1427
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:37,640
Speaker 1: be a hunter. Kid's gonna get made fun of. I

1428
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:40,559
Speaker 1: named my kid James. He's a big time hunter. If

1429
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 1: I had named him Hunter, maybe he'd have been like,

1430
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just so much pressure, too much.

1431
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 1: Kid doesn't need that. But his name last name is Fisher, Hunter, Fisher.

1432
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 1: Now I mean, no, you can't do it. I can't

1433
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah you can legally. I think you go

1434
01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 1: by your last name. Hey, So I had a dog

1435
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 1: named Fisher and I called her the big Fish. And

1436
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:06,760
Speaker 1: if somebody just goes around and says, hey, fish, come

1437
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 1: over here, like that's a catchy name. That's a good name.

1438
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:13,679
Speaker 1: So I would say, go with whatever first name you want,

1439
01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 1: and the kid's going to go buy fish. I'm gonna

1440
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:18,000
Speaker 1: bring this back to a conversation I had with my

1441
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:20,639
Speaker 1: wife and we were trying to name. It is very good.

1442
01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 1: Thanks Vinnie and Brad. That is amazing. This this is

1443
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:30,840
Speaker 1: freaking I'm gonna have a second. We were contemplating calling

1444
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,760
Speaker 1: our second son Porter, which is the name I like,

1445
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 1: but my guy that carries things. Yeah, sure, but my

1446
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 1: our last name is Taylor and that sounds like exactly.

1447
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 1: I don't like the last syllable matching with you know,

1448
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 1: Porter Taylor, Hunter Fisher. That's that's where I draw some

1449
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 1: some beef too. I'm saying, no, Spencer, uh, I don't

1450
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 1: love it. M Chester, whatever floats their boat. I guess

1451
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 1: it's the one thing, you know, like if you have

1452
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:08,600
Speaker 1: a kid, you know, you get to name it. You know,

1453
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 1: it's like that's like you got that. You know, you

1454
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:13,880
Speaker 1: earned that one, So go ahead and name it whatever

1455
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 1: you want, but think about the child, you know, like

1456
01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:17,760
Speaker 1: and I bring that up. This has nothing to do

1457
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 1: with that kind of naming. But I have two kids

1458
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 1: and my wife, she our first son, she had this idea,

1459
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 1: my last name is Leoni and she had this, like

1460
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:30,719
Speaker 1: family name this guy. One great great uncle's name was Caesar,

1461
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 1: you know, like his French guy or something. And she

1462
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:35,320
Speaker 1: was like, why don't we name our kids Caesar Leoni?

1463
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:38,960
Speaker 1: And I'm like, are you out of your mind? Caesar

1464
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 1: Leone and we're from New Jersey. Just shut that right down,

1465
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 1: you know, is he gonna make black and white? But

1466
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 1: nothing good? But but here can I point out a hypocrisy?

1467
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 1: And you, Brad go right ahead you yesterday. Guy doesn't

1468
01:21:55,880 --> 01:22:00,080
Speaker 1: miss anything you yesterday. We're telling me something that that

1469
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 1: us that a food biologist or something told you Rosemary

1470
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:07,519
Speaker 1: Trout shout out the you said you pointed out that

1471
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:11,679
Speaker 1: you especially believed her because her name was Rosemary Trout. Yeah,

1472
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 1: it's good one, Steve. You're right, so I'm glad her

1473
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:18,960
Speaker 1: parents did. But You're like, how could you argue with

1474
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:21,880
Speaker 1: someone named Rosemary Trout so now about a food issue?

1475
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 1: And I'm like, sure, man, I'm not going to argue

1476
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 1: a woman named Rosemary Trout about food. And I named

1477
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:32,599
Speaker 1: my daughter Rosemary. So Hunter Fisher, should he become so inclined,

1478
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:35,639
Speaker 1: he better be good at it. Steve, You're like, if

1479
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:39,240
Speaker 1: if I'm talking to a guy and I'm like, I'm

1480
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:40,920
Speaker 1: at a wedding, you know, and your board out of

1481
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:43,000
Speaker 1: your mind. You always find the person likes to hunt

1482
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 1: and talk to them so and they're like, oh, you

1483
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:47,200
Speaker 1: know that you used to talk to that guy he

1484
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:49,280
Speaker 1: likes to hunt fish. And I go over to bay

1485
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:50,680
Speaker 1: what your name heard like hunting fish? Is that my

1486
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 1: name is Hunter Fisher. Dude. I'm in, I'm in. I'm

1487
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:59,880
Speaker 1: open to what they have to say. I think it's

1488
01:22:59,920 --> 01:23:02,519
Speaker 1: a great idea. It's great bar talk, you know, and like,

1489
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:05,000
Speaker 1: if you're gonna name your kid hunter Fisher, you got

1490
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 1: a lot riding on that. You got a lot riding.

1491
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:08,640
Speaker 1: They better be into it, you know, if he's what

1492
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 1: if he's a rockhound, or what if he turns out

1493
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:15,280
Speaker 1: to be a librarian, Hunter Fisher the librarian. I guess

1494
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 1: it works. Maybe the compromise here is middle name Hunter

1495
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:31,040
Speaker 1: m Bob Hunter Fisher, Joe Hunter Fisher, ecologist, Hunter Fisher. Doctor.

1496
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 1: Don't he thinks he's Joe Hunter Fisher, Like, no, he

1497
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 1: is Joe Hunter Fisher's his name? He doesn't think he's

1498
01:23:38,240 --> 01:23:41,840
Speaker 1: Joe Hunter Fisher. If your name's Hunter Fisher or Rosemary Trout,

1499
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:44,280
Speaker 1: you gotta go. You gotta go, doctor, You gotta go straight,

1500
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:46,360
Speaker 1: go all the way go. First name as a doctor,

1501
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 1: first name as doctor. Did we talk about this on

1502
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:53,760
Speaker 1: this show? This reminds me of of there's a there's

1503
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 1: a doctor who performs circumcisions and his last name, his

1504
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:03,240
Speaker 1: first name is Richard is Dick and his last name

1505
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:11,439
Speaker 1: is chopped her Dick chop. Oh that was late night man.

1506
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:14,439
Speaker 1: It really cut back on naming people. Dick. Yeah, they

1507
01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:18,000
Speaker 1: all went Rick. They all went Rick. Richard's all just

1508
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 1: bailed on it and became Rick. And when I when

1509
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:25,760
Speaker 1: I went in to watch my boys get circumcised, and

1510
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:27,320
Speaker 1: it's like now a lot of people are often to

1511
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:29,519
Speaker 1: not do that, you know, like a body of mind

1512
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:31,120
Speaker 1: didn't do it with his kid, and he's like, oh, man,

1513
01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 1: like the first thing that happens him when he's born,

1514
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:37,519
Speaker 1: first he happens, he gets like it was like well

1515
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 1: to welcome to the earth. You know, it's intense. Um.

1516
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:42,360
Speaker 1: But as we did it, because people do it and

1517
01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:45,679
Speaker 1: we're just like very uh you know, pure pressure. Yeah,

1518
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:49,519
Speaker 1: so you know. And then I've also heard people uh

1519
01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:52,760
Speaker 1: do it and not do it because they were like

1520
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 1: afraid that they wanted their genitalia to look like their

1521
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:58,240
Speaker 1: kids because they thought it had caused confusion for their kids.

1522
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 1: That's where my brain went. Really, I was like, yeah,

1523
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:02,800
Speaker 1: I just want the boys looking different than that. You know,

1524
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:06,160
Speaker 1: it's very selfish. I felt bad, like when afterwards, I

1525
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I'm guessing there's other significant

1526
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:12,040
Speaker 1: differences when they're a little boy. But I hope so Steve.

1527
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:15,800
Speaker 1: So I went in to watch it happened. I went

1528
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:17,600
Speaker 1: in with the person, which I think it's common to

1529
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 1: go in and uh and I and she was, you know,

1530
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 1: doing it cutting it off, and I said something to

1531
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:28,800
Speaker 1: the effect of wow, you know, and the person doing

1532
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 1: it says, oh, it's brutal. Yeah, while doing it. Um,

1533
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 1: there's something interesting for you, Spencer. My interest meters already

1534
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 1: way up. We I could talk for Oddly. I was

1535
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:46,320
Speaker 1: very into talking about me. They're they're back here. We

1536
01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:48,560
Speaker 1: can plug it in. Next time I haven't plugged in,

1537
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:50,840
Speaker 1: I'll do it. Do you feel that that falls under

1538
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:55,320
Speaker 1: your responsibilities? Oh? Yeah, absolutely, because I thought maybe you

1539
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:57,519
Speaker 1: were like dude last day, I needed another thing rolled

1540
01:25:57,560 --> 01:26:01,479
Speaker 1: in under my uh under or my like bailiwick. Well,

1541
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:04,800
Speaker 1: I've told Karin I thought the interest me listen. Craftsmanship

1542
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:07,920
Speaker 1: incredible thanks to the guy who made him. I think

1543
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:12,080
Speaker 1: it's a terrible idea. I didn't know. Man right out

1544
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 1: in the public. He says that, yeah, where's the other

1545
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 1: half of that sandwich? Yes? Oh yeah, can you ground

1546
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:25,040
Speaker 1: it off and make it a compment sandwich? Great shoes?

1547
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:28,320
Speaker 1: Oh no, No to the guy, you said, beautiful craftsmanship,

1548
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:35,400
Speaker 1: Oh horrible idea. Well it was your idea, So here's

1549
01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:40,720
Speaker 1: one for you. Spencer, you'll like, um about your new tattoo, Brad,

1550
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:45,639
Speaker 1: do you look like a tattooed fella? No? I have one.

1551
01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:52,439
Speaker 1: It's the worst. It's on my ankle. Hold on, I

1552
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:54,880
Speaker 1: gotta step away from the microphone. It's on my ankle

1553
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:58,280
Speaker 1: and it's my initials in a license plate kind of thing.

1554
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 1: But but the it's not my initials. We got it

1555
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:03,919
Speaker 1: from this guy, Joe Budds, when we were like fifteen,

1556
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:06,360
Speaker 1: and there was like your friends have great names, Joe

1557
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 1: Budds criminal and yeah, Joe Joe Budds. I don't know.

1558
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 1: I probably shouldn't say his name. Is that killed me?

1559
01:27:12,439 --> 01:27:14,880
Speaker 1: But Joe Budds we were like fifteen. You know, he

1560
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:19,600
Speaker 1: tattooed a bunch of kids, you know, and uh, you

1561
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:21,320
Speaker 1: might right to Joe Budd's house, you know, in no

1562
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:25,800
Speaker 1: fucking around you guys, Carson here, I'm sorry people should

1563
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 1: complain about it. Yeah, sorry, guys. I do appreciate a

1564
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:30,920
Speaker 1: good family show. Well you know what that's like a

1565
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:32,920
Speaker 1: lot of people like when it just happens on then

1566
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:35,000
Speaker 1: and people get upsetting, like oh you know what about

1567
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:38,320
Speaker 1: the kids? Kids? But like I just feel like, um,

1568
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:40,640
Speaker 1: I got a bad mouth. I just feel like that.

1569
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:43,960
Speaker 1: It's just they're gonna find out. They're gonna find out

1570
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:47,439
Speaker 1: that there's naughty words. They're gonna be watching, uh, you know,

1571
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:52,360
Speaker 1: like a Mel Gibson movie. Eventually they're gonna leave Mel

1572
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:55,519
Speaker 1: out of this whatever. Poor now you know they're gonnay're

1573
01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:58,240
Speaker 1: gonna be whatever. You know, they're gonna be watching an

1574
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 1: adventure movie and it's gonna already word in it, and

1575
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:03,800
Speaker 1: now they're then gonna turn off the adventure movie. I'm

1576
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:05,760
Speaker 1: kind of with you. They're gonna be watching adventures. I

1577
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:08,640
Speaker 1: was watching Adventures and Babysuit with my kids. There's the

1578
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:11,280
Speaker 1: F word. No kids, no kid, No. I'm not gonna

1579
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:13,599
Speaker 1: be like, okay, kids will never find out what happens

1580
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 1: to these protagonists. I'm shutting her down after this episode,

1581
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:20,200
Speaker 1: and somebody's like, how dare you cuss in front of

1582
01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 1: a child? You can be like, may I remind you

1583
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:26,120
Speaker 1: that I contracted someone to brutally remove their force? Can yeah?

1584
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:29,120
Speaker 1: Tell how much I care about them, Steve. I'm not

1585
01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:33,080
Speaker 1: anti Curson, I guess. And in this platform that you

1586
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:35,080
Speaker 1: have from and as a guest, you know, I know

1587
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:37,040
Speaker 1: it's it's the outdoors we're talking about fishing, a lot

1588
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:39,080
Speaker 1: of really cool and important stuff. I want to keep

1589
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:42,400
Speaker 1: it classy personally. I think you should. Yeah, I think

1590
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:45,280
Speaker 1: you should. I'm saying now, And then it happens, people

1591
01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:50,120
Speaker 1: get upset. My advice to them is just like water

1592
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:53,800
Speaker 1: under the fridge. It's this, it's this. There's a lot

1593
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:56,240
Speaker 1: that goes in this is my personal viewpoint. There's a

1594
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:58,720
Speaker 1: lot that goes into parenting. There's a lot that goes

1595
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:03,719
Speaker 1: into parenting. We want to make our kids compassionate, resilient, tough,

1596
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:08,880
Speaker 1: um to have empathy. I think that you can achieve

1597
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:11,120
Speaker 1: all those things, whether they know about dirty words or not.

1598
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:14,719
Speaker 1: I don't think that them finding out about a naughty

1599
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:18,360
Speaker 1: word is going to derail the whole plan. I don't.

1600
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 1: And three of them, and Tony and Susie at school,

1601
01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:23,599
Speaker 1: they're already hearing it. You know, it's just not gonna

1602
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 1: be what makes They're not gonna wind up in jail.

1603
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:27,840
Speaker 1: The internet, forget it. We ain't the problem. Okay, go ahead,

1604
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:33,439
Speaker 1: worry about something again. But my tattoo, yeah, so it's

1605
01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:35,360
Speaker 1: it's it's b L on my ankle. It's the only

1606
01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:38,240
Speaker 1: one I have. But it stands for that's right now,

1607
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:41,760
Speaker 1: but it doesn't stand for Bradley does. But like, there's

1608
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:44,160
Speaker 1: like ten other kids that I went to school that

1609
01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:45,960
Speaker 1: grew up with. And we grew up in a neighborhood,

1610
01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:49,000
Speaker 1: a lake community called Barry Lakes, and we all thought

1611
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:51,000
Speaker 1: it was like this, like yeah, you know, no one

1612
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:53,599
Speaker 1: really messes, but you know, it was like our little gang.

1613
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:55,559
Speaker 1: But no one mess with a Verry late guy. Did

1614
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:57,639
Speaker 1: no one mess with it. We were the mountain kids,

1615
01:29:57,680 --> 01:30:00,799
Speaker 1: you know, so like Vernon, New Jersey's right, the Appalachian

1616
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:02,640
Speaker 1: Trail kind of runs through and that's where I grew up.

1617
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:05,080
Speaker 1: And there was valley kids and then there was a

1618
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:08,400
Speaker 1: mountain kids. The mountain kids, I mean, I don't mount kids.

1619
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:11,360
Speaker 1: That's where it was at your tires. You know that

1620
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:13,240
Speaker 1: a lot of the valley kids were kind of criminals.

1621
01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:15,280
Speaker 1: But but but we were like we did all like

1622
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:16,840
Speaker 1: the hunt, and I don't know, it was just very

1623
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:18,720
Speaker 1: like tribal, very like you know, I feel like that's

1624
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:22,000
Speaker 1: what that stands. And you didn't think that it might

1625
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:24,800
Speaker 1: not be a good idea because that's your initials, not

1626
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:27,799
Speaker 1: not really more like like, oh, idiot's got my initials

1627
01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:29,920
Speaker 1: on your ankles. And that was like the first kid

1628
01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:32,840
Speaker 1: thing that I thought of, But yeah, that went away

1629
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:35,080
Speaker 1: and it was more like, oh god, you have to

1630
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:38,639
Speaker 1: tell everyone now that like, oh, would you forget your name? Brad?

1631
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:40,599
Speaker 1: Like you know, it's like people say all the time

1632
01:30:40,640 --> 01:30:42,840
Speaker 1: and just kind of explaining that. But it could it

1633
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:44,679
Speaker 1: could be worse. You know. You know what, I can't

1634
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 1: stop watching It's alive. Uh, I'm watching an Italian You

1635
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:54,160
Speaker 1: have to read the whole damn thing. But go Mora

1636
01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:59,360
Speaker 1: years ago. Gomera was a movie about the Neapolitan crime

1637
01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 1: syndicate you know in Italy not believe brutal, so then

1638
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:07,760
Speaker 1: they now do it. They did a series Gomera. I

1639
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:09,960
Speaker 1: usually avoid serious because I don't like getting that it

1640
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 1: takes too much time. Oh I love it. Man. You

1641
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:15,479
Speaker 1: get ready to move on, but you can't. You want

1642
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:17,000
Speaker 1: to go on to the living your life, but you

1643
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:19,960
Speaker 1: can't because you gotta watch five thousand episodes of something.

1644
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:21,360
Speaker 1: Do you fly a lot? What do you do on

1645
01:31:21,479 --> 01:31:23,519
Speaker 1: on the plane? I mean, I just can't quit though.

1646
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:27,439
Speaker 1: But it's it's called Gomera anyways. In it, there's a

1647
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:29,800
Speaker 1: crime boss and he gets a new messenger. He's in

1648
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:31,840
Speaker 1: hiding and he has a new messenger and she in

1649
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:35,400
Speaker 1: a garbage removal business during a lot mostly narcotics, but

1650
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:38,040
Speaker 1: they do a variety of things. He has a messenger

1651
01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:43,120
Speaker 1: and she has a tattoo of a lioness on her arm,

1652
01:31:43,240 --> 01:31:44,679
Speaker 1: and he asked her why do you have that tattoo

1653
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:47,280
Speaker 1: and she said, well, I got it my father died.

1654
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:49,720
Speaker 1: You have to read all this because an Italian. So

1655
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:52,519
Speaker 1: I got it when my father died. That's what he

1656
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:57,080
Speaker 1: called me. Leoni. Well, he says to her, he says,

1657
01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:01,639
Speaker 1: if you were a real lioness, you wouldn't need that tattoo.

1658
01:32:02,439 --> 01:32:08,320
Speaker 1: And she burned it off with a hot spoon and

1659
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:12,479
Speaker 1: then said, who's the lioness now? So just pointing that out,

1660
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:14,920
Speaker 1: she'd kill you. Need a pizza and feel fine about it.

1661
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:17,439
Speaker 1: Pointed out you could get a propane torch and a

1662
01:32:17,479 --> 01:32:20,639
Speaker 1: hot and a spoon that thing off right on this show.

1663
01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:27,040
Speaker 1: That's what a real Berry late kid would do. Get

1664
01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:28,840
Speaker 1: to get the boys in here so they can watch

1665
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:33,160
Speaker 1: day Oh my god. The reason I bring this up.

1666
01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:36,320
Speaker 1: Spencer got that brand new tattoo um on his arm.

1667
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:38,639
Speaker 1: The next deployment is in August. To get it off.

1668
01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:44,240
Speaker 1: Get a second one another tree. Well, what is it there?

1669
01:32:44,280 --> 01:32:46,920
Speaker 1: Bud it's a it's a state tree or something like that. Oh,

1670
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:48,920
Speaker 1: this this one is a Black Hills spruce grows in

1671
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:51,120
Speaker 1: the Black Hills, found in South Dakota and Wyoming. He's

1672
01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:53,000
Speaker 1: all proud of me from South Dakota, very proud of it.

1673
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:59,559
Speaker 1: Check this out, Spencer. So these archaeologists been looking at

1674
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:02,479
Speaker 1: these sharp up in turkey leg bones that they discovered.

1675
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:05,200
Speaker 1: Are you hip to this they found in Tennessee? Tell us,

1676
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:08,080
Speaker 1: tell us about it, sharpened leg bone. Spencer will tell

1677
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:13,479
Speaker 1: you the needles date back to five thousand, five hundred

1678
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:16,439
Speaker 1: years ago to three thousand, six hundred years ago. The

1679
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:20,559
Speaker 1: age tools were used by Native Americans, and it brings

1680
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:26,360
Speaker 1: back um when they thought tattooing first occurred. And you

1681
01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:29,080
Speaker 1: haven't established that they were used for tattooing. Go ahead,

1682
01:33:32,520 --> 01:33:35,000
Speaker 1: you got this. No, I'm gonna hand it back over

1683
01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:41,280
Speaker 1: to you. They unearthed these mysterious sharpened turkey bones. They

1684
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:45,360
Speaker 1: have come to determine that they believe they were used

1685
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:49,160
Speaker 1: as tattooing tools. Take it away, Spencer, interest meters way up, Spencer,

1686
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:52,599
Speaker 1: A little get Phil won't get them out. That was good.

1687
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:56,400
Speaker 1: That was a good insert, Steve. Now they they think

1688
01:33:56,479 --> 01:33:59,280
Speaker 1: that tattooing is a thousand years older than what they

1689
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:03,920
Speaker 1: previously thought. Hmm. Here in the US in North America.

1690
01:34:04,479 --> 01:34:08,120
Speaker 1: Remember that ice man from the the Italian Alps. Oh

1691
01:34:08,200 --> 01:34:13,880
Speaker 1: I thought, no Ozzy remember him? Oh yeah, they found him. Yeah,

1692
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:15,960
Speaker 1: he had boot he was frozen, he was thawing out

1693
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:18,559
Speaker 1: of a thawing out of a glacier, and he had

1694
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:22,240
Speaker 1: like his boots are made of three different leathers, right,

1695
01:34:23,240 --> 01:34:28,040
Speaker 1: very like detailed. He was heavily tattooed seven thousand years

1696
01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:31,679
Speaker 1: old in Italy. Now do you think they used alien

1697
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:34,519
Speaker 1: or you know, bird bones because they're hollow, right, and

1698
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:36,080
Speaker 1: they would pipe a little ink down there and just

1699
01:34:36,720 --> 01:34:39,519
Speaker 1: little dots. Yeah. Because the other thing that they found

1700
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:43,960
Speaker 1: were I think some shells that had some like ochre

1701
01:34:44,080 --> 01:34:47,400
Speaker 1: residue in there, so that that was like your your pigment,

1702
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:52,200
Speaker 1: your die red ochre is was like a very major

1703
01:34:52,640 --> 01:34:55,400
Speaker 1: kind of like trade item. You still find it around

1704
01:34:55,520 --> 01:35:00,160
Speaker 1: because what is It's oxide? Yeah, to naturally occur ring

1705
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:06,759
Speaker 1: pigment um, but pretty much limited to reds and blues,

1706
01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:12,720
Speaker 1: reds and yellows, reds and yellows like orange, orange, red, yellow. Uh. Yeah,

1707
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:14,439
Speaker 1: it's like a pigment it's funny. My kids found some

1708
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:16,800
Speaker 1: one time turkey hunting and they didn't know about it,

1709
01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:18,720
Speaker 1: but they did with it what you're supposed to do.

1710
01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:22,760
Speaker 1: I come up and all their faces are yellow, and

1711
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:25,280
Speaker 1: they found it, and like independently arrived at the idea

1712
01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:27,840
Speaker 1: that you would like paint your skin with it. Yeah,

1713
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:31,200
Speaker 1: I still got the hunk they found. It's kind of cool. Yeah.

1714
01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:33,080
Speaker 1: And then another thing you do is you can pulverize

1715
01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:34,559
Speaker 1: it and mix it with water and use it as

1716
01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:38,000
Speaker 1: a paint. And these turkey bones look sharp as hell,

1717
01:35:38,479 --> 01:35:41,360
Speaker 1: like you would earn that tattoo you oh like that

1718
01:35:42,680 --> 01:35:45,120
Speaker 1: on the show and have me tattoo you with a

1719
01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:51,080
Speaker 1: turkey bone? Who your tattoo needles? This shows can take

1720
01:35:51,080 --> 01:35:55,879
Speaker 1: a very jackass and you gonna take on jackassy and elements.

1721
01:35:56,120 --> 01:35:58,120
Speaker 1: When he burns his off and he gets a new one,

1722
01:35:58,439 --> 01:36:00,720
Speaker 1: maybe that's a new video. Serious. Let me tell you

1723
01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:02,439
Speaker 1: what if you guys all of a sudden broke out

1724
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:06,040
Speaker 1: like this weird wooden box that filled with turkey bone

1725
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:08,840
Speaker 1: needles and some native pigments. I would get one right

1726
01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:11,880
Speaker 1: now with you. I would do it, Steve um So

1727
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:18,599
Speaker 1: the bones are pigment stained. They two Turkey wing bones

1728
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:22,360
Speaker 1: from the grave also bear microscopic wear and pigment residues,

1729
01:36:22,400 --> 01:36:28,880
Speaker 1: but lack sharpened tips, while pigment stained seashells are thought

1730
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:32,760
Speaker 1: to have held inky solutions. So the whole kit a

1731
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:38,840
Speaker 1: shell to put it in, a mechanism to deliver it. Now,

1732
01:36:38,920 --> 01:36:40,880
Speaker 1: do you think there was like everyone did their own

1733
01:36:41,080 --> 01:36:43,920
Speaker 1: or was there like the tat artist back in the

1734
01:36:44,040 --> 01:36:46,920
Speaker 1: day who had his little leather satchel full of stuff

1735
01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:49,000
Speaker 1: and like you know, you called Tony the tat guy,

1736
01:36:50,120 --> 01:36:51,400
Speaker 1: or I guess he went and he was just I

1737
01:36:51,400 --> 01:36:53,160
Speaker 1: don't know, you know, they probably did it to themselves

1738
01:36:53,320 --> 01:36:55,680
Speaker 1: or like just a little small inner tribal the neighborhood.

1739
01:36:57,040 --> 01:36:59,479
Speaker 1: And then another question, since you guys researching this a

1740
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:02,240
Speaker 1: little bit, I wonder how much like infection I guess,

1741
01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:03,560
Speaker 1: I don't know how you would know this, but like

1742
01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:05,960
Speaker 1: how much infection was prone when they were just like, oh,

1743
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:08,240
Speaker 1: this is this stuff's green, Let's put it in a

1744
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:12,720
Speaker 1: bird bone and start jabbing myself with it, like it

1745
01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:14,479
Speaker 1: seems like a good way to get an infection. And

1746
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:18,040
Speaker 1: they're more rugged, and you know they're infected and well,

1747
01:37:18,120 --> 01:37:20,080
Speaker 1: and there's probably they were probably more dialed in right,

1748
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:22,840
Speaker 1: they probably had. I'm just assuming like they knew there

1749
01:37:22,920 --> 01:37:24,639
Speaker 1: was a type of leaf that they could put over

1750
01:37:24,840 --> 01:37:28,880
Speaker 1: that like stopped infections. I mean, I'm romanticizing it. I'd

1751
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:31,000
Speaker 1: like to believe. I think getting this tattoo was like

1752
01:37:31,120 --> 01:37:32,720
Speaker 1: a seven out of ten on the pain scale, but

1753
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:34,519
Speaker 1: this turkey bone now looks like a ten out of ten.

1754
01:37:35,200 --> 01:37:37,519
Speaker 1: Where are you getting your next one? I'm gonna fill

1755
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:40,080
Speaker 1: up my arm. I'm gonna do a whole sleeve. Really

1756
01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:45,800
Speaker 1: really do your neck neck, no neck, your face, no,

1757
01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:51,200
Speaker 1: just your arm, just this one arm because your little goals.

1758
01:37:51,240 --> 01:37:52,439
Speaker 1: I don't know it's a goal. Do you have a

1759
01:37:52,479 --> 01:37:57,519
Speaker 1: budget in mind? I used to I used to use

1760
01:37:57,560 --> 01:38:01,160
Speaker 1: your wife's supportive Yeah. Yeah, he wants you to look tougher.

1761
01:38:02,439 --> 01:38:04,680
Speaker 1: Nobody will mess with me. Then I used to, uh,

1762
01:38:05,200 --> 01:38:06,680
Speaker 1: like the idea of getting a tattoo, but I could

1763
01:38:06,720 --> 01:38:10,000
Speaker 1: never like commit to something. And now recently the pendulum

1764
01:38:10,040 --> 01:38:11,639
Speaker 1: has swung so far the other way. There, like any

1765
01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:13,439
Speaker 1: idea I have, like, oh I'm gonna get that tattooed,

1766
01:38:13,479 --> 01:38:15,479
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get that thing tattoo, you get rocks tattooed

1767
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:17,880
Speaker 1: on your arm? I thought about a fair birned egg

1768
01:38:17,920 --> 01:38:21,880
Speaker 1: it which like has some real, like pretty distinct lines

1769
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:23,640
Speaker 1: that you can actually tattoo. But like the stuff that

1770
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:26,080
Speaker 1: I collect, there's there's nothing there that would make for

1771
01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:30,240
Speaker 1: a good one dimensional or two dimensional piece of art.

1772
01:38:30,720 --> 01:38:33,080
Speaker 1: If you if you, let's say you found that the

1773
01:38:33,200 --> 01:38:37,760
Speaker 1: COVID had been worse and it killed everybody, but you, okay,

1774
01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:41,280
Speaker 1: you're the only human on earth. Would you get a tattoo?

1775
01:38:41,720 --> 01:38:47,559
Speaker 1: Great question, I wouldn't make this podcast. Yeah right, Um,

1776
01:38:48,040 --> 01:38:52,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. You'd have to do it yourself, right, sure.

1777
01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:54,080
Speaker 1: But let's say there's one no, there's one other guy

1778
01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:56,680
Speaker 1: the tattoo artists, but you can't hang out with him.

1779
01:38:57,439 --> 01:38:58,400
Speaker 1: You can go in there and get up, but then

1780
01:38:58,439 --> 01:38:59,760
Speaker 1: that's that you can't talk to him ever again. Would

1781
01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:01,439
Speaker 1: you get a tattoo? Yeah? I think it's still status.

1782
01:39:01,880 --> 01:39:04,280
Speaker 1: You don't get a tattoo. No one could see it. Yeah,

1783
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:06,880
Speaker 1: that's fine, that's what he's trying to gauge, right, Yeah,

1784
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:09,840
Speaker 1: just you with you? How deep does that desire? Yeah?

1785
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:11,720
Speaker 1: I like it. Maybe it's just you're not just do

1786
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:15,680
Speaker 1: it because you want people to see it. I also like,

1787
01:39:15,800 --> 01:39:17,760
Speaker 1: i'll see here, I'll just look at it sometimes, So

1788
01:39:17,840 --> 01:39:20,760
Speaker 1: I like that part of it. It's entertaining to me.

1789
01:39:21,120 --> 01:39:23,560
Speaker 1: You didn't ask me, but I feel like if there was,

1790
01:39:23,760 --> 01:39:25,880
Speaker 1: if there was no, if I was the only person left,

1791
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:29,320
Speaker 1: I'd be like tattooing the ship out of myself. I'd

1792
01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:31,680
Speaker 1: be like my like Wilson, like like ball all of

1793
01:39:31,680 --> 01:39:34,479
Speaker 1: a sudden, I'd be like tattooing new friends on my thigh.

1794
01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:38,280
Speaker 1: And especially, would you ever get that b L tattoo

1795
01:39:38,360 --> 01:39:43,400
Speaker 1: on you? You ain't in the gang anyway, He's so

1796
01:39:44,720 --> 01:39:49,000
Speaker 1: your your arm is almost sleeved, but the designs you've

1797
01:39:49,120 --> 01:39:53,360
Speaker 1: chosen have left a gap of a certain size, right,

1798
01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:57,439
Speaker 1: so it's not filled in at that point? Could we

1799
01:39:57,560 --> 01:40:01,519
Speaker 1: do like a meat eater office type fun thing where

1800
01:40:01,600 --> 01:40:06,000
Speaker 1: everybody puts in a legit drawing like into a bowl. Right,

1801
01:40:06,400 --> 01:40:10,160
Speaker 1: that fits those dimensions, and then you just randomly pick

1802
01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:14,439
Speaker 1: a designer. That would be fun fun. Do we get

1803
01:40:14,479 --> 01:40:16,200
Speaker 1: out of that? I feel like the better move is

1804
01:40:16,320 --> 01:40:19,560
Speaker 1: like having Steve get a tattoo. I'm very close to

1805
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:24,280
Speaker 1: want a tattoo. Really. My wife's like, you missed that boat, don't.

1806
01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:27,320
Speaker 1: She's like, it's just too late. This this could be

1807
01:40:27,560 --> 01:40:31,920
Speaker 1: a money raising situation. If something I want to get

1808
01:40:32,280 --> 01:40:36,240
Speaker 1: a map of the country with a Turkey footprint everywhere.

1809
01:40:36,280 --> 01:40:41,000
Speaker 1: I've gotten my my Royal Slam. This next winner, I'm

1810
01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:43,800
Speaker 1: gonna go get oscillated or try and then I'll be

1811
01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:46,080
Speaker 1: a world Slam holder, and then I'm gonna have tattooed

1812
01:40:46,240 --> 01:40:54,360
Speaker 1: Central America on there as stupidest idea, she's on tattooed,

1813
01:40:55,080 --> 01:40:57,400
Speaker 1: she's not tattooed. That sounds like a really cool poster

1814
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:01,120
Speaker 1: in the office. Or so it's the tattoo idea you

1815
01:41:01,160 --> 01:41:02,960
Speaker 1: have a problem with, not the act of him getting

1816
01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:07,160
Speaker 1: a tattoo. No, for me, I guess I can't help

1817
01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:09,599
Speaker 1: it be selfish about it. Like I just always felt like, man,

1818
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:11,479
Speaker 1: like six months, I'm gonna not gonna want to look

1819
01:41:11,479 --> 01:41:13,559
Speaker 1: at this anymore, or like it's gonna piss me off,

1820
01:41:13,680 --> 01:41:15,639
Speaker 1: or like, you know, there was a lot of things

1821
01:41:15,680 --> 01:41:18,519
Speaker 1: I really wanted to tattoo unto myself over the years,

1822
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:20,840
Speaker 1: and like I'm just really glad I didn't. There was

1823
01:41:21,560 --> 01:41:23,639
Speaker 1: a guy that there was a when I was in college.

1824
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:25,599
Speaker 1: There was a professor I remember over hearing him say

1825
01:41:25,680 --> 01:41:27,960
Speaker 1: to somebody, nothing looks better than a new tattoo, and

1826
01:41:28,040 --> 01:41:31,639
Speaker 1: nothing looks worse than the old woman. My wife has

1827
01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:34,360
Speaker 1: I think seven or eight tattoos. She is eight. Yeah.

1828
01:41:34,600 --> 01:41:37,320
Speaker 1: I asked her to rank them recently, and the order

1829
01:41:37,439 --> 01:41:39,840
Speaker 1: goes from her most recent to her oldest. So there's

1830
01:41:39,880 --> 01:41:41,680
Speaker 1: there's some of that. I played for sure. She had

1831
01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:44,479
Speaker 1: one on her on her ass neck, like her lower back.

1832
01:41:45,360 --> 01:41:59,240
Speaker 1: Her as kind of heard that one before. Brad, you know,

1833
01:41:59,680 --> 01:42:01,599
Speaker 1: you like to eat a lot of stuff, and you're

1834
01:42:01,760 --> 01:42:03,680
Speaker 1: big in to the food world. But I notice you're

1835
01:42:03,680 --> 01:42:06,080
Speaker 1: not yesterday I noticed fishing or two days ago. When

1836
01:42:06,120 --> 01:42:08,559
Speaker 1: you're fishing, you're not sticky. You don't have a stick

1837
01:42:08,760 --> 01:42:11,840
Speaker 1: because someone proposed you. You know, you can eat a

1838
01:42:11,880 --> 01:42:15,400
Speaker 1: salmon fly. I'm not big. You didn't know. You didn't

1839
01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:18,040
Speaker 1: feel like you gotta be the guy who eats crazy stuff.

1840
01:42:18,240 --> 01:42:20,080
Speaker 1: Oh no, shut it right down. And I have no

1841
01:42:20,320 --> 01:42:22,560
Speaker 1: problem saying, like being comfortable. Why would I eat a

1842
01:42:22,600 --> 01:42:24,720
Speaker 1: salmon fly? Yeah, that's a terrible idea. You know, if

1843
01:42:24,760 --> 01:42:26,360
Speaker 1: we were if we were lost in the in the

1844
01:42:26,479 --> 01:42:29,360
Speaker 1: Montana Mountains and like things were getting real sketchy and

1845
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:33,280
Speaker 1: Brad's getting real hungry, I'm gorgeous. I'm I'm gonna my

1846
01:42:33,400 --> 01:42:36,519
Speaker 1: stomach would look like those whitefish we cleaned. But but

1847
01:42:36,760 --> 01:42:40,479
Speaker 1: you know, just for fun, just for novelty, so you

1848
01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:43,519
Speaker 1: don't feel compelled. Um, someone would be like, look at this,

1849
01:42:43,640 --> 01:42:45,960
Speaker 1: this thing is so old it's rotten. You'd be like, oh,

1850
01:42:46,080 --> 01:42:49,479
Speaker 1: you know that's crazy stuff. No, that was never my thing.

1851
01:42:51,280 --> 01:42:52,840
Speaker 1: How did you carve it? Like? What is your thing?

1852
01:42:53,080 --> 01:42:54,519
Speaker 1: How do you? How did you carve your own path?

1853
01:42:54,920 --> 01:42:56,360
Speaker 1: You know, it's been a hell of a ride, Steve.

1854
01:42:56,439 --> 01:42:58,240
Speaker 1: You know, it's like I didn't get into the food

1855
01:42:59,160 --> 01:43:01,920
Speaker 1: business kind of in this scope, as as far as

1856
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:05,400
Speaker 1: like other than just like Delhi's or small restaurants growing

1857
01:43:05,479 --> 01:43:07,719
Speaker 1: up and stuff like that until I was about twenty

1858
01:43:07,720 --> 01:43:10,439
Speaker 1: seven or eight, um, when I jumped from me and

1859
01:43:10,479 --> 01:43:13,759
Speaker 1: a carpenter and a union glazer and just and overall

1860
01:43:13,880 --> 01:43:15,640
Speaker 1: just I've had a lot of different jobs, mostly in

1861
01:43:15,720 --> 01:43:18,920
Speaker 1: construction and stuff like that. Until I was twenty seven.

1862
01:43:19,000 --> 01:43:21,000
Speaker 1: I was living with these dudes out in this farmhouse

1863
01:43:21,479 --> 01:43:23,719
Speaker 1: in northern New Jersey close to to Delaware Water Gap

1864
01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:26,559
Speaker 1: and just absolutely beautiful. But just didn't want to end up.

1865
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:28,680
Speaker 1: I didn't want to go down that road. You know.

1866
01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:32,240
Speaker 1: I saw a lot of like it was very easy, man,

1867
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:34,040
Speaker 1: Like another year I would have had a kid, I

1868
01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:36,200
Speaker 1: would have bought some stupid house and like I would

1869
01:43:36,200 --> 01:43:38,360
Speaker 1: be commuting an hour each way to the driveway. You know,

1870
01:43:39,240 --> 01:43:41,479
Speaker 1: it's a very common story, and it's a fine story,

1871
01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:44,639
Speaker 1: but like this sounds sounds corny or whatever you want

1872
01:43:44,640 --> 01:43:47,120
Speaker 1: to label it. But I always felt like I always

1873
01:43:47,120 --> 01:43:48,599
Speaker 1: felt like I wanted to do something a little bigger,

1874
01:43:48,600 --> 01:43:50,360
Speaker 1: a little more. I always felt like there was something

1875
01:43:50,520 --> 01:43:52,400
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. I just wasn't gonna do that.

1876
01:43:52,720 --> 01:43:54,640
Speaker 1: And like not to belittle that, because you go to

1877
01:43:54,720 --> 01:43:57,360
Speaker 1: college and everything. No, I went well, I went for

1878
01:43:57,600 --> 01:44:03,240
Speaker 1: um uh some esters, three semesters um to become a cop,

1879
01:44:03,680 --> 01:44:05,559
Speaker 1: and then I was just like, yeah, this ain't gonna

1880
01:44:05,560 --> 01:44:07,840
Speaker 1: work out. I had a hard time in school, you know,

1881
01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:11,360
Speaker 1: very very interested in things, but just struggled with sitting

1882
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:14,720
Speaker 1: there and just like the dumb repetition of just like

1883
01:44:15,560 --> 01:44:17,519
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just always bouncing off the walls,

1884
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:20,120
Speaker 1: always was looking outside, couldn't wait to the bell, wrong

1885
01:44:20,280 --> 01:44:23,400
Speaker 1: kind of thing. Um. But like when I liked something,

1886
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:25,960
Speaker 1: you know, got into it. But I just had a

1887
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:29,000
Speaker 1: trouble with with organized school and just just a whole

1888
01:44:29,120 --> 01:44:32,439
Speaker 1: like schooling factory that this country became where it was

1889
01:44:32,520 --> 01:44:34,360
Speaker 1: just like all right, you're out of high school, Like

1890
01:44:34,360 --> 01:44:36,320
Speaker 1: it's been crazy. You don't even know who you are.

1891
01:44:36,600 --> 01:44:37,960
Speaker 1: You gotta go to college. What do you want to be?

1892
01:44:38,040 --> 01:44:38,880
Speaker 1: What do you want to be for the rest of

1893
01:44:38,920 --> 01:44:41,320
Speaker 1: your life? And it's just like do you know, you know,

1894
01:44:41,479 --> 01:44:44,880
Speaker 1: like whoever? I don't know, so like it just became this,

1895
01:44:45,120 --> 01:44:47,760
Speaker 1: you know man. Yes, So I got into just doing construction,

1896
01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:50,400
Speaker 1: you know, parents kind of probably being disappointed and you

1897
01:44:50,479 --> 01:44:53,479
Speaker 1: know some pit in their stomach, like a really worried

1898
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:56,479
Speaker 1: you know, like kind of just hanging out with you know,

1899
01:44:56,560 --> 01:44:58,799
Speaker 1: good kids, but a lot of losers, a drug addicts

1900
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:01,920
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. And um, you know, always gardening

1901
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:07,439
Speaker 1: and always cooking on the side, and then some uh

1902
01:45:08,080 --> 01:45:09,880
Speaker 1: you know, like you know, I dabbled with the best

1903
01:45:09,960 --> 01:45:12,200
Speaker 1: of them, but like never always wanted to do something else,

1904
01:45:12,280 --> 01:45:15,120
Speaker 1: you know, and then always gardening and cooking no matter

1905
01:45:15,200 --> 01:45:16,800
Speaker 1: where I lived, you know, whether it was on some

1906
01:45:16,920 --> 01:45:19,640
Speaker 1: little weird rooftop or when we had that farmhouse. I

1907
01:45:19,720 --> 01:45:23,320
Speaker 1: turned this guy's old dog dog kennel into a beautiful garden,

1908
01:45:23,439 --> 01:45:26,200
Speaker 1: you know, always growing the vegetables and it was exposed

1909
01:45:26,280 --> 01:45:28,000
Speaker 1: to the hunting and fish. And so I always had

1910
01:45:28,080 --> 01:45:29,960
Speaker 1: that like kind of in me, but then got out

1911
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:33,480
Speaker 1: of it for a while, living in this farmhouse doing construction,

1912
01:45:33,640 --> 01:45:36,519
Speaker 1: and then took a loan out, uh, and just found

1913
01:45:36,560 --> 01:45:39,919
Speaker 1: an apartment on Craigslist in Brooklyn, what about seven roommates

1914
01:45:40,320 --> 01:45:42,000
Speaker 1: and I was I rented, I had this room. It

1915
01:45:42,080 --> 01:45:45,800
Speaker 1: was seven took out rent apartment, well, and go to

1916
01:45:45,840 --> 01:45:47,800
Speaker 1: culinary school. So I left that out. So there was

1917
01:45:47,800 --> 01:45:50,920
Speaker 1: a little culinary school program, a little six month program

1918
01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:54,479
Speaker 1: in Manhattan, and so I got an apartment and my girlfriend,

1919
01:45:54,600 --> 01:45:56,800
Speaker 1: who you know, my wife now she was she was

1920
01:45:56,880 --> 01:45:58,479
Speaker 1: living in the city and I had a really cool

1921
01:45:58,600 --> 01:46:00,640
Speaker 1: job and had her own apartment and stuff along. You

1922
01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:05,240
Speaker 1: guys been together about nine years. Life said well, yeah,

1923
01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:12,280
Speaker 1: we haven't had the wedding yet. You know, we're engaged,

1924
01:46:12,360 --> 01:46:14,280
Speaker 1: we've got kids. I've we've been engaged for how many

1925
01:46:14,360 --> 01:46:19,880
Speaker 1: years A bunch could probably five, but that's okay, you know.

1926
01:46:20,680 --> 01:46:23,720
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, So we went to culinary school, took a loan, now,

1927
01:46:23,880 --> 01:46:25,880
Speaker 1: got at that apartment, and rented a room in this

1928
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:28,160
Speaker 1: house with a bunch of strangers, you know, very New York,

1929
01:46:28,280 --> 01:46:31,040
Speaker 1: very whatever. And everyone end up being friends and you know,

1930
01:46:31,200 --> 01:46:33,280
Speaker 1: still being friends with a bunch of the folks. But

1931
01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:35,240
Speaker 1: it was like, how long was the culinary school like

1932
01:46:35,400 --> 01:46:38,000
Speaker 1: seven six months, quick Turn and burn. I'm not gonna

1933
01:46:38,120 --> 01:46:40,559
Speaker 1: name names, but I didn't really learn but the goals

1934
01:46:40,600 --> 01:46:43,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna place you in a restaurant, you know what

1935
01:46:43,200 --> 01:46:45,280
Speaker 1: it was. I mean, like it's like most culinary Like

1936
01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:47,920
Speaker 1: it's just like colleges. It was like you know, TV,

1937
01:46:48,640 --> 01:46:50,760
Speaker 1: Food Network and all these things, and everyone thought they

1938
01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:53,040
Speaker 1: wanted to go be a chef, but like working in

1939
01:46:53,120 --> 01:46:55,599
Speaker 1: a restaurant, man, is nothing like that. I mean, it's

1940
01:46:55,720 --> 01:46:58,320
Speaker 1: and it's hard work. It's nights and weekends, it's low pay,

1941
01:46:58,439 --> 01:47:00,880
Speaker 1: it's it's you're getting yelled at, are usually in the

1942
01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:03,720
Speaker 1: weeds all night cooking, and it's just it's never really

1943
01:47:03,800 --> 01:47:06,320
Speaker 1: been my way of cooking, even though I really enjoy food.

1944
01:47:06,640 --> 01:47:08,360
Speaker 1: So I took I went to this culinary school to

1945
01:47:08,479 --> 01:47:11,000
Speaker 1: kind of get into the food space and the food

1946
01:47:11,080 --> 01:47:13,240
Speaker 1: world outside of restaurant because it is like such a

1947
01:47:13,320 --> 01:47:15,519
Speaker 1: big I was kind of naive and like I was like, oh,

1948
01:47:15,560 --> 01:47:17,639
Speaker 1: you know, maybe I'll just like work for some company

1949
01:47:17,720 --> 01:47:20,040
Speaker 1: developing flavors. And I'm like, no, Brad, you need their

1950
01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:22,400
Speaker 1: like food scientists and ship like they do, like you know,

1951
01:47:22,520 --> 01:47:24,280
Speaker 1: people that are doctor like you to come up with

1952
01:47:24,400 --> 01:47:27,519
Speaker 1: like cool ranch. Yeah, I know, you know, but like

1953
01:47:27,680 --> 01:47:30,559
Speaker 1: it that kind of just those risk and ambition, kind

1954
01:47:30,560 --> 01:47:33,519
Speaker 1: of blind ambition made me take those chances, and you

1955
01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:35,160
Speaker 1: know it was it's crazy. I don't know how, and

1956
01:47:35,240 --> 01:47:37,599
Speaker 1: I don't really stop to think on why. But it's

1957
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:41,479
Speaker 1: just like I did an internship. You had to and

1958
01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:43,920
Speaker 1: it was at a restaurant or you know, a media

1959
01:47:43,960 --> 01:47:46,479
Speaker 1: place if you could. And for so I just applied

1960
01:47:46,520 --> 01:47:49,680
Speaker 1: to uh, Bone Appetite magazine and I was like, just

1961
01:47:49,800 --> 01:47:52,000
Speaker 1: you know that's how you wand up there, yeah and

1962
01:47:52,280 --> 01:47:56,640
Speaker 1: uh the intern well yeah and again and then over

1963
01:47:56,720 --> 01:47:59,080
Speaker 1: here and then yeah. So I mean they back when

1964
01:47:59,120 --> 01:48:02,640
Speaker 1: they did internship and so it was you know, they

1965
01:48:02,680 --> 01:48:04,360
Speaker 1: had a bunch of people before me and I came in.

1966
01:48:04,439 --> 01:48:07,120
Speaker 1: I was just like lunatic, you know, who's been roofing

1967
01:48:07,200 --> 01:48:09,360
Speaker 1: houses before this, And like I was just like I

1968
01:48:09,479 --> 01:48:10,840
Speaker 1: was like this is great, Like oh my god, I

1969
01:48:10,880 --> 01:48:17,160
Speaker 1: want to do this. At age were the oldest intern yeah,

1970
01:48:20,240 --> 01:48:22,120
Speaker 1: you know, like borderline, but I didn't care, just like

1971
01:48:22,200 --> 01:48:25,640
Speaker 1: get me. And people were like nineteen you know like

1972
01:48:25,800 --> 01:48:29,000
Speaker 1: intern stuff, you know, or twenty whatever people are going

1973
01:48:29,040 --> 01:48:31,240
Speaker 1: to get out of college, like just the arm rassle

1974
01:48:31,320 --> 01:48:33,280
Speaker 1: them all and stuff like that. I had, Like I

1975
01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:35,519
Speaker 1: had a crazy hair cut, like shaved the sides and

1976
01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:37,439
Speaker 1: my hair was like down in my back and ship.

1977
01:48:37,680 --> 01:48:40,719
Speaker 1: I looked like a maniac. But it was a blast.

1978
01:48:40,840 --> 01:48:43,200
Speaker 1: And like I liked working, I liked food, and I

1979
01:48:43,320 --> 01:48:45,600
Speaker 1: was curious, you know, I like to They were like you,

1980
01:48:45,800 --> 01:48:47,360
Speaker 1: I was basically a gopher, you know. I did all

1981
01:48:47,400 --> 01:48:49,560
Speaker 1: the shopping and dishes. But it was New York. I

1982
01:48:49,640 --> 01:48:51,559
Speaker 1: got to go around, go to a different markets meat,

1983
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:54,280
Speaker 1: I'm learning all these different cuisines and you know, and

1984
01:48:54,400 --> 01:48:57,120
Speaker 1: keyword just learning. And then you know, when my my

1985
01:48:57,240 --> 01:48:59,560
Speaker 1: stint as an intern was up, I never forget this.

1986
01:48:59,640 --> 01:49:03,040
Speaker 1: I heard boss at the time and some other some

1987
01:49:03,160 --> 01:49:05,120
Speaker 1: other Bob and they were like, we need to hire

1988
01:49:05,240 --> 01:49:08,880
Speaker 1: someone for brad Spot. And I'm just like, should we

1989
01:49:08,960 --> 01:49:11,320
Speaker 1: get some like young kid who's just like really fired up,

1990
01:49:11,400 --> 01:49:13,719
Speaker 1: or like someone who's like a little more like seasoned

1991
01:49:13,760 --> 01:49:16,559
Speaker 1: and experienced in like media that we could in writing

1992
01:49:16,640 --> 01:49:18,639
Speaker 1: and stuff that we could hire. And I was like, guys,

1993
01:49:18,800 --> 01:49:20,840
Speaker 1: hire me and you can pay me whatever, just get

1994
01:49:20,880 --> 01:49:23,080
Speaker 1: me a foot in. And that's what happened. And then

1995
01:49:23,160 --> 01:49:25,640
Speaker 1: I just, uh, you know, I just between my personality

1996
01:49:25,720 --> 01:49:27,720
Speaker 1: and work ethic and you know, at that time, there

1997
01:49:27,800 --> 01:49:31,040
Speaker 1: was no video. I was hired as a test kitchen assistant,

1998
01:49:31,080 --> 01:49:34,800
Speaker 1: which was really just a glorified dishwasher for I think

1999
01:49:34,840 --> 01:49:37,240
Speaker 1: it was like thirty five dollars is what I started

2000
01:49:37,280 --> 01:49:39,559
Speaker 1: at in New York. So I was working at night

2001
01:49:39,600 --> 01:49:43,120
Speaker 1: at restaurants and stuff, and eventually, like food I started

2002
01:49:43,439 --> 01:49:45,400
Speaker 1: it was test kitchen assistant, and then it became test

2003
01:49:45,479 --> 01:49:48,320
Speaker 1: kitchen manager kind of like running the whole uh you know,

2004
01:49:48,479 --> 01:49:51,919
Speaker 1: like all the sourcing, all the budget, doing recipe development

2005
01:49:52,040 --> 01:49:53,800
Speaker 1: and testing and stuff like that. And it was great,

2006
01:49:53,880 --> 01:49:55,880
Speaker 1: you know, and and then you know, this is about

2007
01:49:55,960 --> 01:49:59,519
Speaker 1: sixty years ago, and then uh, and then there was

2008
01:49:59,680 --> 01:50:02,560
Speaker 1: no video platform like at all. Really there was a

2009
01:50:02,640 --> 01:50:05,840
Speaker 1: little bit of like overhead, hands and pants twenty seconds.

2010
01:50:05,880 --> 01:50:08,040
Speaker 1: No one's watching anything long, you know, and like all

2011
01:50:08,120 --> 01:50:10,720
Speaker 1: right whatever, and we were always, you know, we being

2012
01:50:10,760 --> 01:50:12,479
Speaker 1: bone appetite. I feel like they were always just trying

2013
01:50:12,520 --> 01:50:14,240
Speaker 1: to do catch up to like what everyone else was

2014
01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:17,639
Speaker 1: already doing, Like what's buzzfeeds doing this formula. It's kind

2015
01:50:17,680 --> 01:50:20,360
Speaker 1: of just ride on that and sure it worked, and

2016
01:50:20,840 --> 01:50:23,160
Speaker 1: eventually they started like we were all about chasing these

2017
01:50:23,200 --> 01:50:25,360
Speaker 1: Facebook numbers. It was all about Facebook. They had this

2018
01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:27,439
Speaker 1: new platform. I forget what it was, but they were

2019
01:50:27,479 --> 01:50:30,040
Speaker 1: trying to do like this video thing and that's all

2020
01:50:30,080 --> 01:50:31,599
Speaker 1: we were doing. We were getting like a hundred thousand

2021
01:50:32,040 --> 01:50:34,519
Speaker 1: views on Facebook and it was like man, it was

2022
01:50:34,600 --> 01:50:36,439
Speaker 1: like awesome, like they were gonna fire me and now

2023
01:50:36,560 --> 01:50:39,479
Speaker 1: like we're doing this and uh and then YouTube started

2024
01:50:39,479 --> 01:50:41,439
Speaker 1: to happen, and you know, and they started doing a

2025
01:50:41,520 --> 01:50:45,200
Speaker 1: little bit longer format kind of stuff like they wanted

2026
01:50:45,240 --> 01:50:49,200
Speaker 1: to get in the more like personality driven kind of videos.

2027
01:50:49,560 --> 01:50:52,040
Speaker 1: And they sent us to a few folks that were

2028
01:50:52,080 --> 01:50:54,160
Speaker 1: working in the test kitchen at the time, to this

2029
01:50:54,320 --> 01:50:56,479
Speaker 1: lady on the Upper West Side who like she was

2030
01:50:56,479 --> 01:50:59,120
Speaker 1: a little older, just like very like from a movie,

2031
01:50:59,360 --> 01:51:01,680
Speaker 1: just like I feel like she was like, uh, she

2032
01:51:01,760 --> 01:51:03,560
Speaker 1: must have been like sixty or something, and like she

2033
01:51:03,720 --> 01:51:05,800
Speaker 1: was like she was like training us to be like

2034
01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:07,960
Speaker 1: news anchors, you know what I mean, like this like

2035
01:51:08,280 --> 01:51:11,120
Speaker 1: presence and like the way and what were you Dave. Yeah,

2036
01:51:11,280 --> 01:51:13,720
Speaker 1: she was just like very like l a New York

2037
01:51:13,800 --> 01:51:15,880
Speaker 1: Like she was like she was a nut, right, And

2038
01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:18,120
Speaker 1: we got back to that and they did like these

2039
01:51:18,200 --> 01:51:20,400
Speaker 1: mock up videos and I remember the creation. They were

2040
01:51:20,439 --> 01:51:22,879
Speaker 1: training you to be a media personality. Yeah, yeah, exactly,

2041
01:51:22,960 --> 01:51:26,600
Speaker 1: media training. It was just out of curiosity. What was

2042
01:51:26,640 --> 01:51:28,720
Speaker 1: the biggest piece of advice they had? Oh, I don't

2043
01:51:28,720 --> 01:51:31,400
Speaker 1: even remember a word, she said, Yeah, like I have

2044
01:51:31,520 --> 01:51:33,360
Speaker 1: smiled with her eyes or some ship. I don't know,

2045
01:51:33,520 --> 01:51:35,000
Speaker 1: you know and can tell you. I could you know

2046
01:51:35,080 --> 01:51:37,400
Speaker 1: if I tell you an interesting story, please do Mine's

2047
01:51:37,439 --> 01:51:41,759
Speaker 1: not I met my wife fast. I'm just trying to dovetail.

2048
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:44,360
Speaker 1: I'm trying to dovetail. I'm joking, trying to dovetail onto it.

2049
01:51:45,320 --> 01:51:47,800
Speaker 1: I met my wife. You work, all right? Not wrong

2050
01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:50,439
Speaker 1: with that? So no, no, But when I sold my

2051
01:51:50,479 --> 01:51:52,920
Speaker 1: first book, I saw my first book to mirror Max

2052
01:51:54,040 --> 01:51:56,640
Speaker 1: and she worked for UM. She used to work for

2053
01:51:57,720 --> 01:52:00,599
Speaker 1: Bob and Harvey Weinstein. They made news a little bit,

2054
01:52:01,160 --> 01:52:04,880
Speaker 1: Harvey has uh and they bought my first book long

2055
01:52:04,960 --> 01:52:10,200
Speaker 1: before any scandals. He r UM and I went there too,

2056
01:52:10,520 --> 01:52:14,959
Speaker 1: and I went to meet the team there publication Mirrormax,

2057
01:52:15,240 --> 01:52:18,800
Speaker 1: where she worked, and it was the first time. That's

2058
01:52:18,800 --> 01:52:21,280
Speaker 1: how we met. Okay, those are you in a business meeting?

2059
01:52:21,680 --> 01:52:27,719
Speaker 1: Met a business meet and she later said, because people

2060
01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:32,439
Speaker 1: were talking about pitching me for TV segments, A right.

2061
01:52:32,920 --> 01:52:36,360
Speaker 1: She left the meeting and said to people way too

2062
01:52:36,439 --> 01:52:40,120
Speaker 1: rough around the edge is no way Yep, that's it.

2063
01:52:40,200 --> 01:52:42,200
Speaker 1: And that was kind of me, you know, just like

2064
01:52:43,240 --> 01:52:45,720
Speaker 1: super you know, like raw, not like this is it.

2065
01:52:45,800 --> 01:52:48,679
Speaker 1: It's got one gear and it's Brad and like I'm

2066
01:52:48,680 --> 01:52:50,920
Speaker 1: gonna put it in the brand. That's amazing. That's how

2067
01:52:50,960 --> 01:52:52,960
Speaker 1: you met your wife. So I had that turned into

2068
01:52:53,040 --> 01:52:56,360
Speaker 1: like a date. Oh we knew each other for quite

2069
01:52:56,360 --> 01:52:59,360
Speaker 1: a while. Yeah, and then I went to a different publisher.

2070
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:02,320
Speaker 1: I went to random house and I emailed her to

2071
01:53:02,320 --> 01:53:04,000
Speaker 1: ask her if I could ask her out a good

2072
01:53:04,040 --> 01:53:10,040
Speaker 1: move or if it would be like untoward and it

2073
01:53:10,120 --> 01:53:14,240
Speaker 1: worked out happily married for more longer than most. Oh yeah,

2074
01:53:14,240 --> 01:53:16,920
Speaker 1: we've been married a long time. That's amazing man. And

2075
01:53:17,240 --> 01:53:19,320
Speaker 1: uh yeah, So I mean that's kind of like what

2076
01:53:19,439 --> 01:53:21,040
Speaker 1: the media training that's where it was left. It was

2077
01:53:21,080 --> 01:53:24,080
Speaker 1: like I remember the creative director at the time, he

2078
01:53:24,280 --> 01:53:25,880
Speaker 1: was just like I don't know what that is, but

2079
01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:28,000
Speaker 1: like it's not brad, just like that sucks. So they

2080
01:53:28,040 --> 01:53:30,400
Speaker 1: tell you like be more. I didn't really tell me

2081
01:53:30,520 --> 01:53:32,879
Speaker 1: to have any advice, so that kind of like stopped,

2082
01:53:33,280 --> 01:53:36,200
Speaker 1: and then, um, that's gotta be a is that profession

2083
01:53:36,280 --> 01:53:40,000
Speaker 1: still around? Media training oh god, probably, I'm sure someone's

2084
01:53:40,000 --> 01:53:42,479
Speaker 1: scamming someone. But I mean that I shouldn't be little

2085
01:53:42,520 --> 01:53:44,840
Speaker 1: that because that's just some goofy news show where they

2086
01:53:44,880 --> 01:53:46,400
Speaker 1: send someone out to do a piece about how there's

2087
01:53:46,439 --> 01:53:49,200
Speaker 1: a hurricane happening somewhere someone's teaching and they got their

2088
01:53:49,240 --> 01:53:51,360
Speaker 1: hands like in that way and they do their gestures

2089
01:53:51,400 --> 01:53:54,000
Speaker 1: and it's very controlled, like because because they know that

2090
01:53:54,120 --> 01:53:57,519
Speaker 1: it's head and shoulder shot, so how can I hand

2091
01:53:57,600 --> 01:54:00,120
Speaker 1: gesture to keep it in frame right? Right? Stuff like

2092
01:54:01,120 --> 01:54:03,439
Speaker 1: like over to you Dave, like they got like someone

2093
01:54:03,560 --> 01:54:06,120
Speaker 1: taught them all that, oh big time, And like, I'm

2094
01:54:06,160 --> 01:54:07,880
Speaker 1: sure there is a lot of really good things like that.

2095
01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:09,800
Speaker 1: And I'm just kind of a nut. But like what

2096
01:54:09,960 --> 01:54:11,720
Speaker 1: we started the work for me was just like a

2097
01:54:11,760 --> 01:54:13,840
Speaker 1: creative director was like Brad's always in the test kitchen

2098
01:54:14,080 --> 01:54:16,439
Speaker 1: down there's always got some projects. He's for men and stuff.

2099
01:54:16,880 --> 01:54:19,080
Speaker 1: And they were, you know, and they were like there

2100
01:54:19,160 --> 01:54:21,280
Speaker 1: was this guy Vinnie who I said, we started the show.

2101
01:54:21,360 --> 01:54:28,040
Speaker 1: It I see he's coasting man a lot of my

2102
01:54:28,080 --> 01:54:30,280
Speaker 1: cousin Vinnie. Everything, dude, you sent me all right now

2103
01:54:30,360 --> 01:54:32,080
Speaker 1: to go bring a Vinnie back. He'd be going two

2104
01:54:32,120 --> 01:54:36,160
Speaker 1: weeks's are they still making Vinni's like, is that still

2105
01:54:36,200 --> 01:54:40,040
Speaker 1: like a baby name? Yeah, still making right, Yeah, yeah,

2106
01:54:40,080 --> 01:54:43,840
Speaker 1: Vincent Vincenzo. I call him all types of silly stuff.

2107
01:54:44,120 --> 01:54:46,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, so they were like just go follow him

2108
01:54:46,480 --> 01:54:48,200
Speaker 1: around with a camera and like that's what I loved.

2109
01:54:48,240 --> 01:54:50,160
Speaker 1: It was just me no sound guy know it was

2110
01:54:51,720 --> 01:54:54,240
Speaker 1: I guess you know, and like I learned about editing

2111
01:54:54,720 --> 01:54:56,760
Speaker 1: and uh and they just you know, they've just filmed

2112
01:54:56,760 --> 01:54:58,720
Speaker 1: it around and we put out this like twenty or

2113
01:54:58,800 --> 01:55:01,800
Speaker 1: fifteen minute video about kombucha and it's at on a

2114
01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:03,640
Speaker 1: hard drive for like a year. They're like this is

2115
01:55:03,840 --> 01:55:05,839
Speaker 1: this is horseship. We can't put this on the internet.

2116
01:55:06,360 --> 01:55:08,800
Speaker 1: You know, like this guy can't even speak English, it's

2117
01:55:08,800 --> 01:55:12,080
Speaker 1: his only language and he mumbles and you know, you

2118
01:55:12,240 --> 01:55:15,480
Speaker 1: dropped the kombucha on the floor and they were like, yeah,

2119
01:55:15,600 --> 01:55:18,320
Speaker 1: let's give it a shot, and like thank god because

2120
01:55:18,360 --> 01:55:19,800
Speaker 1: it kind of that's how it all started. And it

2121
01:55:19,960 --> 01:55:22,520
Speaker 1: just became like it worked. Not only did it work,

2122
01:55:22,600 --> 01:55:25,640
Speaker 1: it kind of like you know, reformatted how like they

2123
01:55:25,760 --> 01:55:27,440
Speaker 1: did video. Like all of a sudden, it was just

2124
01:55:27,520 --> 01:55:30,480
Speaker 1: like let people be people and then just became like

2125
01:55:30,560 --> 01:55:32,360
Speaker 1: each very and like for me, I always wanted to

2126
01:55:32,400 --> 01:55:34,840
Speaker 1: make it like listen, guys, I can't. I'm not an actor,

2127
01:55:34,960 --> 01:55:36,640
Speaker 1: Like I can do this. I can just do me

2128
01:55:37,080 --> 01:55:40,880
Speaker 1: and like it turns out that's like really valuable. Were

2129
01:55:41,080 --> 01:55:45,720
Speaker 1: in Memphis to discover the great barbecue world here in Memphis. Yeah,

2130
01:55:45,720 --> 01:55:47,960
Speaker 1: and then they're walking fast forward into the barbecue place.

2131
01:55:48,080 --> 01:55:50,280
Speaker 1: And then I guess like, well, yeah, what becomes like

2132
01:55:50,360 --> 01:55:52,200
Speaker 1: when you not to like toot my own horn? But

2133
01:55:52,240 --> 01:55:53,880
Speaker 1: if you have like people and I mean all you

2134
01:55:53,920 --> 01:55:55,920
Speaker 1: guys are saying like where you have some skill in

2135
01:55:56,040 --> 01:55:58,240
Speaker 1: a bunch of categories, but then you can also just

2136
01:55:58,360 --> 01:56:00,480
Speaker 1: be like good on camera. Like cam freaks a lot

2137
01:56:00,520 --> 01:56:03,000
Speaker 1: of people out. I'm sure you've seen it. Like the

2138
01:56:03,080 --> 01:56:04,560
Speaker 1: one that sticks out to me the most. We are

2139
01:56:04,560 --> 01:56:07,240
Speaker 1: shooting a video in Hawaii about pok and we went

2140
01:56:07,280 --> 01:56:09,680
Speaker 1: into this one supermarket that all the locals got like

2141
01:56:09,760 --> 01:56:12,880
Speaker 1: that's what was the spot? You know? And the lady

2142
01:56:12,960 --> 01:56:15,920
Speaker 1: she was amazing off camera. I mean she was, you know,

2143
01:56:16,120 --> 01:56:18,520
Speaker 1: chat and busting jokes. I think she was punching me.

2144
01:56:18,880 --> 01:56:20,560
Speaker 1: And then as soon as that red light turned on, man,

2145
01:56:20,680 --> 01:56:24,880
Speaker 1: she just clammed up. I don't get someone else, Yeah,

2146
01:56:24,920 --> 01:56:27,160
Speaker 1: I don't think when I when I point this out.

2147
01:56:27,280 --> 01:56:30,760
Speaker 1: It's not a comment on anyone because I don't think

2148
01:56:31,040 --> 01:56:33,760
Speaker 1: more of people who can be on camera. I don't

2149
01:56:33,800 --> 01:56:35,840
Speaker 1: think less of people who can't be on camera. Like,

2150
01:56:35,920 --> 01:56:38,160
Speaker 1: I don't view it as a I don't view it

2151
01:56:38,440 --> 01:56:41,280
Speaker 1: as an admirable No, you're a psycho. If you're good

2152
01:56:41,320 --> 01:56:43,760
Speaker 1: on cameras well, I don't. I don't. I don't view

2153
01:56:43,800 --> 01:56:47,600
Speaker 1: it as an admirable admirable quality. And I don't view

2154
01:56:47,720 --> 01:56:50,040
Speaker 1: not wanting to do it as a negat It's just

2155
01:56:50,120 --> 01:56:53,520
Speaker 1: like to me, it's like it's like whether you like uh,

2156
01:56:54,400 --> 01:56:57,080
Speaker 1: be the same to me, like whether you like bananas,

2157
01:56:57,160 --> 01:56:58,960
Speaker 1: Like I don't give a ship like bananas or not.

2158
01:56:59,360 --> 01:57:01,480
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna hang out you more or less or whatever,

2159
01:57:01,720 --> 01:57:05,520
Speaker 1: depending if things. I'm banana sure. But I found that, Um,

2160
01:57:06,360 --> 01:57:11,080
Speaker 1: there's people that there the other personality in normal life

2161
01:57:11,400 --> 01:57:14,040
Speaker 1: and you put a camera on them, it goes away,

2162
01:57:15,640 --> 01:57:19,960
Speaker 1: which is not good on camera, or another one shows up,

2163
01:57:20,920 --> 01:57:24,280
Speaker 1: came so there's a different personality shows up and that's

2164
01:57:24,280 --> 01:57:28,800
Speaker 1: no good. I don't think It's like it's the people

2165
01:57:28,840 --> 01:57:33,160
Speaker 1: that you do it and nothing happened. They didn't A

2166
01:57:33,280 --> 01:57:36,320
Speaker 1: new one didn't show up, The normal one didn't go away,

2167
01:57:37,480 --> 01:57:41,240
Speaker 1: but somehow they just continue right on and like and

2168
01:57:41,440 --> 01:57:44,000
Speaker 1: there I could teach people that, And like for acting,

2169
01:57:44,120 --> 01:57:46,880
Speaker 1: you know, like Daniel day Lewis or whatever his name is, Like, yeah,

2170
01:57:46,920 --> 01:57:48,640
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that kind of stuff, but like for

2171
01:57:48,760 --> 01:57:51,000
Speaker 1: what we're doing, I feel like you really need that

2172
01:57:51,120 --> 01:57:54,320
Speaker 1: like authenticity when it's more like journalism in a sense,

2173
01:57:54,440 --> 01:57:57,080
Speaker 1: or like documentary style kind of storytelling. You know. One

2174
01:57:57,120 --> 01:57:58,960
Speaker 1: thing I like about I mean what you were talking

2175
01:57:58,960 --> 01:58:00,600
Speaker 1: about kind of set the template or what's been going

2176
01:58:00,640 --> 01:58:02,520
Speaker 1: on with food shows on the internet for a while now,

2177
01:58:02,840 --> 01:58:05,600
Speaker 1: which is not only to not shave off the rough edges,

2178
01:58:05,640 --> 01:58:08,200
Speaker 1: but accentuate them, like what's charming about this person? What's

2179
01:58:08,200 --> 01:58:10,720
Speaker 1: imperfect about them? I love how like your show or

2180
01:58:10,760 --> 01:58:13,600
Speaker 1: Maddie Matheson, you call attention to the fact when you

2181
01:58:13,800 --> 01:58:17,080
Speaker 1: screw up or you stutter or you pronounced something in

2182
01:58:17,200 --> 01:58:19,560
Speaker 1: like an odd way, and it's it's charming and it's

2183
01:58:19,600 --> 01:58:22,000
Speaker 1: fun to watch. And yeah, it's that human element, right,

2184
01:58:22,040 --> 01:58:24,080
Speaker 1: And then I think that's what's missing in in or

2185
01:58:24,160 --> 01:58:26,080
Speaker 1: has been missing for a long time in food, you know,

2186
01:58:26,240 --> 01:58:28,240
Speaker 1: or and and even like I guess you can even

2187
01:58:28,280 --> 01:58:30,520
Speaker 1: tie that into like food and hunting and fishing. You know,

2188
01:58:30,600 --> 01:58:34,400
Speaker 1: it was always just like very like stereotyped image and

2189
01:58:34,480 --> 01:58:35,680
Speaker 1: like to be able to just kind of you know,

2190
01:58:35,760 --> 01:58:37,680
Speaker 1: everyone and all types of people are into it. You know,

2191
01:58:39,040 --> 01:58:43,960
Speaker 1: I'm buying it. Yeah? All right? Good? Uh so talk

2192
01:58:44,040 --> 01:58:47,480
Speaker 1: about it's alive? Like what tell people about the show. Yeah? So,

2193
01:58:47,560 --> 01:58:49,720
Speaker 1: I mean it started with just in the kitchen fermentation,

2194
01:58:50,200 --> 01:58:52,320
Speaker 1: you know, in the test kitchen back when we shot

2195
01:58:52,400 --> 01:58:55,960
Speaker 1: video there and and you know, and it which is

2196
01:58:56,080 --> 01:58:57,680
Speaker 1: you know, the things that I was into, sour kraud,

2197
01:58:57,720 --> 01:58:59,760
Speaker 1: that's where. But what I mean is someone had to

2198
01:59:00,000 --> 01:59:02,600
Speaker 1: one point time, at some point they said, Okay, now

2199
01:59:02,680 --> 01:59:04,920
Speaker 1: you be the person. What do you mean, Like, it's

2200
01:59:04,960 --> 01:59:10,320
Speaker 1: not Vinny, it's you. It was always me there was.

2201
01:59:10,400 --> 01:59:12,360
Speaker 1: It was always just me talking to the camera. You

2202
01:59:12,480 --> 01:59:13,680
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like when you went out and

2203
01:59:13,760 --> 01:59:15,600
Speaker 1: made the thing about I thought you were saying you

2204
01:59:15,960 --> 01:59:19,160
Speaker 1: with a camera followed Vinny to drink kombucha. No, Vinny

2205
01:59:19,200 --> 01:59:23,240
Speaker 1: followed me, Vinny was the camera? Did you understand that?

2206
01:59:23,800 --> 01:59:26,840
Speaker 1: Because I'm very confused. No, I got that, but I

2207
01:59:26,880 --> 01:59:29,880
Speaker 1: also read did you understand that? Yeah? Yeah, these guys,

2208
01:59:29,920 --> 01:59:32,720
Speaker 1: did you really expect you wanna said that? Everyone? How

2209
01:59:32,800 --> 01:59:35,960
Speaker 1: come one I said, you know how to use a camera? No,

2210
01:59:36,080 --> 01:59:40,120
Speaker 1: one said, that's not what he said. I didn't hear

2211
01:59:40,160 --> 01:59:43,240
Speaker 1: that because I actually I made a mental note to

2212
01:59:43,360 --> 01:59:50,760
Speaker 1: take that out. Got in that fragile you can't because

2213
01:59:50,800 --> 01:59:53,440
Speaker 1: I didn't need to, because it would be an easier

2214
01:59:53,600 --> 01:59:56,880
Speaker 1: thing to just let like you you finished your sense

2215
01:59:57,640 --> 01:59:59,560
Speaker 1: and then I'm like, I'm cutting this out and then

2216
01:59:59,600 --> 02:00:01,440
Speaker 1: we're going include But were you worried about Hawr I

2217
02:00:01,440 --> 02:00:04,200
Speaker 1: didn't understand the story. No, no, because it was just

2218
02:00:04,320 --> 02:00:07,680
Speaker 1: like a two second mention. Then we moved on, man Chester,

2219
02:00:07,800 --> 02:00:12,440
Speaker 1: how would you rate? These are the ref edges we're

2220
02:00:12,440 --> 02:00:15,080
Speaker 1: going to keep in this podcast? What you want? Man?

2221
02:00:15,360 --> 02:00:18,440
Speaker 1: If I've cultivated an atmosphere that that that what I

2222
02:00:19,760 --> 02:00:21,280
Speaker 1: love it when people screw up, so I can point

2223
02:00:21,280 --> 02:00:25,960
Speaker 1: it out. Just thrive on that. Chester does that right.

2224
02:00:26,400 --> 02:00:29,280
Speaker 1: What this was is a result of people more interested

2225
02:00:29,320 --> 02:00:32,680
Speaker 1: in the story. So it wasn't going to be conducive.

2226
02:00:35,320 --> 02:00:37,240
Speaker 1: Why did you Yeah, you could have said, like what

2227
02:00:37,360 --> 02:00:39,320
Speaker 1: you just said was really stupid because it like this

2228
02:00:39,400 --> 02:00:44,000
Speaker 1: stuff will buff out. Okay, yeah, sorry man. In your defense, Steve,

2229
02:00:44,120 --> 02:00:46,080
Speaker 1: I don't know how I'm a video host. I'm very

2230
02:00:46,160 --> 02:00:47,960
Speaker 1: I know I'm not a very good talker. You know

2231
02:00:48,000 --> 02:00:50,640
Speaker 1: that at least should be able to track story. I

2232
02:00:50,720 --> 02:00:55,560
Speaker 1: struggle myself out of tend producing that. Karina. She's over

2233
02:00:55,560 --> 02:00:57,600
Speaker 1: there being like, I'll take that. Also, he doesn't look stupid.

2234
02:00:58,360 --> 02:01:00,480
Speaker 1: You're not going to interrupt bread and need to care

2235
02:01:00,560 --> 02:01:02,800
Speaker 1: and let me tell you, Okay, I thought you were

2236
02:01:02,880 --> 02:01:05,520
Speaker 1: filming Vinnie. So then I was like, well, how did

2237
02:01:05,560 --> 02:01:07,920
Speaker 1: it get to be the Vinnie's film? And you okay?

2238
02:01:07,960 --> 02:01:10,600
Speaker 1: I see what with the camera and that can also

2239
02:01:10,680 --> 02:01:12,840
Speaker 1: be like you're good with the camera, as in your

2240
02:01:12,920 --> 02:01:16,040
Speaker 1: good in front of you could have left it in

2241
02:01:16,080 --> 02:01:19,760
Speaker 1: and people might have three people would have thought that

2242
02:01:19,840 --> 02:01:24,440
Speaker 1: that maybe three is generous. But I'm really sorry, man, No,

2243
02:01:24,600 --> 02:01:26,480
Speaker 1: I don't be at all. I have zero now that

2244
02:01:26,600 --> 02:01:28,960
Speaker 1: that was the birth. Yeah, and it just kind of

2245
02:01:29,000 --> 02:01:32,000
Speaker 1: became and they getting started organically. It was great, Like

2246
02:01:32,120 --> 02:01:34,600
Speaker 1: on paper, I should not it shouldn't have worked, you know,

2247
02:01:34,760 --> 02:01:37,040
Speaker 1: like every one of the Bob's was like, no, this

2248
02:01:37,280 --> 02:01:39,240
Speaker 1: is fucking stupid part of my friend kids. I'm sorry,

2249
02:01:39,320 --> 02:01:43,880
Speaker 1: what's What's I get it? What is a bob? Because

2250
02:01:43,880 --> 02:01:46,080
Speaker 1: their name is not Bob. No, that's just what I

2251
02:01:46,160 --> 02:01:48,680
Speaker 1: call the boss hunter. I called the boss is bobs.

2252
02:01:49,040 --> 02:01:50,800
Speaker 1: I think some of my office space or something, right,

2253
02:01:50,960 --> 02:01:53,400
Speaker 1: the bobs. You know, so all the all the all

2254
02:01:53,480 --> 02:01:56,240
Speaker 1: the Bob's I just called the bobs. Keeps it, keeps

2255
02:01:56,320 --> 02:01:58,760
Speaker 1: them impersonal. I can make fun of him without making

2256
02:01:58,800 --> 02:02:00,960
Speaker 1: fun of him because you're not hurting friends feelings. Yeah,

2257
02:02:01,000 --> 02:02:03,400
Speaker 1: they can't fire me quite, you know. So then all

2258
02:02:03,400 --> 02:02:05,880
Speaker 1: of a sudden, like wow, this guy, this guy of

2259
02:02:05,960 --> 02:02:08,080
Speaker 1: all people. Yeah, so what's great is that it's just

2260
02:02:08,160 --> 02:02:10,160
Speaker 1: kind of for me anyway, and I guess for everyone

2261
02:02:10,480 --> 02:02:12,080
Speaker 1: is that it was just organic and it just kind

2262
02:02:12,120 --> 02:02:14,400
Speaker 1: of grew its own thing. It was never like a

2263
02:02:14,840 --> 02:02:18,040
Speaker 1: it wasn't developed, you know, like like Conde like whatever

2264
02:02:18,120 --> 02:02:19,520
Speaker 1: they got, like you know, a group of folks that

2265
02:02:19,600 --> 02:02:22,000
Speaker 1: come up with ideas and strategies and what we name

2266
02:02:22,040 --> 02:02:25,000
Speaker 1: it and what, you know, the formulas of shows, and

2267
02:02:25,080 --> 02:02:28,160
Speaker 1: this one was just like all right, well it's it's

2268
02:02:28,360 --> 02:02:32,040
Speaker 1: it's continuing to grow. Like let's just why try to

2269
02:02:32,120 --> 02:02:34,960
Speaker 1: fix it if it's like it was just happened organic,

2270
02:02:35,000 --> 02:02:38,280
Speaker 1: which was beautiful and like really unfortunate because it allowed

2271
02:02:38,320 --> 02:02:41,120
Speaker 1: me to get into things very untraditional to the magazine

2272
02:02:41,120 --> 02:02:43,400
Speaker 1: in brand, like I am definitely the first person to

2273
02:02:43,480 --> 02:02:47,120
Speaker 1: ever shoot kill clean and cook something for kind and

2274
02:02:47,200 --> 02:02:49,360
Speaker 1: asked like, because that was that was my next question,

2275
02:02:49,720 --> 02:02:52,120
Speaker 1: beat you And yeah, definitely had that. I mean I

2276
02:02:52,240 --> 02:02:54,560
Speaker 1: was the first video talent I think they ever hired.

2277
02:02:54,920 --> 02:02:56,680
Speaker 1: You know that was awkward. Did you have to go

2278
02:02:56,760 --> 02:02:59,720
Speaker 1: in one day and be like, so listen, oh yeah,

2279
02:03:00,120 --> 02:03:03,360
Speaker 1: this thing well, I mean they know it was Yeah,

2280
02:03:03,400 --> 02:03:05,440
Speaker 1: I mean it was. Yeah. Fishing is like the easy one.

2281
02:03:05,480 --> 02:03:07,200
Speaker 1: Like we went and shot some birds, you know, and

2282
02:03:07,280 --> 02:03:10,160
Speaker 1: like and did that turned into a big old conversation. No,

2283
02:03:10,320 --> 02:03:11,720
Speaker 1: And I was like, listen, guys, let's just take a

2284
02:03:11,800 --> 02:03:14,480
Speaker 1: risk and trust me, like outside of this Manhattan bubble.

2285
02:03:14,560 --> 02:03:16,400
Speaker 1: It's a big thing and we all know someone who

2286
02:03:16,440 --> 02:03:20,760
Speaker 1: does do it. And you know what, it took a

2287
02:03:20,880 --> 02:03:23,360
Speaker 1: room full of lawyers and I'm sure every some of

2288
02:03:23,400 --> 02:03:26,160
Speaker 1: the bobs were like this is terrible, but like, you know,

2289
02:03:26,280 --> 02:03:27,960
Speaker 1: we ended up they let me do it, and it

2290
02:03:28,080 --> 02:03:29,800
Speaker 1: was almost like it's all about how we package it.

2291
02:03:29,880 --> 02:03:32,760
Speaker 1: And like the way I said it was like, listen,

2292
02:03:32,800 --> 02:03:35,760
Speaker 1: if this bothers you and you and maybe you shouldn't

2293
02:03:35,760 --> 02:03:37,240
Speaker 1: eat me, you know, but if you do eat me

2294
02:03:37,320 --> 02:03:39,920
Speaker 1: and it bothers you, like that's a problem because like

2295
02:03:40,040 --> 02:03:42,880
Speaker 1: this it doesn't happen any better cleaner, you know, when

2296
02:03:42,920 --> 02:03:45,280
Speaker 1: you go and buy your pork chop with no face

2297
02:03:45,400 --> 02:03:47,320
Speaker 1: in a plastic wrap pat you know, and like, and

2298
02:03:47,440 --> 02:03:50,040
Speaker 1: that's fine. I'm okay that you do, you know, and like,

2299
02:03:50,600 --> 02:03:52,760
Speaker 1: but like realize, like me doing it and cleaning it

2300
02:03:52,760 --> 02:03:55,120
Speaker 1: and showing the process, if that bothers you that much,

2301
02:03:55,200 --> 02:03:57,600
Speaker 1: then again you shouldn't probably eat me, you know, like

2302
02:03:57,880 --> 02:04:01,480
Speaker 1: why like you gotta be okay with the dirty work,

2303
02:04:01,920 --> 02:04:03,960
Speaker 1: you know. And at the end of the day, you know,

2304
02:04:04,280 --> 02:04:06,480
Speaker 1: and we've got a great response from you know, the

2305
02:04:06,720 --> 02:04:10,280
Speaker 1: vegan and vegetarian uh fans, And it was all about

2306
02:04:10,320 --> 02:04:13,320
Speaker 1: like listen, no one wants, no one except for the

2307
02:04:13,800 --> 02:04:17,160
Speaker 1: bob's making the money off. And no one wants factory farms.

2308
02:04:17,240 --> 02:04:20,720
Speaker 1: No one wants you know, poorly treated and farmed animals

2309
02:04:20,760 --> 02:04:22,320
Speaker 1: and slaughtered and you go dry by some of them

2310
02:04:22,360 --> 02:04:25,240
Speaker 1: big feed lots. It's disgusting, Like that's not food anymore,

2311
02:04:25,320 --> 02:04:27,880
Speaker 1: you know. That's just the industrialization of the food chain

2312
02:04:28,040 --> 02:04:30,040
Speaker 1: is where it all kind of started, the crumble, And

2313
02:04:30,120 --> 02:04:33,240
Speaker 1: that's where you know, I honestly don't recall getting any

2314
02:04:33,320 --> 02:04:36,240
Speaker 1: negative Like there was a couple like stupid make people

2315
02:04:36,400 --> 02:04:40,360
Speaker 1: just like trolling, But like nine percent of the stuff

2316
02:04:40,400 --> 02:04:44,520
Speaker 1: that I've done, it's just been super positive. And it's

2317
02:04:44,560 --> 02:04:46,360
Speaker 1: just the packaging, you know, it's just value word it.

2318
02:04:47,160 --> 02:04:48,600
Speaker 1: And we could have feel I want to get a

2319
02:04:48,640 --> 02:04:53,000
Speaker 1: good feed lot person on, yeah, I would interest level up. Yeah,

2320
02:04:53,720 --> 02:04:56,160
Speaker 1: people like take cracks feed lots. But I mean, but

2321
02:04:57,360 --> 02:04:59,120
Speaker 1: and you know, I get it, but I feel like

2322
02:04:59,160 --> 02:05:03,440
Speaker 1: there's a systems come about in certain ways. Well man,

2323
02:05:03,520 --> 02:05:05,920
Speaker 1: this I've only done. We don't need to start debating

2324
02:05:05,960 --> 02:05:07,800
Speaker 1: feed lost. But I'd like to get a good feedbut person, yeah,

2325
02:05:07,800 --> 02:05:09,480
Speaker 1: and you should because I'm not. I had to have

2326
02:05:09,640 --> 02:05:13,320
Speaker 1: the reference that I gave you out of um yeah,

2327
02:05:13,360 --> 02:05:15,800
Speaker 1: I got I got you covered. Just you know what

2328
02:05:16,040 --> 02:05:19,520
Speaker 1: it's like. Well, I mean, I think it comes down

2329
02:05:19,560 --> 02:05:22,160
Speaker 1: to us. It's just a matter of me personally. I'm

2330
02:05:22,200 --> 02:05:25,600
Speaker 1: not into you know, cows just being you know they

2331
02:05:25,720 --> 02:05:28,040
Speaker 1: But from what I've been taught is that they are

2332
02:05:28,120 --> 02:05:30,000
Speaker 1: fed a bunch of grain and it's a super unhealthy

2333
02:05:30,080 --> 02:05:31,800
Speaker 1: for him and people don't like the looks of it.

2334
02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:33,600
Speaker 1: And it gets really no, I don't like the looks

2335
02:05:33,640 --> 02:05:35,120
Speaker 1: of it. And then I don't know is the is

2336
02:05:35,160 --> 02:05:37,160
Speaker 1: the cattle super healthy? I don't know. I would love

2337
02:05:37,240 --> 02:05:38,920
Speaker 1: to learn more about that. Yeah, well yeah, I mean,

2338
02:05:39,040 --> 02:05:40,760
Speaker 1: you know, if you're driving your kids down the road

2339
02:05:41,080 --> 02:05:46,840
Speaker 1: and they see any um anything around, like an industrialized

2340
02:05:46,880 --> 02:05:53,400
Speaker 1: meat production, they don't warm up. Hmm. They're they're assaulted

2341
02:05:53,480 --> 02:05:58,280
Speaker 1: with a real serious smell, which doesn't like set set

2342
02:05:58,360 --> 02:06:01,640
Speaker 1: their minds in a spot where they're I'm super interesting,

2343
02:06:01,720 --> 02:06:04,760
Speaker 1: what's happening out that? And the visual you know, the

2344
02:06:05,480 --> 02:06:07,120
Speaker 1: the optics of it, you know the ones that I've

2345
02:06:07,160 --> 02:06:09,000
Speaker 1: gone past. I think it was in Nebraska or something

2346
02:06:09,000 --> 02:06:11,400
Speaker 1: when I was little, was it was just like mountains

2347
02:06:11,440 --> 02:06:17,200
Speaker 1: of cow manure, thank you, and just mountains of just

2348
02:06:18,200 --> 02:06:21,040
Speaker 1: miserable looking animals on top of them, just certain waiting

2349
02:06:21,120 --> 02:06:24,080
Speaker 1: in line, and I guess go get just run through

2350
02:06:24,120 --> 02:06:26,320
Speaker 1: the you know the and I get it. You know, people,

2351
02:06:26,440 --> 02:06:28,360
Speaker 1: that's how they feed the world. And you know my

2352
02:06:28,520 --> 02:06:34,800
Speaker 1: parents growing up, were they buying Farmers Market amazing whatever meat? No, man,

2353
02:06:34,920 --> 02:06:37,560
Speaker 1: my mom was buying Tyson buy one, get one free,

2354
02:06:37,720 --> 02:06:40,640
Speaker 1: you know, manager special. You know that's what you're telling

2355
02:06:41,000 --> 02:06:43,920
Speaker 1: if she didn't have the orange sticker and like its

2356
02:06:43,960 --> 02:06:46,320
Speaker 1: gonna go bad in three days. Yeah. When I was

2357
02:06:46,360 --> 02:06:48,320
Speaker 1: just I was just home visit my mom and she

2358
02:06:48,440 --> 02:06:51,120
Speaker 1: wanted me to grill some chicken one night, and she

2359
02:06:51,240 --> 02:06:57,840
Speaker 1: pulls out just like never ending tray. To her credit,

2360
02:06:57,920 --> 02:07:01,840
Speaker 1: she's into drums. Yeah, those like thirty chickens drumsticks all

2361
02:07:01,880 --> 02:07:04,280
Speaker 1: lined up, you know. But it's just yeah, they're not

2362
02:07:04,440 --> 02:07:07,160
Speaker 1: coming off of you know, Uncle Bob's farm. That's why

2363
02:07:07,200 --> 02:07:11,600
Speaker 1: there's a shortage right now, the wingstop has like changed

2364
02:07:11,680 --> 02:07:15,160
Speaker 1: their whole marketing around. Now they're serving thighs because like

2365
02:07:15,280 --> 02:07:17,440
Speaker 1: everything else during COVID, there's a shortage of wings in

2366
02:07:17,480 --> 02:07:21,400
Speaker 1: the world. Oh, only two on a bird, right, you know,

2367
02:07:21,800 --> 02:07:25,040
Speaker 1: it's right, it's really that is hilarious, really appreciate it.

2368
02:07:25,600 --> 02:07:29,960
Speaker 1: In Wisconsin, a good example of the big feed lot

2369
02:07:30,400 --> 02:07:33,240
Speaker 1: cows like kind of a negative look is when I

2370
02:07:33,320 --> 02:07:35,880
Speaker 1: was growing up, there used to be a ton of small,

2371
02:07:36,000 --> 02:07:39,960
Speaker 1: little dairy farms, you know, like two d three hundred

2372
02:07:39,960 --> 02:07:43,000
Speaker 1: acre farms. They got forty head of cows. They got

2373
02:07:43,080 --> 02:07:46,360
Speaker 1: this little dairy barn. They're actually out in the past

2374
02:07:46,400 --> 02:07:48,600
Speaker 1: years that bring them in morning and night to milk.

2375
02:07:48,800 --> 02:07:50,360
Speaker 1: Making your kids get up at two in the morning

2376
02:07:50,400 --> 02:07:52,320
Speaker 1: to milk those cows before they go to the bus stop.

2377
02:07:52,440 --> 02:07:53,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you don't want to be a dairy kid.

2378
02:07:54,160 --> 02:07:59,400
Speaker 1: They practice good um crop techniques like strip cropping for

2379
02:07:59,680 --> 02:08:03,320
Speaker 1: rose in But now you rarely see a mom and

2380
02:08:03,360 --> 02:08:06,880
Speaker 1: pop dairy farm anymore except a couple of small organic ones.

2381
02:08:07,240 --> 02:08:12,040
Speaker 1: And it's all these huge, massive barns packed full of cattle.

2382
02:08:12,680 --> 02:08:19,120
Speaker 1: They rarely get outside. They're not practicing good strip cropping techniques,

2383
02:08:19,200 --> 02:08:21,640
Speaker 1: which in that I mean like on all the little

2384
02:08:21,760 --> 02:08:25,280
Speaker 1: rolling hills in Wisconsin, it's good to mix up your

2385
02:08:25,320 --> 02:08:28,320
Speaker 1: crop from like corn to l FLFA back to corn

2386
02:08:28,600 --> 02:08:31,600
Speaker 1: to beans because you get a different roots system in there,

2387
02:08:32,680 --> 02:08:35,760
Speaker 1: yea and soil health. You know what you're saying is

2388
02:08:35,920 --> 02:08:37,680
Speaker 1: is I'm glad you brought that up, man, because it's

2389
02:08:37,720 --> 02:08:41,320
Speaker 1: a major problem you know, the country. Yeah, And it's

2390
02:08:41,400 --> 02:08:43,240
Speaker 1: it's it's just a little sad to see in that

2391
02:08:43,360 --> 02:08:46,360
Speaker 1: area because it was it's nice to see the mom

2392
02:08:46,440 --> 02:08:49,120
Speaker 1: and pop farms making it. And now you go and

2393
02:08:49,240 --> 02:08:53,560
Speaker 1: you see a two thousand, three thousand, four thousand head

2394
02:08:53,600 --> 02:08:58,320
Speaker 1: of cattle farm and all these old little red white

2395
02:08:58,440 --> 02:09:03,360
Speaker 1: barns are just you know, rotting away. I was at

2396
02:09:03,440 --> 02:09:07,560
Speaker 1: a livestock auction with some cattle ranchers one time, like

2397
02:09:07,680 --> 02:09:12,520
Speaker 1: Kyle Calf Operation guys, and I remember where they were selling.

2398
02:09:12,600 --> 02:09:17,280
Speaker 1: They were selling animals at the auction. I remember someone

2399
02:09:17,440 --> 02:09:23,480
Speaker 1: was unloading uh load of cows and they expressed like

2400
02:09:23,640 --> 02:09:29,080
Speaker 1: disgust about the cows that were getting offloaded. And these

2401
02:09:29,120 --> 02:09:32,520
Speaker 1: are not like soft men, but they kind of had

2402
02:09:32,560 --> 02:09:36,440
Speaker 1: like the how could you do that? And you know,

2403
02:09:36,560 --> 02:09:38,320
Speaker 1: I when I'm not trained to look at that kind

2404
02:09:38,320 --> 02:09:42,600
Speaker 1: of stuff that well, like what what? And they're like

2405
02:09:42,760 --> 02:09:47,160
Speaker 1: milked out dairy cows and they were kind of like

2406
02:09:47,240 --> 02:09:53,240
Speaker 1: offended by the condition of these animals coming off and

2407
02:09:53,320 --> 02:09:55,640
Speaker 1: these are these are people who are in animal husbandry,

2408
02:09:56,040 --> 02:09:57,960
Speaker 1: So there's more to it. I think it's easy for

2409
02:09:57,960 --> 02:10:01,160
Speaker 1: people not an animal husbandry, not in farm and ranch

2410
02:10:01,800 --> 02:10:04,680
Speaker 1: to come in and you know, like coming like a

2411
02:10:04,760 --> 02:10:09,480
Speaker 1: dilettante and condemn this and condemned that. But I mean

2412
02:10:10,800 --> 02:10:12,840
Speaker 1: I was in there with people who have been in

2413
02:10:13,080 --> 02:10:16,760
Speaker 1: production their whole lives, who had a very strong condemnation

2414
02:10:16,960 --> 02:10:23,640
Speaker 1: about animal hustldry practices of people. It's interesting subject. Were

2415
02:10:23,680 --> 02:10:26,160
Speaker 1: these beat up cows coming from a small farmer, big farm, No,

2416
02:10:26,280 --> 02:10:29,080
Speaker 1: they were coming from a big we were close to

2417
02:10:29,280 --> 02:10:31,480
Speaker 1: it was where a lot of milked out dairy cows

2418
02:10:31,880 --> 02:10:35,000
Speaker 1: go from big production places and they go into fast

2419
02:10:35,040 --> 02:10:37,240
Speaker 1: food burger. That's what they're saying, that that's where all

2420
02:10:37,280 --> 02:10:40,400
Speaker 1: those animals are death. But they were commenting on just

2421
02:10:40,480 --> 02:10:45,959
Speaker 1: how like the broken down this quality of the animals,

2422
02:10:46,040 --> 02:10:50,360
Speaker 1: which to them was indicative of um, indicative of like

2423
02:10:50,480 --> 02:10:54,240
Speaker 1: kind of like the cycling practice, and and it just

2424
02:10:54,360 --> 02:10:56,480
Speaker 1: became you know, and it's like do you need tomatoes

2425
02:10:56,720 --> 02:10:59,520
Speaker 1: every day of the year? Do you need Do I

2426
02:10:59,600 --> 02:11:01,960
Speaker 1: need this nothing special anymore? Like you asked my six

2427
02:11:02,040 --> 02:11:05,040
Speaker 1: year old, he would say, no, well, fine, strawberries, you know,

2428
02:11:05,120 --> 02:11:08,080
Speaker 1: like whatever you know, of course, you know, but like

2429
02:11:08,360 --> 02:11:11,560
Speaker 1: there's something to be said about like waiting for things

2430
02:11:11,640 --> 02:11:14,720
Speaker 1: to be like happened naturally right right again season, you know,

2431
02:11:14,800 --> 02:11:16,560
Speaker 1: and I think that can that that applies to that

2432
02:11:16,800 --> 02:11:18,720
Speaker 1: too as well, you know, like do you need and

2433
02:11:18,800 --> 02:11:20,560
Speaker 1: like sure, listen to me, I guess right, but like

2434
02:11:20,960 --> 02:11:23,560
Speaker 1: do you need to have beef? I don't need to

2435
02:11:23,600 --> 02:11:25,360
Speaker 1: have a I don't eat it every day, but like

2436
02:11:25,680 --> 02:11:27,560
Speaker 1: there's something nice to be able, like all right, yeah,

2437
02:11:27,600 --> 02:11:29,840
Speaker 1: it's this is the time of the month when like

2438
02:11:29,920 --> 02:11:31,920
Speaker 1: beefs around here, and like it's or something like that,

2439
02:11:32,120 --> 02:11:34,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like just that recipe I

2440
02:11:34,240 --> 02:11:39,640
Speaker 1: made last night for the Agua Chile like cucumbers, right,

2441
02:11:39,720 --> 02:11:43,000
Speaker 1: and there's like no good cucumbers around here. Like I

2442
02:11:43,040 --> 02:11:44,960
Speaker 1: don't care where you buy them. I'm not against technic.

2443
02:11:45,640 --> 02:11:47,880
Speaker 1: I'm not against technology and those things. Those cucumbers were

2444
02:11:47,880 --> 02:11:50,200
Speaker 1: probably grown in a greenhouse in Mexico, and I like,

2445
02:11:50,320 --> 02:11:53,400
Speaker 1: I wanted to make that recipe, so I bought those cucumbers,

2446
02:11:53,440 --> 02:11:54,640
Speaker 1: and all I could think is, like, you know, all

2447
02:11:54,680 --> 02:11:57,200
Speaker 1: this is good. I can't wait to try this again.

2448
02:11:57,440 --> 02:12:00,280
Speaker 1: If the practice makes sense, I can get behind, you

2449
02:12:00,320 --> 02:12:02,280
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like I saw a tomato farm

2450
02:12:02,600 --> 02:12:04,920
Speaker 1: outside of Detroit one time. We did a video and

2451
02:12:05,000 --> 02:12:08,800
Speaker 1: it was I'm talking square acreage of indoor tomatoes and

2452
02:12:08,880 --> 02:12:11,600
Speaker 1: they was just all, you know, it's organic and just

2453
02:12:11,720 --> 02:12:13,480
Speaker 1: dialed in and as far as like you know, it's

2454
02:12:13,480 --> 02:12:16,200
Speaker 1: all solar panels, and like sure, I mean, if you're

2455
02:12:16,240 --> 02:12:18,640
Speaker 1: making a good product, and I'm not against technology, it's

2456
02:12:18,640 --> 02:12:21,400
Speaker 1: the only chance we have, you know, But like localizing

2457
02:12:21,400 --> 02:12:23,720
Speaker 1: a little bit and just that whole massive just like

2458
02:12:24,680 --> 02:12:27,240
Speaker 1: the Big Bob's running the you know, big food game,

2459
02:12:27,480 --> 02:12:29,720
Speaker 1: and just kind of that industrial treating it like it

2460
02:12:29,840 --> 02:12:31,960
Speaker 1: was cars, Like we did everything else in this country,

2461
02:12:32,080 --> 02:12:35,800
Speaker 1: you know, faster, more cheaper, and we just stripped that down,

2462
02:12:36,200 --> 02:12:38,640
Speaker 1: you know, and not everyone's hunting, and you know, isn't

2463
02:12:38,640 --> 02:12:41,240
Speaker 1: gonna isn't gonna solve world hunger, you know, But like

2464
02:12:41,680 --> 02:12:44,120
Speaker 1: I think, just localizing, not like the point if every

2465
02:12:44,160 --> 02:12:47,720
Speaker 1: American killed a deer next year, we'd be two hundred

2466
02:12:47,720 --> 02:12:51,480
Speaker 1: million deer in the whole. Yeah, that's insane. How many

2467
02:12:52,680 --> 02:12:54,240
Speaker 1: What is the deer pie? Of course, but what is

2468
02:12:54,320 --> 02:12:56,360
Speaker 1: the deer population? It was like a million of them

2469
02:12:56,440 --> 02:13:01,080
Speaker 1: or something, isn't there right, I was saying sixty, But

2470
02:13:01,360 --> 02:13:04,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. He'd be a beggar hole. You never

2471
02:13:04,360 --> 02:13:06,920
Speaker 1: climb out of it. Oh, you know. I was recently

2472
02:13:06,960 --> 02:13:10,720
Speaker 1: doing an interview for a documentary about um. I was

2473
02:13:10,760 --> 02:13:14,880
Speaker 1: doing an interview for a documentary about Buffalo, not the town,

2474
02:13:14,960 --> 02:13:18,080
Speaker 1: but bison, the animal, And I was kind of like

2475
02:13:18,160 --> 02:13:23,600
Speaker 1: thinking about the extermination, near near annihilation of the herds,

2476
02:13:24,800 --> 02:13:28,560
Speaker 1: and the fashionable number nowadays is there was maybe about

2477
02:13:28,640 --> 02:13:32,839
Speaker 1: thirty two million bison at the time of European contact.

2478
02:13:33,720 --> 02:13:35,240
Speaker 1: And I kind of got to try to find a

2479
02:13:35,320 --> 02:13:39,000
Speaker 1: way to find to uh, to put that in perspective.

2480
02:13:40,280 --> 02:13:45,280
Speaker 1: This country, we slaughter more cattle every year. Then there

2481
02:13:45,280 --> 02:13:47,320
Speaker 1: were buffalo on the landscape at the time of European

2482
02:13:47,400 --> 02:13:51,040
Speaker 1: contact killed about I think they're killing about thirty nine

2483
02:13:51,200 --> 02:13:55,000
Speaker 1: million a year in this country. Then puts in perspective

2484
02:13:55,080 --> 02:13:58,880
Speaker 1: like people like how could they have you know the US? Uh,

2485
02:13:59,160 --> 02:14:03,080
Speaker 1: the U s population's three million. The US deer population

2486
02:14:03,200 --> 02:14:07,120
Speaker 1: is thirty eight million. Would be three million shorts. Since

2487
02:14:07,160 --> 02:14:09,400
Speaker 1: we're pulling up a little fun facts, look up how

2488
02:14:09,480 --> 02:14:13,800
Speaker 1: many pigs are slaughtered? Not as many as cows or oh,

2489
02:14:13,920 --> 02:14:16,160
Speaker 1: it's like in the world, it's like a billion in

2490
02:14:16,240 --> 02:14:18,200
Speaker 1: the world, or even in the US. I bet you

2491
02:14:18,240 --> 02:14:22,240
Speaker 1: it is more than than cow hundred thirty million, hogs

2492
02:14:23,960 --> 02:14:28,800
Speaker 1: cheese and uh it looks like gold. Don't give me

2493
02:14:28,840 --> 02:14:33,320
Speaker 1: no global numbers that's in the United States. How many

2494
02:14:34,000 --> 02:14:36,640
Speaker 1: hundred thirty million? Yeah, global will make you throw up.

2495
02:14:37,240 --> 02:14:39,040
Speaker 1: It doesn't maybe throw up, no, but I mean it's

2496
02:14:39,080 --> 02:14:45,040
Speaker 1: it's a lot of animals, like like you get China

2497
02:14:45,080 --> 02:14:46,920
Speaker 1: in the game and other you know, big big countries

2498
02:14:46,960 --> 02:14:49,280
Speaker 1: that are just cranking them out. I mean, sure, I'm

2499
02:14:49,320 --> 02:14:51,360
Speaker 1: not against people eating it, right, who are we to

2500
02:14:51,440 --> 02:14:54,600
Speaker 1: just eat them like you know everywhere across the world.

2501
02:14:54,800 --> 02:14:57,000
Speaker 1: You know, we're not the worst, you know what I mean? Like, no,

2502
02:14:57,080 --> 02:14:59,040
Speaker 1: we're not the worst. But we're the among the richest,

2503
02:14:59,120 --> 02:15:00,720
Speaker 1: so I think like to come in and be like

2504
02:15:00,880 --> 02:15:05,280
Speaker 1: I you know, I don't like your people's numbers. I'm

2505
02:15:05,320 --> 02:15:08,360
Speaker 1: talking about practice. I'm sure you know. I think bad

2506
02:15:08,400 --> 02:15:11,800
Speaker 1: practice happens everywhere as sure as hell happens here. But

2507
02:15:11,920 --> 02:15:13,840
Speaker 1: you know that must it happens globally, and we can

2508
02:15:13,880 --> 02:15:16,240
Speaker 1: afford and it's not a bad thing. We can afford

2509
02:15:16,320 --> 02:15:21,000
Speaker 1: to be very finicky about what we eat. And I

2510
02:15:21,040 --> 02:15:22,440
Speaker 1: think it's important to keep in mind a lot of

2511
02:15:22,480 --> 02:15:25,280
Speaker 1: people do not have that luxury. But it doesn't have

2512
02:15:25,360 --> 02:15:26,720
Speaker 1: to be that way. A lot of people don't have

2513
02:15:26,800 --> 02:15:30,240
Speaker 1: the good. Food is too expensive, and that's our that's

2514
02:15:30,240 --> 02:15:33,040
Speaker 1: our government's fault. I think, you know, the way it's

2515
02:15:33,040 --> 02:15:35,000
Speaker 1: all been systematized. You know, it doesn't I don't think

2516
02:15:35,040 --> 02:15:38,560
Speaker 1: it needs food. Food is expensive and it's only getting

2517
02:15:38,640 --> 02:15:41,120
Speaker 1: more expensive. But like like my mom and like most

2518
02:15:41,160 --> 02:15:46,560
Speaker 1: people's growing up, they could only afford what the big

2519
02:15:46,680 --> 02:15:49,880
Speaker 1: system made available because the bobs are making money, Steve,

2520
02:15:50,600 --> 02:15:52,840
Speaker 1: you know, and like, I think that's the big change.

2521
02:15:52,920 --> 02:15:54,440
Speaker 1: That Not to get all crazy and you guys, but

2522
02:15:54,480 --> 02:15:56,360
Speaker 1: I think that's how that that's something you're getting crazy.

2523
02:15:56,360 --> 02:15:57,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think it's it's a it's

2524
02:15:57,880 --> 02:16:00,560
Speaker 1: a rich field of inquiry. Yeah, I don't. I don't

2525
02:16:00,560 --> 02:16:02,560
Speaker 1: think we need to um, I don't think we need

2526
02:16:02,600 --> 02:16:05,240
Speaker 1: to sit here and exactly have the same time. No,

2527
02:16:05,360 --> 02:16:07,160
Speaker 1: of course I'm not that committed to my vision. Well

2528
02:16:07,200 --> 02:16:09,280
Speaker 1: that's that's beauty because I don't understand it as thoroughly

2529
02:16:09,280 --> 02:16:11,440
Speaker 1: as i'd like to listen. And as long as we're

2530
02:16:11,440 --> 02:16:13,080
Speaker 1: all have an open mind, right because as soon as

2531
02:16:13,160 --> 02:16:15,680
Speaker 1: some person this is it, and that's then, you know,

2532
02:16:15,720 --> 02:16:17,800
Speaker 1: that's when we have problems. And that's why I go like,

2533
02:16:18,080 --> 02:16:21,360
Speaker 1: I don't really care what this gusses well our next guest,

2534
02:16:22,880 --> 02:16:25,560
Speaker 1: you know, but have an open conversation. You know, that's

2535
02:16:25,600 --> 02:16:28,280
Speaker 1: what this country, you know, that's what this moment, that's

2536
02:16:28,280 --> 02:16:29,920
Speaker 1: what this country. What makes it great is that we

2537
02:16:29,920 --> 02:16:32,800
Speaker 1: should be able to have conversations that we don't necessarily

2538
02:16:32,840 --> 02:16:34,720
Speaker 1: agree on. Right, That's how we get That's how we

2539
02:16:34,800 --> 02:16:37,760
Speaker 1: get somewhere. And I could be hypocritical real fast, because

2540
02:16:37,800 --> 02:16:40,560
Speaker 1: I like, I sure like hunting turkeys around feed lots,

2541
02:16:40,680 --> 02:16:48,840
Speaker 1: and like hunting deer and farmers cattle pastures. So yeah,

2542
02:16:49,280 --> 02:16:54,640
Speaker 1: it's like you can get you can get, um so

2543
02:16:54,800 --> 02:16:57,880
Speaker 1: afraid of hypocrisy that to shut you down. But I

2544
02:16:57,879 --> 02:17:00,560
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, it's you hunting by your feed lot.

2545
02:17:00,640 --> 02:17:02,360
Speaker 1: That's great, man, you get to shoot your turkey, and

2546
02:17:02,400 --> 02:17:04,280
Speaker 1: there's a lot of them. But what am I the

2547
02:17:04,320 --> 02:17:06,760
Speaker 1: bigger picture, like all the runoff from about the water

2548
02:17:06,840 --> 02:17:09,480
Speaker 1: waste that's coming off of those things. Like at that point,

2549
02:17:09,520 --> 02:17:13,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, fuck your turkey? What do you think of that? Yeah,

2550
02:17:13,480 --> 02:17:18,160
Speaker 1: that's all right, I'm listen. I'm I'm gonna change the

2551
02:17:18,160 --> 02:17:21,280
Speaker 1: subject right now. But not because I'm not because I'm uncomfortable.

2552
02:17:21,600 --> 02:17:25,360
Speaker 1: Good me neither. When someone when you think of an idea,

2553
02:17:26,240 --> 02:17:29,280
Speaker 1: how do you know what fits into your Like? What

2554
02:17:29,600 --> 02:17:31,920
Speaker 1: is how do you know when something's right for you?

2555
02:17:33,040 --> 02:17:36,000
Speaker 1: Because you're talking about going to a tomato place? What

2556
02:17:36,080 --> 02:17:37,880
Speaker 1: do you mean is something is right? Okay? Like like

2557
02:17:38,680 --> 02:17:41,240
Speaker 1: visiting a tomato place that's interesting to me? No, like

2558
02:17:41,360 --> 02:17:44,560
Speaker 1: catching mountain whitefish that's interesting me? What's not interesting to you?

2559
02:17:45,120 --> 02:17:49,440
Speaker 1: A hatred and negativity? I mean, like as far as

2560
02:17:50,000 --> 02:17:53,280
Speaker 1: food ideas, nothing, man, I don't mean like I'm not

2561
02:17:53,480 --> 02:17:56,440
Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily traveling to come you know, eat you know,

2562
02:17:56,520 --> 02:17:59,560
Speaker 1: the biggest bug, but like just like normal and I

2563
02:17:59,600 --> 02:18:02,920
Speaker 1: shouldn't normal, but like that's you know, adventures and food

2564
02:18:03,000 --> 02:18:05,160
Speaker 1: and like what you know the people behind food. That's

2565
02:18:05,200 --> 02:18:07,040
Speaker 1: kind of like what really gets me going. Could you

2566
02:18:07,080 --> 02:18:09,560
Speaker 1: see a path sort of doing a thing. I'm not

2567
02:18:09,600 --> 02:18:11,480
Speaker 1: trying to plug his place. Would you be like, oh,

2568
02:18:11,680 --> 02:18:13,880
Speaker 1: they grow mushrooms and make pickled mushrooms. I gotta do

2569
02:18:13,879 --> 02:18:18,400
Speaker 1: an episode about that. Oh one, I'm not pitching Chester.

2570
02:18:18,720 --> 02:18:23,120
Speaker 1: I would love to go Chester testers coming with me.

2571
02:18:23,200 --> 02:18:24,720
Speaker 1: I just got to get the bobs to sign off

2572
02:18:24,800 --> 02:18:27,320
Speaker 1: and you got to recreate that Chester the tester scene

2573
02:18:28,240 --> 02:18:30,879
Speaker 1: like a flashback. There'll be a black and white flashback

2574
02:18:30,920 --> 02:18:33,720
Speaker 1: of a little kid. Could you play himself? He got

2575
02:18:33,760 --> 02:18:35,600
Speaker 1: a sippy cup in one hand and a mushroom in

2576
02:18:35,640 --> 02:18:38,280
Speaker 1: the other, making a little like so he's got like

2577
02:18:38,360 --> 02:18:40,880
Speaker 1: Bobby socks on him. It's time. They won't produce it

2578
02:18:40,959 --> 02:18:43,080
Speaker 1: for it's alive. We need to do it for for

2579
02:18:43,120 --> 02:18:46,080
Speaker 1: a meat eater thing, because I would Yeah, that's amazing.

2580
02:18:46,240 --> 02:18:47,880
Speaker 1: I have a question for you about kind of like

2581
02:18:48,120 --> 02:18:53,119
Speaker 1: your own or maybe more like the mainstream industries red

2582
02:18:53,240 --> 02:18:58,400
Speaker 1: lines around preparation of of food that's not you know,

2583
02:18:58,480 --> 02:19:02,240
Speaker 1: it's like pig pig cow aside and kind of our

2584
02:19:02,440 --> 02:19:05,240
Speaker 1: idea about like what is okay to eat and what's

2585
02:19:05,280 --> 02:19:08,600
Speaker 1: weird and what's gross to eat? You cooked Spencer, you

2586
02:19:08,680 --> 02:19:12,080
Speaker 1: cooked up crow last year and badger as well as that.

2587
02:19:12,400 --> 02:19:16,560
Speaker 1: I unfortunately miss those those days. All about it? Yeah,

2588
02:19:16,640 --> 02:19:19,520
Speaker 1: do you have thoughts about that? And what where do

2589
02:19:19,560 --> 02:19:23,280
Speaker 1: you think we may push the biodiversity. I'm all about

2590
02:19:23,280 --> 02:19:25,440
Speaker 1: it because it's it's funny, you know, it's what we

2591
02:19:25,680 --> 02:19:28,600
Speaker 1: we We like, you know, pigs, you know we can

2592
02:19:28,680 --> 02:19:31,440
Speaker 1: kill two million of them. No, no, no problem, keep

2593
02:19:31,480 --> 02:19:33,920
Speaker 1: it going right. But like you talk about like cooking

2594
02:19:33,959 --> 02:19:36,760
Speaker 1: a dog or something, and it's just like, cancel that guy,

2595
02:19:36,959 --> 02:19:39,920
Speaker 1: you know, like no one wants nobody wants you eating

2596
02:19:40,040 --> 02:19:44,200
Speaker 1: dogs or house cats, Robbin's Like I kind of want

2597
02:19:44,200 --> 02:19:46,600
Speaker 1: to eat a robin, you know, and like I heard

2598
02:19:46,920 --> 02:19:49,000
Speaker 1: I would. I would try dog too, I guess. And

2599
02:19:49,080 --> 02:19:51,120
Speaker 1: I love dogs, you know, like it's one of my

2600
02:19:51,200 --> 02:19:54,000
Speaker 1: spirit animals. But like it is, it's funny the things

2601
02:19:54,040 --> 02:19:57,920
Speaker 1: we like. This is food and that's not big. No, no, here,

2602
02:19:58,160 --> 02:20:00,760
Speaker 1: Let's say you went let's say you thought that. Uh,

2603
02:20:00,920 --> 02:20:03,560
Speaker 1: let's say you thought, man, I want to go to

2604
02:20:04,440 --> 02:20:08,080
Speaker 1: I want to do an episode of It's Alive and

2605
02:20:08,280 --> 02:20:11,680
Speaker 1: go hear them out. I'm gonna talk to you a veterinarian.

2606
02:20:12,000 --> 02:20:17,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to a industrial feed lot. Yeah, what

2607
02:20:17,520 --> 02:20:22,600
Speaker 1: would someone tell you not to? I'm sure someone from

2608
02:20:22,680 --> 02:20:27,640
Speaker 1: like the Bobs, I mean maybe. I mean the problem

2609
02:20:27,680 --> 02:20:29,240
Speaker 1: with me is like I could find that. To me,

2610
02:20:29,680 --> 02:20:32,240
Speaker 1: that's an amazing topic. I there isn't many things I

2611
02:20:32,360 --> 02:20:35,240
Speaker 1: can't get into, whether or not I fundamentally think it's like,

2612
02:20:35,560 --> 02:20:37,400
Speaker 1: let's expose it and kind of like see you know,

2613
02:20:37,520 --> 02:20:40,240
Speaker 1: more of like a journalistic aspect or something I'm obviously into,

2614
02:20:40,320 --> 02:20:42,720
Speaker 1: like going to an efficient right, But within that the

2615
02:20:42,840 --> 02:20:46,600
Speaker 1: fund is also like the education, you know. And sorry,

2616
02:20:46,640 --> 02:20:48,360
Speaker 1: what was a question? Well, I was just trying to

2617
02:20:48,400 --> 02:20:50,240
Speaker 1: figure out, like how all the things in the world,

2618
02:20:50,280 --> 02:20:53,359
Speaker 1: how do you decide what fits you? Like, what's interesting

2619
02:20:53,440 --> 02:20:55,400
Speaker 1: to you? What you what do you want to make

2620
02:20:55,480 --> 02:20:57,640
Speaker 1: content about? What do you want to shine a light on?

2621
02:20:58,280 --> 02:21:00,400
Speaker 1: The people behind food? For the longest time, it was

2622
02:21:00,440 --> 02:21:02,280
Speaker 1: always just you know, I feel like for the past

2623
02:21:02,320 --> 02:21:04,520
Speaker 1: decade probably even more right, it was always just been

2624
02:21:05,000 --> 02:21:07,520
Speaker 1: the chef. You know, you think about the people, the folks,

2625
02:21:07,640 --> 02:21:09,240
Speaker 1: that's what it's all about. I mean, for me, it's

2626
02:21:09,240 --> 02:21:11,840
Speaker 1: a it's just a universal language like music. You know, food,

2627
02:21:11,879 --> 02:21:14,760
Speaker 1: it's if the food's greatest delicious. I freaking love eating.

2628
02:21:15,080 --> 02:21:17,120
Speaker 1: But it's just as much as you know, going and

2629
02:21:17,160 --> 02:21:18,959
Speaker 1: catching the fish with you and smoking them at your

2630
02:21:19,000 --> 02:21:20,400
Speaker 1: house and stuff like that, you know what I mean,

2631
02:21:20,520 --> 02:21:23,160
Speaker 1: as it is to just just eat them. It's it's

2632
02:21:23,360 --> 02:21:25,800
Speaker 1: it's gotta be. It's gotta have that human element. And

2633
02:21:25,920 --> 02:21:30,520
Speaker 1: like I can find the creative. The ideas are never

2634
02:21:30,800 --> 02:21:32,760
Speaker 1: the problem. I think there's it's kind of endless. We

2635
02:21:32,760 --> 02:21:34,880
Speaker 1: could probably I could probably come up with ten thousand,

2636
02:21:35,000 --> 02:21:37,400
Speaker 1: you know, if we're going global, it's kind of endless.

2637
02:21:37,840 --> 02:21:40,720
Speaker 1: It's more just like who's gonna pay for it? What's

2638
02:21:40,760 --> 02:21:44,160
Speaker 1: your favorite episode of It's Live? You know, I hate favorites,

2639
02:21:44,240 --> 02:21:47,080
Speaker 1: you know when in every in every category, you know,

2640
02:21:47,200 --> 02:21:49,560
Speaker 1: like it's like my least favorite's like your ten out

2641
02:21:49,600 --> 02:21:52,440
Speaker 1: of ten. No, but I can answer the question for sure.

2642
02:21:52,720 --> 02:21:55,720
Speaker 1: I mean the one to Alaska was absolutely amazing. Where

2643
02:21:55,760 --> 02:21:57,600
Speaker 1: we went up and I mean he was my first time,

2644
02:21:57,800 --> 02:21:59,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's my second time up there. But we

2645
02:21:59,240 --> 02:22:01,600
Speaker 1: went we went Rabin and we took a little seaplane

2646
02:22:01,640 --> 02:22:03,240
Speaker 1: and it was just you know, it's Alaska, it's huge,

2647
02:22:03,280 --> 02:22:06,200
Speaker 1: it beautiful, met some you know, just amazing people ate

2648
02:22:06,240 --> 02:22:09,800
Speaker 1: some great food. Um the trip down to when we

2649
02:22:10,040 --> 02:22:12,600
Speaker 1: I went with Guitar Chocolate out of San Francisco. We

2650
02:22:12,680 --> 02:22:15,800
Speaker 1: did a really cool three part video where we went

2651
02:22:15,840 --> 02:22:18,920
Speaker 1: to South America and we just did the whole chocolate production,

2652
02:22:19,440 --> 02:22:22,600
Speaker 1: which is a fermented product ocolate chocolate production. So we

2653
02:22:22,680 --> 02:22:25,360
Speaker 1: went down with these farmers. So we're the nicest people

2654
02:22:25,400 --> 02:22:27,480
Speaker 1: in the world, just like you know, living in and

2655
02:22:27,600 --> 02:22:29,360
Speaker 1: you know, in the middle of the jungle with you know,

2656
02:22:29,520 --> 02:22:32,400
Speaker 1: in just a very very simple home. Uh, you know,

2657
02:22:32,560 --> 02:22:35,040
Speaker 1: no windows and stuff. You know, just like and just

2658
02:22:35,160 --> 02:22:36,800
Speaker 1: then I mean would give you the shirt off their

2659
02:22:36,840 --> 02:22:39,560
Speaker 1: back and they're they're farming. I've never heard anything like it.

2660
02:22:39,640 --> 02:22:41,800
Speaker 1: We were down in the jungle like collecting these cacao

2661
02:22:42,000 --> 02:22:45,080
Speaker 1: pods and it got quiet. We were like getting like

2662
02:22:45,120 --> 02:22:46,800
Speaker 1: the MIC's writing and stuff, and all you heard was

2663
02:22:46,879 --> 02:22:49,840
Speaker 1: just like this in like just surrounding the world was

2664
02:22:49,920 --> 02:22:53,480
Speaker 1: just like this, and it was just like billions of

2665
02:22:53,560 --> 02:22:56,000
Speaker 1: mosquitoes everywhere. You know, we had to take malaria pills

2666
02:22:56,040 --> 02:22:58,359
Speaker 1: and stuff. But it was just seeing the whole process

2667
02:22:58,800 --> 02:23:00,920
Speaker 1: where it was just insane. Pod I don't know if

2668
02:23:00,959 --> 02:23:02,160
Speaker 1: you know what it looks like, but it's just like

2669
02:23:02,280 --> 02:23:05,760
Speaker 1: this cocao fruit pod and it's got these like alien

2670
02:23:05,920 --> 02:23:09,520
Speaker 1: egg seeds inside with this like white mucus that surrounds them,

2671
02:23:09,560 --> 02:23:12,240
Speaker 1: and inside it's just that raw that cocow nib or

2672
02:23:12,320 --> 02:23:15,040
Speaker 1: that you know, the seed, and then they ferment him

2673
02:23:15,080 --> 02:23:17,920
Speaker 1: in these these big bins. Uh. It's just out in

2674
02:23:17,959 --> 02:23:20,440
Speaker 1: the temperature, covered in banana leaves and it gets so

2675
02:23:20,600 --> 02:23:22,080
Speaker 1: hot you have to go and turn them and like

2676
02:23:22,160 --> 02:23:24,160
Speaker 1: you have to put gloves on because it was burning

2677
02:23:24,200 --> 02:23:26,880
Speaker 1: your hands. Cockroaches coming out of it and stuff, you know,

2678
02:23:27,200 --> 02:23:29,640
Speaker 1: bugs like this. And I'm I'm not a big bug guy,

2679
02:23:29,680 --> 02:23:32,080
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just and I'm stirring this stuff up

2680
02:23:32,080 --> 02:23:33,760
Speaker 1: with my hands, and you know, they didn't give me gloves.

2681
02:23:33,800 --> 02:23:36,680
Speaker 1: They should have, but like there was like an acid reaction.

2682
02:23:36,800 --> 02:23:39,440
Speaker 1: My hands were like a little pale for the next

2683
02:23:39,480 --> 02:23:41,240
Speaker 1: few days. And it's like it was like a burn

2684
02:23:41,360 --> 02:23:44,560
Speaker 1: from in that like heavy heavy fermentation. And then after

2685
02:23:44,680 --> 02:23:47,400
Speaker 1: they ferment that like sweet goop off it, then we

2686
02:23:47,520 --> 02:23:49,760
Speaker 1: laid them out and sundry they like sun dry them,

2687
02:23:49,760 --> 02:23:52,000
Speaker 1: and that's when you get this like what becomes like

2688
02:23:52,280 --> 02:23:55,080
Speaker 1: when you crack that it's that coco nib and people

2689
02:23:55,120 --> 02:23:57,800
Speaker 1: put in there, you know whatever, and uh and then

2690
02:23:57,879 --> 02:23:59,800
Speaker 1: from there, you know, we followed the bean back into

2691
02:24:00,080 --> 02:24:02,760
Speaker 1: the co op the moment that's like the tradeable commodity. Yeah,

2692
02:24:02,800 --> 02:24:04,480
Speaker 1: oh yeah, that's where it's all happening down there. And

2693
02:24:04,560 --> 02:24:06,280
Speaker 1: all these farmers bring them to the co op, their

2694
02:24:06,320 --> 02:24:09,360
Speaker 1: bags that dried the cattle beans right where so you know,

2695
02:24:09,440 --> 02:24:12,200
Speaker 1: there's the nice sun dried ones and then uh, and

2696
02:24:12,280 --> 02:24:14,200
Speaker 1: then there's the ones that like they dry in these

2697
02:24:14,280 --> 02:24:17,160
Speaker 1: like big diesel things and they're like not his quality. Right,

2698
02:24:17,200 --> 02:24:19,080
Speaker 1: So we went with the with the guy who I

2699
02:24:19,160 --> 02:24:21,680
Speaker 1: was doing the good the good work, and we followed

2700
02:24:21,720 --> 02:24:22,880
Speaker 1: them to the co op and it was like all

2701
02:24:22,879 --> 02:24:25,280
Speaker 1: these crazy colorful bags. And then from there they go

2702
02:24:25,400 --> 02:24:27,800
Speaker 1: to we went to the San Francisco factory where they

2703
02:24:28,280 --> 02:24:30,560
Speaker 1: toast them, they grind them up, turn it into you know,

2704
02:24:30,600 --> 02:24:33,080
Speaker 1: and then it becomes started becoming familiar. See cocoa powder,

2705
02:24:33,320 --> 02:24:36,120
Speaker 1: cocoa butter, and then like little chips and big box

2706
02:24:36,160 --> 02:24:38,720
Speaker 1: start coming out and stuff, and it's just amazing, amazing

2707
02:24:38,800 --> 02:24:41,040
Speaker 1: process and you know, seeing the whole thing and just

2708
02:24:41,360 --> 02:24:43,680
Speaker 1: something that like to come back and kind of answer

2709
02:24:43,680 --> 02:24:46,600
Speaker 1: your question. And just like I loved making videos that

2710
02:24:46,840 --> 02:24:50,640
Speaker 1: like demystifies or like shows like like something like like

2711
02:24:50,760 --> 02:24:53,640
Speaker 1: this soy Sauce or the pickled Ginger, like so many

2712
02:24:53,680 --> 02:24:55,480
Speaker 1: people go in and even Seltzer, you know, you go

2713
02:24:55,600 --> 02:24:58,760
Speaker 1: into the supermarket get it. But man, there's like usually

2714
02:24:58,840 --> 02:25:01,840
Speaker 1: generations of information sian and hard work and all types

2715
02:25:01,879 --> 02:25:05,160
Speaker 1: of stories just for this. You know, I can be

2716
02:25:05,200 --> 02:25:08,400
Speaker 1: applied to anything. So as long as someone still wants

2717
02:25:08,400 --> 02:25:10,080
Speaker 1: to make videos, and I'm gonna have to make one

2718
02:25:10,160 --> 02:25:12,000
Speaker 1: day start making them on my own or something, but

2719
02:25:12,200 --> 02:25:14,800
Speaker 1: like I'll start, I'll do this for as long as

2720
02:25:14,840 --> 02:25:17,520
Speaker 1: I can. I was in in a remote area the

2721
02:25:17,560 --> 02:25:22,280
Speaker 1: Philippines one time and there's people drying rice. But the

2722
02:25:22,320 --> 02:25:23,720
Speaker 1: only place to put it out the dry it was

2723
02:25:23,760 --> 02:25:27,800
Speaker 1: on the road. But there's so little traffic they come blankets. Yeah,

2724
02:25:27,920 --> 02:25:30,800
Speaker 1: we'd come come around the corner now and then and

2725
02:25:30,840 --> 02:25:33,640
Speaker 1: they'd be like damn it, yeah, and you have to

2726
02:25:33,680 --> 02:25:38,560
Speaker 1: stop and they'd like very begrudgingly break it all off

2727
02:25:38,640 --> 02:25:42,920
Speaker 1: the road and then you drive through that they'd pissing

2728
02:25:42,959 --> 02:25:44,879
Speaker 1: them off and spread it back out. Man. But yeah,

2729
02:25:44,879 --> 02:25:47,880
Speaker 1: there's like parts of food production this in other places

2730
02:25:48,080 --> 02:25:50,400
Speaker 1: we just take for granted, right, and like the perfect

2731
02:25:50,400 --> 02:25:52,480
Speaker 1: example rice man, I would love to go do that,

2732
02:25:52,560 --> 02:25:55,400
Speaker 1: and like, you can make fifteen different Rice episodes. It's

2733
02:25:55,400 --> 02:25:57,199
Speaker 1: probably one of the most consumed things in the world.

2734
02:25:57,320 --> 02:25:58,560
Speaker 1: You know. We can go to Asia, we can go

2735
02:25:58,680 --> 02:26:01,120
Speaker 1: to Minnesota and collect the wild rice. Like there's so

2736
02:26:01,280 --> 02:26:04,480
Speaker 1: many Everyone eats rice. Make a show about rice. Uh.

2737
02:26:04,959 --> 02:26:07,800
Speaker 1: A friend of mine that I grew up with, we

2738
02:26:07,920 --> 02:26:10,080
Speaker 1: used to hang out in Mexico a bit together, and

2739
02:26:10,160 --> 02:26:12,520
Speaker 1: there's this town that had this grilled chicken. We really like,

2740
02:26:12,680 --> 02:26:15,440
Speaker 1: you know, it was already just seemed like very unsanitary

2741
02:26:15,480 --> 02:26:19,120
Speaker 1: because they would use stumps in a machete, cut the

2742
02:26:19,200 --> 02:26:21,400
Speaker 1: chicken up, you know, like no one's washing that stumping.

2743
02:26:21,920 --> 02:26:25,520
Speaker 1: And then they cooked and he goes and we're like, man,

2744
02:26:25,560 --> 02:26:27,000
Speaker 1: that chicken is good, and we've been down there a

2745
02:26:27,040 --> 02:26:29,000
Speaker 1: couple of times. Eventually wants to find out how they

2746
02:26:29,040 --> 02:26:31,520
Speaker 1: make the chicken and knee goes in the back and

2747
02:26:31,600 --> 02:26:34,200
Speaker 1: this guy's got a garbage can full of the like

2748
02:26:34,320 --> 02:26:39,760
Speaker 1: a marinade and he drinks out of it the marinade. Yeah. Well,

2749
02:26:40,000 --> 02:26:41,879
Speaker 1: so my body thought was just like where he's making

2750
02:26:41,879 --> 02:26:44,200
Speaker 1: the marinade. So he takes a big spoon and has

2751
02:26:44,680 --> 02:26:49,160
Speaker 1: the guys like urging him taste the marinade and oh yeah,

2752
02:26:49,200 --> 02:26:51,879
Speaker 1: well he's drinking the marinade, thinking that's just he's making

2753
02:26:51,920 --> 02:26:54,480
Speaker 1: the marinade, and he says the guy reaches in with

2754
02:26:54,600 --> 02:26:57,800
Speaker 1: a bare arm starts hauling raw chickens out of the

2755
02:26:57,800 --> 02:27:02,320
Speaker 1: bottom of that garbage marinated marinade. Man, Oh yeah, that

2756
02:27:02,680 --> 02:27:04,840
Speaker 1: was like what was funny is like to see it,

2757
02:27:05,760 --> 02:27:07,360
Speaker 1: you know you're talking about like the cockroach is kind

2758
02:27:07,360 --> 02:27:10,240
Speaker 1: of out of stuff to see it. He was a

2759
02:27:10,400 --> 02:27:13,680
Speaker 1: huge he liked the chicken more than anybody. Yeah, it's

2760
02:27:13,680 --> 02:27:16,000
Speaker 1: like this Upton sinclair, like the jungle stuff. You know,

2761
02:27:16,080 --> 02:27:18,120
Speaker 1: like people to this expression like let's not see all

2762
02:27:18,120 --> 02:27:20,440
Speaker 1: the sausage you just made sure burned him on the chicken.

2763
02:27:21,600 --> 02:27:24,240
Speaker 1: Well that it's better. Sometimes people don't want to know,

2764
02:27:24,480 --> 02:27:26,440
Speaker 1: well that cook. You know, he probably had an he

2765
02:27:26,520 --> 02:27:28,760
Speaker 1: had a gut like a snapping turtle, you know, like

2766
02:27:28,879 --> 02:27:31,320
Speaker 1: that guy know, he's been doing that his whole life. Yeah,

2767
02:27:31,480 --> 02:27:34,080
Speaker 1: when you think of chocolate, you know, it's like kind

2768
02:27:34,120 --> 02:27:37,000
Speaker 1: of like elegant, you know, people get sophisticated about No

2769
02:27:37,320 --> 02:27:39,400
Speaker 1: you go down like you said, like there's cockroaches and

2770
02:27:39,480 --> 02:27:41,959
Speaker 1: banano lee. Yeah, and guys probably getting paid a hundred

2771
02:27:42,000 --> 02:27:44,280
Speaker 1: dollars a week. You know. Yeah, no, it's interesting to

2772
02:27:44,320 --> 02:27:46,520
Speaker 1: see all that. Man. It's wild, man, the world's wild.

2773
02:27:47,200 --> 02:27:48,360
Speaker 1: If you want to think, it's like a bunch of

2774
02:27:48,440 --> 02:27:52,120
Speaker 1: French guys in a laboratory. Oh sure, everything said, everything

2775
02:27:52,240 --> 02:27:54,680
Speaker 1: is very romanticized, right, Marketing did hell of a job

2776
02:27:55,280 --> 02:27:57,120
Speaker 1: and and it's true. So like being able to kind

2777
02:27:57,160 --> 02:27:59,320
Speaker 1: of just shine a little light, you know, off of

2778
02:27:59,520 --> 02:28:02,160
Speaker 1: you know, five star chef guy. But then also just

2779
02:28:02,520 --> 02:28:04,200
Speaker 1: let's let's go all the way why not? And like

2780
02:28:04,320 --> 02:28:06,800
Speaker 1: the world needs it, man, because the systems in place

2781
02:28:06,840 --> 02:28:09,640
Speaker 1: ain't ain't really cutting it. How many of its lives

2782
02:28:09,720 --> 02:28:12,199
Speaker 1: have you made? Oh man, you call him it's lives.

2783
02:28:12,800 --> 02:28:16,640
Speaker 1: I don't really call him anything the truth episodes, but yeah,

2784
02:28:16,760 --> 02:28:19,280
Speaker 1: but it's gotta be like eighty or ninety hundred of

2785
02:28:19,280 --> 02:28:21,880
Speaker 1: them or something, I think. And then we have another

2786
02:28:21,879 --> 02:28:23,720
Speaker 1: show we did I do with with Bone Appetite called

2787
02:28:23,720 --> 02:28:25,240
Speaker 1: Taste Buds, which is a lot of fun. It's just

2788
02:28:25,360 --> 02:28:27,360
Speaker 1: more it's more of just like a kind of an

2789
02:28:27,400 --> 02:28:30,480
Speaker 1: internet show where it's like a me uh, we have

2790
02:28:30,600 --> 02:28:32,920
Speaker 1: celebrities come on and we like try different types of

2791
02:28:33,040 --> 02:28:36,040
Speaker 1: like a type of food. Right. One we did with

2792
02:28:36,200 --> 02:28:38,280
Speaker 1: uh with just a bunch of different types of smoke

2793
02:28:38,400 --> 02:28:41,360
Speaker 1: fish or like stupid stuff, like different types of potato chips,

2794
02:28:41,440 --> 02:28:44,160
Speaker 1: like high test celebrities, mid level. Now we got we got,

2795
02:28:44,160 --> 02:28:45,920
Speaker 1: we got some big players. Man. We had kimmel on

2796
02:28:46,160 --> 02:28:49,480
Speaker 1: and uh, Elizabeth Olsen and Kicky Palmer. Was a lot

2797
02:28:49,520 --> 02:28:51,560
Speaker 1: of fun. And Elizabeth Olson like the girl with the

2798
02:28:51,600 --> 02:28:55,400
Speaker 1: twin uh so, I think there's there's three of them,

2799
02:28:57,120 --> 02:28:59,320
Speaker 1: a younger sister, the twins. You're not even wrapped up

2800
02:28:59,320 --> 02:29:01,560
Speaker 1: in the twins. But she's she's like a huge start.

2801
02:29:01,600 --> 02:29:03,680
Speaker 1: Now she's in a ton of movies. He's yeah, Steve, Yeah,

2802
02:29:03,760 --> 02:29:07,280
Speaker 1: she's got And what was that other one mrs uh

2803
02:29:07,840 --> 02:29:09,960
Speaker 1: mrs um the one show she just had that was

2804
02:29:10,000 --> 02:29:14,119
Speaker 1: like a big hit Mrs Marvels. Well she she wasn't Missmasal,

2805
02:29:14,200 --> 02:29:15,640
Speaker 1: but she wasn't in one of vision and she's all

2806
02:29:15,680 --> 02:29:20,200
Speaker 1: the movies now to everything. Yeah, yeah, definitely more famous

2807
02:29:20,240 --> 02:29:22,600
Speaker 1: than me. Part of the m c U. Yes, actually,

2808
02:29:22,680 --> 02:29:25,760
Speaker 1: all right, good job. And then we just did Wolfgang Puck.

2809
02:29:25,840 --> 02:29:28,680
Speaker 1: He was he was amazing. He had no filter. It

2810
02:29:28,760 --> 02:29:31,000
Speaker 1: was like he just said, I was just like, yep,

2811
02:29:31,120 --> 02:29:34,400
Speaker 1: this is great. Have you had Jack Pepperine? Who ja Popine? No,

2812
02:29:34,560 --> 02:29:38,200
Speaker 1: but I love him, man, you know, makes it more approach.

2813
02:29:38,360 --> 02:29:41,000
Speaker 1: He lives up by me and he's good friends with

2814
02:29:41,080 --> 02:29:43,640
Speaker 1: a buddy of mine who owns a farm stone acres

2815
02:29:43,680 --> 02:29:46,879
Speaker 1: over in Connecticut. Is good man. Yeah, he's a legend. Man,

2816
02:29:47,200 --> 02:29:49,040
Speaker 1: such a sweetheart. We sat next I sat next to

2817
02:29:49,080 --> 02:29:50,880
Speaker 1: him next with dinner and I was like, me and

2818
02:29:50,959 --> 02:29:52,720
Speaker 1: my wife were there, and I was like, do you

2819
02:29:52,840 --> 02:29:55,320
Speaker 1: sit by Jock because he's you guys are gonna love it.

2820
02:29:55,320 --> 02:29:57,160
Speaker 1: He's just such a little he's a schmoozer, you know,

2821
02:29:58,240 --> 02:30:00,080
Speaker 1: he's a good guy. And when you say schmoozer and

2822
02:30:00,160 --> 02:30:05,080
Speaker 1: like in quotes, no, like, um, schmoozers the wrong word.

2823
02:30:05,120 --> 02:30:07,800
Speaker 1: I guess I mean not really, but like he's saying,

2824
02:30:07,800 --> 02:30:09,640
Speaker 1: your wife over to sit by him. Yeah. He's an

2825
02:30:09,680 --> 02:30:11,480
Speaker 1: old guy, you know. He's a flirty old guy, you know,

2826
02:30:11,600 --> 02:30:13,480
Speaker 1: and not in a creepy way. Okay, good, good good,

2827
02:30:13,560 --> 02:30:21,640
Speaker 1: you know, very very charming. I'm sorry, Jesus Christ, very charming. No, no, no, man,

2828
02:30:21,640 --> 02:30:26,720
Speaker 1: I hope he don't. All right, we'll tell people how

2829
02:30:26,760 --> 02:30:29,240
Speaker 1: to find you all the platforms, all the ways. Yeah,

2830
02:30:29,400 --> 02:30:31,879
Speaker 1: thanks man. So yeah, so Instagram, it's kind of it's

2831
02:30:31,879 --> 02:30:33,800
Speaker 1: the only really it's the only social thing I do.

2832
02:30:33,879 --> 02:30:37,280
Speaker 1: It's just Brad underscore leone. That's your own thing. Yeah, yeah,

2833
02:30:37,360 --> 02:30:39,280
Speaker 1: that's me. And then you know, we have it's a

2834
02:30:39,320 --> 02:30:42,920
Speaker 1: live show and going into live and it's a live

2835
02:30:43,000 --> 02:30:46,160
Speaker 1: going Places, which is like the sister of that show

2836
02:30:46,200 --> 02:30:47,880
Speaker 1: where it's just more of the travel stuff. They kind

2837
02:30:47,920 --> 02:30:49,840
Speaker 1: of bleed into the same thing. How long will it

2838
02:30:49,879 --> 02:30:53,480
Speaker 1: be till till uh? What's the turnaround time till the

2839
02:30:53,560 --> 02:30:55,879
Speaker 1: one we made about Whitefish? Oh, you know, they're pretty

2840
02:30:55,920 --> 02:30:57,640
Speaker 1: good about it, you know, like it's either a month

2841
02:30:57,800 --> 02:30:59,560
Speaker 1: or six months, who knows, you know, it's just like

2842
02:31:00,040 --> 02:31:01,879
Speaker 1: and it probably I don't want to be like your

2843
02:31:02,000 --> 02:31:04,360
Speaker 1: kombucha thing that sits there for a year. Oh no,

2844
02:31:04,480 --> 02:31:06,000
Speaker 1: this is a heavy hit it. Man. We're proud of

2845
02:31:06,080 --> 02:31:08,879
Speaker 1: this one, Steve, you know, and I felt really good

2846
02:31:08,879 --> 02:31:11,080
Speaker 1: about it, so did everyone that was shooting it. And

2847
02:31:11,240 --> 02:31:13,000
Speaker 1: and thanks again for coming on. Man. That was that

2848
02:31:13,160 --> 02:31:14,920
Speaker 1: was just Hey, I've been a fan of your guys

2849
02:31:15,000 --> 02:31:16,600
Speaker 1: is working show for a long time. It was just

2850
02:31:16,680 --> 02:31:19,000
Speaker 1: awesome to work with you guys. And you've got something

2851
02:31:19,040 --> 02:31:21,080
Speaker 1: in the fixings. You got you and Cal got something

2852
02:31:21,160 --> 02:31:23,800
Speaker 1: in the fixings too. We talked all the time, talking

2853
02:31:23,800 --> 02:31:25,440
Speaker 1: about all types of stuff. He's gonna hopefully come over

2854
02:31:25,480 --> 02:31:27,440
Speaker 1: and help me cut down some trees, some vines I

2855
02:31:27,520 --> 02:31:29,680
Speaker 1: got some. I got these vines grown all over, some

2856
02:31:29,760 --> 02:31:31,920
Speaker 1: cedar trees I need to handle. And then we gotta

2857
02:31:31,959 --> 02:31:33,680
Speaker 1: do some spear fishing out there, and some fishing and

2858
02:31:34,080 --> 02:31:35,680
Speaker 1: a lot of cool stuff out by me. Steve, you

2859
02:31:35,800 --> 02:31:38,920
Speaker 1: got up indoor boys, I got a guy, got a

2860
02:31:38,959 --> 02:31:41,920
Speaker 1: good one for you. You know at the UH you

2861
02:31:42,000 --> 02:31:43,920
Speaker 1: may have been in the preamble to the show. It

2862
02:31:44,000 --> 02:31:46,360
Speaker 1: may not even be on here, but you said, how

2863
02:31:46,840 --> 02:31:51,040
Speaker 1: um you have a kind of perspective on food as

2864
02:31:51,120 --> 02:31:53,640
Speaker 1: far as like some safety things or what you can

2865
02:31:53,800 --> 02:31:59,040
Speaker 1: or cannot eat. Um, like you equated it to you know,

2866
02:31:59,360 --> 02:32:02,480
Speaker 1: taking the right hand turn on a red light. Even

2867
02:32:02,520 --> 02:32:04,400
Speaker 1: if it says you shouldn't like some things don't apply

2868
02:32:04,480 --> 02:32:08,400
Speaker 1: to you. That um cut up some sushi at my

2869
02:32:08,520 --> 02:32:12,160
Speaker 1: place last night, and the board that we were laying

2870
02:32:12,200 --> 02:32:15,600
Speaker 1: all the sushi on, right, don't dug that out of

2871
02:32:15,600 --> 02:32:18,800
Speaker 1: the dumpster, little dumpster, the same dumpster. Get all your

2872
02:32:18,800 --> 02:32:22,680
Speaker 1: stuff on the same dumpster. All that stuff out, folks.

2873
02:32:23,080 --> 02:32:26,480
Speaker 1: Folks don't know the people throw away. It might be

2874
02:32:26,560 --> 02:32:28,920
Speaker 1: catching on and people might just go there and put

2875
02:32:29,040 --> 02:32:31,040
Speaker 1: instead of bringing it to good well that it's dumping

2876
02:32:31,040 --> 02:32:37,279
Speaker 1: to Cal's dumpster, Cow's dumpster diving. That sometimes I flipped

2877
02:32:37,320 --> 02:32:39,800
Speaker 1: the lid and it's daunting, Like I shake my head

2878
02:32:39,800 --> 02:32:41,200
Speaker 1: and it's like all I wanted to do was just

2879
02:32:41,280 --> 02:32:46,480
Speaker 1: throw the trash away. I gotta repurpose, so needle out

2880
02:32:46,680 --> 02:32:50,600
Speaker 1: fix it all. Find a home board. It can film.

2881
02:32:50,680 --> 02:32:53,600
Speaker 1: Make a jingle for Cow's dumpster diving, like what what

2882
02:32:53,760 --> 02:32:56,760
Speaker 1: did calp find? Every time you every time you're finding something, Yeah,

2883
02:32:56,920 --> 02:33:01,760
Speaker 1: it's good to be the Col's dumpster. You're coming on better. Dad.

2884
02:33:01,920 --> 02:33:03,959
Speaker 1: My dad loves to go dumpster dive and he finds

2885
02:33:04,000 --> 02:33:07,120
Speaker 1: all kinds of radio. My dad lives in northern Jersey,

2886
02:33:07,680 --> 02:33:12,480
Speaker 1: so you know those. Yeah. I'm a big picker a right,

2887
02:33:12,520 --> 02:33:14,320
Speaker 1: you know, not so much of the dumpsters, although I'm

2888
02:33:14,320 --> 02:33:16,080
Speaker 1: not above it, but like a good pick a good

2889
02:33:16,400 --> 02:33:20,640
Speaker 1: like uncuriated egg, antique kind of lot. Oh man, stop

2890
02:33:20,680 --> 02:33:22,360
Speaker 1: buying new stuff unless you need to a lot of

2891
02:33:22,400 --> 02:33:25,520
Speaker 1: good stuff out there. My old man would um, he

2892
02:33:25,680 --> 02:33:27,840
Speaker 1: was into that stuff and had like a big pole barn,

2893
02:33:27,920 --> 02:33:32,680
Speaker 1: so he had somewhere, you know, and he would go

2894
02:33:34,520 --> 02:33:37,640
Speaker 1: in spring springtime. He'd be like oh, you know spring

2895
02:33:37,680 --> 02:33:41,600
Speaker 1: cleaning time and on garbage day, like honestly, like that

2896
02:33:41,760 --> 02:33:44,760
Speaker 1: time of year, would kind of like make little extra loops,

2897
02:33:44,879 --> 02:33:48,520
Speaker 1: take the long way home, knowing that someone was going

2898
02:33:48,600 --> 02:33:51,160
Speaker 1: to throw away something good and to be out Wednesday night,

2899
02:33:51,680 --> 02:33:53,760
Speaker 1: and he'd get in there. And you know, if I

2900
02:33:53,879 --> 02:33:57,199
Speaker 1: an a broken fishing rod, that put all the broken

2901
02:33:57,240 --> 02:33:59,800
Speaker 1: fishing rods I found in the garbage absolute gems. Or

2902
02:34:00,040 --> 02:34:01,560
Speaker 1: like if you know there's an old couple and like

2903
02:34:01,680 --> 02:34:04,080
Speaker 1: the old man, you know his time comes, you know,

2904
02:34:04,680 --> 02:34:06,560
Speaker 1: they got him in the dirt, the old lady a

2905
02:34:06,600 --> 02:34:09,480
Speaker 1: couple of months, all that stuff gone right, Yeah, you

2906
02:34:09,560 --> 02:34:13,320
Speaker 1: can find some gems and one last personal plug if

2907
02:34:13,320 --> 02:34:16,160
Speaker 1: you don't mind. I got a really cool personal book

2908
02:34:16,200 --> 02:34:18,920
Speaker 1: that I've been making, um and it's gonna be coming

2909
02:34:18,959 --> 02:34:21,320
Speaker 1: out this November. All the pre sales, pre sales out now.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it's called field Notes for Food Adventure and

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Speaker 1: it's uh yeah, shot. It took a year. It was hard,

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Speaker 1: but it was amazing and it was just Bradley field Notes,

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Speaker 1: field Notes for Food Adventure for Food Adventure. Is that

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Speaker 1: pre sale at the publisher's website or yeah, all those Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's everywhere and and it's Yeah, it's out you know,

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Speaker 1: from New Jersey to Maine, you know, from seaweed foraging

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02:34:45,640 --> 02:34:48,520
Speaker 1: and shellfish foraging and recipes that go with it. We

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Speaker 1: do some fermentation, we do ramping. It's a chapter called

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Speaker 1: Dear Dad where we go you know, making venison sausage

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Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and recipes that go with it. Uh,

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Speaker 1: some good old saltwater fish and maples maple see her production. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you went there and like shot all kind of like

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Speaker 1: the videos I kind of do, like in a book

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Speaker 1: about it, you know, I can. It's got my family

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Speaker 1: in a little bit and uh, you know that guy

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Speaker 1: that I was fishing with, Vinny, he's in it, you know,

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Speaker 1: and awesome. Yeah. I just did a lot of cool

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Speaker 1: stuff throughout the Northeast. So if you're into that, check

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Speaker 1: it out. A lot of really cool photos. Did you

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Speaker 1: come up something good for that dumpster diving video? Yet? Phil?

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02:35:20,720 --> 02:35:23,520
Speaker 1: I see you looking and thinking, well, yeah, I well,

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Speaker 1: he mentioned Oscar the Grouch. I'm trying to see if

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02:35:25,440 --> 02:35:26,960
Speaker 1: I can. I'm thinking about how I can running on that.

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Speaker 1: Are there any sest me street songs I can sample?

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Speaker 1: And that's how a creative man works down there. I

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02:35:32,640 --> 02:35:34,720
Speaker 1: could always turn you want to see how creative man

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Speaker 1: works down that way? That easy. I got a head

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Speaker 1: of the favorite favorite to ask a brad. So I

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02:35:40,520 --> 02:35:43,160
Speaker 1: have this ice breaker that I've like endlessly annoyed people

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Speaker 1: in my circle with. I bring it up often huge

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Speaker 1: the huge glass thing. Nope, no different, that was like

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02:35:49,240 --> 02:35:52,240
Speaker 1: that was like college era Spencer. This is like recent.

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Speaker 1: I still bug people this question. I asked him what

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Speaker 1: the U S state is that they think about the least?

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02:35:59,040 --> 02:36:01,400
Speaker 1: It's ever like yours answer, because then like three answers

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02:36:01,480 --> 02:36:03,400
Speaker 1: later be like, oh, actually it's this one. I never

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02:36:03,440 --> 02:36:05,520
Speaker 1: think about this one. It's a great question, man, I

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02:36:05,640 --> 02:36:08,959
Speaker 1: love it. I'd love to play it sometime with you guys. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: the most common answer I get is Connecticut. Oh I

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02:36:12,720 --> 02:36:15,119
Speaker 1: believe that. So why why should folks think of Connecticut?

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Speaker 1: Do some pr work for them? Oh? I can answer

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Speaker 1: you right now. I think it's a great topic because

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Speaker 1: I felt that way for the longest time. Connecticut just

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Speaker 1: to drive through state, I almost don't want to give

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Speaker 1: it up, right, but like whatever it's, you don't want

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02:36:26,320 --> 02:36:29,720
Speaker 1: to spot burn Connecticut. It's a gem like it's you know,

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Speaker 1: like it was always just like in the way a few,

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Speaker 1: like another two hours until you got to a cool

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Speaker 1: state like New Hampshire, Rhode Island from Maine. I mean

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Speaker 1: those they are awesome. Everyone's going up there for con

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Speaker 1: vacation land, you know. And but Connecticut there's it's just

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Speaker 1: as beautiful. And where I'm at, it's like it's right

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Speaker 1: at the on the border Rhode Island, and it's right

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Speaker 1: where it starts to become you know, ocean, and it's

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Speaker 1: just i mean really nice, active, small agricult a lot

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Speaker 1: of farm not a dairy, a lot of cattle, a

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Speaker 1: lot of sheep, lot of like ease is a seaweed

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Speaker 1: farmers and um, just a lot of really cool things

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Speaker 1: happening out there. And and it's kind of like slept

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Speaker 1: on a little bit, you know. It's and it's not

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Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere like mystics of town there.

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Speaker 1: Providences is super close international airports, only like thirty five minutes.

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Speaker 1: But then I'm you know, it's but then I'm sitting

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Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere, ten minutes from the ocean.

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Speaker 1: That's a good answer, but it sucks. Stay away. Yeah, alright,

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Speaker 1: brad Leoni, thanks for having me, man, Thanks thanks for

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Speaker 1: coming on what did he get as a fisherman? Six five?

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Speaker 1: Oh as a fisherman? I think it was six five

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Speaker 1: brad Leon six point five Mountain White Fisherman. There's five podcast? Yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing nine point five? You got you guys? Do

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02:37:52,560 --> 02:37:54,880
Speaker 1: you guys score people? Just starting Jesse? What do you

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Speaker 1: give him? Podcast? You like to throw around these numbers Chester,

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02:37:59,200 --> 02:38:03,120
Speaker 1: um guest, I'm not as probably good at rating podcast,

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Speaker 1: but I would say n boys, that's a phenomenal sport.

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Speaker 1: Room for improvement, always, always, every category. That's going to

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Speaker 1: be the name of my new show room. All right,

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Speaker 1: thanks guys, thank you,