Speaker 1: Loud and Quiet Presents Midnight Chat.
Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of the Loud and Quiet Interview podcast.
Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us once again and downloading taking
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Speaker 2: who does the rest of these interviews when it's not me.
Speaker 2: So Future Island's have a new album coming out next
Speaker 2: month on the seventh of April. It's called The Far Field.
Speaker 2: It's released via the four AD label, a second album
Speaker 2: by them. And that's as much information as you'll get
Speaker 2: on that from this podcast, because we don't talk about
Speaker 2: the new album, even though my conversation this week is
Speaker 2: with Samuel t Herring, who's the lead singer a few trilents.
Speaker 2: We just we just don't talk about the album, and
Speaker 2: that's probably my fault. But we got sidetracked talking about
Speaker 2: other things and then time run out, and that was that.
Speaker 2: It got to the end, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: we didn't we didn't do the thing that you were
Speaker 2: probably here to do, which was pluggyr new album. But
Speaker 2: he didn't seem too too bothered by that, and we'd
Speaker 2: had a great conversation so I didn't I didn't mind
Speaker 2: too much. But it's out there, it's coming. It's coming
Speaker 2: on the on the seventh of April. And yet it's
Speaker 2: called The Far Field. It's the second one for four
Speaker 2: A d as I say, and it follows the band's
Speaker 2: fourth record, which was that breakout album called Singles, and
Speaker 2: that record took the band from a from a touring
Speaker 2: punk band essentially to national TV. They had this incredible
Speaker 2: kind of spike in reach when they went on the
Speaker 2: David Letterman Show and they performed Seasons and you probably
Speaker 2: all know this already because it was a viral thing.
Speaker 2: A lot of people got to see the band that
Speaker 2: had never seen the band befoil and even knew they existed,
Speaker 2: and it did wonderful things for them. And I was
Speaker 2: really happy for them because few Trilands are one of
Speaker 2: those bands who have toured and toured and put the
Speaker 2: graft in, they've put the hours in, and it was
Speaker 2: nice to see that last year and the year before
Speaker 2: they really kind of they got that Jews and they
Speaker 2: were playing bigger shows and they're all over the place.
Speaker 2: So this next record, I'm sure he's going to just
Speaker 2: keep them on that track. But we don't talk about
Speaker 2: the new record. What we talk about is Sam's love
Speaker 2: for rap music, growing up in North Carolina, a bit
Speaker 2: about Baltimore, and some other bits and pieces. We met
Speaker 2: just around the corner from our office in a hotel
Speaker 2: that Sam was staying in. It's a nice hotel anyway,
Speaker 2: but he had one of the posher rooms and he
Speaker 2: had a full working kitchen in his room, and we
Speaker 2: kind of hung out there for an hour or so,
Speaker 2: and he was great fun to talk to, very enthusiastic,
Speaker 2: very funny, and just very very likable guy. And yeah,
Speaker 2: this is the conversation I had with Samuel t Herry,
Speaker 2: not so much about the band's new music, but about
Speaker 2: some of his old music and what it's like to
Speaker 2: be in fewtrels. How are you doing, Sam?
Speaker 3: We were welcome to my lovely hotel room.
Speaker 2: This is nicer than my house. You've got your pre
Speaker 2: mixed cocktails.
Speaker 3: Oh man, they got They got me through the end
Speaker 3: of the night last night.
Speaker 2: Okay, you've seen to you've still got a few enough?
Speaker 2: Did you get? You got those four?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I got in late last night, so I have
Speaker 3: to drink the other three today, I believe tomorrow. Okay,
Speaker 3: so they said they it's eighteen dollars. I think that
Speaker 3: sign says it's eighteen dollars if I don't drink it.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you see, you have to it's gonna cost
Speaker 2: you if.
Speaker 3: It's gonna cost me if I don't all right to
Speaker 3: make this happen.
Speaker 2: So you arrived last night, you flew in last night.
Speaker 3: We yeah, we took the Eurostar from Brussels. And this
Speaker 3: has been crazy. So we've we've never actually done a
Speaker 3: proper press tour. We're on like a press tour, which
Speaker 3: means you you do ten interviews a day and you
Speaker 3: don't get to play. Usually it's four interviews a day
Speaker 3: and then you play and the and the playing is
Speaker 3: the ultimate release from all the like, from all the chat,
Speaker 3: the blathering. Sorry, no that's fine, You're like, well, at
Speaker 3: least we get to play. But this one's like this
Speaker 3: is it's crazy. So we've done like this this might
Speaker 3: uh yeah, we've done like at least ten interviews a day.
Speaker 3: We did fourteen in Madrid, which was the first day,
Speaker 3: which I've never even touched on. Fourteen interviews. It's pretty crazy.
Speaker 2: How's it been going.
Speaker 3: It's been going good. It's been going good. It's funny
Speaker 3: because like the questions that I would normally answer, now
Speaker 3: Garrett and William can answer them, and the questions that
Speaker 3: WAYM would answer me and Garrett can answer them right,
Speaker 3: Like we've we've figured out the answers a certain question,
Speaker 3: which is really funny because sometimes if Garrett's Garrett can
Speaker 3: can be the quietest at times, and now me and
Speaker 3: William will just look at him be like you're trying
Speaker 3: to answer this question. Yeah, and so he'll go through the.
Speaker 2: Script kind of like come on, pull you all white.
Speaker 2: This is you'll lie on man feeding him alone.
Speaker 3: But he's he's like secretly the funniest one.
Speaker 2: Okay, he's a secret weapon. Oh it always So you're
Speaker 2: still in Botimoy.
Speaker 3: There were still in Baltimore? Been there? I just I
Speaker 3: just have my ninth anniversary in the city.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, And what's Baltimore like because over here in
Speaker 2: the UK at least, most people kind of associate with
Speaker 2: the Wire. Yeah, that's our reference point is the Wire.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Baltimore is like Birmingham. Okay, yeah, it's like you know,
Speaker 3: but but really it is like a working class, working
Speaker 3: class city, post industrial It definitely has its own culture.
Speaker 3: It has its own accents. I mean, for for as
Speaker 3: far as American cities, you know, there were so many
Speaker 3: American cities that fell after you know, the assassination of
Speaker 3: Martin Luther King riding in the in in many cities
Speaker 3: across the United States like white flight, you know, white
Speaker 3: people being afraid and going out and starting in the suburbs.
Speaker 3: But there's you know what's happening in America now is
Speaker 3: those those same families that left the suburbs are now
Speaker 3: coming back into the cities and gentrifying where there was
Speaker 3: basically waste lands left. You know, all the a lot
Speaker 3: of a lot of money leaving, leaving urban centers with
Speaker 3: families tax dollars, and now they're coming back in and
Speaker 3: pushing people out who have been the people who are
Speaker 3: kind of left behind. And so Baltimore has has some
Speaker 3: of that. But in a place like Detroit, where it's
Speaker 3: just really an empty city for thirty forty years, it's
Speaker 3: just been an emptied out, is it still like Detroit? Well,
Speaker 3: what Detroit's Detroit's experience is experiencing its own turnaround. But
Speaker 3: the thing about is like for Detroit, when people left,
Speaker 3: you don't have to drive through Detroit like you to
Speaker 3: as far as the highway systems like, you don't have
Speaker 3: you have to go off the off the way to
Speaker 3: go through Detroit. Like if you're going from say Pittsburgh
Speaker 3: to Chicago, or in the in the long run, if
Speaker 3: things are going from Philadelphia, New York to Chicago, you
Speaker 3: don't have to go through Detroit, but Baltimore you have
Speaker 3: to drive through. Like if you're going to go from
Speaker 3: DC to Philly, or DC to New York, or New
Speaker 3: York south of d C to the south, you have
Speaker 3: to go through Baltimore. So I think in a way,
Speaker 3: like where some of the Rust Belt cities Buffalo, Buffalo,
Speaker 3: New York, Erie, Pennsylvania, Detroit, they experienced great losses in
Speaker 3: population and have kind of remained that way. Baltimore lost
Speaker 3: a great amount of its population, but it still remained
Speaker 3: relevant and still remained a place that was a middle
Speaker 3: ground that you had to go through, but has a
Speaker 3: lot of the characteristics of what Manchester had in the
Speaker 3: in the late seventies early eighties that kind of bred
Speaker 3: so much artistic creativity because of that kind of somewhat
Speaker 3: desolate atmosphere. You know, I've felt that way about about
Speaker 3: Baltimore for a while. There's that great book Rip It
Speaker 3: Up and Start Again that kind of speaks about these
Speaker 3: different the Manchester Akron, Ohio like place in New York
Speaker 3: City in the fifties, sixties, even the eighties, you know,
Speaker 3: like the way New York created hip hop from I
Speaker 3: don't know, burned down, burning buildings, and then this this
Speaker 3: art form that's kind of taken over all of music
Speaker 3: has emerged. You know.
Speaker 2: There can't be many major cities in the US that
Speaker 2: you guys haven't been through because you've took hot You've
Speaker 2: you've driven a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we're really excited because this year I'm trying
Speaker 3: to think what month it is, We're we're going to
Speaker 3: Wyoming for the first time, the state of Wyoming, and
Speaker 3: that is the last state in the United States we
Speaker 3: have not played. Okay, we've played forty nine to fifty
Speaker 3: states and we've got one more to go, and we're
Speaker 3: doing Wyoming this year, and we're really excited. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: really want to make like a special T shirt just
Speaker 3: for that show. You know, the check it the check
Speaker 3: it off.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna love it. They've been waiting a long time
Speaker 2: for you to get there.
Speaker 3: Then I hope so the show. I mean, we may
Speaker 3: just go out there and it's just going to play
Speaker 3: to a couple of prairie dogs, some old some old bikers.
Speaker 2: Stuff like that behind like a grill fence, have a
Speaker 2: garill on the staite.
Speaker 3: But Wyoming is one of my favorite states to drive through.
Speaker 3: It's absolutely beautiful. It's like an Andrew Wyatt painting. I
Speaker 3: don't know if you're familiar Christina's world, It's just like
Speaker 3: these green pastel rolling hills and like like tornado trails
Speaker 3: like rolling over the top, like you'll I remember the
Speaker 3: first time drying through Wyoming. This would have been on
Speaker 3: our first US tour back in mid mid late two
Speaker 3: thousand and eight. Seeing cyclones just hanging out in the
Speaker 3: distance and you can see the trails like across the field.
Speaker 3: It's absolutely beautiful. I mean that's, you know, part of
Speaker 3: the beauty of America, which is also like part of
Speaker 3: what we don't see and also what it used to
Speaker 3: be like before we ruined it with our carbon footprints.
Speaker 2: What was I mean, you grew up in North Carolina,
Speaker 2: Yeah right, so what was what was that like before
Speaker 2: you you moved to Baltimore in two thousand and eight
Speaker 2: something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I moved there. I moved to Baltimore in January
Speaker 3: of two thousand and eight. Okay, I grew up in
Speaker 3: I grew up in a small town called Newport, North Carolina.
Speaker 3: Like our house was actually in the slightly larger town
Speaker 3: called Morehead City next door, but our parents, me and
Speaker 3: my brother's parents worked two towns over, so they put
Speaker 3: us in the middle town, which I'm actually really happy
Speaker 3: about where I grew up because Morehead City where in
Speaker 3: my house where my parents still have a house. The
Speaker 3: house I grew up in was it's the state port
Speaker 3: of North Carolina. But it's only about maybe fifteen thousand people,
Speaker 3: so it's a small, very small city, and there is
Speaker 3: a lot of tourism. There's there's some of that kind
Speaker 3: of like there's a little bit of old money and
Speaker 3: like these kinds of things. Kids can be a little
Speaker 3: they're just a little bit, I don't know, a little
Speaker 3: bit more stuck up there. And we me and my brother,
Speaker 3: well they're stuck up because to where me and my
Speaker 3: brother grew up in the town of Newport, which was
Speaker 3: a town about four thousand and that's it was all
Speaker 3: basically like farmers people just didn't have as much, so
Speaker 3: everybody was kind of on the level. Everybody was on
Speaker 3: level with one another. Everybody knew each other, and there wasn't,
Speaker 3: I don't know, there just wasn't this kind of infighting.
Speaker 3: So we were always, you know, playing sports growing up,
Speaker 3: being on like all star teams, and we play against
Speaker 3: Morehead and they would just like look down on us
Speaker 3: and they would have their nice uniforms and we'd be
Speaker 3: like bad news bear style, like just like whatever our
Speaker 3: parents could afford. And but those kinds of things made it,
Speaker 3: you know, because my dad's the kind of guy that, know,
Speaker 3: like would talk to anybody, you know. And I remember
Speaker 3: walking to him to the post office every day after
Speaker 3: school to drop off mail or pick up and he'd
Speaker 3: be like he'd just talk to somebody for forty five minutes,
Speaker 3: and I'd be standing there like kicking my feet, like
Speaker 3: can we please go? And then we leave and I'd
Speaker 3: be like who was that and he'd be like I
Speaker 3: have no I'd be like, I can't believe you just
Speaker 3: wasted forty five minutes talk and he's like, I didn't
Speaker 3: want to be rude. So that's like kind of like
Speaker 3: these kinds of things. Also, I don't know, it's like,
Speaker 3: now I'm that guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, do you find yourself doing that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm totally that person now. And but but the
Speaker 3: thing is, like my dad was the one attorney in
Speaker 3: this small town, so so uh and so I might
Speaker 3: get I might get some guff at school like you know, oh,
Speaker 3: well you're you're a rich kid because your dad's an attorney.
Speaker 3: I'd just be like, my dad works for your dad, Like,
Speaker 3: and you know, my dad did tons of pro bono
Speaker 3: work just because he's not the stereotypical attorney. You know,
Speaker 3: it's just like a really really good guy, really honest guy.
Speaker 3: I remember asking my dad when I was a kid,
Speaker 3: like are you a good attorney? And he was just like, wow,
Speaker 3: I'm an honest one. When I would find out later,
Speaker 3: he was just kind of being like, well, I do
Speaker 3: my best, but I don't lie, so I lose some
Speaker 3: cases to be honest, and that kind of stuff. Just
Speaker 3: like growing up with a really solid, a really solid
Speaker 3: moral foundation in a small town where my dad would
Speaker 3: treat the judge, you know, the judge of the county,
Speaker 3: like the head judge in the county, the same as
Speaker 3: he would treat the mechanic who fixed the car, maybe
Speaker 3: even treat the mechanic better. You know, really treating people
Speaker 3: all on the same level. I think is really important
Speaker 3: to how me and my brother grew up and how
Speaker 3: I don't know, just how I walk through life and
Speaker 3: kind of play. I mean, ever since I was a kid,
Speaker 3: you know, grew up educated my parents. I was really
Speaker 3: important to them. But you know, by the time it
Speaker 3: was going off to college, I would just like wear
Speaker 3: the most ripped up clothes that I that I had
Speaker 3: and walk into the bank. And you know, people people
Speaker 3: treat you differently if you look different, if you look
Speaker 3: like you don't have you can, people will at times
Speaker 3: treat you differently and look down upon you. And then
Speaker 3: you speak to them and they realize, oh, this is
Speaker 3: an intelligent person. And I would I did that as
Speaker 3: a kid on purpose or as a younger man, to
Speaker 3: be like, yeah, I know that you're looking at me
Speaker 3: a certain way, but I am an intelligent person and
Speaker 3: I can talk to you on your level, So talk
Speaker 3: to me on my level. You know. It's like it's
Speaker 3: like trying trying to play with that, and in a
Speaker 3: way that's that's kind of become a part of our
Speaker 3: art as well, you know, of just being regular, regular
Speaker 3: guys on stage and regular guys stage, but also pushing
Speaker 3: pushing the music and the emotions of the music out
Speaker 3: in a very visceral way, because that's that's the truth
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 2: You know, is that where your kind of interest for
Speaker 2: rap music came from when you were when you were
Speaker 2: younger as well, and you I know that you'd like
Speaker 2: rap and you do battle raps and against other kids
Speaker 2: in the neighborhood or different schools and stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, did.
Speaker 2: That come I mean, did that come from this idea
Speaker 2: of being cling with people's with that perception? You know?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I would say, you know, the thing
Speaker 3: that really attracted me to hip hop music when I
Speaker 3: discovered it was the fact of are like finding out
Speaker 3: about other people's stories. Like I'm I'm learning I'm in
Speaker 3: rural North Carolina and all all of a sudden, I'm
Speaker 3: listening to a keras Ones self titled album and he's
Speaker 3: talking about you know, when you were at home with
Speaker 3: your mother, afraid of the Dark, I was sleeping out
Speaker 3: in Prospect Park, eating one meal every forty eight hours,
Speaker 3: you know, and like like hearing a real story about
Speaker 3: an experience that I don't understand, you know, in a
Speaker 3: way that that because for me, I was like that
Speaker 3: gives me more perspective on how other people live and
Speaker 3: the struggles of other people that are far outside of
Speaker 3: my community, not only being a kid in the Royal South,
Speaker 3: but being a white kid, you know, Like I'm I'm
Speaker 3: learning about the struggle of blacks in America through music
Speaker 3: and uh and so that. But but the most important
Speaker 3: part of that is learning about someone's personal struggle. Like
Speaker 3: I feel like a lot of times in in music,
Speaker 3: you don't you aren't always given struggle like you're given, uh,
Speaker 3: Like a simple song about about I don't know, just
Speaker 3: like a pretty girl walking down the street, you know,
Speaker 3: or something like rock and roll can be very universal.
Speaker 3: It can be fun, but it doesn't always tell truths,
Speaker 3: you know. So when I'm when I'm when I was
Speaker 3: listening to hip hop and getting like a raw story,
Speaker 3: a story that wasn't good, you know, not not some
Speaker 3: sunshine story. I'm hearing about someone's trials and tribulations. That's
Speaker 3: what spoke to me because also even in that situation
Speaker 3: of growing up, I felt very isolated, like at the
Speaker 3: same time, you know, I don't know if I was
Speaker 3: isolated by my intellect or the way that I felt
Speaker 3: that I looked, you know, or you know, having my
Speaker 3: father being attorney in a small town of farmers, like like,
Speaker 3: not wanting to stand out or feel never wanting to
Speaker 3: be like seen as an elite or something, just wanting
Speaker 3: to be on the level, you know, just wanting to
Speaker 3: be like everybody else, but also knowing that I wasn't
Speaker 3: and I was my own person. Like, so when I
Speaker 3: discovered hip hop, that that allowed me that basically said
Speaker 3: I could write like I want to try to write.
Speaker 3: And so then when I started writing at thirteen, fourteen
Speaker 3: years old, then I was able to define myself and
Speaker 3: go into myself in a way I hadn't before, where
Speaker 3: instead of it being like, you know, I'm a kid
Speaker 3: and I sometimes I feel sad, like I can say
Speaker 3: that in a voice that that that has power, you know,
Speaker 3: Like hip hop was an empowering structure when it was created.
Speaker 3: It was created out of people that didn't have power
Speaker 3: looking for that power and looking for their voice, finding
Speaker 3: their voice through through their struggle. So and that's the
Speaker 3: interesting thing that I think a lot of people like
Speaker 3: they find out that you know, you know hip hop,
Speaker 3: you're a rapper, or like that's your first art form.
Speaker 3: I've heard like that doesn't make sense with Future Islands.
Speaker 3: But if you look at the way that I perform,
Speaker 3: if you if you listen to the way that I
Speaker 3: put my my story out there, you'll see that my
Speaker 3: art is about with with my best friends, my bandmates,
Speaker 3: like is about putting my struggle forward and how I feel.
Speaker 3: But the truth of that what happens is is you
Speaker 3: share those stories and then you connect with that kid
Speaker 3: who's alone in his room and doesn't know how to
Speaker 3: express himself.
Speaker 2: And truth is completely at the middle of Future Islands.
Speaker 2: It has been the very first record. When though, did
Speaker 2: it go from rapping? When did you turn your hand
Speaker 2: to singing as opposed to rapping? And how did you
Speaker 2: discover particularly your voice, your unique growl? If I can
Speaker 2: cool it a ground, well.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, growing up, I always I could
Speaker 3: always sing, and you know, me and my brother would
Speaker 3: sing with my mom. My mom loved to sing, she
Speaker 3: played piano, so you know, as early as I could remember,
Speaker 3: me and my brother would be with my mom and
Speaker 3: her sheep music like you know, she'd have like Cat
Speaker 3: Steven's sheet music or out In John songs, but of
Speaker 3: course like Christmas songs you know, around Christmas time and
Speaker 3: these things. So that was always a part of our
Speaker 3: experience growing up. But more so for me is just
Speaker 3: like writing to and from school or to and from
Speaker 3: my parents' office, and and her listening to the Old
Speaker 3: East Station, old you know, R and B and soul
Speaker 3: do wop and these things, and singing along to like
Speaker 3: Diana Ross and the Supremes and the Temptations and Marvin
Speaker 3: Gay and Sam Cook and loving these songs, and you
Speaker 3: know it as far back as I can remember, like
Speaker 3: back then when I was that seven year old kid
Speaker 3: who felt like I was different and and wanted a voice,
Speaker 3: Like I used to have this crazy idea that I
Speaker 3: wish that I had been born in the in the
Speaker 3: forties so that I could have been a singer in
Speaker 3: the fifties and sixties. Even at that age, I was like,
Speaker 3: I wish I could sing these soul songs like that
Speaker 3: was the first. That was like the first music that
Speaker 3: really spoke to me, spoke to me in a real way,
Speaker 3: And and that was like closer to because you know,
Speaker 3: people say like where did you sing? And I was like,
Speaker 3: really just singing with my mom. My mom has a
Speaker 3: great voice, and you know, she will be the first
Speaker 3: person to tell me that I'm flat, you know, be
Speaker 3: like you need to work on that a little bit,
Speaker 3: Sam like, thanks mom.
Speaker 2: Even now now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean my my my mom has a
Speaker 3: five disc CD changer in her car. And I was
Speaker 3: really happy when I this Christmas when I was able
Speaker 3: to bring the Master's Home of the Far Few Old,
Speaker 3: because I was like, well, now you can complete the
Speaker 3: collection because it's it's the four Future Islands albums and
Speaker 3: the Chieftains. That's like the five CDs in her car.
Speaker 3: So I go, I go home, and I asked my
Speaker 3: mom to borrow the car something. I jump in and
Speaker 3: it's like Future Islands playing, Like I can't handle this
Speaker 3: right now?
Speaker 2: Does that feel weird when when you hear that?
Speaker 3: It also makes me proud? No? No, no, no, I love
Speaker 3: hearing that stuff. It's just like a funny thing because
Speaker 3: I know, I mean, my mom, My mom and dad
Speaker 3: are extremely supportive and they're like really proud of us,
Speaker 3: which is you know, I don't think that we could
Speaker 3: have gotten to where we are today or where we
Speaker 3: were four years ago without our parents. Like all four
Speaker 3: of us are really lucky to have parents who have
Speaker 3: supported us, even though at times they were really terrified
Speaker 3: of what the hell we were doing with our lives. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we continued forward, and you know, my parents bought the
Speaker 3: first van for Future Islands. You know, five hundred bucks,
Speaker 3: best five hundred bucks ever spent. If it wasn't for
Speaker 3: that van, who knows what would have happened. But we
Speaker 3: didn't have the money to do it. And our friend
Speaker 3: who who was in our first band, when he quit,
Speaker 3: he was the one who had the van.
Speaker 2: So he took the van with him, so he was right, okay, right, yeah.
Speaker 3: So he left town quit the man. And then shortly
Speaker 3: after we would start Future Islands. And I was talking
Speaker 3: to my parents, how we got this thing, but we
Speaker 3: don't have a vehicle, And then my dad said, you know,
Speaker 3: started without me knowing, started looking for vehicles, and then
Speaker 3: and then track one down for five hundred bucks from
Speaker 3: a local company, the office supply company that was selling
Speaker 3: their van. So for the first two years of Future Islands,
Speaker 3: we were touring in a in a van that said
Speaker 3: office pros Supply shop on the side, and we would
Speaker 3: roll into towns with our gear looking like a business
Speaker 3: on the road. I mean. The funny thing is the
Speaker 3: van after that was an old dog and cat grooming
Speaker 3: company and there were these decals on the side with
Speaker 3: like a cartoon dog and a cartoon cat running towards
Speaker 3: a heart and it said hugs and kisses grooming Palace,
Speaker 3: and that We took that van around the country a
Speaker 3: couple of times just to beat up old three window
Speaker 3: cargo van, you know with the sliding door. My dad
Speaker 3: put the seats in himself. Another like six hundred dollars van,
Speaker 3: you know, and uh yeah, those old vans carried us
Speaker 3: all over the place and helped us to create our foundation.
Speaker 3: But a lot of that, like yeah, without my folks,
Speaker 3: you know, put putting forth in the beginning and believing
Speaker 3: in it enough, then who knows what would have happened.
Speaker 2: You say that there was like a couple of times
Speaker 2: when they were as supportive as they were, they were
Speaker 2: naturally a bit terrified about what their sons were doing.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, which is completely natural, did you for
Speaker 2: you guys, because like this new record is your fifth record,
Speaker 2: and obviously there was a huge kind of just changing
Speaker 2: everything from singles from the last record, which was your
Speaker 2: fourth record. Yeah, was there ever a time for you
Speaker 2: guys where you thought maybe this isn't gonna like happen,
Speaker 2: or like, yeah, when you were quest like what we're
Speaker 2: doing here? We're in we're in a dog and cat
Speaker 2: greaming van. We've released three records already, but we're still
Speaker 2: in the van, you know that kind of thing. Did
Speaker 2: you have those doubts?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean there were doubts even in I mean,
Speaker 3: hell in twenty fourteen, like after being on the road
Speaker 3: for the first six months of six seven months of
Speaker 3: the year, you know, we we kicked off the we
Speaker 3: kicked off the tour in March, so six months into that,
Speaker 3: by September October, most successful touring we'd ever done. I
Speaker 3: wanted to go home and I was tired because I mean,
Speaker 3: was it just fatigue just yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: it's hard, it's really it's really hard life. And of course,
Speaker 3: you know, I'll be on the road for six months
Speaker 3: and want to go home, but I'll be home for
Speaker 3: a week and I want to go on the road.
Speaker 3: You know. So there's and there's that understanding because of
Speaker 3: because of the longevity of this band because we've been
Speaker 3: through these steps, like you know, you you come to peace,
Speaker 3: like you hit that you hit that mark and you
Speaker 3: say I want to go, and you say, don't worry,
Speaker 3: you will. Yeah, it's gotta it's gonna keep going a
Speaker 3: little bit longer because you know, you know, I can say, well,
Speaker 3: you know you're gonna get home, You're not gonna know
Speaker 3: what the hell will do, and you're gonna want to
Speaker 3: go back on the road. And I actually had a
Speaker 3: lot of troubles with my voice in twenty fourteen because
Speaker 3: of the death growling, which is you know, I growl
Speaker 3: because I'm out of breath because I'm dancing so hard,
Speaker 3: and then I lose parts of my voice. So the
Speaker 3: next show, even if I'm not out of the breath,
Speaker 3: I'm growling because I can't hit the note. It's basically
Speaker 3: just a vicious cycle. You know. It's also a tool.
Speaker 3: You know, it's a tool to shake people out of
Speaker 3: their boots.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it works.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's also but it was born out of
Speaker 3: a necessity or and or a a mistake, you know,
Speaker 3: because my voice has decayed so much over the years,
Speaker 3: and you know, it's it's more like you know, people's
Speaker 3: voices naturally change over time. But you know, single hundred
Speaker 3: shows a year and a vine you where your microphone
Speaker 3: feeds back if you get within two inches of it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and so you so you or or so you turn
Speaker 3: down the volume and you have to scream louder so
Speaker 3: you can hear yourself. And like all those, all those
Speaker 3: things over the years, you know, drinking, you know, half
Speaker 3: a fifth a night for drink, a half a fifth
Speaker 3: of whiskey a night for six minks with thirty with
Speaker 3: thirty to forty cigarettes, and see if your voice doesn't
Speaker 3: change while screaming at people. But going back to the
Speaker 3: old days, you know, injured my voice many times because
Speaker 3: they just didn't know what I was doing. You know,
Speaker 3: I really learned how to sing. I'm putting that in
Speaker 3: quotes for the people at home. It has really been
Speaker 3: just through trial and error and just being out there
Speaker 3: and and uh mixed, you know, figuring it out. But
Speaker 3: but you know, that style, the style that's more akin
Speaker 3: to what we do now comes from when we started
Speaker 3: writing an Evening Air, and I was my voice was
Speaker 3: really damaged after those first years of touring and moving
Speaker 3: to Baltimore, and I was really concerned that I would
Speaker 3: never be able to really sing well again, that it
Speaker 3: was beyond repair. And I was actually really I was
Speaker 3: really sad because of because of this. I was just like, well,
Speaker 3: you ruined it, and you're so young, and you already
Speaker 3: ruined this thing that you wanted to make your life.
Speaker 3: But as we started writing songs again, I started to
Speaker 3: discover a new voice. And this is and this is
Speaker 3: kind of the way it's been ever since with every album,
Speaker 3: and especially with the Far Field once again being like
Speaker 3: I've damaged my voice, like all the touring, on singles,
Speaker 3: the extended sets, the long touring runs, I've developed something
Speaker 3: on my on my vocal cords called rinka sedema, which
Speaker 3: is uh, these abnormal growths. It's also called like shark fins.
Speaker 3: They grow. It's like that, it's what that buzzing is
Speaker 3: right on my throat. Like if you listen to old
Speaker 3: like seven year old men and women who have smoked
Speaker 3: their whole lives, they have that low thing. They sound
Speaker 3: like frogs. Yes, that's me. That's the same thing. It's
Speaker 3: a rink as edema. So I found out about that
Speaker 3: in twenty fourteen. So basically going into this writing, I
Speaker 3: was once again like I've ruined my voice again and
Speaker 3: I don't know what to do about it. I can't
Speaker 3: do anything about it, like this is this is un
Speaker 3: You can't you can't reverse what I have. So once again,
Speaker 3: as we started writing, I was like, well, I just
Speaker 3: write in my new voice, you know, and that that's
Speaker 3: cool too, because if you think about somebody like Tom Waits,
Speaker 3: who's really grows with his voice every record, you know,
Speaker 3: it's it's really cool, it's a signature. And the fact
Speaker 3: is like when we were in our first band and
Speaker 3: then into the beginning of Future Islands, like I had
Speaker 3: an all right, well, I had a really good voice
Speaker 3: to start when we were eighteen nine year old kids,
Speaker 3: and by Wave like Home like I had my I
Speaker 3: had a voice. But by the time we started doing
Speaker 3: an Evening Air and I'd really messed up and thought
Speaker 3: I messed up my voice. What happened with that record
Speaker 3: is I found my own voice.
Speaker 2: How about dancing? Has that always been because you're dancing
Speaker 2: is something special, it's something that's something else, that's something
Speaker 2: it's kind of something special. It's uh no, I mean,
Speaker 2: you're so known for it, and I think what people
Speaker 2: I think when people come and see a show of
Speaker 2: yours and they see you, see you dance for the
Speaker 2: first time. They what they love about and what bowls
Speaker 2: people away is just how kind of you have, kind
Speaker 2: of no inhibitions there. It's what most people would like
Speaker 2: to be like at the gig when they're just watching
Speaker 2: the gig and they're in the crowd of people that'd
Speaker 2: love to be able to just like let loose and
Speaker 2: just go for it. But there's something in us, most
Speaker 2: of us with two self conscious, especially like here in London.
Speaker 2: Like London crowds are notoriously quite static.
Speaker 3: Wait here right now, we're.
Speaker 2: I think, I don't think people watch you and they go,
Speaker 2: oh man, he's just going for it, like people love that.
Speaker 2: But have you always have you always gone for it?
Speaker 3: Uh? Well yeah, I mean, but you know the thing,
Speaker 3: the thing is like uh I think it was really
Speaker 3: showcased later on and with singles, not only because of
Speaker 3: the style of music, but and this thing is so windy,
Speaker 3: not only because of the style of the music, but
Speaker 3: because the stages were bigger. Like back in the days
Speaker 3: we would be shoved in a small corner of a
Speaker 3: room on the floor and I would be always more
Speaker 3: like it was more like an old school punk singer.
Speaker 2: Because I saw you play here at a venue that's
Speaker 2: gone now, it's been knocked down. It's called camp. It
Speaker 2: was just before an Evening Air came out. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: which is a tiny stage. And then the last time
Speaker 2: I saw you was at the Roundhouse last year, which
Speaker 2: is a big view, which is like a mess. I
Speaker 2: loved those shows.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were a lot of fun. Well, that's the thing,
Speaker 3: Like so back in the day, there wasn't room to
Speaker 3: even dance. There wasn't room to there wasn't room for
Speaker 3: grand gesture and uh and but but performance was still
Speaker 3: the big thing for me, like performing the songs, like.
Speaker 2: Like it was still even back then when you weren't dancing,
Speaker 2: there was still something about your performance that was like
Speaker 2: nothing art scene before. Yeah, and kind of to come
Speaker 2: back to that point of like truth in your music,
Speaker 2: like you were just kind of leaving it all out there,
Speaker 2: even in like this tiny basement club even more important.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, connecting with people, actually connecting people, going head
Speaker 3: to head with people, like forcing my head on there,
Speaker 3: grabbing people by their shirts, crying in people directly in
Speaker 3: people's faces. I mean, that's it's all about. For me,
Speaker 3: it's all about telling stories and sharing the ross emotions
Speaker 3: from the worst parts of our lives. I shouldn't say
Speaker 3: the worst parts, but those those things that inspire emotions.
Speaker 3: I've definitely met fans or I don't really like to
Speaker 3: use the term fans, supporters of our band who who
Speaker 3: are that I'm very like, just the chill, like nice
Speaker 3: guy off stage. They're like, how are you like this?
Speaker 3: And not like you are on stage, And I was like,
Speaker 3: do you want to meet a guy that's like me
Speaker 3: twenty four hours a day off stage? Like that sounds
Speaker 3: like a nightmare. It was like we were joking about
Speaker 3: an interview yesterday, just like, yeah, if I was like
Speaker 3: that at home, like making eggs, just like just like
Speaker 3: ripping across the kitchen, like like do a cartwheel into
Speaker 3: the bathroom, KI kick out of it. But yeah, these,
Speaker 3: you know, it's the dancing kind of came along as
Speaker 3: the stages got bigger. But I mean I've always you know,
Speaker 3: I was in like a in a improvisational dance group
Speaker 3: when I was just seventeen years old. It was me,
Speaker 3: me and four string instruments. And butsoon wow, and I
Speaker 3: was the element of the music like I created the
Speaker 3: music with my well I didn't actually create the music,
Speaker 3: but they were supposed to follow my movement. So this
Speaker 3: is it like an experimental art school that I was
Speaker 3: in when after my junior or at high school. And
Speaker 3: that was kind of my first foray into dance. So
Speaker 3: even that early, much more experimental dance. And because I
Speaker 3: was I was very driven by performance art. Like going
Speaker 3: into college, I wanted to I wanted to study conceptional
Speaker 3: and performance art, which is funny because I flunk terribly
Speaker 3: out of school though there weren't any programs like that,
Speaker 3: and you know, I was in a much more technical
Speaker 3: fine art school. They didn't really have what I wanted
Speaker 3: to study. But in a weird way, years later, I
Speaker 3: would find myself in a band that actually gave me
Speaker 3: all of that that I wanted, which was to be
Speaker 3: able to combine you know, my words that I believe
Speaker 3: deeply in with the my body as the sculpture, you know,
Speaker 3: like body as art and in my words that meant
Speaker 3: some wise I could never figure out how to mix
Speaker 3: my ability to be photo realistic artwork with a pencil
Speaker 3: against my rapping like you know, this crazy circuitous labyrinthine
Speaker 3: probably fucking archaic, full of itself rap shit I was
Speaker 3: making when I was eighteen, tongue Twisters with the ideas
Speaker 3: of performance art. I was like, how do you mix
Speaker 3: the two D with words with the three D and
Speaker 3: in living motion? And then years later I'd be like,
Speaker 3: I did it on accident. I'm in a cool band
Speaker 3: and I get to I get to perform my songs,
Speaker 3: and you know, it's about for me. I've always been
Speaker 3: in the performance for a few drownds is about telling
Speaker 3: a story to people that can't hear what the hell
Speaker 3: you're saying because you're you're stuffed into these noisy bars
Speaker 3: with drunk people, and in the days where you could
Speaker 3: still smoke inside, you may not even see the stance.
Speaker 3: Yeah you're lucky, or the band's playing. But it's like, well,
Speaker 3: how do you tell a story to people that can't
Speaker 3: understand what you're saying. You have to show them with
Speaker 3: your body and with your face, you know, like like
Speaker 3: and like I say, you know, I hit my chest,
Speaker 3: not so I feel it, but so you feel it.
Speaker 3: You know, when I hit my chest you say al. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't say al, because I hit that chest all
Speaker 3: the time. I hit it and you go, oh shit,
Speaker 3: So it's it's one of those but it's one of
Speaker 3: those things about telling a story that you can't hear
Speaker 3: the word because words are so important to me, They're
Speaker 3: everything to me. And then it kind of hurts your
Speaker 3: feelings when you're like, hey, these people don't know what
Speaker 3: the fun I say. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, when you play a show, because you're you know,
Speaker 2: kind of more established than things and people maybe know
Speaker 2: what to expect, it might be a bit different. But
Speaker 2: when you first started out and you were performing the
Speaker 2: way you were, and you were writing these songs that
Speaker 2: were extremely personable and true and honest and quite raw,
Speaker 2: how did that? Do people get it from the beginning?
Speaker 3: I think so? I think so. I mean there were
Speaker 3: there were snatches of that and the beginning of Future
Speaker 3: or Future Islands, you know. But you know, I'm still like,
Speaker 3: you know, our first EP is still not available because
Speaker 3: I'm kind of still hard on it there, but there
Speaker 3: are there are bits and pieces of that first that
Speaker 3: first record wave like Home, that that bear a lot
Speaker 3: of heart and performed live, we're really raw and visceral,
Speaker 3: but you know, we when we when we switched from
Speaker 3: our first band or Lord and Self Portress, which was
Speaker 3: much more like Craft Working and Joy Division but more
Speaker 3: like New Order inspired to Future Islands. Originally, we we
Speaker 3: kind of went from being a very like emotional dance band,
Speaker 3: kind of like we are now maybe a little bit
Speaker 3: more like europop in a sense, to being a very
Speaker 3: kind of like a synth punk band. You know, because
Speaker 3: our our first drummer we started the band with, he
Speaker 3: didn't know how to play the drums, but he always
Speaker 3: wanted to play the drums, and he was He was
Speaker 3: a really amazing technical metal bassist. But his favorite band
Speaker 3: was The Faint, and so he was he was like
Speaker 3: this big metal head in Greenville where we all went
Speaker 3: to college and started our first bands with, you know,
Speaker 3: art Lord in the Future Islands, and he was always
Speaker 3: front row center, and we thought it was so cool
Speaker 3: that this metal head was like getting down to our music.
Speaker 3: So eventually, when the band broke up, and he'd always
Speaker 3: wanted to play drums for art Lord, he loved art Lord,
Speaker 3: we started a band with him. So he he bought
Speaker 3: like a Simmons you know those hexagonal electronic kits, Yeah yeah,
Speaker 3: and learned to play. But the only way he could
Speaker 3: keep a beat was if he played like one hundred
Speaker 3: and sixty five minute, like he couldn't keep a slow beat.
Speaker 3: And even if you listen to Wave like Home, you like,
Speaker 3: if you listen to Beach Foam, that song definitely wavers
Speaker 3: between like eighty to one hundred and twenty bpm, like
Speaker 3: it speeds up and slows down in the weirds, which
Speaker 3: actually works for the song because it's about the sea,
Speaker 3: you know, so it feels like the ebb and flow
Speaker 3: of waves. But you're kind of like, dude, you gotta
Speaker 3: kind of okay, just get it together a little bit.
Speaker 3: But but Eric, Eric did bring this intensity that I
Speaker 3: think would carry on, you know. I think in a way,
Speaker 3: even with those early struggles with the band and like
Speaker 3: figuring out this new sound, I think he gave He
Speaker 3: definitely gave me something because I never performed with a
Speaker 3: drum kit behind me before. For even if it was electronic, kid,
Speaker 3: it was like I never performed with this other kind
Speaker 3: of propulsive thing. It was always like the guys were
Speaker 3: very chill on stage and I was kind of doing
Speaker 3: my thing. But it was electronic drum beats that were
Speaker 3: just like straightforward and simple, and then and then all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, we have this force of nature behind
Speaker 3: you don't know which way the winds are gonna blow,
Speaker 3: and you're like, oh shit, like he's gone crazy again,
Speaker 3: and then you know so then it kind of it
Speaker 3: added this whole extra propulsion to my dimension as a
Speaker 3: performer that I hadn't really seen before. And I was
Speaker 3: tapping into something very different because art Lord was more
Speaker 3: of a preening like like kind of a very narcissistic
Speaker 3: but but hurt fellow. You know that the character that
Speaker 3: I played, but I was and I was also got
Speaker 3: to be a character with future islands. I had to
Speaker 3: strip away this mask and this identity and be myself
Speaker 3: for the first time on stage, like other than rap
Speaker 3: battles and stuff like that back in the day. All
Speaker 3: of a sudden, I was because in art Lord, I
Speaker 3: would write these sad songs that were about me, but
Speaker 3: I could say it's not about me, it's about the
Speaker 3: art Lord, like I'm not the the isolated figure. I'm
Speaker 3: not the sad figure because to me, like pop and
Speaker 3: rock music was always kind of well, it just didn't
Speaker 3: it never really spoke to me because I didn't feel
Speaker 3: the heart in it, or maybe I thought like when
Speaker 3: I first heard like indie rock stuff my friends were
Speaker 3: listening to in high school when I was just like
Speaker 3: bumping of like hip hop beats and stuff like like
Speaker 3: I just found it to be like whining and crying,
Speaker 3: which is funny because of what I do now, but
Speaker 3: which is whining and crying on But but the thing
Speaker 3: is like I didn't I didn't connect to it because
Speaker 3: I felt that it was like kind of feeble in
Speaker 3: it's in its like emotional grasp, like it didn't touch
Speaker 3: on all the emotions. And I think with what we
Speaker 3: try to do, and what I've tried to do in particular,
Speaker 3: is like really play with the dimensions of like strength
Speaker 3: and vulnerability, like like how you can be I can
Speaker 3: be like a man monster on stage, but but show fragility,
Speaker 3: like like pulling apart oneself, you know, exposing oneself but
Speaker 3: still being whole and in between, and then the song
Speaker 3: ends and you smile to the audience that is this
Speaker 3: the show? Is this? Life is a show?
Speaker 2: The reaction. I don't think I'll ever get tired of
Speaker 2: watching the reaction of David Letterman at the end of
Speaker 2: your when you perform seasons on there, which obviously was
Speaker 2: a big point in the bands in success since. But
Speaker 2: that moment where he comes over and shakes your hand,
Speaker 2: that's the best part of the performance for me. He
Speaker 2: looks genuinely, he is loving it. He's just seen something
Speaker 2: that he's never seen before. And you can really tell,
Speaker 2: like sometimes.
Speaker 3: Well he's seen a million things, he's.
Speaker 2: Seen so many things, and sometimes he kind of he
Speaker 2: always shakes the band's hand, but you can tell when
Speaker 2: he loves them, and you can tell when he just
Speaker 2: is wrapping up the show. Yeah, and he loved it.
Speaker 2: Do you think, like, like watching that clip back the
Speaker 2: and it was your first TV performance, right, the very
Speaker 2: first time you've been on TV, do you think that
Speaker 2: helped you in the sense because you were performing it
Speaker 2: because it was the first time you've been on TV.
Speaker 2: It looked like you performed that track like you would
Speaker 2: have performed it in a club exactly as opposed to
Speaker 2: like in a studio where people once they've done loads
Speaker 2: of TV, you know, they know where all the cameras
Speaker 2: are and they adapt it for a TV show. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, but you didn't do that. You just kind
Speaker 2: of went, this is the song and this is how
Speaker 2: I do it. Do you think that was like that
Speaker 2: that's why it kind of had that the impact that
Speaker 2: it had was because you didn't. You weren't this polished
Speaker 2: band that were used to playing on TV. You were like,
Speaker 2: we're a touring band and we're just happening to be
Speaker 2: on TV right now, and this is it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, well we treated it. I mean, we were nervous,
Speaker 3: but we treated like any other gig. And the thing
Speaker 3: you dnantcy on camera is that that studio is smaller
Speaker 3: then we thought it would be, which was good. Yeah.
Speaker 3: You know it's like a theater, right, yeah, so maybe
Speaker 3: fits like three or four hundred. So so the audience
Speaker 3: isn't actually they are far away from you, but it's
Speaker 3: not too far. But if you watch, you know, I'm
Speaker 3: walking past the monitors out towards the people. I'm actually
Speaker 3: like looking at grandmas who are are like what's happening.
Speaker 3: You know, they have they're not scared, but they have
Speaker 3: like kind of like really kind of amazed looks on
Speaker 3: like what's happening right now? And you know, our friends
Speaker 3: in the audience. You know, I'm looking out to the people.
Speaker 3: And I think that's the big thing about that performance
Speaker 3: was that it wasn't it wasn't insular to a band
Speaker 3: like you're watching a band on TV on the stage, Like,
Speaker 3: but it's it's the connection that we've always had with people,
Speaker 3: to try to connect with people and look at people
Speaker 3: in the eyes, like looking past the cameras, you know,
Speaker 3: because it's because it's not because there's something past behind
Speaker 3: the cameras, you know what I mean? Yeah, but but yeah,
Speaker 3: you know that performance would have been very different if
Speaker 3: it had been three years prior. Not that it wouldn't
Speaker 3: have had the same impact, there's no telling, but but
Speaker 3: the fact that you know, we had at that point,
Speaker 3: we'd played over seven hundred and fifty almost eight hundred
Speaker 3: shows like that shows in that performance, And also we
Speaker 3: aren't the band that was put together and played some
Speaker 3: shows and now is going to get their TV debut
Speaker 3: after putting out their first record. Like we were old
Speaker 3: road dogs who were getting a chance at at sharing
Speaker 3: what we what we do, and so you you know,
Speaker 3: I I mean I was reasoning with myself backstage, like
Speaker 3: am I going to do the things I do on stage?
Speaker 3: Are you going to go for the growl? Are you
Speaker 3: going to hit your chest? You know, like like how
Speaker 3: are you going to approach this? And and you know,
Speaker 3: so there were there were nerves involved and not really
Speaker 3: being sure and even in the you know, I kind
Speaker 3: of blacked out on stage and just was in the performance.
Speaker 3: And that's where you want to be, you know, you
Speaker 3: want to be. You want to be in a place
Speaker 3: where you're not really thinking about if your zipper is
Speaker 3: up or not you're gonna fall over, and that that
Speaker 3: was the beauty of his response was that the song
Speaker 3: ended and in my head, I said, we did it,
Speaker 3: like we got through it, nobody like and this and
Speaker 3: I heard that whoa from the side and that's when
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, like kind of snapped back into it,
Speaker 3: and he had his great response, which like, like I said,
Speaker 3: like even after that performance, we walked off and we're like,
Speaker 3: I think we did good. I think we did good.
Speaker 3: That felt pretty good and had no idea of the
Speaker 3: impact it would have because once again, we were just
Speaker 3: doing what we do every night. And that's been that's
Speaker 3: been the most the funniest thing to it about about
Speaker 3: how that performances has brought such a huge new audience
Speaker 3: to our band as which is good because it's not
Speaker 3: like people people found out about us and then come
Speaker 3: to a show. Even still expecting that that's actually gonna happen. Yeah,
Speaker 3: They're like they come to a show like was that real?
Speaker 3: And then they come to show and see that it's
Speaker 3: actually even more intense and continues to be intense, you know,
Speaker 3: like like that three and a half minutes is only
Speaker 3: a small piece of a larger puzzle, of a bigger
Speaker 3: show and a range of more emotions, you know, And
Speaker 3: so so that was cool. We didn't because it took
Speaker 3: that long to get that moment. We didn't take any
Speaker 3: of the any of the accolades for granted, or the
Speaker 3: the growth for you know. We were just like we
Speaker 3: felt like we earned it naturally instead of through studio tricks.
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't. I didn't wear my wig that night.
Speaker 3: My girdle and my wig is very much me.
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