1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: Conversations on life, style, beauty, and relationships. It's The Velvet's 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: Edge podcast with Kelly Henderson. Okay, my friend and licensed 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: therapist and angiogram informed therapist and coach, Katie gust of 4 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: Sin is here. We were just talking about the fact 5 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: that I've known you for a really long time now 6 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: and I still can't pronounce your last name. You're not alone, 7 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: I can't even pronounce my last name. Well, I initially, 8 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: you've been on the podcast multiple times. I love talking 9 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: about the angiogram, and I love the way you explain it. 10 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: You're a fellow for just like me, and so we 11 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: have a lot to chat about when it comes to 12 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: this stuff. Um. But initially, I really I was like, 13 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: oh my god, I've got to call Katie. This is 14 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: the perfect fit for this month because we're talking about gratitude, 15 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: and so much of your journey lately has really shown 16 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: me this new gratitude within you, um, just for your 17 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: life and health and all these things, because you've just 18 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,639 Speaker 1: finished kind of of overcoming this process of treatment from 19 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: breast cancer, and so I thought, oh my gosh, I 20 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: have to talk to you because health is one of 21 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: the things that I think a lot of us just 22 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: really take for granted and you don't really realize how 23 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: grateful we all need to be on a daily basis 24 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: until something happens, or until you're sick or you know, anything, 25 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: you're struggling with anything physically. Um, so, can you tell 26 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 1: us a little bit about how that journey has just 27 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: changed your perspective with gratitude and life in general. Yeah, 28 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: for sure, And thank you so much for having me. 29 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: This is so fun and perfect timing. Um I, you know, 30 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: it's funny. As I was hearing you talk, it's something 31 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: like dawned on me, and I think I have overall 32 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: become a much more joyful person like since being diagnosed 33 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: with breast cancer, which is so weird to think about, 34 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: the opposite of what my people would think, I would 35 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: imagine totally is I don't know what kicked in me. 36 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it is divine, honestly, I really do. 37 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: I think it's such a grace. But there is something 38 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: so crystallizing about getting a diagnosis like that that presents 39 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 1: you with a choice. And you know, I you know, 40 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: we talked last time about um subtypes and aniogram subtypes, 41 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: and my inniogram subtypes is self preservation or and something 42 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: that kind of identifies that subtype and type is that 43 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: when we are met with suffering, we kind of go 44 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: into this high gear of like it's not that we 45 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: deny the suffering, we just file it away and we 46 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: figure out what we need to do in order to 47 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: get our needs met, hence the self preservation. So it's 48 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: kind of it's it looks more three ish or one ish, 49 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: you know. And I really have seen that that instinct 50 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: that subtype really come alive, you know, because a lot 51 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: of being diagnosed with something scary, you do kind of 52 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: get thrown into survival mode um and it slows things 53 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: down a lot. I mean for me, it's like everything 54 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: became I remember the day after I was diagnosed, I 55 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: went to a wedding with my husband, um Daniel, and 56 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: it was April six of last year, and I just 57 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: remember it was the most fun I had. And I 58 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: remember like getting to just like dance with Daniel at 59 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: this wedding reception and how much that meant to me 60 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: just to just be in the moment. And it's like 61 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: everything kind of slowed down and like was crystallized and 62 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: became a choice essentially, and for for whatever reason, I 63 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: think I really have made a point to err on 64 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: the side of gratitude. Uh, you know, because I do 65 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: have a lot of great things in my life, like 66 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: being in good physical health going into you know, cancer 67 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: treatment is a big deal. You know, having just support, 68 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: having family and friends and of faith and you know, 69 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: so there is just a lot of good that propped 70 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: me up. And I think it just kind of kicked in. 71 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: And can't say that it's any you know, anything I've 72 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: done necessarily. I really do think it is a grace. 73 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 1: But I do think we we have the opportunity and 74 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: the invitation to really um major on the grace that 75 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: we're given. And you know, I think I was thinking 76 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: about talking to you about gratitude, and you know what 77 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: strikes me. I think something that um A reason that 78 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: gratitude is so so important um for us in a 79 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: very authentic sense, is that human beings, by nature are 80 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: wired for survival and primal man. You know, if you 81 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: think about primal man, it was a much different reality 82 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: back then because they were literally, um, fearing for their 83 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: lives a lot of times. So there's this thing that 84 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: humans have called a negativity bias, and it's the way 85 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: our brains are wired, and our brains are always looking 86 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: for the easiest, fastest route to survival. UM. And this 87 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: this has helped human being survive UM over generations, UM, 88 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: over the course of history. It's that's kind of why 89 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: we're here, is that we've had to have this thing 90 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: called a negativity bias to keep us alive and to 91 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: scan for danger. UM. The only kind of the problem 92 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: here is that in modern civilization, thankfully most of us 93 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: have our basic needs met. We're not running from predatory animals, 94 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: were not looking for our next meal, you know, out 95 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: in the jungles, right like so so, but that negativity 96 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: bias is still really baked in to how we move 97 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: throughout our days. And so that is why for you 98 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: and I and for most I think for most of us. UM. 99 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: I've heard it said, um, we are Velcrow for the 100 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: negative and teflon for the positive. Oh my god, that's 101 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: so true, right, So we we are velcrow for the 102 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: things in our life that aren't working and that are 103 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: not you know, all the ways that like there's not 104 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: enough time, there's not enough sleep, there's not enough this 105 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: and that. But then when it comes to kind of 106 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: nurturing and celebrating the positive or we downplay it. And 107 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: that is not just because we're trying to suck at 108 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: being human. It's really because we're wired that way. Um. 109 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: Our neurobiology is wired in such that we have this 110 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: negativity bias. We just over rely on it now in 111 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: a way that is not necessary. And so I don't 112 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: know why I got into that. I think because gratitude 113 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: to is much more than just slapping, you know, slapping 114 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: a positive spin on something. Yeah, um, I think to me, 115 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: it's really more about And this sounds dramatic, but I 116 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: think we can literally use the practice of gratitude to 117 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: help rewire our brains to be more uh aware, um 118 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: and appreciative of the good things that we have in 119 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 1: our lives. Well, I love the way that you're explaining 120 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: that because I think, you know when I Chip and 121 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: I my co host, had talked about this a couple 122 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: of podcasts ago, but just how gratitude can kind of 123 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: get kind of woo woo where people are like, oh, 124 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: just be grateful or do a gratitude list, and then 125 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 1: it's just kind of annoying and it becomes that thing 126 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: that you're like, okay, fine, But the truth is our brains, 127 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: what I heard you just say, are not exactly wired 128 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: to naturally think that way. And so it is a practice. 129 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: That's why they say the practice of attitude just like 130 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 1: anything else that we're doing. Um. So do you as 131 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: a therapist, are there any things that you specifically tell 132 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: clients like as tips or ways to actually incorporate that 133 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: into your practice on a daily basis. Yeah, for sure. 134 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: You know, I think a lot of people, Um, I 135 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: love that gratitude journals have become a thing in the 136 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: last several years. I have a lot of a lot 137 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: of clients that really benefit from those. You know, I'm 138 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: like you, I think we can almost air on the 139 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: side kind of of toxic positivity almost and denial of 140 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: what really is going on in our lives. Um when 141 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: we RUSSI into gratitude. So something that really builds out 142 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: my gratitude practice, and it's something that I do encourage 143 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: a lot a lot when I work with clients. UM 144 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: is this It's this both and approach with gratitude. So 145 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: instead of saying like either or you know, oh it's 146 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: got to be either really crappy or I am so 147 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: grateful for all the things in my life, right now, 148 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: you know, that feels pretty extreme. You know. I like 149 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: to talk about gratitude UM as really nurturing hope in 150 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: our lives. But it's not ignoring the reality of our lives. 151 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: It's not it's saying it's saying, I see, I see 152 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,839 Speaker 1: what is happening right now in my life, and that's hard. 153 00:10:55,960 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: And I'm going to really choose to be thankful for 154 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: the relationships that feel really life giving, for my job 155 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: that feels like it gives me some meaning, you know, 156 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: or my health that is, you know, thriving, you know, 157 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: whatever that is. But I really, I really love this 158 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: idea of gratitude being um both like a thankful a 159 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: thankfulness practice, but also an acceptance practice, because I think 160 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: that way we are able to integrate it into the 161 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: whole of our lives, that of compartmentalizing this is good, 162 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: this is bad. So I love the both and I 163 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: love being able to hold that both and say, you know, yeah, 164 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: this has been a tough year for me UM and 165 00:11:54,640 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: all the cancer treatments and surgeries and gosh, I've I've 166 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 1: got a lot ahead of me that I'm thankful for 167 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: that I am am excited to go get you know, 168 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: it's it's really practicing that both. And but you know, 169 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of you know, a lot of 170 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: people love you know, before they go to bed or 171 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: first thing in the morning, you know, just writing down 172 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: like two or three things that feel um really hopeful 173 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: and that they want to grasp and and and give 174 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: things for. And I love that practical I do too. 175 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: There's something about seeing it written down on a piece 176 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: of paper on your computer or whatever it is that 177 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: I think puts it back in perspective. You know, like 178 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: it's so easy, and I've said this again multiple times 179 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: this month, but it's so easy just to get really 180 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: stuck in the like rat race of life and lose perspective. 181 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: And so whenever my dad's really good about this, like 182 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: he'll text me in the morning and we both he says, 183 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: to be the sun came up, Like there you go. 184 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: One thing that to be grateful for is like it's 185 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 1: a new day. Like no matter what happened yesterday or 186 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 1: what's going to happen tomorrow, today is a new day. 187 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: And we have the sun came up and like we're here, 188 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: we're alive, we're you know, like that's in and of 189 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: itself something to be grateful for so anyway else I 190 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: think really fast. I love, love, love that something that 191 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 1: I also learned because I really love brain science and 192 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: how you know, how the brain just how genius our 193 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 1: brains are. You know, if we can stay with a 194 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: thought like that, like the sun is out, like I've 195 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: got another day. Yeah, for three breaths or eleven seconds. Okay, 196 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: it's how long it takes to make a positive neural 197 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: pathway in your brain. Seriously, seriously, it takes about a 198 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: nanosecond to form a negative one again because we have 199 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: that negative a bias. But that's another thing I really 200 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:08,359 Speaker 1: encourage people to do is to not glaze over their gratitudes, 201 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: to sit in them and to breathe into them and 202 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: to really feel them in your bones and and it 203 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: I mean technically they say three breaths or eleven seconds, 204 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: just be able to sit with something of a gratitude 205 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: that you have, and that is that is where we 206 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: really start to kind of rewire our brains and that 207 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: negativity bias. I'm gonna add that tomorrow morning routina like 208 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: that one. Um. Okay, Well, it wouldn't be a conversation 209 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: between us if we didn't talk about the angiogram, So 210 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: let's talk about I think we decided we were going 211 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: to talk about ways that each number on the angiogram 212 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: gets in their own way when it comes to gratitude, 213 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: because I think it's easy to give people are easy 214 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: for us to find tips anyway, like google gratitude and 215 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: you'll find ways to get it. But what are the 216 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: ways that we inhibit ourselves like that one is probably 217 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: more a little more subconscious and we're not really aware 218 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: we're doing it. So let's talk about those where do 219 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: you want to start do it? But you want to 220 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: start with number one with with type one, Yeah, let's go, 221 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: let's just do it. Uh, this is so fun and 222 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: it gave me a lot of I had a lot of, 223 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: um the creative juices flowing earlier when I was thinking 224 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: about this, and I even reached out to a few people, 225 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: um that were types that I was I didn't want 226 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: to dishonor that type. I really wanted to to do 227 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: them justice. So so I've got some good stuff. I 228 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: hope it's going to be helpful. So I think as 229 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: type ones, you know a lot of people call type 230 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: ones the perfectionist. A lot of people don't like that, 231 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: um as Type ones and really would rather be called 232 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: the improver. And I understand why, but I think that 233 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: Type ones get in their own way, but essentially by 234 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: this this bent towards perfectionism, I think perfectionism really robs 235 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: a lot of all of us, but especially Type ones, 236 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: of of of having gratitude and choosing gratitude, especially that 237 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: really harsh, harsh kind of inner critic that Type ones 238 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: talk about. Uh that is man, what a sham. I 239 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: feel like that really for Type ones is is an obstacle, 240 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: the critic, the inner critic. So basically, like what I 241 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: interpret that to mean would be, if they're in an 242 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: experience and it's not exactly perfect, they're gonna nitpick that 243 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: one part that's not perfect instead of enjoying the experience 244 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: as a whole. Right well, by nature, you know, they're 245 00:16:55,600 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: they're motivating need is to be good, to be eight, 246 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 1: and so everything their focus of attention is constantly looking 247 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: for what is not right okay, to be fixed, whether 248 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 1: that's themselves, the room they're in, another person. You know, Um, 249 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: they they're perfectionists a lot of times, and so um 250 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: that should you know, the you know it should is 251 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: a is a very common word in Type ones vocabulary 252 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: because they're always always grading themselves on, you know, how 253 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: how they're not how they're not measuring up. And so 254 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: if they're always looking at what's you know, what could 255 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: be better? Um that isn't like conflict, like immediate conflict 256 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 1: with like opening up to the space of gratitude. Gratitude 257 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: is seeing what what is there in the moment, right, 258 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: finding joy in any moment kind of thing, right, So 259 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 1: is there a way that a one can is it 260 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: just becoming more aware of that and then trying to 261 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,479 Speaker 1: lay down the critic a little bit? Yeah, I think 262 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: I think ones like I love you know for ones, 263 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: I think if there's a practice, I mean gratitude for sure. 264 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 1: But I think self compassion is one of the most 265 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: important um like practices for Type ones and allowing themselves, 266 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: um some latitude to mess up, but always tell Type 267 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: ones like do something intentionally wrong every day, you know, 268 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: don't make your bed up, yeah, play before you work, 269 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: you know, um, eat eat too many cookies, do something 270 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 1: you know, do something that is considered in your in 271 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: your you know, faculties bad or not not doting air 272 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: quotes with a bad Yeah, sorry, I had to the 273 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 1: things that the rest of us might not even ever 274 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: think about as quote unquote wrong, but that a one 275 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: might nitpick. They're so ethical, they're so responsible, hyper responsible, 276 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: you know, they're so um and they're incredibly excellent at 277 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: whatever they put their hand to at times. So we 278 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 1: love that about them, but it's a it's a harsh 279 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: road a lot of times getting there because they're so 280 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: hard on themselves and as a result others around them. 281 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: And so I think for ones ingratitude, I really think, um, 282 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: it's it's catching themselves in the act of I mean, 283 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: for for all of the types, right, it's catching themselves 284 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: in the act when they are quick to judge. You know, 285 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: it's it's meaning. Okay, so if you're gonna, if you're gonna, 286 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: if you're gonna beat yourself up for this thing in 287 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: in the same breath, give thanks for this one thing 288 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: about yourself. Okay. What about two? I feel like type 289 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: two a lot of times. Their motivating need is this 290 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: need to be needed, right, and it needs to be 291 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: needed in relationship. Their focus of attention is on relationships. 292 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: It's on you know, that that connection with another person 293 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: and protecting that at all costs. So oftentimes being indispensable 294 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: to the people in their lots, in their lives, the 295 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: people that they love. And I think this feeling a 296 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: thing that gets in the way of gratitude gratitude for 297 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: Type twos is often this feeling that they are carrying 298 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: the weight of the world. Um. And also it's this 299 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 1: it's I think they're also quick to abandon themselves for 300 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 1: the sake of the other. Yeah. And so honestly, for 301 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 1: a type two, I think the practice the gratitude practices 302 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: making the focus of attention on themselves and and and 303 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: really putting their needs and their desires you know, top 304 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: of the list, top of the you know, and and 305 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: being thankful when they do that instead of you know, 306 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: I think that can feel kind of indulgent and selfish 307 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: for a Type two, the guilt is my set in right, 308 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: But I think when they are able to I think 309 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: giving thanking, you know, the gratitude, pointing the gratitude back 310 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: to themselves, like thank you for all that you do, um, 311 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: and that moving into that kind of space of um, 312 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: like going inward almost with their gratitude instead of constantly 313 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,160 Speaker 1: being grateful to other people and being grateful for Oh, 314 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: this is such a beautiful day, but like really intentionally 315 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 1: pointing that back to themselves because they do so much 316 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: for the people that they love. Oh yeah, okay, what 317 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 1: about threes. So type threes, I would say dizziness to 318 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,719 Speaker 1: get in the way and that proverbial like to do 319 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: list in general, you know, I think they're so stinking efficient. 320 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: And you know, it's like I always say, they're like 321 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: the Arabian horse of the angiogram. They just work hard 322 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 1: and they look really good doing it. Oh yeah, it's 323 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: so funny because as you're talking, I'm like thinking of 324 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 1: my friends that are each number and you're describing them 325 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: VERBAYIM like literally, I know it's you can't make this 326 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: stuff up. It just so it just is. Um. Yeah, 327 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 1: I think threes in business, I think it's real simple. 328 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 1: For type threes, most most of the limiting parts of 329 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: their personality that they get really hung up in and 330 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 1: stuck in can be reversed by simply slowing down. Simply 331 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: slowing down, you know, and hard for three though. I 332 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: mean my friends that are threes, they have a real 333 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: hard time like either the slowing down or kind of 334 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: like you and I were talking about before the podcast, 335 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: like thinking they're slowing down because for them it's slow, 336 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: but still it's not actually like stopping. Does that make sense? Like, yeah, yeah, going. 337 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: Maybe the trick here is going even above and beyond 338 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 1: what you consider if you're a three listening what you 339 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,199 Speaker 1: consider to be quote unquote slowing down like something that 340 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: would make me feel even borderline lazy. You know, No, 341 00:23:55,960 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: I think you're so dead on, so dead on, you know. 342 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: I think two, you know, threes have really high expectations 343 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: of themselves, much like yeah, yeah, and learning to lower 344 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: those expectations is I think very conducive alongside slowly down, 345 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: you know, really simplifying, And it's those expectations. I think 346 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: there's a lot of life in that in terms of 347 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: like connecting to more gratitude for a three. Yeah, that 348 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,360 Speaker 1: makes total sense to me. And I also can see 349 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: the struggle there because like my best friends at three 350 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: and so I see she is the most efficient and good, 351 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: looks good while she's doing it person that I know, like, 352 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: you couldn't have said that better, and it's really extremely 353 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: hard for her to stop or like I'll be like, well, 354 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: why don't you just take you know, take some time, 355 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 1: and she's like, well, I did I did, you know, 356 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: But it's like in my head, I look at it, 357 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, that was time to you. You feel rested 358 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 1: after that? Yeah, it's so, it's so true. Yeah, it's 359 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: so true. I mean, yeah, it's they are on a 360 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: whole different warp speed. Oh yeah, for sure. So for 361 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: them slowing down to take the time to really take 362 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: it in and soak it in. Yeah, yeah, that makes 363 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: total sense. And really I think kind of lowering expectation 364 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: and you know, remembering your human Yeah yeah, yeah, remembering 365 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: your human absolutely. And I think what happens in the 366 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: end is they end up being you know, exponentially more 367 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: efficient in the end. True, Yeah, because I do think 368 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 1: gratitude is one of those things. I mean, stress is 369 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: a killer. I mean it's like stress is not good 370 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,640 Speaker 1: for your health. Stress, you know, multitasking is not really 371 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 1: great for you. And I think when threes can slow 372 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 1: down and do one thing, one thing at a time, 373 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: and and do it, you know, and then focus on 374 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: quality and you know, just really lesson that expectation of 375 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: themselves too, you know, be doing eight different things, you know, 376 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: extremely you know, so um so yeah, I think gratitude 377 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 1: looks like really dialing dialing back in a lot of 378 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: areas for threes. Okay, what about fours? We are both 379 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 1: fours here, Yes we are. Well, I'm curious what would 380 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 1: you say? What would you say? Because I've got some ideas, 381 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 1: but would you say kind of hinders you from your 382 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,479 Speaker 1: own gratitude practice, just focusing on the negative, like the 383 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 1: one thing that if like, for instance, if I post 384 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,120 Speaker 1: something on Instagram and I get all this positive feedback, 385 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: but I get one negative thing. The thing I remember 386 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: is the negative, and I can get kind of stuck 387 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: there sometimes and it inhibits me because then I don't 388 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: want to put myself out there again, you know, like 389 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,199 Speaker 1: it could really that one comment or negative whatever it 390 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: was feedback that I got, could make me not want 391 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: to do it again instead of focusing on weight, but 392 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: it worked in all these other ways, like I just 393 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: get stuck in the negativity and and maybe even sadness sometimes, 394 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 1: Like it's like I feel things really big, and so 395 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: if I feel a hard feeling, like I can get 396 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: a little stuck there sometimes And I don't know if 397 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 1: that's me or just a four, But no, I think 398 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 1: that's so brilliant, and I resonate, we're so comfortable in melancholy. 399 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 1: We just swim around in it, you know, we just 400 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 1: lap it up. And it's the weirdest thing. Like someone's 401 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,959 Speaker 1: been pointing that out to me lately. Um, it based 402 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: more on my my astrological chart, but it lies. All 403 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 1: of it lines up. But like, why would we want 404 00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 1: that it wants to be sad? That sounds terrible. Well, 405 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: I think when it's in balance, I think it's a 406 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: really beautiful thing because I think, you know, fors really 407 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: connect the rest of the world to deep meaning and beauty. Yeah, 408 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: that is true, and so I think there needs to 409 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: be that agility and within all emotions. I think what 410 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: happens is when it gets out of when it gets 411 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: out of balance, is when we're a little too comfortable 412 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: in the melancholy. You know about so many like gorgeous 413 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: sad songs and poetry and paintings and you know, just 414 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: some of the you know, most prolific artists have I 415 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: think a lot of times been type fours. I mean 416 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: I think a lot of I mean, I'm not saying 417 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: other types can't be artistic. That's not what I'm saying here. 418 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: But what I what I am saying is I think 419 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: there is an accessibility that fors how of two darker 420 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: emotions that can allow other can evoke really deep emotion 421 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: from art UM. And I think I think that like 422 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: you do that in a lot of different ways, you know, UM, 423 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: as an artist, as you know a host, as you 424 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: know just as a communicator. UM. I think that that 425 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: get that that part of you, that melancholy part of you, 426 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: just gives you a lot of empathy for the world 427 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: and it really does connect you to this deep sense 428 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: of kind of um like beauty and meaning and pathos 429 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: almost I do. I recently have had multiple friends say 430 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: to me UM that I'm very calming and they called 431 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: my friends are like, I'm the one they call when 432 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: they're dark or sad or going through something painful and 433 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: they open up about it. And it is because I think, 434 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: I'm so comfort rble and like those emotions do not 435 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: scare me one bit, and I'm always able to sit 436 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: with other people in that too, UM. And for me, 437 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: one of the positives of that skill set is that 438 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: also I feel like if you can feel truly feel 439 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: the maybe heavier, more melancholy feelings, then you can also 440 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: really feel the gratitude and the joy in an even 441 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: bigger capacity because you're so comfortable with both, Like it's 442 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: like the dark and the light, the shadow and the sun, 443 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: you know, like being able to sit in both. I 444 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: didn't realize not everyone does that, Like I thought that's 445 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: how we all were. Yeah, oh that's so beautifully, said Kelly. 446 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: You you nailed it. Yes, And I think that that 447 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: is the blessing and the curse for fors as it gratitude, 448 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: because you know, it's like for me going through cancer, 449 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: it I all of a sudden had this deep ache 450 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 1: of what I had been given, you know, knowing what 451 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: could be taken away, and that was just like this 452 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: Hale pass, big hall pass for gratitude. And I think 453 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: that fors I think that gets in the way though. 454 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: I think of this fixation very much like Type ones. 455 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: You know, that's it's that longing. I think a lot 456 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: of Type fours just have this kind of pervasive longing, 457 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: like longing for something, some someone, something, some situation to 458 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: redeem them and like what I'm lacking. Yeah, yeah, there's 459 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: a there's like you said, there's a focus on what's 460 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: lacking um at the moment, and so I think that 461 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: can be that can really get in the way of gratitude. 462 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: So I do feel that, you know, holding that dark 463 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: and light, holding the both and for type fours where 464 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: I think we can do that pretty well. Yeah, it's 465 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: just being aware, like you said, so you don't get 466 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: stuck or like get too hard, too hardcore into one 467 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: emotion all the time. Um, okay, what about fives. I 468 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: have a feeling I have a hunch on numb two. Okay, Um, well, 469 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: here's here's my guess. Because of the fives that I 470 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: know is they're just so in their head all the time, 471 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: like over analyzing everything, over processing, and that to me 472 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 1: makes it difficult to be in the moment. And so 473 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: like I would just imagine that they would be difficult 474 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: or that could get in a way of gratitude too, 475 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: because you're like looking for every little thing to nitpick 476 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: out of a situation versus just being present and what's good. 477 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: That's again, I love it. I think that is so true. Um, 478 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: I think you you're spot on. You know it. Gratitude. 479 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: It's like when I think when we're in our heads 480 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: a lot of time, like the emotion that's very much 481 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:03,959 Speaker 1: tied to being in our heads somewhere out there is anxiety, 482 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: you know, and like the kind of five sixes and 483 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: sevens or the head types. And they're in the kind 484 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 1: of the fear triad. Um there in the head triad, 485 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: the thinking triad, but the fear is their go to emotion. 486 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: So I think you're right. I think fear and being 487 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: so in. I mean, they their their their minds. I 488 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: mean they're they're incredibly innovative, brilliant people a lot of 489 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: times who really tend to be way up in their 490 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: head all the time. That's like their their mental domain 491 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: is just like their prize possession. Um. I would add 492 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: to that scarcity, I wouldn't think about that. Yeah, fives 493 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: are fives are all about kind of hoovering up their resources, 494 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: being self sufficient, um. And I think in doing so, 495 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: they can oftentimes, um, really operate out of a place 496 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 1: of lack. Yeah. And I mean gratitude is largely about 497 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,760 Speaker 1: again abundance, and so abundance is probably a dirty word 498 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: forfy Oh. I think their their their whole focus of 499 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: attention is like how can I gain mastery over all 500 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: the things so that I don't need anybody out there 501 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: to to kind of fill in the gaps, right like 502 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 1: that makes total sense. So yeah, I think being up 503 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 1: in their heads, I think that that sense of scarcity 504 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 1: that kind of can separate them from a feeling of 505 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: gratitude what's really good and overflowing in their life. What 506 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,399 Speaker 1: about a six? Because the six are our warriors, right 507 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: like they hyper vigilant a little bit. What does the 508 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:08,959 Speaker 1: six called a loyal loyalist and the loyal skeptics often time? Yeah, yeah, 509 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, I mean you're you're onto it 510 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:18,919 Speaker 1: because I think they are the core head type right there, 511 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: smacked ab in the middle five, six and seven. They're 512 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: right in the middle there um negativity and fear. Absolutely, 513 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: you know, I think for a type six, the growth 514 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 1: path is really too develop a spiritual kind of faith practice, 515 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 1: not a religious practice, but something that is going to 516 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: really develop a sense of faith in something bigger. Um. 517 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: You know. Six is focus of attention. They're always scanning 518 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 1: um two you know, to to to to know and 519 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: to identify what could go wrong. Um. You know, they're 520 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 1: incredible strategists, right like analysts. They're very much like always 521 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 1: looking for what could go wrong. You know, they're the 522 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 1: boy scouts of the angiogram. They have like their you know, 523 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: their backpacks and they're you know, their their survival kits 524 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: and like two of everything, right, Um, And I think, yeah, 525 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:28,400 Speaker 1: there's because that is the focus of their attention. Um, 526 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:36,840 Speaker 1: gratitude is does not really you know, doesn't feel very 527 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: natural in that attention. I think it really probably of 528 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: all the types, I would say sixes have to maybe 529 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 1: work the hardest gratitude practice. I could see that, honestly. Yeah, 530 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,319 Speaker 1: they tend to be kind of I mean a lot 531 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: of people will describe them as as being negative and 532 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 1: they will correct you and say, I'm not negative. I'm 533 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 1: just realistic. I'm a realist. I have a I have 534 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: two friends who are six is, and we will butt 535 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,959 Speaker 1: heads a lot of times. Um. And it's interesting because 536 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 1: I just explain to you that I can get stuck 537 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 1: in the low emotions, but my six friends. Maybe it's 538 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 1: that I don't want to go there so often in 539 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 1: like the worrying and over thinking the situation, like it 540 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 1: can get really draining if you get and so I 541 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: don't want to get stuck there, and so I'll be like, no, 542 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: but we got to be positive. And like you said, 543 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 1: they're like, but this is reality. So yeah, I mean that. 544 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 1: But I'm like, can we enjoy life my six is 545 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 1: let's go h It's true. I mean we I say, 546 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,360 Speaker 1: you know, everybody needs a six and a seven in 547 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 1: your life their life. Amen. At the same time, that 548 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 1: would be interesting, right well, speaking of sevens, I mean 549 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 1: sevens love so yeah, I think sevens may have the 550 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 1: the most natural experience with gratitude. Maybe of all the types. 551 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but I do know that sevens are 552 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:21,480 Speaker 1: so quick to reframe, you know, their their whole their 553 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 1: whole m O is to avoid pain, and so gratitude 554 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 1: is a great way to promote um, positive feelings and 555 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:37,279 Speaker 1: higher emotions. And they're very They're idealistic people, and so 556 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,799 Speaker 1: you know, I think, like you and I were talking 557 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,359 Speaker 1: about before we kind of dove into the types, this 558 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 1: idea of toxic positivity, I think sevens maybe too quick 559 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:54,280 Speaker 1: to deny the some of the stark realities of life 560 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,439 Speaker 1: and may move too quickly into gratitude. Sometimes that would 561 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,839 Speaker 1: the six Yeah, totally the opposite, right, Like, so I 562 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:07,719 Speaker 1: think for seven I think this this balance, this this 563 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 1: kind of sitting in the tension of like, yeah, we 564 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,719 Speaker 1: do want to give thanks for all it's amazing and 565 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,120 Speaker 1: great in our lives, and we also need to hold 566 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 1: the gravity of you know the realities of some of 567 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 1: the darker parts and some of the less sparkly parts 568 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 1: of life, you know, bringing both together. Uh, so that 569 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:39,840 Speaker 1: there's not a real kind of sense of again of 570 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: avoiding and not accepting, um, just the reality that life 571 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 1: is hard and suffering as a part of it. Right, 572 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 1: it's crazy. Okay, So what about an eight are challengers? Um? 573 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 1: You know, I think eight there focuses on power and 574 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 1: string an impact, so leave these kind of softer, squishier um, 575 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:13,480 Speaker 1: things like gratitude largely out of the picture, out of 576 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 1: you know. It's I think it's harder for an eight 577 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 1: to connect to gratitude, um, because that may may feel 578 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 1: a little bit vulnerable. Um. It's don't like to feel vulnerable. 579 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 1: It's like to feel in charge and strong and in control. Um. 580 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 1: And you know, gratitude kind of connects them to some 581 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 1: of the softer parts of them that may feel a 582 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:48,759 Speaker 1: little too little. Yeah yeah, um, I do think. I 583 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,279 Speaker 1: but I think eights are big feelers. Um. That is 584 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 1: so true. But they don't let you know, like I 585 00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 1: have a lot of aids in my life, and hilarious 586 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 1: the four because I'm like the feeler, um, but they 587 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,919 Speaker 1: come to me, and it's funny because I just think 588 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,920 Speaker 1: they did. At first, I think with all of the 589 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 1: people I'm thinking of, I didn't think they felt emotion. 590 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 1: I'm just like they are just like action oriented go getters, 591 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:21,480 Speaker 1: like hardcore. But ultimately what ends up happening is like 592 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,040 Speaker 1: I'm able to sit with them and they're able to 593 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,719 Speaker 1: finally open up, even though I can tell it makes 594 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,560 Speaker 1: them uncomfortable, but I've realized, like, no, actually, they feel 595 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,600 Speaker 1: things just as deeply, if not more deeply than the 596 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,600 Speaker 1: rest of us, but or as equally as the rest 597 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,320 Speaker 1: of us, but they just don't show it as often 598 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:45,359 Speaker 1: because it's too vulnerable. Yeah. Oh yes, absolutely every bit 599 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,919 Speaker 1: of that's so true. Uh, And it's such an It's 600 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,960 Speaker 1: such a beautiful thing. I think when an eight an 601 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,120 Speaker 1: integrated eight. What really connects to that innocence and that 602 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,759 Speaker 1: you know, that childlike part of them that's often part 603 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,359 Speaker 1: of them. You know, it's like, yeah, like you said, 604 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,719 Speaker 1: they're so action oriented, but when they really harness they're 605 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:14,759 Speaker 1: the power of that softness that they have, it just 606 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:20,239 Speaker 1: becomes they become even more of a worse. Yeah, I 607 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,600 Speaker 1: agree with that fully. Okay, then what about our nine 608 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 1: are peacemakers? You know, nines. I love nine so much, 609 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:32,600 Speaker 1: so much, how much I'm married one. They're just so great. 610 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,520 Speaker 1: But I mean, I will say the thing I think 611 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,759 Speaker 1: that that slow This is funny what I'm saying right 612 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:44,440 Speaker 1: now slows nines down when it comes to gratitude. I 613 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:48,120 Speaker 1: feel like nines just move a little bit to a 614 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,040 Speaker 1: different they move to a different beat. They just they 615 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,520 Speaker 1: have a slower not all nines, but kind of like 616 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:59,880 Speaker 1: the stereotypical nine um tends to have a slower pace. 617 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:04,640 Speaker 1: And you know, I think they are not numbing out 618 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:09,560 Speaker 1: I will say numbing laziness, and not physically laziness all 619 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:13,520 Speaker 1: the time, but just laziness to connect to their own 620 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:19,120 Speaker 1: self development and their own spirituality. I think gets in 621 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,919 Speaker 1: the way of type nine in terms of gratitude. That's 622 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,600 Speaker 1: an interesting balance between a four and a nine in 623 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,640 Speaker 1: a marriage, I would imagine, because you as a four. 624 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,200 Speaker 1: I mean the fours that I know are very like 625 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:36,680 Speaker 1: driven for self improvement. Like it's like a constant thing. 626 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,839 Speaker 1: I know, I am like constantly thinking about like how 627 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,479 Speaker 1: to find more awareness within myself or self growth or 628 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,400 Speaker 1: any sort of practice that I can incorporate into my 629 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,680 Speaker 1: life that, like my friends say, almost to a fault, 630 00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:54,120 Speaker 1: I do that. Then a nine it sounds like the opposite. 631 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,840 Speaker 1: That's interesting. I guess you balance each other out. Yes, 632 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,720 Speaker 1: it definitely does. It's a great balance, and I've seen 633 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:06,359 Speaker 1: a lot of incredible for nine partnerships. That makes sense 634 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:10,160 Speaker 1: to me. I think it's a good balance. Um, but yeah, 635 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,880 Speaker 1: I mean I do. I think that just sense of 636 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,440 Speaker 1: like that inner laziness. Um, they say, you know, the 637 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,799 Speaker 1: kind of the passion or their pitfall of type nines 638 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:23,640 Speaker 1: and narketization, so using you know whatever to them out 639 00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,400 Speaker 1: just to kind of maintain this like really you know, 640 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:34,120 Speaker 1: harmonious experience all about you know, keeping the peace. You know. Again, 641 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,440 Speaker 1: their focus of attention is on others as well. So 642 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:42,800 Speaker 1: I think that just that sense of inner laziness, and 643 00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:49,160 Speaker 1: that's a slowness to kind of connect to their own 644 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,560 Speaker 1: self development, their own spiritual development. And I believe that 645 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,279 Speaker 1: gratitude is very much a spiritual practice, and I do 646 00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:00,600 Speaker 1: think that that gets in the way of of their 647 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:05,120 Speaker 1: own practice gratitude practice. Interesting, I would have never thought 648 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:09,640 Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, Um, well, we forgot to mention this earlier, 649 00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,560 Speaker 1: but you have started a program called The Practice where 650 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,040 Speaker 1: if anyone's listening and you're as obsessed with the angiogram 651 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,759 Speaker 1: as I am, um Katie really developed this program that 652 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:24,840 Speaker 1: helps you to integrate anyiogram practices into your daily life. 653 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,799 Speaker 1: Can you kind of describe what you guys do with 654 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:31,280 Speaker 1: the Practice? Yes, I would love to. It's it's my baby, 655 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,040 Speaker 1: I love it. I started it two years ago. UM 656 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:38,040 Speaker 1: and basically it is a an angiogram based self care 657 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,160 Speaker 1: tool kit that it's a it's a membership program, a 658 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:46,319 Speaker 1: monthly membership program, and UM it is a storehouse of 659 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,240 Speaker 1: inniogram tools that you can put into your everyday life. 660 00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,359 Speaker 1: Every single week, there is a new UM, a new 661 00:45:53,400 --> 00:46:00,239 Speaker 1: angiogram teaching that's posted. There's a new UM meditation that's inniograms. 662 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:05,560 Speaker 1: There's also daily journal prompts. There is a monthly group 663 00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:11,000 Speaker 1: coaching UM session that's really fun that's on Zoom. There's 664 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,440 Speaker 1: expert interviews every month from people in the wellness and 665 00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,960 Speaker 1: aniogram world, and there's also yoga yoga flows on there 666 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,920 Speaker 1: that you can use. Yeah. So it's just this really 667 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:28,200 Speaker 1: holistic way of practicing self care, having accountability for your 668 00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:35,520 Speaker 1: self care but really also UM, developing your your aniogram 669 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:39,200 Speaker 1: type and really learning about it. Yeah. Well, and that 670 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,840 Speaker 1: kind of actually is the perfect segue into the self 671 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,160 Speaker 1: care workshop, which is something that you're putting on in 672 00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:49,160 Speaker 1: February February in Nashville, UM, which is actually sounds a 673 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,920 Speaker 1: little bit like an in person version of what you 674 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,279 Speaker 1: just described with the practice. So tell us a little 675 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,440 Speaker 1: bit about this workshop. It totally is. Uh. Yeah, I 676 00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,200 Speaker 1: love that. I love you pointed out it is. It 677 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,000 Speaker 1: is my favorite thing that I get to do professionally. 678 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,319 Speaker 1: I we did UM so myself. I will host the 679 00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:13,239 Speaker 1: event UM. I'll have two ladies joining me, both of 680 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,760 Speaker 1: which you know UM and author and writing coach Ali 681 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:21,920 Speaker 1: Fallon and a yoga instructor and speaker cool A Callahan. 682 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,920 Speaker 1: To my dear friends, this is our second time to 683 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:30,040 Speaker 1: do this. It's a day of angiogram exploration. So I'll 684 00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,000 Speaker 1: be teaching the angiogram in the morning and in the 685 00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:37,840 Speaker 1: afternoon we will practice yoga together. We'll learn how mindful 686 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:42,840 Speaker 1: movement is such a powerful force in terms of healing, 687 00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:50,320 Speaker 1: healing ourselves from trauma and really using mindful movement UM 688 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,359 Speaker 1: in a way that connects us to greater self Care 689 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,040 Speaker 1: will also hear from Ali in the afternoon. She's going 690 00:47:56,080 --> 00:48:02,560 Speaker 1: to teach about writing as a transformational healing practice, and um, 691 00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,960 Speaker 1: we're going to wrap things up with a dance party 692 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:09,799 Speaker 1: at the very end. Um, do as you do with 693 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,680 Speaker 1: the ladies. Should do. Yes, it's just you'll leave there. 694 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,680 Speaker 1: The best thing about it is you leave this day 695 00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:23,560 Speaker 1: with a personalized self care plan for your indiogram type um, 696 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,600 Speaker 1: and a lot of tools, and a lot of support 697 00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,520 Speaker 1: and a lot of new relationships. I've had so many 698 00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,000 Speaker 1: people tell me like, oh, I met one of my 699 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:37,400 Speaker 1: best friends at Self Care Workshop Sang and we just 700 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,680 Speaker 1: we just have we have a blast founds amazing. I'm 701 00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,160 Speaker 1: going to try to come because I really love all 702 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,160 Speaker 1: of these things. But tell people where they combine tickets 703 00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,560 Speaker 1: if they're interested or this would be a great excuse 704 00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,800 Speaker 1: to come to Nashville for a weekend to do this 705 00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,319 Speaker 1: and go explore Nashville. It is. I've got I've got 706 00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:58,439 Speaker 1: some clients flying in for this specific thing. Um. Oh 707 00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,080 Speaker 1: in early early ber rates are going to go through 708 00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:05,879 Speaker 1: cyber Monday. I will say that. Yeah, yeah, So go 709 00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:10,279 Speaker 1: to the Self Care Workshop dot com. Okay, you can 710 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,759 Speaker 1: register right there. The Self Care Workshop dot com. I'll 711 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,000 Speaker 1: put that also in the description of this podcast. And 712 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:18,880 Speaker 1: then what if people just want to keep up with you. 713 00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,880 Speaker 1: I know you post a lot about the Indiogram on 714 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,960 Speaker 1: your Instagram and you have an amazing website, so tell 715 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,040 Speaker 1: people where they can find you. Yeah, I really do 716 00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:32,000 Speaker 1: like to connect on Instagram. My handle is at Katie 717 00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:37,359 Speaker 1: gustupson dot co and um you can DM me if 718 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,960 Speaker 1: you're into the indiogram if you want to do some 719 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:44,440 Speaker 1: of this work um together. I love that. If I 720 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,920 Speaker 1: could point you to any other resources, My um my 721 00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:52,080 Speaker 1: website is also Katie gustupson dot co um, so those 722 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,920 Speaker 1: are probably the best places to connect. Also put that 723 00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,400 Speaker 1: in the description of this podcast. Katie. Thank you. I 724 00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,440 Speaker 1: mean I'm putting this podcast out the day before Thanksgiving 725 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,400 Speaker 1: so I can think of a better way for everyone 726 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,359 Speaker 1: to learn about gratitude and ways we get in our 727 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,239 Speaker 1: own way. That is that's like such a poor thing, 728 00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,360 Speaker 1: I'm sure, but I'm fascinated by that. Love it. Yeah, No, 729 00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:18,440 Speaker 1: I'm so there. Thanks Thank you for helping us, and 730 00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:20,719 Speaker 1: you guys go check out Katie's work and go sign 731 00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,480 Speaker 1: up for the workshop, come come see us, and happy 732 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,560 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving everyone. Gosh, I cannot believe it's here. It's crazy. 733 00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:30,920 Speaker 1: All right, Well, we'll talk again. Thank you guys so 734 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,600 Speaker 1: much for listening. Thanks for listening to The Velvet's Edge 735 00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,759 Speaker 1: podcast with Kelly Henderson, where we believe everyone has a 736 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,200 Speaker 1: little velvet and a little edge. Subscribe for more conversations 737 00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:44,520 Speaker 1: on life, style, beauty and relationships. Search Velvet's Edge wherever 738 00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:45,600 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts.